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Offline atlanticise

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 22:11:19 »
this is a really cool idea and it's great to see how much effort you put into it!

a personal opinion - i think the set as a whole would look a lot tighter and cleaner if you make the legends a little smaller. the mod text is way bigger than any mod text ever and kind of takes away from the alphas (and the size differences are too obvious, it should be very minimally different), and the alpha symbols are cool but slightly tooooo big so it looks a bit crowded. however this is just what i think, if you're happy with what you have then it's a non-issue :)

kitting feedback - i find it a bit strange and excessive that there are novelties in the base kit, yet there's a separate novelties set on top of it. if you want to provide a latin alphas option for people who want the colour scheme/font without the symbols completely, the base kit should have latin ESC as well.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #51 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 08:13:51 »
Once I saw PBT Transmutation I thought it had to do with FMA Brotherhood, was gonna come in here and insta type reserved. But I clicked into a pleasant surprise. I personally do like the set because it is so different. The font of the mods is a bit off putting, I don't really like the the size of the lettering too but it fits with the theme. If it were a smaller and different font I think it would look weird so keep the mods the same imo! I really like the touch with the numbers too. GLWIC!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 00:53:41 »
Colors are definitely interesting.
Wondering how the large base kit  will effect price.
Looking forward.
Sam E

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 23:46:46 »
this is a really cool idea and it's great to see how much effort you put into it!

a personal opinion - i think the set as a whole would look a lot tighter and cleaner if you make the legends a little smaller. the mod text is way bigger than any mod text ever and kind of takes away from the alphas (and the size differences are too obvious, it should be very minimally different), and the alpha symbols are cool but slightly tooooo big so it looks a bit crowded. however this is just what i think, if you're happy with what you have then it's a non-issue :)

kitting feedback - i find it a bit strange and excessive that there are novelties in the base kit, yet there's a separate novelties set on top of it. if you want to provide a latin alphas option for people who want the colour scheme/font without the symbols completely, the base kit should have latin ESC as well.

Hey wow thank you for this feedback, you pretty much honed in on my exact concerns for this set. I'm currently working on some big changes with it which should address the size of the alphas and then also give some other options for people who were looking to go 100% symbols on their entire keyboard. Thanks for pointing out the lack of an ESC key as well, that's something I completely overlooked!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 13:18:07 »
Once I saw PBT Transmutation I thought it had to do with FMA Brotherhood, was gonna come in here and insta type reserved. But I clicked into a pleasant surprise. I personally do like the set because it is so different. The font of the mods is a bit off putting, I don't really like the the size of the lettering too but it fits with the theme. If it were a smaller and different font I think it would look weird so keep the mods the same imo! I really like the touch with the numbers too. GLWIC!

Ahh yeah I think at this point everyone kinda hates the size of the font which I'm going to address quite soon and make a bit smaller.
But thanks a ton for your comment, it actually makes me confident in this set. I want to bring something entirely different to the table after seeing so many sets that feel the same. Lets not be timid about keyboards  ;D

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 20:50:06 »
Things I've been working on today (6/5/2021) is making symbolic modifiers, redoing the text (makin it smaller), remaking kitting, and then added the little mascot of this set to a key...because why not?! Some people add their signature, but for this set  I'm adding his!


On the other side of production, still waiting on samples and estimates on price!  :thumb:
« Last Edit: Sun, 06 June 2021, 01:43:40 by Lazesummerstone »

Offline YaaD

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 07 June 2021, 01:08:35 »
Great looking set. Totally down for the colorway. Filled in the form and added feedback to add alphas to base kit or maybe 2 base kits


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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 13 June 2021, 23:41:52 »
I made SO MANY CHANGES to this set! I'll do a full update post to this IC when I get some nice renders done. Also my vendor (KONO) may ask for additional changes, but I've handed it all off to them and we'll see what the feedback brings! I changed the font for the Latin Alphas (I really love the new font, it fits so much better and is still gothic yet not "harry potter" gothic). I changed the size (and standardized) all of all the text sizing and also removed it from the core set to it's own "Latin Modifier" kit. But also kitted it in a way that you can get a Latin keycap only set instead of symbolic set if that strikes you or even mix-and-match if you want.
I also upped the quirkyness and magicalness and gothicness of the words on the Latin alphas (you'll see).



Also removed the Numpad because I was thinking it would end up being too expensive in the base set. But also wanted to give people the option to go either numerical or the 'natural numbers' symbols route. Also changed the F-row keys to Phases of the moon which made sense to me numerically.

Thanks to anyone who is following this set and a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who gave me the valuable feedback on the set. I tried to follow as much of the feedback as I could. Sometimes opposing feedback clashed a little bit, but it was always helpful!  ;D Everyone in the here really does rock.

Offline tr0oper

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 07:50:06 »
Now this is beyond words, you have outdone yourself sir!

Those mods. Just. Look at them. They match. They are just branches, yet somehow, they make sense. They pair perfectly where they need to (home/end, pgUp/pgDn).

The moon phase function keys are a great change.

I am also excited about a symbol numpad, I was worried about the standard digits in the original base kit you had, but am now looking forward to getting the symbols on the numpad as well.
So on the topic of the number keys, Iím not necessarily feeling the legends you have. Iíve tried to like them, but they donít seem Ďbalancedí to me. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 are one style, and 6, 7, 8, 9 are another. 6 + 4 seems strange.
Perhaps you could consider 3 + 3 + 3 + 1? (1,2,3) + (4,5,6) + (7, 8, 9) + (0)
If you did that, it would look great on the numpad, and still quite ok on the number row.

I hope my feedback is well received. I know itís a huge ask to redesign/work the numbers, but I think this design will be better for it. IMHO, currently, after the awesome mods, itís the number legends which are the weak point now.

Also, just because I would love to see this set actually make MOQ, perhaps consider 2 base kits, one symbol only legends, and the other Latin? That way you wonít alienate either camp. (Iím in camp symbol btw)

Offline adamyli

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 15:21:35 »
Love this set and the idea of a KB thats only symbols and novelties. What colour keyboard do you think this would go well with?
Would definitely pick this up, whats the projected GB date looking like?

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 16:31:28 »


I hope my feedback is well received. I know itís a huge ask to redesign/work the numbers, but I think this design will be better for it. IMHO, currently, after the awesome mods, itís the number legends which are the weak point now.

Also, just because I would love to see this set actually make MOQ, perhaps consider 2 base kits, one symbol only legends, and the other Latin? That way you wonít alienate either camp. (Iím in camp symbol btw)

Ah yeah I was going back and forth on what the look of the numbers should be for quite some time and found this numbering system and I like it because it matches the look of a lot of Alchemical symbols- it's the way it is because it replicates geometry found in nature (hence why it's called natures numbers).

Even though it's basically science/math based it seemed like a lot of similar thinking to the witchcraft and alchemy.

Also yeah I agree about having the set be accessible to people who like the symbols or people who just want the dang regular letters on their boards! So there will be essentially 2 base kits, but I broke up the latin kit into 2 sets so that if you wanted to switch out latin modifiers but have symbols or have latin alphas but symbolic modifiers it should be possible without buying 2 complete base kits.
So yeah I think this will work?

Thanks so much for the feedback! It's really invaluable!  :thumb:

Offline Lazesummerstone

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 16:33:56 »
Love this set and the idea of a KB thats only symbols and novelties. What colour keyboard do you think this would go well with?
Would definitely pick this up, whats the projected GB date looking like?

If you can find yourself the rare green keyboard this would go perfectly, but I've found Black keyboard and cream keyboards work best!

Oh and yeah right now we're getting quotes from different manufacturers so we should be able to choose one any day now- once we do that they'll give us a timeframe and I'm thinking the GB will happen right after that! I hope soon-ish!?

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 16 June 2021, 05:52:02 »
Heey, registered to geekhack to say that this set is GREAT!
Will be waiting for the groupbuy)

Offline adamyli

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 16 June 2021, 16:47:58 »
Love this set and the idea of a KB thats only symbols and novelties. What colour keyboard do you think this would go well with?
Would definitely pick this up, whats the projected GB date looking like?

If you can find yourself the rare green keyboard this would go perfectly, but I've found Black keyboard and cream keyboards work best!

Oh and yeah right now we're getting quotes from different manufacturers so we should be able to choose one any day now- once we do that they'll give us a timeframe and I'm thinking the GB will happen right after that! I hope soon-ish!?


Thats a great call, will definitely look into grabbing one  for this set. I also dig the Dark Blue Alphas and Red Novelties in the 2nd post, really cool!