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Title: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: amarshonarbangla on Fri, 23 November 2012, 14:10:51
I hear it's build quality. What exactly is wrong with its build quality? Is there anything else that makes it a bad keyboard?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: wetto on Fri, 23 November 2012, 14:25:24
- Build quality
- Low quality keycaps
- Low quality printing
- Macro-keys (yes, people hate those because when you don't use them, they waste space and you may even hit a macro while trying to press CTRL or SHIFT)
- Overhyped, Razer's marketing and their fanboys even say that it's better than FILCOs and others.
- Razer's fanboy's minds and the fact that many are unable to accept the fact that it's not a good keyboard for the price.
- Cherry MX Blue on a gaming keyboard.
- USB HUB at the right, which means, when you put a USB stick to it, it'll be a bother for your mouse. That's a damn retarded design.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Octane on Fri, 23 November 2012, 14:34:50
IMO Razer products just scream "gimmicky". Their marketing seems to target young kids who are awestruck by flashing lights and fancy fonts. I have never bought a Razer product and don't plan to.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: amarshonarbangla on Fri, 23 November 2012, 14:38:28
What exactly is "low" about their build quality?

Don't they use ABS key caps?

From the reviews I have seen online, no one seemed to complain about gaming with MX Blues. In fact, they loved it.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 23 November 2012, 14:44:13
I think switch is and always will be preference, I prefer gaming on blues for various reasons but mainly because it feels good man
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ih8 on Fri, 23 November 2012, 15:17:30
As far as gaming goes the switch preference depends on the game....I used to play sc2 and now only really play LoL. When it comes to other games such as FPS I'd opt for a different switch.

The BW is made by iOne, which isn't favored by the well informed keyboard community due to their quality control. The BW feels cheap by comparison a "good" similarly priced board. The plastic is probably ABS but to me they feel thinner than the ABS used by CM. It felt like a fragile feeling when I typed on my friends.  The casing feels flimsy and is glossed to all hell which contrary to how it looks on the Das, looks like **** on the BW. Their gawdy attempt to GaMeRiZe everything also is a cosmetic turn off in my opinion, particularly that epeen infused logo that is always a focal point.

You're essentially paying a premium for a name, of which is not credible in the keyboard world, and therefore makes no sense

I'm not the biggest fan of back lighting either but if I wanted to get it I would purchase other brands with better known QC.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: wetto on Fri, 23 November 2012, 15:27:16
Glossy finish is a retarded idea, no matter which keyboard. Besides the USBs on the right side, it's the only complaint I have about my Das.

Glossy may look good, until you notice you spend too much time cleaning fingerprints and until it gets scratched.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: LollyWater on Fri, 23 November 2012, 15:33:17
Razors products are just crap in general. I own a Razor mouse, mousepad and am currently typing on a Razor keyboard. I payed about $110 for this non-mechanical turd.

The mouse was about $60 so I can except that they weren't making it seem like they went all out but even so. Look at the specs of any Razor product then look at their competitors specs then compare the price if both products. Razor is not a company that cares, they're a company that is here to make serious profit. Having said that, should you blame Razor if you buy their crap? No.

If you are going to drop a bit of cash you need to do your research. There's no point blaming Razor. If there's money to be made at a low price as you've seen in the keyboard market in general then someone is going to do it cheaper. They're not exploiting gamers either because at the end of the day, if you're willing to buy Razor than the specs don't really matter to you anyway. Razor is all about image and if that's all you're looking for in gaming equipment then you won't be unhappy with your purchase.

The reason I love people on Geekhack is because they know what they want. Everyone is so obsessive and invested. People really care here. I've learn that you can't rush into to buying anything you think you'll still care (good or bad) about in the next few years. Funny hat? Go for it! Keyboard you'll be typing and gaming on for some (if not most) of every day for years to come. Research dat ****, YA HEAR!
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: amarshonarbangla on Fri, 23 November 2012, 15:39:29
I will never buy a Razer product. Just wanting to know the specifics as to what's bad about them ^_^

Ordered a Ducky Shine II yesterday, my first mechanical keyboard. So excited :D
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Binge on Fri, 23 November 2012, 15:39:51
Mech boards have more to them than just switches.  There are a lot of parts that go into these wonderful instruments.  One of my friends who ranks in SCII and LOL will get asked where he got his keyboard... it's a FILCO TKL with a custom WASD keycap set.  No special (although we know better) branding or flashy name that makes him a better gamer, but instead actual quality.  Razer's time of just offering what other companies don't offer is over.  They need to pick where they want to sit in the market and stop riding off of brand recognition.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: vun on Fri, 23 November 2012, 15:55:03
Razors products are just crap in general. I own a Razor mouse, mousepad and am currently typing on a Razor keyboard. I payed about $110 for this non-mechanical turd.
How can you own 3 of their products and still get the spelling wrong? O.o

Also; most Razer stuff is pretty bad and overpriced, but I don't think they get enough cred for their mice. Most of them look fairly sleek and they're pretty decent for the price. I could go into detail here but I won't, although I speak from personal experience here.
Their DA is even one of the few mice on the market with a "perfect" sensor, if you're into that sort of thing. A lot of the flak they get for the sensors is somewhat over-hyped as the average gamer mostly won't notice it.

However; if you buy anything other than their mice you're boned as their other products are all inferior to their competitors. Can't say all that much about their pads though as the only one I've tried is the Sphex, which I wouldn't recommend, but I've seen the Goliathus get some love and would be interested in having one myself.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: wetto on Fri, 23 November 2012, 16:13:26
Razors products are just crap in general. I own a Razor mouse, mousepad and am currently typing on a Razor keyboard. I payed about $110 for this non-mechanical turd.
How can you own 3 of their products and still get the spelling wrong? O.o

Also; most Razer stuff is pretty bad and overpriced, but I don't think they get enough cred for their mice. Most of them look fairly sleek and they're pretty decent for the price. I could go into detail here but I won't, although I speak from personal experience here.
Their DA is even one of the few mice on the market with a "perfect" sensor, if you're into that sort of thing. A lot of the flak they get for the sensors is somewhat over-hyped as the average gamer mostly won't notice it.

However; if you buy anything other than their mice you're boned as their other products are all inferior to their competitors. Can't say all that much about their pads though as the only one I've tried is the Sphex, which I wouldn't recommend, but I've seen the Goliathus get some love and would be interested in having one myself.

And the irony of the thing, is that the Razer Deathadder's "upgrade" according to Razer, which is more expensive than it, has more DPI (which means that it's better, according to their marketing) and has DPI buttons and other stuff, is the Razer Imperator. Then, there's the Wireless mouse based on the Deathadder, Razer Mamba.

Now, we all know both of them are hated by gamers and non-gamers for having one of the worst laser sensors on history of mankind, Philips Twin Eye and are both overpriced pieces of crap.  Kinda ironic, isn't it? The DA is better than most of the other mice, even being cheaper.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: vun on Fri, 23 November 2012, 16:31:00
Razors products are just crap in general. I own a Razor mouse, mousepad and am currently typing on a Razor keyboard. I payed about $110 for this non-mechanical turd.
How can you own 3 of their products and still get the spelling wrong? O.o

Also; most Razer stuff is pretty bad and overpriced, but I don't think they get enough cred for their mice. Most of them look fairly sleek and they're pretty decent for the price. I could go into detail here but I won't, although I speak from personal experience here.
Their DA is even one of the few mice on the market with a "perfect" sensor, if you're into that sort of thing. A lot of the flak they get for the sensors is somewhat over-hyped as the average gamer mostly won't notice it.

However; if you buy anything other than their mice you're boned as their other products are all inferior to their competitors. Can't say all that much about their pads though as the only one I've tried is the Sphex, which I wouldn't recommend, but I've seen the Goliathus get some love and would be interested in having one myself.

And the irony of the thing, is that the Razer Deathadder's "upgrade" according to Razer, which is more expensive than it, has more DPI (which means that it's better, according to their marketing) and has DPI buttons and other stuff, is the Razer Imperator. Then, there's the Wireless mouse based on the Deathadder, Razer Mamba.

Now, we all know both of them are hated by gamers and non-gamers for having one of the worst laser sensors on history of mankind, Philips Twin Eye and are both overpriced pieces of crap.  Kinda ironic, isn't it? The DA is better than most of the other mice, even being cheaper.
True, the Mamba is not worth your money, it is the only mouse I actually regret buying and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
Although I can't say the sensor bothers me, I believe the RAT7 also has the same sensor, and the only issue with the sensor so far is that it's over-sensitive to dust. There might be a minute difference, and if there is then I would say it's the worst I've tried so far, but not in any way I've noticed so far. Even so, I would still prefer another sensor and don't approve of the fact that they put the damn thing in almost all of their new mice. Just like the Synapse BS.

The Imperator I've never managed to place in my mental universe of mice, it's like a mouse that's just there.
The DA 2013, on the other hand, has what might be the perfect body for me, as what I can't stand about the DA is the shiny plastic, but they've messed with the sensor, which is.. Idunno, they had all the ingredients for a fantastic mouse and they ballsed it up. I'll probably still get one though >_>
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rootwyrm on Fri, 23 November 2012, 16:38:00
Why is Razer hated?
Because they deserve it.

They are 100% gimmick, marketing, and outright lies. Their keyboards are built with the cheapest plastic and keycaps they could possibly find, but they charge ridiculous prices. They outright lie about things like 'gold plated USB makes it better' and so on. Their customer service is worse than nonexistent; go ahead, try and get them to replace something under warranty. Lots of people who will tell you just how worthless that warranty actually is.
It's not that Razer's always been utter crap - I have a Barracuda 3G which is still working perfectly and actually a great mouse. Which is kind of my point here - you couldn't pay me enough to use any of their current mice. The sensors are garbage and the quality is nonexistent. Yes, I want a 12 button mouse when the whole button assembly wobbles right out of the box. That's some serious quality for ya, oh yeah.

Basically, Razer is a marketing company built around the business strategy of fooling customers into becoming fanbois so they keep buying the product based on name alone, even as every last shred of quality is stripped from it.

Oh, and then there's the whole issue with the mandatory spyware installation that they claim is a driver. (http://www.overclock.net/t/1319323/razer-synapse-2-0-software-mouse-unusable-if-you-dont-have-an-internet-connection-or-their-servers-are-down)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Fri, 23 November 2012, 16:38:55
You can always read old threads and looks stuff up on youtybe google etc.

But to put it simply mine broke on me.

I am tired to talk about razer. It is always the smae thing. Some people hate them and others defend them and wonder why people hate them. Everyone is different. If I got a razer for free I woulndt complain but as far as keyboards go there are soooooo many options. Why narrow your options to one brand or lighting color.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Lu_e on Fri, 23 November 2012, 16:43:16
Warped keyboards (the whole thing bows up under the spacebar) & stabilizers thinner than paperclips. 2KRO until the new model came out

They recommend you never remove keycaps, that alone should be enough.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: wetto on Fri, 23 November 2012, 16:47:25
You can always read old threads and looks stuff up on youtybe google etc.

But to put it simply mine broke on me.

I am tired to talk about razer. It is always the smae thing. Some people hate them and others defend them and wonder why people hate them. Everyone is different. If I got a razer for free I woulndt complain but as far as keyboards go there are soooooo many options. Why narrow your options to one brand or lighting color.

Because idiots want to buy an entire set of keyboard/headset/mousepad from the same brand and brag about it putting them on their signature on forums or buy stuff that has the same color as their desktop computer's lights.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: firebt on Fri, 23 November 2012, 16:59:46
I will never buy a Razer product. Just wanting to know the specifics as to what's bad about them ^_^

Ordered a Ducky Shine II yesterday, my first mechanical keyboard. So excited :D

Awww yea buddy! (typing on one right now :))

On the other hand Razer keyboards are considered bad.  Blues are sometimes bad for game because they don't register double taps fast enough (which is important in Dota and stuff if you wanna auto use some items).  They are just not built that well and all that stuff that Wetto said above is pretty much +1 on that all the way lol.

Razer mouses are chill though.  I really like the Deathadder, I have the 3g version with the supposed better sensor.  I like the fact that you can set the polling rate, acceleration and some other stuff, and it works really well with all my games including Counter Strike.  Plus I don't need crazy buttons and I love the way you can set all the macros for the mouse.  It's not bad, but the keyboard is meh...their headphones are meh too.  I only like Razer's mice and their pads.

Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 23 November 2012, 17:44:16
Someone once posted photos of an iOne PCB and another (non-iOne) PCB.  The iOne PCB looked like I made it.  The other one looked professionally made.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: wetto on Fri, 23 November 2012, 17:53:08
Someone once posted photos of an iOne PCB and another (non-iOne) PCB.  The iOne PCB looked like I made it.  The other one looked professionally made.

It wasn't the PCB, but the controller.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-907hS44N2tM/UBhkqanWu4I/AAAAAAAABdA/Q4-L-lav5CA/IMG_2637.JPG?imgmax=2500)

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q269/damutation/Razer%20Blackwidow%20Review/RazerBlackwidowUltimateReview-110.jpg)


Guess which one is Razer Blackwidow's.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Neo.X on Fri, 23 November 2012, 18:00:38
I own couple of Razer's mouses, they are OK in general. I do love Naga and Mamba.
For the keyboard, I have a BWU, it's terrible compare to my Filco. But after adding some o-ring and some PBT keycaps, it's OK to type on.

BTW, I tried 2013 version of BW in store, it actually feels beeter than pervious version.  :) :) But for the price tag, I will still pick up a Filco of Ducky.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ValerieV on Fri, 23 November 2012, 19:59:59
I tried to sell my Razer Tournament Edition keyboard on Ebay and i couldn't give that baby away.  :mad:
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ShortStock on Tue, 27 November 2012, 13:30:23
it is a similar case with Beats headphones.  While they are good quality,   the price premium you pay for the brand is not worth it because there are too many other products out there that perform better.  all the "hate" that Razer gets here is due to the fact that the geekhack community knows to look deeper into the product that most consumers will ever care about.  some people just want the most out of their hard earned money.  most people would care less

it is a case of marketing and hype on the products.   there is nothing wrong with doing this.  we do live in a capitalist economy



my sc2 buddy's set up looks like he got sponsored by razer.  mouse, keyboard, mousepad, headset, cable management system, underwear.  its crazy how razer has made a following out of some people


me??  i prefer to game using not so flashy gear.  rosewill mech keyboard and a g9x on a steelseries clothe mousepad.

Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Malerik on Tue, 27 November 2012, 13:54:21
I liked the blue switches in the BW Ultimate but I hate that rubberized coating Razer and Logitech use on seemingly everything. Once it starts to go I can't deal with it anymore. Just bought a Ducky DK9008G2 with MX Greens, we will see how that stands up against my current favourite, Unicomp Spacesaver. As for Razer mice, its all the swoopy designs that turn me off personally. I went in for the marketing on the Steelseries Xai, but it has actually turned out to be a real solid performer. No frills just does the job I ask it to.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 27 November 2012, 14:11:30
it is a case of marketing and hype on the products.   there is nothing wrong with doing this.  we do live in a capitalist economy
Ummm... actually... nevermind.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 27 November 2012, 14:28:59
The last great mouse they made was the DeathAdder (we'll see how this 2013 model holds up). The Imperator wasn't horrible, but all in all, most of their QC has gone to the sh**ter. There's nothing wrong with branding, and marketing and hype, as long as it holds up. Which it doesn't most of the time in Razer's case.

I'll tell you what was a good mouse: The Diamondback. That thing rocked.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: vun on Tue, 27 November 2012, 14:58:26
The last great mouse they made was the DeathAdder (we'll see how this 2013 model holds up). The Imperator wasn't horrible, but all in all, most of their QC has gone to the sh**ter. There's nothing wrong with branding, and marketing and hype, as long as it holds up. Which it doesn't most of the time in Razer's case.

I'll tell you what was a good mouse: The Diamondback. That thing rocked.
I'm guessing the new DA is going to disappoint quite a few people, although I'm loving what they did with the  body; no more shiny plastic crap.
Sadly I wasn't able to get a Diamondback before they disappeared. Almost bought a used Copperhead, but couldn't really justify it at the time.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Ninjerk on Sat, 11 May 2013, 02:36:26
I've been using a black widow regular for the past year, and its not horrible but I would not recommend buying one. Dell gave me mine for free so thats how I got it.

The macro keys do get in my way and ruin the ergonomics. I like the blue switches for gaming but the keycaps stink.

I think if I had to buy one, I would go for a board without macro or ten keys.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 11 May 2013, 05:51:35
I think if I had to buy one, I would go for a board without macro or ten keys.

^ Welcome to GH. This is generally how it is around here.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 11 May 2013, 06:57:58
You can replace the keycaps, but not the macro keys.

And have you tried other switch types for gaming?I like blues for gaming, but I prefer blacks.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: berserkfan on Sat, 11 May 2013, 07:45:20
Let me issue the following statements, all of which are true despite their apparent contradiction:

I love my Razer Black Widow.

I use it every day.

I can’t stand not using it.

It occupies a permanent place on my desk.

The body is always nice and shiny and I like that.

I think Razer keyboards suck.

They are damn fingerprint magnets.

I only want to use Buckling Springs.

I do all my typing on Buckling Springs unless I feel like a change.

When I feel like a change, I take out other keyboards.

My Razer keyboard is not for typing.

I will leave my dear fellow Geekhackers to figure out what I mean. Don’t worry, I’ll provide an answer everyone can accept!
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Melvang on Sat, 11 May 2013, 08:05:40
While I do own 3 Razer products (Naga Epic, Orbweaver, and mousepad)  I will probably never own a fullsize keyboard from them.  I like my Das with browns to much to give that up except for when I get my Phantom put together.  While I do enjoy the hardware setup on my Orbweaver and Naga, I am not a big fan of their drivers and Synapse requirement.  Although the LED color adjustment is kind of cool but I don't find myself changing it very often.  I only changed it twice.  Once when I replaced my Nostromo with the Orbweaver (stock LEDs green) and once after i changed the LED's to blue.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blue_Moon on Sat, 11 May 2013, 08:49:36
My first mechanical keyboard was a Razer BlackWidow. I sold it because it was too long. These days I only like the 60% form factor, because it's symmetrical. I also play with a Nostromo on the left, so I want the mouse on the right, exactly where the keypad would be (even the tenkeyless are too long).

I didn't have a problem with the build quality. Design choices? Yes. The macro keys on the left bothered me, not because it had macro keys, but because they were on the left. For me, the furthest key in the upperleft needs to be the Esc key (I often hit the macro key instead).

I've read people around here saying how they love their Vortex Pure. I recently purchased one (typing on it right now) and it's one of the junkiest keyboards I've had the displeasure of typing on. So, I'll take people's opinions on Razer with a chunk of salt.

I recently purchased the OrbWeaver. It's build quality is excellent. I even agree with the Blue switches. But, I'm returning it, because the thumb stick is an abomination. I currently use a Nostromo and I use the dpad for modifier keys: ctrl, alt, shift. The problem with the OrbWeaver is that I can't tell which way I'm pressing. For example, if I think I'm pressing up, I might really be pressing diagonal. So, that's another design decision.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Melvang on Sat, 11 May 2013, 08:59:02
My first mechanical keyboard was a Razer BlackWidow. I sold it because it was too long. These days I only like the 60% form factor, because it's symmetrical. I also play with a Nostromo on the left, so I want the mouse on the right, exactly where the keypad would be (even the tenkeyless are too long).

I didn't have a problem with the build quality. Design choices? Yes. The macro keys on the left bothered me, not because it had macro keys, but because they were on the left. For me, the furthest key in the upperleft needs to be the Esc key (I often hit the macro key instead).

I've read people around here saying how they love their Vortex Pure. I recently purchased one (typing on it right now) and it's one of the junkiest keyboards I've had the displeasure of typing on. So, I'll take people's opinions on Razer with a chunk of salt.

I recently purchased the OrbWeaver. It's build quality is excellent. I even agree with the Blue switches. But, I'm returning it, because the thumb stick is an abomination. I currently use a Nostromo and I use the dpad for modifier keys: ctrl, alt, shift. The problem with the OrbWeaver is that I can't tell which way I'm pressing. For example, if I think I'm pressing up, I might really be pressing diagonal. So, that's another design decision.

I do have to agree with you 110% on the dpad bottoms on the Orbweaver.  I solved this issue by moving some of my kebinds around and just retrained some of my muscle memory.  I think a lot of the issue comes from the dpad on the Nostromo being so forgiving and the one on the Orbweaver  being the exact opposite.  I am starting to get used to it though.  I am forcing myself so I don't have to mod my Nostromo to MX switches.  Plus the Nostromo isn't seen by Synapse so no media key support.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Sat, 11 May 2013, 08:59:11
I think there are a number of reasons

-You pay a premium that seems unjustified given the production quality

-They have a lot of features people here generally do not appreciate

-While subjective, I imagine their look and styling are not appealing at all for the keyboard purists

-When it comes to basic functionality, and even the functionality gamers should care about, they are just on par or worse than some of the other available options (ignoring gimmicky features)

-They have very limited switch options, making them only interesting to those who just happen to prefer using that switch
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blue_Moon on Sat, 11 May 2013, 09:18:37
I do have to agree with you 110% on the dpad bottoms on the Orbweaver.  I solved this issue by moving some of my kebinds around and just retrained some of my muscle memory.  I think a lot of the issue comes from the dpad on the Nostromo being so forgiving and the one on the Orbweaver  being the exact opposite.  I am starting to get used to it though.  I am forcing myself so I don't have to mod my Nostromo to MX switches.  Plus the Nostromo isn't seen by Synapse so no media key support.

Wait, what? I use Synapse with my Nostromo.

(http://i.imgur.com/XBwNfn4.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: zoolzoo on Sat, 11 May 2013, 09:30:01
- Build quality
- Low quality keycaps
- Low quality printing
- Macro-keys (yes, people hate those because when you don't use them, they waste space and you may even hit a macro while trying to press CTRL or SHIFT)
- Overhyped, Razer's marketing and their fanboys even say that it's better than FILCOs and others.
- Razer's fanboy's minds and the fact that many are unable to accept the fact that it's not a good keyboard for the price.
- Cherry MX Blue on a gaming keyboard.
- USB HUB at the right, which means, when you put a USB stick to it, it'll be a bother for your mouse. That's a damn retarded design.

Nothing wrong with gaming on blues actually.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Melvang on Sat, 11 May 2013, 10:04:16
I do have to agree with you 110% on the dpad bottoms on the Orbweaver.  I solved this issue by moving some of my kebinds around and just retrained some of my muscle memory.  I think a lot of the issue comes from the dpad on the Nostromo being so forgiving and the one on the Orbweaver  being the exact opposite.  I am starting to get used to it though.  I am forcing myself so I don't have to mod my Nostromo to MX switches.  Plus the Nostromo isn't seen by Synapse so no media key support.

Wait, what? I use Synapse with my Nostromo.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XBwNfn4.jpg)


Which OS?  Mine has never shown up in Win 8.  I also don't think it ever did in 7 either.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: SmallFry on Sat, 11 May 2013, 10:08:42
Most people are also irked with Razer's advertising that tells half truths, which the commmunity takes as lies, since many of us know better. Also, Razer's quality is sub-par to many members' high expectations, especially when paying for such an expensive keyboard.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TreeSc2 on Sat, 11 May 2013, 10:13:07
I feel as if the blackwidow is like the walmart brand of mechanical keyboards. Not saying that walmart is bad (prices are great!) lol. BUT it seems more like a toy than anything else and childish.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blue_Moon on Sat, 11 May 2013, 19:40:58
Which OS?  Mine has never shown up in Win 8.  I also don't think it ever did in 7 either.

So much has happened, in such a short time.

Well, when I posted that screenshot, it was  a screenshot from Windows 8. I didn't have Synapse for the longest time, but I installed it when I tried an OrbWeaver (which I just sent back today), then I noticed that Nostromo shows up in Synapse too.

But Windows 8 Task Manager keeps crashing on me. So I tried to run a fresh Windows 7 install. But then my boot SSD wouldn't show up in my BIOS. And, well, it was the last straw (and secretly I really wanted an Apple keyboard), so

I can now confirm that the Nostromo also shows up in Synapse for Mac. ^_^ And I have a new Apple keyboard.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: 1391406 on Sat, 11 May 2013, 21:41:14
I bought a Razer Blackwidow about a year and a half ago for a family member. It didn't strike me as cheap on first impression. It actually feels fairly sturdy. I'm not a fan of the glossy coating, though, and yes, the key caps are a bit thin. I'm also not crazy about the placement of the macros or the futuristic font, either. However, the real issue is the price, in my opinion. If you can get your hands on one with a complete set of working switches, it's actually a decent keyboard. The one I bought a year and a half ago sees daily use and is still going strong. My chief complaints aren't really related to the quality of the board.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ValerieV on Sat, 11 May 2013, 21:54:44
I got both the Ultimate and the Tournament edition and i liked both of them. Most people who complain about the keyboard i heard complained about the keycaps. They didn't bother me though.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Rule16 on Sat, 11 May 2013, 23:07:06
I do have to agree with you 110% on the dpad bottoms on the Orbweaver.  I solved this issue by moving some of my kebinds around and just retrained some of my muscle memory.  I think a lot of the issue comes from the dpad on the Nostromo being so forgiving and the one on the Orbweaver  being the exact opposite.  I am starting to get used to it though.  I am forcing myself so I don't have to mod my Nostromo to MX switches.  Plus the Nostromo isn't seen by Synapse so no media key support.

Wait, what? I use Synapse with my Nostromo.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XBwNfn4.jpg)

Yay! Commercial spyware!
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: RickyJ on Sat, 11 May 2013, 23:18:39
I had to do some pcb trace repair on one after a friend spilled some beer on it. I laughed when I picked it up, as even my Leopold felt higher quality. He only got it because it was on sale cheap, so I let it slide.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 11 May 2013, 23:24:43
Stabilizers broke on mine.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tns on Sun, 12 May 2013, 05:27:05
wanted to know how GH feel about their mousepads? it's good right?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Sun, 12 May 2013, 05:40:58
Yeah, but overpriced and tacky looking.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: MJ45 on Sun, 12 May 2013, 09:15:35
My first modern mechanical keyboard was a Blackwidow Ultimate. They were on sale at BestBuy so I ordered one, upon delivery I used it and liked the cherry switches. After using OEM rubber dome keyboards I thought these mechanical keyboards are fantastic, and I could live with the funky font & gaudy glossy case. But after 4 or 5 hours of use it just went stone dead. I returned it and ordered another replacement. When the new one came I used it for a whole day and a half before it failed like the first one did. I brought it back and by then BestBuy had Das Keyboards on sale for $99.99 and ordered one instead of another Razer. At that time I realized Razer keyboards were garbage but mechanical keyboards can be a great thing as long as there not from Razer!
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Badwrench on Sun, 12 May 2013, 09:48:16
I think a big part of the hate on Razer is the perception that they are trying to pull off.  GH is not a gaming community.  We are a group of people (a pretty small one at that), that will take the time to research and scrutinize every little part of a keyboard.  Usually the buyer of a Razer keyboard is 10 to 15 years old and buys everything that has a flashy commercial or add.  They don't care that they could have bought a ducky or Filco for the same $$, they only care what their friends will think or that it mysteriously gave their game 10 more fps or doubled their kill to death ratio.  Honestly, @ $55, a Black widow is not a horrible start into mechanical boards (as long as it doesn't break right away  :)))

One nice thing to come out of this though is that for a select few, they noticed the difference in feel from their "gaming " rubber dome and went in search of better quality (ie: they found GH). 
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ksm123 on Sun, 12 May 2013, 10:26:10
Razer popularity among beginner mechanical keyboards enthusiasts  is not about its price of this item but about it availability.

You can usually go to a shop in your town, touch it pay cash and leave with new toy.

It is much harder to put your hands on Filco or Ducky.
In my case (I'm from Poland) it would mean getting it from UK (The Keyboard Co and their outrageous prices, not so cheap shipping and two currency conversions PLN (my account) -> EUR (credit card currency) -> GBP (shop currency) ),

So, yes, many of us do start with BlackWidow, and we learn better when we go deeper into this hobby.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Sun, 12 May 2013, 10:39:44
I have had a few Razer mice and really like them so I think the hate of them is a bit oTT, but my Blackwidow experience was that it was pretty hard to type properly on because of the placement of the macro keys.

It was my first mechanical; I bought it off Ebay because I wondered whether what people said about mechanical keys making a difference was true (I had read a few articles and the review of the partially mechanical Corsair boards interested me) and it was the cheapest way to find out. I much prefer the Filco and QFR I have acquired since  (both in terms of layout and feel) but as an entry to the keyboards I don't think its too bad though the retail price is quite high for what it is. People do like the brand name though - I got more for it when I sold it than I had paid for it! I wouldn't knock people finding their way to somewhere like this via a Blackwidow board.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Abacus1234 on Sun, 12 May 2013, 10:41:30
I personally think that the animus is a little too extreme. I have a 2013 model, non-backlit, and I really do think it is decent to type on. I am a web developer, so I actually use the macro keys to automate a few bits of code here and there which I use regularly. That feature is not lost on me. I probably wont buy many razer products in the future, but in the dozen or so that I have owned, I have never had any of them fail on me.  My first Filco died on me... So yeah. I just think the horrible reliability is overstated. I agree that the font on the Blackwidow is a freaking joke.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Rule16 on Sun, 12 May 2013, 11:28:06
wanted to know how GH feel about their mousepads? it's good right?
Only good mousepad I had from Razer was the Sphex... Its got great tracking and its a cool design that it sticks to the desk aswell... The only problem was the fact that it was too small when I switched to low sensitivity.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blue_Moon on Sun, 12 May 2013, 13:56:19
Yay! Commercial spyware!

I was pleased. When I switched from PC to Mac, I installed Synapse, logged in, and all my keybindings were there.  :p

My zero-to-WoW time was ridiculously short.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 12 May 2013, 14:28:15
Never had a Razer product die on me aside from a screwed up firmware upgrade on a DA 3.5 (which bricked the mouse.. but it wasn't my mouse so I'm not sure it counts). I just don't like the build of their keyboards. The stabilizers are flimsy, and I just can't stand the styling of the case. Gimme a Ducky/Filco straightforward case style any day of the week.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Sun, 12 May 2013, 22:43:24
I have that too. It really is just a sticky sheet of paper priced at 15 bucks. I like the feel of the goliathus but it splits and frays.

Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:04:02
I'd like to try a razer blackwidow....the one at walmart I saw had the arrow keys exposed and you could type on them and they felt very different than the blue switches in the coolers master tk i tried out.

But to speak to the topic, I think its just another keyboard that has went too far on the gimmick side of things.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tauburn on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:04:33
I like companies like razer and beats by dre. they allow me to clearly see who is too stupid to research before buying before i even meet them.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tauburn on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:05:35
I'd like to try a razer blackwidow....the one at walmart I saw had the arrow keys exposed and you could type on them and they felt very different than the blue switches in the coolers master tk i tried out.

But to speak to the topic, I think its just another keyboard that has went too far on the gimmick side of things.

i've tried my friend's blackwidow, it didnt feel bad, but the case is way too bulky and ugly. also the keycaps are like the qfr ones where they have intolerably ugly font
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:08:24
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tauburn on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:13:50
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

logitech isnt even an audio company. try something made by sony, sennheiser or beyerdynamic. theres others but yknow
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: linziyi on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:15:31
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

logitech isnt even an audio company. try something made by sony, sennheiser or beyerdynamic. theres others but yknow


Sennheiser FTW
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Sniping on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:49:35
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

logitech isnt even an audio company. try something made by sony, sennheiser or beyerdynamic. theres others but yknow

Sorry, but Sony, Sennheiser, and Beyer don't make IEMs on even the same level as Logitech. Their UE Customs are something that I'm pretty sure none of those companies offer AFAIK.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:53:35
(http://i.imgur.com/kzyeyVg.jpg)

people hate em enough to break em in half ;)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tauburn on Mon, 13 May 2013, 00:55:50
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

logitech isnt even an audio company. try something made by sony, sennheiser or beyerdynamic. theres others but yknow

Sorry, but Sony, Sennheiser, and Beyer don't make IEMs on even the same level as Logitech. Their UE Customs are something that I'm pretty sure none of those companies offer AFAIK.

i assumed he wasnt interested in spending more than 1000 on his headphones lol
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 13 May 2013, 02:06:00
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

Most of these are a fashion statement. Except beetz, they're a statement that their owner is a hipster/d-bag.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 13 May 2013, 03:18:50
I like sony earbuds. I own at least of the same ones and I should be upgrading them soon.
 Their ps3 headphones looks nice.
 I am waiting for the day they have wireless surround for my phone.
I do have an open back senhiser that I use at home and it is good.
 I am very surprised on how. Good Logitech headphones are. I would try their inline mic earbuds but I wouldnt drop 60 bucks for them. Not to many companies make okay sounding android earbuds.
Blue is my favorite color. And I would much rather wear a shiny blue and black lightweight Logitech headphone than studio monitor senhiser grey and black matte.


Being hipster is too mainstream.  I go mainstream so I can stand out.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Moomoo on Mon, 13 May 2013, 03:26:10
They suck major c**k, 2 months of using it 1 LED shat itself and ENTER key stopped working.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 13 May 2013, 03:34:41
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kzyeyVg.jpg)


people hate em enough to break em in half ;)

I have so much I could say from that photo... ill just leave one...
I hope this was sent into razer or something lol.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 13 May 2013, 03:46:26
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kzyeyVg.jpg)


people hate em enough to break em in half ;)

Wait, this isn't ergonomic tenting like on goldtouch/kinesis keyboards?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: inteli722 on Mon, 13 May 2013, 08:02:38
I think enough's been said here that I don't need to say anything.

This makes me particularly glad to have convinced someone to getting a Ducky Shine from getting a BWU. :D
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 13 May 2013, 10:45:15
I have so much I could say from that photo... ill just leave one...
I hope this was sent into razer or something lol.

lol idk what razer would do...it was a product of Rage

Wait, this isn't ergonomic tenting like on goldtouch/kinesis keyboards?

(http://i.imgur.com/sopFHHx.png)
does that look ergonomic? LOL
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 13 May 2013, 14:34:29
Well there goes the rageproof claims...
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tns on Mon, 13 May 2013, 18:02:19
beats fashionable design is way more than razer "fashionable" geeky stuff...
I would add that you don't have a lot of aluminum headsets... It more looks like an apple brand
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: admiralvorian on Tue, 14 May 2013, 11:20:02
Just my 2c

- I find the build quality alright but I've only had it for three months. Plate makes it feel very sturdy.
- Low quality keycaps - I don't expect amazing keycaps on a backlit board, at the same time they aren't bad enough for me to want to replace them
- Low quality printing - I have **** eyesight so I'll just concur by default
- Macro-keys I do not like, I press them on accident and they make the keyboard huge
- I don't pay attention to marketing and fanboys.
- It's priced too high. $99 or $109 would get them more buyers
- Cherry MX Blue on a gaming keyboard - this is my preferred switch for gaming. I've tried other switches but I'm very used to blues for gaming, greens for typing.
- USB HUB at the right - absolutely terrible


I thought I would defend the 2013 blackwidow but I ended up agreeing with everyone. I don't hate this keyboard but there are loads of better keyboards out there for the same / less money
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ctbear on Tue, 14 May 2013, 11:41:04
I don't own any Razer keyboards but the other products are actually quite decent. I have the original DA and Orochi and they are still holding up after 3+ years of heavy use. I also have the first revision of the Goliathus mousepad and despite signs of wear (after 2+ years), it is still performing perfectly.
As a heavy gamer (well, used to be), the only comparable gaming brand is Steelseries. Try to compare the cursor acceleration between Razer/Steelseries and other gaming mouses and you will see what I mean.
Quality is alright, not as terrible as people claim. It is quite overpriced though, probably because of the flashy things they add in.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rationull on Tue, 14 May 2013, 15:47:58
Let me issue the following statements, all of which are true despite their apparent contradiction:

I love my Razer Black Widow.

I use it every day.

I can’t stand not using it.

It occupies a permanent place on my desk.

The body is always nice and shiny and I like that.

I think Razer keyboards suck.

They are damn fingerprint magnets.

I only want to use Buckling Springs.

I do all my typing on Buckling Springs unless I feel like a change.

When I feel like a change, I take out other keyboards.

My Razer keyboard is not for typing.

I will leave my dear fellow Geekhackers to figure out what I mean. Don’t worry, I’ll provide an answer everyone can accept!

Maybe I'm being dense, but I'll bite. What's it for?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: dndlmx on Tue, 14 May 2013, 19:46:47
Gaymer products are mostly lol, but I do like my Razer mouse.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 14 May 2013, 19:51:07
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

logitech isnt even an audio company. try something made by sony, sennheiser or beyerdynamic. theres others but yknow

Sorry, but Sony, Sennheiser, and Beyer don't make IEMs on even the same level as Logitech. Their UE Customs are something that I'm pretty sure none of those companies offer AFAIK.

i assumed he wasnt interested in spending more than 1000 on his headphones lol

It's a little insulting if you say that Logitech isn't an audio company when you admit that most people can't even afford their high end stuff....Logitech definitely knows what they're doing.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 15 May 2013, 00:45:48
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

logitech isnt even an audio company. try something made by sony, sennheiser or beyerdynamic. theres others but yknow

Sorry, but Sony, Sennheiser, and Beyer don't make IEMs on even the same level as Logitech. Their UE Customs are something that I'm pretty sure none of those companies offer AFAIK.

i assumed he wasnt interested in spending more than 1000 on his headphones lol

It's a little insulting if you say that Logitech isn't an audio company when you admit that most people can't even afford their high end stuff....Logitech definitely knows what they're doing.

I would have to agree here.  I have the Z-5500 speaker set and have had them for many years now and they still sound just as good as the day i bought  them and they do get abused.  I have had them into the "Boost" section of the volume and they still work fine and sound good for my small very odd shaped living room.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 15 May 2013, 02:33:45
Logitech is Legit
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: WatchMaker on Wed, 15 May 2013, 04:17:08
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Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: davkol on Wed, 15 May 2013, 06:36:48
Beats is more of a fashion statement. I tried them side by side along with some bose soul skullcandy but the best one by far would be Logitech. Its also one of the cheapest.

logitech isnt even an audio company. try something made by sony, sennheiser or beyerdynamic. theres others but yknow

Sorry, but Sony, Sennheiser, and Beyer don't make IEMs on even the same level as Logitech. Their UE Customs are something that I'm pretty sure none of those companies offer AFAIK.

i assumed he wasnt interested in spending more than 1000 on his headphones lol

It's a little insulting if you say that Logitech isn't an audio company when you admit that most people can't even afford their high end stuff....Logitech definitely knows what they're doing.

Actually, some companies manage to make cheap low-quality stuff and hi-end top-notch products at the same time. Makes me wonder what's insulting about that.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 16 May 2013, 08:01:21
I would have to agree here.  I have the Z-5500 speaker set and have had them for many years now and they still sound just as good as the day i bought  them and they do get abused.  I have had them into the "Boost" section of the volume and they still work fine and sound good for my small very odd shaped living room.

Just wanted to say another Z-5500 user here.....I believe mine are around 7 years old....and still going strong!

On topic another reason razer gets a bad rap is I think they sometimes try too hard at marketing.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: 1391406 on Thu, 16 May 2013, 08:57:44
I've never been in a recording studio that used Logitech headphones or speakers for monitoring, however I've been in a few that used Sennheiser HD-280 Pro's.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ctbear on Thu, 16 May 2013, 10:37:43
I've never been in a recording studio that used Logitech headphones or speakers for monitoring, however I've been in a few that used Sennheiser HD-280 Pro's.

Maybe not Logitech itself, but Ultimate Ears is owned by Logitech.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: 1391406 on Thu, 16 May 2013, 11:33:38
I've never been in a recording studio that used Logitech headphones or speakers for monitoring, however I've been in a few that used Sennheiser HD-280 Pro's.

Maybe not Logitech itself, but Ultimate Ears is owned by Logitech.

Yes, although Ultimate Ears is a fairly niche product that requires a custom ear impression by an audiologist.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: mapple on Fri, 03 January 2014, 02:45:33
me personally hate razer for :
- bad quality of controllers of boards
- very bad quality of keycaps
- actuation force on razer blue cherry is different than on normal blue
- stupid marketing
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: zoolzoo on Fri, 03 January 2014, 04:36:44
- actuation force on razer blue cherry is different than on normal blue


source?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: jonjonjon on Fri, 03 January 2014, 09:08:36
i'm not a big fan of razer in general. the paint on my deathadder mouse started coming off in less then 6 months. i refuse to use synapsis 2.0 and they stopped updating the legacy drivers. i got it so cheap that at the time i couldn't pass it up but in hindsight wish i got something else.

razer stopped using on-board memory and instead makes you use their horrible synapse 2.0 software to save profiles and macros to the cloud. this was done so they could save money on memory regardless of what razer's marketing will tell you. exactly what i need an application that requires internet access for my mouse and/or keyboard. not to mention the original TOS said they would collect personally identifiable information and share it with third parties. not sure if that has been changed that but its still shady. steelseries can make a sensei with a 32 bit arm cpu and on-board memory for the same price if not less then razer. that should tell you something.

razer does have good marketing and i guess they know what people want because they seem to be the most popular gaming peripheral company.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 03 January 2014, 17:38:44
It is just over a year since this was originally posted - had Razor improved their keyboards at all?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 03 January 2014, 17:58:57
i can't speak for others............i have a 2012 bwu and i have read there have been improvements made to the 2013 version

the orig keycaps are awful, however since switching out to pbt that was my only complaint- of course i have went a little overboard, but i could care less as it is my resident vomit board :-\

everybody has got to have at least one ugly board

that all being said.........never had one issue, has treated me good so far- no complaints

being respectful of others, being here for awhile there are legit faults that people have experienced with their's, so i guess i am one of the lucky ones
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 03 January 2014, 19:27:02
i can't speak for others............i have a 2012 bwu and i have read there have been improvements made to the 2013 version

the orig keycaps are awful, however since switching out to pbt that was my only complaint- of course i have went a little overboard, but i could care less as it is my resident vomit board :-\

everybody has got to have at least one ugly board

that all being said.........never had one issue, has treated me good so far- no complaints

being respectful of others, being here for awhile there are legit faults that people have experienced with their's, so i guess i am one of the lucky ones

Some people do indeed not have any problems.  But it is generally only when there are problems that we get to hear about it.  Razor must sell thousands of these - presumably there are lots of people out there with no problems, quietly enjoying their keyboard.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: EvilOliv3 on Sat, 04 January 2014, 02:09:54
I owned the 2013 version for a year. Only problem I had was on the software end. The keyboard itself was great.

One thing I noticed
Unlike Ducky, Razer had the sense to arrange their letters directly above the keycap to give a even lighting.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img853/9978/o7uu.png)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blusey on Sat, 04 January 2014, 02:34:43
The BlackWidow Tournament Edition isn't actually bad, TKL, seems to be non back lit. Not sure about keycaps (Still new to this haha) but it does feel well built and quite nice when comparing it to my Ducky Shine 2 TKL. I've also used the MK85 QPAD, SS 7g and it's probably me second favorite. I think the Tournament Edition fixed the **** they ruined with the ultimate. Although when it comes to mice, DeathAdder is by far one of the top 3 mice ever made for gaming imo. Only two that come close is the EC1/EC2 and the Shogun Bro's Ballista Mk1. So Razer do actually produce some good products. Although all their headsets are ****.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 04 January 2014, 02:46:37
Razer...

Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: yasuo on Sat, 04 January 2014, 02:53:22
The BlackWidow Tournament Edition isn't actually bad, TKL, seems to be non back lit. Not sure about keycaps (Still new to this haha) but it does feel well built and quite nice when comparing it to my Ducky Shine 2 TKL. I've also used the MK85 QPAD, SS 7g and it's probably me second favorite. I think the Tournament Edition fixed the **** they ruined with the ultimate. Although when it comes to mice, DeathAdder is by far one of the top 3 mice ever made for gaming imo. Only two that come close is the EC1/EC2 and the Shogun Bro's Ballista Mk1. So Razer do actually produce some good products. Although all their headsets are ****.
I think so just tournament/TKL edition and silent edition (brown switches) not bad :D
Razer BW blue often broken, in my country have high rating RMA :))
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blusey on Sat, 04 January 2014, 02:58:03
The BlackWidow Tournament Edition isn't actually bad, TKL, seems to be non back lit. Not sure about keycaps (Still new to this haha) but it does feel well built and quite nice when comparing it to my Ducky Shine 2 TKL. I've also used the MK85 QPAD, SS 7g and it's probably me second favorite. I think the Tournament Edition fixed the **** they ruined with the ultimate. Although when it comes to mice, DeathAdder is by far one of the top 3 mice ever made for gaming imo. Only two that come close is the EC1/EC2 and the Shogun Bro's Ballista Mk1. So Razer do actually produce some good products. Although all their headsets are ****.
I think so just tournament/TKL edition and silent edition (brown switches) not bad :D
Razer BW blue often broken, in my country have high rating RMA :))
Maybe, I mean, I've worked with teams that were sponsored by Razer and I've managed teams that were sponsored by Razer, I've tried different keyboards from them such as the Anansi which quite honestly I found piss poor. The Tournament Edition which I recently bought on here from IMBH which was an awesome guy to trade with, but I'm loving my MX Blue one, just not using it as a main focus as I currently love my ducky too much. Also the more I type im slowly starting to think about changing switches from blues. So will see what other switches I may like. Tried blacks but not sure I like those too much. But yeah, the Tournament Edition is nice, the rest I find are ****/cosmetics mostly. Especially the one with a UI screen -.-
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: cherpalla on Sat, 04 January 2014, 08:54:44
I just want to chime in and say that literally everything I've ever owned that was made by Razer has fallen apart within a year. Mice, within 6 months, other than the Orochi, whose side buttons lasted 15 months before dying. I used to love their stuff because it was so darn pretty, and well, I'm female. I've come to hate their peripherals and never recommend anyone purchase something made by them. My last Naga died in 5 months, and when I picked it up after it failed, it sounded like a damn maraca. Razer will replace things, but at this point, I was ready to sever my relationship with them, so I took the thing apart and its insides were completely disassembled. From NORMAL use. The only thing I've ever thrown at the wall was my Corsair K90, and that thing is made of solid steel so it was fine. (don't blame me for my keyboard abuse, blame Diablo 3.) :3
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: demik on Sat, 04 January 2014, 15:12:21
I want a tournament edition. It's my guilty pleasure board :(
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 04 January 2014, 15:37:15
I want a tournament edition. It's my guilty pleasure board :(

pr0n board/ eroge board?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 04 January 2014, 16:25:24
The only thing I've ever thrown at the wall was my Corsair K90, and that thing is made of solid steel so it was fine. (don't blame me for my keyboard abuse, blame Diablo 3.) :3

Did the wall survive?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tuxsavvy on Sat, 04 January 2014, 18:01:43
I just want to chime in and say that literally everything I've ever owned that was made by Razer has fallen apart within a year. Mice, within 6 months, other than the Orochi, whose side buttons lasted 15 months before dying. I used to love their stuff because it was so darn pretty, and well, I'm female. I've come to hate their peripherals and never recommend anyone purchase something made by them. My last Naga died in 5 months, and when I picked it up after it failed, it sounded like a damn maraca. Razer will replace things, but at this point, I was ready to sever my relationship with them, so I took the thing apart and its insides were completely disassembled. From NORMAL use. The only thing I've ever thrown at the wall was my Corsair K90, and that thing is made of solid steel so it was fine. (don't blame me for my keyboard abuse, blame Diablo 3.) :3
I had a Razer diamondback mouse once, bought it several years ago when I noticed the mouse started playing up around a year or so. If it wasn't for random playing up it, it was the sides of the mouse started getting icky before sticky. Eventually I threw away the mouse not long ago.

At the time when I got the Razer diamondback mouse I got the (once) extra large mousepad known as Razer mantis control. The mousepad still works fine (or so it seems) apart from seeing ragged edges on the side of the mousepad. Ragged and worn the mousepad with a rubber sole that would leave a mark on the table if one were to apply excessive heat and pressure. Thankfully my table is mostly glass which means that cleaning off the mess that is left behind by a once stuck mousepad would not be hard. Nowadays the nicer mousepads are not using some sort of rubber underneath which won't glue to the table.

That said, I somewhat frown at the though of Razer products, my experience with their old mouse product makes me wonder would it be ever worth buying a mechanical keyboard for instance by them.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: zoolzoo on Sat, 04 January 2014, 19:31:41
their keyboards are fine, just corny. that really it bro. if you are a gh member step up ur ****in keyboard game.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: cherpalla on Sun, 05 January 2014, 13:50:50
I just want to chime in and say that literally everything I've ever owned that was made by Razer has fallen apart within a year. Mice, within 6 months, other than the Orochi, whose side buttons lasted 15 months before dying. I used to love their stuff because it was so darn pretty, and well, I'm female. I've come to hate their peripherals and never recommend anyone purchase something made by them. My last Naga died in 5 months, and when I picked it up after it failed, it sounded like a damn maraca. Razer will replace things, but at this point, I was ready to sever my relationship with them, so I took the thing apart and its insides were completely disassembled. From NORMAL use. The only thing I've ever thrown at the wall was my Corsair K90, and that thing is made of solid steel so it was fine. (don't blame me for my keyboard abuse, blame Diablo 3.) :3
I had a Razer diamondback mouse once, bought it several years ago when I noticed the mouse started playing up around a year or so. If it wasn't for random playing up it, it was the sides of the mouse started getting icky before sticky. Eventually I threw away the mouse not long ago.

At the time when I got the Razer diamondback mouse I got the (once) extra large mousepad known as Razer mantis control. The mousepad still works fine (or so it seems) apart from seeing ragged edges on the side of the mousepad. Ragged and worn the mousepad with a rubber sole that would leave a mark on the table if one were to apply excessive heat and pressure. Thankfully my table is mostly glass which means that cleaning off the mess that is left behind by a once stuck mousepad would not be hard. Nowadays the nicer mousepads are not using some sort of rubber underneath which won't glue to the table.

That said, I somewhat frown at the though of Razer products, my experience with their old mouse product makes me wonder would it be ever worth buying a mechanical keyboard for instance by them.

I feel like if their products were less expensive, I'd hate them less. I've had $10 mice/headsets that outlasted the crap I bought from Razer. If they brought their price points down to the quality, they'd be a fine product for a certain price range. They are just not at all worth the cost where they are at now. I have many friends who are sponsored by Razer and I turn down free peripherals pretty frequently. That's saying something.

The only thing I've ever thrown at the wall was my Corsair K90, and that thing is made of solid steel so it was fine. (don't blame me for my keyboard abuse, blame Diablo 3.) :3

Did the wall survive?

The keyboard won the fight, the wall was left with scuffs and a hole.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Hyde on Sun, 05 January 2014, 13:56:17
It is just over a year since this was originally posted - had Razor improved their keyboards at all?

I heard they switched their manufacturer for the Blackwidow 2013 line up.  So build quality is good now.  They also fixed their gloss finish to matte.

To be honest I've own various Razer products and never had an issue.  The only thing I don't like about Blackwidow is their macro key, otherwise I don't have anything against it.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Novus on Sun, 05 January 2014, 15:29:16
I spilled beer on my blackwidow and that's why I'm here today  :thumb:

Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 05 January 2014, 17:04:10
(http://i.imgur.com/YL4Dzfb.png)

Thank gods there are companies that make other than gaming peripherals.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: cherpalla on Sun, 05 January 2014, 17:41:04
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YL4Dzfb.png)


I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 05 January 2014, 18:28:32
I have a Razer BWU 2013 edition - the one with the green backlight - and frankly, I think it's a good board. People claimed that the key cap sucked but if I compared the key cap with the one from WASD Code, they are the same. I guess all backlit key board have to have a key cap that is coated and laser off the print for the backlit to shine through the alphabets. The green backlit is evenly lit and is attractive, to be honest. Sure, the additional 5 macro keys on the left column is gimmicky but it's not that bad, really as it's just one column of keys and they used the same size key caps, unlike some which uses smaller caps making it feel like an after thought. This keyboard is also matte instead of glossy, which is a great improvements - at least the listen to their customers, unlike Das, which still refused to move away from glossy keyboard.

The BWU is very heavy. There was one tear-down post I read and the reviewer was impressed at the quality of the metal plate they used and how they have firmly secured the cables to the plate. I'll see if I can find the post if anyone is interested.

So, I am not sure why the negativity Razer BWU is getting if Das and Code was acceptable to many. I think their popularity was the bane. People just hates successful companies (e.g. Microsoft.. ) ha ha ha..
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 07 January 2014, 00:50:08
How many people bought this?
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/adehu3ys.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:34:36
How many people bought this?
Show Image
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/adehu3ys.jpg)


Themed keyboards are so cute :)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: yasuo on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:36:21
 :)) :))
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:46:52
Not just stickered theme but the whole backlight and metal plate is orange! One of a kind!
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Tony on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:47:37
I have tried Razer keyboards and they are nice looking, but the quality is still under par.

You must buy one BlackWidow to know what is wrong with Razer keyboard, but then you will be silent to let other learn their own lessons.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:49:42
Not just stickered theme but the whole backlight and metal plate is orange! One of a kind!


Meh my Ducky Yellow Edition has orange plate.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:56:51
How many people bought this?
Show Image
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/adehu3ys.jpg)


Themed keyboards are so cute :)

(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-023.gif)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:57:39
How many people bought this?
Show Image
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/adehu3ys.jpg)


Themed keyboards are so cute :)

Show Image
(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-023.gif)


You saying Ergo Dox is not themed?

Themed like ergonomic?
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Awful on Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:58:40
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 January 2014, 02:05:05
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.

My DA held up forever, but that's it...
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Tue, 07 January 2014, 02:06:54
Why is Folgers hated by coffee lovers?

(Hint: because its trash)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 January 2014, 02:15:38
Why is Folgers hated by coffee lovers?

(Hint: because its trash)

i drink folgers   (http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/d/e/depressedonionplz.gif?1)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Tue, 07 January 2014, 02:20:53
Why is Folgers hated by coffee lovers?

(Hint: because its trash)

i drink folgers   
Show Image
(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/d/e/depressedonionplz.gif?1)


Yes, but i bet you make it in a perc or auto drip.

The point is, you dont drink anything better than folgers because you dont really care to or want to invest more into it, which is totally understandable.

If you were making it in a chemex or hario v60 or something like that, i might tell ya to invest in some better coffee.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Binge on Tue, 07 January 2014, 02:21:44
I can tell you why I dislike it-- it feels pretty nice for the first few days like most Razer products and then after a while you just want something different.  This is not an end game keyboard or one that really appeals to people after they own it for a while.

I bet there are a ton of people with poker 2s... stock I still love that keyboard.  It has nothing to do for Razer's image, but their insisting behavior of making peripherals which grab attention and then don't hold it.  The only product of theirs I have enjoyed in recent times has been the Orbweaver.  There really is nothing like it, and even that could be done better.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: cherpalla on Tue, 07 January 2014, 09:56:54
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.

I don't know anyone whose Razer headset lasted for more than 18 months, nor anyone whose Naga didn't either fall apart from the inside or experience button failure within a year.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Novus on Tue, 07 January 2014, 12:39:17
Why is Folgers hated by coffee lovers?

(Hint: because its trash)

i drink folgers   
Show Image
(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/d/e/depressedonionplz.gif?1)


Yes, but i bet you make it in a perc or auto drip.

The point is, you dont drink anything better than folgers because you dont really care to or want to invest more into it, which is totally understandable.

If you were making it in a chemex or hario v60 or something like that, i might tell ya to invest in some better coffee.

I think a more fitting example would be to trash starbucks because ,unless they have a clover machine, its terrible and overpriced. Most of their customer base has never had a real coffee or espresso either.

Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Kamen Rider Blade on Wed, 08 January 2014, 01:50:17
I've had countless Razer mice and each one has developed issues over time.

I've had the original
Razer Boomslang
Razer Habu
Razer Lachesis
Razer Imperator

Each mouse has developed some form of problem over time
Whether it was random jittery movement
Random double clicking
Buttons not responding
Mouse wheel becoming semi-melted and slippery
Rubber coating wearing off

I've pretty much gone back to Logitech for mice and I've never looked back.

My old Logitech Mice have always worked without issue.

As for Keyboards, I'm a casual ergonomic keyboard guy

So the MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 is what I use.
I hate having to relearn button placements and any keyboard that is ergonomic and as close to the standard QWERTY layout is good enough for me.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 09 January 2014, 02:17:55
Judging by this thread I think I have had the least problems with my Razer products.

About two and a half years ago I bought a Black Widow and a Mamba with my new build. I loved the MX Blues as I had never experienced mechs before, and didn't really notice the build quality.

Now I have bought more boards, I can feel the quality. The print font is horrible, my wasd cluster, shift etc look dirty rather than worn (my board is clean just FYI) and I did have problems about a year ago with double/non signals when I pressed some keys. My Mamba's wireless sensor has since packed up but it still works really well wired, and I am still not looking to get a replacement.

I think Razers are great unless you know better. And if you are on GH, you know better. I wouldn't reccomend buying Razer boards over CM boards, but their mice are excellent.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:12:14
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.

I don't know anyone whose Razer headset lasted for more than 18 months, nor anyone whose Naga didn't either fall apart from the inside or experience button failure within a year.

Not to mention all of their headsets are extremely ugly. I would never buy one based on just the looks alone. Understated isn't in their vocabulary, it seems. Not to mention that there are way better headsets out there for the same (if not less) money.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blusey on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:31:28
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.

I don't know anyone whose Razer headset lasted for more than 18 months, nor anyone whose Naga didn't either fall apart from the inside or experience button failure within a year.
Gotta agree with this and I sold 5 - 8 naga's back in november 11 and I don't think any still work :P  The deathadder really was good quality though.   The headsets are just ugh. And the keyboards some just look abyssmal and feel horrible like the anansi
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:45:16
I hear it's build quality. What exactly is wrong with its build quality? Is there anything else that makes it a bad keyboard?


Are you doing a sort of marketing research study for the manufacturer?  :)
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: cherpalla on Thu, 09 January 2014, 14:15:59
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.

I don't know anyone whose Razer headset lasted for more than 18 months, nor anyone whose Naga didn't either fall apart from the inside or experience button failure within a year.
Gotta agree with this and I sold 5 - 8 naga's back in november 11 and I don't think any still work :P  The deathadder really was good quality though.   The headsets are just ugh. And the keyboards some just look abyssmal and feel horrible like the anansi

The Deathadder is their only good mouse, imo. However, I wouldn't ever buy it just based on the quality of the rest of their crap.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:29:52
I have their Lachesis Refresh 5600 and it's perfectly fine. Most of their mice is pretty good.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Candyflip on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:35:59
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.
I've never been fan either ( for different reasons) but my deathadder is going strong for 5 years now.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Blusey on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:48:01
It's a Razer product in general for me. They're ****, and it's not just my opinion. The build quality is just bad. I've had 3 nagas (all had the left click fail within less then a year) I had a blackwidow ultimate as my first mechanical the stabilizer broke in the enter key. My carcharias headset's mic just 2 days ago quit working.

I don't know anyone whose Razer headset lasted for more than 18 months, nor anyone whose Naga didn't either fall apart from the inside or experience button failure within a year.
Gotta agree with this and I sold 5 - 8 naga's back in november 11 and I don't think any still work :P  The deathadder really was good quality though.   The headsets are just ugh. And the keyboards some just look abyssmal and feel horrible like the anansi

The Deathadder is their only good mouse, imo. However, I wouldn't ever buy it just based on the quality of the rest of their crap.
Quality of the rest yeah may be ****, but Deathadder is one of the top 3/4 mice there are atm.
Title: Re: Why is the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate hated around here?
Post by: Novus on Thu, 09 January 2014, 22:16:32
I kinda liked my Razer Diamondback 3G mouse.
Oh the nostalgia.