Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 30 April 2015, 17:53:53
Groupbuy for GMK doubleshots. This groupbuy is open to anyone world wide.
USD pricing subject to change based on current EUR exchange rate at invoice time. All orders will be invoiced in USD and payable in USD. Buyer will be responsible for payment of goods, shipping costs, for all paypal fees, and an additional $5 groupbuy fee. All orders will be sent via USPS. Shipping fees will vary based on what is ordered and it's destination. I will not be liable for uninsured/nontrackable orders damaged or lost during shipping. International orders with insurance/tracking sent via EMS advised for any large orders.
By placing an order you agree to these terms.
ORDER DEADLINE IS 30 JULY 2015
PAYMENT DEADLINE IS 16 AUGUST. If you would like any changes to your order invoice, please tell me as a reply to the invoice via email as it is much easier for me to have it right there to see what you are asking for instead of via PM. Please make sure to request any changes BEFORE you pay.
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71507.0;attach=104039;image)
Miami Nights FULL SET | PRICE: €106 / $115
(http://i.imgur.com/RGGi74j.png)
Featuring a large range of compatibility with most existing ANSI or ISO MX based keyboards, US and Spanish dual layout in Cyan and Magenta on Black keys.
CMYKv2 MODIFIER PACK | PRICE: €40 / $44
(http://i.imgur.com/ItkTFkE.png)
Featuring a large range of compatibility with most existing ANSI or ISO MX based keyboards, Universal layout in Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Dark Grey on Black keys. Will accommodate up to 3 keyboards with different configurations.
SPACEBARS | PRICE: €2 / $2.25 each
(http://i.imgur.com/Z44dWZI.png)
Available in Black, Cyan, Magenta and Yellow in each size of either 6.25 or 7u.
ORDER HERE (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1y5li3al4OBxXVJcSHG30C2fObOgvyOcirc8jo-9qVbQ/viewform?usp=send_form)
FAQ:
Q: How much is shipping?
A: Shipping cost varies. I may suggest you can go to USPS.com and choose calculate a price to get an estimate. Each full set will be around 7oz, CMYKv2 about 3oz, each pair of spacebars around 1oz. It will show you the prices for each options of first class and priority (express).
Q: Can I change my order? How do I change my order?
A: Please resubmit the form, the older order will be deleted.
Post by: wakko on Thu, 30 April 2015, 17:55:49
Second post hahaha
Post by: Sygaldry on Thu, 30 April 2015, 18:09:00
Do I have to pay now or can I wait 'til order deadline to pay?
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 30 April 2015, 18:09:38
Edit: order placed
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 30 April 2015, 18:11:05
Post by: Sygaldry on Thu, 30 April 2015, 18:15:14
As always, invoices won't be sent out until after it's clear MOQ will be reached.
Perfect.
Order placed!
(How are the CONUS, non-express orders being shipped? First Class? and how much do you anticipate the express upgrade to cost?)
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 30 April 2015, 18:28:54
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 30 April 2015, 18:34:29
Edit: Guess I should clarify, username/email/address are visible once you submit an order, for everyone that joined.
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:01:12
Post by: Ouro on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:03:06
Post by: Danboard on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:04:13
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:16:35
thank you very much ,your great and fabulous work will be much appreciated.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:18:06
One of everything because I'm am addict :(
Three of everything because I just love me some triple action, here on Geekhack ;D .
Post by: adamski07 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:19:32
Post by: the big aristotle on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:20:25
Post by: renne on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:26:56
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:29:21
Post by: Dreamre on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:36:18
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:46:02
Post by: Rotaku on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:52:04
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:58:27
Post by: Dreamre on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:05:22
Why do I feel that I'm the only one who didn't get the space bar....
That's the best part! Will look amazing especially with GMK Hyperfuse :D!
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:17:29
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:21:06
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:27:09
Ill submit my form tomorrow after catching some sleep...
Way to hungover to make a decision on those smexy spacebars right now. xD
Post by: Willyc277 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:39:29
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:45:47
Just a heads up, anyone is able to look at the submitted orders. Everything is visible.
Edit: Guess I should clarify, username/email/address are visible once you submit an order, for everyone that joined.
+1 Ivan, please remove this from public view...
Post by: effectiveduck on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:52:05
Specifically to AUS for "1 main, 1 cmyw and 6 spacebars" and for "1 cmyw and 6 spacebars"?
Post by: TBone on Thu, 30 April 2015, 21:12:45
Post by: Danboard on Thu, 30 April 2015, 21:15:18
Would it be alright to only order a few spacebars? Just checking. Thanks!
Yup, its always been fine in the past.
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 21:26:39
Post by: litesung on Thu, 30 April 2015, 22:03:54
Post by: cooldiscretion on Thu, 30 April 2015, 22:50:56
Post by: Joey Quinn on Fri, 01 May 2015, 00:52:47
Post by: rioc on Fri, 01 May 2015, 01:07:28
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 01 May 2015, 01:54:36
Whats the added cost for express shipping?
Specifically to AUS for "1 main, 1 cmyw and 6 spacebars" and for "1 cmyw and 6 spacebars"?
Don't think you'll have to worry about that for a loooooong time
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 May 2015, 01:54:39
I should have the funds for this in about two weeks. :)
Plenty of time yet, every person working now, shall receive their payment cheque in two weeks hence this set shall be purchased with ease :thumb: .
Post by: effectiveduck on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:03:01
Whats the added cost for express shipping?
Specifically to AUS for "1 main, 1 cmyw and 6 spacebars" and for "1 cmyw and 6 spacebars"?
Don't think you'll have to worry about that for a loooooong time
Woah june 30th? Damn. Yup
Post by: hrinfinity on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:08:21
As usual, thanks for running this Ivan :D
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:10:46
Whats the added cost for express shipping?
Specifically to AUS for "1 main, 1 cmyw and 6 spacebars" and for "1 cmyw and 6 spacebars"?
Don't think you'll have to worry about that for a loooooong time
Woah june 30th? Damn. Yup
That's like light years ahead :p
Post by: effectiveduck on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:18:38
Whats the added cost for express shipping?
Specifically to AUS for "1 main, 1 cmyw and 6 spacebars" and for "1 cmyw and 6 spacebars"?
Don't think you'll have to worry about that for a loooooong time
Woah june 30th? Damn. Yup
That's like light years ahead :p
Just in time for my tax return :)
Post by: bueller on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:30:03
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:36:02
I think this has way better chances of going though than the 85/15 set :thumb:
Post by: keyit on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:52:15
Just a heads up, anyone is able to look at the submitted orders. Everything is visible.
Edit: Guess I should clarify, username/email/address are visible once you submit an order, for everyone that joined.
+1 Ivan, please remove this from public view...
+2
Post by: martinyeah on Fri, 01 May 2015, 04:20:05
SO nice!!!
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 01 May 2015, 05:02:42
Post by: xumu120 on Fri, 01 May 2015, 08:22:59
Post by: mylove1431 on Fri, 01 May 2015, 08:47:14
Post by: Proyal on Fri, 01 May 2015, 09:16:19
Post by: ROFLmonstar on Fri, 01 May 2015, 10:14:21
Also I would disable the option that anybody could see other people's responses...
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 01 May 2015, 10:20:15
How much for intl. shipping? Just want a few spacebars.Yeah, awesome! /s
Also I would disable the option that anybody could see other people's responses...
Shows address, phone numbers, email addresses
EDIT: Analytics have been deactivated.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 01 May 2015, 11:39:45
Yes of course you can order any item you wish separate, even a single spacebar if that's all you want.
Shipping cost varies. I may suggest you can go to USPS.com and choose calculate a price to get an estimate. Each full set will be around 7oz, CMYKv2 about 3oz, each pair of spacebars around 1oz. It will show you the prices for each options of first class and priority (express).
Post by: Blackehart on Fri, 01 May 2015, 12:07:03
Post by: welsinki on Sat, 02 May 2015, 01:34:43
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 02 May 2015, 01:43:04
Will you have an EU proxy for shipping things to people in Europe?
Will you have an EU proxy for shipping things to people in Europe?Better chances of it slipping through untaxed when going separately. Also probably much cheaper.
A proxy probably only makes sense with separate keys and then shipping it as mail.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 02 May 2015, 09:12:24
Post by: madhias on Sat, 02 May 2015, 09:13:35
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 02 May 2015, 20:31:52
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 02 May 2015, 21:20:49
I couldn't wait so I ordered.
Good man, this is one very classy GMK set open for installation into any coloured keyboard made with any type of CherryMX switch 8) .
Looking forward to this one going into GMK's molds for the complete realization of all our German Fetishes ;) .
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 02 May 2015, 21:41:07
I couldn't wait so I ordered.
Good man, this is one very classy GMK set open for installation into any coloured keyboard made with any type of CherryMX switch 8) .
Looking forward to this one going into GMK's molds for the complete realization of all our German Fetishes ;) .
I just wish I could justify the CMYKv2, I know I'll want it at some point but I don't have a use for it now.
Post by: choc on Sat, 02 May 2015, 21:44:36
I think it's very strange and inconsistent if these Windowed Lock keys were to used with the full set.
And this is why I am hesitating to get several full sets and CMYKv2 sets of "Miami".
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 02 May 2015, 22:35:55
thanks for adding so much time for orders, june 30 is very much doable
though those less patient than myself might have issues
Post by: rsadek on Sat, 02 May 2015, 23:42:37
I couldn't wait so I ordered.
Good man, this is one very classy GMK set open for installation into any coloured keyboard made with any type of CherryMX switch 8) .
Looking forward to this one going into GMK's molds for the complete realization of all our German Fetishes ;) .
I just wish I could justify the CMYKv2, I know I'll want it at some point but I don't have a use for it now.
This sounds to me like justification enough :thumb:
Think what it'll cost you later ;)
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 02 May 2015, 23:46:05
I couldn't wait so I ordered.
Good man, this is one very classy GMK set open for installation into any coloured keyboard made with any type of CherryMX switch 8) .
Looking forward to this one going into GMK's molds for the complete realization of all our German Fetishes ;) .
I just wish I could justify the CMYKv2, I know I'll want it at some point but I don't have a use for it now.
This sounds to me like justification enough :thumb:
Think what it'll cost you later ;)
It's going to be an expensive summer, the $45 will be better used elsewhere. I already said no more keyboard spending yet I've bought $50 worth of Bros and this set. :confused:
Post by: n7 on Sun, 03 May 2015, 14:27:52
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 03 May 2015, 15:12:27
In for one of everything (except 7u spacebars) :thumb:
I bought 2 of each 7u bar and 1 of each 6.25. :))
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 03 May 2015, 18:22:20
Post by: naasfu on Sun, 03 May 2015, 20:35:47
Post by: 3Love on Mon, 04 May 2015, 00:26:17
Post by: LifeZ on Mon, 04 May 2015, 02:48:41
Post by: retainerbox on Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:13:15
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:28:10
Post by: greath on Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:42:34
This is true black, the PBTs are light black/very dark grey so it would look totally different.
This maybe a dumb question, but do you know if this black will match OG Cherry WoB doubleshots' black? Thinking of picking up a mods pack and a couple spacebars to complete my set.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:47:54
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 04 May 2015, 13:04:37
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 04 May 2015, 19:41:25
Yes, should be perfect with old Cherry black ABS sets.
You see this is why Ivan is the Smart Man of Key-sets when organizing any GMK Group Buy. Instead of getting a difficult or rare colour-way made by them it's the traditional Black and Coloured Legends proposal, which easily augments with every plain Black and White Cherry made key-sets available.
With these Coloured Legends it helps to highlight with subtlety, how grand this new key-set will be with any type of Cherry based keyboard. In fact any coloured keyboard would pop with these babies installed, hence Ivan has indeed designed a key-set that can be truly universally installed across any coloured keyboard that has ever been made.
Post by: Karura on Mon, 04 May 2015, 23:19:52
Yes, should be perfect with old Cherry black ABS sets.
You see this is why Ivan is the Smart Man of Key-sets when organizing any GMK Group Buy. Instead of getting a difficult or rare colour-way made by them it's the traditional Black and Coloured Legends proposal, which easily augments with every plain Black and White Cherry made key-sets available.
With these Coloured Legends it helps to highlight with subtlety, how grand this new key-set will be with any type of Cherry based keyboard. In fact any coloured keyboard would pop with these babies installed, hence Ivan has indeed designed a key-set that can be truly universally installed across any coloured keyboard that has ever been made.
There is a reason why I love chatting with Ivan about GMK colourways, and bounce ideas back and forth :)
He's got the enthusiasts in mind, and tries to find a neato set to offer the community, that is not only practical but also exciting.
BTW I'm totally in this GB, placed an order a few days ago. Looking forward to getting it.
That said, I am also kinda on the bench regarding the side-printed capslock!! How come we aren't going for the pink top-printed Capslock, so we have a proper replacement for the one in the base set?
Post by: demsix on Tue, 05 May 2015, 02:43:36
Post by: choc on Tue, 05 May 2015, 05:53:57
That said, I am also kinda on the bench regarding the side-printed capslock!! How come we aren't going for the pink top-printed Capslock, so we have a proper replacement for the one in the base set?
^This.
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 06 May 2015, 14:01:14
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 07 May 2015, 07:20:47
I look forward to this set a lot. By the way have we met our MOQ yet?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 07 May 2015, 09:20:32
Still a ways off from MOQ, but off to a decent start.
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 07 May 2015, 10:07:00
If you want to cancel, submit order with zero quantity is good.
Still a ways off from MOQ, but off to a decent start.
Is there a progress count somewhere? Sorry, just excited for us to reach the MOQ.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 07 May 2015, 10:12:24
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 07 May 2015, 10:35:26
I don't think I am going to publish numbers this time... I have often wondered if it is actually counterproductive. Like too many people don't want to put in an order unless it's already reached the MOQ... but how do we get to MOQ without the orders?
Understood.... Looking forward to the big WE HAVE HIT MOQ post :)
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 07 May 2015, 12:44:19
And good call not posting numbers, people must join this GB :D
Post by: jaemzp on Fri, 08 May 2015, 03:58:57
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 08 May 2015, 04:42:39
I don't think I am going to publish numbers this time... I have often wondered if it is actually counterproductive. Like too many people don't want to put in an order unless it's already reached the MOQ... but how do we get to MOQ without the orders?
Understand your commotion here BUT PMK has been running their website perfectly with timings showing exactly what you mentioned, that MOST will not order unless the MOQ rises towards the end of the deadline posted.
Like it or not having a a clearly updated MOQ showing daily numbers, can only help to reach the final numbers needed to make this Order happen. You can blame SP for starting this type of ordering procedure.
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 08 May 2015, 05:03:42
I don't think I am going to publish numbers this time... I have often wondered if it is actually counterproductive. Like too many people don't want to put in an order unless it's already reached the MOQ... but how do we get to MOQ without the orders?
Understand your commotion here BUT PMK has been running their website perfectly with timings showing exactly what you mentioned, that MOST will not order unless the MOQ rises towards the end of the deadline posted.
Like it or not having a a clearly updated MOQ showing daily numbers, can only help to reach the final numbers needed to make this Order happen. You can blame SP for starting this type of ordering procedure.
I'm in between you two on opinion. I wonder if the numbers play much of a role at all, or if orders are more determined by interest versus available funds.
It's always going to be impossible to tell, so speculation is fun.
At the end of the day I like to believe that everyone who really wants it will find a way to order.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 08 May 2015, 05:12:42
At the end of the day I like to believe that everyone who really wants it will find a way to order.
May be true but for us Key-set Red-necks that will ALWAYS buy a GMK set no matter the cost, some people time their purchases relating to a number of factors like for example, waiting to see if enough numbers show that it will tip then decide when their next pay cheque will come into their possession.
Also if anything else might pop up inconveniently like rent, car payments, school fees and such like.
Add that too a mixture of hesitation and remorse as you pour your last cent into a Group Buy and wondering if it will at all happen. You need to take away that uncertainty because that forces the young ones away in droves, why should they care about handing over a promise to pay, when it might not ever happen?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 08 May 2015, 09:18:05
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 08 May 2015, 11:31:14
It is my personal opinion that this is one of the best looking keysets ever. Hopefully enough people agree with me :)
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 08 May 2015, 13:37:04
There should be no concerns about paying into something that won't happen. I don't even send invoices out unless I know it can happen as orders have reached MOQ.
My thoughts exactly Ivan! There's no hesitation because if it doesn't reach MOQ then our wallets were never in danger. For now it's just a dream that we can plan ahead to pay for.
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 10 May 2015, 18:34:51
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 10 May 2015, 19:43:05
There should be no concerns about paying into something that won't happen. I don't even send invoices out unless I know it can happen as orders have reached MOQ.
My thoughts exactly Ivan! There's no hesitation because if it doesn't reach MOQ then our wallets were never in danger. For now it's just a dream that we can plan ahead to pay for.
Exactly, with Ivan just put in your order now so that we can see if there's a lot of interest, so no one is asking for the money. When it tips here on Geekhack then you produce the moolah to see this baby built, hence for all the newbies out there don't worry about producing the money for your order just yet.
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 10 May 2015, 20:59:47
However , as a pessimist, even there are almost fifty days left, the feadback from my chinese friends show that they all are more interested in the Spacebars than other two sets.
IF only spacebars and CMYK V2 reach the MOQ , the basic set couldn't . Will this GB happen as usual or cancelled?
Post by: sbot1101 on Mon, 11 May 2015, 02:15:41
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 11 May 2015, 02:23:40
Alright I'm down for these amazing looking caps. This'll be my first full set of custom caps. At least the 7-week+ deadline gives me enough time to break the news slowly to the wife about how much I'm dropping on some plastic letters :)
It'll be hard at first. Especially when the set costs as much as that keyboard you bought that already costs too much money.
Then they will just realise that you are possessed and insane by the GMK demons that cannot be purged.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 11 May 2015, 02:39:24
Alright I'm down for these amazing looking caps. This'll be my first full set of custom caps. At least the 7-week+ deadline gives me enough time to break the news slowly to the wife about how much I'm dropping on some plastic letters :)
Easy solution, take your wife out on the town.
Nothing better than taking her to Restaurant Amuse (64 Bronte Street, East Perth) and spoiling her then later show how much you love her by showering her with gifts, with anything she likes :thumb: .
Very easy solution to convince her how much she means to you BUT also getting all your key-caps delivered to your address with NO complaints whatsoever 8) .
Post by: sbot1101 on Mon, 11 May 2015, 02:56:46
Alright I'm down for these amazing looking caps. This'll be my first full set of custom caps. At least the 7-week+ deadline gives me enough time to break the news slowly to the wife about how much I'm dropping on some plastic letters :)
It'll be hard at first. Especially when the set costs as much as that keyboard you bought that already costs too much money.
Then they will just realise that you are possessed and insane by the GMK demons that cannot be purged.
Alright I'm down for these amazing looking caps. This'll be my first full set of custom caps. At least the 7-week+ deadline gives me enough time to break the news slowly to the wife about how much I'm dropping on some plastic letters :)
Easy solution, take your wife out on the town.
Nothing better than taking her to Restaurant Amuse (64 Bronte Street, East Perth) and spoiling her then later show how much you love her by showering her with gifts, with anything she likes :thumb: .
Very easy solution to convince her how much she means to you BUT also getting all your key-caps delivered to your address with NO complaints whatsoever 8) .
Haha it helps knowing that I'm not the first to wander down this path. May the restaurant-wooing and GMK-demon possession of those who went before me keep me safe. If not, bury me with brocaps on my eyes.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 11 May 2015, 12:37:42
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 11 May 2015, 13:43:17
Also the solution to the value of caps versus boards is simple: buy more expensive keyboards so your boards are still worth 3x a cap set. :)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 11 May 2015, 19:44:19
Also the solution to the value of caps versus boards is simple: buy more expensive keyboards so your boards are still worth 3x a cap set. :)
Very shrewd individual here 8) , you've got some people here on Geekhack that can help you with that important quest in finding that "extra" special keyboard to compliment a GMK key-set :thumb: .
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 13 May 2015, 04:29:29
Also the solution to the value of caps versus boards is simple: buy more expensive keyboards so your boards are still worth 3x a cap set. :)
Very shrewd individual here 8) , you've got some people here on Geekhack that can help you with that important quest in finding that "extra" special keyboard to compliment a GMK key-set :thumb: .
Yes more recently I've made some close friends to help fund my bad habits. :rolleyes: But all of my boards are from recent GB except for my soon to be kmac-mini. :-*
[if anyone wants a hand or info on k.customs feel free to pm; fair warning I'm not the be all end of all info.]
Post by: Sent on Wed, 13 May 2015, 05:00:24
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 15 May 2015, 19:37:33
Post by: greath on Sat, 16 May 2015, 00:11:15
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 16 May 2015, 01:37:24
Post by: meow a cat on Sat, 16 May 2015, 02:32:14
Thanks Ivan!! :thumb:
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 16 May 2015, 20:14:48
It would seem to make more symmetrical sense, right?
Post by: geniekid on Sun, 17 May 2015, 09:46:04
I don't remember if this was answered but, why are the "print, scroll lock, and break" keys R1 instead of R0?
It would seem to make more symmetrical sense, right?
According to this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70463.msg1700661#msg1700661) I do not believe molds are available for those keys in F profile.
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 17 May 2015, 10:58:44
Ok. That makes sense.I don't remember if this was answered but, why are the "print, scroll lock, and break" keys R1 instead of R0?
It would seem to make more symmetrical sense, right?
According to this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70463.msg1700661#msg1700661) I do not believe molds are available for those keys in F profile.
It started bugging me that thise keys werent in the same profile.
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 17 May 2015, 11:33:49
Post by: gameaholic on Sun, 17 May 2015, 20:26:42
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 17 May 2015, 21:28:24
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 18 May 2015, 11:33:00
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 18 May 2015, 14:44:48
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 19 May 2015, 02:10:23
Post by: Karura on Tue, 19 May 2015, 04:59:42
The original Miami had teal/pink/teal for F-rows. Would be interested to hear the reasoning for going with a completely pink F-row!
Cheers :)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 19 May 2015, 05:40:06
Post by: malcomkern on Tue, 19 May 2015, 10:41:37
Seeing so many nice sets, can not choose, so why should I :p
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 19 May 2015, 18:10:55
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 19 May 2015, 19:56:22
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 19 May 2015, 21:28:45
Any idea on what the numbers are like at the moment Ivan?
He mentioned a while ago that we hit around the half way mark. No idea where it is now. But don't worry it will make MOQ
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:31:34
Any idea on what the numbers are like at the moment Ivan?
He mentioned a while ago that we hit around the half way mark. No idea where it is now. But don't worry it will make MOQ
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Post by: shower_king on Wed, 20 May 2015, 03:19:34
We're about half way there now. If you can drum up support on any other forums besides here and DT that would be great.
Any idea on what the numbers are like at the moment Ivan?
He mentioned a while ago that we hit around the half way mark. No idea where it is now. But don't worry it will make MOQ
Any idea on what the numbers are like at the moment Ivan?
He mentioned a while ago that we hit around the half way mark. No idea where it is now. But don't worry it will make MOQ
i think what ivan said don't meant reach the half of the MOQ . what he meant is making the GB happen was not enough ,we need more effort to attract more people join in this GB.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 20 May 2015, 09:35:17
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 20 May 2015, 11:03:08
Right... we are just 50% of MOQ on everything, so we need more orders. Helping spread the word about this may help us get to our MOQ.
I will be devastated if doesn't hit the numbers we need. :'(
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 20 May 2015, 11:34:45
Right... we are just 50% of MOQ on everything, so we need more orders. Helping spread the word about this may help us get to our MOQ.
I will be devastated if doesn't hit the numbers we need. :'(
But not your wallet. :thumb: / :'(
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 20 May 2015, 12:34:20
Post by: appleonama on Wed, 20 May 2015, 15:13:05
Psh... money comes and goes, but doubleshots are forever.
I like this guy
I'm joining now
Post by: korrelate on Wed, 20 May 2015, 17:01:00
are you going for the sorting and packaging options for this GB?
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 20 May 2015, 17:31:32
Psh... money comes and goes, but doubleshots are forever.
So true. :cool:
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:25:22
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:55:26
Psh... money comes and goes, but doubleshots are forever.
Words to live and die for :thumb: .
When you first install these GMK's onto your virginal keyboard, the first gasp of anticipation is the perfect fit of the dark lusciousness upon all those cherries. Once it's all firmly installed into your keyboard you shall type into an orgasmic crescendo, the likes of which you've never experienced before.
Urge all those wanting to experience some dark magic, get these and know what's like to be truly GMK'd 8) .
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Thu, 21 May 2015, 06:33:59
Post by: Karura on Thu, 21 May 2015, 06:49:14
Would it be possible to add an option for 6u spacebars?
It would not, due to GMK not having the moulds to produce them.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 21 May 2015, 06:55:56
Psh... money comes and goes, but doubleshots are forever.
Words to live and die for :thumb: .
When you first install these GMK's onto your virginal keyboard, the first gasp of anticipation is the perfect fit of the dark lusciousness upon all those cherries. Once it's all firmly installed into your keyboard you shall type into an orgasmic crescendo, the likes of which you've never experienced before.
Urge all those wanting to experience some dark magic, get these and know what's like to be truly GMK'd 8) .
Thread rating is now NC-17.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 May 2015, 14:32:46
I can see about possibly getting some PBT or POM 6x from Gateron though if enough people think they would use them.
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:25:48
Right, GMK doesn't have the tooling molds for any spacebars smaller than 6.25... and I don't see the need to offer the 8x, 10x, 12x...I know I would want a 6x spacebar. But, I'd want to use it on my infinity board.
I can see about possibly getting some PBT or POM 6x from Gateron though if enough people think they would use them.
I havent gotten any confirmation on 6x compatibility with the infinity board.
Anyone know?
Post by: pr1me on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:20:20
I think i ordered, but i'm not sure (got some false memory going on here)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:26:38
Ivan, can you check if my name is on the order list ?
I think i ordered, but i'm not sure (got some false memory going on here)
I was in the same boat. Just submit another order and it will delete the first.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 23 May 2015, 12:02:27
Post by: pr1me on Sat, 23 May 2015, 12:32:29
Thanks
Post by: daviswalkers on Sun, 24 May 2015, 01:25:18
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 24 May 2015, 09:53:47
Post by: echo0 on Mon, 25 May 2015, 07:05:39
Post by: Zwi on Mon, 25 May 2015, 19:33:40
Post by: rsadek on Tue, 26 May 2015, 00:51:49
What can I/we do to get more people on board? If we don't make MOQ, rsadek will cry for days like a baby who lost his binky.
-R
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 28 May 2015, 08:03:17
Friends, we need this keyset! This GB has gotta happen. It is going to be so amazingly amazing!
What can I/we do to get more people on board? If we don't make MOQ, rsadek will cry for days like a baby who lost his binky.
-R
I feel the same way. This set includes so much for many different layouts.
I'm afraid with all the stuff going on CTRLALT and PMK this isn't going to make it. I hope I'm wrong, because this set I absolutely NEED.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 28 May 2015, 09:07:59
Of course helping to spread the word on any other relevant sites, and telling everyone they are simply wrong for wanting any other keycap set can only help.
Post by: unipsykal on Thu, 28 May 2015, 10:00:38
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 28 May 2015, 11:29:25
Can the deadline be extended if we don't hit the MOQ? I can wait longer for it to happen rather than not at all
+1 :thumb:
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 28 May 2015, 11:35:07
Can the deadline be extended if we don't hit the MOQ? I can wait longer for it to happen rather than not at allAre we Deskthority now?
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/0/0f/Deadline.gif)
(just kidding, I totally want this to hit MOQ as well)
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 28 May 2015, 21:52:33
I'll wait longer if need be.
Agreed with Ivan: there is no other keyset; There is only Miami Nights!
*should I order two sets? I shouldn't right? B/c money? Someone tell me I shouldn't ....right?
-R
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 30 May 2015, 07:37:05
I'll gladly add it to my sig. :thumb:
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 30 May 2015, 08:02:17
Anyone with good PS skills can make a banner? We have this month to spread the word!
I'll gladly add it to my sig. :thumb:
I made a really quick paint banner lol, what do you think?
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 30 May 2015, 08:20:54
Anyone with good PS skills can make a banner? We have this month to spread the word!
I'll gladly add it to my sig. :thumb:
I made a really quick paint banner lol, what do you think?
I like it, but maybe include some of the keys instead of just the spacebars? :P
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 30 May 2015, 21:19:59
Spread the word!!
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 30 May 2015, 21:41:32
Agreed with Ivan: there is no other keyset; There is only Miami Nights!
*should I order two sets? I shouldn't right? B/c money? Someone tell me I shouldn't ....right?
-R
Easy decision here, you FIRST buy 2 complete sets of Miami Nights PLUS 2 sets of CMYKv2 Modifier Packs and add a further 4 sets of Spacebars, then wait for these German beauties to enliven your current sad keyboards into something urbanely chic 8) .
Miami Nights shall pick up your boring life and transform it into something ravenous and lustful as you patrol the streets looking for some dangerous late night excitement :o .
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 30 May 2015, 22:10:49
I just made one if anyone wants to use it. :)
Spread the word!!
ah nice im gonna use it
Post by: NorrisB on Sun, 31 May 2015, 18:21:40
Post by: geniekid on Sun, 31 May 2015, 18:30:03
the spacebar is 6.25 on regular filco tkl ninja 2 right?
Yes, the spacebar will work with that keyboard.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 01 June 2015, 11:20:08
Post by: rsadek on Tue, 02 June 2015, 00:20:01
I really hope this happens. I check this thread almost daily.
Me too! On both counts :)
(I check twice daily)
Post by: unipsykal on Tue, 02 June 2015, 00:25:45
I really hope this happens. I check this thread almost daily.
Me too! On both counts :)
(I check twice daily)
I check every hour O.o
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 03 June 2015, 07:23:58
Post by: ShardZer0 on Wed, 03 June 2015, 10:53:12
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 03 June 2015, 10:59:12
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:21:16
How is this moving along? Well... we are kind of on a plateau with orders right now. Still around 60% to MOQ.
:'(
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:23:14
Post by: greath on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:31:39
So did you guys every post this on DT and the subreddits?
I did not, but I don't check there much anymore.
I enjoy my personalized reddit frontpage, but I've found r/mechanicalkeyboards doesn't have a ton of content outside pictures and keyboard recommendations most of the time so I usually don't check the sub specifically.
I can post it if no-one else has/wants to.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:34:01
So did you guys every post this on DT and the subreddits?
I did not, but I don't check there much anymore.
I enjoy my personalized reddit frontpage, but I've found r/mechanicalkeyboards doesn't have a ton of content outside pictures and keyboard recommendations most of the time so I usually don't check the sub specifically.
I can post it if no-one else has/wants to.
I don't use either of them but think DT users would appreciate being able to complete a Cherry WoB harvest with these mods and Redditeers would think it is pretty
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:53:51
So did you guys every post this on DT and the subreddits?
It was posted on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/34gfli/group_buy_gmk_miami_nights_cmykv2_modifiers/
Edit: I will post again.
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:57:11
There's a thread on Deskthority also.
I really want this to make it! Am more excited for these mods than the GMK Electric Bluegaloo ones, and the price is better, though fewer keys at this point. Not sure if it's the full set that's slowing things down, hard to pull off 3 buys.
Creating a 3d rendered mock-up might help a little to gain interest.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:58:13
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 03 June 2015, 13:24:05
How is this moving along? Well... we are kind of on a plateau with orders right now. Still around 60% to MOQ.
Suppose the spacebars make MOQ but the rest don't, will the spacebars be made, or will the whole thing just be cancelled?
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 03 June 2015, 13:26:41
How is this moving along? Well... we are kind of on a plateau with orders right now. Still around 60% to MOQ.
Suppose the spacebars make MOQ but the rest don't, will the spacebars be made, or will the whole thing just be cancelled?
From what Ivan has said before, whatever makes MOQ will be produced.
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:33:16
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:41:23
How is this moving along? Well... we are kind of on a plateau with orders right now. Still around 60% to MOQ.
Wait, we are 60% ish on our way, or still have 60% to go?
Post by: rsadek on Wed, 03 June 2015, 15:42:01
Post by: unipsykal on Wed, 03 June 2015, 19:55:13
How is this moving along? Well... we are kind of on a plateau with orders right now. Still around 60% to MOQ.
Wait, we are 60% ish on our way, or still have 60% to go?
Right... we are just 50% of MOQ on everything, so we need more orders. Helping spread the word about this may help us get to our MOQ.
Yes we were past the 50% mark. I am willing to order an extra set next week to help the MOQ
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 03 June 2015, 20:17:31
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 04 June 2015, 09:11:47
we need this ,make dream come true ,thank you all for making this happen
We must make this happen!
Post by: bcredbottle on Thu, 04 June 2015, 09:13:42
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 04 June 2015, 09:17:25
So I guess us Ergodox users just get left in the cold?
I think it we wanted to hit the MOQ we would have to. Helps keep cost down for everyone else that doesn't use a ErgoDox with out the added extras.
Sucks, but for the majority of people using a standard layout this is right. :(
Post by: bcredbottle on Thu, 04 June 2015, 09:18:25
So I guess us Ergodox users just get left in the cold?
I think it we wanted to hit the MOQ we would have to. Helps keep cost down for everyone else that doesn't use a ErgoDox with out the added extras.
Sucks, but for the majority of people using a standard layout this is right. :(
Alright. I'm not going to cry like an ISO user about it.
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 04 June 2015, 09:20:00
So I guess us Ergodox users just get left in the cold?
the 3 of y'all can huddle over by the signature plastics burn barrel to keep warm...
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 04 June 2015, 11:07:54
So I guess us Ergodox users just get left in the cold?
the 3 of y'all can huddle over by the signature plastics burn barrel to keep warm...
What 3?
Post by: sprit on Thu, 04 June 2015, 12:11:07
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Thu, 04 June 2015, 12:37:08
How is this moving along? Well... we are kind of on a plateau with orders right now. Still around 60% to MOQ.
Any chance you could post the hard numbers? For example: Full Set - XYZ Ordered | ABC Remaining to reach MOQ
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 04 June 2015, 12:48:39
How is this moving along? Well... we are kind of on a plateau with orders right now. Still around 60% to MOQ.
Any chance you could post the hard numbers? For example: Full Set - XYZ Ordered | ABC Remaining to reach MOQ
I like this idea!
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 04 June 2015, 13:47:12
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 04 June 2015, 14:00:44
Eh.. Not sure I am a fan of posting numbers. It just creates a headache for the GB leader to have to update numbers and such. Also it can deter people from joining if they don't see that the kit will hit MOQ.
I've heard this said before, but what's the risk of joining the GB? If it doesn't hit MOQ then you don't get charged right? And it's not like there are many/any other competing buys at the moment. And even if there was, and you wanted the set, and didn't know the numbers, you would assume, as I do, that both will go through and you get charged.
So I get that posting the numbers may be a pain, but this could be done once every few days, which I assume sit on a spreadsheet somewhere, hence the production of the percentages.
But why would seeing the numbers deter potential buyers? It either happens and you get charged :) or it doesn't and you don't :(
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 04 June 2015, 14:05:53
Post by: tlt on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:53:22
Post by: rsadek on Fri, 05 June 2015, 00:05:08
We should each double or triple our orders then when the pix start rolling and a line of empty handed geekhackers forms to buy em, we sell at some reasonable markup, thereby recouping most of the initial cost.
Worst case you, you can't sell and you have 3 of everything! No food, but 3 sets of MN to keep you warm at night....in the streets bc you also can't afford the rent. ;D
Where the hell is Elrick!!! Work your poetic magic, man!!
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 05 June 2015, 00:21:38
How do we get these numbers up, y'all? This set is so mindblowingly amazing!
We should each double or triple our orders then when the pix start rolling and a line of empty handed geekhackers forms to buy em, we sell at some reasonable markup, thereby recouping most of the initial cost.
Worst case you, you can't sell and you have 3 of everything! No food, but 3 sets of MN to keep you warm at night....in the streets bc you also can't afford the rent. ;D
Where the hell is Elrick!!! Work your poetic magic, man!!
Nah just take them over to /r/mechmarket and sell for $150+ after everyone on /r/mk sees what they've missed out on
Post by: shower_king on Fri, 05 June 2015, 01:07:51
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 05 June 2015, 07:43:58
How do we get these numbers up, y'all? This set is so mindblowingly amazing!
We should each double or triple our orders then when the pix start rolling and a line of empty handed geekhackers forms to buy em, we sell at some reasonable markup, thereby recouping most of the initial cost.
Worst case you, you can't sell and you have 3 of everything! No food, but 3 sets of MN to keep you warm at night....in the streets bc you also can't afford the rent. ;D
Where the hell is Elrick!!! Work your poetic magic, man!!
Nah just take them over to /r/mechmarket and sell for $150+ after everyone on /r/mk sees what they've missed out on
+1 :cool:
Post by: metal369 on Fri, 05 June 2015, 19:55:36
Post by: NorrisB on Sat, 06 June 2015, 11:08:44
the spacebar is 6.25 on regular filco tkl ninja 2 right?
Yes, the spacebar will work with that keyboard.
thanks!
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 06 June 2015, 23:02:23
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 08 June 2015, 19:44:51
So I guess us Ergodox users just get left in the cold?
I think it we wanted to hit the MOQ we would have to. Helps keep cost down for everyone else that doesn't use a ErgoDox with out the added extras.
Sucks, but for the majority of people using a standard layout this is right. :(
Alright. I'm not going to cry like an ISO user about it.
ISO is 5 keys where EGDX is significantly more. Also it's impossible to appease everyone with legends for the dox.
GMK is not the idea company for ergodox caps.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 08 June 2015, 20:34:27
So I guess us Ergodox users just get left in the cold?
I think it we wanted to hit the MOQ we would have to. Helps keep cost down for everyone else that doesn't use a ErgoDox with out the added extras.
Sucks, but for the majority of people using a standard layout this is right. :(
Alright. I'm not going to cry like an ISO user about it.
ISO is 5 keys where EGDX is significantly more. Also it's impossible to appease everyone with legends for the dox.
GMK is not the idea company for ergodox caps.
This a way better answer than mine. TY ;D
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 08 June 2015, 21:05:00
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 08 June 2015, 21:19:12
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 08 June 2015, 21:23:10
WOW... Fonts on side are so sexy.
Too fvcking right, sunshine :thumb: .
With GMK's, Ivan always manages to bring back a little old school to these GB's here on Geekhack. He is ultra conservative but that's what we love when it comes to designing a strict Cherry Key-set, that stands out from the crowd.
That is why this has to happen soon, the German's need to put these through their molds as soon possible because it's wanted not only here on Geekhack but all over the world 8) .
Post by: rsadek on Mon, 08 June 2015, 22:04:48
How we looking on the MOQ??!? Do I need to buy more, we there yet, what's happening?
Yes, you need to order more. We all need to order more.
I'll be updating my order with MOAR caps.
Yes!! More!! More!!
I'm also going to redo my order for 2X everything. What am I got to do with that many spacebars? I don't know! But who cares, I won't be crying about the lack of Miami Nights in my life!
(Buy more Miami Nights)
-R
Post by: unipsykal on Mon, 08 June 2015, 22:13:38
Quote
Yes!! More!! More!!
I'm also going to redo my order for 2X everything. What am I got to do with that many spacebars? I don't know! But who cares, I won't be crying about the lack of Miami Nights in my life!
(Buy more Miami Nights)
-R
You are absolutely right man, its double or nothing!
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 09 June 2015, 08:43:30
We can do eet! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 09 June 2015, 09:50:07
Has anyone posted this on any of the big Korean or Chinese forums? If not, I would guess that might help quite a lot if we could get some of those other communities participating too. Looks like we will need more than just GH and DT to pull this off.
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 09 June 2015, 12:05:26
If everyone could afford to double up... we would be there.
Has anyone posted this on any of the big Korean or Chinese forums? If not, I would guess that might help quite a lot if we could get some of those other communities participating too. Looks like we will need more than just GH and DT to pull this off.
If this doesn't happen here could we bring it over to Massdrop to run? (Yes I know many people don't like it).
Nobody can argue with the big numbers like what the TA did. Juss sayin...
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 09 June 2015, 12:11:35
I can do it you can do it. Who's with me?? :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 09 June 2015, 16:37:45
Post by: NorrisB on Tue, 09 June 2015, 18:39:58
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 09 June 2015, 18:53:29
1 or 2 sets that is the question
The answer to your riddle is 3!
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 09 June 2015, 19:58:57
1 or 2 sets that is the question
2 sets every time with GMK
Post by: rsadek on Tue, 09 June 2015, 22:26:20
OK, **** it, I just more than doubled my order.I am with you friend!
I can do it you can do it. Who's with me?? :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Considering not doing the dark pbt round to buy another set of MN; if we don't make it, I am keyless and hapless. If we do; I am dollarless and drowning in keycaps.
Yes!!!Yeeeeessss!1 or 2 sets that is the question2! At least 2!
2 sets every time with GMK
I feel the wind is at our backs now, pushing us toward MOQ.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 09 June 2015, 22:33:37
Post by: unipsykal on Tue, 09 June 2015, 23:25:26
wallet pain is temporary. gmk is forever.
Words of the wise
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 09 June 2015, 23:25:28
wallet pain is temporary. gmk is forever.
Have that tattooed upon your arse, forever :thumb: .
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 10 June 2015, 00:44:17
wallet pain is temporary. gmk is forever.
Have that tattooed upon your arse, forever :thumb: .
Already got a neck tattoo of GMK in that script font everyone with neck tattoos seems to use
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 10 June 2015, 07:18:04
wallet pain is temporary. gmk is forever.
I'm totally putting this in my sig!
Edit, done! :cool:
Post by: sbot1101 on Wed, 10 June 2015, 09:11:28
Miami Knights unite - for MOQ!
Post by: unipsykal on Wed, 10 June 2015, 09:27:34
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/J52rN0aNfYI/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J52rN0aNfYI)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:08:21
In celebration of the great double-down, I've chucked together a sig image.
Miami Knights unite - for MOQ!
Agh, I can't see it on mobile. Can you post it? Sounds awesome!
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:34:54
So pumped... time for some turbulence to hype it up!
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/J52rN0aNfYI/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J52rN0aNfYI)
So nice! I like this. :thumb:
Post by: unipsykal on Wed, 10 June 2015, 11:43:54
So pumped... time for some turbulence to hype it up!
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/J52rN0aNfYI/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J52rN0aNfYI)
So nice! I like this. :thumb:
For those who might not notice, the img links to the full album :)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:34:50
In celebration of the great double-down, I've chucked together a sig image.
Miami Knights unite - for MOQ!
I finally saw your sig...you should add in script at the bottom..."Keepers of the MOQ faith" or something like that.
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:39:34
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:57:34
I get paid on the 20th, I should be able to place an order. :)
The invoices aren't being sent out now; you can place your order and pay after you get your paycheck.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Wed, 10 June 2015, 14:21:21
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 10 June 2015, 14:31:41
When is the deadline for payment? I might be able to afford another set around July 1st.Considering order deadline is last day of June, I'm sure there's a week time for the last orders to be paid and I'm pretty sure you'll be able to pay. Feel free to up your order to help us make this buy a reality. :cool:
Post by: ShardZer0 on Wed, 10 June 2015, 14:40:44
When is the deadline for payment? I might be able to afford another set around July 1st.Considering order deadline is last day of June, I'm sure there's a week time for the last orders to be paid and I'm pretty sure you'll be able to pay. Feel free to up your order to help us make this buy a reality. :cool:
Alright, I updated my order to 2 full sets and 2 of each 6.25u spacebar. Really hoping this goes through. :thumb:
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 10 June 2015, 15:12:37
When is the deadline for payment? I might be able to afford another set around July 1st.Considering order deadline is last day of June, I'm sure there's a week time for the last orders to be paid and I'm pretty sure you'll be able to pay. Feel free to up your order to help us make this buy a reality. :cool:
Alright, I updated my order to 2 full sets and 2 of each 6.25u spacebar. Really hoping this goes through. :thumb:
Awesome! We need everyone to follow your example!
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 10 June 2015, 15:35:14
How we looking on the MOQ??!? Do I need to buy more, we there yet, what's happening?
Yes, you need to order more. We all need to order more.I'll be updating my order with MOAR caps.
Yes!! More!! More!!
I'm also going to redo my order for 2X everything. What am I got to do with that many spacebars? I don't know! But who cares, I won't be crying about the lack of Miami Nights in my life!
(Buy more Miami Nights)
-R
Order more base sets. Space bars won't save our baby.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 10 June 2015, 19:57:25
Order more base sets. Space bars won't save our baby.
Too right, Taylor's right here 8) .
WE need the base set because without that then there is no Miami Nights, in fact it wouldn't even be dusk without this all important GMK key-set.
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 10 June 2015, 20:41:19
Order more base sets. Space bars won't save our baby.
Too right, Taylor's right here 8) .
WE need the base set because without that then there is no Miami Nights, in fact it wouldn't even be dusk without this all important GMK key-set.
Elrick you should change your sig for a currently open GB. ;)
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 11 June 2015, 00:44:42
Most definitely! I figure the space bars are waaaaaaay cheaper than the full set. So if you are buying another full set to help the GB, 4 more spacebars Is a small additional cost but might make that third set (or fifth, up to you ) easier to sell and recoup some cost.How we looking on the MOQ??!? Do I need to buy more, we there yet, what's happening?
Yes, you need to order more. We all need to order more.I'll be updating my order with MOAR caps.
Yes!! More!! More!!
I'm also going to redo my order for 2X everything. What am I got to do with that many spacebars? I don't know! But who cares, I won't be crying about the lack of Miami Nights in my life!
(Buy more Miami Nights)
-R
Order more base sets. Space bars won't save our baby.
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 11 June 2015, 03:11:13
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 11 June 2015, 09:55:50
Keep up the enthusiasm rsadek
Thanks buddy :) I'm trying to! :thumb:
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 11 June 2015, 19:58:55
I dropped the extra spacebars, dropped the extra CMYKs and went for 3.
Lean and mean. No extra baggage. Slim 'n trim. Ok, let's do this!
I woulda done 4....but.....my heart couldn't take it.
:thumb:
-R
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 11 June 2015, 21:42:42
I upped it to 3 y'all!!!
I dropped the extra spacebars, dropped the extra CMYKs and went for 3.
Lean and mean. No extra baggage. Slim 'n trim. Ok, let's do this!
I woulda done 4....but.....my heart couldn't take it.
:thumb:
-R
Noice bro
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 12 June 2015, 00:27:52
I upped it to 3 y'all!!!
I woulda done 4....but.....my heart couldn't take it.
:thumb:
-R
So you've decided to really do a Group Session here.
Nothing better than a Threesome but then again going for the all important Foursome should fill your world with such elation, nothing else could compare with a night like that :thumb: .
Post by: rsadek on Fri, 12 June 2015, 02:30:53
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 12 June 2015, 03:39:53
Oh Elrick! 4x$115=$460. On f$@&#%g keycaps!
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 12 June 2015, 06:37:16
Oh Elrick! 4x$115=$460. On f$@&#%g keycaps!
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
Haha I did a bunch of those too!
We need to start a cabal to fix aftermarket prices on these though...
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 12 June 2015, 06:48:23
Oh Elrick! 4x$115=$460. On f$@&#%g keycaps!
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
Haha I did a bunch of those too!
We need to start a cabal to fix aftermarket prices on these though...
I really should have bought a Hyperfuse set :(
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 12 June 2015, 07:19:20
Oh Elrick! 4x$115=$460. On f$@&#%g keycaps!
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
Haha I did a bunch of those too!
We need to start a cabal to fix aftermarket prices on these though...
I really should have bought a Hyperfuse set :(
It's okay sir. I represent a group of gentlemen who might be able to help you out with that...for the right price muahahaha.
Just kidding. There will be plenty for sale, and I would imagine CtrlAlt will have some too.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 12 June 2015, 07:36:33
Oh Elrick! 4x$115=$460. On f$@&#%g keycaps!
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
Haha I did a bunch of those too!
We need to start a cabal to fix aftermarket prices on these though...
I really should have bought a Hyperfuse set :(
It's okay sir. I represent a group of gentlemen who might be able to help you out with that...for the right price muahahaha.
Just kidding. There will be plenty for sale, and I would imagine CtrlAlt will have some too.
I figured haha. I just didn't have the money at the time as I ordered Hack'd by Geeks instead and didn't have cash flow at school to be order to order both.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 12 June 2015, 19:22:59
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
Geekhack isn't the place for REGRETS. Every Group Buy is about the ability to front up and deliver your faith, in the religious belief in acquiring MORE key-caps for your keyboards.
Just like a Christian looking for atonement of his sins you come here to banish the evil of boring key-sets, that have been thrust upon innocent keyboards across this land. You must be the courageous one that stands against the heathens of mediocrity, the ones that think plain ABS key-caps is enough for anyone to use. GMK will set them free of their ignorance and complete their education into correct keyboard observance. No more settling upon 'ordinary' key-sets but instead being anointed into the fraternity of true Geekhackers.
We are the LAST bastion of keyboard believers and nothing shall interfere or dissuade our faith in that. ...........GMK shall set you free 8) .
Post by: rsadek on Fri, 12 June 2015, 22:05:59
Oh Elrick! 4x$115=$460. On f$@&#%g keycaps!
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
<sincere slow-clap>
You are a hero! Such bravery facing 4 sets of GMK! A true hero of the keyboard community.
The community need you once more in these are dark times.
Will you heed the call? Will you stand with the Knights Miami?
-R
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 13 June 2015, 01:29:03
Oh Elrick! 4x$115=$460. On f$@&#%g keycaps!
I couldn't live with myself.
Add in one CMYK puts it past $500.
I'd keel over.
On the other hand, I'm now poised to be a vendor of this awesome set.
Then I turn that small profit into an empire, and my Ascent to Power will be complete.
It could happen, right?
I did 4x Hyperfuse GMK.
I regret nothing.
<sincere slow-clap>
You are a hero! Such bravery facing 4 sets of GMK! A true hero of the keyboard community.
The community need you once more in these are dark times.
Will you heed the call? Will you stand with the Knights Miami?
-R
Already in for 2 of everything with Miami
Saving some of my wallet for Photekq's Classic Beige and the possible Cyrillic/Red mods that billnye might do
Post by: korrelate on Sat, 13 June 2015, 16:40:22
For example: Those CR+2B mods (in the mod pack) are the bees knees. :p
Post by: Sent on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:49:47
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 14 June 2015, 03:49:11
Just ordered. So much to love in this GB it's just silly. If you have incomplete WoB sets lying around you really need to take a look at this GB.Yeah, that's what I'm doing as well. WoB doubleshots from a G80-1800 with the CMYK modifiers and a nice splash of color with a spacebar ;D
For example: Those CR+2B mods (in the mod pack) are the bees knees. :p
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 14 June 2015, 21:54:57
Been waiting for something like this for a while and if I miss it, I'll just be swimming in a sea of regret like usual.
That shall shorten your lifespan if you always choose to live out your life, with REGRET in your heart :( .
For me there are NO REGRETS because life is too short for wasting time on it. ALWAYS jump on the necessary Group Buys like GMK because they shall always be with you no matter how far into the future you dwell.
Like everything in life, go for it and keep on fighting for what's right and decent and never hold back on anything 8) .
Post by: rsadek on Mon, 15 June 2015, 23:54:41
Elrick is right, it is going to exceed expectations, and there will some sad faces on those who missed out once the board pics start to flow.
-R
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 16 June 2015, 01:18:01
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 16 June 2015, 03:51:30
Elrick is right, it is going to exceed expectations, and there will some sad faces on those who missed out once the board pics start to flow.
-R
Too fvcking right :thumb: . When the photos start streaming in here on GH central those sad bastards sitting on the fence, shall be reaching for their rusty razors wanting to end it all for missing this GB.
Avoid meeting Satan for an eternity of punishment and degradation, jump into the holy light of this of Group Buy and receive the never-ending rapture of delight 8) .
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 16 June 2015, 05:38:57
two weeks left, did we almost reach MOQ on base kit？
I'm guessing we're still a ways off
I imagine the bulk amount of orders come at the beginning, with a steady but slow trickle throughout the middle, finishing with a burst of FOMO buyers
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 16 June 2015, 08:24:09
two weeks left, did we almost reach MOQ on base kit？
I'm guessing we're still a ways off
I imagine the bulk amount of orders come at the beginning, with a steady but slow trickle throughout the middle, finishing with a burst of FOMO buyers
Let's hope so! I updated my order too. :thumb:
Post by: rsadek on Wed, 17 June 2015, 00:17:41
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 17 June 2015, 00:35:17
What's FOMO buyers?
Fear of missing out.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 17 June 2015, 04:16:52
What's FOMO buyers?
Fear of missing out.
So we are the FOMO's, meaning we'll all dance naked around the camp fire at night :-[ ?
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 19 June 2015, 19:03:11
(http://forums.crackberry.com/attachments/blackberry-q10-f272/161897d1368634672t-space-bar-problems-space-bar.jpg)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 20 June 2015, 12:04:12
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 20 June 2015, 14:41:51
We're getting pretty close now. Lets get more orders in! If you have been waiting around to order now is the time. I'm pretty optimistic, I may just go ahead and start invoicing next week.
Nice!
All you fence sitters, get in the game!
If you only ordered one or two sets, consider doubling or tripling. You won't get another chance at this!
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 20 June 2015, 19:48:13
All you fence sitters, get in the game!
If you only ordered one or two sets, consider doubling or tripling. You won't get another chance at this!
So true, time now to start charging for hand-jobs and special kinks because this GMK exclusive is slowly coming to an end.
Miss out on this one then wait for another colour-way, which might come along to stiffen your member but I doubt it..........
Post by: geniekid on Sun, 21 June 2015, 11:56:32
We're getting pretty close now. Lets get more orders in! If you have been waiting around to order now is the time. I'm pretty optimistic, I may just go ahead and start invoicing next week.
That's great news! This is going to look great.
Post by: Jester00 on Sun, 21 June 2015, 14:33:19
Is that the right order? In Germany, we usually do Postal code, City, State/Province. Just want to make sure that I'll recieve it!
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 21 June 2015, 17:33:05
In the order form, you're asking for the adress in that order: City, State/Province, Postal code
Is that the right order? In Germany, we usually do Postal code, City, State/Province. Just want to make sure that I'll recieve it!
He's doing the U.S. way
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 21 June 2015, 17:36:03
In the order form, you're asking for the adress in that order: City, State/Province, Postal codeDon't worry, Ivan does and has done a ton of group buys. You'll get your stuff. I participated in a couple of his group buys and everything arrived without problems. :thumb:
Is that the right order? In Germany, we usually do Postal code, City, State/Province. Just want to make sure that I'll recieve it!
Post by: ideus on Sun, 21 June 2015, 18:05:48
In the order form, you're asking for the adress in that order: City, State/Province, Postal codeDon't worry, Ivan does and has done a ton of group buys. You'll get your stuff. I participated in a couple of his group buys and everything arrived without problems. :thumb:
Is that the right order? In Germany, we usually do Postal code, City, State/Province. Just want to make sure that I'll recieve it!
+1 I have participated in his GBs and got some stuff directly from his classifieds ads and it has been a pleasure to do business with him always; do not worry.
Post by: Jester00 on Sun, 21 June 2015, 18:25:09
Post by: korrelate on Sun, 21 June 2015, 20:43:23
In the order form, you're asking for the adress in that order: City, State/Province, Postal codeDon't worry, Ivan does and has done a ton of group buys. You'll get your stuff. I participated in a couple of his group buys and everything arrived without problems. :thumb:
Is that the right order? In Germany, we usually do Postal code, City, State/Province. Just want to make sure that I'll recieve it!
+1 I have participated in his GBs and got some stuff directly from his classifieds ads and it has been a pleasure to do business with him always; do not worry.
+1
I've participated in Ivan's GB and I have to agree: his administration of GBs is top notch.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 21 June 2015, 21:30:14
+1
I've participated in Ivan's GB and I have to agree: his administration of GBs is top notch.
Yes, Ivan is in the league of a small handful here on Geekhack, that you could trust implicitly with your hard earned cash :thumb: .
He has NEVER run a bad Group Buy because everything he touches turns to GOLD fairly quickly, he's the wizard of Geekhack.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 21 June 2015, 21:31:31
+1
I've participated in Ivan's GB and I have to agree: his administration of GBs is top notch.
Yes, Ivan is in the league of a small handful here on Geekhack, that you could trust implicitly with your hard earned cash :thumb: .
He has NEVER run a bad Group Buy because everything he touches turns to GOLD fairly quickly, he's the wizard of Geekhack.
+1
He is great with updates and getting everything sorted and shipped in a timely manner.
Post by: madhias on Mon, 22 June 2015, 06:55:11
+1
I've participated in Ivan's GB and I have to agree: his administration of GBs is top notch.
Yes, Ivan is in the league of a small handful here on Geekhack, that you could trust implicitly with your hard earned cash :thumb: .
He has NEVER run a bad Group Buy because everything he touches turns to GOLD fairly quickly, he's the wizard of Geekhack.
+1
He is great with updates and getting everything sorted and shipped in a timely manner.
I think Ivan is a pretty cool guy. Eh makes cool group buys and doesnt afraid of anything.
:)
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 22 June 2015, 08:13:26
This set is a must this year IMO. Sophisticated, smart, unique, and not obnoxious. Can't wait Ivan! :thumb:
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 22 June 2015, 08:17:35
Sophisticated, smart, unique, and not obnoxious.:confused: :confused:
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 22 June 2015, 08:57:37
I have the feeling this is one of those group buys that doesn't really get too many people hype for some reason, but once pictures start popping up people will be begging for another run.
This set is a must this year IMO. Sophisticated, smart, unique, and not obnoxious. Can't wait Ivan! :thumb:
This is absolutely true. And that's why I have no problem buying extra sets. :D
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 22 June 2015, 09:09:27
Sophisticated, smart, unique, and not obnoxious.:confused: :confused:
I mean it is well designed. It has an intention without compromising the aesthetics. Ya dig?
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Mon, 22 June 2015, 10:53:47
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 22 June 2015, 11:04:39
Doubled up my order. I want this set so bad.
Rockstar status confirmed.
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 22 June 2015, 12:22:52
I have the feeling this is one of those group buys that doesn't really get too many people hype for some reason, but once pictures start popping up people will be begging for another run.
One obstacle is that this is a fairly original colorway so it's hard to get a sense of what the final product will look like. With most GMK GBs you can reference existing boards (Dolch, Olivetti, Beige, etc.) or non-GMK counterparts (Hyperfuse, Red Alert) to get a decent feel for the end product.
I definitely agree that once real pictures come in there will be a huge spike in interest.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 22 June 2015, 13:20:35
I have the feeling this is one of those group buys that doesn't really get too many people hype for some reason, but once pictures start popping up people will be begging for another run.
One obstacle is that this is a fairly original colorway so it's hard to get a sense of what the final product will look like. With most GMK GBs you can reference existing boards (Dolch, Olivetti, Beige, etc.) or non-GMK counterparts (Hyperfuse, Red Alert) to get a decent feel for the end product.
I definitely agree that once real pictures come in there will be a huge spike in interest.
That only plays a small role in the equation. I'm sure the primary things that hinder this GB from taking off is exposure and price. I've said it again and again Trumph Adler did phenomenal on Massdrop. I never imagined those big numbers. TA not only has a unique colorway(which they had to custom make), but also a unique profile. The colors we are using here are out in the wild, but just in the form of CMYK Modifiers. People should be able to get an idea of how it's supposed to look. As for pricing it's so tricky. Many people want something short of a masterpiece, but are not willing to pay the premium. This set I can honestly say I want/need. I don't even participate in SP group buys anymore because of the lack of quality control.
Besides what's so fun about GMK making Dolch, Olivetti, and Red Alert over and over again? It's GMK you know it will be a homerun. :cool:
Post by: GSimon on Mon, 22 June 2015, 14:35:30
That only plays a small role in the equation. I'm sure the primary things that hinder this GB from taking off is exposure and price. I've said it again and again Trumph Adler did phenomenal on Massdrop. I never imagined those big numbers. TA not only has a unique colorway(which they had to custom make), but also a unique profile. The colors we are using here are out in the wild, but just in the form of CMYK Modifiers. People should be able to get an idea of how it's supposed to look. As for pricing it's so tricky. Many people want something short of a masterpiece, but are not willing to pay the premium. This set I can honestly say I want/need. I don't even participate in SP group buys anymore because of the lack of quality control.
Besides what's so fun about GMK making Dolch, Olivetti, and Red Alert over and over again? It's GMK you know it will be a homerun. :cool:
TA a different beast. People had been eyeing that colorway for a while, and there was also a vendor that picked up something like 400 sets last minute. Being on MassDrop may have helped, because MassDrop's checkout/shipping garantees are a bit more reliable given it's a large company who does this sort of thing regularly, but I think that's a small factor.
I think GMK buys do better when the sets are broken up, as in having the spacebars and mod pack in a later groupbuy. HyperFuse/TA only had the 1 set, the full set, available. The Dolch GB made it despite this kind of, however the color pack was also 1/2 the cost of the mod pack here, and the space-bars always do well. There's also the Dolch Hype
Post by: Malicium on Mon, 22 June 2015, 15:25:00
Come on !
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 22 June 2015, 15:56:00
And... I'm in :D
Come on !
Welcome! And thanks for your support and participation!
Post by: slip84 on Mon, 22 June 2015, 19:01:26
Post by: unipsykal on Mon, 22 June 2015, 22:13:21
I just passed a fun certification program and I might indulge in these caps as a form of celebration. TEMPTING.
This set is definitely worth indulging in. No better way to celebrate than splurging on the sexiest set available. We will all be celebrating when that day comes. Do you want to be there celebrating with us? I hope so!
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 23 June 2015, 00:25:06
I just passed a fun certification program and I might indulge in these caps as a form of celebration. TEMPTING.
This set is definitely worth indulging in. No better way to celebrate than splurging on the sexiest set available. We will all be celebrating when that day comes. Do you want to be there celebrating with us? I hope so!
You guys always make me want to break out the KY jelly, on these hot ..........Miami Nights ;D .
Post by: uJalled on Tue, 23 June 2015, 01:50:00
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 23 June 2015, 08:17:00
[attachimg=1]
Ignoring the legends will be a little different as I just did a quick color manipulation on an old photo.
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:44:38
It would look more or less like this...
(Attachment Link)
Ignoring the legends will be a little different as I just did a quick color manipulation on an old photo.
wow, more beautiful than i expected..worth doubling my order.
at first , i think this may or would happen. Now, i think we must make this happen, for no reason.
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 23 June 2015, 19:42:36
It would look more or less like this...
(Attachment Link)
Ignoring the legends will be a little different as I just did a quick color manipulation on an old photo.
Can't wait! :thumb:
Post by: shay_shay on Tue, 23 June 2015, 21:08:24
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 02 July 2015, 11:01:41
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 02 July 2015, 11:43:15
Ivan announced on Deskthority, that the deadline has been extended by a month to July 31st, because we are only ~80% towards the MOQ.We probably need to get the moq to about 110% or so.
There might be some dropouts. Also, the longer the ordering goes the more people will change their mind.
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Thu, 02 July 2015, 13:00:21
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/02/3b288671872c2dd6c1d5caa199bac3a1.jpg)
And then when it came, it looked like this?
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/02/54634fa1412448da5418aa792776b192.jpg)
These mock-ups can't do this set justice; and on that note, I just convinced myself to double down - the cyan-on-black is sick, and the magenta will be, too.
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 02 July 2015, 13:03:08
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 02 July 2015, 21:48:38
I'm glad it's still happening though! :cool:
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 03 July 2015, 23:56:45
I totally agree, I went into the same trap, only after Ivan posted the mockup, I realized how different the render is from the final set and that it will look a lot better in person.
This is exactly the problem with this set
Ivan knows from the Dolch buy how nice this colour is and that is why it is the legend colour
Unfortunately buyers just see this weird dark green shade on the mockup
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 04 July 2015, 00:34:17
Post by: madhias on Sat, 04 July 2015, 02:12:35
Post by: nickheller on Sat, 04 July 2015, 02:22:27
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 04 July 2015, 02:44:03
Finally decided I did not want to miss this and put my order in :thumb:Good decision! :thumb:
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 July 2015, 03:13:30
I am glad that the deadline was extended. I'll be able to add more orders by the end of the month!
Good man, means we should be able to see a win here soon.
Having authentic Cherry profiled goodness is always the goal here on Geekhack and Ivan is always there to make it happen for us, we owe him BIG TIME.
Post by: NorrisB on Sat, 04 July 2015, 13:36:54
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 04 July 2015, 13:59:08
Will that teal space bar match hyperfuse?It's Cyan.
(http://i.imgur.com/6GHzylil.jpg) (http://imgur.com/6GHzyli)
And it should look great with GMK Hyperfuse.
Seeing as how the Cyan, purple and grey look pretty good together (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65859.msg1541053#msg1541053).
(http://i.imgur.com/uvKi9jj.jpg)
But decide for yourself. ;)
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 04 July 2015, 18:47:16
Post by: mylove1431 on Sun, 05 July 2015, 08:25:07
Just noticed that the OP should be updated with the new deadline!
Agree... :thumb: i keep checking the invoice on mailbox .... Nd today jst know the deadline was changed :(
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sun, 05 July 2015, 08:47:44
Will that teal space bar match hyperfuse?It's Cyan.
(http://i.imgur.com/6GHzylil.jpg) (http://imgur.com/6GHzyli)
And it should look great with GMK Hyperfuse.
Seeing as how the Cyan, purple and grey look pretty good together (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65859.msg1541053#msg1541053).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uvKi9jj.jpg)
But decide for yourself. ;)
Oh that is so pretty... I want it..
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 06 July 2015, 16:03:03
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 06 July 2015, 18:35:01
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 06 July 2015, 18:42:28
I'm 99% sure the answer is no, however is it possible to get most of the keycaps without any side prints?
Definitely gonna be a no unless you remove them yourself which should be doable because they're pad printed. Just don't use acetone because it'll melt the cap.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 06 July 2015, 19:38:57
Right, the ordering deadline will be extended through the month. If we don't make MOQ, we don't make it.
This is so unsettling. Until we get an official announcement of getting this met I will be forever worried. :'(
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 06 July 2015, 19:42:38
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 06 July 2015, 19:45:56
How many left are needed?
It was like 80% of the way there and MOQ is 250 sets.
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 06 July 2015, 20:04:09
~around 50 more setsHow many left are needed?
It was like 80% of the way there and MOQ is 250 sets.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 06 July 2015, 20:05:19
~around 50 more setsHow many left are needed?
It was like 80% of the way there and MOQ is 250 sets.
That's numberwang!
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 06 July 2015, 20:20:55
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 06 July 2015, 20:52:13
Looks like it hasn't been posted on r/mk in 15 days, might be worth posting again.
I wonder how much /r/mk contributes to group buys
The problem with reddit is the way the site favors new content makes it difficult to generate interest unless you post about it every single day
Post by: unipsykal on Mon, 06 July 2015, 22:36:56
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 06 July 2015, 23:25:36
I think it should be posted on /r/mk more. I've mentioned it to a few prominent members and they weren't even aware of the GB.
ehhh - everytime you post something there everyone thinks its going to ship in two days time, Ripster posts his mandatory warning about group buys, everyone is like "wtf $100 for keycaps lololol im not stupid" "wut is gmk" "will this work on my k70 rgb cherry mx red board?"
Post by: unipsykal on Mon, 06 July 2015, 23:36:09
I think it should be posted on /r/mk more. I've mentioned it to a few prominent members and they weren't even aware of the GB.
ehhh - everytime you post something there everyone thinks its going to ship in two days time, Ripster posts his mandatory warning about group buys, everyone is like "wtf $100 for keycaps lololol im not stupid" "wut is gmk" "will this work on my k70 rgb cherry mx red board?"
We arent trying to get record numbers, just enough to hit MOQ. The prominent members are the ones that know what GMK quality is and will definitely get in on it. They just need to know that this GB exists.
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 07 July 2015, 04:17:07
Post by: skuko on Tue, 07 July 2015, 05:36:40
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 07 July 2015, 07:04:34
mmmmmmm tempting. my only GMK set so far is the orange charcoal and it's awesome.
Do it! :p
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 07 July 2015, 10:08:14
I just posted to r/mk/ someone go offset the obligatory PSA by talking about Ivan's proven track record with GBs and what notI think it should be posted on /r/mk more. I've mentioned it to a few prominent members and they weren't even aware of the GB.
ehhh - everytime you post something there everyone thinks its going to ship in two days time, Ripster posts his mandatory warning about group buys, everyone is like "wtf $100 for keycaps lololol im not stupid" "wut is gmk" "will this work on my k70 rgb cherry mx red board?"
We arent trying to get record numbers, just enough to hit MOQ. The prominent members are the ones that know what GMK quality is and will definitely get in on it. They just need to know that this GB exists.
Edit:https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3cfizf/buyinggmk_miami_nights_cmykv2_spacebars_orders/
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 07 July 2015, 10:59:23
I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 07 July 2015, 11:06:12
I quickly ran through the transactions, and they have 19xMiami Nights, 24xCMYK and 84xspacebars.I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 07 July 2015, 12:19:39
I just posted to r/mk/ someone go offset the obligatory PSA by talking about Ivan's proven track record with GBs and what notFTFY
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3cfizf/buyinggmk_miami_nights_cmykv2_spacebars_orders/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3cfizf/buyinggmk_miami_nights_cmykv2_spacebars_orders/)
Time to create some more #Hype :D
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 07 July 2015, 16:33:43
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0166/4148/products/Miami_detail_grande.png?v=1435258158)
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 07 July 2015, 20:20:36
This is for participants on EC, around 20 basic sets. We have paid for them .if the GB couldn't succeed, we will get our money returned as the way we pay. Due to the extending deadline ,the proxy may pay this to IVAN later depending on whether this succeed or not.I quickly ran through the transactions, and they have 19xMiami Nights, 24xCMYK and 84xspacebars.I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Adding these 20+ orders ,we need more 30 to hit MOQ. Not mention extend one month, the one like this would buy and double or triple their orders to help this happen while the one don't like this would not join in this even extend all through the year. The efficient way may contact some vendors to help hit MOQ, such as FENG, bunny's ctrlalt, techkeys to join in and for selling in their stores later. Then more and more fence sitters will join in.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 07 July 2015, 20:50:23
Then more and more fence sitters will join in.
That has always been the problem regarding Group Buys in general the fence sitters too nervous to get involved until they "FEEL" it's going to happen but it's like a Catch-22, without participation there will be no Group Buy >:( .
Post by: digi on Tue, 07 July 2015, 20:53:23
Post by: skuko on Thu, 09 July 2015, 04:08:05
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 09 July 2015, 06:28:00
well, for me it's either this, or classic beige.....so i'm scratching my head right now.
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Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 09 July 2015, 07:40:06
well, for me it's either this, or classic beige.....so i'm scratching my head right now.
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If you don't agree with the comment above take this point:
Classic beige is something that will probably always hit MOQ. There's more reasons for people to get a staple, neutral, and fresh set for their boards.
I honestly can't see this ever going to made again. CB is a set that anyone can always pick up and will continue to be relevant. Plus it's a hell of a lot easier to match with CB.
I want both sets, but IMO this is something truly unique I can't pass up. Wait till all those photos start getting posted, and there will be so many people wishing they joined. :thumb:
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 09 July 2015, 16:31:19
well, for me it's either this, or classic beige.....so i'm scratching my head right now.
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If you don't agree with the comment above take this point:
Classic beige is something that will probably always hit MOQ. There's more reasons for people to get a staple, neutral, and fresh set for their boards.
I honestly can't see this ever going to made again. CB is a set that anyone can always pick up and will continue to be relevant. Plus it's a hell of a lot easier to match with CB.
I want both sets, but IMO this is something truly unique I can't pass up. Wait till all those photos start getting posted, and there will be so many people wishing they joined. :thumb:
Absolutely agree with you
Post by: Delete on Thu, 09 July 2015, 20:28:15
I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
:p :p :p :p
the finally order ( form EC ) will give you in a week
hope to help you hit the MOQ
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 10 July 2015, 12:49:20
Post by: skuko on Fri, 10 July 2015, 13:29:00
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 10 July 2015, 13:32:25
i will make an order later this month, waiting for my paycheck while contemplating whether to get the 40E pack and which spacebars :)
Awesome!!! Although I don't think we'll get invoiced for a while, even when we reach the MOQ.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 10 July 2015, 14:40:31
i will make an order later this month, waiting for my paycheck while contemplating whether to get the 40E pack and which spacebars :)
Awesome!!! Although I don't think we'll get invoiced for a while, even when we reach the MOQ.
Yup. Go ahead and place your order now so it can be counted toward MOQ. You'll have time to get your paycheck before invoices.
Post by: sbot1101 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 00:27:48
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 00:54:18
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
I would put up a link to this thread but I'm also not sure if that's against the rules on MD (or here).
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 11 July 2015, 02:41:46
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Massdrop generally do their own thing
+ they usually want a cut so it ends up being more expensive
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 11 July 2015, 02:53:36
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Massdrop generally do their own thing
+ they usually want a cut so it ends up being more expensive
I think he meant as a small promotion through the discussions, anyway, I've shared a link to this set after I read that
Post by: sbot1101 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 03:35:53
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Massdrop generally do their own thing
+ they usually want a cut so it ends up being more expensive
I think he meant as a small promotion through the discussions, anyway, I've shared a link to this set after I read that
Yep, this is what I meant. Some subtle hints dropped on that MD thread may push us over MOQ :D
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 11 July 2015, 08:56:55
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Great, now I've ordered one each of those, as well!
I have never had any GMK keysets, and now have orders for 3 full sets, and 4 modifiers. I hope they are as good as everyone says ;D
Post by: filphil on Sat, 11 July 2015, 09:10:36
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Great, now I've ordered one each of those, as well!
I have never had any GMK keysets, and now have orders for 3 full sets, and 4 modifiers. I hope they are as good as everyone says ;D
After I tried gmk sets I've found three people selling gmk dolch and i bought all three... Over two weeks time
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 11 July 2015, 15:56:56
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Great, now I've ordered one each of those, as well!
I have never had any GMK keysets, and now have orders for 3 full sets, and 4 modifiers. I hope they are as good as everyone says ;D
After I tried gmk sets I've found three people selling gmk dolch and i bought all three... Over two weeks time
No wonder there is no Dolch GMK's in circulation, you bought all of them :)
It would be great if this Uniqey would at least sell some GMK blanks, I also came across 4-5 Dolch opportunities but passed them as I can't seem to fill my special keycap slots with something satisfying
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 11 July 2015, 17:10:10
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/11/f47eece6b368628d3a9f1bd04f57bb6e.jpg)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 11 July 2015, 18:28:10
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Great, now I've ordered one each of those, as well!
I have never had any GMK keysets, and now have orders for 3 full sets, and 4 modifiers. I hope they are as good as everyone says ;D
After I tried gmk sets I've found three people selling gmk dolch and i bought all three... Over two weeks time
How I imagine you with GMK Dolch
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Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 18:35:24
Hmm massdrop has some CMYK GMK modifiers up https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
Maybe we can convince people on there to get some Nights to go along with their modifiers? Or is that a big nono?
Great, now I've ordered one each of those, as well!
I have never had any GMK keysets, and now have orders for 3 full sets, and 4 modifiers. I hope they are as good as everyone says ;D
I ended up getting both sets on this MD buy as well, I also posted a link to this thread in the discussion area. I'm just going to keep posting the link every couple of days until the buy is over.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 13 July 2015, 10:33:08
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 13 July 2015, 10:38:18
Thanks for the advertising.
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 13 July 2015, 15:22:31
Thanks for the advertising.Does this also include Taobao orders?
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Mon, 13 July 2015, 17:19:09
Thanks for the advertising.
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
On the last day of orders, if we haven't hit the MOQ would you be willing to update with specific numbers needed for any parts?
Post by: korrelate on Mon, 13 July 2015, 19:19:22
Thanks for the advertising.
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
On the last day of orders, if we haven't hit the MOQ would you be willing to update with specific numbers needed for any parts?
good point... if the full set doesn't make it I'm doubling up on the mod set.
Post by: stillgray on Tue, 14 July 2015, 06:20:19
Post by: db268 on Tue, 14 July 2015, 07:34:27
Post by: NorrisB on Tue, 14 July 2015, 17:30:04
Post by: E3E on Tue, 14 July 2015, 17:46:24
what the point of buying the modifiers without the full set, can someone explain the logic?
I'd imagine it's to mix and match with other sets. :thumb:
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 14 July 2015, 18:08:03
what the point of buying the modifiers without the full set, can someone explain the logic?You can use it as moogle kit for your WoB 1800 set (at least that's what I'm doing).
Post by: korrelate on Tue, 14 July 2015, 22:08:57
what the point of buying the modifiers without the full set, can someone explain the logic?You can use it as moogle kit for your WoB 1800 set (at least that's what I'm doing).
d*mn straight! ;)Same here!
There's a ton of WoB sets out there, incomplete because they have incompatible modifiers!
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 15 July 2015, 02:40:16
There is still the "E euro_icon" keycap that messes things up, for me :) - there is also the R4+R5 mix, a bit challenging considering non-standard layouts
On the other hand the CMYKV2 + spacebars are hard to miss - I'm also considering the main set just in case
Does the keycap color match the Dolch GMK modifiers? I couldn't find the color codes for the Dolch GMK
Post by: Halvar on Wed, 15 July 2015, 03:41:09
what the point of buying the modifiers without the full set, can someone explain the logic?You can use it as moogle kit for your WoB 1800 set (at least that's what I'm doing).
d*mn straight! ;)Same here!
There's a ton of WoB sets out there, incomplete because they have incompatible modifiers!
Yup. For me, I have a German WoB set with G81 modifiers (off-center stems).
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 15 July 2015, 06:46:03
Does the keycap color match the Dolch GMK modifiers? I couldn't find the color codes for the Dolch GMK
No. They match the black on *normal* WoB caps which are darker than Dolch modifiers.
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 15 July 2015, 06:51:24
Joining all GMK GB's makes some sense too
Post by: rsadek on Fri, 17 July 2015, 04:59:49
I'm still extremely excited about this set! It's going to amazing * amazing. Onward to MOQ!!!
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 17 July 2015, 06:25:22
Good to know, I'm probably going to join too, might as well embrace the spanish side prints and double-shots of the keyboard as a theme, instead of regrets and watching others enjoy the set from the sides :)
Joining all GMK GB's makes some sense too
Not like you to pay close attention to the exceptionally fine details ;D
Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 July 2015, 09:31:12
Thanks for the advertising.
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
Any chance to get an ISO enter included in the modifiers set? I know this question belongs to the interest check phase that is closed; but considering that some are buying that set alone, it makes sense to get one included.
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 17 July 2015, 09:33:25
Thanks for the advertising.
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
Any chance to get an ISO enter included in the modifiers set? I know this question belongs to the interest check phase that is closed; but considering that some are buying that set alone, it makes sense to get one included.
I think it will not be hard to find someone that won't be using his ISO enter and is willing to let it go.
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 17 July 2015, 10:02:18
Good to know, I'm probably going to join too, might as well embrace the spanish side prints and double-shots of the keyboard as a theme, instead of regrets and watching others enjoy the set from the sides :)
Joining all GMK GB's makes some sense too
Not like you to pay close attention to the exceptionally fine details ;D
true :)
worst case scenario, the icon-less modifiers are impressive
I wonder the reasoning behind the spanish prints, I'm guessing there was a demand for such a set, this should be a dream come true for some people I guess
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 17 July 2015, 10:53:25
From IC thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70463.msg1702217#msg1702217Good to know, I'm probably going to join too, might as well embrace the spanish side prints and double-shots of the keyboard as a theme, instead of regrets and watching others enjoy the set from the sides :)
Joining all GMK GB's makes some sense too
Not like you to pay close attention to the exceptionally fine details ;D
true :)
worst case scenario, the icon-less modifiers are impressive
I wonder the reasoning behind the spanish prints, I'm guessing there was a demand for such a set, this should be a dream come true for some people I guess
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Yes, of course Spanish fits the Miami theme as it is probably almost as widely spoken there as English. Spanish is also one of the largest spoken languages on the planet. It's also part of my larger plan of working through major languages. It's been very clear that there isn't enough support for dedicated doubleshot keys for various other language layouts on a cost to demand basis. Adding side pad printing however does not dramatically raise the price, while still offering legends besides US ANSI which I hope will further gain additional interest from those who use the respective layout daily. Eventually I would like to offer sets that have side printed German, Italian, French, Russian, and so on.
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 17 July 2015, 11:03:46
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 17 July 2015, 11:13:01
That's very enlightening thank youI like the additional pad prints. It adds a some flavor to the sets and Ivan said that it's pretty cheap. Also, side-prints don't wear out.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 July 2015, 12:53:51
Thanks for the advertising.
If nothing else, we are good to go on all spacebars. CMYKv2 is very close. Still need quite a few orders on the full set but we are making progress.
Any chance to get an ISO enter included in the modifiers set? I know this question belongs to the interest check phase that is closed; but considering that some are buying that set alone, it makes sense to get one included.
I think it will not be hard to find someone that won't be using his ISO enter and is willing to let it go.
Right, if the main set makes it, it would not be that hard to get one; but, if it does not?
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 06:07:50
Post by: Jokrik on Sat, 18 July 2015, 08:13:52
Are we there yet?Are we there yet?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 18 July 2015, 10:21:08
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 18 July 2015, 10:52:23
CMYKv2 is good, still need about 50 more full sets.Considering you said we were about 80% MOQ at the end of June (http://deskthority.net/post239435.html#p239435):
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Since we are still about 80% of MOQ, I am going to go ahead and extend the ordering period another month.This leaves me very pessimistic, because it means basically zero new orders for the main set until now. :(
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 18 July 2015, 12:36:56
CMYKv2 is good, still need about 50 more full sets.Considering you said we were about 80% MOQ at the end of June (http://deskthority.net/post239435.html#p239435):QuoteSince we are still about 80% of MOQ, I am going to go ahead and extend the ordering period another month.This leaves me very pessimistic, because it means basically zero new orders for the main set until now. :(
There are probably last minute stalkers like me too
I just shipped my first GMK set, going to inspect them before committing for a new one
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 18 July 2015, 14:33:08
Everyone with decent Photoshop-skills, please help me out!
Screw the GMK render, here's a better version:
(http://i.imgur.com/1yiIh5e.png)
Reallife examples taken from: https://i.imgur.com/94CxFfr.jpg
More examples: (original pictures stolen from around the forum)
(http://i.imgur.com/p6SwiM7.png)
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))
(http://i.imgur.com/KlbPg3R.png)
(Original by IvanIvanovich, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67398.msg1583647#msg1583647))
(http://i.imgur.com/WMXt0Yx.png)
(Original by MMB, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32704.msg618338#msg618338))
What do you think about the mockups? Maybe we can add them to the OP.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 18 July 2015, 14:43:48
I think we have to step up our mockup game here. The GMK render looks really lame, especially the cyan.
Everyone with decent Photoshop-skills, please help me out!
Screw the GMK render, here's a better one:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ziCXdRn.png)
More examples: (original pictures stolen from around the forum)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6SwiM7.png)
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KlbPg3R.png)
(Original by IvanIvanovich, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67398.msg1583647#msg1583647))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WMXt0Yx.png)
(Original by MMB, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32704.msg618338#msg618338))
What do you think about the mockups? Maybe we can add them to the OP.
Funny I wanted to put this up on my RS3, but these mixed profiles would drive me insane. :'(
Post by: Blackhawk on Sat, 18 July 2015, 14:53:40
I think we have to step up our mockup game here. The GMK render looks really lame, especially the cyan.
Everyone with decent Photoshop-skills, please help me out!
Screw the GMK render, here's a better one:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1yiIh5e.png)
Reallife examples taken from: https://i.imgur.com/94CxFfr.jpg
More examples: (original pictures stolen from around the forum)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6SwiM7.png)
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KlbPg3R.png)
(Original by IvanIvanovich, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67398.msg1583647#msg1583647))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WMXt0Yx.png)
(Original by MMB, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32704.msg618338#msg618338))
What do you think about the mockups? Maybe we can add them to the OP.
Those are some very nice mockups. Great job!
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 18 July 2015, 14:57:54
I think we have to step up our mockup game here. The GMK render looks really lame, especially the cyan.Wow these look great! If I'm able to sell a board in the next week I'll be placing an order for a second set. Or more...
Everyone with decent Photoshop-skills, please help me out!
Screw the GMK render, here's a better one:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1yiIh5e.png)
Reallife examples taken from: https://i.imgur.com/94CxFfr.jpg
More examples: (original pictures stolen from around the forum)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6SwiM7.png)
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KlbPg3R.png)
(Original by IvanIvanovich, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67398.msg1583647#msg1583647))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WMXt0Yx.png)
(Original by MMB, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32704.msg618338#msg618338))
What do you think about the mockups? Maybe we can add them to the OP.
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 18 July 2015, 14:58:00
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))
This is what I live for. <3
Post by: lolpes on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:00:53
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:07:46
Well guess this+electric bluegaloo do an awesome combo!
Would these legends and the elecric blue go? I hope so, I have an order of both!
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:13:55
Well guess this+electric bluegaloo do an awesome combo!
Would these legends and the elecric blue go? I hope so, I have an order of both!
You mean cyan and blue? Not sure. It might work?
I could try shooting some keys in both colors side by side when I get home.
Post by: lolpes on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:15:12
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:28:29
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:29:08
Maybe, no reason why it shouldn't ;) the only issue would be white legends on electric bluegaloo vs black caps on this :/
Well guess this+electric bluegaloo do an awesome combo!
Would these legends and the elecric blue go? I hope so, I have an order of both!
Well guess this+electric bluegaloo do an awesome combo!
Would these legends and the elecric blue go? I hope so, I have an order of both!
You mean cyan and blue? Not sure. It might work?
I could try shooting some keys in both colors side by side when I get home.
God no. Not only do the legends clash but the blue/cyan would too.
Nonono. This is like CMYK with dolch. Please spare my eyes.
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:30:09
I totally missed the hmm cmyk mods gb earlier this year. Meh.
I'm not trying to be nitpicky but it was CMYW.
WHITE not KEY.
CMYW is running on massdrop right now if you want it
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
CMYK hasnt been run since ivan did it two years ago.
I'm only posting this because EVERYONE is calling them the wrong thing, and we really need to differentiate the two sets.
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:43:52
I totally missed the hmm cmyk mods gb earlier this year. Meh.
I'm not trying to be nitpicky but it was CMYW.
WHITE not KEY.
CMYW is running on massdrop right now if you want it
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-modifier-keys
CMYK hasnt been run since ivan did it two years ago.
I'm only posting this because EVERYONE is calling them the wrong thing, and we really need to differentiate the two sets.
Oh, I actually mis-remembered, I really thought it was the CMYK that was on (I have already ordered the CMYW off massdrop), thanks for the correction.
Up until recently I used to get them wrong all the ruddy time.
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 18 July 2015, 15:45:39
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:20:06
And maybe the electric blue could work in there as well.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 18 July 2015, 16:25:36
I'm actually more excited about mixing this with Hyperfuse. You could mix to make the combo either more cyan/gray/black or pink/purple.
And maybe the electric blue could work in there as well.
hmm hmm hmm
let me start looking for hyperfuse sellers fast
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 18:36:58
I'm actually more excited about mixing this with Hyperfuse. You could mix to make the combo either more cyan/gray/black or pink/purple.
And maybe the electric blue could work in there as well.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/fangirl.gif)
OMGOD! The proverbial penny has just dropped! The cyan on the Miami Nights alphas (UN6037) is the same as the cyan used on Hyperfuse?!?!?!?! I really hope this GB takes off...
COME ON PEOPLE, LET"S GET THOSE ORDERS IN
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/hey.gif)
sorry, went a little reaction gif crazy... I have now been sedated.
Post by: stillgray on Sat, 18 July 2015, 21:38:45
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 18 July 2015, 21:41:46
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 23:00:11
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Sat, 18 July 2015, 23:12:02
So if I want to add to my order, I am assuming I just order through the normal mechanism and my PayPal id will be used to group all my orders?
You would create a new order with the total items you want. So if you had 1 Full set but wanted to get 2 Full sets, you would fill out an order for 2 full sets and your old order gets deleted.
FAQ:
Q: How much is shipping?
A: Shipping cost varies. I may suggest you can go to USPS.com and choose calculate a price to get an estimate. Each full set will be around 7oz, CMYKv2 about 3oz, each pair of spacebars around 1oz. It will show you the prices for each options of first class and priority (express).
Q: Can I change my order? How do I change my order?
A: Please resubmit the form, the older order will be deleted.
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 23:15:15
So if I want to add to my order, I am assuming I just order through the normal mechanism and my PayPal id will be used to group all my orders?
You would create a new order with the total items you want. So if you had 1 Full set but wanted to get 2 Full sets, you would fill out an order for 2 full sets and your old order gets deleted.
FAQ:
Q: How much is shipping?
A: Shipping cost varies. I may suggest you can go to USPS.com and choose calculate a price to get an estimate. Each full set will be around 7oz, CMYKv2 about 3oz, each pair of spacebars around 1oz. It will show you the prices for each options of first class and priority (express).
Q: Can I change my order? How do I change my order?
A: Please resubmit the form, the older order will be deleted.
And this is standard practice, only the latest order is acknowledged? Ok... I wanted to add the mods and some spacebars, will just reorder.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Sat, 18 July 2015, 23:24:00
So if I want to add to my order, I am assuming I just order through the normal mechanism and my PayPal id will be used to group all my orders?
You would create a new order with the total items you want. So if you had 1 Full set but wanted to get 2 Full sets, you would fill out an order for 2 full sets and your old order gets deleted.
FAQ:
Q: How much is shipping?
A: Shipping cost varies. I may suggest you can go to USPS.com and choose calculate a price to get an estimate. Each full set will be around 7oz, CMYKv2 about 3oz, each pair of spacebars around 1oz. It will show you the prices for each options of first class and priority (express).
Q: Can I change my order? How do I change my order?
A: Please resubmit the form, the older order will be deleted.
And this is standard practice, only the latest order is acknowledged? Ok... I wanted to add the mods and some spacebars, will just reorder.
It's easier and more accurate to track what someone actually wants then by piecing together multiple order forms. This way it is 1 order form, 1 invoice.
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 18 July 2015, 23:26:38
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 18 July 2015, 23:53:52
MOAR SETS NOW
Post by: effectiveduck on Sun, 19 July 2015, 00:24:02
I think we have to step up our mockup game here. The GMK render looks really lame, especially the cyan.
Everyone with decent Photoshop-skills, please help me out!
Screw the GMK render, here's a better version:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1yiIh5e.png)
Reallife examples taken from: https://i.imgur.com/94CxFfr.jpg
More examples: (original pictures stolen from around the forum)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6SwiM7.png)
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KlbPg3R.png)
(Original by IvanIvanovich, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67398.msg1583647#msg1583647))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WMXt0Yx.png)
(Original by MMB, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32704.msg618338#msg618338))
What do you think about the mockups? Maybe we can add them to the OP.
Damn that makes it look so much better than original mock-up, so sexy! Dat_cyan :-*
Still a few too many style choices I disagree with to jump in on the main set (+ can't afford at the moment) but definitely in for CYMK v2 and a bunch of spacebars. :thumb:
Post by: Bravo~ on Sun, 19 July 2015, 08:39:09
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 19 July 2015, 10:18:55
Nice,Just ordered my set.In for two of everything!
Bravo, Bravo!
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 19 July 2015, 10:44:29
Nice,Just ordered my set.In for two of everything!
Bravo, Bravo!
Excellent.... 48 and counting.
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 19 July 2015, 10:53:29
Updated numbers: 23xMiami Nights, 28xCMYK, 100xspacebarsI quickly ran through the transactions, and they have 19xMiami Nights, 24xCMYK and 84xspacebars.I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 19 July 2015, 13:26:39
Post by: Limewirelord on Sun, 19 July 2015, 14:05:07
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Sun, 19 July 2015, 18:19:36
Updated numbers: 23xMiami Nights, 28xCMYK, 100xspacebarsI quickly ran through the transactions, and they have 19xMiami Nights, 24xCMYK and 84xspacebars.I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Any idea how the orders from there are being placed? Are they submitting individual ordered or waiting to the lady day to submit a bulk order.
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 19 July 2015, 18:26:53
Updated numbers: 23xMiami Nights, 28xCMYK, 100xspacebarsI quickly ran through the transactions, and they have 19xMiami Nights, 24xCMYK and 84xspacebars.I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Any idea how the orders from there are being placed? Are they submitting individual ordered or waiting to the lady day to submit a bulk order.
This is for participants on EC, around 20 basic sets. We have paid for them .if the GB couldn't succeed, we will get our money returned as the way we pay. Due to the extending deadline ,the proxy may pay this to IVAN later depending on whether this succeed or not.
Adding these 20+ orders ,we need more 30 to hit MOQ. Not mention extend one month, the one like this would buy and double or triple their orders to help this happen while the one don't like this would not join in this even extend all through the year. The efficient way may contact some vendors to help hit MOQ, such as FENG, bunny's ctrlalt, techkeys to join in and for selling in their stores later. Then more and more fence sitters will join in.
I've also asked shower_king to post the mockups over at Enjoyclick. Maybe it helps...
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 19 July 2015, 20:19:20
Updated numbers: 23xMiami Nights, 28xCMYK, 100xspacebarsI quickly ran through the transactions, and they have 19xMiami Nights, 24xCMYK and 84xspacebars.I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Any idea how the orders from there are being placed? Are they submitting individual ordered or waiting to the lady day to submit a bulk order.This is for participants on EC, around 20 basic sets. We have paid for them .if the GB couldn't succeed, we will get our money returned as the way we pay. Due to the extending deadline ,the proxy may pay this to IVAN later depending on whether this succeed or not.
Adding these 20+ orders ,we need more 30 to hit MOQ. Not mention extend one month, the one like this would buy and double or triple their orders to help this happen while the one don't like this would not join in this even extend all through the year. The efficient way may contact some vendors to help hit MOQ, such as FENG, bunny's ctrlalt, techkeys to join in and for selling in their stores later. Then more and more fence sitters will join in.
I've also asked shower_king to post the mockups over at Enjoyclick. Maybe it helps...
hi, bro, i have received your PM.
On this Miami Night Set, i am just a participant and keen on this set and like this very much. On EC, a chinese keyborad enthusiast forum, a reliable proxy is in charge of this GB. He has collected all the orders on miami night set and i think he has PM IVAN. This GB extend to July, 12 on EC. So ,there won't any orders from China excluding someone submit their orders seperately on GH.
As I have said before, those who like this would buy this as soon as possible , those who could afford would double and triple this as soon as possiple and more than two months have left enough time for their wallet to recover. However, for those who don't like this , even posting the most beautiful real and charming and attractive keycaps' picture, even extending all through the year, they won't join in this GB.
No matter this GB succeed or not ,thank you very much and your great work will be appeciated by me. because i like this GB so much.
I almost wanna to buy 30 set of basic set and mod set to help this GB hit MOQ. However, 30 set is my limit , adding this , there are only 230. what a shame we could not make this happen ,make our dreams come true.
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 19 July 2015, 20:55:15
Updated numbers: 23xMiami Nights, 28xCMYK, 100xspacebarsI quickly ran through the transactions, and they have 19xMiami Nights, 24xCMYK and 84xspacebars.I wonder if they've already submitted their order: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-7236427964.7.sVeHRr&id=45097515091 :rolleyes:
I'll go out on a limb and guess not... I have no large orders. A big group order could easily tip us, so it would be nice to know about such things.
Any idea how the orders from there are being placed? Are they submitting individual ordered or waiting to the lady day to submit a bulk order.This is for participants on EC, around 20 basic sets. We have paid for them .if the GB couldn't succeed, we will get our money returned as the way we pay. Due to the extending deadline ,the proxy may pay this to IVAN later depending on whether this succeed or not.
Adding these 20+ orders ,we need more 30 to hit MOQ. Not mention extend one month, the one like this would buy and double or triple their orders to help this happen while the one don't like this would not join in this even extend all through the year. The efficient way may contact some vendors to help hit MOQ, such as FENG, bunny's ctrlalt, techkeys to join in and for selling in their stores later. Then more and more fence sitters will join in.
I've also asked shower_king to post the mockups over at Enjoyclick. Maybe it helps...
This GB on EC is over.Even many friends from China could not submit orders through google form, they could see all the pictures you have sent to me .
Accoding to the IVAN said , adding the EC's orders , we reach the 200. I think the effcient way is to contact some vendors such as tenkeys ,ctrlalt and new KappaKapps to buy the last 50 to help hit MOQ. They could sell this on their website.
Post by: skuko on Mon, 20 July 2015, 03:06:42
I think we have to step up our mockup game here. The GMK render looks really lame, especially the cyan.
Everyone with decent Photoshop-skills, please help me out!
Screw the GMK render, here's a better version:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1yiIh5e.png)
Reallife examples taken from: https://i.imgur.com/94CxFfr.jpg
More examples: (original pictures stolen from around the forum)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6SwiM7.png)
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KlbPg3R.png)
(Original by IvanIvanovich, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67398.msg1583647#msg1583647))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WMXt0Yx.png)
(Original by MMB, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32704.msg618338#msg618338))
What do you think about the mockups? Maybe we can add them to the OP.
dammit! that does it! i'm placing my order TODAY!
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 03:39:57
dammit! that does it! i'm placing my order TODAY!That's fantastic! Thanks for supporting the effort. You won't regret getting in on the GMK awesomeness. ;D
Post by: skuko on Mon, 20 July 2015, 04:38:46
dammit! that does it! i'm placing my order TODAY!That's fantastic! Thanks for supporting the effort. You won't regret getting in on the GMK awesomeness. ;D
i know i wont, i already have the orange on charcoal set :)
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 05:24:12
C'mon, join today and make this keycap happy!
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Post by: geniekid on Mon, 20 July 2015, 08:43:32
I think we have to step up our mockup game here. The GMK render looks really lame, especially the cyan.
Everyone with decent Photoshop-skills, please help me out!
Screw the GMK render, here's a better version:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1yiIh5e.png)
Reallife examples taken from: https://i.imgur.com/94CxFfr.jpg
More examples: (original pictures stolen from around the forum)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6SwiM7.png)
(Original by Photoelectric, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.msg1743430#msg1743430))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KlbPg3R.png)
(Original by IvanIvanovich, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67398.msg1583647#msg1583647))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WMXt0Yx.png)
(Original by MMB, Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32704.msg618338#msg618338))
What do you think about the mockups? Maybe we can add them to the OP.
Nice mockups! The set looks as good as it does in my head :))
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 08:56:43
[...]Thanks! I'm a little embarrassed about the lines were I cut the images apart for the two colors. Guess it gives more of a mockup feeling... :p
Nice mockups! The set looks as good as it does in my head :))
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 20 July 2015, 09:19:55
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 20 July 2015, 09:26:44
We're getting closer. If people would not resubmit orders to delete full sets and/or cmykv2 we would have probably reached the goal some time ago. Much respect to those that resubmitted to ADD. Let's do everything we can to make this a reality. It will be a real shame to fall on our face and give up so close to the finish line.
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/japiekrekel/we-can-do-it.gif)
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 09:35:10
We're getting closer. If people would not resubmit orders to delete full sets and/or cmykv2 we would have probably reached the goal some time ago. Much respect to those that resubmitted to ADD. Let's do everything we can to make this a reality. It will be a real shame to fall on our face and give up so close to the finish line.Seems like they want to add to their order and don't know their previous order gets replaced completely!
So, if anyone is unsure about their order, just submit a complete order again (and make sure to increase your Miami Nights count by one ;)).
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 09:54:11
We're getting closer. If people would not resubmit orders to delete full sets and/or cmykv2 we would have probably reached the goal some time ago. Much respect to those that resubmitted to ADD. Let's do everything we can to make this a reality. It will be a real shame to fall on our face and give up so close to the finish line.
Ivan, when would the final day for payment be assuming the buy reaches MOQ? I might be able to eek out another full set.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 20 July 2015, 10:03:29
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 10:13:42
Payments would be due +2 weeks from when they are sent out, which would be after the current order cut off date.
OK, I'll be able to add a 2nd set then. Really hoping this goes through!
Post by: zhihuichan on Mon, 20 July 2015, 10:30:34
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 10:32:38
Yep, I'm in ! The new mockups make sence! Ordered both base set and CMYW v2Awesome! :thumb:
The train slowly starts rolling again...
Post by: zhihuichan on Mon, 20 July 2015, 10:51:16
Could you update the number?Yep, I'm in ! The new mockups make sence! Ordered both base set and CMYW v2Awesome! :thumb:
The train slowly starts rolling again...
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 11:19:42
Those are just from Taobao. Did you go through there? The last transaction is from the 17th.Could you update the number?Yep, I'm in ! The new mockups make sence! Ordered both base set and CMYW v2Awesome! :thumb:
The train slowly starts rolling again...
Post by: skuko on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:29:35
Post by: Butter on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:53:08
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:01:58
The new mock up did it for me.:-* Thanks for joining and help making this set a reality!
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:36:55
The new mock up did it for me.
I think it's helped nudge a few people of the fence. Thanks for joining!
Post by: zhihuichan on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:47:56
Post by: nintheking on Mon, 20 July 2015, 22:24:13
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Mon, 20 July 2015, 22:30:29
Alright. I'm in. wooooo :)
Woohoo, welcome aboard!
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 20 July 2015, 22:59:56
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:17:02
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:22:05
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.
Bravo！Bravo！
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:23:29
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.:eek: :eek: Excite level: >9000
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 21 July 2015, 08:35:08
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.
yes...YES...ahahahahahahahaha
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Post by: jackiecanev2 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 09:30:34
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 21 July 2015, 09:33:03
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.
Best news ever. Thanks Ivan and everyone that joined and help make this happen!
Post by: derzemel on Tue, 21 July 2015, 09:33:35
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.
The deadline is still the 30th of July?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 21 July 2015, 09:54:28
Post by: derzemel on Tue, 21 July 2015, 09:55:03
Yes the order end day will remain the same, 30 July.Thank you!
Post by: kokokoy on Tue, 21 July 2015, 09:58:52
Post by: ShardZer0 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:14:22
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.
(http://oblivionent.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/its-happening.gif)
(http://orig15.deviantart.net/49c8/f/2013/169/d/5/****_yeah1_by_lord_iluvatar-d69lo2o.gif)
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :cool:
Post by: Asphyxelation on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:15:45
Yes the order end day will remain the same, 30 July.
Thanks for this. First time here, glad I havent missed it.
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:31:03
Post by: Halvar on Tue, 21 July 2015, 11:37:52
Post by: olijuice on Tue, 21 July 2015, 15:54:36
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 21 July 2015, 16:01:22
Dumb question, what's the deal with the side printed symbols like the = sign on the 0 key, or the Ç symbol on the backslash key? is that comparability with some other setup or specific to a particular type of keyboard?In the OP:
Quote
Featuring a large range of compatibility with most existing ANSI or ISO MX based keyboards, US and Spanish dual layout in Cyan and Magenta on Black keys.
From IC thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70463.msg1702217#msg1702217
Quote
Yes, of course Spanish fits the Miami theme as it is probably almost as widely spoken there as English. Spanish is also one of the largest spoken languages on the planet. It's also part of my larger plan of working through major languages. It's been very clear that there isn't enough support for dedicated doubleshot keys for various other language layouts on a cost to demand basis. Adding side pad printing however does not dramatically raise the price, while still offering legends besides US ANSI which I hope will further gain additional interest from those who use the respective layout daily. Eventually I would like to offer sets that have side printed German, Italian, French, Russian, and so on.
Post by: olijuice on Tue, 21 July 2015, 16:17:17
Dumb question, what's the deal with the side printed symbols like the = sign on the 0 key, or the Ç symbol on the backslash key? is that comparability with some other setup or specific to a particular type of keyboard?In the OP:QuoteFeaturing a large range of compatibility with most existing ANSI or ISO MX based keyboards, US and Spanish dual layout in Cyan and Magenta on Black keys.
From IC thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70463.msg1702217#msg1702217QuoteYes, of course Spanish fits the Miami theme as it is probably almost as widely spoken there as English. Spanish is also one of the largest spoken languages on the planet. It's also part of my larger plan of working through major languages. It's been very clear that there isn't enough support for dedicated doubleshot keys for various other language layouts on a cost to demand basis. Adding side pad printing however does not dramatically raise the price, while still offering legends besides US ANSI which I hope will further gain additional interest from those who use the respective layout daily. Eventually I would like to offer sets that have side printed German, Italian, French, Russian, and so on.
Ok cool, thanks. I appreciate the explanation. How do I use the Ç on a standard keyboard besides having to look up an ASCII table and type Alt+128? Do I need to install a Spanish input language or is that just a regional OS thing?
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 21 July 2015, 16:26:56
Depends on Operating System of course. On Windows you can add a keyboard language via Control Panel > Region and Language > Keyboards and Languages > Change Keyboards > Add...Dumb question, what's the deal with the side printed symbols like the = sign on the 0 key, or the Ç symbol on the backslash key? is that comparability with some other setup or specific to a particular type of keyboard?In the OP:QuoteFeaturing a large range of compatibility with most existing ANSI or ISO MX based keyboards, US and Spanish dual layout in Cyan and Magenta on Black keys.
From IC thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70463.msg1702217#msg1702217QuoteYes, of course Spanish fits the Miami theme as it is probably almost as widely spoken there as English. Spanish is also one of the largest spoken languages on the planet. It's also part of my larger plan of working through major languages. It's been very clear that there isn't enough support for dedicated doubleshot keys for various other language layouts on a cost to demand basis. Adding side pad printing however does not dramatically raise the price, while still offering legends besides US ANSI which I hope will further gain additional interest from those who use the respective layout daily. Eventually I would like to offer sets that have side printed German, Italian, French, Russian, and so on.
Ok cool, thanks. I appreciate the explanation. How do I use the Ç on a standard keyboard besides having to look up an ASCII table and type Alt+128? Do I need to install a Spanish input language or is that just a regional OS thing?
You can conveniently switch between multiple languages using the language switcher near the notification area in the task bar or pressing Alt+Shift.
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Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:31:36
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.Yesssss!!!!!
Post by: Halvar on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:41:40
... or pressing Alt+Shift.
One of many Microsoft ideas that make Windows so scary.
"Honey, my computer's being hacked! My keyboard switches to Spanish again and again by itself..."
Post by: madhias on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:36:38
... or pressing Alt+Shift.
One of many Microsoft ideas that make Windows so scary.
"Honey, my computer's being hacked! My keyboard switches to Spanish again and again by itself..."
But it makes you a man then and are able to help whatever happens :)
Post by: stillgray on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:11:32
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 23:50:50
Post by: sbot1101 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 05:43:53
;D
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 22 July 2015, 06:28:56
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:15:06
Now that we have met the MOQ Ivan, when do you plan to send out invoices?
Orders close on the 31st. The invoicing usually begins after the group buy ends. I said usually though, sometimes the invoice is earlier; at times soon after the order is placed.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 July 2015, 12:29:05
Post by: olijuice on Wed, 22 July 2015, 13:58:48
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 22 July 2015, 14:02:07
I just placed an order. What's everyone think, what would they look like on a Corsair K65?Not too good, since this set doesn't include a 6.5u spacebar. AFAIK, GMK doesn't even produce them.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 14:02:39
I just placed an order. What's everyone think, what would they look like on a Corsair K65?It will looks nice I'm sure, but please keep in mind that the spacebars provided in this buy will be incompatible with a K65, it uses a 6.5u spacebar. The ones that come included here are 7x and 6.25x.
Post by: olijuice on Wed, 22 July 2015, 14:06:05
I just placed an order. What's everyone think, what would they look like on a Corsair K65?It will looks nice I'm sure, but please keep in mind that the spacebars provided in this buy will be incompatible with a K65, it uses a 6.5u spacebar. The ones that come included here are 7x and 6.25x.
I just placed an order. What's everyone think, what would they look like on a Corsair K65?Not too good, since this set doesn't include a 6.5u spacebar. AFAIK, GMK doesn't even produce them.
I agree about the spacebar, I find that annoying. I plan on keeping the default until I work up the courage to modify one of the spacebars to make it fit. I saw some tutorials out there on how to Frankenstein the stems from a donor cap.
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 22 July 2015, 16:51:39
Yes the order end day will remain the same, 30 July.This is cool because I think I will change my order to include also the full set, but have to do some math with my funds.
Post by: mylove1431 on Fri, 24 July 2015, 02:24:49
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 24 July 2015, 10:04:57
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 24 July 2015, 10:13:51
Invoices are already going out?
Hmm, I don't have one yet; don't think they are going out since there's always a bunch of "paid!" posts when they do.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 25 July 2015, 06:08:29
Already regretting not getting the main set, so I will probably upgrade before the deadline :)
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 25 July 2015, 06:13:24
I joined for the CMYKv2 and one of each of the 6.25 spacebars
Already regretting not getting the main set, so I will probably upgrade before the deadline :)
Ones mind is changing... Go on Mr Khaann, go on...place that order.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 25 July 2015, 17:27:48
I joined for the CMYKv2 and one of each of the 6.25 spacebars
Already regretting not getting the main set, so I will probably upgrade before the deadline :)
Ones mind is changing... Go on Mr Khaann, go on...place that order.
Yeah I should :)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 25 July 2015, 19:40:05
It's happening. I've secured a special arrangement to get this completed. Invoicing will begin.
Awwww yeaaaaa
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 28 July 2015, 07:58:18
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 28 July 2015, 14:18:49
(The entire set would have been perfect actually, since I learned that the side-prints are removable with iso-propyl alcohol)
(Don't take this as a complaint by the way)
It would be great to see bumped F/J's in your future GB's too
Post by: stillgray on Tue, 28 July 2015, 20:24:13
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 28 July 2015, 20:50:16
Waiting eagerly for those invoices!
I'm starting to question whether or not I ordered it now :P
it was over 2 months ago that I actually filled in the google form - before the great GH outage of 2015
tempted to redo it just in case but don't want to screw up the numbers
Post by: unipsykal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 01:46:42
Waiting eagerly for those invoices!
I'm starting to question whether or not I ordered it now :P
it was over 2 months ago that I actually filled in the google form - before the great GH outage of 2015
tempted to redo it just in case but don't want to screw up the numbers
Same here, I had forgotten what my order was, I should have written it down.
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 30 July 2015, 10:25:44
I really wish an extra "E" keycap without the Euro_icon is added to the set (I know it's a hassle and it costs a lot, but the side prints can be removed if the buyer likes to keep it simple, but that double shot euro is forever, it's not that I don't like euros, but I like to keep it simple)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:30:01
I upgraded my order to a complete one, if anyone wants to order or do the same, we are at the deadline
I really wish an extra "E" keycap without the Euro_icon is added to the set (I know it's a hassle and it costs a lot, but the side prints can be removed if the buyer likes to keep it simple, but that double shot euro is forever, it's not that I don't like euros, but I like to keep it simple)
Racist
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:36:49
I upgraded my order to a complete one, if anyone wants to order or do the same, we are at the deadline
I really wish an extra "E" keycap without the Euro_icon is added to the set (I know it's a hassle and it costs a lot, but the side prints can be removed if the buyer likes to keep it simple, but that double shot euro is forever, it's not that I don't like euros, but I like to keep it simple)
Actually, after looking at the set, I totally 100% agree with this. Especially if I want to mix and match with keys from other sets (Hyperfuse, CMYKv2, Dolch) that Euro is just hanging there like a booger in the middle of the my board.
Ivan, could we please please pretty please have an alternate E or could you pad print the Euro sign like the other caps, for the sake of congruence?
Post by: mbrown559 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:40:54
I upgraded my order to a complete one, if anyone wants to order or do the same, we are at the deadline
I really wish an extra "E" keycap without the Euro_icon is added to the set (I know it's a hassle and it costs a lot, but the side prints can be removed if the buyer likes to keep it simple, but that double shot euro is forever, it's not that I don't like euros, but I like to keep it simple)
Actually, after looking at the set, I totally 100% agree with this. Especially if I want to mix and match with keys from other sets (Hyperfuse, CMYKv2, Dolch) that Euro is just hanging there like a booger in the middle of the my board.
Ivan, could we please please pretty please have an alternate E or could you pad print the Euro sign like the other caps, for the sake of congruence?
I hadn't noticed that when I originally looked at the set. I also would like the Euro symbol removed from the E. Otherwise that will be a huge eye sore on my board.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:49:45
I upgraded my order to a complete one, if anyone wants to order or do the same, we are at the deadline
I really wish an extra "E" keycap without the Euro_icon is added to the set (I know it's a hassle and it costs a lot, but the side prints can be removed if the buyer likes to keep it simple, but that double shot euro is forever, it's not that I don't like euros, but I like to keep it simple)
Actually, after looking at the set, I totally 100% agree with this. Especially if I want to mix and match with keys from other sets (Hyperfuse, CMYKv2, Dolch) that Euro is just hanging there like a booger in the middle of the my board.
Ivan, could we please please pretty please have an alternate E or could you pad print the Euro sign like the other caps, for the sake of congruence?
Agreed, ditch the euro symbol!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:23:15
Invoices will start going out soon.
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:32:49
I guess if the "E" is simplified or an additional one added, I will regret not ordering an additional set of all :)
Without the simple "E" - I ordered the main set just for the "Tab", "Backspace" and the "Enter"
Post by: mbrown559 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:40:00
I would gladly pay $20 more for the sake of an additional "E" with just the "E" - I guess if 10 people would do the same, we would cover the additional cost of adding a simple "E" to all sets, that's how much I want the simple "E"
I guess if the "E" is simplified or an additional one added, I will regret not ordering an additional set of all :)
Without the simple "E" - I ordered the main set just for the "Tab", "Backspace" and the "Enter"
I would also pay extra for a simple E. I really like this set but am debating whether I want it without having a simple "e".
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 30 July 2015, 14:00:03
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 30 July 2015, 14:02:04
I can't be the only one thinking this is a work of art. Keep it the way it is.Agreed.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 30 July 2015, 14:12:36
Also, it is much nicer looking in reality than what is on the mockup.
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/DSC01781_zpsa9f5054a.jpg~original)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 30 July 2015, 14:34:37
I'm not really keen on making any changes this late in the game. If I can swing getting added without any pricing changes, then fine.
Also, it is much nicer looking in reality than what is on the mockup.Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/DSC01781_zpsa9f5054a.jpg~original)
I see what you're saying but there's too much going on in the pic for a clear analysis IMHO.
I would also donate a bit to help get a Simple E included.
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 30 July 2015, 14:41:57
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 30 July 2015, 14:59:33
Where was everyone during the IC phase?Yep, not a single word and only one day before ordering deadline. Similar to what went on once the Classic Beige gb finally was announced.
Post by: mbrown559 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 15:19:08
I'm not really keen on making any changes this late in the game. If I can swing getting added without any pricing changes, then fine.
Also, it is much nicer looking in reality than what is on the mockup.Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/DSC01781_zpsa9f5054a.jpg~original)
Yeah after seeing this picture, I have even more interest in a normal E. Otherwise I'll probably pass.
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 30 July 2015, 18:29:02
If you really wanted to voice your opinion about one key you had 1-2 months plus the interest check time to say something.
We got this far why convince people to pay more?
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 30 July 2015, 18:45:02
Seriously I find this kind of offending of people feeling entitled to drop something than Ivan created. If you don't like it than bounce and go to another GB.
If you really wanted to voice your opinion about one key you had 1-2 months plus the interest check time to say something.
We got this far why convince people to pay more?
Look dude, most of us are not threatening to cancel. In fact, several of us who are asking (like me) have been promoting this like crazy and committed to buy multiples of both sets.
Yes, we should have brought this up earlier. And that's why we are requesting nicely and at least three of us have offered to help pay for it.
Take the attitude somewhere else.
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 30 July 2015, 18:55:51
Seriously I find this kind of offending of people feeling entitled to drop something than Ivan created. If you don't like it than bounce and go to another GB.
If you really wanted to voice your opinion about one key you had 1-2 months plus the interest check time to say something.
We got this far why convince people to pay more?
Look dude, most of us are not threatening to cancel. In fact, several of us who are asking (like me) have been promoting this like crazy and committed to buy multiples of both sets.
Yes, we should have brought this up earlier. And that's why we are requesting nicely and at least three of us have offered to help pay for it.
Take the attitude somewhere else.
Honestly I got out of line there. My apologies, but it just irked me that people brought this up so late.
You're definitely not the only one that has been advertising(I created the banner that's in my sig). We are all in the same boat that all want the same thing at the end of the day which are some delicious GMK keycaps. Speaking of advertising has anyone made a "last call" post on reddit or DT?
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 30 July 2015, 19:31:39
Seriously I find this kind of offending of people feeling entitled to drop something than Ivan created. If you don't like it than bounce and go to another GB.
If you really wanted to voice your opinion about one key you had 1-2 months plus the interest check time to say something.
We got this far why convince people to pay more?
I try to join recent GMK/keycap-set IC's or pre-GB discussions, however at that time I wasn't even aware of the GMK-keycap superiority myself, I was just beginning this hobby, it's not like I joined the IC and only brought this up at the last moment (I only realised it recently as I was just considering how I would use the keycaps)
Most importantly, there is also only one GMK GB going on at any one moment, due to an untold but existing GMK GB rule, so you just can't "bounce" and go elsewhere
I would love this set with the simple "E", but as it is, I just joined to not have regrets, no offence to anyone or to anyone's taste's, not all keycap sets have to be for everyone, I'm just saying that this set only needs that "E" to be perfect for me (Thanks to the bumped F/J's - the set is kind of a rarity too in terms of alphas)
And thanks Ivan for at least trying to swing it
Post by: mbrown559 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 19:48:27
Seriously I find this kind of offending of people feeling entitled to drop something than Ivan created. If you don't like it than bounce and go to another GB.
If you really wanted to voice your opinion about one key you had 1-2 months plus the interest check time to say something.
We got this far why convince people to pay more?
I try to join recent GMK/keycap-set IC's or pre-GB discussions, however at that time I wasn't even aware of the GMK-keycap superiority myself, I was just beginning this hobby, it's not like I joined the IC and only brought this up at the last moment (I only realised it recently as I was just considering how I would use the keycaps)
Most importantly, there is also only one GMK GB going on at any one moment, due to an untold but existing GMK GB rule, so you just can't "bounce" and go elsewhere
I would love this set with the simple "E", but as it is, I just joined to not have regrets, no offence to anyone or to anyone's taste's, not all keycap sets have to be for everyone, I'm just saying that this set only needs that "E" to be perfect for me (Thanks to the bumped F/J's - the set is kind of a rarity too in terms of alphas)
And thanks Ivan for at least trying to swing it
This is exactly my thoughts on this aswell. I was not a part of the interest check and only noticed this set last week. To be honest I didn't even notice the symbol until it was mentioned in this thread. I have tremendous respect for Ivan as the man always bringing these lovely GMK sets to the community. My GMK Dolch set was my first keycap purchase and I've been looking to acquire all the GMK I can since then. With all the different options of CTRL+ALT+SHIFT keys offered in the buys I figured adding a normal E wouldn't be a big deal. Shows how noob I am regarding this hobby still ;).
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 30 July 2015, 20:28:25
Seriously I find this kind of offending of people feeling entitled to drop something than Ivan created. If you don't like it than bounce and go to another GB.
If you really wanted to voice your opinion about one key you had 1-2 months plus the interest check time to say something.
We got this far why convince people to pay more?
I try to join recent GMK/keycap-set IC's or pre-GB discussions, however at that time I wasn't even aware of the GMK-keycap superiority myself, I was just beginning this hobby, it's not like I joined the IC and only brought this up at the last moment (I only realised it recently as I was just considering how I would use the keycaps)
Most importantly, there is also only one GMK GB going on at any one moment, due to an untold but existing GMK GB rule, so you just can't "bounce" and go elsewhere
I would love this set with the simple "E", but as it is, I just joined to not have regrets, no offence to anyone or to anyone's taste's, not all keycap sets have to be for everyone, I'm just saying that this set only needs that "E" to be perfect for me (Thanks to the bumped F/J's - the set is kind of a rarity too in terms of alphas)
And thanks Ivan for at least trying to swing it
i think any ideas would be welcome in this no matter these would be adopted or not . Considerring this Miami have been decided, your ideas may applied into next Ivan's GMK GB.
In my opinion, the mixed profile may impede someone from join this just because they get used to the old ones as IVAN has said in miami's IC. Perhaps, we could get used to this mixed profile and find we like this more than usual. The life itself is to explore the unknown and new and get used to new things and find new happiness and pleasure in new things.
Perhaps Ivan may bring other new color-way and new profiles we have never used, and we may get used to and explore distinctive and new pleasure in IVAN's new GMK GB.
Post by: effectiveduck on Thu, 30 July 2015, 20:44:49
Post by: luckyryan333 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 01:05:31
cancelled. :(
hope for orangesickle for the next GB. :thumb:
Post by: korrelate on Fri, 31 July 2015, 01:07:05
:thumb:
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:03:58
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:47:05
Not sure what my final order was. Will there be invoices?
You can always just update it. It replaces your last one.
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:58:34
placed an order.
hope for orangesickle for the next GB. :thumb:
(60%)
magenta on black modifiers
cyan on black number alpha keys
orange on black characters/alphas
Could be an awesome combination :) (it would either be awesome or terrible beyond imagination)
Post by: luckyryan333 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:16:56
placed an order.
hope for orangesickle for the next GB. :thumb:
(60%)
magenta on black modifiers
cyan on black number alpha keys
orange on black characters/alphas
Could be an awesome combination :) (it would either be awesome or terrible beyond imagination)
Nope, actually black is not my taste at all.
The color schemes I intend are similar to the following ones.
However, Ivan seems to be interested in an another color scheme maybe.
[attach=1][attach=2]
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:26:52
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:44:58
Post by: Jarrett on Fri, 31 July 2015, 23:25:33
Post by: sbot1101 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 23:38:50
Have all the invoices gone out already? If so, I placed an order last month and have not received an invoice yet.
I don't think so. Noone has reported receiving one yet, and the groupbuy only finished yesterday.
Trust Ivan, he will get the invoices out soon enough.
Post by: Jarrett on Sat, 01 August 2015, 01:22:48
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 01 August 2015, 01:40:25
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 01 August 2015, 01:52:16
Post by: zhihuichan on Sat, 01 August 2015, 01:58:45
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:52:20
I am really glad we finally made it!
Hit me with that invoice Ivan :thumb:
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 01 August 2015, 16:16:56
Hit me with that invoice Ivan :thumb:My wallet is ready as well!
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 00:02:58
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 02 August 2015, 01:48:51
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 02 August 2015, 10:48:10
Let's get this thing into production!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:21:58
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:28:29
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:43:46
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:44:23
Invoicing done %50. If you wish to make any change to invoice, please reply to the invoice email and be specific as it is easier for me to see your order. Thanks.
Yay!!!
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sun, 02 August 2015, 12:33:04
Yes, everything in the OP is going to production.
Sweet, those are great words to hear.
Post by: adamski07 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:01:36
Post by: Edmundoh on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:05:08
I understand if you're still filtering through the orders and will happily and patiently wait, but just want to make sure it went through ok! :thumb:
Post by: romevi on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:16:00
Hey man just double checking and making sure, but I ordered some spacebars and still haven't received an invoice yet.I ordered the same, and he's probably doing those later. At least, I wouldn't put invoicing just space bars as a priority.
I understand if you're still filtering through the orders and will happily and patiently wait, but just want to make sure it went through ok! :thumb:
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:25:30
Post by: ATXTider on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:35:16
Just received an invoice! Paid!
Same here! Thanks Ivan! :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: Sent on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:38:04
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 02 August 2015, 16:58:32
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 02 August 2015, 17:30:24
Post by: Karura on Sun, 02 August 2015, 17:39:49
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 17:49:10
I just got my invoice. Is there any way to check what you placed in your order again? It's been a long time, and I kinda forgot.
Check your invoice. Should have your order listed
Edit: looks like spacebars are all combined so no idea how you'd find that out
Post by: admiralvorian on Sun, 02 August 2015, 17:51:47
I just got my invoice. Is there any way to check what you placed in your order again? It's been a long time, and I kinda forgot.
I forgot exactly what's in my order too, I'm just gonna pay up and be surprised when it arrives :D
Post by: mbrown559 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 17:53:55
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 02 August 2015, 18:16:36
Ivan, please, please try to swing that free "simple E" to GMK :)
So far the GMK life is quite good, I hope it lasts
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 02 August 2015, 18:44:18
Post by: zzoroda on Sun, 02 August 2015, 18:49:06
Post by: romevi on Sun, 02 August 2015, 18:56:42
Post by: luckyryan333 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 19:13:11
cancelled. :(
Post by: the big aristotle on Sun, 02 August 2015, 20:02:54
Post by: Bravo~ on Sun, 02 August 2015, 20:17:10
Post by: Sent on Sun, 02 August 2015, 20:43:03
Just paid my first group buy invoice. Too hype. I know there's no real way to tell, but how long does it usually take for these things to get shipped?
My advice is to put it out of your mind and then be pleasantly surprised when production and shipping updates from Ivan show up here.
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 02 August 2015, 21:00:44
Just paid my first group buy invoice. Too hype. I know there's no real way to tell, but how long does it usually take for these things to get shipped?
My advice is to put it out of your mind and then be pleasantly surprised when production and shipping updates from Ivan show up here.
Very, very wise advice. Oh, and start saving for the next group buy...
Post by: Dreamre on Sun, 02 August 2015, 21:20:56
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 02 August 2015, 21:50:23
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 02 August 2015, 21:59:55
For those of you that need the time, please by all means take it as I would prefer everyone that can to stick to their order, especially on full sets and CMYKv2. EVERY ORDER REALLY COUNTS.
Also, again... if you would like any changes to your order invoice, I would greatly prefer if you could tell me as a reply to your invoice email rather than via PM. It's much easier for me when it's just right there. Thanks :)
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 02 August 2015, 22:08:08
Just a reminder, that payments are not due for 2 weeks... but if you have the money to pay before please do so.
For those of you that need the time, please by all means take it as I would prefer everyone that can to stick to their order, especially on full sets and CMYKv2. EVERY ORDER REALLY COUNTS.
Will I be ok to pay on the 14th?
Post by: hrinfinity on Sun, 02 August 2015, 22:16:25
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:05:04
Just paid my first group buy invoice. Too hype. I know there's no real way to tell, but how long does it usually take for these things to get shipped?
Hyperfuse and Triumph Adler were the last GMK buys and they both got ordered at the end of March and are just now starting to ship to individuals (from the group buy organisers, not GMK).
Expect 3-4 months, erring on the side of 4 months
Post by: naasfu on Mon, 03 August 2015, 03:53:12
Post by: Edmundoh on Mon, 03 August 2015, 05:08:42
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 05:09:41
Post by: sbot1101 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 06:20:17
The Aussie dollar is killlling me :(
Post by: Jester00 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 08:09:10
Post by: kokokoy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 08:12:05
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 08:35:11
Paid! I have a request, maybe you already do it that way, but just to make sure: Could you please put the bill on the outside of the parcel for customers in the EU (or maybe for every adress outside the US, I don't know how stuff like that is handled in other countries)? In Germany, that makes customs clearance much easier.
Best to send this to Ivan when shipping begins down the line
Post by: Halvar on Mon, 03 August 2015, 08:52:53
Paid! I have a request, maybe you already do it that way, but just to make sure: Could you please put the bill on the outside of the parcel for customers in the EU (or maybe for every adress outside the US, I don't know how stuff like that is handled in other countries)? In Germany, that makes customs clearance much easier.
+1, this helps a lot. Unless its value declaration says something under about $15.
Post by: admiralvorian on Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:48:29
I just got my invoice. Is there any way to check what you placed in your order again? It's been a long time, and I kinda forgot.
I forgot exactly what's in my order too, I'm just gonna pay up and be surprised when it arrives :D
Turns out that the invoice specifies what you ordered, so I"m not going to be surprised but I am still very excited!
Post by: pr1me on Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:48:58
Post by: Limewirelord on Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:56:12
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 03 August 2015, 15:29:58
+1, I would prefer a lower value too :cool:Paid! I have a request, maybe you already do it that way, but just to make sure: Could you please put the bill on the outside of the parcel for customers in the EU (or maybe for every adress outside the US, I don't know how stuff like that is handled in other countries)? In Germany, that makes customs clearance much easier.
+1, this helps a lot. Unless its value declaration says something under about $15.
Post by: olijuice on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:52:25
Post by: TBone on Mon, 03 August 2015, 20:54:40
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 03 August 2015, 20:57:02
Post by: wakko on Mon, 03 August 2015, 21:14:17
Post by: madhias on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:12:35
+1, I would prefer a lower value too :cool:Paid! I have a request, maybe you already do it that way, but just to make sure: Could you please put the bill on the outside of the parcel for customers in the EU (or maybe for every adress outside the US, I don't know how stuff like that is handled in other countries)? In Germany, that makes customs clearance much easier.
+1, this helps a lot. Unless its value declaration says something under about $15.
+1 too, would be great. $25 for example. If it is valued correctly another $30-35 will be added for customs here.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 10:35:26
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:11:44
+1, I would prefer a lower value too :cool:Paid! I have a request, maybe you already do it that way, but just to make sure: Could you please put the bill on the outside of the parcel for customers in the EU (or maybe for every adress outside the US, I don't know how stuff like that is handled in other countries)? In Germany, that makes customs clearance much easier.
+1, this helps a lot. Unless its value declaration says something under about $15.
The limit is 75 euros here, so a ~$50 declaration is just perfect
Sometimes, when the value is too low, things gets suspicious
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:49:33
Never had problems and always got the caps directely delivered to my home - no customs office or anything :thumb:
Post by: madhias on Tue, 04 August 2015, 15:47:36
In the past Ivan always declared my orders 20$.
Never had problems and always got the caps directely delivered to my home - no customs office or anything :thumb:
That sounds great!
Post by: Karura on Tue, 04 August 2015, 16:26:07
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 04 August 2015, 22:36:50
Ivan, do you think 6 black spacebars will be enough? I'm a huge WoB power user, and don't know if I should order even more, in-case they all wear down.
Wear down doesn't mean that they're not usable, it's just not nice to see
I've similar problem with my Dolch set, I only have one spacebar and I'm a heavy right thumb spacebar user
It's been shining so much on the right thumb part after a year or so use, but when it's dark you would hardly notice it
6 is a lot, but if it's affordable than why not :)
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 09:46:16
Post by: luckyryan333 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 09:53:02
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 05 August 2015, 09:53:52
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:38:57
That's right. Text only, not made since mid 1980's and very rare. I thought it would be cool to have something different legends which is nearly impossible to get.That's very cool! And minimalistic.
I just didn't notice it until now.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 05 August 2015, 11:02:55
I deliberated over this set for the last few months, and just recently decided that I actually do want a set. :rolleyes:
I know ordering is closed already. Is there any way to squeeze in another order? ;D
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 05 August 2015, 11:12:35
Alright, I'm going to be that guy. :-[
I deliberated over this set for the last few months, and just recently decided that I actually do want a set. :rolleyes:
I know ordering is closed already. Is there any way to squeeze in another order? ;D
You can get mine, I found satisfaction after committing to this set, didn't want to leave the invoice unpaid so I went ahead with things, it includes 1 of everything except the 7u spacebars
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:58:39
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:16:29
So I get the feeling that this is pretty 75%y set because of the r0 profile and the singular color for the F caps so it is a shame it didn't include r3 home and r4 end keys like the gmk biege buy (but thank god it included a B profile option for winkeyless :thumb:). But i don't understand, what is the purpose of r1 del end pgdn?
1800 support.
Post by: sica on Wed, 05 August 2015, 23:59:12
Post by: madhias on Thu, 06 August 2015, 03:05:20
So I get the feeling that this is pretty 75%y set because of the r0 profile and the singular color for the F caps so it is a shame it didn't include r3 home and r4 end keys like the gmk biege buy (but thank god it included a B profile option for winkeyless :thumb:). But i don't understand, what is the purpose of r1 del end pgdn?
1800 support.
I love the set for supporting 1800 layouts! Should be with every GMK set, since the 1800s are quite popular.
Post by: Vaun on Thu, 06 August 2015, 12:37:03
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 06 August 2015, 12:58:12
If anyone of you ever thinks "Omg, why the hell did I buy this many 7u spacebars!? What was I thinking my spouse will kill me!?", I can help you out.
To clarify, Are you providing services to kill the spouse?
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 06 August 2015, 13:04:43
If anyone of you ever thinks "Omg, why the hell did I buy this many 7u spacebars!? What was I thinking my spouse will kill me!?", I can help you out.
To clarify, Are you providing services to kill the spouse?
That's how I read it. Please let me know if my wife contacts you. I'll give you double of whatever she's paying.
Post by: Vaun on Fri, 07 August 2015, 02:41:08
If anyone of you ever thinks "Omg, why the hell did I buy this many 7u spacebars!? What was I thinking my spouse will kill me!?", I can help you out.
To clarify, Are you providing services to kill the spouse?
If anyone of you ever thinks "Omg, why the hell did I buy this many 7u spacebars!? What was I thinking my spouse will kill me!?", I can help you out.
To clarify, Are you providing services to kill the spouse?
That's how I read it. Please let me know if my wife contacts you. I'll give you double of whatever she's paying.
If I end up with one of these beautiful spacebars I can be very flexible with my morals and principles.
And if we do end up coming to some sort of arrangement we'd naturally need to remove all motive for said spouses fury that could have resultet in the situation. To remove suspicion ofcourse.
Post by: JonasDK on Fri, 07 August 2015, 08:30:35
Post by: TBone on Fri, 07 August 2015, 10:53:26
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:22:02
Ivan,I think it is, in a plastic bag they can move freely and should just rub against each other. In the trays they have the force of the tray pressing on them when they rub which could be just enough extra force to scratch them.
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Post by: mbrown559 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 13:44:46
Ivan,
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Does anyone know where to buy these trays separately for storing caps? When I saw other GMK buys coming with them I really want some now.
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:27:20
Ivan,
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Does anyone know where to buy these trays separately for storing caps? When I saw other GMK buys coming with them I really want some now.
I think we need a group buy for trays, it would hit MOQ in a week ;D
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:31:04
Gmk branded ones would be so nice.Ivan,
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Does anyone know where to buy these trays separately for storing caps? When I saw other GMK buys coming with them I really want some now.
I think we need a group buy for trays, it would hit MOQ in a week ;D
Post by: TBone on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:27:08
Post by: mbrown559 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:53:50
Gmk branded ones would be so nice.Ivan,
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Does anyone know where to buy these trays separately for storing caps? When I saw other GMK buys coming with them I really want some now.
I think we need a group buy for trays, it would hit MOQ in a week ;D
Yes please!! I would be in for at least 5.
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 07 August 2015, 19:20:30
Gmk branded ones would be so nice.Ivan,
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Does anyone know where to buy these trays separately for storing caps? When I saw other GMK buys coming with them I really want some now.
I think we need a group buy for trays, it would hit MOQ in a week ;D
Yes please!! I would be in for at least 5.
How do we make this happen?
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 07 August 2015, 19:40:06
contact GMK. I would be willing to help out with this.Gmk branded ones would be so nice.Ivan,
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Does anyone know where to buy these trays separately for storing caps? When I saw other GMK buys coming with them I really want some now.
I think we need a group buy for trays, it would hit MOQ in a week ;D
Yes please!! I would be in for at least 5.
How do we make this happen?
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:14:11
contact GMK. I would be willing to help out with this.Gmk branded ones would be so nice.Ivan,
Are these going to be bagged or trayed at GMK? I can't remember and I thought there was talk of trays, but I'm seeing a lot of issues with that in the Intelli TA set. It seems like shipping these sets in plastic baggies is safer.
Does anyone know where to buy these trays separately for storing caps? When I saw other GMK buys coming with them I really want some now.
I think we need a group buy for trays, it would hit MOQ in a week ;D
Yes please!! I would be in for at least 5.
How do we make this happen?
Let's talk!
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 09 August 2015, 21:53:47
Post by: mylove1431 on Mon, 10 August 2015, 05:45:50
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 10 August 2015, 13:14:37
how is the invoicing progressing?
How many people still need to pay?
Sorry for being so impatient, but this set needs to go to production ASAP :P
Post by: nintheking on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:24:10
Post by: Karura on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:01:17
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:52:54
Post by: E3E on Tue, 11 August 2015, 12:00:52
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:39:38
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:31:24
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:39:08
I know I'm going to regret it but I have to cancel my order. Between life and keyboards I need to stop spending money. :(But your T-shirt. :'(
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:40:50
I wish :))I know I'm going to regret it but I have to cancel my order. Between life and keyboards I need to stop spending money. :(But your T-shirt. :'(
1 comma club represent!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:04:07
Thanks
Post by: Halvar on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:09:31
... so I can take care of you.So much killing in this thread.
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:24:58
Can't wait for the day when I will get Miami Nighs :cool:
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:46:19
Last year like an idiot I didn't join the Dolch GB, so many regrets but I managed to get one of the leftovers sets, there was no way I would miss this one (I almost missed to add the full set to my order :o ).
Can't wait for the day when I will get Miami Nighs 8)
Everyone listen to the missed opportunities here on Geekhack. You can not get in a time machine and go back to fix your mistakes, remember that this is a GMK purchase so there won't be another SP styled re-do in the future.
The deadline is approaching and if you miss out, the only sad individuals in the world are the losers who could of jumped aboard the winning GMK train to Nirvana and not sitting at the station wondering where can I get this key-set, when it's finally released.
Money will always be tight due to our obsessions here but missing out on a solid GMK purchase shall really hurt, like being punched in the balls by Fabricio Werdum.
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:48:47
Everyone listen to the missed opportunities here on Geekhack. You can not get in a time machine and go back to fix your mistakes, remember that this is a GMK purchase so there won't be another SP styled re-do in the future.
The deadline is approaching and if you miss out, the only sad individuals in the world are the losers who could of jumped aboard the winning GMK train to Nirvana and not sitting at the station wondering where can I get this key-set, when it's finally released.
Money will always be tight due to our obsessions here but missing out on a solid GMK purchase shall really hurt, like being punched in the balls by Fabricio Werdum.
Can I like, hire you to promote products/services for something one day? You'd be such an asset (srs)
Only risk would be the occasional use of sexual innuendo..
Post by: TBone on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:32:50
Last year like an idiot I didn't join the Dolch GB, so many regrets but I managed to get one of the leftovers sets, there was no way I would miss this one (I almost missed to add the full set to my order :o ).
Can't wait for the day when I will get Miami Nighs 8)
Everyone listen to the missed opportunities here on Geekhack. You can not get in a time machine and go back to fix your mistakes, remember that this is a GMK purchase so there won't be another SP styled re-do in the future.
The deadline is approaching and if you miss out, the only sad individuals in the world are the losers who could of jumped aboard the winning GMK train to Nirvana and not sitting at the station wondering where can I get this key-set, when it's finally released.
Money will always be tight due to our obsessions here but missing out on a solid GMK purchase shall really hurt, like being punched in the balls by Fabricio Werdum.
Preach the hype. All praise the Hype Master!! :thumb:
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:38:42
Please do make sure to pay your orders.
Paid earlier in the week. Can't wait. Thanks Ivan!
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:07:53
Please do make sure to pay your orders.
Paid earlier in the week. Can't wait. Thanks Ivan!
Onya MaNiFeX, showing everyone what a true honest Geekhacker should be.
Always partake in every GMK (humanly possible) but do get involved in Ivan's Group Buys because he looks after your order and distributes it quite quickly.
Never been personally disappointed in any of Ivan's Group Buys because he is 100% TRUSTWORTHY :thumb: . So all the newbs wondering if they should send out their hard-earned cash to Ivan, please do because he will always keep you (us) informed every step of the way as the order progresses into GMK's molds for manufacture.
His shipping is also very ordered and neat and never expensive, this guy makes sure that if this is your very first GMK order it will definitely not be your last. Ivan stands behind every Group Buy he runs because his friend Chuck Norris personally makes sure no one dares try stopping it in any way 8) .
So you see, this Group Buy is going forward with this winning team so now is the time to jump on board for a unique ride into history, as another famed GMK set is about to be born in Germany.
Post by: Hzza on Fri, 14 August 2015, 03:07:21
Post by: martinyeah on Fri, 14 August 2015, 13:05:52
Just send you a PM.
I still havent got my invoice yet :(
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:22:48
Please make sure you get your order paid up today. Your order really counts to meet the manufacturers minimum order requirement and make this a success.
Thank you.
Post by: donpark on Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:04:04
i can make payment today.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:23:26
We still have about 50 unpaid orders here.
Please make sure you get your order paid up today. Your order really counts to meet the manufacturers minimum order requirement and make this a success.
Thank you.
I can take over an order, if necessary. I'm really only interested in a modifier pack.
Post by: martinyeah on Sun, 16 August 2015, 13:25:32
We still have about 50 unpaid orders here.
Please make sure you get your order paid up today. Your order really counts to meet the manufacturers minimum order requirement and make this a success.
Thank you.
Paid !! Thanks Ivan =D
Post by: Zwi on Sun, 16 August 2015, 16:49:14
Post by: NorrisB on Sun, 16 August 2015, 17:56:17
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 16 August 2015, 21:09:32
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 17 August 2015, 03:58:18
i am sorry there is a problem with my paypal . I could not pay my invoice .Sorry to hear that. :(
Post by: mylove1431 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 12:32:52
We still have about 50 unpaid orders here.
Please make sure you get your order paid up today. Your order really counts to meet the manufacturers minimum order requirement and make this a success.
Thank you.
Omg ...... :( i tried my best with my extra order. I hope everybody who havent paid will be response the payment as soon as possible :thumb:
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:02:08
With the 1.5u blanks, 1.75 Control and the underlined F/J's
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 17 August 2015, 23:26:12
We still have about 50 unpaid orders here.
Please make sure you get your order paid up today. Your order really counts to meet the manufacturers minimum order requirement and make this a success.
Thank you.
Omg ...... :( i tried my best with my extra order. I hope everybody who havent paid will be response the payment as soon as possible :thumb:
50 Bludgers thinking they don't have to do anything and get these GMKs for free......what gives >:( ?
There won't be any Miami Nights without the moolah fronting up here so those who are honest and decent, time to hand it over. Making Ivan wait isn't nice because it slows all of our expectations about ever receiving these key-caps before this coming Christmas.
So those still worrying about handing over their hard-earned cash, just don't - because every Group Buy run by Ivan has been a success with a guaranteed 100% satisfaction rating :thumb: .
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:57:52
Post by: madhias on Tue, 18 August 2015, 04:37:20
50 unpaid orders? Omg,what's wrong with those guys?
Time between interest check, start of invoices and group buy itself may have been longer than some people expected and now decided not to get in could be a reason... I don't know that much about group buys, but could imagine that this is always a problem with that format, that in a interested check 400 people say I am in, fill out forms later, but than time goes by until invoices are sent out and they decide not to get it. Generally patience has to be practiced and trained :)
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 18 August 2015, 05:15:39
Generally patience has to be practiced and trained :)
Not if you stick to your promises and statements that you make. Those that do, find it easy to go forth in Life and achieve great things but those that back-track, deny or lie about their commitments, usually end up in Sh1t.
Where I work you hang by every word and promise you make to your crew, even when it goes against your own interests later on. But that is what is meant by being a grown up and taking FULL responsibility in your own decisions when it comes to joining various Group Buys.
If you have to back out, do it during the SIGN-UP phase but hanging on till the very last payment date, is nasty and deplorable because poor Ivan is left holding the bag here on his own.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:41:13
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:49:20
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:53:19
What's the current status on payments? C'mon people, pay your freaking bills!
I said the whole time I couldnt pay until the 14th. And then I did just that.
Anyone "waiting on payday" doesn't have that excuse anymore, as we've passed two weeks and the 15th of the month.
[and it would be unreasonable to ask us all to wait until next month if you only get paid monthly]
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:54:54
What's the current status on payments? C'mon people, pay your freaking bills!
I said the whole time I couldnt pay until the 14th. And then I did just that.
Anyone "waiting on payday" doesn't have that excuse anymore, as we've passed two weeks and the 15th of the month.
[and it would be unreasonable to ask us all to wait until next month if you only get paid monthly]
I agree and I also paid on the 15th. Even the 16th is passed now.
Post by: rsadek on Wed, 19 August 2015, 00:38:59
If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:Dammit!! I dropped my 3 base 1 mod to 2base 2 mod, I can change it back. But srslywtf this is the bestest set ever! WHY ARENT PEOPLE PAYING FOR DIS SWEETNESS!!!? Where is Elrick!!!
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
-R
Post by: MaNiFeX on Wed, 19 August 2015, 12:21:10
Please do make sure to pay your orders.
Paid earlier in the week. Can't wait. Thanks Ivan!
Onya MaNiFeX, showing everyone what a true honest Geekhacker should be.
Always partake in every GMK (humanly possible) but do get involved in Ivan's Group Buys because he looks after your order and distributes it quite quickly.
Never been personally disappointed in any of Ivan's Group Buys because he is 100% TRUSTWORTHY :thumb: . So all the newbs wondering if they should send out their hard-earned cash to Ivan, please do because he will always keep you (us) informed every step of the way as the order progresses into GMK's molds for manufacture.
His shipping is also very ordered and neat and never expensive, this guy makes sure that if this is your very first GMK order it will definitely not be your last. Ivan stands behind every Group Buy he runs because his friend Chuck Norris personally makes sure no one dares try stopping it in any way 8) .
So you see, this Group Buy is going forward with this winning team so now is the time to jump on board for a unique ride into history, as another famed GMK set is about to be born in Germany.
This is my second set with Ivan and I have no worries! I'm in line to be one of the few proud owners of a Round 4 PBT Blue Dye-sub set. So stoked for my pink and blues.
Post by: mbrown559 on Wed, 19 August 2015, 15:15:03
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 19 August 2015, 15:46:40
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 19 August 2015, 18:29:13
I submitted to take over a CMYKv2 set & some spacebars. :thumb:
You da man.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 19 August 2015, 19:31:29
I submitted to take over a CMYKv2 set & some spacebars. :thumb:
You da man.
Couldn't put it any better, it's people like you that make a Group Buy truly successful 8) .
YES you can never have too many Space bars in any collection, especially when they're GMKs.
Post by: Halvar on Thu, 20 August 2015, 08:58:31
Get your heavy, smooth and well-rounded GMK spacebars today!
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 20 August 2015, 12:33:15
So go ahead and pay! there is no excuse, except something really bad is going on and in that case a short PM with a "sorry man" it's not that hard to do.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 20 August 2015, 20:04:50
So go ahead and pay! there is no excuse, except something really bad is going on and in that case a short PM with a "sorry man" it's not that hard to do.
So true, don't be a jerk and stay silent and quiet, a quick notification to Ivan letting him know you're not going to be a part of this unique Miami Nights Special. That's the decent thing to do if you've decided to go elsewhere rather than leaving Ivan holding the bag for you, expecting for you to still be there.
Don't be rude and do the right thing for once....... costs next to nothing to send him a pm.
Post by: Vaun on Fri, 21 August 2015, 04:16:11
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 21 August 2015, 04:50:30
However.
I made sure to contact Ivan first telling him that due to me being on vacation (Japan is bloody expensive. Much more than anticipated) and only being paid once each month around the 24th I am simply unable, but not unwilling, to pay the invoice right now.
As soon as my paycheck comes in I will pay my invoice. He has my word on that.
I do agree however that if someone is in a similar situation it would be best to send Ivan a reply on the e-mail that was used to send the invoice to. Just to know if you are still buying the set and if MOQ is still in track.
That or risk losing out on this awesome set. :thumb:
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 21 August 2015, 06:05:56
I'll come forward and admit I am one of those unpaid invoices.
However.
I made sure to contact Ivan first telling him that due to me being on vacation (Japan is bloody expensive. Much more than anticipated) and only being paid once each month around the 24th I am simply unable, but not unwilling, to pay the invoice right now.
As soon as my paycheck comes in I will pay my invoice. He has my word on that.
I do agree however that if someone is in a similar situation it would be best to send Ivan a reply on the e-mail that was used to send the invoice to. Just to know if you are still buying the set and if MOQ is still in track.
That or risk losing out on this awesome set. :thumb:
Thanks for posting this. I hope the rest of your trip is awesome!
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 22 August 2015, 10:27:30
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 22 August 2015, 12:00:52
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 23 August 2015, 08:45:19
How close are we Ivan?
You probably won't be seeing these until end of the year / january
Post by: NorrisB on Sun, 23 August 2015, 15:33:28
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 23 August 2015, 17:22:34
I think he wants to know how close we are to moq not when they will come. :thumb:
This.
Post by: rsadek on Mon, 24 August 2015, 02:41:32
There were 50 outstanding right? Say $100ea for easy math. That 5k. Split by the 450 paid buyers is like 11 bucks each. So even if those orders are 2x or 3x larger, the difference isn't terrible. I'd be willing to just add 11 or 22 to my cost. It that math is right, it may actually be cheaper that way for us individually.
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 24 August 2015, 05:16:14
Curious to hear how many orders are still open. Perhaps it's time to up the hype over at Reddit for the last outstanding orders?
Post by: Sent on Mon, 24 August 2015, 05:51:47
Wish I could take an order over. Good luck, guys.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:48:00
If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:40:30
Either way this is going to move on. If I can't get all the sets preordered now, I will take the risk for now and hope I don't have any troubles selling them later.If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
once the first few reddit posts are up, they will go like hotcakes. this set needs more hype.
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:41:12
Either way this is going to move on. If I can't get all the sets preordered now, I will take the risk for now and hope I don't have any troubles selling them later.If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
Hey Ivan I messaged you twice about picking up some spacebars. Check your Inbox. :p
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:26:43
And I'm so happy I was able to make it in this buy. This is one colorway we won't see made a second time! :)
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:41:50
The sets will go so fast you won't know what hit you :) I can remember the leftover sets from Dolch GMK , even the sets with defects went fast, I know I bought one and I love it :)
And I'm so happy I was able to make it in this buy. This is one colorway we won't see made a second time! :)
I truly believe we won't see another run of this as well. This is such a bold idea for this year. Favorite unique keycap design this year so far. :thumb:
Post by: madhias on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:16:11
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:48:55
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:38:05
I am assuming others have this problem, what do we do about this (apart from not buying a ducky)?
Post by: effectiveduck on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:37:51
I am not sure if this is the place to ask this, or where I should maybe ask this, but: I have a Ducky Shine 3, which has those 4 extra keys above the numpad, the problem with this is that most GB's for keysets don't cater for these 4 additional keys, I usually have to find matching artisans for that position.
I am assuming others have this problem, what do we do about this (apart from not buying a ducky)?
You could use the extra Esc's and part of the 1800 kit if the profile is the most important part.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:52:55
Either way this is going to move on. If I can't get all the sets preordered now, I will take the risk for now and hope I don't have any troubles selling them later.
Basically I'm in several Group Buys already so after paying for this one, have already moved on to various payments of others. Would love to help by buying more but currently I have thousands of key-caps migrating their way to my house and the Mrs is going to be extremely peeved.
This GMK set is extremely conservative but I thought that was a good thing for the oldies who appreciate some colour in their Legends, hence I was surprised with the lack of interest. I suspect when these first get shipped out to you and you take the first photos suddenly you'll get a wave of newbies wanting to buy them, again we have this complete ignorance here regarding GMK key-sets and their colour-ways.
The coloured Legends are perfect because they can be used in any office situation (for those working in that type of habitat), so no worries about upsetting any Admins when they see your keyboard exposed like that in public 8) .
Just urging the newbs here that GMK is about the BEST quality key-set money can buy, so you can easily sell these if you feel that they do not suit your keyboard (only the insane would realize that fantasy).
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 26 August 2015, 05:38:43
Post by: Hzza on Wed, 26 August 2015, 05:42:19
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 26 August 2015, 05:59:19
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Post by: 64rky on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:36:39
When people see Miami Nights paired with Hyperfuse there's gonna be a run on both sets.
And the star cluster Bro or night owls, or depth black...
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 28 August 2015, 04:41:22
When people see Miami Nights paired with Hyperfuse there's gonna be a run on both sets.
I was just thinking about pairing those up together
Post by: lewi on Fri, 28 August 2015, 20:11:58
can I change, my order?
I want to buy just two sets of cmyk v2
my paypal is *WOMP WOMP*
thankyou
Mod Edit: Removed personal info
Post by: zhihuichan on Sat, 29 August 2015, 06:28:35
I ordered, but not paied
can I change, my order?
I want to buy just two sets of cmyk v2
my paypal is *WOMP WOMP*
thankyou
You can pm Ivan for details.
Mod Edit: Removed personal info
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 29 August 2015, 07:43:38
When people see Miami Nights paired with Hyperfuse there's gonna be a run on both sets.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji106.png)🏻
I was just thinking about pairing those up together
That's the beauty of this Miami Nights Set, it can be paired off with a vast majority of other GMK mods so easily.
When you purchase real GMK Class, it shall always be ready for simple modifications and additions further on down the line with other key-sets.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:44:59
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 12:13:53
I know this is probably too late and to be honest I didn't realize this to mention it in the IC phase. But here's the thing: This is the most 75% friendly GMK GB ever since it has a uniform colored F row (different colored F5-F8 which almost every set has really ruins the look for 75%'s). It also has R0 F row which is awesome for 75% for easy reach (It's not as much as a big deal on a TKL or full size since you need to move your hand anyway to reach the function keys). HOWEVER, this set does NOT have the "75% support" like the GMK Classic Biege and GMK Hyperfuse has. GMK Classic Biege has a R3 Home and R4 End so you can have the rightmost line in a 75% like this: pgup,pgdn,home, end. The GMK Hyperfuse has a R2 pgup R3 pgdn and r4 end so you can have home pgup pgdn end. The hyperfuse configuration is my preferred one but it's the more expensive one (3 keys instead of 2). This is really the only thing which is needed for this to be a perfect 75% set. I know it's not likely these will be added because the GB has already started but I'd thought I'd voice this instead of forever thinking what would've happened if I'd voice this. Anyway this is a great set and I've paid my invoice of course :thumb:
WARNING! NOOB QUESTION INCOMING!
I never noticed that this had an R0 F row, that's different, what does that look like? Been looking for a diagram but can't find one.
Why would the Function row have a different profile to PrtS,SCrlLock,Pause? Aren't they on the same row for most boards?
Post by: NorrisB on Sun, 30 August 2015, 13:45:36
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 30 August 2015, 23:28:28
The silence from Ivan is concerningNeah, don't worry :cool:
Post by: MaNiFeX on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:01:01
The silence from Ivan is concerningNeah, don't worry :cool:
He only posts when there's news. Otherwise, no news is good news. Just gotta keep waiting.
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:46:31
Yep, with Ivan you don't have to worry, he does what he knows best ;)The silence from Ivan is concerningNeah, don't worry :cool:
He only posts when there's news. Otherwise, no news is good news. Just gotta keep waiting.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 31 August 2015, 14:23:26
Yep, with Ivan you don't have to worry, he does what he knows best ;)The silence from Ivan is concerningNeah, don't worry 8)
He only posts when there's news. Otherwise, no news is good news. Just gotta keep waiting.
Unless Ivan were under a personal crisis, that I hope is not the case; there is no reason to worry. He is a trustworthy fellow, that earned trust over the years with respectful communication and total integrity.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 31 August 2015, 19:09:51
Yep, with Ivan you don't have to worry, he does what he knows best ;)The silence from Ivan is concerningNeah, don't worry 8)
He only posts when there's news. Otherwise, no news is good news. Just gotta keep waiting.
Unless Ivan were under a personal crisis, that I hope is not the case; there is no reason to worry. He is a trustworthy fellow, that earned trust over the years with respectful communication and total integrity.
Us old timers who have dealt with Ivan over the years know his integrity and he stands head and shoulders above most here on Geekhack.
If you could bottle that special essence of Truthfulness, Decency and Modesty into a complete package it's got to be IvanIvanovich.
He could make millions worldwide because let's face it, we all need a little Ivan sprayed onto us from time to time - when we lack that little bit of INTEGRITY ;) .
Post by: SL89 on Mon, 31 August 2015, 19:30:49
Post by: ideus on Mon, 31 August 2015, 19:38:46
Yep, with Ivan you don't have to worry, he does what he knows best ;)The silence from Ivan is concerningNeah, don't worry 8)
He only posts when there's news. Otherwise, no news is good news. Just gotta keep waiting.
Unless Ivan were under a personal crisis, that I hope is not the case; there is no reason to worry. He is a trustworthy fellow, that earned trust over the years with respectful communication and total integrity.
Us old timers who have dealt with Ivan over the years know his integrity and he stands head and shoulders above most here on Geekhack.
If you could bottle that special essence of Truthfulness, Decency and Modesty into a complete package it's got to be IvanIvanovich.
He could make millions worldwide because let's face it, we all need a little Ivan sprayed onto us from time to time - when we lack that little bit of INTEGRITY ;) .
I love your prose man.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 31 August 2015, 19:45:01
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 31 August 2015, 19:47:51
I'm still a little confused by the R0 function row? How will that work with the R1 prt screen, scroll lock, and pause keys?
I assume that the function row will sort of stick out like a sore thumb.
Especially if this was used on something like a Lightsaver where the function keys are directly beside the other keys.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 31 August 2015, 19:54:12
I'm still a little confused by the R0 function row? How will that work with the R1 prt screen, scroll lock, and pause keys?
I assume that the function row will sort of stick out like a sore thumb.
Especially if this was used on something like a Lightsaver where the function keys are directly beside the other keys.
Darnit, that was the exact board I wanted toto put this set on! Why is the F row on R0? Is this normal? I really should pay more attention!
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 31 August 2015, 20:21:13
I'm still a little confused by the R0 function row? How will that work with the R1 prt screen, scroll lock, and pause keys?
I assume that the function row will sort of stick out like a sore thumb.
Especially if this was used on something like a Lightsaver where the function keys are directly beside the other keys.
Darnit, that was the exact board I wanted toto put this set on! Why is the F row on R0? Is this normal? I really should pay more attention!
When GMK sets are run almost no one uses r0.
I don't know what reasoning was behind this decision.
Post by: NorrisB on Mon, 31 August 2015, 20:42:57
Post by: NorrisB on Mon, 31 August 2015, 21:10:55
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 01 September 2015, 00:47:36
So how locked in are orders? Does anyone have an order that needs to be taken over?
There should still be some sets available, because some people didn't pay their invoice.
See Ivan's last post for more information:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.msg1838635#msg1838635
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 01 September 2015, 01:12:11
I'm still a little confused by the R0 function row? How will that work with the R1 prt screen, scroll lock, and pause keys?
It will obviously stick out. My plan is to use Artisan caps on prt screen, scroll lock and pause to make it less visible.
If I don't like anyway, I will simply use this set on a 60% board :thumb:
When GMK sets are run almost no one uses r0.
I don't know what reasoning was behind this decision.
The reason was novelty. Ivan hates to run ordinary sets, so he wanted to do something new.
Sucks that the molds are only available for ESC and F1-F12 though...
How will this set look on a Filco TKL with that r0?
It will look like on any other board. The height difference between the R0 and R1 keys will be pretty obvious I guess.
It's up to you if you can live with that inconsistency.
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 01 September 2015, 06:47:48
And to be honest if we don't try it how will we ever know :cool:
One more thing, some of the profiles and legends haven't been produced since the 80's and I don't think this will be done again any time soon.
I summon thee oh Great Elrick, bring some sense back into these non believers >:D Let them feel the HYPE!!!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 01 September 2015, 10:41:03
As for the row F (0), as I stated before it's something a bit different, with the old 80's style that along with the text only modifiers legends hasn't been done for decades. Some people may find they really like it. Some may not... but there should be no problems with putting it on various keyboard models. Sure, the print/scroll/break is the row E because those molds in row F are lost. But, it should be OK and will be a plus for anyone that wants to use this on 1800 style.
Post by: lewi on Tue, 01 September 2015, 10:49:52
if there's opportunity to buy cmyk v2, i want to join.
thankyou.
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:05:01
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.
As for the row F (0), as I stated before it's something a bit different, with the old 80's style that along with the text only modifiers legends hasn't been done for decades. Some people may find they really like it. Some may not... but there should be no problems with putting it on various keyboard models. Sure, the print/scroll/break is the row E because those molds in row F are lost. But, it should be OK and will be a plus for anyone that wants to use this on 1800 style.
I hope your arm heals well. Make sure you rest it.
OK, I am hyped again, looking at the Lightsaver images more, it will be unique, but could work.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 01 September 2015, 13:30:43
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.
As for the row F (0), as I stated before it's something a bit different, with the old 80's style that along with the text only modifiers legends hasn't been done for decades. Some people may find they really like it. Some may not... but there should be no problems with putting it on various keyboard models. Sure, the print/scroll/break is the row E because those molds in row F are lost. But, it should be OK and will be a plus for anyone that wants to use this on 1800 style.
Hope your arm gets better soon buddy.
Post by: asgeirtj on Tue, 01 September 2015, 13:41:47
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 01 September 2015, 20:15:19
As for the row F (0), as I stated before it's something a bit different, with the old 80's style that along with the text only modifiers legends hasn't been done for decades. Some people may find they really like it. Some may not... but there should be no problems with putting it on various keyboard models. Sure, the print/scroll/break is the row E because those molds in row F are lost. But, it should be OK and will be a plus for anyone that wants to use this on 1800 style.
Loving this Key-set already because of it's superb fitment to an 1800 series keyboard, much thanks :thumb: .
Serves you right biffing yourself trying a Lookdown a Cliff with a 360. Next time, ease on the air tricks and avoid doing another dead sailor routine because we desperately need you here in one piece and not in traction for several months.
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 01 September 2015, 20:40:03
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.
720 tailwhip gone wrong?!?!
Post by: E3E on Wed, 02 September 2015, 06:28:10
Post by: Hzza on Wed, 02 September 2015, 06:31:27
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.Ouch, get well soon dude.
Post by: SL89 on Wed, 02 September 2015, 07:44:57
So how locked in are orders? Does anyone have an order that needs to be taken over?
There should still be some sets available, because some people didn't pay their invoice.
See Ivan's last post for more information:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.msg1838635#msg1838635
Thanks for that, I tried sorting through the thread, but Tapatalk makes it super hard. I appreciate it!
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 02 September 2015, 07:47:19
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.
720 tailwhip gone wrong?!?!
Was it the whip or the nae nae that got you?
Post by: MaNiFeX on Wed, 02 September 2015, 12:31:31
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.
720 tailwhip gone wrong?!?!
Was it the whip or the nae nae that got you?
I bet it was the nae nae part. That's tricky.
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 08 September 2015, 22:34:26
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 08 September 2015, 22:49:03
really regretting not getting 1+ spacebars
is there word on the simple "E" situation by the way?
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 09 September 2015, 05:29:34
hype, hypeWhy do you hate the E@ ? I like it also the Mµ it's like novelty caps for me :cool:
really regretting not getting 1+ spacebars
is there word on the simple "E" situation by the way?
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 09 September 2015, 05:48:22
hype, hypeWhy do you hate the E@ ? I like it also the Mµ it's like novelty caps for me :cool:
really regretting not getting 1+ spacebars
is there word on the simple "E" situation by the way?
Mµ is indeed cooler, it's also in a crowded area (,< .> etc.)
Yet the E_euro really takes away from the simplicity of the alphas
I don't hate it by the way, I just don't want it (Since this failed, I guess it's not as crucial to me as before: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73551 - the side prints are likely there to stay, the euro might hang around too)
Actually, now that you mentioned E@, E_euro started seeming interesting too :)
I admit that I shouldn't have diluted the thread/GB at the GB stage, I decided to accept or silently-move-on from now on, my needs doesn't seem to align with the needs of the many and I just end up creating discussions and no results :)
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 09 September 2015, 10:15:53
hype, hypeWhy do you hate the E@ ? I like it also the Mµ it's like novelty caps for me :cool:
really regretting not getting 1+ spacebars
is there word on the simple "E" situation by the way?
Mµ is indeed cooler, it's also in a crowded area (,< .> etc.)
Yet the E_euro really takes away from the simplicity of the alphas
I don't hate it by the way, I just don't want it (Since this failed, I guess it's not as crucial to me as before: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73551 - the side prints are likely there to stay, the euro might hang around too)
Actually, now that you mentioned E@, E_euro started seeming interesting too :)
I admit that I shouldn't have diluted the thread/GB at the GB stage, I decided to accept or silently-move-on from now on, my needs doesn't seem to align with the needs of the many and I just end up creating discussions and no results :)
On one hand I can understand you, for example I find ISO UK stupid, and other ISO layouts like ISO DE, useless characters are in the places where I would like to have the one that I really use. For example on ISO DE I have / on 7 not to mention | on AltGr layer how stupid is that?! , as a UNIX/Linux Admin I find that simply idiotic. That's why I use the ANSI US International layout, even when I write in German. I like the simplicity of the the ANSI look. So in some extend I can understand why you wish for a clean alpha cluster.
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 09 September 2015, 10:21:25
Am I the only one here who ordered, paid and forget about it?
Isn't that the way you join GB?
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 09 September 2015, 10:35:59
Here I am getting Hype yet I'm not sure what you guys are talking about
Am I the only one here who ordered, paid and forget about it?
Isn't that the way you join GB?
Best way to do it imo
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 09 September 2015, 12:57:44
Here I am getting Hype yet I'm not sure what you guys are talking aboutAlready forgot about it :)) We were just doing some oldschool thread disturbance :))
Am I the only one here who ordered, paid and forget about it?
Isn't that the way you join GB?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 September 2015, 20:04:41
Here I am getting Hype yet I'm not sure what you guys are talking aboutAlready forgot about it :)) We were just doing some oldschool thread disturbance :))
Am I the only one here who ordered, paid and forget about it?
Isn't that the way you join GB?
After everything has been paid for now we just cram the forums up with heaps of crapola served up with lashings of ballyhoo and hoopla 8) .
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 11 September 2015, 12:18:07
Here I am getting Hype yet I'm not sure what you guys are talking aboutAlready forgot about it :)) We were just doing some oldschool thread disturbance :))
Am I the only one here who ordered, paid and forget about it?
Isn't that the way you join GB?
Well, we could use the opportunity to post pictures of what we love about Miami. Mine is Miami Bass:
(http://www.ym-graphix.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2013/07/Miami-Bass-Logo.jpg)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/6pFV2TWQwuopgIiO5HpO_tumblr_lzr30dNIqa1r6ho2oo1_500.jpg)
(http://www.denkirecords.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/275x262/e63ec84520359f97c4ff311d519a9109/1/0/10002livecrew1.jpg)
(http://www.mixcrate.com/img/ugc/covers/1/5/155732_l.jpg?v=616201220)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-npAlV-osd8k/UD5nm3bdYgI/AAAAAAAABVA/QJLZYJCpo40/s1600/front.jpg)
(http://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2417222/screen_shot_2015-07-27_at_5.13.47_pm.png)
Post by: DanielT on Fri, 11 September 2015, 12:46:13
Vanilla Ice - NoNoNo!!!
With Miami and Booty goes only Don:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/06/article-0-04F912140000044D-861_306x423.jpg)
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 11 September 2015, 15:24:35
Booty - OK ;D
Vanilla Ice - NoNoNo!!!
With Miami and Booty goes only Don:
I stand corrected. :thumb:
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 September 2015, 02:11:38
Booty - OK ;D
Vanilla Ice - NoNoNo!!!
With Miami and Booty goes only Don:Show Image(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/06/article-0-04F912140000044D-861_306x423.jpg)
Don't forget at least a kilo of Coke, ready for distribution into Miami with such sweet ..................anticipation.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 14 September 2015, 15:19:17
Just sit back, chill and try not to notice the wait.
Post by: MaNiFeX on Tue, 15 September 2015, 13:04:42
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:58:38
Post by: mbrown559 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:16:05
If someone wants to part his/her 7u space bar, when they were delivered, please PM-me. Thank you.
I ordered way more space bars than I needed.. And I don't even have a board that uses 7u. Honestly not sure why I even bought them... GMK mind control. I will definitely be willing to part with some when I get them.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:22:02
If someone wants to part his/her 7u space bar, when they were delivered, please PM-me. Thank you.
I ordered way more space bars than I needed.. And I don't even have a board that uses 7u. Honestly not sure why I even bought them... GMK mind control. I will definitely be willing to part with some when I get them.
That's one of the usual symptoms of GB madness; but, this time it worked in my favor. Thank you, I will drop you a PM to be in your list of messages for the time when you got them at your door. I'd take over the part of your order that you do not need if that helps, we may figure out something with Ivan.
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 25 September 2015, 12:21:15
I have:
1 Base Miami Set
1 7u Cyan Bar
1 7u Magenta
N/M
Post by: rsadek on Sun, 27 September 2015, 01:02:05
Same here on all counts. I don't understand why the 7u bar exists, much less why I bought them.If someone wants to part his/her 7u space bar, when they were delivered, please PM-me. Thank you.
I ordered way more space bars than I needed.. And I don't even have a board that uses 7u. Honestly not sure why I even bought them... GMK mind control. I will definitely be willing to part with some when I get them.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 27 September 2015, 01:30:53
Same here on all counts. I don't understand why the 7u bar exists, much less why I bought them.If someone wants to part his/her 7u space bar, when they were delivered, please PM-me. Thank you.
I ordered way more space bars than I needed.. And I don't even have a board that uses 7u. Honestly not sure why I even bought them... GMK mind control. I will definitely be willing to part with some when I get them.
7u bars madness.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 27 September 2015, 06:16:01
Same here on all counts. I don't understand why the 7u bar exists, much less why I bought them.If someone wants to part his/her 7u space bar, when they were delivered, please PM-me. Thank you.
I ordered way more space bars than I needed.. And I don't even have a board that uses 7u. Honestly not sure why I even bought them... GMK mind control. I will definitely be willing to part with some when I get them.
7u bars madness.
When you're down in Miami you always buy 7u's, because down there you buy the BIG stuff for shock and awe 8) .
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 27 September 2015, 06:17:43
The Hype Master knows best :cool:Same here on all counts. I don't understand why the 7u bar exists, much less why I bought them.If someone wants to part his/her 7u space bar, when they were delivered, please PM-me. Thank you.
I ordered way more space bars than I needed.. And I don't even have a board that uses 7u. Honestly not sure why I even bought them... GMK mind control. I will definitely be willing to part with some when I get them.
7u bars madness.
When you're down in Miami you always buy 7u's, because down there you buy the BIG stuff for shock and awe 8) .
Post by: Prelim on Sun, 27 September 2015, 07:02:02
Post by: ideus on Sun, 27 September 2015, 10:11:42
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 27 September 2015, 11:30:43
When Mechanical boards ruled the earth, space bars were big and strong, the were the kings and queens of any layout; while they were very long ones, one particular size, the 7u ruled over most of the others. Minor species came after, more due to the trade off imposed by a particular key that forced her way into most keyboards, the windows key. However, there are still classic keyboard, that has not been affected by that windows illness, and that still show 7u's proudly. It even went into a very few and special 60 layouts. Sadly, it seems to be an endangered species of space bars, the weaker 6.25u's, victims of the window key, are surviving.*in the lecture of David Attenborough :cool:
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 27 September 2015, 19:33:56
When Mechanical boards ruled the earth, space bars were big and strong, the were the kings and queens of any layout; while they were very long ones, one particular size, the 7u ruled over most of the others. Minor species came after, more due to the trade off imposed by a particular key that forced her way into most keyboards, the windows key. However, there are still classic keyboard, that has not been affected by that windows illness, and that still show 7u's proudly. It even went into a very few and special 60 layouts. Sadly, it seems to be an endangered species of space bars, the weaker 6.25u's, victims of the window key, are surviving.*in the lecture of David Attenborough 8)
Who says you don't learn anything new each day, when you visit this place called Geekhack ;) .
Ideus has spoken the TRUTH and let it be known forever more, that the humble and great 7u needs our support and care. They need your help by donating to this caring Miami Nights Key-set, so that we can make sure there is a vital future for all 7u's that are made and released into the wilderness of Keyboards everywhere.
Down with the Windows Logo atrocity, we need more independence from that dreaded Redmond excrescence, hence show you care for the future of our 7u space bars and buy them :thumb: .
Post by: ideus on Sun, 27 September 2015, 19:41:13
When Mechanical boards ruled the earth, space bars were big and strong, the were the kings and queens of any layout; while they were very long ones, one particular size, the 7u ruled over most of the others. Minor species came after, more due to the trade off imposed by a particular key that forced her way into most keyboards, the windows key. However, there are still classic keyboard, that has not been affected by that windows illness, and that still show 7u's proudly. It even went into a very few and special 60 layouts. Sadly, it seems to be an endangered species of space bars, the weaker 6.25u's, victims of the window key, are surviving.*in the lecture of David Attenborough 8)
Who says you don't learn anything new each day, when you visit this place called Geekhack ;) .
Ideus has spoken the TRUTH and let it be known forever more, that the humble and great 7u needs our support and care. They need your help by donating to this caring Miami Nights Key-set, so that we can make sure there is a vital future for all 7u's that are made and released into the wilderness of Keyboards everywhere.
Down with the Windows Logo atrocity, we need more independence from that dreaded Redmond excrescence, hence show you care for the future of our 7u space bars and buy them :thumb: .
+1 Aye! Hyper master.
Post by: zhihuichan on Wed, 07 October 2015, 21:42:13
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:23:30
+1 Aye! Hyper master.
Plus every lady likes a good 7u every once in a while.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 08 October 2015, 15:27:21
+1 Aye! Hyper master.
Plus every lady likes a good 7u every once in a while.
I have not thought of 7u on that way though.
:p
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 08 October 2015, 18:58:40
+1 Aye! Hyper master.
Plus every lady likes a good 7u every once in a while.
I have not thought of 7u on that way though.
:p
On a HOT and steamy Night, a 7 shall hit the right spot for any woman 8) .
Of course you shall have some begging for a lot more but hey, we here on Geekhack Central only can provide what's given.
AAAhhhhh Miami Nights will certainly get sultry enough with this key-set.
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 08 October 2015, 19:26:59
+1 Aye! Hyper master.
Plus every lady likes a good 7u every once in a while.
I have not thought of 7u on that way though.
:p
On a HOT and steamy Night, a 7 shall hit the right spot for any woman 8) .
Of course you shall have some begging for a lot more but hey, we here on Geekhack Central only can provide what's given.
AAAhhhhh Miami Nights will certainly get sultry enough with this key-set.
+1 Aye! Hyper master.
Plus every lady likes a good 7u every once in a while.
I have not thought of 7u on that way though.
:p
On a HOT and steamy Night, a 7 shall hit the right spot for any woman 8) .
Of course you shall have some begging for a lot more but hey, we here on Geekhack Central only can provide what's given.
AAAhhhhh Miami Nights will certainly get sultry enough with this key-set.
Maybe multiple 7s are a good thing I know I got 3.
Some other people wanted more and made it a party. Miami Nights will definitely have some nights to remember. :cool:
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 08 October 2015, 21:22:32
Maybe multiple 7s are a good thing I know I got 3.
Some other people wanted more and made it a party. Miami Nights will definitely have some nights to remember. 8)
YES having multiples will fill you with even more pleasure than you could ever imagine :p .
When everything is filled to bursting point with solid German Made GMKs, what more could you ask for?
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 09 October 2015, 19:30:13
Maybe multiple 7s are a good thing I know I got 3.
Some other people wanted more and made it a party. Miami Nights will definitely have some nights to remember. 8)
YES having multiples will fill you with even more pleasure than you could ever imagine :p .
When everything is filled to bursting point with solid German Made GMKs, what more could you ask for?
What do you think the girth of 5 GMK 7s are?!
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 09 October 2015, 20:52:32
What do you think the girth of 5 GMK 7s are?!
Possibly as thick as Shane Diesel's tackle, I suspect ;) .
Wrong, the Mrs says he's far thicker than the GMK sets, troubling knowing that my Mrs knows Shane's dimensions so well.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:09:26
Post by: Rafa_n on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:52:53
Post by: the big aristotle on Mon, 19 October 2015, 09:32:08
I know it is a very long shot, but if someone thinks that will have no use for the CMYKv2 MODIFIER PACK I am interested.
I got you.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 October 2015, 09:34:47
I know it is a very long shot, but if someone thinks that will have no use for the CMYKv2 MODIFIER PACK I am interested.
I got you.
Do you want to share yours? PMming you.
Post by: the big aristotle on Mon, 19 October 2015, 09:58:51
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 21 October 2015, 21:07:03
$138.32 it's yours which includes the main kit plus 1 7u Cyan and 1 7u Magenta spacebar.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 21 October 2015, 22:14:18
Edit: my order has been claimed.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 October 2015, 22:36:50
Yea, I'm also not interested in my whole order, which is just a mod pack and a couple spacebars, but I won't ask for cash unless Ivan reappears and this thing gets going again.
What do you mean by "this thing gets going again"?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 21 October 2015, 22:41:16
Yea, I'm also not interested in my whole order, which is just a mod pack and a couple spacebars, but I won't ask for cash unless Ivan reappears and this thing gets going again.
What do you mean by "this thing gets going again"?
Its the group buy is stuck in neutral at the moment with the lack of updates.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 October 2015, 22:45:17
Yea, I'm also not interested in my whole order, which is just a mod pack and a couple spacebars, but I won't ask for cash unless Ivan reappears and this thing gets going again.
What do you mean by "this thing gets going again"?
Its the group buy is stuck in neutral at the moment with the lack of updates.
Ah, well, Ivan has been a very reliable guy so far, I hope he is OK. I read about an accident or something like that.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 21 October 2015, 23:17:47
Ivan mentioned something about having issues (health? accident?) and that he'll post only when there's info.Yea, I'm also not interested in my whole order, which is just a mod pack and a couple spacebars, but I won't ask for cash unless Ivan reappears and this thing gets going again.
What do you mean by "this thing gets going again"?
Its the group buy is stuck in neutral at the moment with the lack of updates.
Post by: lolpes on Thu, 22 October 2015, 03:25:59
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 22 October 2015, 03:33:30
Can't wait to have mine, as my tastes shift rapidly, I'm currently interested in the yellow on black Shift from the extras pack :)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 22 October 2015, 04:41:42
This is the most ballsy GMK set ever launched
Can't wait to have mine, as my tastes shift rapidly, I'm currently interested in the yellow on black Shift from the extras pack :)
It's an Ivan Package, so get ready to be balled to the MAX :thumb: .
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 22 October 2015, 11:55:15
This is the most ballsy GMK set ever launched
Can't wait to have mine, as my tastes shift rapidly, I'm currently interested in the yellow on black Shift from the extras pack :)
It's an Ivan Package, so get ready to be balled to the MAX :thumb: .
Must... not... let... Jimmies... RUSTLE. :eek:
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 22 October 2015, 18:17:31
Must... not... let... Jimmies... RUSTLE. :o
YES, they shall be RUSTLED ;) .
Post by: daviswalkers on Fri, 23 October 2015, 09:44:39
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 23 October 2015, 10:30:26
Completely forgot about this buy and the fact that I joined it, read through the last couple of pages and wasn't able to find any updates. Am I correct in assuming that as of right now we aren't even sure if the order has been placed or what the current status is of this GB?
Everyone trusts Ivan so I'm sure no one queried GMK, but they can probably tell whether this order is placed or not, you can email them and expect to get a reply in 1-2 weeks
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 23 October 2015, 10:34:14
Completely forgot about this buy and the fact that I joined it, read through the last couple of pages and wasn't able to find any updates. Am I correct in assuming that as of right now we aren't even sure if the order has been placed or what the current status is of this GB?
Everyone trusts Ivan so I'm sure no one queried GMK, but they can probably tell whether this order is placed or not, you can email them and expect to get a reply in 1-2 weeks
I highly doubt any business is going to give you information about an order unless you directly placed the order in question.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 October 2015, 11:50:21
Completely forgot about this buy and the fact that I joined it, read through the last couple of pages and wasn't able to find any updates. Am I correct in assuming that as of right now we aren't even sure if the order has been placed or what the current status is of this GB?
Everyone trusts Ivan so I'm sure no one queried GMK, but they can probably tell whether this order is placed or not, you can email them and expect to get a reply in 1-2 weeks
I highly doubt any business is going to give you information about an order unless you directly placed the order in question.
+1 Only the buyer, Ivan in this case, may get information about the order, if there is any already set.
Post by: daviswalkers on Fri, 23 October 2015, 12:09:20
Completely forgot about this buy and the fact that I joined it, read through the last couple of pages and wasn't able to find any updates. Am I correct in assuming that as of right now we aren't even sure if the order has been placed or what the current status is of this GB?
Everyone trusts Ivan so I'm sure no one queried GMK, but they can probably tell whether this order is placed or not, you can email them and expect to get a reply in 1-2 weeks
I highly doubt any business is going to give you information about an order unless you directly placed the order in question.
+1 Only the buyer, Ivan in this case, may get information about the order, if there is any already set.
Oh yeah I've seen how many GBs hes ran and am not worried about the fact that I'll be getting my product I just wasn't sure if maybe missed an update or anything
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 23 October 2015, 12:15:44
Completely forgot about this buy and the fact that I joined it, read through the last couple of pages and wasn't able to find any updates. Am I correct in assuming that as of right now we aren't even sure if the order has been placed or what the current status is of this GB?
Everyone trusts Ivan so I'm sure no one queried GMK, but they can probably tell whether this order is placed or not, you can email them and expect to get a reply in 1-2 weeks
I highly doubt any business is going to give you information about an order unless you directly placed the order in question.
I know many businesses that does this, I think it could questionably be okay too, since this is a public gb, it's not like they are violating anyone's privacy
Post by: Halvar on Fri, 23 October 2015, 13:51:22
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 24 October 2015, 00:32:24
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 24 October 2015, 08:52:09
Completely forgot about this buy and the fact that I joined it, read through the last couple of pages and wasn't able to find any updates. Am I correct in assuming that as of right now we aren't even sure if the order has been placed or what the current status is of this GB?
Everyone trusts Ivan so I'm sure no one queried GMK, but they can probably tell whether this order is placed or not, you can email them and expect to get a reply in 1-2 weeks
Don't be like showerking
Post by: daviswalkers on Sat, 24 October 2015, 08:57:53
I was under the impression that this has already been submitted or am I missing something?
I haven't seen anything alluding to that the last posts I saw from Ivan were "people need to pay invoices" then "I was in a dirt bike accident"
Post by: ideus on Sat, 24 October 2015, 09:56:35
Post by: Doobalicious on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:39:41
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 24 October 2015, 18:16:37
The big aristotle recently spoke to Ivan to get his order transferred to me, so Ivan is indeed still actively working on this. Simply could be a case of no updates as of now (what ideus said).
Who is the Big Aristotle?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 24 October 2015, 22:01:15
The big aristotle recently spoke to Ivan to get his order transferred to me, so Ivan is indeed still actively working on this. Simply could be a case of no updates as of now (what ideus said).
Who is the Big Aristotle?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=42904
Post by: the big aristotle on Sun, 25 October 2015, 10:26:31
The big aristotle recently spoke to Ivan to get his order transferred to me, so Ivan is indeed still actively working on this. Simply could be a case of no updates as of now (what ideus said).
Who is the Big Aristotle?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=42904
Yay I'm popular... But yes, I have contacted Ivan about transferring orders and he was very quick to respond to my emails. I did not talk to him about the progress of the GB though.
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:27:25
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:23:29
Would love to get in on this, hope it kicks off again :)
Want to take over my order?
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:36:53
Would love to get in on this, hope it kicks off again :)
Want to take over my order?
PM'd :)
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:44:37
Would love to get in on this, hope it kicks off again :)
Want to take over my order?
PM'd :)
Replied. :cool:
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:45:39
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:52:48
I've got full faith in my man Ivan!!!
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:55:00
Ivans the kinda guy that will let you know when he knows!!! I would think the order is placed and he is just waiting to hear when it might be ready before posting anything... Just letting you know how every GB I've been in of his has gone!!!
I've got full faith in my man Ivan!!!
I feel the same way with the guy, my point being only regarding transferring orders and collecting money from third parties when there is no ETA in the horizon.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:59:29
No worries, my statement was more towards people worrying about how this is going... I would no doubt hold off on selling orders till we hear from the man!!!Ivans the kinda guy that will let you know when he knows!!! I would think the order is placed and he is just waiting to hear when it might be ready before posting anything... Just letting you know how every GB I've been in of his has gone!!!
I've got full faith in my man Ivan!!!
I feel the same way with the guy, my point being only regarding transferring orders and collecting money from third parties when there is no ETA in the horizon.
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:02:08
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:46:44
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:57:21
Ivan has always been reliable and if this were to fall a part I'm sure he would refund with no issues.
It won't fail because he's in Miami now doing a deal with some Colombians 8) .
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:02:37
Ivan has always been reliable and if this were to fall a part I'm sure he would refund with no issues.
It won't fail because he's in Miami now doing a deal with some Colombians 8) .
Cubans*
Post by: Halvar on Mon, 26 October 2015, 18:20:33
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Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 27 October 2015, 02:40:41
No sweat, Ivan.
(Attachment Link)
*Holding on to Bros/Clacks/{insertArtisanHere} in his pockets
Post by: kingslenkds on Thu, 29 October 2015, 00:13:19
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 29 October 2015, 01:33:30
Excuse me, can also order now?GB is closed dude, no more orders. You could take over one order from someone who doesn't want it any more.
Post by: rho0812 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 08:21:46
I do not have to change the topic after payment https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/huh.gif
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 29 October 2015, 10:46:18
"Huh huh. What do you think about this thread, Beavis?"
"Damnit Butthead! Miami Nights! MIAMI NIGHTS!!! Miami? Mi mami?! I am the great Ivan Ivanovich! I need patience for my group buy!"
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 29 October 2015, 12:15:37
Show Image(http://s30.postimg.org/3k7i12rg1/232.png)
"Huh huh. What do you think about this thread, Beavis?"
"Damnit Butthead! Miami Nights! MIAMI NIGHTS!!! Miami? Mi mami?! I am the great Ivan Ivanovich! I need patience for my group buy!"
LOL that was perfect
Post by: kingslenkds on Thu, 29 October 2015, 21:29:58
Thank you very much! I ask who wants to turn singleExcuse me, can also order now?GB is closed dude, no more orders. You could take over one order from someone who doesn't want it any more.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 29 October 2015, 21:47:55
I'm fine. I'm happily married and hope to be so for decades to come. :)Thank you very much! I ask who wants to turn singleExcuse me, can also order now?GB is closed dude, no more orders. You could take over one order from someone who doesn't want it any more.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 29 October 2015, 23:38:55
I'm fine. I'm happily married and hope to be so for decades to come. :)Thank you very much! I ask who wants to turn singleExcuse me, can also order now?GB is closed dude, no more orders. You could take over one order from someone who doesn't want it any more.
This is a good one.
Post by: kokokoy on Thu, 29 October 2015, 23:39:54
I'm fine. I'm happily married and hope to be so for decades to come. :)Thank you very much! I ask who wants to turn singleExcuse me, can also order now?GB is closed dude, no more orders. You could take over one order from someone who doesn't want it any more.
Lol. I'm also fine, but thinking whether it would also be fine just for a day. :D
kings, note that Ivan may have a few extras and that might be for resale if you cant find someone selling their order. There were several invoices that were unpaid which he bravely covered for this GB.
Post by: Halvar on Sat, 31 October 2015, 08:10:49
If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
Give it a try! :thumb:
Post by: ideus on Sat, 31 October 2015, 12:17:59
@kingslenkds: I think this might still be valid:If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
Give it a try! :thumb:
With no recent communication from the OP, and that post being that old, I do not think it is still valid.
Post by: romevi on Sat, 31 October 2015, 12:28:47
I PM'd him about picking up an order but he never responded. He may be swamped.@kingslenkds: I think this might still be valid:If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
Give it a try! :thumb:
With no recent communication from the OP, and that post being that old, I do not think it is still valid.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 31 October 2015, 12:31:08
I PM'd him about picking up an order but he never responded. He may be swamped.@kingslenkds: I think this might still be valid:If anyone wants to pick up some of these unpaid orders, and/or get in now please do so. If you can send me PM with the following:
Miami Nights sets: [quantity]
CMYKv2: [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
spacebar (color)(size): [quantity]
paypalemail@email.com
REAL NAME
123 mailing adress
city, state/province, postal code
country
telephone
I will get you invoiced.
Thanks :)
Give it a try! :thumb:
With no recent communication from the OP, and that post being that old, I do not think it is still valid.
I did the same three weeks ago with no luck either; knowing him from a long time, I just hope he is OK.
Post by: mobbo on Sun, 01 November 2015, 20:07:06
Post by: GSimon on Sun, 01 November 2015, 20:39:17
Just sit back, chill and try not to notice the wait.
Ivan wasn't messing around
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 02 November 2015, 01:38:17
Might be a long shot, but anyone know where I can get a 6.25 cyan spacebar at this point in time?Classifieds. I sold one a while back from the CMYK days but I believe there are new ones coming in this GB?
I would advise patience and being right on top of the marketplace when these start dropping in. ;)
But be warned; anything GMK brings in a lot of people.
Post by: mobbo on Mon, 02 November 2015, 07:41:42
Might be a long shot, but anyone know where I can get a 6.25 cyan spacebar at this point in time?Classifieds. I sold one a while back from the CMYK days but I believe there are new ones coming in this GB?
I would advise patience and being right on top of the marketplace when these start dropping in. ;)
But be warned; anything GMK brings in a lot of people.
Thank you very much! I'll stay on my toes and hopefully I'll get lucky.
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 03 November 2015, 03:38:59
Post by: elretto on Tue, 03 November 2015, 06:27:15
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 07 November 2015, 22:21:53
Shoot me a PM if you want it.
Miami Nights Full set - US/ES cyan/magenta/black keycap set 1 $117.00 $117.00
CMYKv2 pack - cyan/magenta/yellow/grey/black modifier set 1 $45.00 $45.00
Spacebar - 6.25/7u spacebar in one or more cyan/magenta/yellow/black 6 $2.50 $15.00
Subtotal $177.00
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 07 November 2015, 22:33:46
Post by: Glenmael on Sat, 07 November 2015, 22:36:38
Not read through everything, do we have an eta?
Negative, Ivan is MIA.
Post by: Doobalicious on Sat, 07 November 2015, 23:59:37
Quoting the Hoff quoting himself in another Ivan GB:
From another Group Buy thread:I did speak to him briefly the other day; he said he is working on group buy things, and will be updating once he makes some progress. I'm not sure if we can assume he has caps in hand or not, but he is not off on an island with our cash. :D
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 08 November 2015, 02:30:34
I emailed Ivan a few days ago about adding spacebars to an order that was transferred to me and he replied pretty quick saying I should ask again once he has received the keys. He is pretty busy at the moment.
Shifty little devil, normally he's not so quiet when it comes to Group Buys but now he has them in his hot little hands, then it's shipment time for us lucky ones who've joined this great GB :thumb: .
Now it all has to come through customs and these bastards know me all too well when it comes to receival of certain items over the years, I hope Ivan can exceed with his smuggling capabilities just like he did with the Colombians 8) .
Post by: rm-rf on Sun, 08 November 2015, 03:27:36
I'm selling my order off!!!
Shoot me a PM if you want it.
Miami Nights Full set - US/ES cyan/magenta/black keycap set 1 $117.00 $117.00
CMYKv2 pack - cyan/magenta/yellow/grey/black modifier set 1 $45.00 $45.00
Spacebar - 6.25/7u spacebar in one or more cyan/magenta/yellow/black 6 $2.50 $15.00
Subtotal $177.00
you've got a pm!
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 08 November 2015, 07:18:22
It's just down to waiting...
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 08 November 2015, 13:27:04
Post by: SL89 on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:08:03
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 11 November 2015, 15:31:06
I talked to Ivan and like I said, No news is good news with him!!!
It's just down to waiting...
Waiting makes this even sweeter once it arrives :)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 11 November 2015, 16:58:01
I talked to Ivan and like I said, No news is good news with him!!!
It's just down to waiting...
Waiting makes this even sweeter once it arrives :)
YES, like a ripened Mangosteen so delicious and very much worth keeping your patience for ;) .
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 11 November 2015, 17:07:36
I talked to Ivan and like I said, No news is good news with him!!!
It's just down to waiting...
Waiting makes this even sweeter once it arrives :)
YES, like a ripened Mangosteen so delicious and very much worth keeping your patience for ;) .
Ah, good color-way?
(http://www.healthyfig.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/purple-mangosteen.jpg)
Post by: MaNiFeX on Wed, 11 November 2015, 21:58:58
I talked to Ivan and like I said, No news is good news with him!!!
It's just down to waiting...
Waiting makes this even sweeter once it arrives :)
YES, like a ripened Mangosteen so delicious and very much worth keeping your patience for ;) .
Let's keep this in context. Like a 25 year-old chica in Miami that you've known since you were 11 and finally get to be with her.
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 11 November 2015, 22:01:31
I talked to Ivan and like I said, No news is good news with him!!!
It's just down to waiting...
Waiting makes this even sweeter once it arrives :)
YES, like a ripened Mangosteen so delicious and very much worth keeping your patience for ;) .
Let's keep this in context. Like a 25 year-old chica in Miami that you've known since you were 11 and finally get to be with her.
Sorry, I have to reply and let you know that was funny :D hope she was everything you wanted and more.
Now back to these Miami Nights ;D
Post by: Karura on Wed, 11 November 2015, 23:26:07
Just helping a friend out, and seeing if anyone would like to let go of their set.
Please PM if you have a CMYKv2 set that we can take over.
Cheers
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 12 November 2015, 10:19:55
I talked to Ivan and like I said, No news is good news with him!!!
It's just down to waiting...
Waiting makes this even sweeter once it arrives :)
YES, like a ripened Mangosteen so delicious and very much worth keeping your patience for ;) .
Let's keep this in context. Like a 25 year-old chica in Miami that you've known since you were 11 and finally get to be with her.
Sorry, I have to reply and let you know that was funny :D hope she was everything you wanted and more.
Now back to these Miami Nights ;D
Unfortunately, that chica is all fiction... made up to be funny. Now it's just sad. lolz. :-[
Post by: Geroximo on Thu, 12 November 2015, 11:12:55
Just let me know :thumb:
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 November 2015, 12:46:16
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 12 November 2015, 14:57:48
Have Ivan posted and update in the thread recently?
He hasn't signed on since September 14th, almost two months now.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 November 2015, 15:23:29
Have Ivan posted and update in the thread recently?
He hasn't signed on since September 14th, almost two months now.
It is a shame, this GB seems to be stuck.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:18:52
Have Ivan posted and update in the thread recently?
He hasn't signed on since September 14th, almost two months now.
It is a shame, this GB seems to be stuck.
I believe I remember somebody posting in another one of his group buys saying that he was in contact with Ivan. He said that Ivan was doing a lot of group buy stuff behind the scenes. They always say with Ivan no news is good news.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:35:35
Have Ivan posted and update in the thread recently?
He hasn't signed on since September 14th, almost two months now.
It is a shame, this GB seems to be stuck.
I believe I remember somebody posting in another one of his group buys saying that he was in contact with Ivan. He said that Ivan was doing a lot of group buy stuff behind the scenes. They always say with Ivan no news is good news.
I've posted that, and I know ApocalypseMaow has been in contact as well.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:38:09
Have Ivan posted and update in the thread recently?
He hasn't signed on since September 14th, almost two months now.
It is a shame, this GB seems to be stuck.
I believe I remember somebody posting in another one of his group buys saying that he was in contact with Ivan. He said that Ivan was doing a lot of group buy stuff behind the scenes. They always say with Ivan no news is good news.
I've posted that, and I know ApocalypseMaow has been in contact as well.
Ah ok thanks for verifying, at least we know these group buys aren't dead. Everybody will get their items in due time.
Post by: slushi on Tue, 17 November 2015, 00:45:40
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 17 November 2015, 07:27:08
Just wanna drop by and say that if anyone is wanting to sell their order, I am interested.I could offer up my extra base set and 1 extra of each color 6.25u spacebar + some cash for your Jane CE spot :p
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 17 November 2015, 07:40:46
Just wanna drop by and say that if anyone is wanting to sell their order, I am interested.I could offer up my extra base set and 1 extra of each color 6.25u spacebar + some cash for your Jane CE spot :p
Haha well played.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 17 November 2015, 08:20:11
Just wanna drop by and say that if anyone is wanting to sell their order, I am interested.I could offer up my extra base set and 1 extra of each color 6.25u spacebar + some cash for your Jane CE spot :p
Haha well played.
I'd hate myself if I didn't try haha
Post by: slushi on Tue, 17 November 2015, 09:20:00
Just wanna drop by and say that if anyone is wanting to sell their order, I am interested.I could offer up my extra base set and 1 extra of each color 6.25u spacebar + some cash for your Jane CE spot :p
Haha well played.
I'd hate myself if I didn't try haha
Haha, nice try :)
Unfortunately, I am trying to get one of these sets for that specific board!
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 17 November 2015, 11:41:58
That certainly would be pretty dang sexy.Just wanna drop by and say that if anyone is wanting to sell their order, I am interested.I could offer up my extra base set and 1 extra of each color 6.25u spacebar + some cash for your Jane CE spot :p
Haha well played.
I'd hate myself if I didn't try haha
Haha, nice try :)
Unfortunately, I am trying to get one of these sets for that specific board!
Post by: slushi on Tue, 17 November 2015, 11:53:03
That certainly would be pretty dang sexy.
(http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/171915_S/What-About-Captain-Planet.jpg)
Well, with our powers combined... haha.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 17 November 2015, 12:48:23
Haven't been on GH long enough to know his activity habits, so not sure if this is normal.
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 17 November 2015, 13:03:40
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 17 November 2015, 13:16:34
Ivan was never one to post only for the sake if posting, he is a man of few words. But to be honest I never saw him silent for so long. But I think he only has a lot in his mind right now. We'll wait and see how it goes.
Someone in the RS84 buy got a hold of him and it seems that buy is moving forward so I would only assume this buy is still moving forward as well.
Post by: Jixr on Tue, 17 November 2015, 13:58:54
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 17 November 2015, 18:05:05
Great, now I have the captain planet song stuck in my headThat certainly would be pretty dang sexy.Show Image(http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/171915_S/What-About-Captain-Planet.jpg)
Well, with our powers combined... haha.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 17 November 2015, 19:24:24
ivan is like santa, you don't hear from him most days, but when he shows up, its always with something good.
He NEVER fails to impress when it comes to delivering on GMKs 8) .
Everyone shall have their bodies fully disturbed when your eyeballs meet these beauties, in fact the colours will remind you that the 80's WERE the best when it came to bright pastels.
Post by: turboloser on Tue, 17 November 2015, 22:27:16
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 18 November 2015, 13:28:17
I am still not sure what would be a good keyboard to go with my set, I plan on using the CMYK mods along with it because that's a no brainer.
i've been looking for cmyk since this gb started... so rare
Post by: zzoroda on Sat, 21 November 2015, 06:08:11
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 21 November 2015, 06:49:51
I'm getting worried about this gb.... :-[
I really wouldn't.
These things take a while, just sit back and forget you ordered this, otherwise it's gonna drive you crazy Bro. I have also been waiting for Hyperfuse for what feels like forever.
It'll come, and you'll be happy, so happy.
Post by: turboloser on Sat, 21 November 2015, 15:45:29
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 21 November 2015, 17:14:45
It'll come, and you'll be happy, so happy.
You sound like my wife 8) .
Post by: zhihuichan on Sat, 21 November 2015, 20:21:43
It'll come, and you'll be happy, so happy.
You sound like my wife 8) .
Also sounds like my wife. Coming..... :)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 21 November 2015, 21:31:34
Post by: ideus on Sat, 21 November 2015, 21:39:11
It'll come, and you'll be happy, so happy.
You sound like my wife 8) .
Also sounds like my wife. Coming..... :)
(http://i.imgur.com/ezHPmJT.gif)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 December 2015, 16:32:37
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Post by: billnye on Fri, 04 December 2015, 16:35:27
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.Welcome back Ivan. I hope you're doing well.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 04 December 2015, 16:39:08
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Good to read about you.
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 04 December 2015, 17:09:35
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Thx for the update Ivan :) best of luck for your absence
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 04 December 2015, 20:32:45
Post by: Glenmael on Fri, 04 December 2015, 20:46:33
Post by: Butter on Fri, 04 December 2015, 21:21:10
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 04 December 2015, 21:25:29
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 04 December 2015, 21:45:11
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:03:47
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Sup, yo.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 05 December 2015, 00:26:12
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
It's the idiot noobs that are doing this >:D .
This may be their first GB and low and behold they start a dispute when they don't get an answer straight away. These are the ignorant ones who have never been in an Ivan Group Buy before because they are long, not as bad as 7bit GB's but close enough.
The word these new noobs need to learn quickly is to be patient because everything will be delivered by Ivan, he has everything in control and the Good stuff will always take time.
Post by: zhihuichan on Sat, 05 December 2015, 02:35:03
Post by: Halvar on Sat, 05 December 2015, 15:02:59
Ivan, if at all possible, please either give us a meaningful update or let someone help you, at least doing updates. And the others, don't try to shame newbies if the GB organizer is the one who is acting untrustworthy. You won't establish trust by shaming newbies and making excuses for bad behaviour of organizers.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 05 December 2015, 18:11:16
You won't establish trust by shaming newbies and making excuses for bad behaviour of organizers.
If your motto is about ONLY trusting people before handing over your money, then you better get out of here.
Go buy on Ebay because then you'll have a corporation protecting you there but here on GH, it's basically about guessing who to side with. Personally have dealt with Ivan numerous times in the past so I know what's to be expected but noobs better not participate at all. In fact all you're doing is further hampering everyone's chance of getting these items.
Like I said before, certain people here on GH are trustworthy it's only the no names you need to watch out for but that is why risking everything is worth the pay off. If you don't like risking anything go to a fvcking store and buy your gear but don't come here and b1tch and whine about someone not wiping your arse 24/7.
Imagine being in a 7bit Group Buy, most of you lot would of bailed instead of waiting nearly two years for his key-sets (although they are worth it) :)) .
Post by: ATXTider on Sat, 05 December 2015, 18:42:37
You won't establish trust by shaming newbies and making excuses for bad behaviour of organizers.
If your motto is about ONLY trusting people before handing over your money, then you better get out of here.
Go buy on Ebay because then you'll have a corporation protecting you there but here on GH, it's basically about guessing who to side with. Personally have dealt with Ivan numerous times in the past so I know what's to be expected but noobs better not participate at all. In fact all you're doing is further hampering everyone's chance of getting these items.
Like I said before, certain people here on GH are trustworthy it's only the no names you need to watch out for but that is why risking everything is worth the pay off. If you don't like risking anything go to a fvcking store and buy your gear but don't come here and b1tch and whine about someone not wiping your arse 24/7.
Imagine being in a 7bit Group Buy, most of you lot would of bailed instead of waiting nearly two years for his key-sets (although they are worth it) :)) .
So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 05 December 2015, 20:36:29
So please be patient. If you don't want to be patient, just simply sell your spot and there are many who will buy it. But the PayPal disputes are just stupid and threaten to ruin the whole thing.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 05 December 2015, 20:42:36
His point is that waiting around for a GB is normal. The longer you are here, the more you realize how usual it is. New folks don't understand this. Thus it needs to be said over and over so they will keep their cool and not do PayPal disputes and other such nonsense.
So please be patient. If you don't want to be patient, just simply sell your spot and there are many who will buy it. But the PayPal disputes are just stupid and threaten to ruin the whole thing.
Yeah the paypal stuff totally derailed GMK RGBK a while back
I think part of the problem is that when gb noobs come and find the page on GH all they see is how the awesome product and a price and think it will be shipping the day after the GB ends - I know that pretty much everyone who spends a decent amount of time on GH will have a rough estimate of when something will ship but I think it is something that should be added to more GB OP's for the sake of the padawans
Post by: romevi on Sat, 05 December 2015, 20:43:34
His point is that waiting around for a GB is normal. The longer you are here, the more you realize how usual it is. New folks don't understand this. Thus it needs to be said over and over so they will keep their cool and not do PayPal disputes and other such nonsense.
So please be patient. If you don't want to be patient, just simply sell your spot and there are many who will buy it. But the PayPal disputes are just stupid and threaten to ruin the whole thing.
At the same time, however, you alienate newcomers and returning customers. With high MOQs from businesses like GMK, it's going to be harder to make custom sets with quality materials by having people trust GB runners less.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 05 December 2015, 20:50:07
His point is that waiting around for a GB is normal. The longer you are here, the more you realize how usual it is. New folks don't understand this. Thus it needs to be said over and over so they will keep their cool and not do PayPal disputes and other such nonsense.
So please be patient. If you don't want to be patient, just simply sell your spot and there are many who will buy it. But the PayPal disputes are just stupid and threaten to ruin the whole thing.
At the same time, however, you alienate newcomers and returning customers. With high MOQs from businesses like GMK, it's going to be harder to make custom sets with quality materials by having people trust GB runners less.
Who exactly am I alienating and how? Not sure how I could have been more diplomatic.
I've said it time and time again: the best way to participate in a group buy is to pay your money and then forget about it. Newcomers need to hear it over and over until they understand.
The irony is that the same people who complain about having to wade through 50 pages to find a GB status are the same people posting 50 pages of "When will this ship?"
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 05 December 2015, 20:52:01
His point is that waiting around for a GB is normal. The longer you are here, the more you realize how usual it is. New folks don't understand this. Thus it needs to be said over and over so they will keep their cool and not do PayPal disputes and other such nonsense.
So please be patient. If you don't want to be patient, just simply sell your spot and there are many who will buy it. But the PayPal disputes are just stupid and threaten to ruin the whole thing.
At the same time, however, you alienate newcomers and returning customers. With high MOQs from businesses like GMK, it's going to be harder to make custom sets with quality materials by having people trust GB runners less.
When I joined my first GH groupbuy it was all the other people in the thread that had previous experience with the organiser that made me feel safe enough in giving my money to who was basically a stranger to me
I think that it is important that the senior voices of GH do some of the talking - the problem only really occurs when you get all the noobies posting at the same time demanding to know what's happening
Post by: romevi on Sun, 06 December 2015, 00:21:13
His point is that waiting around for a GB is normal. The longer you are here, the more you realize how usual it is. New folks don't understand this. Thus it needs to be said over and over so they will keep their cool and not do PayPal disputes and other such nonsense.
So please be patient. If you don't want to be patient, just simply sell your spot and there are many who will buy it. But the PayPal disputes are just stupid and threaten to ruin the whole thing.
At the same time, however, you alienate newcomers and returning customers. With high MOQs from businesses like GMK, it's going to be harder to make custom sets with quality materials by having people trust GB runners less.
Who exactly am I alienating and how? Not sure how I could have been more diplomatic.
I've said it time and time again: the best way to participate in a group buy is to pay your money and then forget about it. Newcomers need to hear it over and over until they understand.
The irony is that the same people who complain about having to wade through 50 pages to find a GB status are the same people posting 50 pages of "When will this ship?"
Sorry, I wasn't talking about you when I said "you," but the general "you."
Damn it English. Why'd you have to get all sensitive and get rid of "ye"?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 06 December 2015, 01:04:21
So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
Who needs more idiot morons to participate in a Group Buy? We should be separating those ingrates from the greater population, rather than encouraging them to join ;) .
Post by: Rafa_n on Sun, 06 December 2015, 08:08:27
So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
Who needs more idiot morons to participate in a Group Buy? We should be separating those ingrates from the greater population, rather than encouraging them to join ;) .
Just noticed your username, i'm guessing that you are the same elrick guy that's always posting **** on the massdrop discussion threads? What a ****!ng surprise.
Post by: romevi on Sun, 06 December 2015, 08:20:05
So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
Who needs more idiot morons to participate in a Group Buy? We should be separating those ingrates from the greater population, rather than encouraging them to join ;) .
I get that you want to keep GH a nice little tightly knit community filled with familiar usernames. But you're bound to get new members, and new members who are unaccustomed to this lack of communication.
Posting regular updates to the OP isn't too much to ask, I think, , and saves people having to sift through pages of a thread to find out the status of a buy.
Also, it's going to be hard to meet MOQ by turning away customers. It should be reminded that Ivan had to buy the rest of the orders to meet MOQ on this. I'm pretty sure he can't be doing that every GB he runs in the future.
Anyway, there already on threads on this issue so I won't be saying much more on it.
Post by: ATXTider on Sun, 06 December 2015, 09:09:57
So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
Who needs more idiot morons to participate in a Group Buy? We should be separating those ingrates from the greater population, rather than encouraging them to join ;) .
Wow, you're a real piece of work.
Post by: Halvar on Sun, 06 December 2015, 09:16:24
That said, you're wrong, elrick. You can't blame a newbie for panicking when there's zero communication from a GB organizer for two months while the GB is just at the point that he collected all the money from people. Falling silent for so long is a kind of behaviour that by any GB organizer or vendor is not cool and will always lead to disputes.
As the GH community, in our own interest, we have to stop vindicating and excusing this kind of behaviour by organizers, which is something that is being done by community celebs again and again. I won't even start listing the GBs that have fully or almost gone south during the last year -- it's becoming an epidemic.
We should start a discussion on how we can prevent things like this from happening and make GBs more reliable and trustworthy with the growing number of GBs and orders per GB we have seen. Maybe it should be mandatory to always name a "deputy GB organizer" who can inform people and take care of stuff if need. Maybe there are other ways. To have one guy alone sit on a pile of money, responsibility, and tasks without other people's attendance and help in case something happens is just not a good concept.
Even with Ivan's short return this particular GB is still not going well. Even after his "update" post we don't know anything: We don't know what has been going on in the last two months, we don't know if the order has been filed with GMK, we don't even know about MOQ. We don't know at all what it is that is taking "longer than what was initially expected". It isn't necessary for Ivan to lay out his personal life on the internet, but IMO we do need to ask for more information on the status of the group buy, the MOQ, the GMK order and if there are any further obstacles that will need our patience. I have been in 7bit's Round 4 and Round 5, and I have lots of patience, as I'm sure everyone here has, but we need to know what's going on.
I don't know what happened to Ivan that caused the lack of communication, From my experience with Ivan I'm sure it's been something serious. It is always said here that RealLife is more important that keyboards, and that's true, but collecting 10,000s of $$ from people around the world is pretty much as real as things get. I can hardly imagine any reason for anyone to take that so lightly that he/she isn't able to give any life sign for several months. From a seasoned and respected GB initiator, this way to cope with problems is also sending a very bad signal to college kid GB organizers when they are in over their head.
My message to newbies would be: you are generally right in becoming suspicious when a GB organizer stops communicating for several months in a phase where he shouldn't. In this case it's Ivan though, and Ivan is special in that we know Ivan long enough to be sure that he will deliver in the end in spite of what it might look like right now. Which does not excuse falling silent for so long and then just posting some undescript generalities.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 06 December 2015, 10:32:21
We cannot lead or rule on someone else money: An advance payment gives rights, to ask, to get timely information and, finally, to get her stuff or a refund.
The payment gives you rights and it does not depend if the group organizer has a good track record. We that know Ivan may share our own thoughts and we can give people who do not know him yet some advice, but we cannot rule on someone else money; we cannot ask them to decline on their rights.
Post by: Stabilized on Sun, 06 December 2015, 10:55:38
Post by: ideus on Sun, 06 December 2015, 10:59:26
Has Ivan done this kind of thing before? Just wondering as I guess I am a 'noob' (don't even know what is meant by that).
He has ran multiple GBs for the community so far, and he has always delivered. This is the first time, as far as I know, that he has a long silence about the progress of a buy, somewhere he wrote that he suffered an accident, that may prevent him to keep the GB's participants posted; but, only him can tell, and in my humble opinion, he has to provide more specifics about the buy.
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 06 December 2015, 11:43:01
I have patience, and I trust Ivan, he has a long history of running GB's he knows how to do it.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 06 December 2015, 11:54:42
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 06 December 2015, 17:11:00
Has Ivan done this kind of thing before? Just wondering as I guess I am a 'noob' (don't even know what is meant by that).
He has ran multiple GBs for the community so far, and he has always delivered.
You're dealing with Ivan and he has NEVER duped, stolen or misrepresented anything when it comes to running any of his Group Buys.
He has become less and less corresponding in his section as time goes by simply because running these things has become boring and uneventful because you are relying upon more numbers of people to sign in and also for GMK to come on line (guessing here).
So for all the youngsters interested in felching their way to the top here, save your time and effort because he doesn't need that right now but he could do with some loyalty and perseverance. I've dealt with him before (am in this GB also) and he isn't as bad as 7bit. By the way anyone who hates waiting for two years on their key-caps should participate in his Group Buys, then you'll know what dedication is all about 8) .
Post by: Limewirelord on Mon, 07 December 2015, 09:51:46
Post by: GSimon on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:19:20
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
I worship Ivan like most of us do
Even though it's the norm with Elrick this hyperbolic language is gross. You don't worship group leaders, new users aren't parasites. What's funny is how strongly Elrick reacts to GBs failing to reach MOQ, then goes on to protect GB organizers when they haven't posted an update in 3+ months by calling participants unreasonable newbies with no patience because who don't 'get' that Ivan is this totally trustworthy guy. Your unconditional support for the GBs leaders is not helpful.
@Halvar: I couldn't have put it better. The whole concept of GB must be reconsidered, a single person is a single point of failure. This is one thing I've always liked in [CTRL]ALT GB's , you have at least 2 people who know what's going on, and when people entrust you with their money they expect from you to act responsible.
Well that party system sure worked out great for Toxic and other GBs of theirs
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:56:34
Raindrop.Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.I worship Ivan like most of us do
Even though it's the norm with Elrick this hyperbolic language is gross. You don't worship group leaders, new users aren't parasites. What's funny is how strongly Elrick reacts to GBs failing to reach MOQ, then goes on to protect GB organizers when they haven't posted an update in 3+ months by calling participants unreasonable newbies with no patience because who don't 'get' that Ivan is this totally trustworthy guy. Your unconditional support for the GBs leaders is not helpful.@Halvar: I couldn't have put it better. The whole concept of GB must be reconsidered, a single person is a single point of failure. This is one thing I've always liked in [CTRL]ALT GB's , you have at least 2 people who know what's going on, and when people entrust you with their money they expect from you to act responsible.
Well that party system sure worked out great for Toxic and other GBs of theirs
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 08 December 2015, 01:11:20
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
FACT one tosser, I put down over $300+ USD on this months ago and in your tiny mind you think I'm somehow not a REAL participant, get a load of this, some little nut-sack thinks he's more important than anyone else here :)) .
Suspect you maybe one of those arseholes who joined last week, then did a claim on Paypal and now you think you're justified in your conduct? All you did was force Ivan to slow down this GB just to please your stupid self and here it is again those selfish fvcktards who think they can screw everyone else here who have been waiting for more than six months on this event.
Listen again here you tiny minded toss-pot, you deserve the pressure because you didn't do anything nor contributed anything at all other than to slow the process down for the rest of us who stood by Ivan, we didn't bail ship nor did we complain like b1tches for nothing at all. All his GBs run like this now, like Qtan's, 7bit's and Imsto's as well, not everyone here on Geekhack is going to wipe your arse for you and hold your hand when it gets dark, forget about that. Some people will do this for you but Ivan isn't one of them.
Do some research first before justifying your idiot excuses and your inept reasoning, on why you think Ivan should be trashed to serve your own moronic purpose >:D .
Post by: Stabilized on Tue, 08 December 2015, 05:53:29
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
FACT one tosser, I put down over $300+ USD on this months ago and in your tiny mind you think I'm somehow not a REAL participant, get a load of this, some little nut-sack thinks he's more important than anyone else here :)) .
Suspect you maybe one of those arseholes who joined last week, then did a claim on Paypal and now you think you're justified in your conduct? All you did was force Ivan to slow down this GB just to please your stupid self and here it is again those selfish fvcktards who think they can screw everyone else here who have been waiting for more than six months on this event.
Listen again here you tiny minded toss-pot, you deserve the pressure because you didn't do anything nor contributed anything at all other than to slow the process down for the rest of us who stood by Ivan, we didn't bail ship nor did we complain like b1tches for nothing at all. All his GBs run like this now, like Qtan's, 7bit's and Imsto's as well, not everyone here on Geekhack is going to wipe your arse for you and hold your hand when it gets dark, forget about that. Some people will do this for you but Ivan isn't one of them.
Do some research first before justifying your idiot excuses and your inept reasoning, on why you think Ivan should be trashed to serve your own moronic purpose >:D .
I am not even sure if you're being serious anymore; this seems very extreme and it is hard to assume intention on the internet.
You have conduct quite a ad hominem attack and assumed a lot of details from his limited text in his last post, then continue to attack these assumptions that don't seem to be based on much at all.
Also, I don't think people could have really predicted that Ivan was going to conduct this pretty unusual behaviour, which makes me a little confused about what you mean by "Do some research".
Post by: Motan22 on Tue, 08 December 2015, 08:15:54
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
FACT one tosser, I put down over $300+ USD on this months ago and in your tiny mind you think I'm somehow not a REAL participant, get a load of this, some little nut-sack thinks he's more important than anyone else here :)) .
Suspect you maybe one of those arseholes who joined last week, then did a claim on Paypal and now you think you're justified in your conduct? All you did was force Ivan to slow down this GB just to please your stupid self and here it is again those selfish fvcktards who think they can screw everyone else here who have been waiting for more than six months on this event.
Listen again here you tiny minded toss-pot, you deserve the pressure because you didn't do anything nor contributed anything at all other than to slow the process down for the rest of us who stood by Ivan, we didn't bail ship nor did we complain like b1tches for nothing at all. All his GBs run like this now, like Qtan's, 7bit's and Imsto's as well, not everyone here on Geekhack is going to wipe your arse for you and hold your hand when it gets dark, forget about that. Some people will do this for you but Ivan isn't one of them.
Do some research first before justifying your idiot excuses and your inept reasoning, on why you think Ivan should be trashed to serve your own moronic purpose >:D .
Elrick you really need to calm down and stop being so hateful and ignorant towards people who have legitimate concerns. You are also wrong, when in a previous post you state that people are not protected during this group buy. They are protected. Paypal provides that protection for up to 180 days.
In the circumstances of those who are filing with Paypal for a return of their money because they have not received any communication with regards to their order for the best part of two months, the only person who can be held responsible for this failing is Ivan unfortunately. It is the responsibility of the person running a group buy to ensure that they provide an adequate level of updates and communication with all involved to ensure that this is not an issue. Although Ivan has a stellar past record for group buys, unfortunately this has not been the case thus far for this one.
For the record, I am involved in this group buy myself and intend to remain here for the long haul due to my past experiences with Ivan being great; however I have complete sympathy and understanding for anyone who is genuinely concerned about the current lack of information from Ivan regarding this group buy, and that failing as I reiterate can only be placed on Ivan.
People don't hand over their money to a cult here Elrick, each individual group buy has to handled professionally by the owner to succeed.
Post by: MaNiFeX on Tue, 08 December 2015, 11:04:19
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 08 December 2015, 15:56:14
Some more communication from the group buy organizer would be nice, though. I mean, come on, man.
Post by: Limewirelord on Tue, 08 December 2015, 18:10:50
The personal attacks on people concerned about their money are completely unwarranted.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 08 December 2015, 18:52:47
It is perfectly legitimate to want feedback for something you paid money for, especially for lack of communication (which has been heavily criticized in the past, a la Sherry and Originative). While I don't really doubt that Ivan will deliver, whatever people spent on this group buy is still their hard earned money and people certainly are allowed to be concerned if there is 0 communication (and not moderators saying that they are in touch with Ivan). I feel for Ivan if he was injured or whatnot, but if progress was or wasn't made due to his injury, a short post in 3 months saying so would have alleviated *many* concerns and prevented so many Paypal chargebacks.
Either you haven't been in too many Group Buys hence your ignorance is clearly showing here.
Here's a list of GBs I've been in and the same type of no real communication being provided;
* GON is famous for not stating anything here on GH yet he still sells his keyboards with no trouble whatsoever.
* Imsto with his recent BSP GB that went on for more than 9 months again no communication until you receive that shipment notice.
* Qtan when it comes to ordering something off Taobao which can go for months until you get that notice of shipment from him.
* Ivan, past GB's related to previous key-caps associated with BSP and GMK went for months or almost a year before finally getting that shipment notice.
Here's a vital lesson to be learnt, all these guys operate on the assumption that they will only post notice if something is WRONG. If everything is going to plan then everything will progress to it's final solution, being everyone gets their key-caps and/or keyboards.
You lot all come here demanding something, especially the morons who have done a recent claim against Ivan and still trying to torch him for failing to respond. Like I keep saying over and over DON'T come here expecting immediate delivery within one month because it will never happen. Only BunnyLake did one GB like that but it came at a tremendous cost to him and his gang hence he stopped doing it.
Somehow you lot think you are the only ones that matter and somehow it entitles you to file claims against anyone you feel isn't licking your rancid hole for approval. If it was up to me, all you fvcktards will get your money back with no possible chance of ever participating in any future Group Buys, being held here on Geekhack. You don't know what the word "Loyalty" means nor do you know what it's like to run a GB at all. If you don't like being treated in this way then go forth and start your own Group Buy and see what it's like, I would be the FIRST one to file a huge claim against you and you'll soon see what it feels like when the boot is wedged firmly up your own arse - sideways ;) .
Post by: Limewirelord on Tue, 08 December 2015, 19:09:52
Either you haven't been in too many Group Buys hence your ignorance is clearly showing here.
Here's a list of GBs I've been in and the same type of no real communication being provided;
* GON is famous for not stating anything here on GH yet he still sells his keyboards with no trouble whatsoever.
* Imsto with his recent BSP GB that went on for more than 9 months again no communication until you receive that shipment notice.
* Qtan when it comes to ordering something off Taobao which can go for months until you get that notice of shipment from him.
* Ivan, past GB's related to previous key-caps associated with BSP and GMK went for months or almost a year before finally getting that shipment notice.
Here's a vital lesson to be learnt, all these guys operate on the assumption that they will only post notice if something is WRONG. If everything is going to plan then everything will progress to it's final solution, being everyone gets their key-caps and/or keyboards.
You lot all come here demanding something, especially the morons who have done a recent claim against Ivan and still trying to torch him for failing to respond. Like I keep saying over and over DON'T come here expecting immediate delivery within one month because it will never happen. Only BunnyLake did one GB like that but it came at a tremendous cost to him and his gang hence he stopped doing it.
Somehow you lot think you are the only ones that matter and somehow it entitles you to file claims against anyone you feel isn't licking your rancid hole for approval. If it was up to me, all you fvcktards will get your money back with no possible chance of ever participating in any future Group Buys, being held here on Geekhack. You don't know what the word "Loyalty" means nor do you know what it's like to run a GB at all. If you don't like being treated in this way then go forth and start your own Group Buy and see what it's like, I would be the FIRST one to file a huge claim against you and you'll soon see what it feels like when the boot is wedged firmly up your own arse - sideways ;) .
I mean... I've done group buys in the past (mostly Ivan and Ctrl.Alt, but some others) and I don't really have any issue with waiting. I haven't and haven't planned on doing a PayPal chargeback, which I left out since I assumed you would assume as such (bcuz u are all dum and i luv GON and ivan), as I've had good experiences in the past with Ivan. I'm not so sure why you (assuming you're not baiting) are so against the idea that people do want a reasonable channel of communication with Group Buy organizers, it's pretty obvious why. I would never start a group buy as I don't have the ideas for the great colorways that the Group Buy organizers on this site can come up with but I enjoy partaking. I admire their work and join a group buy when I like the work they do but your worship for the organizers is beyond me.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 08 December 2015, 19:17:10
It is perfectly legitimate to want feedback for something you paid money for, especially for lack of communication (which has been heavily criticized in the past, a la Sherry and Originative). While I don't really doubt that Ivan will deliver, whatever people spent on this group buy is still their hard earned money and people certainly are allowed to be concerned if there is 0 communication (and not moderators saying that they are in touch with Ivan). I feel for Ivan if he was injured or whatnot, but if progress was or wasn't made due to his injury, a short post in 3 months saying so would have alleviated *many* concerns and prevented so many Paypal chargebacks.
Either you haven't been in too many Group Buys hence your ignorance is clearly showing here.
Here's a list of GBs I've been in and the same type of no real communication being provided;
* GON is famous for not stating anything here on GH yet he still sells his keyboards with no trouble whatsoever.
* Imsto with his recent BSP GB that went on for more than 9 months again no communication until you receive that shipment notice.
* Qtan when it comes to ordering something off Taobao which can go for months until you get that notice of shipment from him.
* Ivan, past GB's related to previous key-caps associated with BSP and GMK went for months or almost a year before finally getting that shipment notice.
Here's a vital lesson to be learnt, all these guys operate on the assumption that they will only post notice if something is WRONG. If everything is going to plan then everything will progress to it's final solution, being everyone gets their key-caps and/or keyboards.
You lot all come here demanding something, especially the morons who have done a recent claim against Ivan and still trying to torch him for failing to respond. Like I keep saying over and over DON'T come here expecting immediate delivery within one month because it will never happen. Only BunnyLake did one GB like that but it came at a tremendous cost to him and his gang hence he stopped doing it.
Somehow you lot think you are the only ones that matter and somehow it entitles you to file claims against anyone you feel isn't licking your rancid hole for approval. If it was up to me, all you fvcktards will get your money back with no possible chance of ever participating in any future Group Buys, being held here on Geekhack. You don't know what the word "Loyalty" means nor do you know what it's like to run a GB at all. If you don't like being treated in this way then go forth and start your own Group Buy and see what it's like, I would be the FIRST one to file a huge claim against you and you'll soon see what it feels like when the boot is wedged firmly up your own arse - sideways ;) .
#rekt
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 08 December 2015, 19:33:23
Post by: romevi on Tue, 08 December 2015, 19:49:03
It is perfectly legitimate to want feedback for something you paid money for, especially for lack of communication (which has been heavily criticized in the past, a la Sherry and Originative). While I don't really doubt that Ivan will deliver, whatever people spent on this group buy is still their hard earned money and people certainly are allowed to be concerned if there is 0 communication (and not moderators saying that they are in touch with Ivan). I feel for Ivan if he was injured or whatnot, but if progress was or wasn't made due to his injury, a short post in 3 months saying so would have alleviated *many* concerns and prevented so many Paypal chargebacks.
Either you haven't been in too many Group Buys hence your ignorance is clearly showing here.
Here's a list of GBs I've been in and the same type of no real communication being provided;
* GON is famous for not stating anything here on GH yet he still sells his keyboards with no trouble whatsoever.
* Imsto with his recent BSP GB that went on for more than 9 months again no communication until you receive that shipment notice.
* Qtan when it comes to ordering something off Taobao which can go for months until you get that notice of shipment from him.
* Ivan, past GB's related to previous key-caps associated with BSP and GMK went for months or almost a year before finally getting that shipment notice.
Here's a vital lesson to be learnt, all these guys operate on the assumption that they will only post notice if something is WRONG. If everything is going to plan then everything will progress to it's final solution, being everyone gets their key-caps and/or keyboards.
You lot all come here demanding something, especially the morons who have done a recent claim against Ivan and still trying to torch him for failing to respond. Like I keep saying over and over DON'T come here expecting immediate delivery within one month because it will never happen. Only BunnyLake did one GB like that but it came at a tremendous cost to him and his gang hence he stopped doing it.
Somehow you lot think you are the only ones that matter and somehow it entitles you to file claims against anyone you feel isn't licking your rancid hole for approval. If it was up to me, all you fvcktards will get your money back with no possible chance of ever participating in any future Group Buys, being held here on Geekhack. You don't know what the word "Loyalty" means nor do you know what it's like to run a GB at all. If you don't like being treated in this way then go forth and start your own Group Buy and see what it's like, I would be the FIRST one to file a huge claim against you and you'll soon see what it feels like when the boot is wedged firmly up your own arse - sideways ;) .
As he has a shop, Gon probably gets swarmed with emails so he can't respond all the time.
imsto had to end his past GB early because there weren't enough orders.
PM'd Qtan a couple of times a few months back, haven't heard a response.
Ivan goes MIA on two buys, comes back but responds for people to stop issuing disputes in the same post.
I get that this is a communal effort, but some of these people aren't helping themselves by not being an active member of the community they serve.
Like it or not, there's just going to be new and new people coming and we're going to need them if we want to reach MOQ every time. Caustic comments will drive them away and then where will we be?
Someone mentioned that 7bit takes forever, but at least he goes on DT all the time. He's an active member of his forum, and so the vibe I get from his GB is a jovial one.
Now, I'm not complaining about the long wait. I know this takes time. But I don't appreciate the berating of newer members, nor of GB leaders being silent or being unreasonably behind schedule.
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 08 December 2015, 20:19:54
Didn't Ivan post one page back that everything is fine and going according to plan? I don't feel there's reason to continue filling up the thread with more debate. How about we all go enjoy the holidays and not worry about this for a while?
+1
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 08 December 2015, 20:27:41
That goes for everyone. It's fine to ask questions, request updates, etc. But it's not acceptable to be rude to other members who just want to get their stuff, same as you.
Post by: ileben on Tue, 08 December 2015, 20:51:25
Post by: ideus on Tue, 08 December 2015, 20:58:42
Post by: spdeck3 on Tue, 08 December 2015, 22:21:30
when i joined GB i always ask.
1. the deadline for taking orders.
2. when the item will manufactured.
3. when the item will be shipped.
this GB deadline is in 30 july so ivan would made an orders to GMK in august or maybe september i assume. am i right?.
i know GMK is a PROFESSIONAL manufacturer. so when the order is made, GMK will give the estimated time, we can be sure the orders will finish at that time.
and of course GMK is a BUSINESS COMPANY, so when the orders is not complete in estimated time we can ask them why or even sue them!
the problem is. IF ivan really made an order to GMK in august/september it should be finished right now am i right?
even if he get some accident on BMX, it doesnt mean GMK will stop producing when ivan on accident am i right?
cause from what i heard in january GMK will made a skidata+ and the estimated time for skidata+ to be finished is 4 weeks. (i assume miami night will finished in 4 weeks too)
and i heard in january GMK is open for taking some orders, thats why skidata+ will manufactured in january.
i think all orders made in 2015 already finished by GMK this last month. cause just like all business company they should do year-end closing.
so the big question here, is ivan already made an order to GMK? you should ask that!
i dont blame people who so eager to ask or even dispute the payment.
cause when im in their position and must wait for 5 month, i will do a dispute too to be honest.
if ivan mention the deadline for order is 30 july and you should pay at 30 july but the ETA of this keycaps is next year 2016 trust me no one will ever join this GB!
or atleast me as commoners and many other ppl wont join.
but if ivan is a cult its different.
when you claim yourself as a PROFESSIONAL in this field atleast make something better than massdrop.
for me, so late at fulfilling an order is really really really BIG mistake as a PROFESSIONAL!
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 08 December 2015, 23:38:29
Now, I'm not complaining about the long wait. I know this takes time. But I don't appreciate the berating of newer members, nor of GB leaders being silent or being unreasonably behind schedule.
I'm not "berating" it's just how I communicate in general.
Sorry if my language seems threatening and whatnot but I was born and raised in the bush where expletives are all too common and everyone understands you from the get go.
You should see Friday nights out near Kalgoorlie when everyone's loaded, then it gets real threatening but everyone knows where they stand. If there's trouble brewing it'll get sorted straight away, anyone misunderstands what the other person is saying then an adjustment is made very quickly.
Maybe because this is the internet and typing is so easy to do compared to talking to someone, face to face. Hate not seeing anyone's face because you don't know whether you insulted them or congratulated them in some way.
Also because none of the so-called "newer members" know what's going on hence they seem to think this place here is a normal Store to purchase items from which it is in the "Classifieds" section ONLY. Here in the Group Buy section, it's very different where you hand over your money and wait for something to grow. It may take a month or two or it may take over a year but everyone should know, this is what Group Buys are all about here on Geekhack. Great length of time passes and maybe some Group Buy organizers don't communicate readily because they don't want to post inane comments about nothing.
I've been here a long time and been through dozens of GB's so I know what's involved. But having newer people complaining constantly why isn't the organizer commenting today isn't helping at all and what's worse they think the organizers here will run a Group Buy like they do on MassDrop that quickly. Maybe it's the young that were born yesterday thinking their days are running out hence they can't be patient at all, which in the end they have to ask themselves what is the rush?
A Group Buy takes as long as it takes and that's about it, I should be the one complaining because I'm reaching towards the end of my life but years of experience dealing with people running Group Buys earns my respect because they are doing something that very few would ever consider doing in their lifetime.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 08 December 2015, 23:43:49
when you claim yourself as a PROFESSIONAL in this field atleast make something better than massdrop.
for me, so late at fulfilling an order is really really really BIG mistake as a PROFESSIONAL!
YES the ignorant ones again framing Ivan as a professional. Guess what sunshine, he isn't paid to run this Group Buy in fact anyone who runs a Group Buy here on GH isn't making any money for themselves or making a career out of it for themselves.
If you want to shop at MassDrop then please go spend your money there but don't start posting idiot comments about Ivan and making stupid assumptions, is that clear for you?
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 08 December 2015, 23:59:40
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 09 December 2015, 01:02:33
Now, I'm not complaining about the long wait. I know this takes time. But I don't appreciate the berating of newer members, nor of GB leaders being silent or being unreasonably behind schedule.
I'm not "berating" it's just how I communicate in general.
Sorry if my language seems threatening and whatnot but I was born and raised in the bush where expletives are all too common and everyone understands you from the get go.
You should see Friday nights out near Kalgoorlie when everyone's loaded, then it gets real threatening but everyone knows where they stand. If there's trouble brewing it'll get sorted straight away, anyone misunderstands what the other person is saying then an adjustment is made very quickly.
aye aye from Melbourne.
Might have to make the drive out for a pint next time I'm in Perth! :thumb:
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 December 2015, 01:27:10
i wish it will finished soon, it will be a great present for new year. and good luck everyone who joined this GB :)
You and I both ;) .
This will go into next year due to GMK taking time off for their workers, due to Christmas and New Year celebrations (in case anyone didn't know out there).
Post by: ideus on Wed, 09 December 2015, 07:48:26
(http://i.imgur.com/Bdfl5Ki.gif)
Post by: Halvar on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:41:53
Didn't Ivan post one page back that everything is fine and going according to plan?
No. that is not what he wrote at all. Pretty much the only information that his otherwise uninfomative post contained was that things are not going according to plan. Read again.
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Post by: Limewirelord on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:18:32
I like the argument on living in a hard environment to justify being a caveman geek hacker."I'm extremely rude because I'm from the middle of nowhere"
I was trying to frame how someone could see it from another perspective and got pooped on, sad times. :confused: A big reason why I rarely post on GH and just look at the pretty pictures of all the renders and such for Group Buys instead.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 09 December 2015, 15:09:19
I like the argument on living in a hard environment to justify being a caveman geek hacker."I'm extremely rude because I'm from the middle of nowhere"
I was trying to frame how someone could see it from another perspective and got pooped on, sad times. ??? A big reason why I rarely post on GH and just look at the pretty pictures of all the renders and such for Group Buys instead.
Nobless obliged Taylor's animation.
(http://i.imgur.com/8ZYYkUv.gif)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 09 December 2015, 16:36:53
Didn't Ivan post one page back that everything is fine and going according to plan?
No. that is not what he wrote at all. Pretty much the only information that his otherwise uninfomative post contained was that things are not going according to plan. Read again.Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
He said it is "still in the works" and "tak[ing] longer than initially expected". So it's taking longer, but still moving forward. No mention of any deviation from the plan; just taking longer than expected. Not really understanding all the negativity, but whatever. :shrug:
I'm not going to keep posting in here, it's pointless. If you're new and reading this, just know that GB's take time, sometimes a long time. Occasionally you will get screwed. Never happened to me, and I've now been in at least 11 GB's, but it does happen. The best way to participate is to pay your money and forget about it. Follow the thread. Posting "any updates" is generally not helpful and just lengthens the thread and makes it harder to find the actual updates. Most GB organizers will post if there is any information to post. If you choose to be impatient, that's fine, but it's not helpful and just annoying to everyone else by bumping the thread.
Post by: justnits on Thu, 10 December 2015, 01:28:47
pbt r4, pbt black 2nd wave, and this, with exception that pbt r4 have one sentence more.
so does it mean that all 3 groupbuys are taking longer than usual? or it's just a general message to stop ppl from triggering paypal's dispute claims?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 10 December 2015, 07:23:08
In the other hand people that paid have rights and each one is free to ask, complain or claim as they wish, their monies their rights. There is no way to tell how long these buys would take and people may want to move their monies, if they decide to wait, that would be each one call.
Post by: madhias on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:11:51
I like the argument on living in a hard environment to justify being a caveman geek hacker.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Bdfl5Ki.gif)
Made me smile!
Post by: admiralvorian on Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:16:14
standard gb disclaimer: these things take forever. organizers are bad at communication.
also lol @ Elrick
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 10 December 2015, 19:54:20
and of course GMK is a BUSINESS COMPANY, so when the orders is not complete in estimated time we can ask them why or even sue them!
That's not really how manufacturing works. The manufacturer can offer concessions to make the customer happy, but good luck suing.
the problem is. IF ivan really made an order to GMK in august/september it should be finished right now am i right?
even if he get some accident on BMX, it doesnt mean GMK will stop producing when ivan on accident am i right?
Ivan did make an order with GMK. You are correct, GMK does not stop production when a customer breaks their arm.
i think all orders made in 2015 already finished by GMK this last month. cause just like all business company they should do year-end closing.
That's not really how manufacturing works. There's no reason to lose the business that would be lost if you refused to carry orders over from one calendar year to another.
so the big question here, is ivan already made an order to GMK? you should ask that!
Yes.
but if ivan is a cult its different.
Ivan is not a cult. Ivan is a group buy organizer with one of the best track records in this community. He has earned our trust over the last three+ years.
when you claim yourself as a PROFESSIONAL in this field atleast make something better than massdrop.
for me, so late at fulfilling an order is really really really BIG mistake as a PROFESSIONAL!
Ivan has never claimed to be a professional. He is really good at what he does, but he is not paid for his efforts here.
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 10 December 2015, 21:09:23
Post by: calvinhousecat on Thu, 10 December 2015, 21:40:02
Plastic is srs bzns
Of course its serious business, especially when there are individuals who poured nearly $200 in this buy. They deserve to receive updates about their product since they paid with their hard earned money for it.
Post by: justnits on Thu, 10 December 2015, 22:04:08
Is there any official post to understand or discuss it?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 10 December 2015, 22:31:13
Something I realized from when I first join GH until now, the concept of Groupbuy and how it was done has changed quite a bit. ::)
Is there any official post to understand or discuss it?
This. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77272.msg1943402#msg1943402)
Post by: Halvar on Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:31:55
Ivan did make an order with GMK.
Thanks for asking Ivan and posting! :thumb:
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:04:35
When I have something you need to know, I will come in here and tell you. Until then just sit back and relax. Your keysets will get to you when they are ready.
In regard to my last message...
It's not that I don't understand where some people are coming from. But, initiating a dispute via paypal to ask a question is just bad. It's bad because basically I have no other real option but to issue a refund due to the crappy way paypal works for 'sellers'. It's bad for you potentially because maybe you didn't intend to have you order cancelled... oh well to bad for you because it was and you are not getting back in.
Also, I am not a company. I do this on my freetime. While in the past I have had more freetime, this is currently not the case. I will not be in here as much to answer general inquiries. Please do not let that become a worry to you.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:07:54
Right... I have been busy with life and stuff. Sorry if you feel like I'm letting you down or whatever by not posting all the time when there is nothing new to report.
When I have something you need to know, I will come in here and tell you. Until then just sit back and relax. Your keysets will get to you when they are ready.
In regard to my last message...
It's not that I don't understand where some people are coming from. But, initiating a dispute via paypal to ask a question is just bad. It's bad because basically I have no other real option but to issue a refund due to the crappy way paypal works for 'sellers'. It's bad for you potentially because maybe you didn't intend to have you order cancelled... oh well to bad for you because it was and you are not getting back in.
Also, I am not a company. I do this on my freetime. While in the past I have had more freetime, this is currently not the case. I will not be in here as much to answer general inquiries. Please do not let that become a worry to you.
Thanks. Hope all is well with you.
Edit: seems like people want some details like "the order has been placed" or "in production" or "I have the caps and I'm bathing in them right now" or "there are no caps but here's a picture of me on a beach in Tahiti".
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 12 December 2015, 19:48:06
seems like people want some details like "the order has been placed" or "in production" or "I have the caps and I'm bathing in them right now" or "there are no caps but here's a picture of me on a beach in Tahiti".
Right... I have been busy with life and stuff. Sorry if you feel like I'm letting you down or whatever by not posting all the time when there is nothing new to report.
When I have something you need to know, I will come in here and tell you. Until then just sit back and relax. Your keysets will get to you when they are ready.
In regard to my last message...
It's not that I don't understand where some people are coming from. But, initiating a dispute via paypal to ask a question is just bad. It's bad because basically I have no other real option but to issue a refund due to the crappy way paypal works for 'sellers'. It's bad for you potentially because maybe you didn't intend to have you order cancelled... oh well to bad for you because it was and you are not getting back in.
Also, I am not a company. I do this on my freetime. While in the past I have had more freetime, this is currently not the case. I will not be in here as much to answer general inquiries. Please do not let that become a worry to you.
Post by: turboloser on Sat, 12 December 2015, 22:11:15
Plastic is srs bzns
Of course its serious business, especially when there are individuals who poured nearly $200 in this buy. They deserve to receive updates about their product since they paid with their hard earned money for it.
So did I hombre, but I also knew that GB's can take anywhere between 8-12 months.
I couldn't care less about updates other than, "Here is your tracking #" or "Production was delayed." ETA's and status nonsense does nothing but annoy me due to how little it actually impacts me getting my keys. If it actually meant something, then people wouldn't still be waiting for sets that had already shipped out 6+ months ago.
I guess I am saying, check your expectations at the door? I dunno.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 13 December 2015, 16:02:27
seems like people want some details like "the order has been placed" or "in production" or "I have the caps and I'm bathing in them right now" or "there are no caps but here's a picture of me on a beach in Tahiti".Right... I have been busy with life and stuff. Sorry if you feel like I'm letting you down or whatever by not posting all the time when there is nothing new to report.
When I have something you need to know, I will come in here and tell you. Until then just sit back and relax. Your keysets will get to you when they are ready.
In regard to my last message...
It's not that I don't understand where some people are coming from. But, initiating a dispute via paypal to ask a question is just bad. It's bad because basically I have no other real option but to issue a refund due to the crappy way paypal works for 'sellers'. It's bad for you potentially because maybe you didn't intend to have you order cancelled... oh well to bad for you because it was and you are not getting back in.
Also, I am not a company. I do this on my freetime. While in the past I have had more freetime, this is currently not the case. I will not be in here as much to answer general inquiries. Please do not let that become a worry to you.
Edit: Sorry I'm a bit grumpy today. :-X If you look at my other posts, even the one on this very page, you'll see that I'm not asking for myself but instead for all the impatients. Thanks. :thumb:
Post by: Limewirelord on Mon, 14 December 2015, 12:17:10
Post by: ideus on Mon, 14 December 2015, 12:22:02
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 15 December 2015, 18:45:02
Post by: turboloser on Tue, 15 December 2015, 21:28:18
Hey guys, I'm looking to transfer my order here. I did not order much, just a modifier pack and a couple of black spacebars. About $60 total. PM me for more details.
I might, I need to review my order - I forgot what I bought.
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 28 December 2015, 16:34:26
I received a reply within a few hours after emailing him.
Everything is fine.
Keep your panties on.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 28 December 2015, 16:48:42
Keep your panties on.
No.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 28 December 2015, 19:32:35
Keep your panties on.
No.
You sound like my Personal Assistant ;) .
Post by: turboloser on Tue, 29 December 2015, 02:45:55
Keep your panties on.
No.
You sound like my Personal Assistant ;) .
Savage.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 29 December 2015, 08:06:44
Keep your panties on.
No.
You sound like my Personal Assistant ;) .
Savage.
(http://i.imgur.com/KXWcbkp.gif)
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 05 January 2016, 02:11:27
Post by: madhias on Tue, 05 January 2016, 03:02:47
Happy new year :)
Fixed!
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 05 January 2016, 03:04:24
Post by: kokokoy on Tue, 05 January 2016, 05:59:21
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 05 January 2016, 09:19:33
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Post by: MaNiFeX on Wed, 06 January 2016, 12:41:53
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Fake bumps... damnit.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cF%2BE2erWL._SX425_.jpg)
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 06 January 2016, 15:48:20
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Fake bumps... damnit.Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cF%2BE2erWL._SX425_.jpg)
People buy these things?
Post by: romevi on Wed, 06 January 2016, 15:49:38
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Fake bumps... damnit.Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cF%2BE2erWL._SX425_.jpg)
People buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 06 January 2016, 15:52:53
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Fake bumps... damnit.Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cF%2BE2erWL._SX425_.jpg)
People buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
People actually buy these things?
Post by: romevi on Wed, 06 January 2016, 15:54:13
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Fake bumps... damnit.Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cF%2BE2erWL._SX425_.jpg)
People buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
People actually buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 06 January 2016, 15:56:32
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Fake bumps... damnit.Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cF%2BE2erWL._SX425_.jpg)
People buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
People actually buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
Bumps
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 06 January 2016, 15:58:43
Everytime I see this thread comes up my heart skips a beat. ^-^
Ditto :)
Fake bumps... damnit.Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cF%2BE2erWL._SX425_.jpg)
People buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
People actually buy these things?
Don't you watch movies?
People in movies are not real people...and no I do not watch movies.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 06 January 2016, 16:31:28
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:52:52
Reminds me of the old "Been Caught Stealin" music video. Jane's Addiction I think.
Perry Ferrell lead them, man, such a great band... Then Dave Navarro went over to Red Hot Chili Peppers. Perry started Porno for Pyro's soon after. For the uninitiated.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 17 January 2016, 08:06:24
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 08:10:47
I regret selling my spot. :(
I might be of help :)
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 17 January 2016, 08:16:06
I regret selling my spot. :(
I might be of help :)
PM Incoming
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 17 January 2016, 15:32:36
I regret selling my spot. :(
I do not :thumb:
Post by: tigersharkdude on Sun, 17 January 2016, 15:34:39
If anybody wants to sell their Cyan or Magenta 6.25u spacebar I would be interested
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 17 January 2016, 15:58:02
Don't know how I missed this.
If anybody wants to sell their Cyan or Magenta 6.25u spacebar I would be interested
I thought about this when you posted your WTB but we haven't received this set and there isn't an ETA. Sorry bro.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 17 January 2016, 16:39:55
This guyI regret selling my spot. :(
I do not :thumb:
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 17 January 2016, 16:45:08
This guyI regret selling my spot. :(
I do not :thumb:
:-[
(Suikoden>Xeongears :p)
Post by: zhihuichan on Mon, 18 January 2016, 00:06:45
Post by: Karura on Wed, 20 January 2016, 11:18:11
Post by: MaNiFeX on Wed, 20 January 2016, 12:42:22
How are we doing on this GB?
I heard GMK is pretty back-logged right now with orders. Ivan hasn't said that they are in production, yet. Once they are in production, I'd say 2-4 months until we get them. This is all speculation, of course, but I don't expect to see them until March at the earliest, more likely April/May.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 January 2016, 16:32:35
How are we doing on this GB?
I heard GMK is pretty back-logged right now with orders. Ivan hasn't said that they are in production, yet. Once they are in production, I'd say 2-4 months until we get them. This is all speculation, of course, but I don't expect to see them until March at the earliest, more likely April/May.
You meant at 2017, right? :))
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 20 January 2016, 16:36:20
How are we doing on this GB?
I heard GMK is pretty back-logged right now with orders. Ivan hasn't said that they are in production, yet. Once they are in production, I'd say 2-4 months until we get them. This is all speculation, of course, but I don't expect to see them until March at the earliest, more likely April/May.
Where did you hear this from?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 20 January 2016, 18:25:01
How are we doing on this GB?
I heard GMK is pretty back-logged right now with orders. Ivan hasn't said that they are in production, yet. Once they are in production, I'd say 2-4 months until we get them. This is all speculation, of course, but I don't expect to see them until March at the earliest, more likely April/May.
Where did you hear this from?
Did you know that the current GMK factory is smaller than Signature Plastics?
Again the US leads in size and capacity hence they have little backlog when the orders rush in, compared to the GMK facility.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 20 January 2016, 18:39:23
How are we doing on this GB?
I heard GMK is pretty back-logged right now with orders. Ivan hasn't said that they are in production, yet. Once they are in production, I'd say 2-4 months until we get them. This is all speculation, of course, but I don't expect to see them until March at the earliest, more likely April/May.
Where did you hear this from?
Did you know that the current GMK factory is smaller than Signature Plastics?
Again the US leads in size and capacity hence they have little backlog when the orders rush in, compared to the GMK facility.
Wow I actually assumed the exact opposite based on the way that seemingly everyone says that GMK are a big company that have big clients
Post by: quochung1989 on Wed, 20 January 2016, 20:37:14
Post by: ideus on Thu, 21 January 2016, 12:57:59
Post by: Bucky on Fri, 22 January 2016, 01:41:36
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 22 January 2016, 07:48:49
Post by: ideus on Fri, 22 January 2016, 08:16:13
I have split all of the off-topic GMK Valentine discussion from this thread. Please continue that discussion in the appropriate thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78939.0). :thumb:
Thank you very much for your help to keep this on topic.
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 26 January 2016, 12:53:06
Buuuuuttt... just wondering if anyone has any info on how stuff is going? Is no news good news, did I miss a rough timeline?
Post by: MaNiFeX on Tue, 26 January 2016, 13:34:51
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/6/64/Mrbump.png/revision/latest?cb=20090707092619)
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 26 January 2016, 15:03:47
I've not really been around this thread that much as I know how these GB things go... ;D
Buuuuuttt... just wondering if anyone has any info on how stuff is going? Is no news good news, did I miss a rough timeline?
We had a few replies and proxy replies (via other members) from Ivan, all is 'on track' and we will here back when there is something of value to report. :thumb:
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 31 January 2016, 19:49:38
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 31 January 2016, 22:54:12
I've not really been around this thread that much as I know how these GB things go... ;D
Buuuuuttt... just wondering if anyone has any info on how stuff is going? Is no news good news, did I miss a rough timeline?
We had a few replies and proxy replies (via other members) from Ivan, all is 'on track' and we will here back when there is something of value to report. :thumb:
Just a friendly footnote here in this section, Ivan is now getting closer to the infamous Kin25's record of non communication with his customers, in about 9 weeks time.
So if he wants to cut short of Kin25, then he has to say something otherwise he enters his territory and you really don't want to be in that category here on Geekhack.
Post by: Pieminister on Mon, 01 February 2016, 08:29:33
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 01 February 2016, 11:17:45
I've not really been around this thread that much as I know how these GB things go... ;D
Buuuuuttt... just wondering if anyone has any info on how stuff is going? Is no news good news, did I miss a rough timeline?
We had a few replies and proxy replies (via other members) from Ivan, all is 'on track' and we will here back when there is something of value to report. :thumb:
Just a friendly footnote here in this section, Ivan is now getting closer to the infamous Kin25's record of non communication with his customers, in about 9 weeks time.
So if he wants to cut short of Kin25, then he has to say something otherwise he enters his territory and you really don't want to be in that category here on Geekhack.
true. the last we heard of him was only to tell people to stop making charge backs. As much as we flamed the newBs, it was an effective strategy. Havent heard of him since. I still have hope in Ivan, but after this group buy... idk
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 01 February 2016, 13:05:09
My guess is he has less time for this hobby, he is finishing these last GBs and that's it, I doubt he will run any other GBs in the future.
Post by: gadzkun on Mon, 01 February 2016, 18:15:14
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 01 February 2016, 19:52:38
if someone can email GMK and ask them about miami night, is it still in production or already finished.
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
I would try emailing Ivan about it first.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 03 February 2016, 04:57:55
if someone can email GMK and ask them about miami night, is it still in production or already finished.
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
Don't do this
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 03 February 2016, 05:14:14
if someone can email GMK and ask them about miami night, is it still in production or already finished.
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
I would try emailing Ivan about it first.
if someone can email GMK and ask them about miami night, is it still in production or already finished.
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
Don't do this
I agree, Ivan said he would update the thread when he has more info, just sit tight.
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 03 February 2016, 06:01:24
if someone can email GMK and ask them about miami night, is it still in production or already finished.
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
Don't do this
yep i agree, its really rude to be honest.
but it just a suggestion and its only for last resort.
if you guys could wait so just wait patiently.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 03 February 2016, 16:14:49
if someone can email GMK and ask them about miami night, is it still in production or already finished.
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
Don't do this
yep i agree, its really rude to be honest.
but it just a suggestion and its only for last resort.
if you guys could wait so just wait patiently.
Well it's not just rude but it's not really how business works
Ivan is GMK's customer not any of us and they are not going to disclose customer or order information to anyone who randomly asks for it
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:19:13
if someone can email GMK and ask them about miami night, is it still in production or already finished.
and if we can get info directly from GMK thats really more than enough.
Don't do this
yep i agree, its really rude to be honest.
but it just a suggestion and its only for last resort.
if you guys could wait so just wait patiently.
Well it's not just rude but it's not really how business works
Ivan is GMK's customer not any of us and they are not going to disclose customer or order information to anyone who randomly asks for it
nope. its about customer service.
yes maybe ivan is GMK customer. but you must know ivan is just a third person. between us and GMK.
its just like KIN25, we can ask ppl in korea about KIN25 is he dead or still alive.
so ppl in korea said yes he still alive. thats all. its not a classified information.
so if we give GMK a readson or prove, GMK sure would help cause its not really a classified information.
since we just only want to know "is it on production" or "already finished" or maybe "still on queue" we not asking such a classified information like how much ivan pay.
even signature plastic make his own page to give us information about they keyset status production. http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/
cause thats how customer service works to give an update to a buyers. thats one of his responsibility as a seller.
btw its just a suggestion. :thumb:
goodluck guys.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:50:12
so if we give GMK a readson or prove, GMK sure would help cause its not really a classified information.
Ivan handed the money over to GMK hence this key-set order is his alone and NO Corporation on Earth, is going to give outsiders (yes that is what we are to them) any info relating to this order.
Again it's up to Ivan to inform us here and no one else, it's just unusual for him to not contact Geekhack with any extra news on our order but he isn't as bad as Imsto, regarding BSP key-set orders which can go for more than year before he informs anyone about what's happening.
I'm not yet worried about Ivan because what ever has happened to him he probably wants to keep to himself but GMK ordering now, is in the months of waiting due to so many orders coming in to them.
Post by: turboloser on Fri, 05 February 2016, 18:22:45
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 05 February 2016, 19:10:54
Post by: ideus on Sat, 06 February 2016, 14:09:31
I've seen some interest in buying orders for this. I am looking to sell my order, I only have a modifier pack and a couple of spacebars. Send me a PM if interested and we can work out the details.
Pmed you, on taking GB risk out of your hands, :))
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 09 February 2016, 18:33:03
I've seen some interest in buying orders for this. I am looking to sell my order, I only have a modifier pack and a couple of spacebars. Send me a PM if interested and we can work out the details.
Fyi, my order has been sold.
Post by: zhihuichan on Sat, 13 February 2016, 20:55:22
Post by: Glenmael on Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:31:47
Any update except his profile image?
Sit tight and enjoy the vibe.
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 17 February 2016, 00:55:45
I've seen some interest in buying orders for this. I am looking to sell my order, I only have a modifier pack and a couple of spacebars. Send me a PM if interested and we can work out the details.
Fyi, my order has been sold.
Thanks again ;)
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 17 February 2016, 01:01:22
I've seen some interest in buying orders for this. I am looking to sell my order, I only have a modifier pack and a couple of spacebars. Send me a PM if interested and we can work out the details.
Fyi, my order has been sold.
Thanks again ;)
Welcome aboard radio_killah :cool:
Post by: rioc on Sun, 06 March 2016, 15:24:43
I missed buying in to this GB due to some health problems in the last half year of 2015...
any chance I can still buy in or someone willing to sell their order?
cheers
Post by: sircheddar on Sun, 06 March 2016, 22:09:08
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 07 March 2016, 12:44:19
1.5x Alt (Two of them)
2.25x yellow shift (either design)
1.75x yellow shift (either design)
I figure someone will really only use Icon or Text shift keys and would like to subsidize the sets cost.
Post by: rho0812 on Sun, 13 March 2016, 09:34:19
I can no longer believe ivan.
PS.
Still I want to believe or did not return any actions are very disappointing news. Please inform us about the progress of the least topic.
Post by: WNovizar on Sun, 13 March 2016, 09:42:11
Topics are not changed. Progress does not give. So I want to get back my money!
I can no longer believe ivan.
If you want to give your order, I will gladly pay for your order
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 13 March 2016, 17:21:15
Post by: ideus on Sun, 13 March 2016, 19:32:51
Anyone had contact with Ivan recently? I just want confirmation that I took over an order.
IMSTO wrote that he underwent a surgery as a reason to take over a GB for some PBT sets. It was the last I heard about Ivan. I just hope his is doing well.
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 14 March 2016, 23:33:19
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 15 March 2016, 06:12:12
(http://i.imgur.com/CG1h977.png)
I mean, it seems like a not so crazy assumption that he got hurt, had medical bills, has lots of cash....
Post by: henz on Tue, 15 March 2016, 06:16:48
The post in RS84 made me worried so I just contacted GMK.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CG1h977.png)
I mean, it seems like a not so crazy assumption that he got hurt, had medical bills, has lots of cash....
uh oh
Post by: Halvar on Tue, 15 March 2016, 06:25:25
Ivan did make an order with GMK.
Thanks for asking Ivan and posting! :thumb:
Thanks HoffmanMyster for claiming something you didn't actually know. Well that went well! I don't know in which world this kind of painting things over helps the community. :mad:
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 06:30:04
The post in RS84 made me worried so I just contacted GMK.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CG1h977.png)
I mean, it seems like a not so crazy assumption that he got hurt, had medical bills, has lots of cash....
This can't be good :-\
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 15 March 2016, 06:37:11
The post in RS84 made me worried so I just contacted GMK.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CG1h977.png)
I mean, it seems like a not so crazy assumption that he got hurt, had medical bills, has lots of cash....
uh oh someone has some explaining to do :rolleyes:
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 06:49:18
I have high hopes for this GB
Post by: effectiveduck on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:02:51
Post by: apolotary on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:21:45
Maybe running it through something like massdrop would make it happen after all
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:24:10
I can't agree with FXXING any more.
CNMLGB!
Post by: WinterIsle on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:27:44
:( this is very sad.....I feel the same way
I have high hopes for this GB
I was still hoping like the PBT R3 that took more than a year to complete.
This news is so heartbreaking and lost hope to join any GH GB from now on =(
Post by: kokokoy on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:36:47
Post by: effectiveduck on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:37:41
Uh I don't want to rustle anyone's jimmies, but who owns the colorway at this point?
Maybe running it through something like massdrop would make it happen after all
I'm in favor of this but we should probably wait until we get a response from either Ivan or a moderator.
We could also change a few things about it, like R0, text only mods, side-printing, or any other things people would prefer.
Post by: ceflame on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:43:45
Right... I have been busy with life and stuff. Sorry if you feel like I'm letting you down or whatever by not posting all the time when there is nothing new to report.
When I have something you need to know, I will come in here and tell you. Until then just sit back and relax. Your keysets will get to you when they are ready.
In regard to my last message...
It's not that I don't understand where some people are coming from. But, initiating a dispute via paypal to ask a question is just bad. It's bad because basically I have no other real option but to issue a refund due to the crappy way paypal works for 'sellers'. It's bad for you potentially because maybe you didn't intend to have you order cancelled... oh well to bad for you because it was and you are not getting back in.
Also, I am not a company. I do this on my freetime. While in the past I have had more freetime, this is currently not the case. I will not be in here as much to answer general inquiries. Please do not let that become a worry to you.
Last response from Ivan in this thread.. telling people not to paypal dispute, that money is 'tied up in the product'.
Anyone want to message imsto and see if PBT Dark second wave is even in production?
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 07:45:41
The post in RS84 made me worried so I just contacted GMK.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CG1h977.png)
I mean, it seems like a not so crazy assumption that he got hurt, had medical bills, has lots of cash....
Is this legit?
Post by: daviswalkers on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:06:54
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:09:33
The post in RS84 made me worried so I just contacted GMK.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CG1h977.png)
I mean, it seems like a not so crazy assumption that he got hurt, had medical bills, has lots of cash....
uh oh someone has some explaining to do :rolleyes:
oh ****. yikes.
(http://i.giphy.com/Lcn0yF1RcLANG.gif)
Post by: Butter on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:16:33
The post in RS84 made me worried so I just contacted GMK.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CG1h977.png)
I mean, it seems like a not so crazy assumption that he got hurt, had medical bills, has lots of cash....
uh oh someone has some explaining to do :rolleyes:
oh ****. yikes.Show Image(http://i.giphy.com/Lcn0yF1RcLANG.gif)
This is ****ing yikes as someone who is in this and the pbt dark second wave gb.
Post by: madhias on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:16:49
Post by: madhias on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:18:51
Ivan did make an order with GMK.
Thanks for asking Ivan and posting! :thumb:
Thanks HoffmanMyster for claiming something you didn't actually know. Well that went well! I don't know in which world this kind of painting things over helps the community. :mad:
He just said what Ivan said, probably.
Post by: w00zie on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:22:58
Ivan did make an order with GMK.
Thanks for asking Ivan and posting! :thumb:
Thanks HoffmanMyster for claiming something you didn't actually know. Well that went well! I don't know in which world this kind of painting things over helps the community. :mad:
He just said what Ivan said, probably.
Agreed. Sad to see people jumping to conclusions and blaming others already. :confused:
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:24:19
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:28:26
Let's see if he logs on or replies to my email, fingers crossed
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:31:49
Right... I have been busy with life and stuff. Sorry if you feel like I'm letting you down or whatever by not posting all the time when there is nothing new to report.Masterful delays until the chargeback period is over.
When I have something you need to know, I will come in here and tell you. Until then just sit back and relax. Your keysets will get to you when they are ready.
In regard to my last message...
It's not that I don't understand where some people are coming from. But, initiating a dispute via paypal to ask a question is just bad. It's bad because basically I have no other real option but to issue a refund due to the crappy way paypal works for 'sellers'. It's bad for you potentially because maybe you didn't intend to have you order cancelled... oh well to bad for you because it was and you are not getting back in.
Also, I am not a company. I do this on my freetime. While in the past I have had more freetime, this is currently not the case. I will not be in here as much to answer general inquiries. Please do not let that become a worry to you.
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:32:31
I just sent Ivan an email to ask what was going on with his GBs, and to let him know that someone said that they contacted GMK to ask about Miami Nights and that GMK replied saying that they never got the order for it.
Let's see if he logs on or replies to my email, fingers crossed
fingers crossed
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Post by: Photekq on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:44:23
fingers crossedI wouldn't bother.Show Image(https://d30y9cdsu7xlg0.cloudfront.net/png/54856-200.png)
What possible explanation is there for not paying the manufacturer for over 6 months? There is none. If his position is to deliver the goods then those actions are unjustifiable.
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:46:51
fingers crossedI wouldn't bother.Show Image(https://d30y9cdsu7xlg0.cloudfront.net/png/54856-200.png)
What possible explanation is there for not paying the manufacturer for over 6 months? There is none. If his position is to deliver the goods then those actions are unjustifiable.
I mean fXXK fingers crossed，fXXk Ivan
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:56:02
As of this moment I don't trust anyone with my money anymore in the "classic GB" system ... This is just great, I liked this set and had some plans, not to mention what I could do with the money.
And when I see all those GB's ran by people with zero history I wonder why should I join, I've learned my lesson and it was an expensive one.
Post by: harlw on Tue, 15 March 2016, 09:06:13
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 15 March 2016, 09:11:47
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 15 March 2016, 09:13:11
Is Ivanivanovich still a moderator?and a Global one
L.E: if someone wants to take the risk my order is for grabs at a discount , full set, mods and spacebars . I wouldn't advise but feel free to PM me.
Post by: henz on Tue, 15 March 2016, 09:47:52
Is Ivanivanovich still a moderator?and a Global one
L.E: if someone wants to take the risk my order is for grabs at a discount , full set, mods and spacebars . I wouldn't advise but feel free to PM me.
Lol, glws
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 09:51:10
Is Ivanivanovich still a moderator?and a Global one
L.E: if someone wants to take the risk my order is for grabs at a discount , full set, mods and spacebars . I wouldn't advise but feel free to PM me.
Why would you sell something you would advise someone not to buy?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:01:20
Ivan did make an order with GMK.
Thanks for asking Ivan and posting! :thumb:
Thanks HoffmanMyster for claiming something you didn't actually know. Well that went well! I don't know in which world this kind of painting things over helps the community. :mad:
You're welcome! :thumb:
It's clear that you aren't interested in being productive here, but would rather have a scapegoat to shout at. I can't and will not apologize for being lied to just as you have been.
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:10:53
Well ... because I want to be fair ? or **** like that :))L.E: if someone wants to take the risk my order is for grabs at a discount , full set, mods and spacebars . I wouldn't advise but feel free to PM me.
Why would you sell something you would advise someone not to buy?
Post by: redskull on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:14:30
now man up and go look for Ivan. at least Ivan is supposed to be in the US and let him clear up things.
Post by: WNovizar on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:16:44
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:29:59
someone needs to go find Ivan and get things straight. last time during the Drugger incident, so many talked **** about going to korea, smack him good and whatnot.
now man up and go look for Ivan. at least Ivan is supposed to be in the US and let him clear up things.
It's internet.... everyone always talks a big game... I'm not surprised NONE of those "**** talkers" did anything about it.
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:35:32
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Post by: Photekq on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:27:48
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:48:35
This is a big one. Ivan has always been seen as a trusted GB runner. Perhaps even the most trusted GB runner along with elton and a few others. I'm sure that his betrayal will dissuade a large number of people from ever partaking in another GB.
Absolutely. This is a HUGE knock to community confidence in member-run group buys, no doubt.
It's also a huge betrayal on a personal level, having helped Ivan sort group buys twice. :(
Post by: Prelim on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:49:28
(please insert coin)
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:51:37
/game over
(please insert coin)
Okay:
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Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:53:50
/game over
(please insert coin)
Cant, Ivan has all my coins
Post by: yicaoyimu on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:56:25
This is a big one. Ivan has always been seen as a trusted GB runner. Perhaps even the most trusted GB runner along with elton and a few others. I'm sure that his betrayal will dissuade a large number of people from ever partaking in another GB.
I will still join your GB with no hesitation though :cool:
Post by: Prelim on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:57:17
it's game over for all you guys and Ivan got away with about 30k coins :/
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:57:31
I will still join your GB with no hesitation though :cool:That means an awful lot considering this event.
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:58:49
Post by: redskull on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:12:10
/game over
(please insert coin)
Cant, Ivan has all my coins
luls.
anyway, someone should go check up on him and see whats going on for real.
Post by: tigersharkdude on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:36:34
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Post by: FLFisherman on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:38:39
everyone ragged my case about running a CMK spacebar buy because of this GB ....Show Image(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/b/bd/Dr.evil_laugh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124135557)
tigersharkdude has no chill. :))
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:43:22
This is a big one. Ivan has always been seen as a trusted GB runner. Perhaps even the most trusted GB runner along with elton and a few others. I'm sure that his betrayal will dissuade a large number of people from ever partaking in another GB.
This, the growing sentiment of not being able to trust members on here is exactly why I decided to go with MassDrop for my GB. MassDrop, PMK provide a safer alternative than individuals but the cost we are having to pay is much too large; trusted members like WFD and Ivan bailing out is really hurting the community.
I really hope this is false and there is a reasonable explanation from Ivan.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:44:32
everyone ragged my case about running a CMK spacebar buy because of this GB ....Show Image(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/b/bd/Dr.evil_laugh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124135557)
I tried to join, but didn't get a response to try and pay via PayPal. :-[
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:45:18
If this is really true, and Ivan boged out with everyone's money, it seems like the community needs to get together and come up with a solution for this problem. These group buys should not be "cash deals" where one guy is responsible for all that money. It't too liquid, and clearly the temptation to dip into the honey pot (or just abscond with the whole damn thing) is too real for this to go on.
I suggest a kickstarter for a company whose sole purpose is to interface between the cap makers and the GB organizers. this company should also hold the money in escrow, and keep tabs on the process. GB organizers should be vetted, and there should be some milestone agreements for every group buy. It is still hard to believe we have been so loose with these transactions which can reach 6-digit dollar figures.
I truly hope this will spark some conversation on the issue. There is just too much exposure to risk by all parties
Post by: tigersharkdude on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:46:17
everyone ragged my case about running a CMK spacebar buy because of this GB ....Show Image(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/b/bd/Dr.evil_laugh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124135557)
tigersharkdude has no chill. :))
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Post by: pwade3 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:47:27
This is a big one. Ivan has always been seen as a trusted GB runner. Perhaps even the most trusted GB runner along with elton and a few others. I'm sure that his betrayal will dissuade a large number of people from ever partaking in another GB.
This, the growing sentiment of not being able to trust members on here is exactly why I decided to go with MassDrop for my GB. MassDrop, PMK provide a safer alternative than individuals but the cost we are having to pay is much too large; trusted members like WFD and Ivan bailing out is really hurting the community.
I really hope this is false and there is a reasonable explanation from Ivan.
What potential reasonable explanation could there be though? Unless he's dead or in jail I don't foresee many explanations being accepted at the moment.
Post by: tigersharkdude on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:47:29
everyone ragged my case about running a CMK spacebar buy because of this GB ....Show Image(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/b/bd/Dr.evil_laugh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124135557)
I tried to join, but didn't get a response to try and pay via PayPal. :-[
Shouldve messaged me, PayPal option was added later into the buy.
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:59:46
everyone ragged my case about running a CMK spacebar buy because of this GB ....Show Image(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/b/bd/Dr.evil_laugh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124135557)
I tried to join, but didn't get a response to try and pay via PayPal. :-[
pm'd you. I think something happened to your PayPal, right?
Post by: ShardZer0 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 13:12:59
Post by: the big aristotle on Tue, 15 March 2016, 13:19:55
Post by: madhias on Tue, 15 March 2016, 13:22:14
I think I will also go with Massdrop, vendors or finished goods in future.
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 15 March 2016, 13:23:11
Now I feel like a pooper. I sold my order a few months back to Doob :( Sorry Doob!
I sold mine to Glenmael. Sorry broski. :(
Post by: Lepidus on Tue, 15 March 2016, 13:24:18
someone needs to go find Ivan and get things straight. last time during the Drugger incident, so many talked **** about going to korea, smack him good and whatnot.
now man up and go look for Ivan. at least Ivan is supposed to be in the US and let him clear up things.
Lets break his other arm! :))
Post by: naasfu on Tue, 15 March 2016, 13:32:20
Post by: likewen623 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:32:05
Post by: demik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:51:04
Post by: inanis on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:57:12
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:58:45
This is obviously too late but... I think GH should limit how many GBs a single person (or group) can run and how big a GB can get. The amount of scams this place has is ridiculous. And this won't be the last time.
While it would be great to implement some sort of system, it would be kind of hard to organize. The community is far too trusting at times..
I am just hoping that the mods can help in this situation since some of them have had actual contact with Ivan before.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:01:21
I am just hoping that the mods can help in this situation since some of them have had actual contact with Ivan before.
For the record, I reached out via email last night and text this afternoon. I will post whether I receive a response or not.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:01:27
FranksNewLiver is trolling us and the email is fake?
Post by: demik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:03:28
This is obviously too late but... I think GH should limit how many GBs a single person (or group) can run and how big a GB can get. The amount of scams this place has is ridiculous. And this won't be the last time.
While it would be great to implement some sort of system, it would be kind of hard to organize. The community is far too trusting at times..
I am just hoping that the mods can help in this situation since some of them have had actual contact with Ivan before.
Yup, too trusting. Hopefully this gets resolved... although the three GBs. Damn n
Post by: yicaoyimu on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:04:35
What if
FranksNewLiver is trolling us and the email is fake?
How about: Let's assume the RS84 producer is also lying?
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:07:03
I am just hoping that the mods can help in this situation since some of them have had actual contact with Ivan before.
For the record, I reached out via email last night and text this afternoon. I will post whether I receive a response or not.
Thanks Hoff.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:12:48
What if
FranksNewLiver is trolling us and the email is fake?
How about: Let's assume the RS84 producer is also lying?
Yeah, that too.
Post by: Willyc277 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:14:25
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:20:26
What if
FranksNewLiver is trolling us and the email is fake?
How about: Let's assume the RS84 producer is also lying?
Yeah, that too.
If I were trolling I would have faked a production and packaging completed with a freight pickup scheduled for Thursday e-mail. Getting hopes up and then watching them get crushed is way more satisfying than kicking people when they're already down.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:23:18
If I were trolling I would have faked a production and packaging completed with a freight pickup scheduled for Thursday e-mail.
You can still do it, if you want.
Post by: demik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:26:03
someone needs to go find Ivan and get things straight. last time during the Drugger incident, so many talked **** about going to korea, smack him good and whatnot.
now man up and go look for Ivan. at least Ivan is supposed to be in the US and let him clear up things.
Somebody record it. I'll donate my GoPro if this happens.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:28:37
If I were trolling I would have faked a production and packaging completed with a freight pickup scheduled for Thursday e-mail.
You can still do it, if you want.
No you ruined it. Any kind of screen shot now will be under scrutiny because of you.
Post by: LeandreN on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:30:33
The amount of scams this place has is ridiculous. And this won't be the last time.
;)
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:30:51
If I were trolling I would have faked a production and packaging completed with a freight pickup scheduled for Thursday e-mail.
You can still do it, if you want.
No you ruined it. Any kind of screen shot now will be under scrutiny because of you.
Good.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:38:57
This is a big one. Ivan has always been seen as a trusted GB runner. Perhaps even the most trusted GB runner along with elton and a few others. I'm sure that his betrayal will dissuade a large number of people from ever partaking in another GB.
Absolutely. This is a HUGE knock to community confidence in member-run group buys, no doubt.
It's also a huge betrayal on a personal level, having helped Ivan sort group buys twice. :(
Yea, this isn't good. One of the best of the bunch no longer is reliable.
Post by: zzyjayfree on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:48:20
I know GH moderates are all volunteers but it will be so great if we can have this done.
Post by: demik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:51:01
This is a big one. Ivan has always been seen as a trusted GB runner. Perhaps even the most trusted GB runner along with elton and a few others. I'm sure that his betrayal will dissuade a large number of people from ever partaking in another GB.He got too big for his own good.
Elton has ran multiple GBs but from what I remember they weren't running one on top of the other. Bill has done the same, finished one and went on to the other. The problem is when one person or group (remember redline?) has a ton of **** going on and can't handle it. The list of trusted members gets slimmer and slimmer with every one of these problems.
Post by: Prelim on Tue, 15 March 2016, 16:00:59
- Creating a deadline for GMK/SP/Gateron/etc payment, after MOQ is reached (GB organizer would be required to post a payment proof from supplier). This deadline should also be shorter than the PP dispute period, in order to let users have their right to ask their money back if seller turn out to be a scammer.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 15 March 2016, 16:17:43
This is obviously too late but... I think GH should limit how many GBs a single person (or group) can run and how big a GB can get. The amount of scams this place has is ridiculous. And this won't be the last time.
Yup, been saying this a while now. Helps prevent many buys failing if a single member craps out, and keeps others accountable to totally finish GB's before starting new ones.
Post by: tigersharkdude on Tue, 15 March 2016, 16:19:35
This is obviously too late but... I think GH should limit how many GBs a single person (or group) can run and how big a GB can get. The amount of scams this place has is ridiculous. And this won't be the last time.
Yup, been saying this a while now.
Yup, imho a single person shouldn't attempt more than 1-2 group buys at the same time. I personally couldn't imagine the headache that 3+ group buys would cause
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 15 March 2016, 16:37:47
ivan is like santa, you don't hear from him most days, but when he shows up, its always with something good.
He NEVER fails to impress when it comes to delivering on GMKs 8) .
Everyone shall have their bodies fully disturbed when your eyeballs meet these beauties, in fact the colours will remind you that the 80's WERE the best when it came to bright pastels.
You won't establish trust by shaming newbies and making excuses for bad behaviour of organizers.
If your motto is about ONLY trusting people before handing over your money, then you better get out of here.
Go buy on Ebay because then you'll have a corporation protecting you there but here on GH, it's basically about guessing who to side with. Personally have dealt with Ivan numerous times in the past so I know what's to be expected but noobs better not participate at all. In fact all you're doing is further hampering everyone's chance of getting these items.
Like I said before, certain people here on GH are trustworthy it's only the no names you need to watch out for but that is why risking everything is worth the pay off. If you don't like risking anything go to a fvcking store and buy your gear but don't come here and b1tch and whine about someone not wiping your arse 24/7.
Imagine being in a 7bit Group Buy, most of you lot would of bailed instead of waiting nearly two years for his key-sets (although they are worth it) :)) .
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
It's the idiot noobs that are doing this >:D .
This may be their first GB and low and behold they start a dispute when they don't get an answer straight away. These are the ignorant ones who have never been in an Ivan Group Buy before because they are long, not as bad as 7bit GB's but close enough.
The word these new noobs need to learn quickly is to be patient because everything will be delivered by Ivan, he has everything in control and the Good stuff will always take time.
Has Ivan done this kind of thing before? Just wondering as I guess I am a 'noob' (don't even know what is meant by that).
He has ran multiple GBs for the community so far, and he has always delivered.
You're dealing with Ivan and he has NEVER duped, stolen or misrepresented anything when it comes to running any of his Group Buys.
He has become less and less corresponding in his section as time goes by simply because running these things has become boring and uneventful because you are relying upon more numbers of people to sign in and also for GMK to come on line (guessing here).
So for all the youngsters interested in felching their way to the top here, save your time and effort because he doesn't need that right now but he could do with some loyalty and perseverance. I've dealt with him before (am in this GB also) and he isn't as bad as 7bit. By the way anyone who hates waiting for two years on their key-caps should participate in his Group Buys, then you'll know what dedication is all about 8) .
So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
Who needs more idiot morons to participate in a Group Buy? We should be separating those ingrates from the greater population, rather than encouraging them to join ;) .
Post by: ATXTider on Tue, 15 March 2016, 16:44:18
PAGING ELRICK, Ivan could really use your undying support now, get in there!!!ivan is like santa, you don't hear from him most days, but when he shows up, its always with something good.
He NEVER fails to impress when it comes to delivering on GMKs 8) .
Everyone shall have their bodies fully disturbed when your eyeballs meet these beauties, in fact the colours will remind you that the 80's WERE the best when it came to bright pastels.You won't establish trust by shaming newbies and making excuses for bad behaviour of organizers.
If your motto is about ONLY trusting people before handing over your money, then you better get out of here.
Go buy on Ebay because then you'll have a corporation protecting you there but here on GH, it's basically about guessing who to side with. Personally have dealt with Ivan numerous times in the past so I know what's to be expected but noobs better not participate at all. In fact all you're doing is further hampering everyone's chance of getting these items.
Like I said before, certain people here on GH are trustworthy it's only the no names you need to watch out for but that is why risking everything is worth the pay off. If you don't like risking anything go to a fvcking store and buy your gear but don't come here and b1tch and whine about someone not wiping your arse 24/7.
Imagine being in a 7bit Group Buy, most of you lot would of bailed instead of waiting nearly two years for his key-sets (although they are worth it) :)) .I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
It's the idiot noobs that are doing this >:D .
This may be their first GB and low and behold they start a dispute when they don't get an answer straight away. These are the ignorant ones who have never been in an Ivan Group Buy before because they are long, not as bad as 7bit GB's but close enough.
The word these new noobs need to learn quickly is to be patient because everything will be delivered by Ivan, he has everything in control and the Good stuff will always take time.Has Ivan done this kind of thing before? Just wondering as I guess I am a 'noob' (don't even know what is meant by that).
He has ran multiple GBs for the community so far, and he has always delivered.
You're dealing with Ivan and he has NEVER duped, stolen or misrepresented anything when it comes to running any of his Group Buys.
He has become less and less corresponding in his section as time goes by simply because running these things has become boring and uneventful because you are relying upon more numbers of people to sign in and also for GMK to come on line (guessing here).
So for all the youngsters interested in felching their way to the top here, save your time and effort because he doesn't need that right now but he could do with some loyalty and perseverance. I've dealt with him before (am in this GB also) and he isn't as bad as 7bit. By the way anyone who hates waiting for two years on their key-caps should participate in his Group Buys, then you'll know what dedication is all about 8) .So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
Who needs more idiot morons to participate in a Group Buy? We should be separating those ingrates from the greater population, rather than encouraging them to join ;) .
YES, WE NEED HIS BLATANT HOMERISM AT A TIME LIKE THIS!
Post by: billnye on Tue, 15 March 2016, 16:49:02
It also hurts to hear people condemning personal group buy runners. I don't blame people for wanting more protection when they buy, but it is not fair to condemn all people who run a group buy by themselves and say that we are all not trustworthy. Personally, I will continue to support group buys run by members of the community and accept the risk of losing my money.
Post by: MaNiFeX on Tue, 15 March 2016, 17:38:38
being lied to just as you have been.
God I hope not. I was really excited for this one. Thought it was in line and paid for at GMK. Thanks for being here and commenting!
This is only my 3rd group buy, the other two went along fine (one from Ivan, too). Barring Ivan coming in and clearing things up, what does one do at this point in a group buy? Is the only option to wait and see?
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 15 March 2016, 17:45:42
All we can do right now is sit tight, wait for more info to show up, and hope that there is a very good reason for this. Because this does not look good.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 March 2016, 18:07:19
Barring Ivan coming in and clearing things up, what does one do at this point in a group buy? Is the only option to wait and see?
Nothing. There is nothing to do at this point, short of taking legal action or busting his door down and confronting him. It really sucks to hear (and say) that, and trust me when I say that I am in the same boat as you guys - I have money tied up in this too - so I know the pain.
I'm still working on digging up what might have happened here, but aside from that there's not much to be done.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 15 March 2016, 18:11:00
Always sad to hear about group buys going down. I have known Ivan for a while and never would have thought he would do something like this. I am hoping he will be back soon with an explanation.
It also hurts to hear people condemning personal group buy runners. I don't blame people for wanting more protection when they buy, but it is not fair to condemn all people who run a group buy by themselves and say that we are all not trustworthy. Personally, I will continue to support group buys run by members of the community and accept the risk of losing my money.
lol says the guy who still owes me a refund
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 15 March 2016, 18:51:49
lol says the guy who still owes me a refundThis is not the place for petty **** flinging at someone who has no part in the GB in question.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:00:45
lol says the guy who still owes me a refundThis is not the place for petty **** flinging at someone who has no part in the GB in question.
of course, let's keep the **** flinging in this thread pointed at ivan, right? just too ironic not to have a laugh
sorry for OT
Post by: effectiveduck on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:08:46
lol says the guy who still owes me a refundThis is not the place for petty **** flinging at someone who has no part in the GB in question.
of course, let's keep the **** flinging in this thread pointed at ivan, right? just too ironic not to have a laugh
sorry for OT
Well the situations are completely different, Ivan fo'd with tens of thousands of dollars, bill delivered his gb and is finishing it off now. In fact it's kind of selfish to use a platform where hundreds of people have lost money to complain that a successful gb runner, who's gb is still going, has yet to refund you.
Post by: billnye on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:19:08
I sent you a refund in February and I can post a picture of the PayPal transaction that I have already sent to you in PM if you would like.Always sad to hear about group buys going down. I have known Ivan for a while and never would have thought he would do something like this. I am hoping he will be back soon with an explanation.
It also hurts to hear people condemning personal group buy runners. I don't blame people for wanting more protection when they buy, but it is not fair to condemn all people who run a group buy by themselves and say that we are all not trustworthy. Personally, I will continue to support group buys run by members of the community and accept the risk of losing my money.
lol says the guy who still owes me a refund
Please send me a personal message if you wish to discuss this further.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:22:45
lol says the guy who still owes me a refundThis is not the place for petty **** flinging at someone who has no part in the GB in question.
of course, let's keep the **** flinging in this thread pointed at ivan, right? just too ironic not to have a laugh
sorry for OT
Well the situations are completely different, Ivan fo'd with tens of thousands of dollars, bill delivered his gb and is finishing it off now. In fact it's kind of selfish to use a platform where hundreds of people have lost money to complain that a successful gb runner, who's gb is still going, has yet to refund you.
alright, i'll try and bring this back from the brink..
what is the protocol on refunds, then? how about asking for updates on a group buy status? I have seen many people shouted down and chastised for making too much noise about their concerns. just have a peek at the hyperfuse thread for countless examples. All credit to Cody and Bun on what they do - they are great at resolving those isseues, but here we have the other side of the coin. Plenty of people here got nervous or upset on lack of communication. The common response was to just "chill" Granted, we still dont know what happened, but those people could be SOL.
I think there needs to be a real change in how things are run, and how they are moderated. like i said before, i think GB organizers should be vetted, and there should be some milestone requirements for posting info. Some authority should moderate the entire process, and the money should go into escrow or some regulated third party. Reducing the number of GB a person can run simultaneously is also a good idea
Post by: nickheller on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:24:36
That is all fine, but Ivan still would have been able to run these buys, up until now he has been extremely reliable. Some group buys will go bad, it sucks, but it is just the way things are.lol says the guy who still owes me a refundThis is not the place for petty **** flinging at someone who has no part in the GB in question.
of course, let's keep the **** flinging in this thread pointed at ivan, right? just too ironic not to have a laugh
sorry for OT
Well the situations are completely different, Ivan fo'd with tens of thousands of dollars, bill delivered his gb and is finishing it off now. In fact it's kind of selfish to use a platform where hundreds of people have lost money to complain that a successful gb runner, who's gb is still going, has yet to refund you.
alright, i'll try and bring this back from the brink..
what is the protocol on refunds, then? how about asking for updates on a group buy status? I have seen many people shouted down and chastised for making too much noise about their concerns. just have a peek at the hyperfuse thread for countless examples. All credit to Cody and Bun on what they do - they are great at resolving those isseues, but here we have the other side of the coin. Plenty of people here got nervous or upset on lack of communication. The common response was to just "chill" Granted, we still dont know what happened, but those people could be SOL.
I think there needs to be a real change in how things are run, and how they are moderated. like i said before, i think GB organizers should be vetted, and there should be some milestone requirements for posting info. Some authority should moderate the entire process, and the money should go into escrow or some regulated third party. Reducing the number of GB a person can run simultaneously is also a good idea
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:25:18
Post by: effectiveduck on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:34:08
lol says the guy who still owes me a refundThis is not the place for petty **** flinging at someone who has no part in the GB in question.
of course, let's keep the **** flinging in this thread pointed at ivan, right? just too ironic not to have a laugh
sorry for OT
Well the situations are completely different, Ivan fo'd with tens of thousands of dollars, bill delivered his gb and is finishing it off now. In fact it's kind of selfish to use a platform where hundreds of people have lost money to complain that a successful gb runner, who's gb is still going, has yet to refund you.
alright, i'll try and bring this back from the brink..
what is the protocol on refunds, then? how about asking for updates on a group buy status? I have seen many people shouted down and chastised for making too much noise about their concerns. just have a peek at the hyperfuse thread for countless examples. All credit to Cody and Bun on what they do - they are great at resolving those isseues, but here we have the other side of the coin. Plenty of people here got nervous or upset on lack of communication. The common response was to just "chill" Granted, we still dont know what happened, but those people could be SOL.
I think there needs to be a real change in how things are run, and how they are moderated. like i said before, i think GB organizers should be vetted, and there should be some milestone requirements for posting info. Some authority should moderate the entire process, and the money should go into escrow or some regulated third party. Reducing the number of GB a person can run simultaneously is also a good idea
I have no issue with asking for a refund, or any other of the general enquires you mentioned, it's the manner, time and place you decided to bring it up that I have a problem with.
And I agree that more should be done in the future to help the legitimacy of Geekhack run GBs in the future, but that's another conversation.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:27:28
It be great to get some input from the Mods, maybe HoffmanMyster? Is there any positive confirmation that this buy is boned other than the lack of order for Miami Nights?
I reached out to Ivan last night when things started getting shaky (before the news was posted in the GMK buy thread), to A) verify he is alive and well and B) follow up with a direct inquiry as to the status of these three buys. I did receive an email back from him last night (I mistakenly said in the GMK buy that he had not responded, which is not true - I didn't see his response at the time) and he said all is fine but he is not active much (I had not asked about the buys at this point). I have responded asking very pointedly for an update re: lack of orders placed. No word yet, but I will update as I can.
Post by: naasfu on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:30:10
Post by: HelixDan on Tue, 15 March 2016, 22:27:04
thanks hoff for the update and for trying to get in touch with ivan.
然并卵
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 15 March 2016, 22:28:22
然而并没有什么卵用thanks hoff for the update and for trying to get in touch with ivan.
然并卵
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:18:14
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Post by: beehatch on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:20:20
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Well I was wondering what that said. Slightly amused.
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:20:32
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Post by: ATXTider on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:29:14
everyone ragged my case about running a CMK spacebar buy because of this GB ....Show Image(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingdead/images/b/bd/Dr.evil_laugh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124135557)
Guilty as charged. Got any extras? LOL!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:30:34
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I can only hope this is an idiom.
Definitely no eggs here. :(
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:33:08
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:36:09
然并卵 but to no avail¿Que dijo? Español por favor. :rolleyes:
Post by: demik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:37:01
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Well I was wondering what that said. Slightly amused.
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然并卵 but to no avail¿Que dijo? Español por favor. :rolleyes:
que como quieres tus huevos
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 15 March 2016, 23:46:47
All the kind-hearted and honest participants in th GB wait for update from IVAN, 然并卵
Post by: appleonama on Wed, 16 March 2016, 00:09:02
All the kind-hearted and honest participants in th GB wait for update from IVAN, but to no avail
All the kind-hearted and honest participants in th GB wait for update from IVAN, 然并卵
Huevos estrellados por favor :D
Post by: naasfu on Wed, 16 March 2016, 00:37:29
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haha well of course we all know how that old proverb goes:
and then the eggs.
Post by: redskull on Wed, 16 March 2016, 00:39:11
PAGING ELRICK, Ivan could really use your undying support now, get in there!!!ivan is like santa, you don't hear from him most days, but when he shows up, its always with something good.
He NEVER fails to impress when it comes to delivering on GMKs 8) .
Everyone shall have their bodies fully disturbed when your eyeballs meet these beauties, in fact the colours will remind you that the 80's WERE the best when it came to bright pastels.You won't establish trust by shaming newbies and making excuses for bad behaviour of organizers.
If your motto is about ONLY trusting people before handing over your money, then you better get out of here.
Go buy on Ebay because then you'll have a corporation protecting you there but here on GH, it's basically about guessing who to side with. Personally have dealt with Ivan numerous times in the past so I know what's to be expected but noobs better not participate at all. In fact all you're doing is further hampering everyone's chance of getting these items.
Like I said before, certain people here on GH are trustworthy it's only the no names you need to watch out for but that is why risking everything is worth the pay off. If you don't like risking anything go to a fvcking store and buy your gear but don't come here and b1tch and whine about someone not wiping your arse 24/7.
Imagine being in a 7bit Group Buy, most of you lot would of bailed instead of waiting nearly two years for his key-sets (although they are worth it) :)) .I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
It's the idiot noobs that are doing this >:D .
This may be their first GB and low and behold they start a dispute when they don't get an answer straight away. These are the ignorant ones who have never been in an Ivan Group Buy before because they are long, not as bad as 7bit GB's but close enough.
The word these new noobs need to learn quickly is to be patient because everything will be delivered by Ivan, he has everything in control and the Good stuff will always take time.Has Ivan done this kind of thing before? Just wondering as I guess I am a 'noob' (don't even know what is meant by that).
He has ran multiple GBs for the community so far, and he has always delivered.
You're dealing with Ivan and he has NEVER duped, stolen or misrepresented anything when it comes to running any of his Group Buys.
He has become less and less corresponding in his section as time goes by simply because running these things has become boring and uneventful because you are relying upon more numbers of people to sign in and also for GMK to come on line (guessing here).
So for all the youngsters interested in felching their way to the top here, save your time and effort because he doesn't need that right now but he could do with some loyalty and perseverance. I've dealt with him before (am in this GB also) and he isn't as bad as 7bit. By the way anyone who hates waiting for two years on their key-caps should participate in his Group Buys, then you'll know what dedication is all about 8) .So the way to make friends is to shame other members, white knight for GB organizers, and typographically fellate them and their sets, it would seem.
Shaming parasites is so easy here, you do not deserve the time nor space here on GH because all you do is place unnecessary pressure on the REAL participants.
Who needs more idiot morons to participate in a Group Buy? We should be separating those ingrates from the greater population, rather than encouraging them to join ;) .
oh yikes. luls.
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 16 March 2016, 01:37:57
^
lol!
it feel really hurt when you give a good suggestion but then you get bashed.
is it because ivan was a global moderator back then?
now we all know human is just a human, not some sort of god we should worshiped.
hope you guys still can do a paypal dispute. :thumb:
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 03:45:02
maybe creating a new rule for every Geekhack GB, such as:
- Creating a deadline for GMK/SP/Gateron/etc payment, after MOQ is reached (GB organizer would be required to post a payment proof from supplier). This deadline should also be shorter than the PP dispute period, in order to let users have their right to ask their money back if seller turn out to be a scammer.
I like this idea! :thumb:
Post by: smart5088 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 05:42:12
maybe creating a new rule for every Geekhack GB, such as:
- Creating a deadline for GMK/SP/Gateron/etc payment, after MOQ is reached (GB organizer would be required to post a payment proof from supplier). This deadline should also be shorter than the PP dispute period, in order to let users have their right to ask their money back if seller turn out to be a scammer.
I like to this idea!
This thought. must cooperate.
Post by: K on Wed, 16 March 2016, 05:55:08
Post by: redskull on Wed, 16 March 2016, 06:03:41
I don't get it, why doesn't everyone just run through massdrop? They are 100% legit and don't they even give cheaper shipping rates for most people plus the organiser is under a lot less pressure right? I've bought 3 keycap sets and various other things from them and rarely have problems and when i do they get to it and fix it super quickly. Don't understand the massdrop hate here.
how much massdrop paid you for this?
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Wed, 16 March 2016, 06:05:02
On a serious note: sucks to see this happen :(
Post by: K on Wed, 16 March 2016, 06:20:30
Lol nothing im legitimately curious why people like you blindly hate it so much? Tonnes of keycap sets have run fine off of it...I don't get it, why doesn't everyone just run through massdrop? They are 100% legit and don't they even give cheaper shipping rates for most people plus the organiser is under a lot less pressure right? I've bought 3 keycap sets and various other things from them and rarely have problems and when i do they get to it and fix it super quickly. Don't understand the massdrop hate here.
how much massdrop paid you for this?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 March 2016, 06:27:39
Lol nothing im legitimately curious why people like you blindly hate it so much? Tonnes of keycap sets have run fine off of it...I don't get it, why doesn't everyone just run through massdrop? They are 100% legit and don't they even give cheaper shipping rates for most people plus the organiser is under a lot less pressure right? I've bought 3 keycap sets and various other things from them and rarely have problems and when i do they get to it and fix it super quickly. Don't understand the massdrop hate here.
how much massdrop paid you for this?
There is no blind hatred. Most of us have purchased from MD. But you're essentially barging in to what is a very well established system of community-run group buys, which is not a mentality that's easy to sway. We've had this discussion more times than I can be bothered to keep track of, so I don't think we need to go there again.
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 16 March 2016, 06:28:28
Post by: daviswalkers on Wed, 16 March 2016, 07:24:00
Post by: FLFisherman on Wed, 16 March 2016, 07:26:52
I personally think it's too early for this but I know with previous failed GB's that felt like people ran off with a bunch of money the leader was foreign so legal action was not easy, however in this case as far as I am aware Ivan is based in the USA, so wouldn't it be possible to file police reports or something to try and get our money back? I'm not very familiar with the justice system as far as something like a community driven group buy is concerned but I feel like there's still some action we could take if things go unanswered much longer.
This is certainly a valid course of action if necessary. Small claims court per order is also possible. However, I think this should not be pursued until all possible attempts have been made at contacting him.
Post by: rho0812 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 08:47:39
Ivan .... it was really disappointing. What was not among the ****ing reason.
Be a refund or re progress
And Eric ... what happens now. So then he proudly and confidently
The responsibility to ask Eric.
Post by: retrochick on Wed, 16 March 2016, 08:49:10
Post by: rho0812 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 08:52:58
Obviously, also named Eric Officer.
Post by: limitz on Wed, 16 March 2016, 08:59:04
I personally think it's too early for this but I know with previous failed GB's that felt like people ran off with a bunch of money the leader was foreign so legal action was not easy, however in this case as far as I am aware Ivan is based in the USA, so wouldn't it be possible to file police reports or something to try and get our money back? I'm not very familiar with the justice system as far as something like a community driven group buy is concerned but I feel like there's still some action we could take if things go unanswered much longer.
This is certainly a valid course of action if necessary. Small claims court per order is also possible. However, I think this should not be pursued until all possible attempts have been made at contacting him.
Small claims court requires a filing fee ($50 or so in my state, if not a bit more... half the price of the keycap set), and also the plaintiff to show up in court as well. This is probably impossible for most people.
Post by: renne on Wed, 16 March 2016, 09:12:22
Ivan, please come back.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 March 2016, 09:14:46
Also, before anyone goes full lawyer I do want to mention that sending him a strongly worded letter threatening action might be less effective than anticipated. As some of you know, I took over a failed GB a few months ago in which the organizer did have the items but refused to ship them out. When I was handed all of the items, I was also handed such a note demanding results and threatening legal action. The letter was still completely sealed. :( He just didn't give a crap, and unless you actually follow through, the person in question will just brush it aside and ignore it.
I'm not telling people to just give up, but it is relevant here and honestly quite shocking that someone had ignored such a letter, so just beware. If you're not going to actually follow up, it's probably not worth it to threaten.
Post by: PunksDead on Wed, 16 March 2016, 09:17:54
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Post by: FLFisherman on Wed, 16 March 2016, 09:20:06
I don't know if a court would even hear a case such as this, since it has long surpassed the PayPal chargeback timeline. Does anyone have any idea?
Also, before anyone goes full lawyer I do want to mention that sending him a strongly worded letter threatening action might be less effective than anticipated. As some of you know, I took over a failed GB a few months ago in which the organizer did have the items but refused to ship them out. When I was handed all of the items, I was also handed such a note demanding results and threatening legal action. The letter was still completely sealed. :( He just didn't give a crap, and unless you actually follow through, the person in question will just brush it aside and ignore it.
I'm not telling people to just give up, but it is relevant here and honestly quite shocking that someone had ignored such a letter, so just beware. If you're not going to actually follow up, it's probably not worth it to threaten.
Legal action, specifically small claims court, would require you to send the sheriff to deliver the summons. That's really the only way to get the court to recognize that a "best effort" was put in to contacting the defendant.
It varies from state to state, but the window for filing in small claims court should be around 5 years (please check your state's laws first). The PayPal chargeback deadline is the reason why you're taking the issue to court, so the court (judge) would hear it.
Post by: turboloser on Wed, 16 March 2016, 10:41:16
And if this should be a scam, I would hope it makes Ivan feel good that he was able to put in the ridiculous time and effort to build up a reputation, run successful GBs before and then now decide to go make off with the goods.
Oh and would anyone mind making a Miami Nights GB to
Replace this one? I got a feeling it will take less time than to see this get sorted.
Post by: pwade3 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 10:57:48
This was the first GB I ever joined, I am not going to do a chargeback as I am a curious sort and want to see what happens.
And if this should be a scam, I would hope it makes Ivan feel good that he was able to put in the ridiculous time and effort to build up a reputation, run successful GBs before and then now decide to go make off with the goods.
Oh and would anyone mind making a Miami Nights GB to
Replace this one? I got a feeling it will take less time than to see this get sorted.
Might be difficult to find anyone who will want to deal with the pressure associated with running a restart of this GB. Might also be difficult to find people who will want to risk their money again regardless.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 16 March 2016, 11:02:21
This was the first GB I ever joined, I am not going to do a chargeback as I am a curious sort and want to see what happens.Ha, that's an interesting way to deal with things. :rolleyes:
And if this should be a scam, I would hope it makes Ivan feel good that he was able to put in the ridiculous time and effort to build up a reputation, run successful GBs before and then now decide to go make off with the goods.
Oh and would anyone mind making a Miami Nights GB to
Replace this one? I got a feeling it will take less time than to see this get sorted.
But I have to confess I am curious too. Not that it would make much difference. I believe it is too late for a chargeback now anyway.
This was probably not an elaborate scam but more about having life unexpectedly take over and getting in over his head without seeing a way out.
Still sucks about having money tied up in something without knowing what will or has happened with it.
And it is especially disappointing that people have been lied to.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out. I might even enjoy the drama a little bit. :))
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 16 March 2016, 11:31:46
This was probably not an elaborate scam but more about having life unexpectedly take over and getting in over his head without seeing a way out.
Still sucks about having money tied up in something without knowing what will or has happened with it.
And it is especially disappointing that people have been lied to.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out. I might even enjoy the drama a little bit. :))
I doubt it was also, he didn't seem to skimp on the details of an order, once remembering include replacement spacebar wires from an older GB into a later order when I didn't even ask, thought I totally miss that boat.
Still crap tho. I'd enjoy it too but after the SmallFry GB, which I've abandoned all hope of since last year, I've mostly had enough of the fun that comes from the fallout.
So many Mod run group buys going belly up. mkawa, Ivan's & BunnyLake with the extensive delays (some years) on over 5 of the CtrlAlt buys. Not the best for the site's image, user run group buys are doing well comparably, probably because they're held to normal standards of accountability and can't ghost themselves for months without suspicion.
Post by: Halvar on Wed, 16 March 2016, 12:23:38
This was probably not an elaborate scam but more about having life unexpectedly take over and getting in over his head without seeing a way out.
Still sucks about having money tied up in something without knowing what will or has happened with it.
And it is especially disappointing that people have been lied to.
Yes, I try to believe that, too, but at this point it's pure speculation, which doesn't make much sense to dwell in.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 16 March 2016, 12:29:32
Agreed.This was probably not an elaborate scam but more about having life unexpectedly take over and getting in over his head without seeing a way out.Yes, I try to believe that, too, but at this point it's pure speculation, which doesn't make much sense to dwell in.
Still sucks about having money tied up in something without knowing what will or has happened with it.
And it is especially disappointing that people have been lied to.
Post by: Karura on Wed, 16 March 2016, 12:34:33
We can speculate all day, but without communication from him, it is really not that beneficial to anyone.
It disheartens me to find out about the current state of the GB, as I was really looking forward to the modpack and spacebars.
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 16 March 2016, 14:48:59
It hurts to lose this money, for me it's almost 10% from what I earn in a month, hard worked money... I heard some say that they would still risk losing the money than lose faith in GB's run by individuals, I'm not in that boat, for me this is not petty cash. Don't mind spending it on my hobby.
Post by: tigersharkdude on Wed, 16 March 2016, 15:05:11
I didn't buy black spacebars from the other GB because I knew I had some coming from this one :))
It hurts to lose this money, for me it's almost 10% from what I earn in a month, hard worked money... I heard some say that they would still risk losing the money than lose faith in GB's run by individuals, I'm not in that boat, for me this is not petty cash. Don't mind spending it on my hobby.
FWIW, when my spacebar buy comes in we will have extras
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 16 March 2016, 15:07:42
I didn't buy black spacebars from the other GB because I knew I had some coming from this one :))
It hurts to lose this money, for me it's almost 10% from what I earn in a month, hard worked money... I heard some say that they would still risk losing the money than lose faith in GB's run by individuals, I'm not in that boat, for me this is not petty cash. Don't mind spending it on my hobby.
FWIW, when my spacebar buy comes in we will have extras
Sweet! You'll save the day for some of us! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: Limewirelord on Wed, 16 March 2016, 15:23:36
Definitely kind of sucks considering how nice the colorway is.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 March 2016, 16:17:15
So many Mod run group buys going belly up. mkawa, Ivan's & BunnyLake with the extensive delays (some years) on over 5 of the CtrlAlt buys. Not the best for the site's image, user run group buys are doing well comparably, probably because they're held to normal standards of accountability and can't ghost themselves for months without suspicion.
BunnyLake is not a moderator btw.
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:03:22
BunnyLake is not a moderator btw.
annd neither is mkawa, doh, their high post count and being mods of store subforums throws me off
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:08:52
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:10:54
This is a big one. Ivan has always been seen as a trusted GB runner. Perhaps even the most trusted GB runner along with elton and a few others. I'm sure that his betrayal will dissuade a large number of people from ever partaking in another GB.
Absolutely. This is a HUGE knock to community confidence in member-run group buys, no doubt.
It's also a huge betrayal on a personal level, having helped Ivan sort group buys twice. :(
I'm SAD! I was really looking forward to this. My Star Cluster now feels lost!!
Post by: romevi on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:11:02
Post by: Firebolt1914 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:29:20
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:33:55
I really think that something must be done to almost set an example. Currently there is no punishment other than the fact that you are total scum and being shunned from the forumsNo need to grab your pitchfork and torch. It won't do you any good anyway.
We have had examples being set in the past. Go and read up on the history of Sherraton from Originative. He lost mod status and his subforum.
But he seems to have redeemed himself lately. Give Ivan a chance to make this right.
But that was in a different way from what is going on here.
Post by: appleonama on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:39:10
From what I read sherry was being spotty on fulfilling orders.I really think that something must be done to almost set an example. Currently there is no punishment other than the fact that you are total scum and being shunned from the forumsNo need to grab your pitchfork and torch. It won't do you any good anyway.
We have had examples being set in the past. Go and read up on the history of Sherraton from Originative. He lost mod status and his subforum.
But he seems to have redeemed himself lately. Give Ivan a chance to make this right.
But that was in a different way from what is going on here.
Ivan is straight up lying about production for more than 9 months. If there was something wrong with him he could've updated the us, but he kept posting updates asking people to wait and stop doing paypal chargebacks. How do you possibly get excused for lying that long?
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:41:59
We have had examples being set in the past. Go and read up on the history of Sherraton from Originative. He lost mod status and his subforum.
But he seems to have redeemed himself lately. Give Ivan a chance to make this right.
Same thing happened to Redline, yet the person who royally screwed the GH60 buy still has an artisan forum and there's no indication that that will change. Mods have remained silent on that issue when asked. There's not always consistency on those issues.
It definitely is a situation where some input is needed given the reliable history of Ivan. I have a hard time believing that he would disappear absent something outside of his control, especially everything he's done for the community as a whole and individuals in it in the past. Hopefully he didn't do a runner and hopefully there is an answer soon for what is going on. If he did do a runner, it would be a huge blow.
Things like this, the unfulfilled orders with some ancient CtrlAlt buys, and other GB issues really do reinforce the notion that you should only be able to run a single group buy at a time and that we need to figure out some sort of escrow situation for group buys.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:43:57
BunnyLake is not a moderator btw.
annd neither is mkawa, doh, their high post count and being mods of store subforums throws me off
mkawa was the only acting site admin until he stepped down.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 16 March 2016, 18:00:11
We have had examples being set in the past. Go and read up on the history of Sherraton from Originative. He lost mod status and his subforum.
But he seems to have redeemed himself lately. Give Ivan a chance to make this right.
Same thing happened to Redline, yet the person who royally screwed the GH60 buy still has an artisan forum and there's no indication that that will change. Mods have remained silent on that issue when asked. There's not always consistency on those issues.
It definitely is a situation where some input is needed given the reliable history of Ivan. I have a hard time believing that he would disappear absent something outside of his control, especially everything he's done for the community as a whole and individuals in it in the past. Hopefully he didn't do a runner and hopefully there is an answer soon for what is going on. If he did do a runner, it would be a huge blow.
Things like this, the unfulfilled orders with some ancient CtrlAlt buys, and other GB issues really do reinforce the notion that you should only be able to run a single group buy at a time and that we need to figure out some sort of escrow situation for group buys.
Making GBs last on gh is gonna be harder to do if this situation isn't resolved professionally soon. There has been a lot done by and for the community these years, but if you're holding back heaps of product and/or money, using the "it's just a hobby" excuse isn't going to last much longer.
At this point, the only thing Ivan can do is just outright say he was unable to place the order, but he could at least place the order asap and provide proof. I'd still be down for this GB.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 16 March 2016, 18:42:02
If I haven't heard a comprehensive update from Ivan in the next 48 hours I am contacting the FBI regarding a case of international wire fraud
Post by: rho0812 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 19:05:29
Ivan parties, as well as Eric also without any explanation.
Now that they can not be re unaware of this fact.
Clearly, members living in their neighborhood should have taken legal action against them
Is that.
If overseas users can also wish I could participate.
Post by: Prelim on Wed, 16 March 2016, 19:37:22
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 16 March 2016, 21:14:29
FBI lol...
Yep talking to Special Agent Burt Macklin right now
Post by: ika on Wed, 16 March 2016, 21:34:59
Post by: romevi on Wed, 16 March 2016, 21:35:59
who the **** is Eric
Elrick the hype master, I'm assuming.
Post by: tigersharkdude on Wed, 16 March 2016, 21:51:42
who the **** is Eric
Elrick the hype master, I'm assuming.
Elrick von Lichtenstein
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 16 March 2016, 21:54:13
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 16 March 2016, 22:47:20
I am just hoping that the mods can help in this situation since some of them have had actual contact with Ivan before.
For the record, I reached out via email last night and text this afternoon. I will post whether I receive a response or not.
any update, Hoff?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 March 2016, 23:18:47
I am just hoping that the mods can help in this situation since some of them have had actual contact with Ivan before.
For the record, I reached out via email last night and text this afternoon. I will post whether I receive a response or not.
any update, Hoff?
Nothin'. :(
Post by: redskull on Wed, 16 March 2016, 23:48:29
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 March 2016, 23:50:54
where the **** is Elrick anyway? is he really in on this too with Ivan?
Elrick has regularly vanished for some time before reappearing. Let's hold off on the conspiracy theories until we have more information. No sense roping a bunch of people into this, even if it's just a theory.
Post by: whentheclouds on Thu, 17 March 2016, 00:04:56
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 00:15:48
Post by: Halvar on Thu, 17 March 2016, 05:56:52
I don't want to excuse this behaviour, in fact it doesn't really make too much of a difference, because he also didn't correct HoffmanMyster's statement that the order had gone out, and he probably lied to HoffmanMyster (we don't know how he phrased it to him).
Where it does make a difference: as slim as the chance of this actually happening may be, in my book Ivan still has the chance to step up, give an explanation or an excuse as to why he delayed the actual order to GMK, and either go on with the actual order or refund everyone. In my book, he has a certain time, maybe two weeks or a month, to come up with a solution for the situation.
If he doesn't take that chance, shouldn't there be a way to press fraud charges against him? I'm pretty sure that our money is lost in that case, and I don't think there's an effective way for us to get it back in US civil law, but shouldn't there at least be a way to have him punished by penal law for fraud? How does this work in the USA? There must be a way to press charges against someone without living in the same county.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 06:11:00
FWIW, while Ivan left us with the impression that the order to GMK had gone out, he never really outright lied in this thread. He was asked many times if the order had been sent out, but he never answered that important question by himself (which was kind of suspicious). All he ever said himself was that things are taking longer than expected and will go on at some point. He did leave that important information out, but didn't make actual false statements.
I don't want to excuse this behaviour, in fact it doesn't really make too much of a difference, because he also didn't correct HoffmanMyster's statement that the order had gone out, and he probably lied to HoffmanMyster (we don't know how he phrased it to him).
Where it does make a difference: as slim as the chance of this actually happening may be, in my book Ivan still has the chance to step up, give an explanation or an excuse as to why he delayed the actual order to GMK, and either go on with the actual order or refund everyone. In my book, he has a certain time, maybe two weeks or a month, to come up with a solution for the situation.
If he doesn't take that chance, shouldn't there be a way to press fraud charges against him? I'm pretty sure that our money is lost in that case, and I don't think there's an effective way for us to get it back in US civil law, but shouldn't there at least be a way to have him punished by penal law for fraud? How does this work in the USA? There must be a way to press charges against someone without living in the same county.
Okay let me get this straight. Two days ago you were oh so certain that my actions were malicious (to the point that you publicly called me out with absolutely no evidence), but Ivan gets all these passes and benefits of the doubt? You seem like a real pleasant individual. :rolleyes:
Post by: Halvar on Thu, 17 March 2016, 06:18:31
Post by: redskull on Thu, 17 March 2016, 06:20:54
Post by: Prelim on Thu, 17 March 2016, 07:53:58
Yep talking to Special Agent Burt Macklin right now
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Post by: Pieminister on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:02:28
remember that there are 3 gb's Ivan is in trouble with. this, the dark pbt second wave, and the RS keyboard which someone came in the said thread claiming he is the maker/producer of the board series and never got anything from Ivan as well. the total amount of money involved is huge.
That is ridiculous. The amount of money that would go missing is quite staggering. It is such a shame that people will just shrug their shoulders and say "meh, paypal chargeback period is over". I live in the EU so I don't think I have any options other than to moan about it.
I am so so happy I 'only' lost $20 on some spacebars, but I don't think I will join a GB unless through MD or just buy it off the classifieds. If one of the mods didn't deliver, how are small time GB runners any more trustworthy?
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:04:14
I didn't say your actions were malicious. I think you wanted to help. I still think that they were rash and negligent, because I have some trouble believing that Ivan outright lied to you when he took so much care not to lie to us in this thread. In any case it would have been much better for everyone at that point if Ivan had been forced to answer that question himself, and, probably not willingly, you took away a lot of that pressure by your statement in the thread that the order had gone out.
"Rash and negligent" to convey information he received from Ivan? Please step back and reconsider your stance, because this is the kind of thing that prevents folks from trying to help in the future.
Ultimately, Hoff was communicating with an individual he had met in person and helped on multiple occasions; neither he nor anyone else here had reason to doubt his word until some of this new information came to night. Pointing fingers does nothing to help the situation except to give you a scapegoat on whom to lay your anger. Please attempt to either offer constructive solutions or at the very least just stop posting, as you're coming off as a bit of a douchebag and I'm sure that's not your intention.
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:40:42
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:48:38
hoff for global mod ;) he's usually the only one I see interacting with the community.
There a few others that do it, but I agree that Hoff is here more frequently.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 09:31:52
hoff for global mod ;) he's usually the only one I see interacting with the community.
There a few others that do it, but I agree that Hoff is here more frequently.
I see #baz too, but Hoffman definitely has more free time on his hands. :))
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 10:56:31
hoff for global mod ;) he's usually the only one I see interacting with the community.
There a few others that do it, but I agree that Hoff is here more frequently.
I see #baz too, but Hoffman definitely has more free time on his hands. :))
I think there's some confusion here. :)) Global Moderator (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69449.0) is what all site-wide (not subforum-specific, like an artisan) moderators are. Hash, jwaz, and myself are Senior/Lead Moderators, so we already have the powahh of Global Mods plus more. ;)
And yes,..."free time"... :P
Also just to add, the Global Mods are quite active, even if only behind the scenes, and my sanity thanks them immensely. :thumb:
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 March 2016, 10:58:06
hoff for global mod ;) he's usually the only one I see interacting with the community.
There a few others that do it, but I agree that Hoff is here more frequently.
I see #baz too, but Hoffman definitely has more free time on his hands. :))
I think there's some confusion here. :)) Global Moderator (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69449.0) is what all site-wide (not subforum-specific, like an artisan) moderators are. Hash, jwaz, and myself are Senior/Lead Moderators, so we already have the powahh of Global Mods plus more. ;)
And yes,..."free time"... :P
Also just to add, the Global Mods are quite active, even if only behind the scenes, and my sanity thanks them immensely. :thumb:
Super-Hoff is a Global Plus Mod then?
Post by: tigersharkdude on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:06:20
Global mod pls
Thx bby
Post by: FLFisherman on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:07:57
hoff for global mod ;) he's usually the only one I see interacting with the community.
There a few others that do it, but I agree that Hoff is here more frequently.
I see #baz too, but Hoffman definitely has more free time on his hands. :))
I think there's some confusion here. :)) Global Moderator (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69449.0) is what all site-wide (not subforum-specific, like an artisan) moderators are. Hash, jwaz, and myself are Senior/Lead Moderators, so we already have the powahh of Global Mods plus more. ;)
And yes,..."free time"... :P
Also just to add, the Global Mods are quite active, even if only behind the scenes, and my sanity thanks them immensely. :thumb:
Ah, so there is "behind the scenes" funny business going about!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:19:48
hoff for global mod ;) he's usually the only one I see interacting with the community.
There a few others that do it, but I agree that Hoff is here more frequently.
I see #baz too, but Hoffman definitely has more free time on his hands. :))
I think there's some confusion here. :)) Global Moderator (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69449.0) is what all site-wide (not subforum-specific, like an artisan) moderators are. Hash, jwaz, and myself are Senior/Lead Moderators, so we already have the powahh of Global Mods plus more. ;)
And yes,..."free time"... :P
Also just to add, the Global Mods are quite active, even if only behind the scenes, and my sanity thanks them immensely. :thumb:
well, it definitely seems like administration needs to get a handle on their mods. someone should have been able to sniff this out within the mod group. This should never have happened - especially because ivan is a mod. That definitely played into quelling everyone's anxiety about his long silence. i also find it problematic that no one has been able to contact him...
Unless there is a reeeeeally good reason for the long silence, and an acceptable solution to the issue, i think it goes without saying that ivan should not be a mod anymore
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:26:57
well, it definitely seems like administration needs to get a handle on their mods. someone should have been able to sniff this out within the mod group.
This is a very naive comment to make. I can't imagine a scenario where your reasoning could actually be put into practice effectively. I'm always open to suggestions though. :thumb:
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:28:26
i also find it problematic that no one has been able to contact him...
Unless there is a reeeeeally good reason for the long silence, and an acceptable solution to the issue, i think it goes without saying that ivan should not be a mod anymore
Also (yes I'm double posting), please read the thread before posting. I *did* get in contact with him. There is not any good reason for the long silence. He is no longer a moderator.
Thank you.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:54:35
hoff for global mod ;) he's usually the only one I see interacting with the community.
There a few others that do it, but I agree that Hoff is here more frequently.
I see #baz too, but Hoffman definitely has more free time on his hands. :))
I think there's some confusion here. :)) Global Moderator (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69449.0) is what all site-wide (not subforum-specific, like an artisan) moderators are. Hash, jwaz, and myself are Senior/Lead Moderators, so we already have the powahh of Global Mods plus more. ;)
And yes,..."free time"... :P
Also just to add, the Global Mods are quite active, even if only behind the scenes, and my sanity thanks them immensely. :thumb:
Super-Hoff is a Global Plus Mod then?
We have had examples being set in the past. Go and read up on the history of Sherraton from Originative. He lost mod status and his subforum.
But he seems to have redeemed himself lately. Give Ivan a chance to make this right.
Same thing happened to Redline, yet the person who royally screwed the GH60 buy still has an artisan forum and there's no indication that that will change. Mods have remained silent on that issue when asked. There's not always consistency on those issues.
It definitely is a situation where some input is needed given the reliable history of Ivan. I have a hard time believing that he would disappear absent something outside of his control, especially everything he's done for the community as a whole and individuals in it in the past. Hopefully he didn't do a runner and hopefully there is an answer soon for what is going on. If he did do a runner, it would be a huge blow.
Things like this, the unfulfilled orders with some ancient CtrlAlt buys, and other GB issues really do reinforce the notion that you should only be able to run a single group buy at a time and that we need to figure out some sort of escrow situation for group buys.
Dude, this.
Post by: byker on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:56:40
As to the group buy system, we have been talking about possible changes to make to the current group buy system.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:06:42
Senior mods have more abilities than us global mods. They can permanently ban users, we can only mute, etc.
As to the group buy system, we have been talking about possible changes to make to the current group buy system.
I made This thread for Site Run Group Buy Feedback (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80560.new#new) as this seems to be heading in that direction and isn't really about the group buy at hand specifically anymore, if anyone wants to put some specific feedback there.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:59:40
Senior mods have more abilities than us global mods. They can permanently ban users, we can only mute, etc.
As to the group buy system, we have been talking about possible changes to make to the current group buy system.
They should be called super-mods...
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:02:12
Senior mods have more abilities than us global mods. They can permanently ban users, we can only mute, etc.
As to the group buy system, we have been talking about possible changes to make to the current group buy system.
They should be called super-mods...
Plus Size Mods
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:13:01
Post by: Michael on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:00:08
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Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:05:56
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Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:12:42
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:16:09
I still trust Ivan more than Massdrop
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
Pretty sure Hoff got up with him and it wasn't that.
Why would you not trust MD? Very least you can always get your money back no matter what.
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:25:27
I still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:27:37
I still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
I mean, from what we know he flat out lied about stuff. Period. Thats not something I'm cool with.
Post by: sambarugh on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:32:37
I still trust Ivan more than Massdrop
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
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Post by: appleonama on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:35:49
yep and for more than 9 months... what possible excuse can there be for that? it takes a maximum of 5 minutes to post an updateI still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
I mean, from what we know he flat out lied about stuff. Period. Thats not something I'm cool with.
edit: he did update but lied idk anymore I just wanted my caps :'(
Post by: cooldiscretion on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:46:31
Sorry that everyone involved has to experience this including myself.
Post by: whmeltonjr on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:18:02
I still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
I mean, from what we know he flat out lied about stuff. Period. Thats not something I'm cool with.
Come on man, how can you say that? I mean, sure Ivan hasn't talked to GMK in forever, and the RS maker says Ivan hasn't submitted an order, and Imsto himself says the caps were shipped a month ago, but there is no way Ivan would scam anyone. Massdrop on the other hand....
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:20:41
I still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
I mean, from what we know he flat out lied about stuff. Period. Thats not something I'm cool with.
Come on man, how can you say that? I mean, sure Ivan hasn't talked to GMK in forever, and the RS maker says Ivan hasn't submitted and order, and Imsto himself says the caps were shipped a month ago, but there is no way Ivan would scam anyone. Massdrop on the other hand....
What did massdrop do to you? A $300 package got lost in the mail and refunded me in 5 days. I just hate them for the constant delays but that is usually on the manufacture.
Post by: whmeltonjr on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:22:56
I still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
I mean, from what we know he flat out lied about stuff. Period. Thats not something I'm cool with.
Come on man, how can you say that? I mean, sure Ivan hasn't talked to GMK in forever, and the RS maker says Ivan hasn't submitted and order, and Imsto himself says the caps were shipped a month ago, but there is no way Ivan would scam anyone. Massdrop on the other hand....
What did massdrop do to you? A $300 package got lost in the mail and refunded me in 5 days. I just hate them for the constant delays but that is usually on the manufacture.
I tried to make that sound as sarcastic as possible, but next time I'll just put the '/S' to be safe. I've never had a problem with Massdrop at all. I just couldn't help but reply after reading "I still trust Ivan more than Massdrop".
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:23:25
I still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
I mean, from what we know he flat out lied about stuff. Period. Thats not something I'm cool with.
Come on man, how can you say that? I mean, sure Ivan hasn't talked to GMK in forever, and the RS maker says Ivan hasn't submitted an order, and Imsto himself says the caps were shipped a month ago, but there is no way Ivan would scam anyone. Massdrop on the other hand....
Are you being sarcastic?
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:23:52
I still trust Ivan more than Massdroplol what? How can you trust an individual more than an actual business. massdrop is actually liable for any issues that you may have with an order and you either get your money back or a replacement. You wont get that from an individual
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
I mean, from what we know he flat out lied about stuff. Period. Thats not something I'm cool with.
Come on man, how can you say that? I mean, sure Ivan hasn't talked to GMK in forever, and the RS maker says Ivan hasn't submitted and order, and Imsto himself says the caps were shipped a month ago, but there is no way Ivan would scam anyone. Massdrop on the other hand....
What did massdrop do to you? A $300 package got lost in the mail and refunded me in 5 days. I just hate them for the constant delays but that is usually on the manufacture.
I tried to make that sound as sarcastic as possible, but next time I'll just put the '/S' to be safe. I've never had a problem with Massdrop at all. I just couldn't help but reply after reading "I still trust Ivan more than Massdrop".
ohh my bad I mistook you for the KHAANNN guy. either way that sarcasm didn't work too well lol
Post by: effectiveduck on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:19:21
I still trust Ivan more than Massdrop
If a bus hit one of you, you wouldn't be able to get your keyset, similarly, a bus can hit anyone, a bus can hit the GB organiser, life is mortal, there is always the probability that a "serious" life event can disrupt a GB, and it seems to me that, in this case, that probably happened, so if there was a 1% chance none of us were getting anything, we are living that 1% scenario right now
But if a bus hits a massdrop employee, the community doesn't collectively lose nearly $100,000, the order will still be fulfilled. I really don't understand this dislike for massdrop, and I'm not there biggest fan either, they sent me the wrong replacement keycap 3 times, but your pretty much guaranteed to get what you paid for and in a relatively timely manner, small issues aside.
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 17 March 2016, 21:23:28
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 17 March 2016, 22:02:53
So can we still talk about how sweet Miami Nights would've been? That is what this thread is about.
And depress everyone here?
Post by: Baddy126 on Thu, 17 March 2016, 22:23:02
So can we still talk about how sweet Miami Nights would've been? That is what this thread is about.
Maybe someone can get it run through massdrop
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 17 March 2016, 22:42:16
I'm not Massdrop crazy by any stretch of the imagination but you comparing your dislike for them for whatever reason to tens of thousands of dollars of enthusiast money being stolen is just completely idiotic
The last thing we need is for you to use this thread where people have got a lot of money tied up to vent about something you don't like
Post by: whmeltonjr on Thu, 17 March 2016, 22:43:21
So can we still talk about how sweet Miami Nights would've been? That is what this thread is about.
Maybe someone can get it run through massdrop
Probably could, but I can't imagine many people wanting to pay for the set twice.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 17 March 2016, 22:48:36
So can we still talk about how sweet Miami Nights would've been? That is what this thread is about.
Maybe someone can get it run through massdrop
Probably could, but I can't imagine many people wanting to pay for the set twice.
Nor do I want to honour Ivan's creation in any way by running it through somewhere else
Post by: whmeltonjr on Thu, 17 March 2016, 22:52:58
So can we still talk about how sweet Miami Nights would've been? That is what this thread is about.
Maybe someone can get it run through massdrop
Probably could, but I can't imagine many people wanting to pay for the set twice.
Nor do I want to honour Ivan's creation in any way by running it through somewhere else
I can understand that as well.
I found out about geekhack in late June/early July, but didn't make an account till August. I almost made one earlier to join this group buy, but didn't really know enough about anybody here to join a GB. Looking back I'm obviously glad about that decision, but can't help but feel really bad for everyone involved, and for the community as a whole. I have been hesitant to join any community run group buy, and this has only increased my hesitance.
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:00:07
When this set drops, people will be all like, "OMGz I NEED." All praise to the leader of Miami Nights, some of us still keep the faith.
(http://media.globaltv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/02/Homer-The-Great.jpg)
Post by: Limewirelord on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:21:11
I see a real lack of hype and lack of trust of the leader. In the absence of Elrich, here's my first attempt at reviving the hype train:Trust can be broken, especially with a heavy lack of communication and possessing a large sum of cash from many people. It's kind of a big blow to user-run group buys and kind of forces the use of outside parties like Massdrop. It's pretty bad for pretty much everyone involved.
When this set drops, people will be all like, "OMGz I NEED." All praise to the leader of Miami Nights, some of us still keep the faith.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 18 March 2016, 17:56:57
I see a real lack of hype and lack of trust of the leader. In the absence of Elrich, here's my first attempt at reviving the hype train:
When this set drops, people will be all like, "OMGz I NEED." All praise to the leader of Miami Nights, some of us still keep the faith.Show Image(http://media.globaltv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/02/Homer-The-Great.jpg)
I guess you're the kind of guy that was sipping ice tea wondering what the commotion was when the titanic went down
Post by: demik on Fri, 18 March 2016, 18:43:03
Post by: appleonama on Fri, 18 March 2016, 18:46:27
:p lol how did he make it this far?I see a real lack of hype and lack of trust of the leader. In the absence of Elrich, here's my first attempt at reviving the hype train:
When this set drops, people will be all like, "OMGz I NEED." All praise to the leader of Miami Nights, some of us still keep the faith.Show Image(http://media.globaltv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/02/Homer-The-Great.jpg)
I guess you're the kind of guy that was sipping ice tea wondering what the commotion was when the titanic went down
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Fri, 18 March 2016, 20:36:56
so what's the tl;dr update?GMK Confirmed project abandoned and no payment received.
The maker of the RS84 posted in that group buy thread that he has also not received an order or payment either.
Ivan MIA with a LOT of our money.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 18 March 2016, 21:01:34
Hoff, sorry, but can you repost or link your reply from Ivan?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 March 2016, 21:04:14
Hoff, sorry, but can you repost or link your reply from Ivan?
I emailed him. The below has not changed since that time.
For transparency sake, cross-post from PBT GB thread:It be great to get some input from the Mods, maybe HoffmanMyster? Is there any positive confirmation that this buy is boned other than the lack of order for Miami Nights?
I reached out to Ivan last night when things started getting shaky (before the news was posted in the GMK buy thread), to A) verify he is alive and well and B) follow up with a direct inquiry as to the status of these three buys. I did receive an email back from him last night (I mistakenly said in the GMK buy that he had not responded, which is not true - I didn't see his response at the time) and he said all is fine but he is not active much (I had not asked about the buys at this point). I have responded asking very pointedly for an update re: lack of orders placed. No word yet, but I will update as I can.
Post by: turboloser on Fri, 18 March 2016, 22:08:44
Could explain why he got very upset at the chargebacks that were occurring, and before you say that was a rational response. Take in the current predicament and the lack of communication between those two points in time.
As I mentioned in my last post, I really just want to see where this goes. It would be interesting to see the first GB I ever joined end up in court(s).
Post by: Glenmael on Fri, 18 March 2016, 22:11:38
I see a real lack of hype and lack of trust of the leader. In the absence of Elrich, here's my first attempt at reviving the hype train:
When this set drops, people will be all like, "OMGz I NEED." All praise to the leader of Miami Nights, some of us still keep the faith.Show Image(http://media.globaltv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/02/Homer-The-Great.jpg)
I guess you're the kind of guy that was sipping ice tea wondering what the commotion was when the titanic went down
...I'm with the band :)
Post by: Willyc277 on Fri, 18 March 2016, 22:54:48
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
The money's gone and the caps aren't coming. At this point in December the order had not been placed, yet he claimed he was no longer in possession of the funds. :( Sorry guys.
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 18 March 2016, 23:18:53
yet he claimed he was no longer in possession of the fundsHe's lied before. What makes you think that particular statement is true? Nobody here has any idea what happened, nor will we unless Ivan ends up posting.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 18 March 2016, 23:31:04
Hoff, sorry, but can you repost or link your reply from Ivan?
I emailed him. The below has not changed since that time.For transparency sake, cross-post from PBT GB thread:It be great to get some input from the Mods, maybe HoffmanMyster? Is there any positive confirmation that this buy is boned other than the lack of order for Miami Nights?
I reached out to Ivan last night when things started getting shaky (before the news was posted in the GMK buy thread), to A) verify he is alive and well and B) follow up with a direct inquiry as to the status of these three buys. I did receive an email back from him last night (I mistakenly said in the GMK buy that he had not responded, which is not true - I didn't see his response at the time) and he said all is fine but he is not active much (I had not asked about the buys at this point). I have responded asking very pointedly for an update re: lack of orders placed. No word yet, but I will update as I can.
ah, yes. i did see this. i thought i missed his response to your 'pointed' questioning. still waiting for the full story, then.
thanks again
Post by: DanielT on Sat, 19 March 2016, 00:55:47
Post by: romevi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 01:05:40
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 March 2016, 01:08:24
Post by: appleonama on Sat, 19 March 2016, 01:16:33
Post by: madhias on Sat, 19 March 2016, 05:18:11
Also reading now Elricks poems is really funny :)
Post by: DanielT on Sat, 19 March 2016, 06:44:36
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 19 March 2016, 06:56:52
Ivan doesn't seem like he is coming back and I don't want to give him any more time to spend the money that WE have given him
Post by: FLFisherman on Sat, 19 March 2016, 07:32:49
What is the next step in getting this to small claims court?It's a little complicated. You're most likely in different states, so it will be problematic. I recommend looking up the process for it.
Ivan doesn't seem like he is coming back and I don't want to give him any more time to spend the money that WE have given him
It may be particularly difficult when it comes to showing up in court. :/
Post by: redskull on Sat, 19 March 2016, 08:42:35
Post by: cozimkorean on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:14:17
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:19:14
Why cant you guys get a paypal refund? Is it over 180 days already?
I think it is, so that option has expired already.
Post by: cozimkorean on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:26:38
Why cant you guys get a paypal refund? Is it over 180 days already?
I think it is, so that option has expired already.
Damn that sucks, If it was me personally involved in this regardless of how much the order was I would of filled a dispute on the last day, can't be too trusting online. Sorry for all those who lost, hopefully justice will be served.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:32:41
I have a full set + mods + spacebars quite a hit. Whatever, it's not like I can change anything, I've seen it with other GB's that went sour ...
Yeah this has not been a good personal year for me and GB's either. Definitely will be joining quite a few less without some changes.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:39:29
Why cant you guys get a paypal refund? Is it over 180 days already?
I think it is, so that option has expired already.
Damn that sucks, If it was me personally involved in this regardless of how much the order was I would of filled a dispute on the last day, can't be too trusting online. Sorry for all those who lost, hopefully justice will be served.
This guy made a name as a trusty gb leader and seller, most of the community know him and the lack of follow up on this buy took by surprise to most of the people involved, it was not hard to decline the right to ask for refunds or to set a claim, as nobody believe this may reach this point, now it is very late, I feel very sorry for the people that suffered a loss, either a few dollars, or over hundreds, it is a shame for the GB system.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:54:03
Post by: Willyc277 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 14:53:49
Would it do any good to let his local police department know about this? I know the money is probably gone, but I'd sure like to get Ivan/Nicholas in as much legal trouble as possible.
Feels like it might be time to set a precedent.
Post by: qwack on Sat, 19 March 2016, 14:57:59
If he does not give any answer in a reasonable timeframe, then okay maybe.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 15:02:48
I think it may be best to first let him collect himself and give some answers before taking drastic steps. In this kind of situation the more pressure you put on the guy who screwed up, the less likely he is to come back and make amends (see Hoff's example of the guy who did not even open the legal letter he was sent).
If he does not give any answer in a reasonable timeframe, then okay maybe.
I think "reasonable time frame" is long past already.
Post by: calvinhousecat on Sat, 19 March 2016, 15:05:04
Why cant you guys get a paypal refund? Is it over 180 days already?
I think it is, so that option has expired already.
Damn that sucks, If it was me personally involved in this regardless of how much the order was I would of filled a dispute on the last day, can't be too trusting online. Sorry for all those who lost, hopefully justice will be served.
This guy made a name as a trusty gb leader and seller, most of the community know him and the lack of follow up on this buy took by surprise to most of the people involved, it was not hard to decline the right to ask for refunds or to set a claim, as nobody believe this may reach this point, now it is very late, I feel very sorry for the people that suffered a loss, either a few dollars, or over hundreds, it is a shame for the GB system.
Also you would get attacked by fellow members of the forum if you ever contemplated on issuing a refund
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 15:05:29
Post by: TBone on Sat, 19 March 2016, 15:13:39
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 March 2016, 15:20:01
Why cant you guys get a paypal refund? Is it over 180 days already?
I think it is, so that option has expired already.
Damn that sucks, If it was me personally involved in this regardless of how much the order was I would of filled a dispute on the last day, can't be too trusting online. Sorry for all those who lost, hopefully justice will be served.
This guy made a name as a trusty gb leader and seller, most of the community know him and the lack of follow up on this buy took by surprise to most of the people involved, it was not hard to decline the right to ask for refunds or to set a claim, as nobody believe this may reach this point, now it is very late, I feel very sorry for the people that suffered a loss, either a few dollars, or over hundreds, it is a shame for the GB system.
Also you would get attacked by fellow members of the forum if you ever contemplated on issuing a refund
I do not think someone may attack others for exercise their rights, it was only that collectively people believe Ivan may eventually delivered the goods, it was a surprised for most of them, though. Now it is clear some action is required, but before it was not that clear.
Post by: qwack on Sat, 19 March 2016, 15:20:34
I think "reasonable time frame" is long past already.
When you take into account the whole masquerade that's been going on for months ("the money is tied up in product", etc.), sure, but he's been exposed and contacted about the matter by Hoff just a few days ago. Give him a few more days to man up and provide an explanation. If by the end of next week he's not said anything, then well...
Just for the record, I'm not advocating leniency. But quite often the more pressure you put on people who do things like that, the more likely they are to crawl further into their hole. So maybe chances for him to come back are slim, but you never know.
Post by: codywanks on Sat, 19 March 2016, 16:32:57
it was not hard to decline the right to ask for refunds or to set a claim, as nobody believe this may reach this point, now it is very late, I feel very sorry for the people that suffered a loss, either a few dollars, or over hundreds, it is a shame for the GB system.
Also you would get attacked by fellow members of the forum if you ever contemplated on issuing a refund
I love watching the white knights falling on their own swords. Is Elrick still missing? :p
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 16:46:54
I think "reasonable time frame" is long past already.
When you take into account the whole masquerade that's been going on for months ("the money is tied up in product", etc.), sure, but he's been exposed and contacted about the matter by Hoff just a few days ago. Give him a few more days to man up and provide an explanation. If by the end of next week he's not said anything, then well...
Just for the record, I'm not advocating leniency. But quite often the more pressure you put on people who do things like that, the more likely they are to crawl further into their hole. So maybe chances for him to come back are slim, but you never know.
There is not much at all he could say that would excuse stealing thousands of our dollars, lying about paying GMK, then going dark and not communicating for months.
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Sat, 19 March 2016, 16:49:06
I think "reasonable time frame" is long past already.
When you take into account the whole masquerade that's been going on for months ("the money is tied up in product", etc.), sure, but he's been exposed and contacted about the matter by Hoff just a few days ago. Give him a few more days to man up and provide an explanation. If by the end of next week he's not said anything, then well...
Just for the record, I'm not advocating leniency. But quite often the more pressure you put on people who do things like that, the more likely they are to crawl further into their hole. So maybe chances for him to come back are slim, but you never know.
Its been close to a week, how long does it take to say "Yeah I ****ed up"?
Post by: qwack on Sat, 19 March 2016, 16:55:36
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 19 March 2016, 17:16:51
Post by: cozimkorean on Sat, 19 March 2016, 18:36:36
Post by: skycrimes on Sat, 19 March 2016, 18:56:03
I get that there are people who have more history with Ivan than others and are reluctant to act in hopes that things change, but if two people hes working with out of his 3 GB's have come out and said they have not received anything then I think thats a clear indicator that something needs to be done.
Lets assume hes in some trouble financially (got hurt/lost home/etc) and used the funds to fix that. Well what will you do with that? Forgive him and trust that once hes back on his feet he will then proceed to save up most of his money to then pay for the orders? How long will that take?
Best luck to everyone involved. I do think actions need to be taken now and not later and even though it sucks that this is happening, at least it will (hopefully) help set a precedent for future buys.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 19:17:31
Lets assume hes in some trouble financially (got hurt/lost home/etc) and used the funds to fix that. Well what will you do with that? Forgive him and trust that once hes back on his feet he will then proceed to save up most of his money to then pay for the orders? How long will that take?
Honestly, if a trusted/proven GB leader had said "I done goofed. Got hit by a car used the money to pay bills" whatever the truthful reason was, I'd be pissed as hell, but I'd also be quick to forgive and while I'd never join another buy from that person for any reason, I'd understand in some way and let it go. I feel like a lot of people around here would be upset/forgiving in some capacity should that have been the case. That type of public honesty would be hard, but if something like that happened, communication would have been key. Going dark/lying just doesnt result in the same kind of reaction by people usually.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 19 March 2016, 19:25:10
I love watching the white knights falling on their own swords. Is Elrick still missing? :p
Yeah this place here known as GEEKHACK has changed.
It looks like it's down to everyone looking after their own interests and if you have handed over money to this guy and it's well before the 180 day time limit, go launch a claim NOW.
Remembered when certain people here had honesty and decency but it has vastly diminished into a "Krack Den", where it's all about stealing someone's money and running away as quickly as you can. I'm through with recommending anyone here on GH for Group Buys. If you want 100% delivered items go buy it off MassDrop, at least there if they try and stick it to MD you will get 100% refund without worry.
I think the last man standing here for any Group Buy activity is BunnyLake and I've bought dozens of different key-sets from him over the years and his CTRL/ALT Group without any disasters or mistakes. He is the ONLY one left here on this forum I would trust with my money and my orders.
Unfortunately IvanIvanovich has slipped into the "Kin25" category and he doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy anymore. If he's having problems then front us here and let us know, otherwise we are left to draw our own conclusions and it really isn't nice.
Post by: qwack on Sat, 19 March 2016, 20:31:43
That type of public honesty would be hard, but if something like that happened, communication would have been key. Going dark/lying just doesnt result in the same kind of reaction by people usually.
Agreed. Now the question is how to get him to communicate again instead of lying low, waiting for the storm to pass.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 20:36:57
That type of public honesty would be hard, but if something like that happened, communication would have been key. Going dark/lying just doesnt result in the same kind of reaction by people usually.
Agreed. Now the question is how to get him to communicate again instead of lying low, waiting for the storm to pass.
I don't know why anyone would believe anything he has to say, once a liar always a liar. The best thing would be calling his local PD and letting them know of the theft.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 19 March 2016, 20:46:55
But he has completely avoided Geekhack except for instances in which he is trying to protect the funds he has deceitfully taken from people
I don't think we should have ANY doubts about contacting the police about this.
Ivan has exploited us and its about time that he sees the conseqences for his behaviour
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:04:52
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:15:57
IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READ
More than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.
Please send the following:
- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]
to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.
If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:10:31
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:22:49
The effort in collecting evidence is cleaver, but you are located in Australia, I think someone ConUS based, and even better, someone in the same state Ivan lives should take over the due diligence to try to get some authority involve.
I've contacted US people that I trust to help me with the effort
At this point the data collection element can really be conducted from anywhere
Post by: Karura on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:50:09
Post by: blighty on Sun, 20 March 2016, 00:58:28
The effort in collecting evidence is cleaver, but you are located in Australia, I think someone ConUS based, and even better, someone in the same state Ivan lives should take over the due diligence to try to get some authority involve.
I've contacted US people that I trust to help me with the effort
At this point the data collection element can really be conducted from anywhere
Lysol never promised a definitive delivery date for any of the buys, right? GLWLawsuit. He is still within his rights to deliver promised goods at some eventual date, be it now or "next year," especially with all of the buys beyond the 180 day paypal window, where he no longer has any legal reason to put money toward any of the buys, besides the "eventual" delivery of products. If he really did a runner after all this time and years of running GBs, it was definitely well played.
I hope I am wrong on my viewpoint.
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 20 March 2016, 01:24:41
I'm sorry to say but the GB system as it is know with "give money to a stranger and hope to get ****" was a disaster waiting to hapen. It works on a small scale where not a lot a money are involved.... but when you have big buys ....
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 20 March 2016, 01:41:44
Even if you just PM me your invoice amount and what you were in for it will be helpful
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 20 March 2016, 02:50:32
Post by: rm-rf on Sun, 20 March 2016, 03:08:18
FFS Ivandon't worry ApocalypseMaow, i'm not upset at you :)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 20 March 2016, 03:55:07
#gawdblessFFS Ivandon't worry ApocalypseMaow, i'm not upset at you :)
give me a week or so and I'll get you some money :-*
Post by: zhihuichan on Sun, 20 March 2016, 04:05:05
Post by: BunnyLake on Sun, 20 March 2016, 04:31:53
IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READMore than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.Please send the following:- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
whilst i think it is a good effort to try and collect some official evidence at this point
just to play devils advocate i wanna throw a few points out there
whilst the gbs have been going on for a while, it is only recently that this info of non payment of orders has come to light, and i dont think a reasonable amount of time has passed to give ivan a chance to come and explain his actions based on this new evidence
whilst ivan has had a good reputation in the past, i think its also worth noting many of his buys in the past have taken extremely long time before shipping, and in these instances i think it would also be fair to assume on previous occasions that production did not take as long as delays, he tends to ship promptly on receipt of the goods so i would think there have been previous cases of delayed payments to manufacturers
given for instance that imsto both produced, and shipped ivan the keys without contact or payment, i would again assume similar things like this have happened before, leading imsto to feel comfortable to both manufacture and ship the goods prior to receiving money, something that certainly isnt the standard for an individually run gb
im not suggesting whats going on isnt ****ed, or even will be fixed, but i think there is enough bits and pieces that aside from the lack of communication from ivan, things may be no different than normal right now for him
things look very bad, and im sure they are very bad, but i think before anything is done with the evidence collected, there needs to be a greater push for solid communication from ivan
he is a long standing member who has met several users in real life, whilst the gbs are old, the scandal is new, and the clock needs to be reset to give him a chance to reply, we are already outside of the paypal window, so a month or so before anything is done with the evidence to give what was a trusted user a chance to defend themselves and be made aware of the issues i think is reasonable
i will add i havent followed this much, so if he has been contacted or we have more updates im unaware of them when writing this post, but i think we at least need to know he is aware of the **** storm, and has consciously chosen to ignore or reply to it before we do something that could have an impact on his life in the future
he has done some things like recently shipped the other old pbt buy, which seem out of character for someone who had already decided to run off with the money from 3 gbs, it woulda cost a ton to ship and it had already been delayed long enough nobody would have thought anything of waiting another couple of months on that one
to reiterate the gathering of evidence is good, but please show good judgement on when and how it is used at least until more time has passed or we receive further info
Post by: zhihuichan on Sun, 20 March 2016, 04:47:26
IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READMore than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.Please send the following:- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
whilst i think it is a good effort to try and collect some official evidence at this point
just to play devils advocate i wanna throw a few points out there
whilst the gbs have been going on for a while, it is only recently that this info of non payment of orders has come to light, and i dont think a reasonable amount of time has passed to give ivan a chance to come and explain his actions based on this new evidence
whilst ivan has had a good reputation in the past, i think its also worth noting many of his buys in the past have taken extremely long time before shipping, and in these instances i think it would also be fair to assume on previous occasions that production did not take as long as delays, he tends to ship promptly on receipt of the goods so i would think there have been previous cases of delayed payments to manufacturers
given for instance that imsto both produced, and shipped ivan the keys without contact or payment, i would again assume similar things like this have happened before, leading imsto to feel comfortable to both manufacture and ship the goods prior to receiving money, something that certainly isnt the standard for an individually run gb
im not suggesting whats going on isnt ****ed, or even will be fixed, but i think there is enough bits and pieces that aside from the lack of communication from ivan, things may be no different than normal right now for him
things look very bad, and im sure they are very bad, but i think before anything is done with the evidence collected, there needs to be a greater push for solid communication from ivan
he is a long standing member who has met several users in real life, whilst the gbs are old, the scandal is new, and the clock needs to be reset to give him a chance to reply, we are already outside of the paypal window, so a month or so before anything is done with the evidence to give what was a trusted user a chance to defend themselves and be made aware of the issues i think is reasonable
i will add i havent followed this much, so if he has been contacted or we have more updates im unaware of them when writing this post, but i think we at least need to know he is aware of the **** storm, and has consciously chosen to ignore or reply to it before we do something that could have an impact on his life in the future
he has done some things like recently shipped the other old pbt buy, which seem out of character for someone who had already decided to run off with the money from 3 gbs, it woulda cost a ton to ship and it had already been delayed long enough nobody would have thought anything of waiting another couple of months on that one
to reiterate the gathering of evidence is good, but please show good judgement on when and how it is used at least until more time has passed or we receive further info
No chance any more
Post by: madhias on Sun, 20 March 2016, 05:32:33
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 20 March 2016, 05:40:16
I am still going to wait for an answer from Ivan, and hope that there is communication going on already (*looks-at-hoffmann*). Well, I still want this set, if all the money is transfered to another person or company, I would be in again. If nothing happens in the next weeks, I would take part in whatever will be done to tell the world Ivan is a jerk. Or best get my Dollars back!
Would be nice to get your money back but this is basically like a kidnapping, the more time that passes the less chance of ever seeing your money again.
Word to the wise here, now is the time to hold onto your wallets here because this place known as Geekhack isn't like it was two or three years ago, meaning that swiping vast sums from people is more likely to occur now than ever before and I don't know why.
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 20 March 2016, 06:00:51
I am still going to wait for an answer from Ivan, and hope that there is communication going on already (*looks-at-hoffmann*). Well, I still want this set, if all the money is transfered to another person or company, I would be in again. If nothing happens in the next weeks, I would take part in whatever will be done to tell the world Ivan is a jerk. Or best get my Dollars back!+1
I loved this set from the first moment I saw the renders. We'll see how it goes. I don't have much hope for this but who can tell ... This was the last set I was planning to get and had big plans for it :( At this moment I have pretty much all I wanted to have and Miami Nights was part of my grand plan
From now on I will think twice before handing my funds to anyone here. This is why I refrained from taking part in the new GMK GB's, I still don't trust new GB organisers, sorry nothing personal guys but getting stung tought me a lesson...
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 20 March 2016, 06:32:38
Ivan definitely has a strong reputation and history within the community and what's come to light in the past week has raised questions and more than a few people's tempers.
At this point I just want to reiterate that the point of this is not to go straight to the authorities but to best prepare the participants of the group buy for whatever may come from the situation
It's been pointed out to me that Ivan has had some very long running GBs in the past and this is not out of the norm. Something I think we should still keep in mind going forward regardless of what happens
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 20 March 2016, 06:51:39
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 20 March 2016, 07:13:04
I think this is a good plan. It would be good to have some sort of file with all the orders that have been placed so we know if the MOQ was reached and how much money we are talking about. For my part I will search all the info and send it to you. If we have a clear picture of the GB we could help or at least know where we are standing.
Yep so I have got a spreadsheet going in which I'm tracking what each person was in for
In a couple of days I will post something about the initial data that's been collected
The response so far has been really great and I appreciate everyone putting in their time and faith to this effort
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 20 March 2016, 08:57:17
i will add i havent followed this much, so if he has been contacted or we have more updates im unaware of them when writing this post, but i think we at least need to know he is aware of the **** storm, and has consciously chosen to ignore or reply to it before we do something that could have an impact on his life in the futureHoff contacted him saying nothing about the GB and he responded fairly quickly. He was then pressed about the GB and hasn't responded since.
Also, it's the fact that there are 3 GBs run by him where he has not even paid the manufacturer after many months.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 20 March 2016, 09:08:10
lol, I forgot I was in on the blk on blk pbt buy too...i will add i havent followed this much, so if he has been contacted or we have more updates im unaware of them when writing this post, but i think we at least need to know he is aware of the **** storm, and has consciously chosen to ignore or reply to it before we do something that could have an impact on his life in the futureHoff contacted him saying nothing about the GB and he responded fairly quickly. He was then pressed about the GB and hasn't responded since.
Also, it's the fact that there are 3 GBs run by him where he has not even paid the manufacturer after many months.
woe is me
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 20 March 2016, 09:47:57
i will add i havent followed this much, so if he has been contacted or we have more updates im unaware of them when writing this post, but i think we at least need to know he is aware of the **** storm, and has consciously chosen to ignore or reply to it before we do something that could have an impact on his life in the futureHoff contacted him saying nothing about the GB and he responded fairly quickly. He was then pressed about the GB and hasn't responded since.
Also, it's the fact that there are 3 GBs run by him where he has not even paid the manufacturer after many months.
I mean, if you run a GB and dont place the order and lie to everyone and steal their money, you should fully be aware there is a **** storm regardless of if you've checked the threads or not.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 20 March 2016, 10:02:53
The only thing is that IMSTO posted about Ivan undergoing a surgery, but even in that case, unless an emergency, he would had the chance to advice people of a longer waiting period than usual.
My two cents.
Post by: cozimkorean on Sun, 20 March 2016, 10:05:47
Post by: FLFisherman on Sun, 20 March 2016, 10:31:39
It is pretty obvious what is going on here at this point in timeIt's very unfortunate that it's gone down this way.
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 20 March 2016, 11:55:42
Post by: malcomkern on Sun, 20 March 2016, 13:33:31
Post by: calvinhousecat on Sun, 20 March 2016, 14:27:58
IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READMore than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.Please send the following:- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
Sent info, its not much as all I bought was the Spacebar kit but hopefully it can lead to any progress of people getting at least 50% of their money back
Post by: Limewirelord on Sun, 20 March 2016, 19:45:05
Post by: demik on Sun, 20 March 2016, 22:16:31
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The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
i'd stop saying this. chances are youre not getting your money back. and if some money is recovered, who gets first dibs? use what you're doing as a way to find out just how much money is gone and not to give false hope to people about getting their money back. the most any of this will get is getting ivan in trouble with authorities. and even that seems like a huge stretch.
you should also contact imsto and whomever is doing the RS buy to see just how much money they were charging ivan for both buys. the only people that are guaranteed to get anything is possible the black on black gb people since imsto says that ivan got the caps a month ago. the money tho? yeah not gonna happen.
either way, good luck. i was so close to getting into the BoB GB too.
meaning that swiping vast sums from people is more likely to occur now than ever before and I don't know why.
because it's easy. people think they have to own everything and blindly (or not so blindly seeing as this was a trusted member) dump their money into every single GB to not miss anything. im not blaming them, because some of the stuff here is cool and i'd hate to miss out myself. but all people are doing is showing ******* how easily they can be parted from their money. and people will take advantage of it. and there is no way to really stop it other than banning GBs from GH altogether (which lets be honest, isn't going to happen.)
it's a similar problem to the whole fake artisan caps **** show
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 21 March 2016, 00:14:00
because it's easy. people think they have to own everything and blindly (or not so blindly seeing as this was a trusted member) dump their money into every single GB to not miss anything. im not blaming them, because some of the stuff here is cool and i'd hate to miss out myself. but all people are doing is showing ******* how easily they can be parted from their money.
In one way it's good that Ivan did the swipe of my money because it's now the end of spending any more here on Geekhack. Think it's the last key-set I'll ever NOT own and that's fine with me.
Freedom for me now is to spend my moolah on other interests, which have nothing to do with key-caps and keyboards anymore. Besides I've got enough now to last me for the rest of my life and the Grand Kiddies will be harassing me for years ahead, to give them part of my collection (which won't happen till I kick the bucket).
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 21 March 2016, 03:14:18
Post by: JonasDK on Mon, 21 March 2016, 06:32:45
QuoteThe more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.the most any of this will get is getting ivan in trouble with authorities. and even that seems like a huge stretch.
If frauding people for tens of thousands shouldn't get you in trouble with the authorities then I don't know what should....
Post by: demsix on Mon, 21 March 2016, 06:43:42
Group buys rely on having a solid reputation, his reputation is being massively damaged here. This could all be cleared up if he just responds. I hope he's ok, but he better have a good excuse for ****ing up this bad.
Post by: sth on Mon, 21 March 2016, 06:49:27
IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READMore than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.Please send the following:- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
woof
some people have problems
and some people lose their discretionary money on the internet
Post by: qwack on Mon, 21 March 2016, 07:08:30
If frauding people for tens of thousands shouldn't get you in trouble with the authorities then I don't know what should....
The problem is more, who would we have to refer to in order to settle the case? Regarding a previous suggestion, not sure Ivan's local PD has any power regarding this kind of affair based on trust and mutual consent with no written agreement. Heck, you'd better check that Ivan did not add the "I am not a business, I do that on my free time, any problem on this GB in on you" disclaimer to his messages.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 21 March 2016, 10:02:52
IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READMore than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.Please send the following:- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
whilst i think it is a good effort to try and collect some official evidence at this point
just to play devils advocate i wanna throw a few points out there
whilst the gbs have been going on for a while, it is only recently that this info of non payment of orders has come to light, and i dont think a reasonable amount of time has passed to give ivan a chance to come and explain his actions based on this new evidence
whilst ivan has had a good reputation in the past, i think its also worth noting many of his buys in the past have taken extremely long time before shipping, and in these instances i think it would also be fair to assume on previous occasions that production did not take as long as delays, he tends to ship promptly on receipt of the goods so i would think there have been previous cases of delayed payments to manufacturers
given for instance that imsto both produced, and shipped ivan the keys without contact or payment, i would again assume similar things like this have happened before, leading imsto to feel comfortable to both manufacture and ship the goods prior to receiving money, something that certainly isnt the standard for an individually run gb
im not suggesting whats going on isnt ****ed, or even will be fixed, but i think there is enough bits and pieces that aside from the lack of communication from ivan, things may be no different than normal right now for him
things look very bad, and im sure they are very bad, but i think before anything is done with the evidence collected, there needs to be a greater push for solid communication from ivan
he is a long standing member who has met several users in real life, whilst the gbs are old, the scandal is new, and the clock needs to be reset to give him a chance to reply, we are already outside of the paypal window, so a month or so before anything is done with the evidence to give what was a trusted user a chance to defend themselves and be made aware of the issues i think is reasonable
i will add i havent followed this much, so if he has been contacted or we have more updates im unaware of them when writing this post, but i think we at least need to know he is aware of the **** storm, and has consciously chosen to ignore or reply to it before we do something that could have an impact on his life in the future
he has done some things like recently shipped the other old pbt buy, which seem out of character for someone who had already decided to run off with the money from 3 gbs, it woulda cost a ton to ship and it had already been delayed long enough nobody would have thought anything of waiting another couple of months on that one
to reiterate the gathering of evidence is good, but please show good judgement on when and how it is used at least until more time has passed or we receive further info
most logical analysis I've read so far
everyone else is too quick to bad mouth someone who has been around years, contributing countless sets during this time
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I'm personally unfollowing this thread too, too much hate and insults going around
Post by: cozimkorean on Mon, 21 March 2016, 10:13:36
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most logical analysis I've read so far
everyone else is too quick to bad mouth someone who has been around years, contributing countless sets during this time
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I'm personally unfollowing this thread too, too much hate and insults going around
I think people have the right to be upset. Looking at all the evidence/time/lies that have been brought to our attention it's quite reasonable to the draw the conclusion that Ivan has took off with the money. I'm not in favour for hating on people but I do advocate justice, and frankly the little/no communication for months on end when a update just to say 'I here this is whats going on' takes minutes would help defend himself from the justified allegations. The spot Ivan has put himself in is ultimately his own fault and the assumptions of him committing fraud at this time is fairly obvious.
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:14:36
I think people have the right to be upset. Looking at all the evidence/time/lies that have been brought to our attention it's quite reasonable to the draw the conclusion that Ivan has took off with the money. I'm not in favour for hating on people but I do advocate justice, and frankly the little/no communication for months on end when a update just to say 'I here this is whats going on' takes minutes would help defend himself from the justified allegations. The spot Ivan has put himself in is ultimately his own fault and the assumptions of him committing fraud at this time is fairly obvious.
They're upset because they didn't understand what they were getting into. It's an group buy run through an Internet forum. Shouldn't need to spell out that any money you put into these should be considered risky. Anyone who used money that they couldn't have gambled with at the casino should have known better.
I'd at least give the guy time to respond, he's not known to be super communicative. Like it's been stated, no one's getting their money back unless Ivan gives it to them anyways so there's not exactly some rush to convict.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:23:14
Post by: inanis on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:37:13
Boy there are a lot people on this forum who are apperently ok with getting ripped off. We know the money is gone and it's not coming back. This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.He got money from me in the BoB buy. I am not okay with getting ripped off, but I don't think any of this going after him business will do any good. It will only get peoples hopes up that there will be some kind of retribution. There won't be. The money is gone, there is almost nothing that can be done to cause trouble for him. The fact is, you have to be willing to lose the money when you join these buys. This is the only one I didn't make a scene about when it went south. I just never expected it from him, but I still only went in for what I was willing to lose.
It just is what it is. It sucks, but I don't think there is any justice that will be found here of any kind.
Post by: cozimkorean on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:38:44
I think people have the right to be upset. Looking at all the evidence/time/lies that have been brought to our attention it's quite reasonable to the draw the conclusion that Ivan has took off with the money. I'm not in favour for hating on people but I do advocate justice, and frankly the little/no communication for months on end when a update just to say 'I here this is whats going on' takes minutes would help defend himself from the justified allegations. The spot Ivan has put himself in is ultimately his own fault and the assumptions of him committing fraud at this time is fairly obvious.
They're upset because they didn't understand what they were getting into. It's an group buy run through an Internet forum. Shouldn't need to spell out that any money you put into these should be considered risky. Anyone who used money that they couldn't have gambled with at the casino should have known better.
I'd at least give the guy time to respond, he's not known to be super communicative. Like it's been stated, no one's getting their money back unless Ivan gives it to them anyways so there's not exactly some rush to convict.
So your basically saying that participating in a GB is as financially the same as gambling in a casino and that if you lose your money it's your own fault? Well there you go folks your better off on the slot machines than participating on GBs on GH.
Post by: inanis on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:42:33
So your basically saying that participating in a GB is as financially the same as gambling in a casino and that if you lose your money it's your own fault? Well there you go folks.
Do you view it differently? You are sending money to someone you (most likely) don't know, sometimes not even in the same country as you, in hopes that they will pull through and send you what you expected. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. If you are expecting 100% of these things to go smooth you are very naive. That being said, some people seem trustworthy based on history. But as we have seen many times, history doesn't always guarantee future success.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:43:45
Boy there are a lot people on this forum who are apperently ok with getting ripped off. We know the money is gone and it's not coming back. This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.He got money from me in the BoB buy. I am not okay with getting ripped off, but I don't think any of this going after him business will do any good. It will only get peoples hopes up that there will be some kind of retribution. There won't be. The money is gone, there is almost nothing that can be done to cause trouble for him. The fact is, you have to be willing to lose the money when you join these buys. This is the only one I didn't make a scene about when it went south. I just never expected it from him, but I still only went in for what I was willing to lose.
It just is what it is. It sucks, but I don't think there is any justice that will be found here of any kind.
Why do you think the Des Moines, IA theft division wouldn't investigate him?
Post by: inanis on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:45:23
I honestly don't think they will care. But I'm pretty cynical.Boy there are a lot people on this forum who are apperently ok with getting ripped off. We know the money is gone and it's not coming back. This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.He got money from me in the BoB buy. I am not okay with getting ripped off, but I don't think any of this going after him business will do any good. It will only get peoples hopes up that there will be some kind of retribution. There won't be. The money is gone, there is almost nothing that can be done to cause trouble for him. The fact is, you have to be willing to lose the money when you join these buys. This is the only one I didn't make a scene about when it went south. I just never expected it from him, but I still only went in for what I was willing to lose.
It just is what it is. It sucks, but I don't think there is any justice that will be found here of any kind.
Why do you think the Des Moines, IA theft division wouldn't investigate him?
Post by: cozimkorean on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:46:23
So your basically saying that participating in a GB is as financially the same as gambling in a casino and that if you lose your money it's your own fault? Well there you go folks.
Do you view it differently? You are sending money to someone you (most likely) don't know, sometimes not even in the same country as you, in hopes that they will pull through and send you what you expected. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. If you are expecting 100% of these things to go smooth you are very naive. That being said, some people seem trustworthy based on history. But as we have seen many times, history doesn't always guarantee future success.
Just to clarify I'm not part of this group and it was me I would of gotten my refund from paypal with the 180 days, after that I would agree with you that it is somewhat the buyers fault to trust the seller after that point on, however I believe that comparing to a casino is ridiculous. This is fraud, not gambling.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:47:21
I honestly don't think they will care. But I'm pretty cynical.Boy there are a lot people on this forum who are apperently ok with getting ripped off. We know the money is gone and it's not coming back. This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.He got money from me in the BoB buy. I am not okay with getting ripped off, but I don't think any of this going after him business will do any good. It will only get peoples hopes up that there will be some kind of retribution. There won't be. The money is gone, there is almost nothing that can be done to cause trouble for him. The fact is, you have to be willing to lose the money when you join these buys. This is the only one I didn't make a scene about when it went south. I just never expected it from him, but I still only went in for what I was willing to lose.
It just is what it is. It sucks, but I don't think there is any justice that will be found here of any kind.
Why do you think the Des Moines, IA theft division wouldn't investigate him?
Well I guess we're gonna find out. You really should stop trying to dissuade people from seeking justice on this.
Post by: inanis on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:51:17
I don't think I am, I'm expressing my opinion, which I did all of one time, and happens to be different from yours. If people want to join in going after him, I think that is perfectly fine. It's just not for me. I think it is perfectly fine to express a different view point.I honestly don't think they will care. But I'm pretty cynical.Boy there are a lot people on this forum who are apperently ok with getting ripped off. We know the money is gone and it's not coming back. This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.He got money from me in the BoB buy. I am not okay with getting ripped off, but I don't think any of this going after him business will do any good. It will only get peoples hopes up that there will be some kind of retribution. There won't be. The money is gone, there is almost nothing that can be done to cause trouble for him. The fact is, you have to be willing to lose the money when you join these buys. This is the only one I didn't make a scene about when it went south. I just never expected it from him, but I still only went in for what I was willing to lose.
It just is what it is. It sucks, but I don't think there is any justice that will be found here of any kind.
Why do you think the Des Moines, IA theft division wouldn't investigate him?
Well I guess we're gonna find out. You really should stop trying to dissuade people from seeking justice on this.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 21 March 2016, 12:36:41
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 21 March 2016, 12:41:27
Everybody in here needs to take a step back and think critically about where they are directing their negativity and rage. It's perfectly reasonable to be pissed off, because after all, it's looking more and more like there's no positive outcome from this. And yes, doing "something" feels better than doing nothing. But to get mad at someone for sharing a logical and reasonable outcome of said "something"? Come on. We're better than that. If you want to yell at someone, yell at Ivan - that's it. I'm sick of people on this forum calling others out and essentially shaming them for sharing a different opinion. It doesn't help anything.
Preach hoof.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 21 March 2016, 12:45:27
Everybody in here needs to take a step back and think critically about where they are directing their negativity and rage. It's perfectly reasonable to be pissed off, because after all, it's looking more and more like there's no positive outcome from this. And yes, doing "something" feels better than doing nothing. But to get mad at someone for sharing a logical and reasonable outcome of said "something"? Come on. We're better than that. If you want to yell at someone, yell at Ivan - that's it. I'm sick of people on this forum calling others out and essentially shaming them for sharing a different opinion. It doesn't help anything.
Your opinion is different from mine and I hate you.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 21 March 2016, 12:58:29
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Post by: demik on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:04:39
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:10:54
This thread should be locked unless Ivan comes back. This isn't the spot to ****-fling unless it's at Ivan. If you have any ideas for something please post it to the thread over at site feedback.+1. If there is any update or relevant information someone has, they can share it with the mods, that can update us all on. Same goes for the other two GB threads.
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Post by: demik on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:28:47
This thread should be locked unless Ivan comes back. This isn't the spot to ****-fling unless it's at Ivan. If you have any ideas for something please post it to the thread over at site feedback.+1. If there is any update or relevant information someone has, they can share it with the mods, that can update us all on. Same goes for the other two GB threads.
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Or.. you know... not? There isn't any "**** flinging" going on. Closing this will only look shady.
And no mods this isn't a "personal attack" against moz. I don't need another BS warning like the one I got the last I replied to him.
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:29:41
This thread should be locked unless Ivan comes back. This isn't the spot to ****-fling unless it's at Ivan. If you have any ideas for something please post it to the thread over at site feedback.+1. If there is any update or relevant information someone has, they can share it with the mods, that can update us all on. Same goes for the other two GB threads.
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Or.. you know... not? There isn't any "**** flinging" going on. Closing this will only look shady.
And no mods this isn't a "personal attack" against moz. I don't need another BS warning like the one I got the last I replied to him.
+1
Post by: byker on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:39:33
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:40:29
Fake account. Chill.I wouldn't be so sure. The avatar is a match, so I think it's the real deal.
username has ivan in it so pretty legit
literally
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:21:55
This thread should be locked unless Ivan comes back. This isn't the spot to ****-fling unless it's at Ivan. If you have any ideas for something please post it to the thread over at site feedback.+1. If there is any update or relevant information someone has, they can share it with the mods, that can update us all on. Same goes for the other two GB threads.
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Or.. you know... not? There isn't any "**** flinging" going on. Closing this will only look shady.
And no mods this isn't a "personal attack" against moz. I don't need another BS warning like the one I got the last I replied to him.
"there isn't any **** flinging"
lol.
How would closing it look shady? What's the point of keeping the GB open? I'm sure the mods can update the OP just like they did for sprit's posts. What's the point of people *****ing over and over and over while a handful of other pretend they are not getting robbed.
At the end of the day this GB is not moving forward since we have confirmation from GMK that this never even got submitted.
Why do you want to keep this open?
Post by: inanis on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:26:26
"there isn't any **** flinging"
lol.
How would closing it look shady? What's the point of keeping the GB open? I'm sure the mods can update the OP just like they did for sprit's posts. What's the point of people *****ing over and over and over while a handful of other pretend they are not getting robbed.
At the end of the day this GB is not moving forward since we have confirmation from GMK that this never even got submitted.
Why do you want to keep this open?
Just to be 100% clear, I am not acting like I didn't get robbed. I am acting cynical that threatening action is going to result in anything positive for the people who have lost money. And I'm still not really sure why that personal view point is that bad.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:33:22
"there isn't any **** flinging"
lol.
How would closing it look shady? What's the point of keeping the GB open? I'm sure the mods can update the OP just like they did for sprit's posts. What's the point of people *****ing over and over and over while a handful of other pretend they are not getting robbed.
At the end of the day this GB is not moving forward since we have confirmation from GMK that this never even got submitted.
Why do you want to keep this open?
Just to be 100% clear, I am not acting like I didn't get robbed. I am acting cynical that threatening action is going to result in anything positive for the people who have lost money. And I'm still not really sure why that personal view point is that bad.
I was mainly aiming at demik. Though I agree in the grand scheme of crime this is something too small for police to really create a case for. I'm not sure what outcome people really want anyways. I think some people think this will be like an episode of Cops. Police busting in and all.
Personally I'd like to see people get their money back and maybe we can have restrictions placed in for future GBs.
Post by: demik on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:38:50
This thread should be locked unless Ivan comes back. This isn't the spot to ****-fling unless it's at Ivan. If you have any ideas for something please post it to the thread over at site feedback.+1. If there is any update or relevant information someone has, they can share it with the mods, that can update us all on. Same goes for the other two GB threads.
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Or.. you know... not? There isn't any "**** flinging" going on. Closing this will only look shady.
And no mods this isn't a "personal attack" against moz. I don't need another BS warning like the one I got the last I replied to him.
"there isn't any **** flinging"
lol.
How would closing it look shady? What's the point of keeping the GB open? I'm sure the mods can update the OP just like they did for sprit's posts. What's the point of people *****ing over and over and over while a handful of other pretend they are not getting robbed.
At the end of the day this GB is not moving forward since we have confirmation from GMK that this never even got submitted.
Why do you want to keep this open?
Why not? People are letting out their annoyance from the whole situation. They're giving their opinion and others are commenting on it. How is that **** flinging? Locking this isn't going to change anything so what's the point? Mor censorship?
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:42:32
"there isn't any **** flinging"
lol.
How would closing it look shady? What's the point of keeping the GB open? I'm sure the mods can update the OP just like they did for sprit's posts. What's the point of people *****ing over and over and over while a handful of other pretend they are not getting robbed.
At the end of the day this GB is not moving forward since we have confirmation from GMK that this never even got submitted.
Why do you want to keep this open?
Just to be 100% clear, I am not acting like I didn't get robbed. I am acting cynical that threatening action is going to result in anything positive for the people who have lost money. And I'm still not really sure why that personal view point is that bad.
I was mainly aiming at demik. Though I agree in the grand scheme of crime this is something too small for police to really create a case for. I'm not sure what outcome people really want anyways. I think some people think this will be like an episode of Cops. Police busting in and all.
Personally I'd like to see people get their money back and maybe we can have restrictions placed in for future GBs.
I really don't think stealing tens of thousands from people online is such a small crime that his local police wouldn't be interested. Just so we're clear, what he did is a felony. I don't think anyone thinks he'll actually be arrested or face jail time. I would personally consider it a win just to have him investigated.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:50:30
This thread should be locked unless Ivan comes back. This isn't the spot to ****-fling unless it's at Ivan. If you have any ideas for something please post it to the thread over at site feedback.+1. If there is any update or relevant information someone has, they can share it with the mods, that can update us all on. Same goes for the other two GB threads.
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Or.. you know... not? There isn't any "**** flinging" going on. Closing this will only look shady.
And no mods this isn't a "personal attack" against moz. I don't need another BS warning like the one I got the last I replied to him.
"there isn't any **** flinging"
lol.
How would closing it look shady? What's the point of keeping the GB open? I'm sure the mods can update the OP just like they did for sprit's posts. What's the point of people *****ing over and over and over while a handful of other pretend they are not getting robbed.
At the end of the day this GB is not moving forward since we have confirmation from GMK that this never even got submitted.
Why do you want to keep this open?
Why not? People are letting out their annoyance from the whole situation. They're giving their opinion and others are commenting on it. How is that **** flinging? Locking this isn't going to change anything so what's the point? Mor censorship?
This thread wasn't about crying. It was about a GMK GB.
Again I'm not saying people can't be pissed or vent their frustration. Just at this point it's off topic and the attention should be directed at finding a solution not solely on whining.
More censorship? What censorship?
Post by: Halvar on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:00:50
So please everyone submit your information, even if you don't believe in a successful outcome. Let's at least get the numbers straight on this, even if it's only for us.
I think since this is happening in one of the few countries with a working legal system, pressing charges with the PD is the least we can do. Not doing it would send a bad signal to future tempted scammers. I don't expect to get any money back and probably no one should, as everyone knows there is a certain risk with GBs like this, but I see no reason not to do what we can to make this as "uncomfortable" as possible for Nicolas.
Post by: Pieminister on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:10:29
This is one of the most controversial things to happen in recent GH history. Of course there are going to be differing opinions.
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:18:13
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Post by: Willyc277 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:25:27
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Dude some members just lost several hundred bucks. Ivan ain't coming back. If he planned on ordering the kits or making amends he would have responded to Hoff by now.
Going to go start a group buy real quick, collect funds, then never deliver. People like you will make it waaay too easy.
Post by: demik on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:25:55
Alright bro. Whatever you say.This thread should be locked unless Ivan comes back. This isn't the spot to ****-fling unless it's at Ivan. If you have any ideas for something please post it to the thread over at site feedback.+1. If there is any update or relevant information someone has, they can share it with the mods, that can update us all on. Same goes for the other two GB threads.
Not trying to start a riot, but can we stop bumping this dead GB? If Ivan comes back he should be able to unlock it.
Or.. you know... not? There isn't any "**** flinging" going on. Closing this will only look shady.
And no mods this isn't a "personal attack" against moz. I don't need another BS warning like the one I got the last I replied to him.
"there isn't any **** flinging"
lol.
How would closing it look shady? What's the point of keeping the GB open? I'm sure the mods can update the OP just like they did for sprit's posts. What's the point of people *****ing over and over and over while a handful of other pretend they are not getting robbed.
At the end of the day this GB is not moving forward since we have confirmation from GMK that this never even got submitted.
Why do you want to keep this open?
Why not? People are letting out their annoyance from the whole situation. They're giving their opinion and others are commenting on it. How is that **** flinging? Locking this isn't going to change anything so what's the point? Mor censorship?
This thread wasn't about crying. It was about a GMK GB.
Again I'm not saying people can't be pissed or vent their frustration. Just at this point it's off topic and the attention should be directed at finding a solution not solely on whining.
More censorship? What censorship?
Post by: inanis on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:30:25
I don't think he is saying Ivan is going to pull through and deliver, he is saying he didn't start out these buys with an intention to scam. I think that is a reasonable assumption. I would hope at this point no one is under the impression they still might get their order.I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Dude some members just lost several hundred bucks. Ivan ain't coming back. If he planned on ordering the kits or making amends he would have responded to Hoff by now.
Going to go start a group buy real quick, collect funds, then never deliver. People like you will make it waaay too easy.
He is also pointing out that people are looking for revenge, not necessarily justice. Which in some cases, I think is true. Or at least people believe that revenge is a form of justice. Maybe it is, I dunno. But revenge isn't what I'm interested in, not in this case anyway.
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:33:38
Dude some members just lost several hundred bucks. Ivan ain't coming back. If he planned on ordering the kits or making amends he would have responded to Hoff by now.Yes. He doesn't communicate. That's bad. But reading the stuff in this and the other three threads would definitely not make me want to come back and explain some possibly very personal stuff.
And I lost way more money to actual scumbags - car mechanics, insurance companies, several governments. If my money in the buy helped Ivan to cover some medical expenses, all the better.
EDIT:
Quote from: inanis
I don't think he is saying Ivan is going to pull through and deliver, he is saying he didn't start out these buys with an intention to scam. I think that is a reasonable assumption. I would hope at this point no one is under the impression they still might get their order.Exactly. Thanks.
He is also pointing out that people are looking for revenge, not necessarily justice. Which in some cases, I think is true. Or at least people believe that revenge is a form of justice. Maybe it is, I dunno. But revenge isn't what I'm interested in, not in this case anyway.
Post by: Lepidus on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:35:21
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Right, so nobody should do anything? You cant get your money back anyway, so just let him go away without any consequences? Its because of this behavior so many people come to this forum lately just to scam.
Post by: qwack on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:36:04
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.
In any case that's what he has been doing after being asked details on his last buys by Hoff a week ago. If there really is a good reason behind all this he'd better come back and tell people what's happening instead of keeping everyone is the dark, which is pretty much the worst thing he can do right now.
Yes. He doesn't communicate. That's bad. But reading the stuff in this and the other three threads would definitely not make me want to come back and explain some possibly very personal stuff.
We've heard that before. "There are people with pitchforks on the internet, and I'm too afraid to post a message." Please. No one is asking him to explain very personal stuff, people just want to know what happened to the money he collected and the products he promised to deliver. And staying in the dark won't exactly calm down people.
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:38:52
...so many people come to this forum lately just to scam.Hmm... like who?
Post by: appleonama on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:41:25
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.lol...... if the guy needed money he could've taken out a loan.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:49:37
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.lol...... if the guy needed money he could've taken out a loan.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Except... you have to pay back a loan + interest...
Post by: romevi on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:55:36
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.lol...... if the guy needed money he could've taken out a loan.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Except... you have to pay back a loan + interest...
I dunno; risk everyone's money and suffer extreme, life-altering consequences, or take out a loan with interest that seems a lot more reasonable in comparison?
Post by: appleonama on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:59:25
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.lol...... if the guy needed money he could've taken out a loan.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Except... you have to pay back a loan + interest...
ok? so its better to screw people than take a loan? lol :blank:
Post by: Halvar on Mon, 21 March 2016, 16:25:55
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
While I agree with you on the speculation that Ivan didn't plan this as a scam from the beginning, this part that I quoted is bull****. Going to the police when something is stolen from you is considered "revenge" in your book?
The fact of the matter is that Ivan will get away with most of the money he's apparently stolen. When I say let's go to the police to at least make this as uncomfortable for him as possible, that means let's see that he doesn't get away without any consequences at all, because sueing him for the money in a civil court is not going to happen. We all know that nothing much will happen to him in the end anyway.
Post by: sambarugh on Mon, 21 March 2016, 16:51:45
Yes. He doesn't communicate. That's bad. But reading the stuff in this and the other three threads would definitely not make me want to come back and explain some possibly very personal stuff.
And I lost way more money to actual scumbags - car mechanics, insurance companies, several governments. If my money in the buy helped Ivan to cover some medical expenses, all the better.
Wow the levels of nativity here are staggering. At this point Ivan is aware of the situation that is blowing up and still he choose not to respond. His silence is deafening.
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 21 March 2016, 17:15:21
Wow the levels of nativity here are staggering. At this point Ivan is aware of the situation that is blowing up and still he choose not to respond. His silence is deafening.I've seen my share of people like that (meaning choosing to do nothing under pressure). I do think that upping the pressure isn't going to accomplish anything. (EDIT: remove flame.)
Quote from: Halvar
Going to the police when something is stolen from you is considered "revenge" in your book?
Quote from: ShardZer0
This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.
Post by: Pieminister on Mon, 21 March 2016, 17:55:29
That isn't to say that this excuses his actions, but it helps contextualise them, and personally it helps me keep a positive mental attitude. Even if it's just pure speculation, I prefer to believe he needed the money because his house burned down or something rather than because he spent it on drugs or something.
Understandibg peoples actions can also help us with managing risks in the future.
In any case, he owes us an explanation, but everyone deserves his day in court. Still, he shouldn't feel like he just 'got away with it' and so far his actions have shown a lack of insight and respect towards us and if he never shows up then I would not feel guilty if he were to experience the consequences of legal actions
Post by: romevi on Mon, 21 March 2016, 18:05:05
His track record doesn't paint him as a scammer, but these three outstanding buys are absolutely awful and don't bode well for future community-based runs.
I'm not giving him excuses; what he did was wrong. I guess that, since I've only the space bars invested, I'm in no rush and, quite honestly, would still carry on with the GB were Ivan to come out and explain himself, all the while planning to carry out the GBs.
But that's me and me alone.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 18:06:40
Wow the levels of nativity here are staggering. At this point Ivan is aware of the situation that is blowing up and still he choose not to respond. His silence is deafening.I've seen my share of people like that (meaning choosing to do nothing under pressure). I do think that upping the pressure isn't going to accomplish anything. (EDIT: remove flame.)Quote from: HalvarGoing to the police when something is stolen from you is considered "revenge" in your book?Quote from: ShardZer0This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.
Ivan is that you?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 21 March 2016, 18:25:19
Wow the levels of nativity here are staggering. At this point Ivan is aware of the situation that is blowing up and still he choose not to respond. His silence is deafening.I've seen my share of people like that (meaning choosing to do nothing under pressure). I do think that upping the pressure isn't going to accomplish anything. (EDIT: remove flame.)Quote from: HalvarGoing to the police when something is stolen from you is considered "revenge" in your book?Quote from: ShardZer0This is about causing as much trouble for Nicholas as possible under the law, IMO.
Ivan is that you?
/me checks IP addresses
Not a chance!
Post by: balthaz4r on Mon, 21 March 2016, 19:24:01
FOLLOW THE MONEY
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zo8ValFyKH8/hqdefault.jpg)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 21 March 2016, 19:26:44
Tinfoil hat theory: Ivan got into a BMX accident and needed expensive surgery. He got desperate and Massdrop got to him. Massdrop offered him a buyout and a job in exchange for going AWOL. Massdrop will come to the rescue, taking over these GBs, and deliver the products that they already know people want, all for a reasonable fee.
FOLLOW THE MONEYShow Image(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zo8ValFyKH8/hqdefault.jpg)
dumbest thing i've heard today. :thumb:
Post by: calvinhousecat on Mon, 21 March 2016, 19:37:16
I too am of the mindset that something emergent happened and he needed a great deal of money fast; probably something to do with his injury. If so, and this is just speculation, he thought he could "borrow" the money and pay for the GBs out of his pocket at a later date. Unfortunately, time's up and the GBs are long past overdue.
His track record doesn't paint him as a scammer, but these three outstanding buys are absolutely awful and don't bode well for future community-based runs.
I'm not giving him excuses; what he did was wrong. I guess that, since I've only the space bars invested, I'm in no rush and, quite honestly, would still carry on with the GB were Ivan to come out and explain himself, all the while planning to carry out the GBs.
But that's me and me alone.
Could be very plausible, like medical bills in America are super expensive. What if Ivan doesn't have health insurance?
Post by: Lepidus on Mon, 21 March 2016, 19:41:15
Tinfoil hat theory: Ivan got into a BMX accident and needed expensive surgery. He got desperate and Massdrop got to him. Massdrop offered him a buyout and a job in exchange for going AWOL. Massdrop will come to the rescue, taking over these GBs, and deliver the products that they already know people want, all for a reasonable fee.
FOLLOW THE MONEYShow Image(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zo8ValFyKH8/hqdefault.jpg)
Nice one. I also have mine:
Ivan was a nice happy guy with lots of keyboards, until one day he suffered a very serious bike accident. Later, at the hospital, the Doctor brought the bad news: His arm was broken in 30 different places and Ivan would never type properly again.
On the following days while in recovery, a hateful feeling grew inside Ivan. He was bitter. All those years, all those groupbuys, his mod status, all those nice keycaps... he would need to use an one handed Maltron keyboard that types like **** for the rest of his life.
No. If he cant type, nobody can.
Decided to get revenge, Ivan now intends to steal every keycap in the world.
Will we let him?
Post by: demik on Mon, 21 March 2016, 19:42:27
Now you can lock the thread. Mystery solved.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 21 March 2016, 19:48:19
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 21 March 2016, 19:49:55
Obama opened relationships with Cuba to stash Ivan in there for protection.
Now you can lock the thread. Mystery solved.
omg you triggered my censorship
:'( :'( :'(
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 21 March 2016, 20:31:43
Post by: LunarisDream on Mon, 21 March 2016, 20:34:57
"It was just a prank bro"
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 20:37:52
Post by: demik on Mon, 21 March 2016, 20:49:36
YawnObama opened relationships with Cuba to stash Ivan in there for protection.
Now you can lock the thread. Mystery solved.
omg you triggered my censorship
:'( :'( :'(
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 21 March 2016, 21:03:47
YawnObama opened relationships with Cuba to stash Ivan in there for protection.
Now you can lock the thread. Mystery solved.
omg you triggered my censorship
:'( :'( :'(
That was the same reaction I had when you mentioned censorship.
RT though pm me examples. I'm still lost.
Post by: demik on Mon, 21 March 2016, 21:10:17
YawnObama opened relationships with Cuba to stash Ivan in there for protection.
Now you can lock the thread. Mystery solved.
omg you triggered my censorship
:'( :'( :'(
That was the same reaction I had when you mentioned censorship.
RT though pm me examples. I'm still lost.
k
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 21 March 2016, 21:57:35
Everyone has an opinion about how group buys should be run, what should happen to the thread and so forth. I would however like to remind people on a view point that we all have in common - that Ivan should come forward and let everyone know what's happening
In hindsight I really should have worded things a little differently in my efforts to get everyone together and this reflects in what some people are saying. I'm even having people ask if I'm going to get their money back for them and stuff. I'd like to reiterate that I'm not anyone's lawyer and cannot guarantee anything.
I would like to say that my efforts are really concerned about getting information together and people unified in case something happens
I honestly cannot say what I think of the situation anymore - I am honestly split on whether this is just a big delay or if the caps are never coming and this is the last we see from Ivan.
Tensions are really high at the moment and understandably so - on one side there are a lot of people who have money riding on this and other group buys and on the other side we have people who are hesitant to blacklist or take action against Ivan, who for better or worse, is a fixture of the community.
At this point I have received responses from about 50 people - about half of those people I have contact info, paypal invoices and receipts from.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 21 March 2016, 22:09:04
Alright the whole debate at the moment seems to be moving in a very unhelpful direction.
Everyone has an opinion about how group buys should be run, what should happen to the thread and so forth. I would however like to remind people on a view point that we all have in common - that Ivan should come forward and let everyone know what's happening
In hindsight I really should have worded things a little differently in my efforts to get everyone together and this reflects in what some people are saying. I'm even having people ask if I'm going to get their money back for them and stuff. I'd like to reiterate that I'm not anyone's lawyer and cannot guarantee anything.
I would like to say that my efforts are really concerned about getting information together and people unified in case something happens
I honestly cannot say what I think of the situation anymore - I am honestly split on whether this is just a big delay or if the caps are never coming and this is the last we see from Ivan.
Tensions are really high at the moment and understandably so - on one side there are a lot of people who have money riding on this and other group buys and on the other side we have people who are hesitant to blacklist or take action against Ivan, who for better or worse, is a fixture of the community.
At this point I have received responses from about 50 people - about half of those people I have contact info, paypal invoices and receipts from.
For your own peace of mind, I suggest you to open a different thread to follow up the recollection of evidence, you do not have ownership of this one and by now it is populated with few comments that add value to your efforts to put something or someone together. In a new one, you can set the purpose, rules and more importantly the scope of your efforts to everyone to understand it properly.
Post by: zhihuichan on Mon, 21 March 2016, 23:00:03
Franksnewliver posted the email a week ago! Seven days ago!
Do we got any explain now? Uh?
When swimmingbrid try to do something for us also for himself, what your response?
WHY do you still believe in Ivan? How can you still believe in Ivan ?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 21 March 2016, 23:29:45
Alright the whole debate at the moment seems to be moving in a very unhelpful direction.
Everyone has an opinion about how group buys should be run, what should happen to the thread and so forth. I would however like to remind people on a view point that we all have in common - that Ivan should come forward and let everyone know what's happening
In hindsight I really should have worded things a little differently in my efforts to get everyone together and this reflects in what some people are saying. I'm even having people ask if I'm going to get their money back for them and stuff. I'd like to reiterate that I'm not anyone's lawyer and cannot guarantee anything.
I would like to say that my efforts are really concerned about getting information together and people unified in case something happens
I honestly cannot say what I think of the situation anymore - I am honestly split on whether this is just a big delay or if the caps are never coming and this is the last we see from Ivan.
Tensions are really high at the moment and understandably so - on one side there are a lot of people who have money riding on this and other group buys and on the other side we have people who are hesitant to blacklist or take action against Ivan, who for better or worse, is a fixture of the community.
At this point I have received responses from about 50 people - about half of those people I have contact info, paypal invoices and receipts from.
For your own peace of mind, I suggest you to open a different thread to follow up the recollection of evidence, you do not have ownership of this one and by now it is populated with few comments that add value to your efforts to put something or someone together. In a new one, you can set the purpose, rules and more importantly the scope of your efforts to everyone to understand it properly.
i agree. a link here would be helpful also
Post by: sth on Tue, 22 March 2016, 01:23:39
There is literally no excuse he could come up with that excuses stealing tens of thousands of dollars. No one cares if he "fell on hard times".
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-clsjyiGUdOQ/TmSolTxgS6I/AAAAAAAAKv4/0MViqlXHAVg/s1600/Screen+shot+2011-09-05+at+6.46.11+AM.png)
Post by: wodan on Tue, 22 March 2016, 12:30:12
I all the US people here should easily be able to report him to the police for fraud.
Has anyone done that ?
With all the community based GBs going on, it would be very interesting to see how this scenario is treated by the authorities.
Post by: Baddy126 on Tue, 22 March 2016, 19:24:22
I for one do not believe Ivan is a scammer as such. My impression is that he's run into some real life trouble (for which he may have used the GB funds, but maybe not - the only thing that is confirmed is that he did not place an order). If I were in his shoes and wanted to steal the money right from the start, I would go to ground as soon as I had the money.lol...... if the guy needed money he could've taken out a loan.
Anyway, I am very disappointed (well not really surprised) that it's all pitchforks and lynching here now. And not about justice but about revenge ("lets make as much trouble as we can ..."). That's what we need now, right? RIGHT? Well grow up.
Except... you have to pay back a loan + interest...
I dunno; risk everyone's money and suffer extreme, life-altering consequences, or take out a loan with interest that seems a lot more reasonable in comparison?
What life-altering consequences will Ivan be charged with? I know nothing about the legal actions that can be taken against Ivan, (if there are any at all) but from reading the thread... It seems like people are thinking he's gonna get away with no consequences at all
Post by: wodan on Wed, 23 March 2016, 02:25:16
And ... he took all your money without paying taxes ;) Maybe that's the worst part about it ... if he claims that money belongs to him, he better paid some taxes. Come on at least inform the IRS.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:02:09
It's a textbook example for fraud. And it happened on the internet, every step is documented here. I mean IPs are recorded, payments were made electronically ...
And ... he took all your money without paying taxes ;) Maybe that's the worst part about it ... if he claims that money belongs to him, he better paid some taxes. Come on at least inform the IRS.
The local law enforcement may not care. The local judge may not care. The IRS ****ing cares about every single penny and just loves going after people :))
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:35:42
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:53:56
I'd rather not inform IRS ... if they start looking at GB's ... :'(
Well normally (in *theory*), individuals don't make any (or at least not a whole lot of) money from group buys, they just act as the middle man and pay the actual supplier of caps. This is different because until he places an order, this is considered "income" as far as the IRS is concerned (stolen income, but that's a different thing). I am not an accountant, but this is my understanding - please correct me.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:56:48
I'd rather not inform IRS ... if they start looking at GB's ... :'(
Well normally (in *theory*), individuals don't make any (or at least not a whole lot of) money from group buys, they just act as the middle man and pay the actual supplier of caps. This is different because until he places an order, this is considered "income" as far as the IRS is concerned (stolen income, but that's a different thing). I am not an accountant, but this is my understanding - please correct me.
Very few, if any, accountants may be willing to pay hundreds for a keyboard, :))
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:58:35
I'd rather not inform IRS ... if they start looking at GB's ... :'(
Well normally (in *theory*), individuals don't make any (or at least not a whole lot of) money from group buys, they just act as the middle man and pay the actual supplier of caps. This is different because until he places an order, this is considered "income" as far as the IRS is concerned (stolen income, but that's a different thing). I am not an accountant, but this is my understanding - please correct me.
Very few, if any, accountants may be willing to pay hundreds for a keyboard, :))
Waateva is a tax accountant. :P If nothing else I'll just ask my sister, she's an accountant. :)
Post by: TBone on Wed, 23 March 2016, 11:19:29
Post by: MaNiFeX on Wed, 23 March 2016, 11:44:17
I see a real lack of hype and lack of trust of the leader. In the absence of Elrich, here's my first attempt at reviving the hype train:
When this set drops, people will be all like, "OMGz I NEED." All praise to the leader of Miami Nights, some of us still keep the faith.Show Image(http://media.globaltv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/02/Homer-The-Great.jpg)
I guess you're the kind of guy that was sipping ice tea wondering what the commotion was when the titanic went down
...I'm with the band :)
Beat me to it. :)) But we're still dead. :(
Post by: beehatch on Wed, 23 March 2016, 12:47:24
From my understanding, all Ivan has to do is put it on his tax forms as income. If he claims it and pays taxes, he won't get in any trouble. He should claim his gb fees too, but that's up to him. From my understanding, if a drug dealer records his income on his tax form and pays taxes, the IRS couldn't care less. So going there won't really do anything. GMK pays taxes and individual GB leaders should as well on any income - besides that, GB's seem pretty legitimate (Source: my tax understanding and speculation).
That cannot be right at all...
Post by: demik on Wed, 23 March 2016, 12:54:55
From my understanding, all Ivan has to do is put it on his tax forms as income. If he claims it and pays taxes, he won't get in any trouble. He should claim his gb fees too, but that's up to him. From my understanding, if a drug dealer records his income on his tax form and pays taxes, the IRS couldn't care less. So going there won't really do anything. GMK pays taxes and individual GB leaders should as well on any income - besides that, GB's seem pretty legitimate (Source: my tax understanding and speculation).If any of this were true, money laundry wouldn't be a crime.
But it is. Drug dealers filing taxes lol
Post by: TBone on Wed, 23 March 2016, 13:02:24
From my understanding, all Ivan has to do is put it on his tax forms as income. If he claims it and pays taxes, he won't get in any trouble. He should claim his gb fees too, but that's up to him. From my understanding, if a drug dealer records his income on his tax form and pays taxes, the IRS couldn't care less. So going there won't really do anything. GMK pays taxes and individual GB leaders should as well on any income - besides that, GB's seem pretty legitimate (Source: my tax understanding and speculation).If any of this were true, money laundry wouldn't be a crime.
But it is. Drug dealers filing taxes lol
From my understanding, all Ivan has to do is put it on his tax forms as income. If he claims it and pays taxes, he won't get in any trouble. He should claim his gb fees too, but that's up to him. From my understanding, if a drug dealer records his income on his tax form and pays taxes, the IRS couldn't care less. So going there won't really do anything. GMK pays taxes and individual GB leaders should as well on any income - besides that, GB's seem pretty legitimate (Source: my tax understanding and speculation).
That cannot be right at all...
These crimes are still crimes, but the IRS are not the ones that handle it. They might turn it over to another agency, and do quite often, who then prosecute the individual. But I was just responding to if the IRS cared about this.
EDIT: This will clear things, up, it's still messed up, but the IRS don't care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_of_illegal_income_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_of_illegal_income_in_the_United_States)
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 23 March 2016, 13:04:18
I'd rather not inform IRS ... if they start looking at GB's ... :'(
Well normally (in *theory*), individuals don't make any (or at least not a whole lot of) money from group buys, they just act as the middle man and pay the actual supplier of caps. This is different because until he places an order, this is considered "income" as far as the IRS is concerned (stolen income, but that's a different thing). I am not an accountant, but this is my understanding - please correct me.
Pretty much any payments you receive are considered income, however, you can usually write those off against the expenses. So if Ivan received a total of $30,000 from the GB participants and paid GMK $29,500, he would've only showed a profit of $500 and therefore would've only had to report that amount on his taxes. Now, since I don't think a lot of people in the keyboard community consider this their job and have no profit motive, it would just be considered hobby income and you would just report what you received netted against your material cost and that also avoids having to pay self-employment tax on that income.
In this case, if he took the money but didn't pay the vendor, Ivan should be reporting all of that money on this tax return as income, albeit probably not self-employment income because he probably isn't in the "business" of ripping people off and taking their money. Either way, he would have a rather substantial amount to report (I don't know the total amount he received but I would imagine it is probably in the tens of thousands of dollars) because any money received illegally, be it from selling drugs or from stealing or from defrauding people, is required by IRS law to be reported which is how they often nab drug dealers and other people involved in criminal activity. The IRS usually does a reverse audit in these situations, where they say you reported maybe $20,000 of income on your tax return but you have a house that is paid for and multiple cars, so prove to us how you are able to pay for those things and if you can't prove it, they nail you with tax evasion.
From my understanding, all Ivan has to do is put it on his tax forms as income. If he claims it and pays taxes, he won't get in any trouble. He should claim his gb fees too, but that's up to him. From my understanding, if a drug dealer records his income on his tax form and pays taxes, the IRS couldn't care less. So going there won't really do anything. GMK pays taxes and individual GB leaders should as well on any income - besides that, GB's seem pretty legitimate (Source: my tax understanding and speculation).
This is true in a sense, but I think about 35 years ago the IRS nailed a big drug dealer for tax evasion and he ended up getting away with it because he went back and amended all of the years in question by treating his drug dealing business as a legitimate business. This means he wrote off trips to pick up the drugs, his costs for purchasing the drugs, and everything else associated with his illegal business then promptly paid the taxes owed. Well, the IRS had to let it slide because of how he went about doing it, but they quickly added something to the tax code called IRC 280E that says:
"No deduction or credit shall be allowed for any amount paid or incurred during the taxable year in carrying on any trade or business if such trade or business (or the activities which comprise such trade or business) consists of trafficking in controlled substances (within the meaning of schedule I and II of the Controlled Substances Act) which is prohibited by Federal law or the law of any State in which such trade or business is conducted."
This is pretty much in regards to controlled substances so not all illegal activity is covered, but it has became a huge hurdle for places that have legalized marijuana now because they can only deduct their material costs but nothing else, so these companies are having to get very creative with their taxes to avoid paying taxes out the ass.
For other types of illegal activity, such as fraud and theft, there have been rules in place for many years preventing deductions of costs related to that illegal activity, but if you claim the whole amount you stole or defrauded people for, the IRS won't care because they just enforce tax laws and their powers end there.
Post by: keshley on Wed, 23 March 2016, 13:07:58
From my understanding, all Ivan has to do is put it on his tax forms as income. If he claims it and pays taxes, he won't get in any trouble. He should claim his gb fees too, but that's up to him. From my understanding, if a drug dealer records his income on his tax form and pays taxes, the IRS couldn't care less. So going there won't really do anything. GMK pays taxes and individual GB leaders should as well on any income - besides that, GB's seem pretty legitimate (Source: my tax understanding and speculation).If any of this were true, money laundry wouldn't be a crime.
But it is. Drug dealers filing taxes lol
Has to do with division of responsibilities. Money laundering is done so Law Enforcement can't track the money. A side benefit is the IRS can't track it for taxation either. In turn, the IRS isn't going to turn over documentation of income without a court order, so a drug dealer could, in theory, report all his income to the IRS and pay taxes on it, and be free of worry in regards to evasion of taxes, but would be pretty stupid to do since a court order for financial data is pretty easy for Law Enforcement to get.
Al Capone is probably the best example of this: he laundered all his money, so they couldn't charge him with serious crime, at least from a fraud/probation/whatever standpoint. So they charged him with evasion of taxes instead.
So, it's a catch-22, as long as you can prove it.
Post by: demik on Wed, 23 March 2016, 13:20:54
Anyway, thanks! I learned something new today.
Post by: TBone on Wed, 23 March 2016, 13:28:32
God damn it why did I type laundry. LAUNDERING.
Anyway, thanks! I learned something new today.
Well if you do money laundry and don't file it on your taxes, that's a crime too! :))
Post by: HannahPeach on Wed, 23 March 2016, 14:43:54
I'd rather not inform IRS ... if they start looking at GB's ... :'(
exactly my thoughts, strange situation.
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 23 March 2016, 14:49:32
I'd rather not inform IRS ... if they start looking at GB's ... :'(
exactly my thoughts, strange situation.
Well, these things should be reported on people's tax returns anyways, at least if they live in the US. Most likely there would be very little tax consequence unless the organizers are pocketing substantial amounts of profit because even if the amounts are large, these things should be close to being a wash or maybe or even a loss. My guess is that no one except people with businesses ran online like Ctrl Alt, ZealPC, and others are reporting this income, which if not reported is considered tax fraud like just Ivan is committing if he doesn't claim the income, just on a much smaller scale.
Post by: appleonama on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:01:29
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:08:29
Pretty sure anyone without an LLC is not reporting taxes
An LLC is just a State entity that gives your personal assets protection though, there isn't necessarily a requirement to file just because you have an LLC. For the IRS, they don't care if you are operating a business as Bob's Keyboard Sales or Bob's Keyboard Sales, LLC as they would be taxed exactly the same; as a sole proprietorship right on your own personal tax return.
Post by: appleonama on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:20:54
Post by: romevi on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:30:19
But if you are not declared as a business most commonly LLC you have no "obligation" to file taxes, there is no paper trail unless you give it up. It's the same as selling through PayPal as an individual. Do you report what you sell through PayPal? I mean you should be lets be real no one does.
PayPal automatically reports any sales of over 200 transactions and $20k, regardless of what those payments received were. It's up to you how you categorize those payments on your return.
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:40:44
But if you are not declared as a business most commonly LLC you have no "obligation" to file taxes, there is no paper trail unless you give it up. It's the same as selling through PayPal as an individual. Do you report what you sell through PayPal? I mean you should be lets be real no one does.
LLCs have no filing requirement either though unless you have an LLC that you also incorporate into something like an S-Corp or C-Corp. Most people just create LLCs and then report that income on a Schedule C just like they would've reported it if they weren't an LLC, and people usually only do that when they get a 1099-Misc as that is then reported to the IRS.
For personal items, you are supposed to report the sale of those things but the IRS only really would care if you made money on it. So take for instance your PayPal example; if I bought a keyboard for $150 and then sold it via PayPal for $120, the IRS doesn't care about it because its a loss on personal-use property and I cannot take a loss. With the same example though, if I buy the keyboard for $150 and sell it for $200, technically I should be reporting that on my tax return but only as hobby income because I am not in the "business" of selling my personal items for profit. That said, if I am perusing thrift stores for low price items to resell and make money, the IRS would say I have a profit incentive and would want that income reported as self-employment income.
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 24 March 2016, 07:12:04
God damn it why did I type laundry. LAUNDERING.
Anyway, thanks! I learned something new today.
Haha, your avatar fits perfectly with this :)
Post by: shay_shay on Thu, 24 March 2016, 15:46:06
I still have faith this is going to happen. And if it doesn't, there is nothing I can do about it. So let's all relax and enjoy the ride.
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 24 March 2016, 15:48:22
Post by: ShardZer0 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 16:46:21
I still have faith this is going to happen. And if it doesn't, there is nothing I can do about it. So let's all relax and enjoy the ride.
All our money is gone and GMK hasn't been paid. What exactly are you expecting?
Post by: GreyAmbience on Thu, 24 March 2016, 17:21:41
How much did you each invest?
I still have faith this is going to happen. And if it doesn't, there is nothing I can do about it. So let's all relax and enjoy the ride.
All our money is gone and GMK hasn't been paid. What exactly are you expecting?
Post by: ShardZer0 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 17:27:36
How much did you each invest?
I still have faith this is going to happen. And if it doesn't, there is nothing I can do about it. So let's all relax and enjoy the ride.
All our money is gone and GMK hasn't been paid. What exactly are you expecting?
I had 2 main sets, a CMYK, and spacebars, totalling $316.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 24 March 2016, 17:56:42
How much did you each invest?
I still have faith this is going to happen. And if it doesn't, there is nothing I can do about it. So let's all relax and enjoy the ride.
All our money is gone and GMK hasn't been paid. What exactly are you expecting?
Just the space bars.
Post by: unipsykal on Thu, 24 March 2016, 20:14:12
How much did you each invest?
I still have faith this is going to happen. And if it doesn't, there is nothing I can do about it. So let's all relax and enjoy the ride.
All our money is gone and GMK hasn't been paid. What exactly are you expecting?
I paid for 2 of each: 2 base sets, 2 CMYK, 2 of each spacebars
total $392
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 March 2016, 20:15:31
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80764.0
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 24 March 2016, 22:41:47
They told me that they cannot do anything after 180 days but if enough people contact them they can begin a proper investigation and take action against the account holder
At this point I am advising everyone to contact Paypal and let them know what's up
Post by: Limewirelord on Thu, 24 March 2016, 22:45:23
I called Paypal today about the issue at hand
They told me that they cannot do anything after 180 days but if enough people contact them they can begin a proper investigation and take action against the account holder
At this point I am advising everyone to contact Paypal and let them know what's up
Is there a way for us to submit all of our information at once? It seems awfully unorganized and slow to have us call in one by one.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 24 March 2016, 22:46:59
I called Paypal today about the issue at hand
They told me that they cannot do anything after 180 days but if enough people contact them they can begin a proper investigation and take action against the account holder
At this point I am advising everyone to contact Paypal and let them know what's up
Is there a way for us to submit all of our information at once? It seems awfully unorganized and slow to have us call in one by one.
Unfortunately they need to have the email's coming from the same addresses used for the paypal transactions
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 March 2016, 22:48:02
I also bought into this GB pretty big. Wanted to hopefully begin a system for GB's here that hopefully ensures nobody gets screwed over like this again, feel free to offer your input
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80764.0
NOW it makes sense!!
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 24 March 2016, 23:38:17
If you don't get it for some reason the gist of it is reach out to paypal as soon as possible and file a claim with them
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 25 March 2016, 01:15:28
How much did you each invest?
I still have faith this is going to happen. And if it doesn't, there is nothing I can do about it. So let's all relax and enjoy the ride.
All our money is gone and GMK hasn't been paid. What exactly are you expecting?
I paid for 2 of each: 2 base sets, 2 CMYK, 2 of each spacebars
total $392
oh ****, I'm sorry to hear that.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 25 March 2016, 03:55:44
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
Post by: Willyc277 on Fri, 25 March 2016, 04:55:46
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
Damn dude get your finger off the trigger.
Never thought I'd say this, but I think I miss the old Elrick.
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 25 March 2016, 10:45:49
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 March 2016, 12:12:35
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
As bad as it sounds, is just the naked truth.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 25 March 2016, 12:33:29
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
As bad as it sounds, is just the naked truth.
I've kissed my money goodbye the day I joined the GB, keycaps or no. I'm now being more cautious with future buys.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 March 2016, 12:39:33
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
As bad as it sounds, is just the naked truth.
I've kissed my money goodbye the day I joined the GB, keycaps or no. I'm now being more cautious with future buys.
Right! If we do not learn the lesson; then, the money was totally wasted; but, in the other hand, if trusted people like Ivan did this scam, we should take preventive measures on time, as claiming the money back when it was still possible.
Post by: Waateva on Fri, 25 March 2016, 12:54:08
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
As bad as it sounds, is just the naked truth.
I've kissed my money goodbye the day I joined the GB, keycaps or no. I'm now being more cautious with future buys.
Right! If we do not learn the lesson; then, the money was totally wasted; but, in the other hand, if trusted people like Ivan did this scam, we should take preventive measures on time, as claiming the money back when it was still possible.
People tried to but were ridiculed to no end if I remember correctly.
Post by: Wannabe on Fri, 25 March 2016, 13:22:41
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
As bad as it sounds, is just the naked truth.
I've kissed my money goodbye the day I joined the GB, keycaps or no. I'm now being more cautious with future buys.
Right! If we do not learn the lesson; then, the money was totally wasted; but, in the other hand, if trusted people like Ivan did this scam, we should take preventive measures on time, as claiming the money back when it was still possible.
People tried to but were ridiculed to no end if I remember correctly.
Ivan begged people to stop issuing Paypal disputes back when the window was still open. I'm not in this GB, but I am a participant in his RedScarf GB and I didn't issue a Paypal dispute back when I still could because of this exact message.
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 March 2016, 13:47:19
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
It's 100% true, PAYPAL can not do anything legally outside the 180 time limit. Hence why would they because it means money out of their own pockets pursuing this deadbeat which will fail in every court within the US of A, so whatever you were told doesn't hold any truth here when it comes to going after him.
Just chalk it down as a typical Geekhack Fraudster that got away with it and move on. Remember there is no safe person here on Geekhack to trust, when it comes to money especially how much this parasite had raked in for himself and disappeared, never to be heard of again.
I know some naive people think they will get their money back or worse, that they will even see their GMK key-caps but that will only happen, when you smoke some dope in a dark room. Time to wake up from your ignorance and see the keyboard world for what it really is, one rip off after another, until you decide to stop and concentrate on more important things in life.
As bad as it sounds, is just the naked truth.
I've kissed my money goodbye the day I joined the GB, keycaps or no. I'm now being more cautious with future buys.
Right! If we do not learn the lesson; then, the money was totally wasted; but, in the other hand, if trusted people like Ivan did this scam, we should take preventive measures on time, as claiming the money back when it was still possible.
People tried to but were ridiculed to no end if I remember correctly.
Ivan begged people to stop issuing Paypal disputes back when the window was still open. I'm not in this GB, but I am a participant in his RedScarf GB and I didn't issue a Paypal dispute back when I still could because of this exact message.Sorry I have not been around for awhile.
I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.
If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Exactly, a pledge email plus a good standing and a great past GB leading record made the magic of stopping the tents of now defrauded people to stop in their heels to open disputes, that by then were more than justified.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Fri, 25 March 2016, 17:49:09
I've sent an update email to everyone who has reached me on the gmail addressCan you ask them for some kind of identifier we can all attach to allow them easily group is together?
If you don't get it for some reason the gist of it is reach out to paypal as soon as possible and file a claim with them
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 25 March 2016, 20:26:13
I've sent an update email to everyone who has reached me on the gmail addressCan you ask them for some kind of identifier we can all attach to allow them easily group is together?
If you don't get it for some reason the gist of it is reach out to paypal as soon as possible and file a claim with them
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
Probably a little late, a week after the fact.
edit: just smoked some dope in a dark room, no caps, sorry.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 25 March 2016, 20:29:18
I've sent an update email to everyone who has reached me on the gmail addressCan you ask them for some kind of identifier we can all attach to allow them easily group is together?
If you don't get it for some reason the gist of it is reach out to paypal as soon as possible and file a claim with them
Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
I asked if there was anything that they could provide in that regard they said just email and with enough "flags" on his account the investigation would automatically start
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 25 March 2016, 22:23:20
I asked if there was anything that they could provide in that regard they said just email and with enough "flags" on his account the investigation would automatically start
Just explain to a VERY simple person here regarding the Hunt For Ivan here on GH Central, via Paypal.
So if enough newbs (me included here) complain then Paypal MIGHT launch some kind of "investigation" which will lead to what exactly?
Currently Paypal don't have the authority to demand any of the money back for the suckers who paid him in the first place, so why do you think this will change under a possible "Paypal Investigation" well past the 180 day limit.
Simple fact we all want to know here, will we EVER GET OUR MONEY BACK from this Rip-Off Merchant, under any possible 'future' paypal investigation?
Post by: filphil on Fri, 25 March 2016, 22:43:48
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 26 March 2016, 00:05:34
You won't know. Just like you wouldn't know if you'll really get your product from any gb here on geekhack.
I'm not against what swimmingbird wants to do here, he would like to make sure this scumbag doesn't walk away from here unscathed at all. If Paypal can do anything, it's to ONLY suspend this scam-merchant's account with them and that is about all they will ever do.
In the end it's us dumb-arse suckers who believed in him that had our wallets raped by him and all we could now do is chalk it down to a bad experience. My ONLY advice to everyone here on Geekhack, don't TRUST anyone when it comes to your money and don't fear in launching any possible claims against any scumbag merchant, that looks like stealing your money away.
The 180 day time limit is the final deadline in ever seeing your money hence do all that's necessary to determine whether the guy you're handing over your money too is indeed trustworthy, which is now even more difficult to contemplate in 2016.
Post by: demsix on Sat, 26 March 2016, 01:55:33
Quote
Transaction ID: xxxxxxx
Merchant: IvanIvanovich - sturzen.kultur@gmail.com
Hi, last year I joined a group buy* and this merchant took the funds but never delivered the product. There are several others who are a part of this group buy who have lost money because of this. You may begin to see other users flag this account because of this activity/fraud and you may want to investigate this to protect other users.
I understand there's a PayPal has a limit when funds can be returned, but at least you should be aware that this account has committed serious fraud by taking a large sum of money from users of the group buy.
Here is a thread of users of the group buy discussing this issue: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.1400
* A group buy is when a group of people get together to buy a product directly from a manufacturer that otherwise wouldn't be possible due manufacturers requiring a minimum order quota. The group buy owner (In this case, IvanIvanovich - sturzen.kultur@gmail.com) takes the funds from the group, places the order, receives the order, then ships out the parts to the group buy participants.
https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/contact/email
If anyone wants to copy or has anything to add feel free.
Post by: Limewirelord on Sat, 26 March 2016, 03:22:08
I don't see the point of being so pointlessly negative about everything. If anything, Ivan gets in major trouble for everything and the rest of Geekhack is now more wary of events like these happening in the future. Yeah, it sucks that most of the participants most likely won't be seeing their money back or any sort of product but **** happens. This is why I was against the blind support of Ivan previously (lel Elrick flaming people trying to do chargebacks and other people who were remotely skeptical of Ivan) but now is the time to pull together and at least get Paypal to investigate what might have happened here.
@swimmingbird: Perhaps it'd be in the benefit of people who sent in invoice information to create a template for the Paypal claim process in order to make it easier for people to send in a ticket? I know I was being super lazy about it until I saw that link and template where all I needed to do was shove in my transaction ID. Ease of use makes people get off their ass.
Post by: WinterIsle on Sat, 26 March 2016, 03:40:26
Thanks for the template attached.QuoteTransaction ID: xxxxxxx
Merchant: IvanIvanovich - sturzen.kultur@gmail.com
Hi, last year I joined a group buy* and this merchant took the funds but never delivered the product. There are several others who are a part of this group buy who have lost money because of this. You may begin to see other users flag this account because of this activity/fraud and you may want to investigate this to protect other users.
I understand there's a PayPal has a limit when funds can be returned, but at least you should be aware that this account has committed serious fraud by taking a large sum of money from users of the group buy.
Here is a thread of users of the group buy discussing this issue: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.1400
* A group buy is when a group of people get together to buy a product directly from a manufacturer that otherwise wouldn't be possible due manufacturers requiring a minimum order quota. The group buy owner (In this case, IvanIvanovich - sturzen.kultur@gmail.com) takes the funds from the group, places the order, receives the order, then ships out the parts to the group buy participants.
https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/contact/email
If anyone wants to copy or has anything to add feel free.
I have sent a fraud report to paypal with my transaction id numbers.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 26 March 2016, 05:04:47
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 26 March 2016, 05:11:15
Although we cannot investigate a transaction after 180 days, you can open a buyer dispute. Your dispute will be noted on the seller's records. This may encourage your seller to communicate with you and try to reach a resolution in this matter. In some exceptional cases, we may be able to investigate the claim at a later time. This normally only occurs if we receive a large volume of complaints against the seller.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 26 March 2016, 05:19:06
Btw, from paypal's site:
Although we cannot investigate a transaction after 180 days, you can open a buyer dispute. Your dispute will be noted on the seller's records. This may encourage your seller to communicate with you and try to reach a resolution in this matter. In some exceptional cases, we may be able to investigate the claim at a later time. This normally only occurs if we receive a large volume of complaints against the seller.
This looks promising.
Post by: cozimkorean on Sat, 26 March 2016, 11:17:25
Btw, from paypal's site:
Although we cannot investigate a transaction after 180 days, you can open a buyer dispute. Your dispute will be noted on the seller's records. This may encourage your seller to communicate with you and try to reach a resolution in this matter. In some exceptional cases, we may be able to investigate the claim at a later time. This normally only occurs if we receive a large volume of complaints against the seller.
You guys will get your money back if you all work together properly :))
Post by: demik on Sat, 26 March 2016, 11:19:31
Btw, from paypal's site:
Although we cannot investigate a transaction after 180 days, you can open a buyer dispute. Your dispute will be noted on the seller's records. This may encourage your seller to communicate with you and try to reach a resolution in this matter. In some exceptional cases, we may be able to investigate the claim at a later time. This normally only occurs if we receive a large volume of complaints against the seller.
You guys will get your money back if you all work together properly :))
Not unless that money has been taken out already
Post by: Vittra on Sat, 26 March 2016, 11:21:48
Post by: Dreamre on Sat, 26 March 2016, 12:08:26
QuoteTransaction ID: xxxxxxx
Merchant: IvanIvanovich - sturzen.kultur@gmail.com
Hi, last year I joined a group buy* and this merchant took the funds but never delivered the product. There are several others who are a part of this group buy who have lost money because of this. You may begin to see other users flag this account because of this activity/fraud and you may want to investigate this to protect other users.
I understand there's a PayPal has a limit when funds can be returned, but at least you should be aware that this account has committed serious fraud by taking a large sum of money from users of the group buy.
Here is a thread of users of the group buy discussing this issue: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.1400
* A group buy is when a group of people get together to buy a product directly from a manufacturer that otherwise wouldn't be possible due manufacturers requiring a minimum order quota. The group buy owner (In this case, IvanIvanovich - sturzen.kultur@gmail.com) takes the funds from the group, places the order, receives the order, then ships out the parts to the group buy participants.
https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/contact/email
If anyone wants to copy or has anything to add feel free.
Thanks for the template :).
Post by: Baddy126 on Sat, 26 March 2016, 13:16:23
Not necessarily - Paypal can put his balance into negative and go after him directly through legal means. It is, however, difficult to ascertain if this is the route they would take.
I don't see why PayPal would shift the liability from the group buyers to themselves though
Post by: Michael on Sat, 26 March 2016, 14:26:50
Not necessarily - Paypal can put his balance into negative and go after him directly through legal means. It is, however, difficult to ascertain if this is the route they would take.
I don't see why PayPal would shift the liability from the group buyers to themselves though
Wikipedia lawyering aside, the scale of this fraud is in felonious amounts. If anyone was actually serious, you could file a suit against Ivan (class action? I dunno).
This would directly have to involve PayPal, so if they could get around this issue, and they usually can, all liability would be on Ivan, as PayPal can take money
from the bank connected to his account, and if that isn't possible, they can take steps to recover the money by other means.
If you guys missed it, swimmingbird did in fact call PayPal, and they did advise him to put in a dispute even though its out of the 180 period. So I do believe there
may still be hope.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 26 March 2016, 22:13:29
If you guys missed it, swimmingbird did in fact call PayPal, and they did advise him to put in a dispute even though its out of the 180 period. So I do believe there
may still be hope.
Okay we'll all see if paypal will step up but according to all their rules and regulations the after 180 day period applies for all purchases hence launching any private calss action inside the United States would be ludicrous beyond belief.
Mostly because as foreigners we don't get any legal recognition within your country were this fraud was perpetrated, so us lot lose big time yet again before anything could appear in any court for recovery of money lost. I knew buying into Group Buys was risky in the past but to have it done to you in 2015/2016, by a long time member is truly EVIL beyond belief. Maybe seeing all that money switched his pilfering gene on (yes there are born thieves amongst us) and he succumbed without delay.
Just to let everyone here know the exact amount I lost in this deal, it was a tidy $437.84USD. Maybe I got what I deserved for supporting this horrid Felcher but I suppose you live and learn, being here on GH Central.
Another note for everyone residing here on GH, Ivanivanovich can easily start another identity and do this all over again under an assumed name, hence be aware of any new identities trying to launch new Group Buys because you never know if it's him doing it all over again to gain everyone's trust. He's a slimy operator like all Dirty Dealers and he has time on his side to build up your confidence in him.
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 27 March 2016, 05:46:23
Cheers
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 27 March 2016, 07:03:29
I took over someone else's buy, any hope for me?
Cheers
Was Ivan involved in and notified of the transfer?
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sun, 27 March 2016, 09:17:28
I took over someone else's buy, any hope for me?
Cheers
You would have to have the person who's order you took over do a claim on your behalf.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 27 March 2016, 16:53:50
I took over someone else's buy, any hope for me?
Cheers
You would have to have the person who's order you took over do a claim on your behalf.
Unfortunately this is correct
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 27 March 2016, 18:43:53
Quoted from their email sent to me this morning;
Thank you for contacting PayPal.
I have opened a claim for you, however it will close right away because it is beyond our 180 days we have to file a claim.
I am sorry for any inconvenience. It is my pleasure to assist you. Thank you for choosing PayPal.Sincerely,
Deborah
Protection Services Department
PayPal
Copyright © 1999-2016 PayPal. All rights reserved.
Welcome folks to the REAL WORLD.
Fantasies of ever getting your money back via Paypal, is never going to happen so get use to being lighter in your pocket for trusting this particular Scumbag Merchant, who got away with your money and probably laughing off his face for doing it.
Trust me he'll be back under an assumed name to do it again, simply because he got away with it the first time and shall get away with it the second, third and fourth time here on Geekhack Central.
This place is an official haven for thieving SH1THOLES such as this, so beware of whom you're giving your money too.
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 27 March 2016, 18:50:14
I took over someone else's buy, any hope for me?
Cheers
You would have to have the person who's order you took over do a claim on your behalf.
Unfortunately this is correct
Thank you sirs!
Post by: korrelate on Sun, 27 March 2016, 19:24:12
we probably aren't going to get our money back but that doesn't mean we have to make it easy for him.
Never mind.. what I had proposed was a pretty harsh option and after reflection I don't think it's necessary (because his own conscience will punish him enough) or even warranted.
Cheers,
K
Post by: korrelate on Sun, 27 March 2016, 19:37:19
Just telling people to "be careful who you give your money to" doesn't help. i got stung by druger and by Ivan and in both cases these guys had pretty good reputations right before they turned to the dark side. Not just good reputations... good service... i had successfully bought from both of them before they turned.
seriously.. ivan basically modeled his move on what druger had done. I am seriously beginning to wonder if druger and Ivan aren't the same person.
anyway... why don't we have some kind of identity authentication done before people can run group buys? or is there some kind of online service that already does this?
you know... they don't have to authenticate with the mods... we don't even have to make it mandatory that people get authenticated by mods... and we certainly don't want to hold the mods responsible for anything but i think that people would be much less a inclined to try to/actually rip us off if their identity was known to the somebody (some or all of the participants) and i further believe that everyone would rather buy from someone whose identity is authenticated.
Post by: Michael on Sun, 27 March 2016, 19:59:37
one more thing: let's try to focus on what can be done to avoid these in the future.
Working on it. Feel free to contribute
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80764.0
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 27 March 2016, 20:31:36
anyway... why don't we have some kind of identity authentication done before people can run group buys? or is there some kind of online service that already does this?
you know... they don't have to authenticate with the mods... we don't even have to make it mandatory that people get authenticated by mods... and we certainly don't want to ho,d the mods responsible for anything but i think that people would be much less a nclined to rip us off if their identity was known to the mods and i further believe that everyone qould rather buy from someone whose identity is authenticated.
Word to the WISE here, the MODS don't know sh1t what's happening other than hearing about what has happened from us the "ripped off", which is usually way to late.
Maybe we shouldn't hand over money to anyone other than PMK, CTRL/ALT and MassDrop meaning these are the ONLY places where you'll get your money back no question and at any time.
Any other person here on this site won't be that so forgiving, about handing back your money so forget about Druger and Ivan because anyone that has money in their hands can do this, run to the hills and never to be heard of again. We essentially gave them the money and freedom to this in the first place whilst other organizations have to abide by Paypal rules and regulations, the private scumbags don't have to.
All anyone can do now is recommend extreme caution when handing over money irrespective of what the Mods agree on anything. Besides, the Mods don't agree on anyone handing over money to strangers simply because they can't guarantee or can never do so, that you will get what you paid for in the first place.
In fact the Mods can't do anything so I was wondering why do they allow this activity on this website in the first place? It won't be long before some US citizen decides to take Geekhack to court and charge them for allowing this activity here and not doing anything to stop it. THEY Geekhack, have to stop Group Buy activities and anything to do with money laundering through fake Group Buys, otherwise it will harm them in any future court proceedings. One thing you could count on in the United States, the complete freedom to pursue anyone within their legal system, if they have been ripped off.
Time to decide, get rid of Group Buys here on this site or face legal proceedings for allowing it to continue and helping the scumbags to get away with this. Your choice........
Post by: korrelate on Mon, 28 March 2016, 00:58:28
Probably the only way to go about this properly is to bubble the request up those members with storefronts or MD and the like.
For my part, I'm totally done with GBs. The risk to reward ratio is just too high and the temptation for the organizer is just too great.
If someone has a storefront then they have some skin in the game. Any old GHer, though... to organize that and then sit around with thousands and thousands... that's a temptation that I think people need to have put into context. I mean honestly, I feel kind of bad for the organizers in that regard... they are putting themselves in a position where their morality is going to be tested like it never has before.
I mean think about it... an organizer starts a GB just because they wanted an XoX color scheme and then all of a sudden they're sitting on an account with tens of thousands of dollars in it.
So what do they do? That's not just a good down payment on car... that's a cash payment for a car or a down payment on a freaking house. Those XoX keycaps can't compare.
So there we go... I think that's the prevention... anyone who gets into a GB is only risking a hundred or two bucks. When that's lost it really is a shame for many reasons, but that's hardly the problem. Don't ask yourself if you can afford to lose your cost of the GB... ask yourself if you trust the organizer not skip town with $40,000 (forty THOUSAND) USD. I'm sure some GBs are less and others are more (I bet Druger made off with quite a bit more because there were a lot of orders for Dolch back then) but to me, that's the real issue.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that with some good thinking we could find a way to get these done... escrow accounts or some such thing... something that makes this:
A. Safer for the Participant.
B. Less Tempting for the Organizer (I do think that these things do have the potential to put too much temptation in front of people who may not be equipped to handle this...). I would hate to have something like this on my conscience, seriously, but I view this as one of those "There but for the grace of God go I."
But you know what, you are absolutely right: GHers can't look to the mods for help on this, nor should we want to... seems like a way of just increasing the risk of something that people are only doing for free and anything that increases that risk is just adding the hassle of running something like this.
That reminds me... I can't remember who was running the GB for the blank SP Dolch but they actually went through and refunded everybody... once it was obvious that Druger screwed everybody. Whoever it was that was running that Blank Dolch GB... he was really a stand up dude.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 28 March 2016, 01:45:35
That reminds me... I can't remember who was running the GB for the blank SP Dolch but they actually went through and refunded everybody... once it was obvious that Druger screwed everybody. Whoever it was that was running that Blank Dolch GB... he was really a stand up dude.
Relying on that special INDIVIDUAL with a conscious and a soul, to not steal the money or let it fly away mysteriously is now quite rare.
This shouldn't be a lotto-like system in which FIRST prize is the complete theft of all your money and all that is left is to constantly b1tch and whine here on Geekhack for ever more.
YES you've got some very stand-up guys but they're mixed up with the low-life, felching, scum-buckets that will disappear with anyone's money without a second thought. Need to try and weed out those pieces of sh1t before they entrench themselves permanently here on Geekhack, as so-called 'trusted organizers'.
Post by: wodan on Mon, 28 March 2016, 02:07:57
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolle_prosequi
And the case remains pretty simple, Ivan has money has doesn't own and you want it back. No one here ever gave Ivan the money to keep - very simple to prove that with the Paypal transaction - yet he kept it. Just because it happened on the internet doesn't make it less criminal. Should he have declares the money as income in his taxes, that would be a jackpot for all of you since that means he admits possessing the money. Maybe you now start to understand why alot of the drug money is not declared income - you admit possession of the funds and this raises questions about the source of the money. His best bet would be claiming having forwarded the funds to the manufacturers as promised until proven wrong or under oath ;)
Oh yeah and as a lesson learned for future GB, I will create a reminder in my calendar a few days before the PayPal dispute window closes and check if my GB appears in the SP production schedule as "scheduled" or is confirmed by the manufacturer in another way. This is the least I can expect from a GB organizer to post proof of payment to the manufacturer within the 180d dispute windows of paypal. SPs new production status page is a very very valuable community service in that aspect!
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/ (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/)
Mhm Nantucket Selectric ...
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 28 March 2016, 07:53:04
1. The GB system is flawed there's no set in stone requirements for the GB host, other than a post count. On top of that they don't have to post any sort of proof at any point, the argument here could easily be that's on the buyer not the forum to decide when they should/should not back out of the GB, but either way it can be seen as a problem.
2. This is the one that I'm trying to get at with my first sentence, as pointed out by many people throughout all of this "nothing will happen" "it's far too easy to do this" "we're not getting our money back" we have a defeatist attitude and if you bring up wanting to make someone's life hard you're seen as an *******... Well I have news for you, Ivan made tons of people of this communities lives hard, I get it, you shouldn't take part in a GB if you're hurting for money (or make any unnecessary purchases for that matter) but regardless of your financial standpoint $100-$500 is nothing to just throw away. So why is it wrong to want to get him in trouble or make life harder for him if he did it to potentially hundreds of members of our community? Either way let's put that mindset aside and think of the problem with the GB format, you have to trust that you're going to get the product, there's obviously not very much risk on the end of the GB leader, it's all on the buyers (obviously if you're a honest and good GB leader you sometimes take on the risk of prototyping and the work of sorting/shipping/all of that crap that I would never even consider doing personally but I'm talking in general) and right now we have Drugger, Kin25, and Ivan who have defrauded potentially 100's of thousands of dollars from the community with 0 legal backlash, so with that in mind, what's going to stop me from doing the exact same thing next week? If other community members are shunned/ridiculed for wanting to "get back at me" for stealing their money to the point where I have nothing to fear?
We should instead try to scare people into not doing this sort of thing... Show them that if you decide to take this course of action Geekhack as a community will pursue legal action on you and make your life hell. Not show them that they can get away with it.
Sorry for the rant and run on sentences, I'm more or less rant/venting because the overall mindset of this community on the GB section of GH is extremely toxic towards anyone who raises any concerns towards the GB leader at any point and that needs to change, people shouldn't be trashed because they're concerned their order hasn't had any updates for a month+ because "thats how this leader does thing" or seen as scum for wanting to file a charge back, people should be empowered to force GB leaders to follow guidelines and keep everyone updated and respond to their customers, and if they can't do that, and if this causes less GBs because less people want to take on that risk, well then I guess we'll miss out on another custom keyboard/keyset but at least we wont be missing out on them and missing out on hundreds of dollars.
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 28 March 2016, 09:17:01
It would be nice if the GB leaders would provide some guarantees (e.g. not charging the whole amount up front, regular updates, etc...) but I do not understand why these should be "requirements". I, as a GB participant, would look at what does the GB leader offer as guarantees, and if they're not enough, I would not participate. This is *my* responsibility, and not a responsibility of anybody else, certainly not GH. "GH endorsing a GB" is in the end nothing else than another bunch of semi-random people saying things will be OK and presenting it as "a fact".
I think of it like giving money to a random person at a bus stop, who I've just had a half-an-hour conversation with, to go and buy me a sandwich. If there is some evidence that he's done this for my friend a week ago already, all the better. The more I know about the person, the better. In the end, it's a risk/value assessment on my side. There is always some risk, even if it wasn't a random person but my best friend since childhood.
Similarly, it is completely up to the individuals to decide whether/when to do a paypal chargeback and/or seek some legal means. Why does it have to be "endorsed" or "not endorsed" by the community? Ah, right, peer pressure.
Certainly there are reasons to try to pursue Ivan legally. But for me "just because I want to make his life hell" is not one of the reasons, and in my opinion it is not a good one. Eye for an eye? Wanting to get my money back - that would be a good reason for me.
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We should instead try to scare people into not doing this sort of thing... Show them that if you decide to take this course of action Geekhack as a community will pursue legal action on you and make your life hell. Not show them that they can get away with it.Yes, because an athmosphere of fear is the best way, and it solves all the problems.
With the posts in this thread, I am actually amazed anyone is willing to run any group buys at all. They can certainly expect random chargebacks (just like it happened to Bro) and various threats.
Finally - certainly it is safer to go with registered companies like MassDrop - but remember that MassDrop can also just declare bankruptcy and then you'll be lucky if you get pennies on a dollar back. That's one of the points of running a company - your personal assets are not liable for any loss that the company incurs. Is this likely to happen? I don't consider it too likely. But it could happen. Just like with Ivan, I didn't consider it too likely that he'd disappear.
Also, just because people have a web "storefront" (e.g. LeandreN, UKKeycaps, ...) this does not mean that they have a registered company, and that the situation is any different from a GB run through GeekHack. You're still giving money to a person on a promise that they deliver something, and have exactly the same official possibilities to get your money back (paypal chargeback, legal action) if something breaks down.
I personally will still participate in group buys if I'll be OK with the risk/value ratio.
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 28 March 2016, 09:31:43
Quote from: daviswalkersWe should instead try to scare people into not doing this sort of thing... Show them that if you decide to take this course of action Geekhack as a community will pursue legal action on you and make your life hell. Not show them that they can get away with it.Yes, because an athmosphere of fear is the best way, and it solves all the problems.
It's how the entire legal system is designed... You commit murder, you're either getting life/death sentence, not because the person wants/needs/is owed revenge, but because it's meant to dissuade other people from committing murder. Obviously murder still exists but I would be willing to bet that if there was no repercussion for murder it would happen a hell of a lot more. Obviously that's an extreme example but lets look at in a very similar light, if I had no fear of getting in legal trouble for walking into a store and stealing everything I wanted it would be much harder for me to not do it than it currently is, maybe that says a lot about me as a person however I'm not saying I would do it, but that it would be much harder for me not to, and based off of looting every time there's a riot/natural disaster that it tends to be true for others as well.
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:04:27
If a company were set up that all GBs ran through, even if that company just received and sent the money, that would eliminate a ton of these concerns.
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:27:22
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
Post by: redskull on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:28:16
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:30:31
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?Nobody here has the balls to confront a skinny hipster. It's a keyboard forum man.
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:33:30
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?Nobody here has the balls to confront a skinny hipster. It's a keyboard forum man.
Funny how people think a bunch of nerds are just going to drive down and confront someone.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:42:56
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?Nobody here has the balls to confront a skinny hipster. It's a keyboard forum man.
Funny how people think a bunch of nerds are just going to drive down and confront someone.
That may be one of the reasons Ivan considered when he decided to take the money and run.
Post by: redskull on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:43:51
Post by: whmeltonjr on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:48:31
well hoff met him, maybe he can just go down there and have a talk, see whats going on. no need to be nasty or anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hoff is like 9 hours away IIRC, and who says Ivan hasn't moved?
Post by: qwack on Mon, 28 March 2016, 10:50:16
Collect the relevant info (who's involved in these buys, and for how much), send it to Paypal as suggested just in case they might be able to do something about it, perhaps forward it to whichever authority seems more likely to take the matter into their hands (unless you're okay with letting it slide), that's probably the best course of action. Forget about confronting the man, he won't even answer on the internet, what do you expect him to tell you if you meet him?
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 28 March 2016, 11:12:46
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
Post by: redskull on Mon, 28 March 2016, 11:21:25
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
calm down man, luls. whats with all the mob mentality.
im saying, its something that someone can try. what if he is willing to meet up, everyone can sit down nicely and talk things out? from what was posted, Ivan had an accident, maybe it changed him and things went downhill onwards.
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 28 March 2016, 11:26:12
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
calm down man, luls. whats with all the mob mentality.
im saying, its something that someone can try. what if he is willing to meet up, everyone can sit down nicely and talk things out? from what was posted, Ivan had an accident, maybe it changed him and things went downhill onwards.
Perfectly calm here, man. What makes you think he'd be willing to meet up and discuss things when he stopped responding to Hoff after Hoff pressed him for information about what's going on?
Post by: redskull on Mon, 28 March 2016, 11:36:42
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
calm down man, luls. whats with all the mob mentality.
im saying, its something that someone can try. what if he is willing to meet up, everyone can sit down nicely and talk things out? from what was posted, Ivan had an accident, maybe it changed him and things went downhill onwards.
Perfectly calm here, man. What makes you think he'd be willing to meet up and discuss things when he stopped responding to Hoff after Hoff pressed him for information about what's going on?
nothing man, just that for me its at least one thing that someone can try out.
i've been in a similar situation before and in the local forum im in something similar happened when a moderator who owns a physical computer shop did a gb for kingston rams, took thousands in cash and suddenly bolted. everyone went berserk but a few cool heads went to track him down, found him and they sat down settled things calmly and clearly. dude paid back most of the cash although i never got hold about the rest.
in any case, more often than not these things happen when the culprit accidentally hit something unplanned. im not discounting Ivan on anything, but it might be worth for someone to try meet him up, talk things nicely and see how it goes. if he keeps avoiding, then at the least it would be clear that he is simply a douchebag and deserves **** for what he'd done.
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 28 March 2016, 11:49:31
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
calm down man, luls. whats with all the mob mentality.
im saying, its something that someone can try. what if he is willing to meet up, everyone can sit down nicely and talk things out? from what was posted, Ivan had an accident, maybe it changed him and things went downhill onwards.
Perfectly calm here, man. What makes you think he'd be willing to meet up and discuss things when he stopped responding to Hoff after Hoff pressed him for information about what's going on?
nothing man, just that for me its at least one thing that someone can try out.
i've been in a similar situation before and in the local forum im in something similar happened when a moderator who owns a physical computer shop did a gb for kingston rams, took thousands in cash and suddenly bolted. everyone went berserk but a few cool heads went to track him down, found him and they sat down settled things calmly and clearly. dude paid back most of the cash although i never got hold about the rest.
in any case, more often than not these things happen when the culprit accidentally hit something unplanned. im not discounting Ivan on anything, but it might be worth for someone to try meet him up, talk things nicely and see how it goes. if he keeps avoiding, then at the least it would be clear that he is simply a douchebag and deserves **** for what he'd done.
You go drive down and meet him then.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 28 March 2016, 11:50:26
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
calm down man, luls. whats with all the mob mentality.
im saying, its something that someone can try. what if he is willing to meet up, everyone can sit down nicely and talk things out? from what was posted, Ivan had an accident, maybe it changed him and things went downhill onwards.
Perfectly calm here, man. What makes you think he'd be willing to meet up and discuss things when he stopped responding to Hoff after Hoff pressed him for information about what's going on?
nothing man, just that for me its at least one thing that someone can try out.
i've been in a similar situation before and in the local forum im in something similar happened when a moderator who owns a physical computer shop did a gb for kingston rams, took thousands in cash and suddenly bolted. everyone went berserk but a few cool heads went to track him down, found him and they sat down settled things calmly and clearly. dude paid back most of the cash although i never got hold about the rest.
in any case, more often than not these things happen when the culprit accidentally hit something unplanned. im not discounting Ivan on anything, but it might be worth for someone to try meet him up, talk things nicely and see how it goes. if he keeps avoiding, then at the least it would be clear that he is simply a douchebag and deserves **** for what he'd done.
You go drive down and meet him then.
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Post by: redskull on Mon, 28 March 2016, 12:02:22
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
calm down man, luls. whats with all the mob mentality.
im saying, its something that someone can try. what if he is willing to meet up, everyone can sit down nicely and talk things out? from what was posted, Ivan had an accident, maybe it changed him and things went downhill onwards.
Perfectly calm here, man. What makes you think he'd be willing to meet up and discuss things when he stopped responding to Hoff after Hoff pressed him for information about what's going on?
nothing man, just that for me its at least one thing that someone can try out.
i've been in a similar situation before and in the local forum im in something similar happened when a moderator who owns a physical computer shop did a gb for kingston rams, took thousands in cash and suddenly bolted. everyone went berserk but a few cool heads went to track him down, found him and they sat down settled things calmly and clearly. dude paid back most of the cash although i never got hold about the rest.
in any case, more often than not these things happen when the culprit accidentally hit something unplanned. im not discounting Ivan on anything, but it might be worth for someone to try meet him up, talk things nicely and see how it goes. if he keeps avoiding, then at the least it would be clear that he is simply a douchebag and deserves **** for what he'd done.
You go drive down and meet him then.
i would if i could.
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 28 March 2016, 12:16:27
so no ones gonna go down and find Ivan for some explanation?
And what do you propose they do after they get there? Beat him up for the money? Hold a gun to his head until he gives the money back? What if he shuts the door in your face, then calls the cops on you for trespassing? You think you're explanation of 'he took my moneys over the internet' will suffice? What if he says he has no idea who IvanIvanovich is, and he's already wiped his computer clean of all the info? Sure PayPal will have the transactions still, but regardless.
calm down man, luls. whats with all the mob mentality.
im saying, its something that someone can try. what if he is willing to meet up, everyone can sit down nicely and talk things out? from what was posted, Ivan had an accident, maybe it changed him and things went downhill onwards.
Perfectly calm here, man. What makes you think he'd be willing to meet up and discuss things when he stopped responding to Hoff after Hoff pressed him for information about what's going on?
nothing man, just that for me its at least one thing that someone can try out.
i've been in a similar situation before and in the local forum im in something similar happened when a moderator who owns a physical computer shop did a gb for kingston rams, took thousands in cash and suddenly bolted. everyone went berserk but a few cool heads went to track him down, found him and they sat down settled things calmly and clearly. dude paid back most of the cash although i never got hold about the rest.
in any case, more often than not these things happen when the culprit accidentally hit something unplanned. im not discounting Ivan on anything, but it might be worth for someone to try meet him up, talk things nicely and see how it goes. if he keeps avoiding, then at the least it would be clear that he is simply a douchebag and deserves **** for what he'd done.
You go drive down and meet him then.
i would if i could.
That's my excuse too.
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:06:06
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
How so? You create a C-Corp called, oh how about GeekHack Buys Inc, which GBs can have the option of running through. Creating a C-Corp is stupidly easy and I could have it setup in under 10 minutes as long as I have the information required such as an address or PO Box and at least one "owner" to put the Corporation under. This would allow people who want to use the Corporation for facilitating GBs the ability to do so, and also give people who want to get into the GB some reassurance that their money won't be snatched away. This way also solves personal liability and personal tax issues as C-Corps do not flow to owner's personal tax returns as they instead pay the flat Corporate tax rate on any profit, which should ideally be nothing.
For this option, you pay a very small fee which covers fees related to the C-Corp but also gives you insurance, which could be in name only or could be actual liability insurance through a 3rd party covering GeekHack Buys Inc if people wanted it. Then the GB organizer simply transfers the money to the Corporation, which then pays whatever vendor they are running through, and that's all the Corporation would theoretically have to be involved. This also wouldn't have to be a requirement to run a GB on GeekHack as you could definitely run one yourself, but then you the buyer run the risk of what has now happened multiple times of people walking away with thousands and thousands of dollars.
I am just trying to find a solution to this problem and future unseen problems, because eventually someone is gonna get ****ed by the IRS running these and they are gonna get whacked with the tax bill because of it. If you guys want to keep gambling that great, but having personally dealt with the IRS and people who gamble on almost a daily basis, I can tell you this GB system is going to blow up eventually.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:10:18
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
How so? You create a C-Corp called, oh how about GeekHack Buys Inc, which GBs can have the option of running through. Creating a C-Corp is stupidly easy and I could have it setup in under 10 minutes as long as I have the information required such as an address or PO Box and at least one "owner" to put the Corporation under. This would allow people who want to use the Corporation for facilitating GBs the ability to do so, and also give people who want to get into the GB some reassurance that their money won't be snatched away. This way also solves personal liability and personal tax issues as C-Corps do not flow to owner's personal tax returns as they instead pay the flat Corporate tax rate on any profit, which should ideally be nothing.
For this option, you pay a very small fee which covers fees related to the C-Corp but also gives you insurance, which could be in name only or could be actual liability insurance through a 3rd party covering GeekHack Buys Inc if people wanted it. Then the GB organizer simply transfers the money to the Corporation, which then pays whatever vendor they are running through, and that's all the Corporation would theoretically have to be involved. This also wouldn't have to be a requirement to run a GB on GeekHack as you could definitely run one yourself, but then you the buyer run the risk of what has now happened multiple times of people walking away with thousands and thousands of dollars.
I am just trying to find a solution to this problem and future unseen problems, because eventually someone is gonna get ****ed by the IRS running these and they are gonna get whacked with the tax bill because of it. If you guys want to keep gambling that great, but having personally dealt with the IRS and people who gamble on almost a daily basis, I can tell you this GB system is going to blow up eventually.
That is a very interesting idea, thank you very much for sharing, beyond the buys, it is good to know that alternative exists.
Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:32:05
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
For this option, you pay a very small fee which covers fees related to the C-Corp but also gives you insurance, which could be in name only or could be actual liability insurance through a 3rd party covering GeekHack Buys Inc if people wanted it. Then the GB organizer simply transfers the money to the Corporation, which then pays whatever vendor they are running through, and that's all the Corporation would theoretically have to be involved. This also wouldn't have to be a requirement to run a GB on GeekHack as you could definitely run one yourself, but then you the buyer run the risk of what has now happened multiple times of people walking away with thousands and thousands of dollars.
You can even further improve the process with better segregation of duties. People in the group buy can send money to the corp with certain titles so they know which group buy it's from to avoid having the GB organizer be in contact with the money at all. Put all the data in the excel document and just match the GH name with the paypal title to see who has paid and who hasn't. Either way you'll still need to elect people trust worthy enough to run Geekhack. There are also fees involved with creating a corporation though it's not much.
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:35:23
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
How so? You create a C-Corp called, oh how about GeekHack Buys Inc, which GBs can have the option of running through. Creating a C-Corp is stupidly easy and I could have it setup in under 10 minutes as long as I have the information required such as an address or PO Box and at least one "owner" to put the Corporation under. This would allow people who want to use the Corporation for facilitating GBs the ability to do so, and also give people who want to get into the GB some reassurance that their money won't be snatched away. This way also solves personal liability and personal tax issues as C-Corps do not flow to owner's personal tax returns as they instead pay the flat Corporate tax rate on any profit, which should ideally be nothing.
For this option, you pay a very small fee which covers fees related to the C-Corp but also gives you insurance, which could be in name only or could be actual liability insurance through a 3rd party covering GeekHack Buys Inc if people wanted it. Then the GB organizer simply transfers the money to the Corporation, which then pays whatever vendor they are running through, and that's all the Corporation would theoretically have to be involved. This also wouldn't have to be a requirement to run a GB on GeekHack as you could definitely run one yourself, but then you the buyer run the risk of what has now happened multiple times of people walking away with thousands and thousands of dollars.
I am just trying to find a solution to this problem and future unseen problems, because eventually someone is gonna get ****ed by the IRS running these and they are gonna get whacked with the tax bill because of it. If you guys want to keep gambling that great, but having personally dealt with the IRS and people who gamble on almost a daily basis, I can tell you this GB system is going to blow up eventually.
Incorporating isn't the issue; Managing and running it is.
The tax liability issues would still be there for the organizer if they're collecting funds to be transferred to the GB corp. Maybe I'm missing something (you're the tax guy), but that seems no different than transferring directly to the manufacturer from a tax perspective. If that's a potential issue, then collecting funds and transferring to GB corp would be as well. And if the goal is avoiding organizer mismanagement, there's still inherent risk in sending them the money in the first place.
Assuming the above is correct, GB corp would need to be involved in collecting payments. This has a ton of hidden costs: coordinating with the group buy organizer on pricing and verification (was the right amount sent?); managing and accounting for payments received from multiple simultaneous group buys; dealing with chargebacks (there will _always_ be chargebacks), which now could potentially affect entirely unrelated buys if an account is frozen. This begins to look more and more like a full-time job and business, as opposed to a simple shell corp.
I don't mean to be a naysayer, but the problems above aren't solved for in a weekend, but rather with serious investment by someone committed to it. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but it's not going to happen overnight, and I personally doubt its worth.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:39:12
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
How so? You create a C-Corp called, oh how about GeekHack Buys Inc, which GBs can have the option of running through. Creating a C-Corp is stupidly easy and I could have it setup in under 10 minutes as long as I have the information required such as an address or PO Box and at least one "owner" to put the Corporation under. This would allow people who want to use the Corporation for facilitating GBs the ability to do so, and also give people who want to get into the GB some reassurance that their money won't be snatched away. This way also solves personal liability and personal tax issues as C-Corps do not flow to owner's personal tax returns as they instead pay the flat Corporate tax rate on any profit, which should ideally be nothing.
For this option, you pay a very small fee which covers fees related to the C-Corp but also gives you insurance, which could be in name only or could be actual liability insurance through a 3rd party covering GeekHack Buys Inc if people wanted it. Then the GB organizer simply transfers the money to the Corporation, which then pays whatever vendor they are running through, and that's all the Corporation would theoretically have to be involved. This also wouldn't have to be a requirement to run a GB on GeekHack as you could definitely run one yourself, but then you the buyer run the risk of what has now happened multiple times of people walking away with thousands and thousands of dollars.
I am just trying to find a solution to this problem and future unseen problems, because eventually someone is gonna get ****ed by the IRS running these and they are gonna get whacked with the tax bill because of it. If you guys want to keep gambling that great, but having personally dealt with the IRS and people who gamble on almost a daily basis, I can tell you this GB system is going to blow up eventually.
Incorporating isn't the issue; Managing and running it is.
The tax liability issues would still be there for the organizer if they're collecting funds to be transferred to the GB corp. Maybe I'm missing something (you're the tax guy), but that seems no different than transferring directly to the manufacturer from a tax perspective. If that's a potential issue, then collecting funds and transferring to GB corp would be as well. And if the goal is avoiding organizer mismanagement, there's still inherent risk in sending them the money in the first place.
Assuming the above is correct, GB corp would need to be involved in collecting payments. This has a ton of hidden costs: coordinating with the group buy organizer on pricing and verification (was the right amount sent?); managing and accounting for payments received from multiple simultaneous group buys; dealing with chargebacks (there will _always_ be chargebacks), which now could potentially affect entirely unrelated buys if an account is frozen. This begins to look more and more like a full-time job and business, as opposed to a simple shell corp.
I don't mean to be a naysayer, but the problems above aren't solved for in a weekend, but rather with serious investment by someone committed to it. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but it's not going to happen overnight, and I personally doubt its worth.
I think we've discussed most of this in this thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79164.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79164.msg2030460#msg2030460)I was thinking there was another thread but having a quick look I didn't find it.
And reached the same consensus that it just isn't worth it.
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:40:18
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:42:07
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
For this option, you pay a very small fee which covers fees related to the C-Corp but also gives you insurance, which could be in name only or could be actual liability insurance through a 3rd party covering GeekHack Buys Inc if people wanted it. Then the GB organizer simply transfers the money to the Corporation, which then pays whatever vendor they are running through, and that's all the Corporation would theoretically have to be involved. This also wouldn't have to be a requirement to run a GB on GeekHack as you could definitely run one yourself, but then you the buyer run the risk of what has now happened multiple times of people walking away with thousands and thousands of dollars.
You can even further improve the process with better segregation of duties. People in the group buy can send money to the corp with certain titles so they know which group buy it's from to avoid having the GB organizer be in contact with the money at all. Put all the data in the excel document and just match the GH name with the paypal title to see who has paid and who hasn't. Either way you'll still need to elect people trust worthy enough to run Geekhack. There are also fees involved with creating a corporation though it's not much.
Obviously that was not everything that would need to be involved as someone would need to reconcile the books as well as file the tax return, but fees involved with creating it would be nothing as I could set it up for free, and the entity could be up and running in less than a day if needed. I could also file the tax return if needed (but probably on extension, I've got enough **** to do during tax season as it is), but it would be best if the books were done outside of the GH community to prevent accusations of favoritism or any other things like that.
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:47:23
I still don't see why the idea of a GeekHack company isn't being pushed for by more people.
Because it would be a ton of work, and very few people are in the position to step up to the plate. It's much easier to offer that as a suggestion than it is for anyone to follow through with it.
How so? You create a C-Corp called, oh how about GeekHack Buys Inc, which GBs can have the option of running through. Creating a C-Corp is stupidly easy and I could have it setup in under 10 minutes as long as I have the information required such as an address or PO Box and at least one "owner" to put the Corporation under. This would allow people who want to use the Corporation for facilitating GBs the ability to do so, and also give people who want to get into the GB some reassurance that their money won't be snatched away. This way also solves personal liability and personal tax issues as C-Corps do not flow to owner's personal tax returns as they instead pay the flat Corporate tax rate on any profit, which should ideally be nothing.
For this option, you pay a very small fee which covers fees related to the C-Corp but also gives you insurance, which could be in name only or could be actual liability insurance through a 3rd party covering GeekHack Buys Inc if people wanted it. Then the GB organizer simply transfers the money to the Corporation, which then pays whatever vendor they are running through, and that's all the Corporation would theoretically have to be involved. This also wouldn't have to be a requirement to run a GB on GeekHack as you could definitely run one yourself, but then you the buyer run the risk of what has now happened multiple times of people walking away with thousands and thousands of dollars.
I am just trying to find a solution to this problem and future unseen problems, because eventually someone is gonna get ****ed by the IRS running these and they are gonna get whacked with the tax bill because of it. If you guys want to keep gambling that great, but having personally dealt with the IRS and people who gamble on almost a daily basis, I can tell you this GB system is going to blow up eventually.
Incorporating isn't the issue; Managing and running it is.
The tax liability issues would still be there for the organizer if they're collecting funds to be transferred to the GB corp. Maybe I'm missing something (you're the tax guy), but that seems no different than transferring directly to the manufacturer from a tax perspective. If that's a potential issue, then collecting funds and transferring to GB corp would be as well. And if the goal is avoiding organizer mismanagement, there's still inherent risk in sending them the money in the first place.
Assuming the above is correct, GB corp would need to be involved in collecting payments. This has a ton of hidden costs: coordinating with the group buy organizer on pricing and verification (was the right amount sent?); managing and accounting for payments received from multiple simultaneous group buys; dealing with chargebacks (there will _always_ be chargebacks), which now could potentially affect entirely unrelated buys if an account is frozen. This begins to look more and more like a full-time job and business, as opposed to a simple shell corp.
I don't mean to be a naysayer, but the problems above aren't solved for in a weekend, but rather with serious investment by someone committed to it. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but it's not going to happen overnight, and I personally doubt its worth.
I'm gonna respond to this and Spamray's post in the GB thread Bro Caps posted.
Post by: byker on Mon, 28 March 2016, 17:37:47
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 30 March 2016, 16:44:14
I was basically thinking "No need to worry, it's an Ivan GB! Why even bother with posts from impatient people."
Well, consider me shocked :(
After having participated in 10 of Ivan's previous (successful) GBs and now seeing this, makes me reconsider my whole attitude towards participating in community GBs. I have participated in over 50 GBs over the last few years at Geekhack and 95% went perfectly fine, but I guess it's just not worth it for me to "gamble" my money anymore.
I have way too much keyboards anyway and keysets that will last me a lifetime, so maybe I should just consider my collection to be good enough.
Really, really sad day for me :(
Post by: romevi on Wed, 30 March 2016, 17:18:03
Just caught up with this thread after I hadn't checked it for months.
I was basically thinking "No need to worry, it's an Ivan GB! Why even bother with posts from impatient people."
Well, consider me shocked :(
After having participated in 10 of Ivan's previous (successful) GBs and now seeing this, makes me reconsider my whole attitude towards participating in community GBs. I have participated in over 50 GBs over the last few years at Geekhack and 95% went perfectly fine, but I guess it's just not worth it for me to "gamble" my money anymore.
I have way too much keyboards anyway and keysets that will last me a lifetime, so maybe I should just consider my collection to be good enough.
Really, really sad day for me :(
Everybody laughs when someone thinks they've reached endgame. Looks like Ivan finally made a bunch people reach endgame.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 March 2016, 18:56:08
Well, consider me shocked :(
After having participated in 10 of Ivan's previous (successful) GBs and now seeing this, makes me reconsider my whole attitude towards participating in community GBs. I have participated in over 50 GBs over the last few years at Geekhack and 95% went perfectly fine, but I guess it's just not worth it for me to "gamble" my money anymore.
I have way too much keyboards anyway and keysets that will last me a lifetime, so maybe I should just consider my collection to be good enough.
Really, really sad day for me :(
It's the same everywhere now, Geekhack has now transpired into a real scam merchants paradise because they can get away with it. Fool everyone into waiting past the 180 day Paypal time limit and the deed is done real cheap.
They walk away with thousands in their pocket with no repercussions and what's worse they re-invent a new name here on GH and start all over again, in fact they could indeed create a lifetime of rip-offs from the gullible newbs here and make a good living out of it because this place will never punish them.
This place is now a haven for all sorts of Greedy Sh1tes and the Mods won't stop it ever. Good one geekhack, you officially excel in aiding the rip-off in scores of people, simply because you think you can avoid any possible future prosecutions. Either Geekhack creates strict Group Buy timelines within the 180 day limit or forget about GB's in general. Someone who is really pissed off with being scalped here on this place, could take measures in a federal court which funnily enough can happen quite easily now.
Risk legal repercussions or actually do something other than sit on your arses and read pointless complaints..........you're move GH.
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 31 March 2016, 11:17:08
This is like going off GB's cold turkey :))Just caught up with this thread after I hadn't checked it for months.
I was basically thinking "No need to worry, it's an Ivan GB! Why even bother with posts from impatient people."
Well, consider me shocked :(
After having participated in 10 of Ivan's previous (successful) GBs and now seeing this, makes me reconsider my whole attitude towards participating in community GBs. I have participated in over 50 GBs over the last few years at Geekhack and 95% went perfectly fine, but I guess it's just not worth it for me to "gamble" my money anymore.
I have way too much keyboards anyway and keysets that will last me a lifetime, so maybe I should just consider my collection to be good enough.
Really, really sad day for me :(
Everybody laughs when someone thinks they've reached endgame. Looks like Ivan finally made a bunch people reach endgame.
Post by: qwack on Thu, 31 March 2016, 20:14:19
Good one geekhack, you officially excel in aiding the rip-off in scores of people, simply because you think you can avoid any possible future prosecutions. Either Geekhack creates strict Group Buy timelines within the 180 day limit or forget about GB's in general. Someone who is really pissed off with being scalped here on this place, could take measures in a federal court which funnily enough can happen quite easily now.
Risk legal repercussions or actually do something other than sit on your arses and read pointless complaints..........you're move GH.
I'm no sure I get it. Are you really trying to shift the blame to GH? Aren't you one of those guys who slammed people who complained about Ivan's silence and asked for a refund a few months ago, calling them names for slowing down the GB and whatnot?
Not trying to heat things up, but after reading again pages 18 and 19 I did not expect you to be the one taking that stance.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 31 March 2016, 21:01:50
Good one geekhack, you officially excel in aiding the rip-off in scores of people, simply because you think you can avoid any possible future prosecutions. Either Geekhack creates strict Group Buy timelines within the 180 day limit or forget about GB's in general. Someone who is really pissed off with being scalped here on this place, could take measures in a federal court which funnily enough can happen quite easily now.
Risk legal repercussions or actually do something other than sit on your arses and read pointless complaints..........you're move GH.
I'm no sure I get it. Are you really trying to shift the blame to GH? Aren't you one of those guys who slammed people who complained about Ivan's silence and asked for a refund a few months ago, calling them names for slowing down the GB and whatnot?
Not trying to heat things up, but after reading again pages 18 and 19 I did not expect you to be the one taking that stance.
Elrick takes whatever the general mood of a thread is and cranks it up to 11. I've learned to mostly just tune it out and laugh it off at this point.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 April 2016, 02:31:31
Elrick takes whatever the general mood of a thread is and cranks it up to 11. I've learned to mostly just tune it out and laugh it off at this point.
Funny when the clowns all chime in, when they personally never lost over $460USD and give some advice to everyone else. Damn shame it doesn't hold much validity any more here especially now.
Ivan is now within the Druger and Kin25 category so that makes him the supreme thieving scum-bag here, for taking all our money. Fooled me the most and made me out as his prime b1tch for supporting this Group Buy which I now know is a complete farce.
He may never show up here like all the previous scam merchants since this is their type of behaviour and why should I stay quiet about it. Since all that anyone can do now is post here in this section, letting everyone else know what he has done just in case he deludes himself into thinking of ever running another Group Buy with forth coming noobs, that know nothing about what he has done thus far.
Don't forget he has shafted other people in other Group Buys here on Geekhack, hence I urge you all to go and look for yourselves to check out my claims here. Anyone keeping quiet and trying to convince everyone else here that nothing is wrong is basically deluded or under some monumental Ivan Trance which he has cast upon them, or maybe splitting the difference in the money stolen of us suckers, who originally believed in him.
Post by: Baddy126 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 09:00:08
Post by: digi on Fri, 01 April 2016, 09:01:53
Elrick takes whatever the general mood of a thread is and cranks it up to 11. I've learned to mostly just tune it out and laugh it off at this point.
Funny when the clowns all chime in, when they personally never lost over $460USD and give some advice to everyone else. Damn shame it doesn't hold much validity any more here especially now.
Ivan is now within the Druger and Kin25 category so that makes him the supreme thieving scum-bag here, for taking all our money. Fooled me the most and made me out as his prime b1tch for supporting this Group Buy which I now know is a complete farce.
He may never show up here like all the previous scam merchants since this is their type of behaviour and why should I stay quiet about it. Since all that anyone can do now is post here in this section, letting everyone else know what he has done just in case he deludes himself into thinking of ever running another Group Buy with forth coming noobs, that know nothing about what he has done thus far.
Don't forget he has shafted other people in other Group Buys here on Geekhack, hence I urge you all to go and look for yourselves to check out my claims here. Anyone keeping quiet and trying to convince everyone else here that nothing is wrong is basically deluded or under some monumental Ivan Trance which he has cast upon them, or maybe splitting the difference in the money stolen of us suckers, who originally believed in him.
GO IVAN & GO ELITEKEYBOARDS!!
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 April 2016, 19:34:16
My real concern after reading these pages is....When and how did geekhack turn into a place for little girls to bicker...
It's been EIGHT months since I made full payment on this Group Buy, hence the concern everyone has here as to what's happening?
Either you haven't given a single cent in this Group Buy, so your fake concerns are valid like Ivan's promises, which don't hold any value at all here on Geekhack now.
He walks away with our money with no comment whatsoever and we have felchers such as your good self, still camping out in his rear passage. Hope you enjoy the accommodation there sunshine :p .
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 April 2016, 19:35:47
My real concern after reading these pages is....When and how did geekhack turn into a place for little girls to bicker...
It's been EIGHT months since I made full payment on this Group Buy, hence the concern everyone has here as to what's happening?
Either you haven't given a single cent in this Group Buy, so your fake concerns are valid like Ivan's promises, which don't hold any value at all here on Geekhack now.
He walks away with our money with no comment whatsoever and we have felchers such as your good self, still camping out in his rear passage. Hope you enjoy the accommodation there sunshine :p .
Please direct your anger at the person that stole our money, not fellow forum-goers.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 April 2016, 20:03:46
Please direct your anger at the person that stole our money, not fellow forum-goers.
Duly noted but I really hate FELCHERS and will always hate them for what they truly are, here on GH.
Ivan broke Imsto's record on never commenting anything within his own Group Buy, yet even Imsto will let people know what's happening if there's a problem.
All Ivan's previous Group Buys he would say what's going on without fail even a couple months later but not now, it's like he's died but scam merchants don't die in real life. Only their fake identities change and become another NEW member that has joined Geekhack recently.
Blatant thieves and sh1tholes do that when money is involved so they think they can continue as usual. He only has a single choice here if he wants to ever come back on Geekhack and resume his identity again and that is too hand over all the money he stole from people, as soon as possible.
Post by: digi on Fri, 01 April 2016, 20:08:36
Please direct your anger at the person that stole our money, not fellow forum-goers.
Duly noted but I really hate FELCHERS and will always hate them for what they truly are, here on GH.
Ivan broke Imsto's record on never commenting anything within his own Group Buy, yet even Imsto will let people know what's happening if there's a problem.
All Ivan's previous Group Buys he would say what's going on without fail even a couple months later but not now, it's like he's died but scam merchants don't die in real life. Only their fake identities change and become another NEW member that has joined Geekhack recently.
Blatant thieves and sh1tholes do that when money is involved so they think they can continue as usual. He only has a single choice here if he wants to ever come back on Geekhack and resume his identity again and that is too hand over all the money he stole from people, as soon as possible.
I had to Google "felcher", I might use that one, thanks.
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 01 April 2016, 20:13:01
Duly noted but I really hate FELCHERS and will always hate them for what they truly are, here on GH.
hahahaha, not really an insult you hear everyday
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All Ivan's previous Group Buys he would say what's going on without fail even a couple months later but not now, it's like he's died but scam merchants don't die in real life. Only their fake identities change and become another NEW member that has joined Geekhack recently.
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Has anyone received any messages from Ivan since the whole debacle started? I don't mean any disrespect to Ivan, but how do we even know he's still alive? Imsto mentioned Ivan having undergone surgery, isn't it possible that there were complications?
Post by: Michael on Fri, 01 April 2016, 20:57:02
Good one geekhack, you officially excel in aiding the rip-off in scores of people, simply because you think you can avoid any possible future prosecutions. Either Geekhack creates strict Group Buy timelines within the 180 day limit or forget about GB's in general. Someone who is really pissed off with being scalped here on this place, could take measures in a federal court which funnily enough can happen quite easily now.
Risk legal repercussions or actually do something other than sit on your arses and read pointless complaints..........you're move GH.
I'm no sure I get it. Are you really trying to shift the blame to GH? Aren't you one of those guys who slammed people who complained about Ivan's silence and asked for a refund a few months ago, calling them names for slowing down the GB and whatnot?
Not trying to heat things up, but after reading again pages 18 and 19 I did not expect you to be the one taking that stance.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 April 2016, 23:29:49
Somehow they feel they have the right but unfortunately you don't, when the people who actually handed over money to this scam merchant have gone AWOL.
Please let us all know why the sh1tbags who haven't spent any money here for this key-set feel the need to waste everyone's time and space posting in this section?
Curious to know why you feel it's necessary too keep on defending Ivan at every level, when you obviously never put in a single cent?
Post by: Baddy126 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 23:39:36
The truly amazing thing here is why there are FELCHERS here posting in this section, who haven't put in a single cent within this Group BUY?
Somehow they feel they have the right but unfortunately you don't, when the people who actually handed over money to this scam merchant have gone AWOL.
Please let us all know why the sh1tbags who haven't spent any money here for this key-set feel the need to waste everyone's time and space posting in this section?
Curious to know why you feel it's necessary too keep on defending Ivan at every level, when you obviously never put in a single cent?
I just looked up the definition of felcher. You have quite the kinky fetish my good geekhacker!
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 April 2016, 23:42:03
Aren't you one of those guys who slammed people who complained about Ivan's silence and asked for a refund a few months ago, calling them names for slowing down the GB and whatnot?
You said it yourself sunshine, MONTHS AGO hence that is true, when it was months ago. This is now EIGHT months so the time to be patient is long gone.
What makes it worse now is there are absolutely no postings regarding the progress of this Group Buy other than unconfirmed bullsh1t from no bodies, saying there is no key-set being made to Ivan running away to SE Asia. So unless HE himself starts posting on here what's happening, then we are left to draw upon the WORST situations that look to have occurred.
Compare this lousy Group Buy to BunnyLake's effort's and it's like polar opposites in every respect. Bunny lets everyone know what's happening with the order's, their completion and then shipping when they arrive. He has a family which includes a baby and wife yet he finds time to communicate in all of his Group Buys personally with no lackeys in tow. In fact BunnyLake is super human compared to this scam merchant known as Ivan.
Why it it impossible for Ivan to say anything, whilst BunnyLake can do up to date postings in all of his Group Buys?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 April 2016, 23:44:09
You have quite the kinky fetish my good geekhacker!
It explains in detail who these people are......enough said 8) .
Post by: mesteris on Fri, 01 April 2016, 23:58:20
Post by: demsix on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:51:20
I've never seen such useless walls of text before.
I concur, what's left for this thread? I don't want to see it locked in case of any developments but this bickering is really not going anywhere.
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 02 April 2016, 02:18:23
Post by: MJ45 on Sat, 02 April 2016, 09:16:20
Post by: DanielT on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:11:21
Post by: qwack on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:58:05
Elrick takes whatever the general mood of a thread is and cranks it up to 11. I've learned to mostly just tune it out and laugh it off at this point.
Thanks for the tip, that clears a few things up :D
Post by: ideus on Sat, 02 April 2016, 15:54:35
Elrick takes whatever the general mood of a thread is and cranks it up to 11. I've learned to mostly just tune it out and laugh it off at this point.
Thanks for the tip, that clears a few things up :D
It does the same for a thread that a cheap amplifier with high distortion does for a music audio track.
Post by: maladroid on Sun, 03 April 2016, 22:14:00
Maybe somebody could use some of this to ease the pain from this "IVAN GROUPBUY SCAM" (Attachment Link)
I'm a bit perplexed by your flippant attitude. How much money would someone have to lose for you not to mock him when he complains? How blatantly would a GB organizer have to rip people off for you not to use scare quotes when describing what he did as a scam?
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 03 April 2016, 22:41:38
Maybe somebody could use some of this to ease the pain from this "IVAN GROUPBUY SCAM" (Attachment Link)
solid contribution dude
Post by: calvinhousecat on Mon, 04 April 2016, 00:06:01
Maybe somebody could use some of this to ease the pain from this "IVAN GROUPBUY SCAM" (Attachment Link)
Hahaha **** people for getting mad that they got scammed right? Am I right?!
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 04 April 2016, 03:27:56
Post by: tigersharkdude on Mon, 04 April 2016, 08:35:31
Maybe somebody could use some of this to ease the pain from this "IVAN GROUPBUY SCAM" (Attachment Link)
I wish for the fleas of 1,000 camels to infest your crotch and that your arms be too short to scratch.
Post by: MJ45 on Mon, 04 April 2016, 08:55:11
:)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :eek:Maybe somebody could use some of this to ease the pain from this "IVAN GROUPBUY SCAM" (Attachment Link)
I wish for the fleas of 1,000 camels to infest your crotch and that your arms be too short to scratch.
Post by: MaNiFeX on Mon, 04 April 2016, 13:38:06
I've never seen such useless walls of text before.
I concur, what's left for this thread? I don't want to see it locked in case of any developments but this bickering is really not going anywhere.
Here's my $180 vote to have the thread locked. It keeps bumping up, and I keep thinking there will be progress, but alas, I'm just sitting here using Zoidberg's cream on my butt.
Post by: byker on Mon, 04 April 2016, 13:41:56
Post by: rho0812 on Fri, 15 April 2016, 04:30:10
Did you seumyeon deductions through the mass drop.
Ivan's what you've done with our money ... I do not know if someday have a chance.
[redacted]
Mod edit: Tone it down
Post by: Willyc277 on Fri, 15 April 2016, 05:24:16
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Mod edit: Removed inappropriate material from quote
Post by: cozimkorean on Sat, 16 April 2016, 10:20:37
Post by: demsix on Sat, 16 April 2016, 10:34:24
The only thing left is to see if Ivan makes a comment, but he won't because he's a coward.
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 16 April 2016, 17:24:12
so whats the dealio atm
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Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 16 April 2016, 21:09:51
You need to be in the US to do this though
Post by: Karura on Sat, 16 April 2016, 21:14:32
We didn't want to lock it as people may have questions/updates on Paypal and such. However, lets try to keep this thread on topic shall we? Anymorezoidberguseless posts will be removed.
Hi everyone, relevant post:
<Mod Edit> ;)
Post by: yicaoyimu on Sat, 16 April 2016, 21:36:54
Post by: ideus on Sat, 16 April 2016, 21:45:53
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 16 April 2016, 22:17:08
It is darkly funny that some people are trying to sell a liability for "half the price" It would be even darker that someone jumps and pays to get a loss.
It's just as bad as taking money and bolting. Hopefully they're just joking about it to try and lighten the loss.
Mods should remove all posts like that and lock the thread.
For those just joining:
DO NOT TAKE OVER ANY GB SLOTS
People offering to sell their slot are just trying to recoup their loss on a GB that looks to have completely gone tits up and the GB runner has disappeared.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Sat, 16 April 2016, 23:00:07
For anybody that doesn't care to read the last few pages of this GB, don't take my last post seriously.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 17 April 2016, 04:33:50
People offering to sell their slot are just trying to recoup their loss on a GB that looks to have completely gone tits up and the GB runner has disappeared.
These type of PEOPLE are true 'sh1t-faces' for doing it.
Lost heaps of money on this turd-rustler known as Ivan but I would rather lose all my own money, than palm off this horrible key-set order, onto a gullible newbie.
Just not right and definitely not decent to ever do, here on Geekhack. Never stoop down to Ivan's level, when it comes to ripping off people where money is concerned.
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 17 April 2016, 06:08:43
For me it's clear, PayPal told me to put a cork on it, because I'm not going to see my miney after the 180 days limit, I'm an European so no luck in filling a report with IRS or simething in the line...
So, I'm forgeting about these money and this thread.
Post by: qwack on Sun, 17 April 2016, 07:07:35
And wasn't someone collecting info about this GB for whatever purpose (sending it to paypal, or any other relevant authority)? What happened to that?
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 17 April 2016, 07:20:42
Only caveat is I'll pay $1 for them
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:03:23