Author Topic: I'm never, ever using Gaterons again (Read 12831 times)

gnmar2723 · « **on:** Fri, 26 May 2017, 23:02:42 »

Wobbly and they sometimes they bind when I press them on the very front of the keycap.

Vintage blacks are the only switch I like anymore.

Joey Quinn · « **Reply #1 on:** Fri, 26 May 2017, 23:41:25 »

What keycaps are you using? I know gaterons wobble a bit more than MX but I can't get my gat clears to bind with Cherry profile.

gnmar2723 · « **Reply #2 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 00:11:34 »

that's exactly what i'm using. New old stock 1800 layout cherry doubleshots.

killyou · « **Reply #3 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 06:19:49 »

Does this also apply to Zealios?

yuktsi · « **Reply #4 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 08:21:26 »

which revision of gateron are you using?

SBJ · « **Reply #5 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 08:22:51 »

I actually enjoyed Gateron switches until they started dying on me unexpectedly.
I still have one with Gat greens that are running fine, but almost all the Gateron boards I've had have just stopped working properly.

BaconEggandCheeseBagel · « **Reply #6 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 08:45:07 »

The catching of the front of the keycap with cherry profile caps is actually a common issue that was corrected on the most recent revisions of gateron designs. IIRC Zealios also don't have this problem.

gnmar2723 · « **Reply #7 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 10:57:38 »

I'm not sure what rev. they are since I got a big bag of them from a user on mechmarket. It's not happening on any alphas, only on a few non-critical keys which is alright I guess. Just annoying to have it happen at all.

dante · « **Reply #8 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 11:16:12 »

Varmilo will build a board with Gaterons if you want but they are no longer providing warranties for them.

The last few Varmilo Massdrops were also absent of Gateron options.

This should speak volumes.

crappy_guitarist · « **Reply #9 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 18:23:29 »

Crap. I just bought a tada68 with gateron greens

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gnmar2723 · « **Reply #10 on:** Sat, 27 May 2017, 18:52:43 »

Quote from: crappy_guitarist on Sat, 27 May 2017, 18:23:29

Crap. I just bought a tada68 with gateron greens

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Don't sweat it too much. It really doesn't happen unless you try and make it happen. Also, as others have stated, the problem was most likely addressed.

ShishKabobJerry · « **Reply #11 on:** Wed, 31 May 2017, 12:56:22 »

What happens when a key switch binds? Forgive me for my ignorance.

jcc04 · « **Reply #12 on:** Wed, 31 May 2017, 16:21:42 »

Yeah, this whole "bind" part is throwing me off.

xyverz · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 31 May 2017, 18:14:24 »

I'm guessing that by "bind" OP means get stuck at the bottom of the stroke.

I've never had this problem, but then again, I've never used Cherry profile caps on any of my Gateron boards.

gnmar2723 · « **Reply #14 on:** Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:19:42 »

Sorry for the unclear communication of the word 'binding'

Catching would probably be a better word to use.

What was happening was something was catching at the very top of the keypress. I'm assuming it was the very front part of the keycap stem on the top housing, but I'm not 100% sure. It would basically stop you from depressing the stem at all unless you wobble the switch slider a little bit so it won't catch anymore.

see ****ty MS paint diagram of what I think is happening:

hkf · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:54:13 »

Quote from: gnmar2723 on Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:19:42

Sorry for the unclear communication of the word 'binding'

Catching would probably be a better word to use.

What was happening was something was catching at the very top of the keypress. I'm assuming it was the very front part of the keycap stem on the top housing, but I'm not 100% sure. It would basically stop you from depressing the stem at all unless you wobble the switch slider a little bit so it won't catch anymore.

see ****ty MS paint diagram of what I think is happening:

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Its catching because you are using old milky tops or oldold clear tops

new revisions don't have this issue at all

ShishKabobJerry · « **Reply #16 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 02:27:46 »

Quote from: hkf on Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:54:13

Quote from: gnmar2723 on Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:19:42
Sorry for the unclear communication of the word 'binding'

Catching would probably be a better word to use.

What was happening was something was catching at the very top of the keypress. I'm assuming it was the very front part of the keycap stem on the top housing, but I'm not 100% sure. It would basically stop you from depressing the stem at all unless you wobble the switch slider a little bit so it won't catch anymore.

see ****ty MS paint diagram of what I think is happening:

Show Image

Its catching because you are using old milky tops or oldold clear tops

new revisions don't have this issue at all

That's good to hear. I'm using Gat Blues and so far no issues with them.

richard912 · « **Reply #17 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 07:42:43 »

My gat yellows have not such issues either and I am using cherry profile caps.

gnmar2723 · « **Reply #18 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 15:11:04 »

These gaterons I used were a bit older...

I might have to give them another shot then

tp4tissue · « **Reply #19 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 15:30:35 »

Oh snap.. Gat h8

alienman82 · « **Reply #20 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 19:09:50 »

removed.

mrduul · « **Reply #21 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 19:21:08 »

Had same issue with Unicomps buckling spring keyboard, wobbly keys and poor build quality.

Puddsy · « **Reply #22 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 22:54:21 »

i don't like them either

SpectreiiI · « **Reply #23 on:** Thu, 01 June 2017, 23:09:34 »

Quote from: Bella_Hwang on Thu, 01 June 2017, 22:44:27

or you can consider to choose the kailh keyswitch

According to input club, they are the best switches in mass production. I would buy a version of their new clicks in a heartbeat if they were more tactile.

SBJ · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 02:29:50 »

Quote from: SpectreiiI on Thu, 01 June 2017, 23:09:34

Quote from: Bella_Hwang on Thu, 01 June 2017, 22:44:27
or you can consider to choose the kailh keyswitch
According to input club, they are the best switches in mass production. I would buy a version of their new clicks in a heartbeat if they were more tactile.

Yeah I agree they aren't tactile enough for my taste.

TelFiRE · « **Reply #25 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 05:42:50 »

Quote from: StickyBlueJuice on Fri, 02 June 2017, 02:29:50

Quote from: SpectreiiI on Thu, 01 June 2017, 23:09:34
Quote from: Bella_Hwang on Thu, 01 June 2017, 22:44:27
or you can consider to choose the kailh keyswitch
According to input club, they are the best switches in mass production. I would buy a version of their new clicks in a heartbeat if they were more tactile.
Yeah I agree they aren't tactile enough for my taste.

Sounds like Halo should be exactly what we're after

SBJ · « **Reply #26 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:13:38 »

Quote from: TelFiRE on Fri, 02 June 2017, 05:42:50

Quote from: StickyBlueJuice on Fri, 02 June 2017, 02:29:50
Quote from: SpectreiiI on Thu, 01 June 2017, 23:09:34
Quote from: Bella_Hwang on Thu, 01 June 2017, 22:44:27
or you can consider to choose the kailh keyswitch
According to input club, they are the best switches in mass production. I would buy a version of their new clicks in a heartbeat if they were more tactile.
Yeah I agree they aren't tactile enough for my taste.

Sounds like Halo should be exactly what we're after

Yeah, they seem pretty decent.
Excuse my maybe ignorant question but will they be exclusive to the input club keyboards?

ideus · « **Reply #27 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:16:09 »

Quote from: gnmar2723 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 23:02:42

Wobbly and they sometimes they bind when I press them on the very front of the keycap.

Vintage blacks are the only switch I like anymore.

I concur that vintage blacks are great; but, in all fairness, gats are not that bad.

longtran1568 · « **Reply #28 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:53:51 »

As a long time Gateron user I think I must contribute to this thread.

Yes Gateron is not perfect but I like them very damn much, in fact I don't own any cherry board at the moment. Also I have zero problem with them, with any keycap profile.

I think Op's problem was explained by others already so this is just my 2c about Gateron, so that anyone planning to use them won't be afraid of using one of the smoothest and most economical switch out there

davkol · « **Reply #29 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:59:12 »

IMO you get what you pay for.

I mean, there's a reason why gaterons cost barely half of price of OG MX. For me, the difference is that Cherry has a solid track record: I can trust their 30-year-old switches and if I take a decades-old G80, I can be relatively certain the keys will be nice. In case of gaterons, I have no such confidence, and that affects switches made within the timespan of only a couple of years from now.

Kaihua appears to be much more serious lately, and I sincerely hope Gateron joins them, but thus far? The only thing they have going for them is relative smoothness… otherwise, it's not dissimilar to previous generations of kaihuas and the vendor reports are pretty much confirming that.

dante · « **Reply #30 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:03:37 »

Quote from: davkol on Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:59:12

Kaihua appears to be much more serious lately, and I sincerely hope Gateron joins them, but thus far? The only thing they have going for them is relative smoothness… otherwise, it's not dissimilar to previous generations of kaihuas and the vendor reports are pretty much confirming that.

Sure, other than the fact that Kailh is coming out with Dust/Water resistant switches, Tactile speed switches, Linear clicky switches, switches that do the best they can to mimic Topre, RGB MX Clear switches etc ... not too dissimilar from previous Kailh at all ...

Of course none of these interest me - my desire is the new Kailh Choc Mini (PG1350) switches.

davkol · « **Reply #31 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:23:31 »

Quote from: dante on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:03:37

Sure, other than the fact that Kailh is coming out (…)

Ahem. Try to read more carefully.

Quote from: davkol on Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:59:12

Kaihua appears to be much more serious lately, and I sincerely hope Gateron joins them, but thus far? The only thing they have going for them is relative smoothness… otherwise, it's not dissimilar to previous generations of kaihuas and the vendor reports are pretty much confirming that.

dante · « **Reply #32 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:25:45 »

Quote from: davkol on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:23:31

Quote from: dante on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:03:37
Sure, other than the fact that Kailh is coming out (…)
Ahem. Try to read more carefully.

Quote from: davkol on Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:59:12
Kaihua appears to be much more serious lately, and I sincerely hope Gateron joins them, but thus far? The only thing they have going for them is relative smoothness… otherwise, it's not dissimilar to previous generations of kaihuas and the vendor reports are pretty much confirming that.

Ok I fail at life.

ArchDill · « **Reply #33 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 10:01:02 »

Quote from: gnmar2723 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 23:02:42

Wobbly and they sometimes they bind when I press them on the very front of the keycap.

Vintage blacks are the only switch I like anymore.

This may have been addressed but I am too lazy to read all the way through...

Have you taken the tops off? If so, you may have bent them and need new tops. That happen to me.

TelFiRE · « **Reply #34 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 14:05:04 »

Quote from: StickyBlueJuice on Fri, 02 June 2017, 07:13:38

Quote from: TelFiRE on Fri, 02 June 2017, 05:42:50
Quote from: StickyBlueJuice on Fri, 02 June 2017, 02:29:50
Quote from: SpectreiiI on Thu, 01 June 2017, 23:09:34
Quote from: Bella_Hwang on Thu, 01 June 2017, 22:44:27
or you can consider to choose the kailh keyswitch
According to input club, they are the best switches in mass production. I would buy a version of their new clicks in a heartbeat if they were more tactile.
Yeah I agree they aren't tactile enough for my taste.

Sounds like Halo should be exactly what we're after
Yeah, they seem pretty decent.
Excuse my maybe ignorant question but will they be exclusive to the input club keyboards?

No, there'll be drops for just the switches. Probably after the K Type lands though, so I went for K type to get the switches

gnmar2723 · « **Reply #35 on:** Fri, 02 June 2017, 19:27:46 »

Quote from: ArchDill on Fri, 02 June 2017, 10:01:02

Quote from: gnmar2723 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 23:02:42
Wobbly and they sometimes they bind when I press them on the very front of the keycap.

Vintage blacks are the only switch I like anymore.

This may have been addressed but I am too lazy to read all the way through...

Have you taken the tops off? If so, you may have bent them and need new tops. That happen to me.

hmm, I'm not quite sure what you mean by bent, but I no longer have the board anyhow. I don't think they were damaged as they were brand new and all I did was lube them.

SBJ · « **Reply #36 on:** Sat, 03 June 2017, 01:16:37 »

Quote from: TelFiRE on Fri, 02 June 2017, 14:05:04

No, there'll be drops for just the switches. Probably after the K Type lands though, so I went for K type to get the switches

Fantastic. Might want to pick up a couple of those to try out.

Uryftw · « **Reply #37 on:** Sun, 13 October 2019, 13:36:27 »

Well, unfortunately I've bought 140 Gat yellows from KBDFans, lubed 70 of them, put them in my QXP60 and they are binding as hell. It seems that they are selling super old switches or perhaps I am just cursed.

Sup · « **Reply #38 on:** Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:53:56 »

Quote from: Uryftw on Sun, 13 October 2019, 13:36:27

Well, unfortunately I've bought 140 Gat yellows from KBDFans, lubed 70 of them, put them in my QXP60 and they are binding as hell. It seems that they are selling super old switches or perhaps I am just cursed.

Reviving a old topic from 2017

. But if this helps i bought milky Gat yellows and the ones with the clear tops never had a issue with it. What lube are you using?

Venaros · « **Reply #39 on:** Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:20:02 »

IIRC only the Milky housing gaterons had issues binding, and that was only with GMK/OG Cherry keycaps.

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Author Topic: I'm never, ever using Gaterons again (Read 12831 times)