The lights are just going to be reflected by the computer screen and be annoying. Anyone who buys this is going to have the LEDs on for max five minutes before they are fed up with the gimmick.
With twice as many RGB LEDs as any full-size keyboard, few ports are going to power it. Forget even trying it with a laptop.
The lights are just going to be reflected by the computer screen and be annoying. Anyone who buys this is going to have the LEDs on for max five minutes before they are fed up with the gimmick.
With twice as many RGB LEDs as any full-size keyboard, few ports are going to power it. Forget even trying it with a laptop.
Oh man, good luck powering this thing at full power with anything that's not a desktop psu. I assume that they would use either the ws2812b or a dumb rgb led with a led controller. Now if we do the math for the worst case scenario with ws2812b's, it doesn't look good. Each channel (R, G and B) on a ws2812b can draw max 20mA. If all 3 channels are at max power, they draw 60mA. The led display seems to have 200 leds. If all of them are at max brightness and on white, the leds will draw 12A. at 5v, that's 60W. I'd like to see how they handle thermals and power for that. But, lets think about a more realistic scenario, lets take a current draw of 10mA for each LED. That's 2A @ 5v, right in line with the USB PD profile 1. If they add a usb pd negotiation chip to the pcb, then that would be possible. A buck converter may be needed for higher current operation, as usb PD profiles only offer 2A max at 5v.
The lights are just going to be reflected by the computer screen and be annoying. Anyone who buys this is going to have the LEDs on for max five minutes before they are fed up with the gimmick.
With twice as many RGB LEDs as any full-size keyboard, few ports are going to power it. Forget even trying it with a laptop.
Oh man, good luck powering this thing at full power with anything that's not a desktop psu. I assume that they would use either the ws2812b or a dumb rgb led with a led controller. Now if we do the math for the worst case scenario with ws2812b's, it doesn't look good. Each channel (R, G and B) on a ws2812b can draw max 20mA. If all 3 channels are at max power, they draw 60mA. The led display seems to have 200 leds. If all of them are at max brightness and on white, the leds will draw 12A. at 5v, that's 60W. I'd like to see how they handle thermals and power for that. But, lets think about a more realistic scenario, lets take a current draw of 10mA for each LED. That's 2A @ 5v, right in line with the USB PD profile 1. If they add a usb pd negotiation chip to the pcb, then that would be possible. A buck converter may be needed for higher current operation, as usb PD profiles only offer 2A max at 5v.
Consider a standard RGB 60%. By your logic, it would take 3.6A to power it. Any matrix driver only drives one row or column at a time...
This will still be interesting to follow as it's 600 LEDs to control, so at least 50 pins. More likely though there would be several cheaper drivers running around 20x5 RGB matrices. This is still 60 LEDs running concurrently, but because the LEDs aren't indicators and don't have to shine through switches/caps they can be run at very low current and still seem quite bright.
That would be a really cool board to have for a gaming rig.For the Xbox Series X?
Details on the board? Mount? Plate, Weight, and Case material? Matching wrist rest? Option to turn LED screen into a weight?Yes,- It has many modes, you can customize the pattern, time, wave and other effects.
How are you handling the led matrix pcb wise? I'd assume you're using an LED driver as usable (with qmk compat) commercial mcu's don't have enough pins for the switch matrix and the led matrix.Not based on qmk. They found a new IC, rewritten the driver, and still debugging.
Details on the board? Mount? Plate, Weight, and Case material? Matching wrist rest? Option to turn LED screen into a weight?Mounting style:Top mount,and we added some gaskets between the screws
So far, they have used 200 RGB LEDs, and the maximum power consumption is limited to 400 mAThe lights are just going to be reflected by the computer screen and be annoying. Anyone who buys this is going to have the LEDs on for max five minutes before they are fed up with the gimmick.
With twice as many RGB LEDs as any full-size keyboard, few ports are going to power it. Forget even trying it with a laptop.
Oh man, good luck powering this thing at full power with anything that's not a desktop psu. I assume that they would use either the ws2812b or a dumb rgb led with a led controller. Now if we do the math for the worst case scenario with ws2812b's, it doesn't look good. Each channel (R, G and B) on a ws2812b can draw max 20mA. If all 3 channels are at max power, they draw 60mA. The led display seems to have 200 leds. If all of them are at max brightness and on white, the leds will draw 12A. at 5v, that's 60W. I'd like to see how they handle thermals and power for that. But, lets think about a more realistic scenario, lets take a current draw of 10mA for each LED. That's 2A @ 5v, right in line with the USB PD profile 1. If they add a usb pd negotiation chip to the pcb, then that would be possible. A buck converter may be needed for higher current operation, as usb PD profiles only offer 2A max at 5v.
Consider a standard RGB 60%. By your logic, it would take 3.6A to power it. Any matrix driver only drives one row or column at a time...
This will still be interesting to follow as it's 600 LEDs to control, so at least 50 pins. More likely though there would be several cheaper drivers running around 20x5 RGB matrices. This is still 60 LEDs running concurrently, but because the LEDs aren't indicators and don't have to shine through switches/caps they can be run at very low current and still seem quite bright.
you're right, in that example I got a bit carried away, and assumed that they were using the ws2812b's only.
So hypeeeedShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/wG6WUdP.jpg)That's pretty cool!
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wG6WUdP.jpg)That's pretty cool!
Anyone know if the LEDs can be custom programmed and how it’ll be done?
LEDs:There's not much word on how, but what we do know is that the programmability is not going to be QMK-based.
It has many modes, you can customize the pattern like time, wavy lines and other not too complicated effects.(support USB 3.0)
I'm wondering, do we really need to split the discussion between two IC threads for the same board? Maybe just use the official one (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105389.0), and a mod can lock this.
Wow, looks like they deleted the wrong thread...
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another LED running test ^-^
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another LED running test ^-^
~snip~That color is amazing! I'm fully ready to go broke for this.
Ok after seeing those prototype pics I'm 100% sold. I don't even care how much it costs I want one lol that purple one looks dank
~snip~That color is amazing! I'm fully ready to go broke for this.
Oh man, I can’t wait for this board.
I never really knew what I was going to use my Laser SA set on, but this just might be it. :thumb:
This is a refreshing design in the keyboard community in a long time, just hoping the chunkiness and LED functions to not drive up the price too high :x
Ok after seeing those prototype pics I'm 100% sold. I don't even care how much it costs I want one lol that purple one looks dank
shhh ;) let's try to keep it reasonable! but I really appreciate the fact that it's looking like interesting colors will be offered.
I would still like some info about how that front panel is powered, pcb and panel both get power through one usb cable perhaps? :confused:
The lights are just going to be reflected by the computer screen and be annoying. Anyone who buys this is going to have the LEDs on for max five minutes before they are fed up with the gimmick.
With twice as many RGB LEDs as any full-size keyboard, few ports are going to power it. Forget even trying it with a laptop.
if u guys have any suggestions/ideas about the effect, please comment below!
what effect do you want to see on cyberboard ? a phrase, a animation or anything else
if u guys have any suggestions/ideas about the effect, please comment below!
what effect do you want to see on cyberboard ? a phrase, a animation or anything else
I definitely like the idea of a Matrix “rainfall” effect, with perhaps an ability to cycle through colors for that effect.
The lights are just going to be reflected by the computer screen and be annoying. Anyone who buys this is going to have the LEDs on for max five minutes before they are fed up with the gimmick.
With twice as many RGB LEDs as any full-size keyboard, few ports are going to power it. Forget even trying it with a laptop.
This. What’s the power draw on this if it’s powered by usb ?
if u guys have any suggestions/ideas about the effect, please comment below!
what effect do you want to see on cyberboard ? a phrase, a animation or anything else
Typing speed detection of some sort. When you are typing slow, the leds are green. When you type faster, the leds will change color.
Not sure why I want this. I am a slow typist. :))
if u guys have any suggestions/ideas about the effect, please comment below!
what effect do you want to see on cyberboard ? a phrase, a animation or anything else
if u guys have any suggestions/ideas about the effect, please comment below!
what effect do you want to see on cyberboard ? a phrase, a animation or anything else
What's being used to control the LED panel? Is it the main microcontroller, a dedicated secondary microcontroller, or something else?
if u guys have any suggestions/ideas about the effect, please comment below!
what effect do you want to see on cyberboard ? a phrase, a animation or anything else
What's being used to control the LED panel? Is it the main microcontroller, a dedicated secondary microcontroller, or something else?
we went to factory today. so excited to see these boards. :thumb:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8VOFwJ0.jpg)
What's being used to control the LED panel? Is it the main microcontroller, a dedicated secondary microcontroller, or something else?
it's a dedicated secondary microcontroller.
What's being used to control the LED panel? Is it the main microcontroller, a dedicated secondary microcontroller, or something else?
it's a dedicated secondary microcontroller.
Cool. Is there any communication between the main keyboard MCU and the MCU that's in charge of the LED panel? It would be cool to at least connect the two of them via UART or I2C, to allow the possibility of controlling the LED effects directly from the keyboard firmware (e.g. QMK). I do realize that this requires some additional development effort on the firmware side, but if it isn't implemented immediately, it'd still be cool to leave it open for the future by having the hardware support it. Again, the two MCUs just need to be connected via UART or I2C for that to happen.
"Is there any communication between the main keyboard MCU and the MCU that's in charge of the LED panel? " → yes, through SPI. And, we control the LED effects from the main keyboard MCU.
also, I'm sincerely asking, is it possible to use one main keyboard MCU to control all these things (LED effects)?
I don't mind the current purple, but it looks like the same colour as the Melody96 purple. My preference would be to shift a shade darker. Here's an example of what I'm thinking:Show Image(https://files.pccasegear.com/UserFiles/CM-ATS-C632-10-P-R-l.jpg)
Looks like pirple to me. Not pink, not purple, some kind of shade in between.
This board is so stupid sick. Imagine some BOX Jades in it crushing those latent jumps in Prince of Persia II
alright i got all your ideas!
for the purple case, many of you said that ain't real purple, its more like pink or Fuchsia something. in fact what we want is a deeper purple color, so we gotta get another prototype for a satisfied solution.
for the red / blue case, some of you like it and others are not. its a little bit controversial.But we gonna improve them in next prototypes.
i would say the grass green one is not that cyber or retro. is it cool to you or you just not feeling it?I'd say it's easily my endgame. Instant buy from me on that color.
i would say the grass green one is not that cyber or retro. is it cool to you or you just not feeling it?I agree it isn’t cyber or retro but it still looks very nice. Not the color I would buy though.
i would say the grass green one is not that cyber or retro. is it cool to you or you just not feeling it?I'd say it's easily my endgame. Instant buy from me on that color.
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lates prototype we just received
Will the leds on the back be replaceable? I see one was not working. Is there a way to get into that panel to replace an led easily?
Will the leds on the back be replaceable? I see one was not working. Is there a way to get into that panel to replace an led easily?
Good question... LEDs tend to go out randomly
i hear some mandarin at the background, where are you based hahaha..
Why not QMK? It's an interesting design!
Why not QMK? It's an interesting design!
we tryna add Bluetooth 5.0 to the board, and we found QMK wasn't possible with bluetooth
I must say that I am disappointed the board won’t use QMK. I also don’t care about the Bluetooth feature as I likely won’t utilize it. (Especially if the board doesn’t ship with it’s own battery like I’ve seen with most Bluetooth enabled PCB or board kits)
But that being said, I can see how that feature might be a draw for some folks and I’m still very excited about the progress being made on this project. If I only go in on a single keyboard project out of this year, the Cyberboard will be it to be sure.
I agree with the sentiments above--I'd much rather see QMK support than Bluetooth. On this board in particular, that LED matrix is going to just devour battery, so I'm not sure it even makes sense...
hello guys any ideas about the case? my boys are literally divided into 2 parties, half of them want the black case while others need a white one. what's your opinion on color options?
hello guys any ideas about the case? my boys are literally divided into 2 parties, half of them want the black case while others need a white one. what's your opinion on color options?
hello guys any ideas about the case? my boys are literally divided into 2 parties, half of them want the black case while others need a white one. what's your opinion on color options?
hello guys any ideas about the case? my boys are literally divided into 2 parties, half of them want the black case while others need a white one. what's your opinion on color options?
Black vs white, I prefer black, a dark gray would also be good, and I like the deep purple/blue as well.
hello guys any ideas about the case? my boys are literally divided into 2 parties, half of them want the black case while others need a white one. what's your opinion on color options?
hello guys any ideas about the case? my boys are literally divided into 2 parties, half of them want the black case while others need a white one. what's your opinion on color options?
Oh man, I’m really hoping for a space grey!
hello guys any ideas about the case? my boys are literally divided into 2 parties, half of them want the black case while others need a white one. what's your opinion on color options?
It's a cyber board, it should be raw brushed stainless steel finish. Like the cyber truck. Or a delorean.
That looks neat, but I don't really know what I'm looking at. Is it an alternate bottom weight piece? What is it going to be made out of? It looks like that is going to be a PITA to machine if it's going to be metal...
That looks neat, but I don't really know what I'm looking at. Is it an alternate bottom weight piece? What is it going to be made out of? It looks like that is going to be a PITA to machine if it's going to be metal...
That looks neat, but I don't really know what I'm looking at. Is it an alternate bottom weight piece? What is it going to be made out of? It looks like that is going to be a PITA to machine if it's going to be metal...
Presumably it's an internal dampener, similar to the RAMA ones. Looks similar, too.
I have a few questions.
I just noticed that the group buy is limited, do you have an estimate on how many units/spots you will be producing?
Will the carrying case be an optional accessory, or will it come with the board by default?
Have you finalized the colors you will be offering? Or just decided that 8 is the number of colors you will be offering?
And finally, do you have any ideas on what the custom switches will be like? Linear? Tactile? Clicky? Silent? Who will make them?
I do like the purple stems slightly more, the yellow stems are a little harsh in contrast to the housing. I think the color and translucency of the housing is spot on though.
I have a few questions.
I just noticed that the group buy is limited, do you have an estimate on how many units/spots you will be producing?
Will the carrying case be an optional accessory, or will it come with the board by default?
Have you finalized the colors you will be offering? Or just decided that 8 is the number of colors you will be offering?
And finally, do you have any ideas on what the custom switches will be like? Linear? Tactile? Clicky? Silent? Who will make them?
I do like the purple stems slightly more, the yellow stems are a little harsh in contrast to the housing. I think the color and translucency of the housing is spot on though.
hey squishy, thanks for your questions! i'd love to answer your questions, but unfortunately, there's stuff we really haven't made a decision.
1) how many units/spots we will be producing - less than 1000
2) optional accessory or default - default
3) Have you finalized the colors you will be offering? - not yet, working on it (*sad noise*)
4) specs for switches - since its a very early version, we are still talking about the design.
if you want to know more, welcome to my discord and chat with people, thank you again!
Not sure if this has been asked and answered already: is there an option to rotate text 180 degrees i.e. so message can be read from someone sitting on the other side of the board? Thank you.
2020/07/07 update
After a period of hard work and testing, our boards are really close to the level of mass production. here we got black & white prototypes.
[Vapor White] & [Black Samurai]Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5CJHupq.jpeg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tZKiFmC.jpeg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8bnuYUd.jpeg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k2nFu77.jpeg)
2020/07/13 update
please check out the hot swap PCB of the CYBERBOARDShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/i8riAol.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jjPzk07.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UttCRND.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x5nquc8.jpg)
Hot-swap PCB looks great. Will there be also a white version of it ?
This is look really good. At first, I was suspicious of this project as its design is unprecedented. But I am very happy to see the progress so far and will probably join the group buy. 2020 is the year of Cyberpunk after all :)
will there be an atv macropad to go with it as well?
Big bummer to see Green was removed, I won't be interested if it's not added back. Good luck to everyone else though, I'm super pleased to see this has come so far.
Big bummer to see Green was removed, I won't be interested if it's not added back. Good luck to everyone else though, I'm super pleased to see this has come so far.
Very excited about this Board.. my wallet not so excited :)
Are you considering ISO support?
Big bummer to see Green was removed, I won't be interested if it's not added back. Good luck to everyone else though, I'm super pleased to see this has come so far.
I am sad that there is no love for ISO. Being retro it needs the ISO.
I like the forest green of that prototype a lot, but I also like the grass green of this render a lot too. I would happily buy either.Big bummer to see Green was removed, I won't be interested if it's not added back. Good luck to everyone else though, I'm super pleased to see this has come so far.
which green do you like btw, is this cool enough?MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/eBRyLiD.png)
is that a glass cover at the back?
Question, since QMK is out, is the plan to have a single fixed layout or will there be a way to reprogram key functions, bind media keys like vol+/-, macros, layer functions, etc? If yes, is this done via software installed on the PC or via some button functions on the keyboard? Curious where that all is going before getting too hyped. If it's a fixed layout I'm not sure I'm down.
The forest green made it ! That is cool, I can't wait for the GB to start.
Thanks for the question! I'm sure many of you have the same doubts as you do. We know this will make people sad, but I'm sorry to say that we can't reprogram the layout yet, which means it's fixed.
thanks for the attention and the support tho! we will try our best to bring you a better product in the future,and we'll be reprogramming the key function on future generation of cyberboard.
Thanks for the question! I'm sure many of you have the same doubts as you do. We know this will make people sad, but I'm sorry to say that we can't reprogram the layout yet, which means it's fixed.
thanks for the attention and the support tho! we will try our best to bring you a better product in the future,and we'll be reprogramming the key function on future generation of cyberboard.
Woah, wait, hold on... there's no reprogramability at all? What about layers? This is a 75% board--it kinda needs layers. What do the three keys on the right map to? This is honestly a huge turn-off for me, and I might be dropping out at this point...
What is the fun in the led side if you can't program it?
Uhmm I think it is not customizable, neither keys nor the front panel. There will be some preconfigured options and you will be able to cycle through those. I am 90% sure on this, @Crazy Designers can confirm though.What is the fun in the led side if you can't program it?
The LEDs are programmable I believe, but you can't reprogram the keys sounds like. That's probably a deal breaker for me as well though, probably good for me anyway since I really don't need another keyboard. I was sort of on the fence on buying this, now I probably won't, so this will save me some cash.
Hi everyone, I would like to re-explain the [programmable] thing.This is great! Glad that you clarified.
For layouts, we only support key substitutions, such as replacing A with B.
For LEDs, The LED panel has always been PROGRAMMABLE.
The game becomes different when we connect the PCB to the led panel. We have to make the necessary tradeoffs because we couldn't make a perfect board for the first time.
Like I said, it would be a shame if this generation of CYBERBOARD doesn't satisfy you. we will try our best to bring you a better product in the future,and we'll be reprogramming the key function on future generation of cyberboard.
Hi everyone, I would like to re-explain the [programmable] thing.
For layouts, we only support key substitutions, such as replacing A with B.
For LEDs, The LED panel has always been PROGRAMMABLE.
The game becomes different when we connect the PCB to the led panel. We have to make tradeoffs because we couldn't make a perfect board for the first time.
Like I said, it would be a shame if this generation of CYBERBOARD doesn't satisfy you. we will try our best to bring you a better product in the future,and we'll be reprogramming the key function on future generation of cyberboard.
Hi everyone, I would like to re-explain the [programmable] thing.
For layouts, we only support key substitutions, such as replacing A with B.
For LEDs, The LED panel has always been PROGRAMMABLE.
The game becomes different when we connect the PCB to the led panel. We have to make the necessary tradeoffs because we couldn't make a perfect board for the first time.
Like I said, it would be a shame if this generation of CYBERBOARD doesn't satisfy you. we will try our best to bring you a better product in the future,and we'll be reprogramming the key function on future generation of cyberboard.
Hi everyone, I would like to re-explain the [programmable] thing.
For layouts, we only support key substitutions, such as replacing A with B.
For LEDs, The LED panel has always been PROGRAMMABLE.
The game becomes different when we connect the PCB to the led panel. We have to make the necessary tradeoffs because we couldn't make a perfect board for the first time.
Like I said, it would be a shame if this generation of CYBERBOARD doesn't satisfy you. we will try our best to bring you a better product in the future,and we'll be reprogramming the key function on future generation of cyberboard.
*phew* Yes, thanks for clarifying. It would be nutty if we couldn't at least remap keys! :p
WARNING: GB WILL START NEXT WEEK.
i will post a thread in [group buys] soon. get ready for this!
WARNING: GB WILL START NEXT WEEK.
i will post a thread in [group buys] soon. get ready for this!
Amazing, I can't wait!
How are you running the GB?
What's the estimated price?
Will there be a weight? What is the typing angle? What are the plate materials?
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EDIT: It appears this has now been pushed back to August 10th.
Will the case files be released for those who want to DIY an acrylic case? (considering you're selling the PCB's separately)
In for Cyber Grey. Looks awesome! Can't believe the proposed shipping time, but these guys are in China so maybe it's possible? Either way, I'm excited.
Really hope R2 doesn't happen on indigogo, it's such an awful platform. Would love to see this on Dixie or Kono.
Really hope R2 doesn't happen on indigogo, it's such an awful platform. Would love to see this on Dixie or Kono.
i know. sorry for the bad experience :rolleyes: