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Offline upas

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GMK Delta R2
Group buy runs August 1st, 2024 to September 2nd, 2024
by CannonKeys


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R1 Photo Above for Color Reference


WS32 Comparison Photo - the white ESC key is WS32

Disclaimer
Unless otherwise labeled, images shown are renders.
Renders may not perfectly display the actual colors and/or texture of the keycaps.
Please refer to the above WS32 photo to see the real colors and texture.
We've provided photos in this IC, but please be advised that they used WS2.
In practice, WS32 is very close to WS2.

Colors
The colors (two GMK Stock colors and one custom color matched from Signature Plastics) are slightly changed from what we used from GMK Delta R1.

For those interested, the color codes are: WS32, CR, and SP's VBV (Named TU5 by GMK)

The most notable change is changing from WS2 to the new WS32. WS2 used optical brighteners that made it more prone to yellowing compared to other caps. WS32 is a replacement that GMK developed to match the color of WS2 as close as possible without using optical brighteners. You can see the difference after UV light is applied here:


WS32 has not yellowed, but WS2 has.


Inspiration

In R1 of GMK Delta - we worked with the former designer, Emil, to create a striking black and teal set. After Delta R1, Emil turned over the IP for this set to CannonKeys.

This time around - we wanted to really lean into the set’s name - and decided to add some new elements to the set! When thinking about the word “Delta” - a few things come to mind - delta is a greek letter, delta is used to represent change, and delta is often used as a symbol in math. 

Given these three things - we wanted to integrate all of them into our 2nd round of GMK Delta. The novelty kit features iconography representative of the history of math (in our heads - how better to represent both change and math by representing the history of math). The XT/Macro column keys are all ancient representations of the concept of “zero” - which was a big leap in mathematics. We’ve also included a proof of the Pythagorean theorem - by one of everyone’s favorite Greek mathematicians/polymaths.

The Fibonacci spiral, conic sections, and trigonometry also make an appearance. And no history of math novelty set would really be complete without a nod to Leonhard Euler - both Euler’s identity and the Delta symbol (which Euler used to represent finite differences) are included in the novelties.

(Note: It’s not just us who think Euler was important - Euler also got his own GMK set already)

Of course, we are notably missing a ton of the history of math, but we also wanted to keep the novelty kit reasonable.

Unfortunately, we had to get rid of our Delta Dark / Greek Sublegend kit due to lack of interest. We hope to bring it back in the future.[/b]

Why GMK?
While there have been numerous new manufacturers offering PBT, ABS, and/or PBT/ABS blend doubleshots, we still believe that it’s hard to match GMK’s ABS doubleshot quality and vibrant colors.

GMK's recent turnaround time has been great, and GMK has quoted us a 4 month turnaround.
Price Drops

For GMK Delta R2, we're going to bring back price drops. This is something that we've historically never done, and most vendors have moved away from them. But given the current GMK environment, we believe price drops are a great way to encourage folks to join this group buy and buy the set.

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Context Around Price Drops

Historically, when individuals and older custom keyboard companies like Massdrop (before they became Drop) ran GMK (or SP, or anything) group buys, the sets were advertised at a certain price, and if a certain quantity of sets was reached, savings were passed on to the customer. Typically, the manufacturer provides price drops at certain MOQs (minimum order quantities), and the concept was to use those price drops to also drop the price for customers.

But as the hobby progressed, vendors started moving away from price drops. There are many possible reasons for this, and I can't speak for every vendor, but I can explain why CannonKeys hasn't historically done price drops.

First, price drops were difficult to implement. Some people took approaches of using a google form to collect orders, then separately invoiced each participant based on how many orders were collected on the form. This had the downside of some people failing to pay their invoices - putting the whole group buy at risk. Others ran storefronts like CannonKeys - but faced the potential of having to manually process hundreds to over a thousand refunds. Massdrop had the best system for price drops - they would collect credit card information, and only charge participants at the end - but this was a highly custom solution which even today would be hard for many custom keyboard companies to implement.

Today - CannonKeys has a team of 14+ people, which means if we end up having to manually process hundreds of refunds - we have the capacity to do it. Before, this wasn't the case.

Second, as interest in the mechanical keyboard hobby increased, it became possible to price keycaps at higher MOQs by default. For a lot of newer customers who weren't familiar with price drops, a lower list price looks more appealing. As soon as one vendor started pricing their sets at higher MOQs, competition encouraged other vendors do the same. As an example - someone new to the hobby looking at GMK Voyage might ask why GMK Olivia was so much cheaper, for the same number of keys, and wouldn't necessarily understand that one set had price drops implemented and the other didn't. And while designs aren't the same, someone might like two designs and use price as a tiebreaker - so a lower list price can make a big difference.

Unfortunately, many companies made the wrong bet. They priced keycaps at higher MOQs, but those sets didn't hit those MOQs. Many of them ended up buying those sets out, counting on being able to make the money back by selling extras. In the worst cases, we can see how that worked out for them.

Now that CannonKeys can implement price drops, it's less risky for us to price a set at a 250 MOQ and provide refunds to customers if we hit 500 MOQ compared to pricing the set at 500 MOQ to begin with. And with the departure of many vendors, and lower volume of GMK CYL sets being run - there isn't as much competitive pressure to risk pricing at a higher MOQ by default.

Finally, implementing price drops also required vendors to post sales numbers of each set. This doesn't seem like a big deal - but it does put vendors that post sales numbers at a competitive disadvantage compared to those who don't. And while GMK quotes, designer payouts, and other sensitive pieces of business related information are supposed to be protected under NDA - word still gets around. So basically, if you post sales numbers, other vendors can see how many sets got sold, how many extras you bought... and get a pretty good estimate of your revenue and sales. This allows them to adapt their plans accordingly. I forget which vendor initially stopped posting numbers - but once they did many other vendors (including CannonKeys) followed suit.

All of this is still true today - but the market for custom keyboards and keycaps has expanded to a place where we're not all so reliant on GMK anymore. From 2019-2021, if someone knew your GMK sales numbers, they probably could probably deduce a lot of information about your business. As we've diversified and as GMK has become a smaller part of everything we do, the impact of other vendors and competitors knowing our GMK sales number isn't as great -- which opens up the possibility of price drops.




Light Base Kit
At 250 MOQ, USD $135
At 500 MOQ, USD $125
At 1000 MOQ, USD $115


GMK Delta R1 with significant upgrades:  Basic spacebars for Alice layout, 3-key 40s support and minimal ISO support included.





Novelties
At 100 MOQ, USD $52
At 150 MOQ, USD $46
At 250 MOQ, USD $42


Macro/XT column, with several bottom row modifier novelties and accent color novelties. We’d like to keep this Novelties kit at an affordable price. See above for the explanation of the novelties.



Spacebars Kit
At 100 MOQ, USD $30
At 150 MOQ, USD $28
At 250 MOQ, USD $26

The white bars are WS32 stock colors which means it can be used for other sets with WS32. Those sets might not exist just quite yet, but given the yellowing of WS2, I see WS32 replacing it moving forward. The teal bars are SP's VBV color - which match GMK Tokyo Nights as well.




Renders




Light base kit with Novelties on Brutal60 v2

GMK Delta R1 Photos




Deskmats
We'll be running 4 deskmat designs alongside GMK Delta R2:

Pythagoras


Formulas


Fibonacci


Deltascape

Each will sell for $17.99 during the group buy.

Other Addons
We're chatting with HIBI about doing a HIBI cap for GMK Delta R2, which we are really excited about!
More information will be posted here once we've got that locked in.

Vendors
US: CannonKeys
CA: DeskHero
UK: ProtoTypist
EU: KEYGEM
AU: Keebz n Cables
KR: Swagkeys
SG: iLumKB
CN: zFrontier

We've asked all other vendors to join us in price dropping - but check with your local vendor to see if they will be doing price drops or not.

CannonKeys Coming Soon Page

ETA
With the GB closing on Sept 2nd, we believe we should be able to ship this set to customers in Jan or Feb of 2025

Special Thanks to:
rayhhdailo for IC help
OneCreativeMind for Novelty Design
Emil for coming up with Delta in the first place
« Last Edit: Wed, 24 July 2024, 15:25:40 by upas »

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In for all the kits! Glwb  :thumb:

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If you want order graphs to track progress to price drops I'd be happy to make them.

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great job

Offline upas

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If you want order graphs to track progress to price drops I'd be happy to make them.

We will try to share numbers weekly!
We'll also try to get other vendors to share numbers weekly, but we can't commit to that as it depends on other vendors.

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 04 August 2024, 07:27:16 »
Probably a stupid question but is the price drop for global sales or vendor specific?

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 04 August 2024, 10:09:14 »
Looks like the price drops depend on the vendor.

We've asked all other vendors to join us in price dropping - but check with your local vendor to see if they will be doing price drops or not.


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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 06 August 2024, 17:24:00 »
Probably a stupid question but is the price drop for global sales or vendor specific?

Since this will be one manufacturing run for GMK, global sales (orders from all vendors combined) will determine GMK's final price.

Looks like the price drops depend on the vendor.

We've asked all other vendors to join us in price dropping - but check with your local vendor to see if they will be doing price drops or not.

But yes, it is up to each vendor to decide how they might pass GMK price drops on to their customers.  Looking at their product pages, most vendors have a price drop plan.

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 12 August 2024, 11:40:04 »
Probably a stupid question but is the price drop for global sales or vendor specific?

Since this will be one manufacturing run for GMK, global sales (orders from all vendors combined) will determine GMK's final price.

Yeah, that’s what I meant to ask. Sorry, my question wasn’t clear enough.
I’m from SEA and I bought through Zf and skipped on iLumkb since they didn’t mention the price drop.

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 05:56:28 »
How is the numbers so far? Since we are going to 3rd week.

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 15 August 2024, 09:59:30 »
How is the numbers so far? Since we are going to 3rd week.

We're not looking super great, but remain hopeful.
dvorcol is likely gonna put out a graph soon!

We're sitting around 65 base kits sold, as a reference, without all vendors having reported current numbers. The actual number is probably a little higher - but not a lot higher.
We need to get to 250 to get the set made.

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 15 August 2024, 18:48:43 »


Edit: one vendor updated & HIBI was canceled.
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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 23 August 2024, 15:15:32 »


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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 27 August 2024, 17:36:40 »
Hey everyone! I wanted to share an update about GMK Delta R2 as we approach the end of the GB.

MOQ is still further away than we would like, but with your help, we hope we can get to MOQ and not have to cancel the set. If we reach a few more sales in the next few days, we are ok with buying out this set even if it is at a loss for now. That being said, if you were on the fence about joining, or were just waiting for extras, now would be the time to buy in with your regional vendor/proxy to give the set its best chance at getting made.

We would not be in a position to make projects like this happen without the community, so thank you for your continued support over the years. If anyone has questions, or wants to discuss GMK related things with us, feel free to reply in the thread.

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 27 August 2024, 20:46:35 »
just got a base kit! good luck with GB and I hope it hits MOQ!

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 02 September 2024, 05:27:04 »
Is it going to happened?

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 03 September 2024, 15:20:10 »
Is it going to happened?

We're compiling final numbers from all vendors now. It's looking good but nothing is final yet.
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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 08 September 2024, 15:44:29 »
so whats the final verdict

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 10 September 2024, 01:52:12 »
Hopefully they will make it.

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 01 October 2024, 14:35:29 »
We sent out an email to all folks who bought GMK Delta from us - but I wanted to confirm here that all sets made it and we'll be going forward with it!

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Re: [GB] GMK Delta R2 | Aug 1 - Sept 2 | WS32, Price Drops, Regional Vendors
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 01 October 2024, 23:35:09 »
We sent out an email to all folks who bought GMK Delta from us - but I wanted to confirm here that all sets made it and we'll be going forward with it!

Awesome, Thanks for the update!