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May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?Thanks for your feedback! I will definitely take your suggestion under consideration.As far as R5 goes I don't think I'll do it just because i personally don't like the look and feel.Show Image(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)
I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.
Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
Consider changing the font color in the ic, can't read it using gh light theme. :)
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?Show Image(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)
I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.
Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
This is a beautiful set. I feel like the alphas letterings are a bit too bright. It almost looks like peaches and cream if I didnt know any better. I'd say use the dark red from the mods for the letterings on the alphas. See what that look like.
I agree with Lightning's suggestion not to use double-Latin alpha legends, I think just having the greek sub legends is the less worse option. I would also include them in the base kit because I think it's such a huge selling and thematic feature of this excellent set.
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?
I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.
Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
QUESTION: did GMK actually make the correct mold for the W/ς key? AFAIR (though I could be wrong), back when the Greek Olivetti set was in the design stage, they did NOT have it (and had the very, very incorrect W/Ç keycap mold instead). If this IC goes to GB, this NEEDS to be tended to, so as not to hit buyers (either Greeks, or with OCD, or Greeks with OCD) with an unpleasant surprise.
Speaking of the Greek legends, once this gets farther along, you should double-check with GMK to make sure they're done properly. There are issues with the shapes of Θ, Ψ, Ω, Σ and ς in Cherry's original molds. In fact, all of the original Greek legends could use a bit of tweaking (for example, the Δ and Λ are a tad wider than they should be).
Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing `¬ 2" 3£ keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.
Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing `¬ 2" 3£ keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.…
Also, the most correct R4 key for “ISO-US” would actually be <>| (the | being a sublegend).
I disagree here. While the old terminal keyboards indeed had < > in the R4 key between (short) left Shift and Z, the "US ISO" standard calls for either that key or the R3 on the side of ISO Enter to have the \ and | symbols. On "proper" ISO keyboards, you can have the R3 key to be \| and the R4 key to be <> without fuss, but on ISANSI hybrid keyboards, this presents a problem; that is why there needs to be an R4 \| key (now, if the <> key can be tacked on, as well, better, but \| the key needs to be present).
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?I'd buy a set if you made these changes. I love the colour scheme and concept, but the duplicate legends and lack of R5 are dealbreakers for me.Show Image(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)
I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.
Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
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Also, I don't get this part: “on ISANSI hybrid keyboards, this presents a problem; that is why there needs to be an R4 \| key”. Why does it present a problem? I think you can have \| on R3 and <>| on R4, no problem at all. I don't think ISO–ANSI hybrid keyboards that have split LShift but no ISO Enter are all that common.
I'd say that the R3 key should be \| since it's just moving there from it's usual R2 1.5u spot because of the different Enter shape. And I don't think many people would disagree with me. As for the R4 key, if you don't want duplicate keys (and if you want to be “proper” per the image above), put <>| there; otherwise, \| is fine too.
- ISANSI: 1.25U left Shift (+ 1U alpha) & 2.25U horizontal Enter (common in cheap-ass keyboards and some Chinese clones).So pretty much what I said: almost no boards that could benefit from custom keycaps use that layout.
HOWEVER... on some compact keyboards (sub-TKL), the Backspace is split into two and the R2 1.5 key made into an HHKB-style Backspace key (meaning that the R4 \| key is the only one of the two \| keys that can be used).And in that case, the \| key would most commonly be found on R1, above the 1.5u Backspace. The R1 \| is included in virtually all sets.
In a nutshell, what we are proposing for ISO support on the base kit is simply to add four keys there: (mod-colored) ISO Enter key, 1.25U left Shift key, and both R3 and R4 \| keys, so maximum compatibility for US ISO can be achieved (UK support, which requires five further keys, should be not part of the base kit, but part of an international kit, like NORDEUK). An R4 <>| key could be added as well, if the designer should want it so.And that's what I'm proposing as well, absolutely — except, I'm saying that the ISANSI edge case is so obscure that it's not worth considering, and it's pretty much up to the designer whether they want to have a R4 \| or R4 <>| key. In terms of technical correctness, <>| is more appropriate, but, again, it should be down to preference. For example, this set and Oblivion went with \|, Firefly chose to go with <>|.
QUESTION: did GMK actually make the correct mold for the W/ς key? AFAIR (though I could be wrong), back when the Greek Olivetti set was in the design stage, they did NOT have it (and had the very, very incorrect W/Ç keycap mold instead). If this IC goes to GB, this NEEDS to be tended to, so as not to hit buyers (either Greeks, or with OCD, or Greeks with OCD) with an unpleasant surprise.
Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing `¬ 2" 3£ keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.
Awesome to hear this, ISO UK keys mean a lot to me :DBesides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing `¬ 2" 3£ keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.I will release an update soon with fixes in the kits and some more renders.Thanks for your feedback!
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.
you make me sadAs for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.
I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.
you make me sad
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.
I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.
I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.
Has someone every made a comparison for that ? Whats the real price difference with adding these keys?
A small update:Not so keen on sublegends, but probably not a deal breaker for me.
So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.
The base kit is now featuring the mixed greek legends (please ingnore the barred keys in the render)Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/3R7FLYj4/Kit-Base-Greek.jpg)
Now that means that i can cut down on kits making MOQ much easier to hit across everything.That said i know that these legends are not everyones cup of tea so i'd like to request that you take the time to
tell me what you prefer here:
https://www.strawpoll.me/18406295
A small update:
So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.
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…i'd like to request that you take the time to tell me what you prefer here:
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May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?Show Image(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)
I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.
Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
There's not much point in having 1800 compat (R1 End, PgDn) separate from the numpad. Please move it to the numpad kit.
Your TKL mod legends are a bit inconsistent (PrtSc yet Pause/Break, Scroll Lock etc.). I suggest going with Print, Scroll, Pause, Caps, Num for a uniform one-line look across the board. These legends also fit the set's name better imo: Spartan — something that is simple, austere and very straight to the point.
Personally, I'd also remove the stepped R3 Control as I think having the non-stepped version is enough.
Finally, consider adding extended 65% compat (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn) to the base kit for all of us 65%/75% users who like different right columns or use split Backspace.
There's not much point in having 1800 compat (R1 End, PgDn) separate from the numpad. Please move it to the numpad kit.
Your TKL mod legends are a bit inconsistent (PrtSc yet Pause/Break, Scroll Lock etc.). I suggest going with Print, Scroll, Pause, Caps, Num for a uniform one-line look across the board. These legends also fit the set's name better imo: Spartan — something that is simple, austere and very straight to the point.
Personally, I'd also remove the stepped R3 Control as I think having the non-stepped version is enough.
Finally, consider adding extended 65% compat (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn) to the base kit for all of us 65%/75% users who like different right columns or use split Backspace.
All of this still stands. Moving R1 End, PgDn to the numpad kit and adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to the base kit in their place especially makes a lot of sense.
And yes, drop the faux ISO-UK support (R3 '@, #~) and add a R3 \| instead.
orrr add real ISO UK support (R1 `¬, 2", 3£) ;) ;)
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.
All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.
All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.
All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.
All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:
Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?Show Image(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)
I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.
Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
I agree with Lightning in not using double Latin-legends. I think this way looks much cleaner and more interesting.
+1 to R5 as well
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.
Unfortunately a spacebar kit will not be a thing most likely,it would make the number of kits pretty high making it signifcantly harder to hit moq in all of them
Another update
After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits
Updated kits
[...]
There have been a fair amount of changes here
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.
Another update
After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits
Updated kits
[...]
There have been a fair amount of changes here
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.
+1 to all of these changes. You're almost there. A few things still seem “off” to me, so I'll list them here:
- What bothers me the most is that Pause↲Break legend. It really has no place in this set. There's no SysRq legend under the PrtSc key, so why should there be a Break legend under Pause? Please be a sweetheart and remove it :)
- On a related note, have you considered replacing Caps↲Lock, Scroll↲Lock, Num↲Lock with just Caps, Scroll, Num? I believe I've said this before, but I think it'll look cleaner, and also fit the set's core idea of spartan austerity better. (In that case you should probably also use Print instead of PrtSc.)
- I agree with the others about ISO compatibility: R3 #~ should be replaced with R3 \|.
- I don't see a barred homing 5 in the numpad kit; you may want to add it.
- Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.
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Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.
These are definitely some helpful notes and i will take them under consideration.To answer your last point i don't believe a 6u spacebar is required to have those keys you mentioned.I for one use the stepped control whenever it's available in a set and
i think the 2u shift is required in some 60% layouts that use a 6.25u spacebar (gk64 etc) so it's nice to have.
What base colors are the alphas?Is it written somewhere? What base color are the alphas?
Another update
After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits
Updated kits
[...]
There have been a fair amount of changes here
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.
+1 to all of these changes. You're almost there. A few things still seem “off” to me, so I'll list them here:
- What bothers me the most is that Pause↲Break legend. It really has no place in this set. There's no SysRq legend under the PrtSc key, so why should there be a Break legend under Pause? Please be a sweetheart and remove it :)
- On a related note, have you considered replacing Caps↲Lock, Scroll↲Lock, Num↲Lock with just Caps, Scroll, Num? I believe I've said this before, but I think it'll look cleaner, and also fit the set's core idea of spartan austerity better. (In that case you should probably also use Print instead of PrtSc.)
- I agree with the others about ISO compatibility: R3 #~ should be replaced with R3 \|.
- I don't see a barred homing 5 in the numpad kit; you may want to add it.
- Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.
These are definitely some helpful notes and i will take them under consideration.To answer your last point i don't believe a 6u spacebar is required to have those keys you mentioned.I for one use the stepped control whenever it's available in a set and
i think the 2u shift is required in some 60% layouts that use a 6.25u spacebar (gk64 etc) so it's nice to have.
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.
Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. I’m primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.
No comment on iso.
So far looking pretty good.
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.
Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. I’m primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.
No comment on iso.
So far looking pretty good.
I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.
Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. I’m primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.
No comment on iso.
So far looking pretty good.
I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.
6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.
Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. I’m primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.
No comment on iso.
So far looking pretty good.
I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.
6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.
3 things
1 consider dropping either the mono legends or sublegends depending on interest. If they really are 50/50 then oh well but first gather some data through some Google forms or what not ask on discord and stuff.
2 The numpad kit solo irks me somewhat as people usually pair that with iso as both need support to hit moq from each other. I kind of agree that you should either incorporate numpad into base or take iso into numpad. My personal vote is on the latter.
3 lastly remember to talk to vendors on their opinions and stuff since they have a lot of numbers from previous runs they have done and a lot more experience. Would take their advice more closely than people posting here including myself
Most of these things are being worked on right now,for one the base and numpad are being merged as it will help keep the kit number down and help with the MOQ for both.Additionally i will most likely be cutting one of the Greek kits because realistically if there are 2 language kits none of the two will make MOQ.There will be a poll soon to vote for the kit that is gonna stay (personally i think mono Greek is the best of the two).Last but not least a spacebar kit will be added.Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.
Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. I’m primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.
No comment on iso.
So far looking pretty good.
I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.
6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.
3 things
1 consider dropping either the mono legends or sublegends depending on interest. If they really are 50/50 then oh well but first gather some data through some Google forms or what not ask on discord and stuff.
2 The numpad kit solo irks me somewhat as people usually pair that with iso as both need support to hit moq from each other. I kind of agree that you should either incorporate numpad into base or take iso into numpad. My personal vote is on the latter.
3 lastly remember to talk to vendors on their opinions and stuff since they have a lot of numbers from previous runs they have done and a lot more experience. Would take their advice more closely than people posting here including myself
I'm torn on your first point; but I think making an executive decision on doing one or the other would go a long way to actually getting those kits run. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice that will vary from person to person. Maybe combining the mono/sublegends kit into one "antiquities" or "It's all Greek to me" kit might be an option since the mono legends would only add 11 more keys to the sublegends kit (one overlapping key between kits) or maybe cutting out keys from the sublegends kit that are just two of the same letter (same keys cut as in the mono kit) though I'm sure mixed mono/sublegends would bug some people. I'm just thinking that if one alpha kit is gonna get cut based on popularity of past japanese mono/sublegend kit performance it's the mono (which is unfortunate because that's the kit I would want between the two). I think there's a way to run both mono/sublegend kits as one but think that having them split most likely will mean a higher possibility of neither actually getting run.
The other two points I can definitely get behind though I prefer just adding numpad to the basekit. Talking to vendors is definitely something to do to before finalizing kits and getting this set run.
If the Mono-Greek kit were to stay, could it be possible to add homing bars on the bottom of the F- and J -key, or add them as an option to the kit?That is the plan,i just haven't got the updated renders yet
Great to hear how receptive you are to feedback from fans of the set! All these changes are gonna lead to a better run imo.Most of these things are being worked on right now,for one the base and numpad are being merged as it will help keep the kit number down and help with the MOQ for both.Additionally i will most likely be cutting one of the Greek kits because realistically if there are 2 language kits none of the two will make MOQ.There will be a poll soon to vote for the kit that is gonna stay (personally i think mono Greek is the best of the two).Last but not least a spacebar kit will be added.Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.
Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. I’m primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.
No comment on iso.
So far looking pretty good.
I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.
6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.
3 things
1 consider dropping either the mono legends or sublegends depending on interest. If they really are 50/50 then oh well but first gather some data through some Google forms or what not ask on discord and stuff.
2 The numpad kit solo irks me somewhat as people usually pair that with iso as both need support to hit moq from each other. I kind of agree that you should either incorporate numpad into base or take iso into numpad. My personal vote is on the latter.
3 lastly remember to talk to vendors on their opinions and stuff since they have a lot of numbers from previous runs they have done and a lot more experience. Would take their advice more closely than people posting here including myself
I'm torn on your first point; but I think making an executive decision on doing one or the other would go a long way to actually getting those kits run. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice that will vary from person to person. Maybe combining the mono/sublegends kit into one "antiquities" or "It's all Greek to me" kit might be an option since the mono legends would only add 11 more keys to the sublegends kit (one overlapping key between kits) or maybe cutting out keys from the sublegends kit that are just two of the same letter (same keys cut as in the mono kit) though I'm sure mixed mono/sublegends would bug some people. I'm just thinking that if one alpha kit is gonna get cut based on popularity of past japanese mono/sublegend kit performance it's the mono (which is unfortunate because that's the kit I would want between the two). I think there's a way to run both mono/sublegend kits as one but think that having them split most likely will mean a higher possibility of neither actually getting run.
The other two points I can definitely get behind though I prefer just adding numpad to the basekit. Talking to vendors is definitely something to do to before finalizing kits and getting this set run.
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Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD
Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD
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Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD
Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD
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Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD
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Not to be a negative person but that render is with the sublegends being directly below the main legends. That's obviously going to make sublegends look like ****. There's a reason every single cherry sublegended board has had them in the opposite corner of the keycaps.
Imo you should abandon having any alternative language alpha kits (mono and mixed right now) and replace the base kit with the render you posted but with the legend position fixed on the keys.
Yes this hurts people who're interested in just the colors, but makes the set much more distinct/memorable. Of course, that's just my 2c.
I know it’s a little late, and possibly too late but... any thoughts on doing a deskmat? Cause I’d buy the crap out of a matching, Sparta themed deskmat.
I know it’s a little late, and possibly too late but... any thoughts on doing a deskmat? Cause I’d buy the crap out of a matching, Sparta themed deskmat.
Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD
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Not to be a negative person but that render is with the sublegends being directly below the main legends. That's obviously going to make sublegends look like ****. There's a reason every single cherry sublegended board has had them in the opposite corner of the keycaps.
Imo you should abandon having any alternative language alpha kits (mono and mixed right now) and replace the base kit with the render you posted but with the legend position fixed on the keys.
Yes this hurts people who're interested in just the colors, but makes the set much more distinct/memorable. Of course, that's just my 2c.
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So because it isn't your way, it's wrong; got it. Love the fact that you are saying the strawpoll is biased because your "suggestion" isn't in it, then make claims that aren't supported by any evidence about why people don't like the option closest to it. If you read through the thread, you'll actually see that at every instance (excepting one guy at the beginning of the thread) of your suggestion being brought up people have said they wouldn't like it. Why should OP even look into that as a legend option when it's clearly unpopular and not what they envision for the set (much less replace the most common legend option with it)? I'd like to think people can imagine what the set will look like even with properly placed legends without OP spending the time/money for a corrected render for something people don't want (according to data, not your "gut"). OP hit the nail on the head on why I personally want mono legends because mixed ones looks messy, and I'd like to think people agree that kits in this set look better when "spartan" and minimal rather than cluttered with sublegends. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice, as I've said before, and if the majority of people chose mixed or sublegends I'd be disappointed, but wouldn't be making claims about how "biased" the polling is/"I believe this, so it must be true." Expressing your opinion on the matter is what ICs are for, but coming in with a matter of fact attitude then getting defensive when pointed to data that doesn't support your opinion isn't. You're always free to run your own buy to see exactly how popular your mixed option is.Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD
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Not to be a negative person but that render is with the sublegends being directly below the main legends. That's obviously going to make sublegends look like ****. There's a reason every single cherry sublegended board has had them in the opposite corner of the keycaps.
Imo you should abandon having any alternative language alpha kits (mono and mixed right now) and replace the base kit with the render you posted but with the legend position fixed on the keys.
Yes this hurts people who're interested in just the colors, but makes the set much more distinct/memorable. Of course, that's just my 2c.
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Relying solely on a strawpoll based on a false pretense (mixed legends have the sublegend on the bottom left not bottom right) is warping people's perspective. I imagine a lot of people prefer mono legend because the sublegends on mixed legend are ugly because they're in an unusual position. Also, my suggestion was for only partial mixed legends (the same letters as the mono ones), so there's actually no data on how popular my idea is.
So because it isn't your way, it's wrong; got it. Love the fact that you are saying the strawpoll is biased because your "suggestion" isn't in it, then make claims that aren't supported by any evidence about why people don't like the option closest to it. If you read through the thread, you'll actually see that at every instance (excepting one guy at the beginning of the thread) of your suggestion being brought up people have said they wouldn't like it. Why should OP even look into that as a legend option when it's clearly unpopular and not what they envision for the set (much less replace the most common legend option with it)? I'd like to think people can imagine what the set will look like even with properly placed legends without OP spending the time/money for a corrected render for something people don't want (according to data, not your "gut"). OP hit the nail on the head on why I personally want mono legends because mixed ones looks messy, and I'd like to think people agree that kits in this set look better when "spartan" and minimal rather than cluttered with sublegends. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice, as I've said before, and if the majority of people chose mixed or sublegends I'd be disappointed, but wouldn't be making claims about how "biased" the polling is/"I believe this, so it must be true." Expressing your opinion on the matter is what ICs are for, but coming in with a matter of fact attitude then getting defensive when pointed to data that doesn't support your opinion isn't. You're always free to run your own buy to see exactly how popular your mixed option is.
Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.
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Relying solely on a strawpoll based on a false pretense (mixed legends have the sublegend on the bottom left not bottom right) is warping people's perspective. I imagine a lot of people prefer mono legend because the sublegends on mixed legend are ugly because they're in an unusual position. Also, my suggestion was for only partial mixed legends (the same letters as the mono ones), so there's actually no data on how popular my idea is.
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I'll be the first to apologize with how strong I came on, we're both fans of the set and just want to see it get where we think it will look the best, and that's a subjective thing. But I think there are some differences in how we're perceiving the agreement with lightning's original suggestion and how the poll asking for people's preferences is set up.So because it isn't your way, it's wrong; got it. Love the fact that you are saying the strawpoll is biased because your "suggestion" isn't in it, then make claims that aren't supported by any evidence about why people don't like the option closest to it. If you read through the thread, you'll actually see that at every instance (excepting one guy at the beginning of the thread) of your suggestion being brought up people have said they wouldn't like it. Why should OP even look into that as a legend option when it's clearly unpopular and not what they envision for the set (much less replace the most common legend option with it)? I'd like to think people can imagine what the set will look like even with properly placed legends without OP spending the time/money for a corrected render for something people don't want (according to data, not your "gut"). OP hit the nail on the head on why I personally want mono legends because mixed ones looks messy, and I'd like to think people agree that kits in this set look better when "spartan" and minimal rather than cluttered with sublegends. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice, as I've said before, and if the majority of people chose mixed or sublegends I'd be disappointed, but wouldn't be making claims about how "biased" the polling is/"I believe this, so it must be true." Expressing your opinion on the matter is what ICs are for, but coming in with a matter of fact attitude then getting defensive when pointed to data that doesn't support your opinion isn't. You're always free to run your own buy to see exactly how popular your mixed option is.
Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.
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Relying solely on a strawpoll based on a false pretense (mixed legends have the sublegend on the bottom left not bottom right) is warping people's perspective. I imagine a lot of people prefer mono legend because the sublegends on mixed legend are ugly because they're in an unusual position. Also, my suggestion was for only partial mixed legends (the same letters as the mono ones), so there's actually no data on how popular my idea is.
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Are we reading the same thread? Literally 8 people all agreed with lightnings suggestion on using bottom right sublegends on only select keys.
I'm not saying the datas bad because it disagrees with my opinion. I am questioning the way that the data is set up because every render done of the mixed greek legends has had the greek sublegends on the bottom left. That sets a false dichotomy from the beginning. You can't say people strongly prefer it when they've never had the other renders to compare to. Btw I am 100% open to being wrong too if he makes a render with bottom right positioned sublegend kit, like classic greek sublegends (cherry sets), and it looks bad I will be the first person to admit i'm wrong. Imagine we're choosing ice cream flavors for a party and i'm like I think we should pick strawberry and you're citing some study that says 60% of people prefer chocolate over vanilla. It's like yeah okay people prefer chocolate over vanilla but that doesn't ****ing matter i'm suggesting something else entirely...
Final note i'll say is that you mentioned it's a subjective decision of aesthetics. Yes aesthetics is subjective, but one huge way our brains determines what looks good versus bad is familiarity. This is why i think people often think split space looks really bad because peoples minds have expected a full space bar to be there and now it's not. I believe that's happening now with mixed greek sublegends. Every single other language sublegend kit (hangul, hiragana, arabic, etc) have ALL been on the bottom right. So when someone looks at the mixed kit here and it's on the bottom left that's going to be odd and make it more likely for them to dislike it.
That's the last post i'll say on it to you. At the end of the day you're absolutely right i'm just 1 customer. I don't want to turn this into some kind of personal argument when my only goal was to explain why i was disappointed with both of the options available in the straw poll.
I am not the most well spoken guy, so if the actual runner of the set isn't understanding what i'm saying then I can try and say it again to explain.
Why not combine the mono Greek alphas with classic cherry mixed sublegends that lightning suggested (Greek legends bottom right) and call it the Greek kit? It would still have fewer keys than the full sublegend kit and provide options for both those interested in mono legends and those in favor of the non-redundant sublegends.Hm, I'm not sure i follow.So when you say combine do you mean having mono Greek legends in all the keys that do not have the cherry right side legends?
Why not combine the mono Greek alphas with classic cherry mixed sublegends that lightning suggested (Greek legends bottom right) and call it the Greek kit? It would still have fewer keys than the full sublegend kit and provide options for both those interested in mono legends and those in favor of the non-redundant sublegends.Hm, I'm not sure i follow.So when you say combine do you mean having mono Greek legends in all the keys that do not have the cherry right side legends?
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Hm i see,that is quite interesting but will only be an option if the Greek keys with the right side legends don't require new molds.Why not combine the mono Greek alphas with classic cherry mixed sublegends that lightning suggested (Greek legends bottom right) and call it the Greek kit? It would still have fewer keys than the full sublegend kit and provide options for both those interested in mono legends and those in favor of the non-redundant sublegends.Hm, I'm not sure i follow.So when you say combine do you mean having mono Greek legends in all the keys that do not have the cherry right side legends?
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It would be taking the 12 keys that are already in your proposed mono kit and than adding an additional 11 keys that have the latin/Greek sublegends. Users would only use 12/23 of the keys at a time in the legends that they prefer.
On mobile and new to the site, am I missing something? Where are you folks seeing deskmats?
On mobile and new to the site, am I missing something? Where are you folks seeing deskmats?
Take another look at the last three renders in the original post.
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off
I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off
I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.
Excuse my ignorance; but, is color matching with cases a requirement?
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off
I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.
Excuse my ignorance; but, is color matching with cases a requirement?
Sorry I realize now my comment came off as that. I was asking for myself, curious if I wanted to put this in a burgundy or e-white tofu. I didn’t mean to imply or recommend to color match to tofu cases. I was just asking if they had input on if it’d be close or not.
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off
I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.
Excuse my ignorance; but, is color matching with cases a requirement?
Sorry I realize now my comment came off as that. I was asking for myself, curious if I wanted to put this in a burgundy or e-white tofu. I didn’t mean to imply or recommend to color match to tofu cases. I was just asking if they had input on if it’d be close or not.
Colors have just been posted.Now as far as your question goes I think it would look better on the E-White because the cream,red and gold combo would look killer on white IMO even if the actual white of the set is more creamy.
is the color of the modifiers similar to red samurai alphas or are they different?I have no idea what colors were used for Red Sam but I don't think they were RAL (I'm not sure though.The red I'm using is RAL 3011 though.
KMK Labs.
is the color of the modifiers similar to red samurai alphas or are they different?I have no idea what colors were used for Red Sam but I don't think they were RAL (I'm not sure though.The red I'm using is RAL 3011 though.
KMK Labs.
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Could you possibly add a NorDeUk kit?First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.
All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.
All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:
Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!
Unfortunately not, judging from how the same kit did on other sets there is no chance it will hit MOQ.Could you possibly add a NorDeUk kit?First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.
All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.
All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:
Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!
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Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!
If you do add a 2nd kit, likely only an extra key or two (Tab comes to mind) so that if you get the base kit plus the red alphas you can actually cover a ANSI standard layout plus a Tsangan. Makes it more versatile.
I like this set a fair bit, but I'd suggest removing the Numpad sub legends for a much cleaner look. ;D
When will the GB possibly start?
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!
Unfortunately something like that won't be happening.Adding red alphas would get the set too close to red samurai in my opinion,i may consider adding the red F keys though.
Out of curiosity wondering if this has any relation to JTK Sun Devil http://sonorankeyboards.com/sundevil-keyset/The sets have no affiliation at all,even though the colors look a bit similar at first glance they are not at all the same.Just in case though I spoke to Koduh before running the IC to make sure I wasn't getting in the way of a retry/rerun.
Been thinking for awhile now the color combo was sorta familiar and couldn't place it, but just had this pop up.
Still no deskmat renders? :/
I might be missing something, but what’s up with the R in the mixed Greek kit with the P Sublegend?What's wrong with it?
I might be missing something, but what’s up with the R in the mixed Greek kit with the P Sublegend?
Regarding the deskmat - is it meant to be off-balance that way?
Any word on when you plan to run this again?
Now that this set has been taken up again, should the base kit be subject to a second round of study? Since the IC was initially posted, there have been some changes in what's expected of a base kit (most of which ARE satisfied in Sparta's base kit, it must be said).
IMHO, only three things need to be considered here: a) the inclusion of an extra B (in the space bars kit); b) the replacement of R3 #~ for \| (and perhaps going terminal style instead of PC style, as that's gaining acceptance); c) F13.
HTH!
Now that this set has been taken up again, should the base kit be subject to a second round of study? Since the IC was initially posted, there have been some changes in what's expected of a base kit (most of which ARE satisfied in Sparta's base kit, it must be said).
IMHO, only three things need to be considered here: a) the inclusion of an extra B (in the space bars kit); b) the replacement of R3 #~ for \| (and perhaps going terminal style instead of PC style, as that's gaining acceptance); c) F13.
HTH!
Yes the base kit is gonna change for this round and to answer your questions,yes an F13 and an extra B key are things that will be added to their respective kits and the #~ key will be replaced.And if I may ask what do you mean by "terminal style"?
Glad to see that this is back. The base kit looks good imo, I'd just change the stepped Caps Lock legend to “Caps” and do what Miguel suggested regarding the ISO keys. If space becomes tight after B and F13 are added, I'd maybe let go of the stepped 1.75u Control. It might also make sense to put B in the spacebars kit, since that's where the space keys used for Alice are.
Hey man, love the set. I assume there won’t be support for ergo, right? Based on not getting much traction last time...
Thanks and good luck!
Call it GMK Trojan. Send it to some kids at USC to post around campus. You’ll hit massdrop level numbers easy. No more flops.
http://imgur.com/a/0cc2olICall it GMK Trojan. Send it to some kids at USC to post around campus. You’ll hit massdrop level numbers easy. No more flops.
I would support the name change to get the kit made. Put up posts on Florida State University campus under GMK Seminole as well. lol
A couple of things i would love to see for the novelty kit:
- not sure about the sword enter novelty. Maybe keep only the text one. Never really liked swords as novelties tbh, a bit too much for my taste;
- i've always thought about having a novelty for the capslock. Maybe change the sword one of the enter novelties to that?;
- R2-R3-R4 1u novelties.
Do you have something in mind for the novelties which you are working on currently?
Looking forward to seeing this set back in GB :thumb:
2 things:
I would definitely get this if in PBT! The greek looks great.
Any chance for a white modifier kit? Gold on white would look sick.
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A couple of things i would love to see for the novelty kit:
- not sure about the sword enter novelty. Maybe keep only the text one. Never really liked swords as novelties tbh, a bit too much for my taste;
- i've always thought about having a novelty for the capslock. Maybe change the sword one of the enter novelties to that?;
- R2-R3-R4 1u novelties.
Do you have something in mind for the novelties which you are working on currently?
Looking forward to seeing this set back in GB :thumb:
For now the only thing I'm thinking is cutting some keys from the novelty kit. The sword novelty will probably go yeah but I will most likely make a poll so you can choose which ones stay and which ones go.
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I would definitely get this if in PBT! The greek looks great.
Any chance for a white modifier kit? Gold on white would look sick.
Unfortuantely new kits can't be added at the moment, if anything the old kits will be shortened for the most part.
It means no new kits will be added because along with a new kit comes a new MOQ that needs to be reached. Additionally it will increase the price of the set as a whole. I will post a comment soon with the list of changes/updates so you can see and review them.2 things:
I would definitely get this if in PBT! The greek looks great.
Any chance for a white modifier kit? Gold on white would look sick.
Unfortuantely new kits can't be added at the moment, if anything the old kits will be shortened for the most part.
Why exactly does that mean ? Does that mean new kits are going to be added but we are unsure when ? If you could give us a short answer of things that can get changed and things that won't be or can't changed.
I am sure this will help the community to ask appropriate questions. But most importantly may save time.
- Finally I would like to announce that I am looking into the possibility of the set being run through Massdrop as I believe it's what is best for the set but please let me know what you think
Ugh! Running it on drop means that you’ll have greater reach and will be able to keep most of the keys (and hopefully better pricing?), but at the expense of international buyers and bad customer support.
I have no issues with Drop, their customer service has been excellent for me in the past.
I literally want everything from this kit. It's the GMK i most want all year. I really hope you get the product recognization you deserve!
A proposal for a change of the helmet novelty with one similar to the attached file.
Any update on what will be changed according to the google form entries so far?The polls are actually absolutely even, it's been that way from the start of the poll. So I suppose there are only two options here, either split the kit again and hope that both make MOQ or keep the kit as is.
I just ran across this set and I really like it. I don't know if it's too late to talk about changes, but I just wanted to make a couple of suggestions:
- Could you add an R2 [;] (Greek question mark) key to the Greek monolegends set, without the Q on it? It would be really nice to be able to make a fully Greek layout without a random Q on it spoiling the effect ;-)
- ISO Support seems like you would need to have two [\ _] keys on the same board. I'm not sure exactly how an actual Greek keyboard is laid out; one picture I found on the internet had a [< >] key on R4, so maybe that would be a better choice?
- This is a stretch, but polytonic accent keys would be nice. That is: R1 [῏], [῍]; R2: [~], [`] (Grave accent); R3 [᾿] (Note this is a smooth breathing mark, not an apostrophe); and R4 [῎] (This is a single character)
These are written more or less in order of how much they matter to me. I'd probably build this using an ISO layout so I'd want to double-check that this could be made to work; looks like it should though, at first glance.
EDIT: I'm guessing from your location field that you are Greek, so sorry if my explanations of the diacritics above seem a little bit "mansplainy", haha. I really just wrote them to clarify which thing I was typing; in the instance of ;, for example, I believe this is actually a different unicode code-point than the semicolon ;.
I just ran across this set and I really like it. I don't know if it's too late to talk about changes, but I just wanted to make a couple of suggestions:
- Could you add an R2 [;] (Greek question mark) key to the Greek monolegends set, without the Q on it? It would be really nice to be able to make a fully Greek layout without a random Q on it spoiling the effect ;-)
- ISO Support seems like you would need to have two [\ _] keys on the same board. I'm not sure exactly how an actual Greek keyboard is laid out; one picture I found on the internet had a [< >] key on R4, so maybe that would be a better choice?
- This is a stretch, but polytonic accent keys would be nice. That is: R1 [῏], [῍]; R2: [~], [`] (Grave accent); R3 [᾿] (Note this is a smooth breathing mark, not an apostrophe); and R4 [῎] (This is a single character)
I wasn't around for the first go so obviously you know a lot better than I the original struggles, but my vote is keep it as is, something is better than nothing...Any update on what will be changed according to the google form entries so far?The polls are actually absolutely even, it's been that way from the start of the poll. So I suppose there are only two options here, either split the kit again and hope that both make MOQ or keep the kit as is.
I'm a bit confused, has this set dropped yet or has the GB yet to happen? I saw it was listed as out of stock on candy keys website
I'm a bit confused, has this set dropped yet or has the GB yet to happen? I saw it was listed as out of stock on candy keys website
GB is yet to happen, candy keys thingy is the previous GB that failed. Was confused too when I saw it the first time
Any update on this?
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Has anybody contacted OP about making this set? It would be a shame that if it never gets made