[IC] Fallacy - An Aluminum Alice Layout Board (Group Buy Date Announced)

[cdhoffmann]

Hope to see the price for this go down, especially if we have to provide our own PCB. Here is what the original Alice went for: "$463 for case + plate + weight + PCB (Pre-soldered with controller parts, LED's resistors, and diodess)". Cheers!

This includes a pcb.


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[lolafineday]

Feel like pcb should be optional addon, most have alice pcbs and configs already. And if they need they can just order off projectkb.

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[lolafineday]

Feel like pcb should be optional addon, most have alice pcbs and configs already. And if they need they can just order off projectkb.

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Actually I guess this pcb is unique so it might make sense to include.

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[Esheu2]

I just pre-ordered 2 of the "ALICE PCB REV2" (USB-C) and 1 POM plate and 1 fiberglass plate. Will your case fit any of those?

Plates, yes. PCB's no.

Let the haters hate, and the thread crappers spread their crap. Even with that, your ~50 units will be sold out in no time.

In for one, hoping to get 2.

Also, suggestion for the script for the bottom weight logo is attached.

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Bruh, just keep it to one

Limit 1 per person.

Hope to see the price for this go down, especially if we have to provide our own PCB. Here is what the original Alice went for: "$463 for case + plate + weight + PCB (Pre-soldered with controller parts, LED's resistors, and diodess)". Cheers!

The kit includes a PCB.

[KingOfMemes]

Hopefully the price is steep so I won't have to fight for 50 units.

[Mcnos]

Hopefully the price is steep so I won't have to fight for 50 units.

Let's fight anyway 

[Esheu2]

Hopefully the price is steep so I won't have to fight for 50 units.

Are you hinting that I should increase the pricing? I would be ok with that 

[switchnollie]

"Similarly, a typing height of over 20mm results in my wrists losing contact with my desk, forcing me to keep my hands floating."

SMH. Proper typing means your wrists should be floating. And for that reason, I'm out.

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aveyn is out huh. And for that reason, I'm in, nice kb chief

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[regionfree]

Hopefully the price is steep so I won't have to fight for 50 units.

Are you hinting that I should increase the pricing? I would be ok with that 

You should price this so what you get is worth your time and effort.

[NathanielGoodtimes]

Hopefully the price is steep so I won't have to fight for 50 units.

Are you hinting that I should increase the pricing? I would be ok with that 

You should price this so what you get is worth your time and effort.

Make it a bazillion dollars!!!

[MisterKnife]

I’m in

[DJ Shoko]

I’m in

In for a battle royale that is.

[Mekuno]

Can't wait to see more of the proto. Pink looks really nice.

[Poesjuh]

I’d say $400 range is already more than enough for a top mount board. Inflating the price just to create a luxury item only the rich can afford... ah well, my wallet will speak and do nothing I guess.


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[thearctican]

I’d say $400 range is already more than enough for a top mount board. Inflating the price just to create a luxury item only the rich can afford... ah well, my wallet will speak and do nothing I guess.


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What sort of mount would you prefer? Top mount is the best I've used. Most gasket boards are a joke, bottom mount isn't bad. Get a POM plate cut for it.

On the board itself: thank you for not making it polycarbonate. If I wanted a plastic board I'd buy a Realforce.

[lolafineday]

I’d say $400 range is already more than enough for a top mount board. Inflating the price just to create a luxury item only the rich can afford... ah well, my wallet will speak and do nothing I guess.


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What sort of mount would you prefer? Top mount is the best I've used. Most gasket boards are a joke, bottom mount isn't bad. Get a POM plate cut for it.

On the board itself: thank you for not making it polycarbonate. If I wanted a plastic board I'd buy a Realforce.

Dang plastic shaming... polycarbonate is epic plastic!

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[Esheu2]

Added manufacturer photos of the blue gray prototype to the main post!

[nickaster1]

The Fallacy

People were calling Alice clones "Falice". Sounded a lot like "Phallus" to me. Friend told me that wasn't a good idea. Fallacy it is.

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Features

• Top Mount
• Anodized 5052 Aluminum for the Top and Bottom Case
• Sandblasted Brass Weight
• 6.5 Degree Typing Angle
• 16.5mm Front Typing Height
• USB Mini port
• PCB Compatible With QMK
• PCB features flex cuts
• Brass weight spans the entirety of the alpha cluster
• Side cutouts for grip
• Pricing: most likely mid/low $400's (tentative estimate CAN CHANGE)

I chose to go with a relatively low typing angle at 6.5 degrees and front lip height of 16.5mm for my own comfort. I have found that my preferred range for typing angles is between 5 degrees and 7.5 degrees.
Any lower feels awkward. Any higher results in strain on my wrists. Similarly, a typing height of over 20mm results in my wrists losing contact with my desk, forcing me to keep my hands floating. I find this tiring so I made the typing height as low as possible.

Supported Layouts

Will have standard Alice supported layouts

• Split/normal backspace
• Split/normal right shift
• Stepped/normal capslock

Plate

The plate will be the standard 1.5mm thickness. It will be compatible with the standard Alice plate.
There will be a few choices for plate material:

• Aluminum
• Brass
• POM Plastic

PCB

• QMK Compatible
• USB Mini port
• Flex Cuts

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The board is also able to accept standard Alice PCBs if you already have those on hand.

Weight

• "Fallacy" engraving
• Sandblasted
• Internally secured by screws
• Alpha cluster has brass under it for acoustics

GIF of weight:https://i.imgur.com/yXv2Cm0.mp4

I enjoy patina so there will be no coating added. End users can apply a layer of wax or something if they would like to prevent patina from forming.

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Colors

• Black
• Silver
• Blue Gray
• Pink

FAQ

Q: Polycarbonate?
A: No.

More Information and Updates

Discord Server Invite: https://discord.gg/CxjYT58
Please join the Discord server and subscribe to the !fallacy role if you would like to get updates on the project as soon as possible

Prototypes are almost done already. I will provide updates when I get them in my hands.

Special Thanks

Choobies, Trifelife, Exfinite (Vov), and Warren for helping me prototype and giving me feedback.
Trifelife for designing the PCB.
Yuktsi for open sourcing his Alice files and giving me the okay to manufacture this keyboard.

That blue is so hot jeez

[Poesjuh]

I’d say $400 range is already more than enough for a top mount board. Inflating the price just to create a luxury item only the rich can afford... ah well, my wallet will speak and do nothing I guess.


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What sort of mount would you prefer? Top mount is the best I've used. Most gasket boards are a joke, bottom mount isn't bad. Get a POM plate cut for it.

On the board itself: thank you for not making it polycarbonate. If I wanted a plastic board I'd buy a Realforce.

O I'm not saying that top mount is bad by any means What I meant was that a topmount usually requires less material and a easier to manufacture plate. For that reason top mounts are usually a bit cheaper to manufacture than fancy gasket mounts with all sorts of extra stuff that comes with it.

[Esheu2]

I’d say $400 range is already more than enough for a top mount board. Inflating the price just to create a luxury item only the rich can afford... ah well, my wallet will speak and do nothing I guess.


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What sort of mount would you prefer? Top mount is the best I've used. Most gasket boards are a joke, bottom mount isn't bad. Get a POM plate cut for it.

On the board itself: thank you for not making it polycarbonate. If I wanted a plastic board I'd buy a Realforce.

O I'm not saying that top mount is bad by any means What I meant was that a topmount usually requires less material and a easier to manufacture plate. For that reason top mounts are usually a bit cheaper to manufacture than fancy gasket mounts with all sorts of extra stuff that comes with it.

Let me clear some things up:

• The price hiking was a joke. I'm not going to make the base cost higher than the $400's range.
• The plate mounting style does not significantly change any costs. This board was more expensive for me to prototype than another design of mine that utilized isolation gasket mounting. The main contributors to costs are machining time (usually proportional to size) and material.

[papayapyjamas]

cant join the discord channel.

[Esheu2]

cant join the discord channel.

Weird. The link was working for me. Posted a new one regardless. LMK if it still doesn't work!

[xchangmanx]

I'm behind this, but any chance on having a blank weight with no name?

[Esheu2]

I'm behind this, but any chance on having a blank weight with no name?

I have to admit that I am very hesitant to remove the engraving despite people expressing their distaste for it. I personally (and obviously there's a lot of bias to it) really like it and believe that it will look better in real life compared to the renders. So, I want to wait to receive the prototypes and take better pictures of the actual weight.
If people still dislike how it looks, then I will likely relent and just have a blank weight.

[kaisn]

I don't mind the engraving at all. However it's kinda bland imo

[VXQN]

I'm okay with the engraving as a concept, but I definitely think the script should be re-worked to flow a little bit better (especially the F).

[Thighs]

A custom engraving would be amazing. Take my money.

[p_blaze]

Are the colors final? It kills me that no boards i want are in purple anymore

[Esheu2]

Are the colors final? It kills me that no boards i want are in purple anymore

Yes the colors are final.

[jimboytacos]

Is there a TBD date for launch? Or will this information all be shared on Discord first?

[Esheu2]

Is there a TBD date for launch? Or will this information all be shared on Discord first?

No date yet. GB launch date should be decided before the New Year.

[Esheu2]

I have received the prototype units. Pictures have been added to the main post. Will hopefully have somebody else with a better camera than I do take pictures and a typing test for me soon-ish.

[neojonathan]

I love the pink color !!!

[vaughno]

If the funds are right then I'll probably get in on the pink one 

[KingOfMemes]

will there be limited stock? Or will this be an unlimited buy

[nickaster1]

will there be limited stock? Or will this be an unlimited buy

I don’t see why this will be unlimited. He’ll prolly keep it down to a manageable size so nothing goes out of hand

[KingOfMemes]

will there be limited stock? Or will this be an unlimited buy

I don’t see why this will be unlimited. He’ll prolly keep it down to a manageable size so nothing goes out of hand

Nice, I've been thirsting for a good race :smiling_imp:

[Esheu2]

will there be limited stock? Or will this be an unlimited buy

Limited. ~50 units or so plus extras that will be sold off after everything is done.

[KingOfMemes]

will there be limited stock? Or will this be an unlimited buy

Limited. ~50 units or so plus extras that will be sold off after everything is done.

Bless up, thanks.

[Esheu2]

Hey guys! Please fill it out if you're interested. I'd like to gather some data and feedback.
Interest Check Form: https://forms.gle/9dJJL3cx34cppmsu7

[Solotov]

So, there are only 2 options for weight engraving: current design and blank?
Would prefer some engraving over blank. Any chance for an alternative design?

[lolafineday]

Blank would look hot asf, just look at the rukia weight!

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[swangful]

i think the weight just needs a better logo. having the word fallacy isnt the problem IMO, its just the font/logo.

[sarsaparillagorilla]

1000% interested can't wait loved but never got the chance to get the Alice and this could be a more than adequate alternative

[Esheu2]

i think the weight just needs a better logo. having the word fallacy isnt the problem IMO, its just the font/logo.

From what I have gathered, it seems like the controversial part of the engraving is the letter "F".
The issue is that this is the only cursive script font I've found that I felt tastefully did the letter "F" (imo) while keeping everything easily machinable.

[swangful]

i think the weight just needs a better logo. having the word fallacy isnt the problem IMO, its just the font/logo.

From what I have gathered, it seems like the controversial part of the engraving is the letter "F".
The issue is that this is the only cursive script font I've found that I felt tastefully did the letter "F" (imo) while keeping everything easily machinable.

thats fair, i didnt think about keeping things machinable. i saw the suggestion of the backward F like fender, seems like a neat idea. personally, the logo isn't a deal breaker for me. looks good with or without 

[yui_]

cad files for the weight should be released, so that i can get a custom weight with phallus on it.
looks great though !

[JJ]

A custom engraving would be amazing. Take my money.

+1 for custom engraving for the weight. It makes it a custom and unique piece.

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[KingOfMemes]

A custom engraving would be amazing. Take my money.

+1 for custom engraving for the weight. It makes it a custom and unique piece.

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I, too, would be down for a custom engraving of a Phallus on my weight

[Esheu2]

Group Buy Date: January 25th, 2020. 5PM PST.

Price (not inclusive of any shipping or fees):
$420 for top + bottom + weight + PCB + POM/Alu plate (+$15 for brass)
$50 for additional PCB
$30 for additional POM or Aluminum plate
$45 for additional Brass plate