Xerox DocuTech Keyboard!!!

[nateth]

I'm geeking out right now, but it hit me over the weekend that an old friend of mine that owns a small printing company had some dismantled Xerox DocuTech presses from the 90's he used for parts. I asked him if he still has any keyboards, and he said I can have them. I'll let you know what I find when I get them later today.

[UTEster750]

Oh damn that is so sweet! There is nothing like this in Australia..

[bocahgundul]

This is so fkin sweet how many Docutech you're going to get?

[Glenmael]

that's awesome

if you get more than one, you know err...hit me up

looking forward to pictures!

[UTEster750]

I'd definitely take one off your hands

[SBJ]

That's amazing!
What switches would those be using you think?

[UTEster750]

That's amazing!
What switches would those be using you think?

These godly ultra rare alps switches called Alps SKCM Green, only available in this board! 

[chyros]

Should be SKCM neon green or brown I guess, both excellent finds, congrats!

[UTEster750]

Should be SKCM neon green or brown I guess, both excellent finds, congrats!

Definitely an awesome find

[SBJ]

That's amazing!
What switches would those be using you think?

These godly ultra rare alps switches called Alps SKCM Green, only available in this board! 

HNNNNGG

[nateth]

Jackpot!!! He had three!!!!

[CPTBadAss]

Damn what a good find. Congrats on those Neon Greens

[UTEster750]

Jackpot!!! He had three!!!!

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Damn dude you really hit the jackpot 

[chyros]

Wow, what a find, holy **** xD .

Are they pine or bamboo?

[alienman82]

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[bocahgundul]

That is a crazy nice find gimme one please

[Screwdriver]

Cool....all this stuff that was considered trash, is now gold.

Gratz on the find.

[nateth]

Wow, what a find, holy **** xD .

Are they pine or bamboo?

I've only taken the caps off that one switch, but the one in the photo is pine.

[nateth]

Thanks everyone. I appreciate it!!!

[Mattr567]

Amazing find. One of the best ive seen! 

[nateth]

Yeah it's kinda terrifying really. Kinda. Lol

Looks like one is pine and the other two are bamboo.

[chyros]

Yeah it's kinda terrifying really. Kinda. Lol

Looks like one is pine and the other two are bamboo.

Cool, how are you liking them?

[nateth]

Cool, how are you liking them?

I'm loving them. I'm not a huge tactile guy, but the switches definitely have a very neat feel. Almost like what Topre would be like if it were truly mechanical.

I was sick yesterday, so I didn't have a chance to really mess with them, but I'll be giving the keycaps a bath today in preparation of the photos.

I've tried to do a bit of research on these boards. I know a bit about print-on-demand publishing given my prior work experience. If I'm not providing any new information here then please disregard my ranting.

The DocuTech 135 was a rather innovative piece of equipment that, as I understand it, was the first mainstream xerographic press to be mass marketed. The presses I took these boards off of (at least two of the three) were still operational as of 2013.

Interestingly enough they look nearly identical to the Xerox 6085 "Daybreak" workstation boards. These workstations in and of themselves are rare and were mainly used internally at Xerox despite having a lot of promise.

It would seem that PARC really developed some amazing things that never took off due to being stifled by Xerox "suits" or not appropriately priced.

I'd like to know about the history of these keyboards and switches to see if any more might exist. I did find a Daybreak keyboard on eBay. I'll be sure to take a picture of that when it comes in.

[CPTBadAss]

E3E and nubbinator have done some research on the machines. And of course I'm sure Haata and dorkvader can provide a lot of info.

[chyros]

Almost like what Topre would be like if it were truly mechanical.

Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I thought as well. In fact, everyone seems to think exactly that xD . Maybe they just have a really defined feel.

I really like them, but they're rather on the stiff side for me. Nonetheless an extremely interesting feel.

[nateth]

Almost like what Topre would be like if it were truly mechanical.

Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I thought as well. In fact, everyone seems to think exactly that xD . Maybe they just have a really defined feel.

I really like them, but they're rather on the stiff side for me. Nonetheless an extremely interesting feel.

Definitely on the stiff side. I think that was intentional. Press operators would want something they need to deliberately punch vs a delicate switch for typists that is too easy to actuate.

[chyros]

Almost like what Topre would be like if it were truly mechanical.

Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I thought as well. In fact, everyone seems to think exactly that xD . Maybe they just have a really defined feel.

I really like them, but they're rather on the stiff side for me. Nonetheless an extremely interesting feel.

Definitely on the stiff side. I think that was intentional. Press operators would want something they need to deliberately punch vs a delicate switch for typists that is too easy to actuate.

I got into contact with an Alps employee who confirmed they deliberately varied switch force to suit various customers' needs. These switches aren't stiff for no reason, indeed.

[emdude]

I got into contact with an Alps employee who confirmed they deliberately varied switch force to suit various customers' needs. These switches aren't stiff for no reason, indeed.

Damn, surely you also asked this employee what lubricant Alps used on their early SKCM switches?!

[alienman82]

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[chyros]

I got into contact with an Alps employee who confirmed they deliberately varied switch force to suit various customers' needs. These switches aren't stiff for no reason, indeed.

Damn, surely you also asked this employee what lubricant Alps used on their early SKCM switches?!

Yes, I tried to get a lot of info out of him. He actually made keyboards in the UK for Alps. He seemed to have forgotten a fair bit though. He's retiring later this year, and once I have more time on my hands I'll see if I can contact him again .

[emdude]

Okay, that's really neat though.  Like alienman, I definitely would like to hear whatever insider info you can get your hands on.

[chyros]

Okay, that's really neat though.  Like alienman, I definitely would like to hear whatever insider info you can get your hands on.

Oh rest assured if I find anything useful I'm posting it all over .

[Mattr567]

I got into contact with an Alps employee who confirmed they deliberately varied switch force to suit various customers' needs. These switches aren't stiff for no reason, indeed.

Damn, surely you also asked this employee what lubricant Alps used on their early SKCM switches?!

Yes, I tried to get a lot of info out of him. He actually made keyboards in the UK for Alps. He seemed to have forgotten a fair bit though. He's retiring later this year, and once I have more time on my hands I'll see if I can contact him again .

Thats really cool! Wonder if Alps has any NOS switches laying around. Probably not the 1st gen switches like SKCM Blue since I imagine they just used up all their stock and just transitioned to SKCM White when they ran out for example. More likely switches like SKCM Greens or non-damp SKCM Creams since they were more of one off's maybe.

[chyros]

I got into contact with an Alps employee who confirmed they deliberately varied switch force to suit various customers' needs. These switches aren't stiff for no reason, indeed.

Damn, surely you also asked this employee what lubricant Alps used on their early SKCM switches?!

Yes, I tried to get a lot of info out of him. He actually made keyboards in the UK for Alps. He seemed to have forgotten a fair bit though. He's retiring later this year, and once I have more time on my hands I'll see if I can contact him again .

Thats really cool! Wonder if Alps has any NOS switches laying around. Probably not the 1st gen switches like SKCM Blue since I imagine they just used up all their stock and just transitioned to SKCM White when they ran out for example. More likely switches like SKCM Greens or non-damp SKCM Creams since they were more of one off's maybe.

Almost certainly not. None of the products they list in their catalog have had these switches for 20 years or so. It's expensive to have stuff lying around for that long, I'm pretty certain they'll have either used it up or dumped it, that's why they switched to Forward after all. I imagine they sold off the last stock of their last switches, SKCM Black, to Silitek off which they kept making AT101s for FOREVER.

[E3E]

Yep, I found a bunch of boards out in the wild, that is, the online wilderness of eBay late one morning.

https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/xerox-docutech-keyboards-and-restoration-t13229.html

I kind of documented it on DT, but I have many more pictures of the entire process on my SD card.

How many boards did you find in total, my friend? Were you able to find one with this layout? Congrats on having the hook-up, dude!



Mainly note the short left shift and the standard US layout. I've seen a european Daybreak board with it in AZERTY, but not a US layout board.

That board you show definitely has pine switches. Beautiful shade they have. 

I couldn't find it in my heart to dismantle them for their switches, so I just keep them as they are. What are your plans for them? Oh! And what model years are yours?

[nateth]

Sorry for the delay everyone. I've been busy with "family" stuff that's been a bit over the top. Anyway...

The boards are slowly but surely being cleaned. I'm going to show off the pine one the most since it's in fantastic condition.

I actually sometimes do product photography at work, so I have a studio available that I'll use to shoot some pictures.

I know the guy who owned these DocuTech presses a few years ago before he sold his business and retired the presses. There's a total of three DocuTech keyboards that I bought from him that were still connected to the presses in his warehouse.

The Daybreak board is one I found on eBay the other day, and it hasn't come in yet. I'm hoping it's got green switches, but it might be brown.


I think the DocuTech pine board may have been new old stock or a Xerox  refurbished board given it's condition and lack of yellowing (in relation to the other two).
There's a tag on it that seems to indicate it was sold/issued in 2007 presumably from Xerox directly. I saw Xerox repairmen work on the operational presses as late as 2014, so they may still service them. That would imply to me that there are possibly more out there currently in Xerox's hands.

Btw, if you haven't messaged me about buying them then don't bother. I'm not looking to drive the prices up, and apparently "The Godfather" is buying keyboards because I had an offer "I couldn't refuse" for the Pine board. As for the other two (maybe three if you include the Daybreak board.) I have people who've PMed me left and right, so if for some reason anything falls through there's plenty of people in line already. Which I feel really bad about because I had no idea how rare these are. If I use my friend's contacts to maybe find more then I'll be sure to bring them here, but I can't say I'm super-hopeful...mainly because I'm a pessimist.

E3E, I'll shoot the tags and upload them later today.

Edit: Added to the last paragraph.

[nateth]

Link to eBay Daybreak board: https://www.ebay.com/itm/291824893374

Bamboo DocuTech Labels:



This is the pine board:

And some sort of labeling potentially from Xerox. I know the guy who owned these, and he didn't add the label.


Edited to add the pine board.

[nateth]

E3E, it looks like all three Docutech boards are from 97-98. I'll ask the original owner about the history. He may not remember to be honest.

I'm trying to figure out how I have a pine board that was made in '97.
I'm still very new at the whole vintage keyboard thing, but this board looks like it might be rebuilt?

See here:

Is the difference in yellowing between two pieces of ABS unusual?

[chyros]

Jeez, really?! 98 is quite far down the timeline, I hadn't expected them that late Oo .

[nateth]

Jeez, really?! 98 is quite far down the timeline, I hadn't expected them that late Oo .

Look at the year on the labels. I'm not sure how else to read that date given what was printed on E3E's boards.

I'm wondering if these started to get hard to find for even Xerox. Presumably they would have gotten all the boards back from leased presses, but a lot of the presses stayed in service for 10+ years. As boards wore out, they may have had to start remanufacturing with old parts? This is pure conjecture on my part.

I realize boards are supposed to last for a long long time, but I'd imagine that these switches could get pretty damn dirty surrounded by toner powder.

[nateth]

The Xerox Daybreak board I got for comparison just came in with Brown switches.

Looks like it was manufactured a few months before I was born...


Definitely a bit more yellow.






I'll compare it to the greens when I get home.

[E3E]

Wow, yeah. Mine seemed to fall in the window of Alps' actual speculated timeline when considering when pine Alps stopped appearing in their catalog. The boards I have that had pine were from 1990 and 1991, while the bamboo boards were from 1996 and 1997 (the only one made in Mexico was the 97 model; perhaps 1996 was the last year of US production?).

The 1997 pine Docutech you have is very strange, but I can imagine it could have been serviced and had the entire PCB swapped out for an older PCB that was ready to go in the early 90s. I can't imagine they went through the pain and labor of swapping every switch out and putting in pines.  I'd think that you'd more likely see a mix if they were replacing switches individually.

On the other hand, it could be possible that they made a late batch with pine switches that were still in stock.

Can you check the PCB of the 1997 pine board? Both of my pine boards had PCBs like this:



While the later boards from 96 and 97 had different pcbs:



The chips are also different. On the earlier model, the controller was a NEC chip while the later models had Xerox chips

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Also the connectors on the older 90 and 91 boards had 89 in the numbers stamped on them:



The 96 had "95" stamped on it:



and the 97 had "97" stamped on it.


Also note the subtle differences here. The later connectors have a "frame" around those numbers in the middle while the older ones don't.

So check that to see if maybe you've got old components or not. The IC chips themselves should have stamps that tell you the date as well.

Lastly, here are PCB revision numbers:

For the early Docutechs

For the late Docutechs

[chyros]

Right, so the timeframe for these is actually about 1996-1998 AFAWK? I guess even the pine ones must have been quite late to the scene. That'd strengthen the suspicion they weren't based on meant to be a continuation of SKCM Brown as that had been out of production for almost a decade by that time xD .

[E3E]

Right, so the timeframe for these is actually about 1996-1998 AFAWK? I guess even the pine ones must have been quite late to the scene. That'd strengthen the suspicion they weren't based on meant to be a continuation of SKCM Brown as that had been out of production for almost a decade by that time xD .

Well, I'd say that bamboo goes back to 1995 at least, but if the wiki is to be trusted, then it can go as far back as 1993 (info derived from an Alps catalog, right?). Nubbinator's find was a 1995 keyboard and it had bamboo switches. I personally think that 1993 is the transition year. There were probably some pine early in 1993 and bamboo late into that year, but the 93-94 year hasn't really been documented. I believe Jacobolus' pine Docutech was 1992. 

So far, we've seen Docutechs from 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, and 1998.
 
Nuclearsandwich has another pine Docutech, but he has not been around for a while. I tried to ask him about it but got no response in terms of model year. I wouldn't be surprised if pine did go into 1994 though, but I feel doubtful for the time being. 
 
Pretty much waiting on nateth's report on the PCB and other timestamp identifiers on the 1997 pine Docutech before we can make any assumptions there. It could be a replacement from an earlier year. Definitely eager to see what it turns out being.

As far as the transition from SKCM Brown to SKCM Green, well... I still feel like there's quite a bit of a link. As you can see, the Daybreak keyboards had SKCM Brown, then followed up with SKCM Green on the Docutechs, and those were produced into 1989, just a year before the Docutechs in 1990.

[nateth]

Look what I just found on the pine board! A single bamboo switch. I'll definitely crack this when I get the chance, and shoot a few pictures of the PCB.

Sorry for the crappy photo. I'll get a better one up next week. You can't tell in this photo, but the right switch looks darker than the other, and it doesn't have the slits Maybe a refurb or repair?

[HeeCh2ei]

Congrats. Do you have any plans on that stuff?

[alienman82]

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[E3E]

What's more annoying than someone who hoards, imo, is someone who buys something rare and then doesn't even document it for others to see.

[nubbinator]

What's more annoying than someone who hoards, imo, is someone who buys something rare and then doesn't even document it for others to see.

Agreed, which is why I try to document all my uncommon stuff pretty well.  That said, you do sometimes have people who don't know that it's rare and don't document it well because they didn't know until it was gone.

[alienman82]

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[E3E]

Welp, looks like we have another anomaly on our hands:



Cable stamp looks like it has 89 in the code



From this listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-XEROX-6085-WORKSTATION-COMPLETEUNTESTED-/112082757628

Looks like we have a Daybreak/6085 keyboard that's from 1992, when the 6085's production supposedly stopped in 1989. I'm guessing it was a replacement? The 6085's keyboard had many different model numbers and variations, unlike the Docutech's single model number. One on eBay even had a detachable cable.

Since this one's date of manufacture overlaps with SKCM Green, it could potentially have greens in it, though those switches might just be exclusive to the Docutech boards.

We keep finding boards that shouldn't exist.

[alienman82]

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[E3E]

Update on the 6085, guys.

It turns out that it does have SKCM Green.

The seller sold it to me after we worked out a deal, but it wasn't cheap. Either way, these are kind of oddities, so I wanted to have one. They're probably a lot harder to come by than DocuTechs, which was incentive to shell out.

Anyway, this, combined with another user named Terrycherry on Deskthority also finding a damaged 6085 from 1993 from a junkyard which also had pine green, shows that:

1) Date is the most significant thing on these keyboards, and the DocuTechs are almost certainly just repackaged 6085 keyboards. If the date is 1990 and up, it's likely going to have SKCM Green.

2) Because of the jump from SKCM Brown to SKCM Green in the 6085, I think we have strong evidence to show a connection between the two. It's like the relationship of SKCM Blue > SKCM White or SKCM Orange > SKCM Salmon.

Secondly, it seems that DocuTech keyboards can have pine SKCM Green switches from 1990-1994.





Nateth helped me out here.

As you can see, the ICs have timecodes for 1994 and the stamp on the connector is also marked "94."

So, I would say that Nateth's pine DocuTech is from 1994. Maybe it was repaired in 1997 and they put it in a 1997 case or put a new label on it then, which would explain the lone bamboo switch.



So far, we've seen pine SKCM from 1990 and 1991 with my two Docutechs. 1992 from jacbolus' Docutech and the above 6085. 1993 from terrycherry's 6085, and 1994 from Nateth's DocuTech.

This filled a bunch of gaps in the timeline. Every board I've seen from 1995 on up has had bamboo, so 1994 must be the cut off year. Now we know. If only we could see some more from 1994 just to see if it varies at all.

The last thing to figure out is exactly how long DocuTech keyboards were produced.

[alienman82]

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[nateth]

Damn E3E is pale!

Lol No, I'm the pale one. I shot those crappy pics earlier tonight. It does sound like he got ahold of a 6085 board with pine greens which I most certainly envy! Mine is brown like the one nubbs found.

[alienman82]

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[HouseofSuffering]

I was promised the keyboard and mouse from a Docutech 135. If your interested I will post pics when I get it later this month.

[E3E]

Damn E3E is pale!

Lol No, I'm the pale one. I shot those crappy pics earlier tonight. It does sound like he got ahold of a 6085 board with pine greens which I most certainly envy! Mine is brown like the one nubbs found.

Just check out the dates! Or ask for a picture of the sticker on the back so you can see the date. Though that petitplanet seller is a certifiable jerk from what I've heard, so asking him wouldn't have helped. All of his keyboards were SKCM Brown though. If it's 1990 +, it's gonna be SKCM Green.

I think the majority of 6085s will be brown alps though. The one from this guy came from his brother who worked in Palo Alto at Xerox and he said they used the Daybreak systems (despite them being taken off the market in 1989) until the mid 90s when Xerox closed their Xsoft division. So, I'd say the 6085s with greens are either going to be internal Xerox keyboards or replacement keyboards for customers that needed them in the 90s. 

Hopefully we will see more of them though.

DocuTechs will ALWAYS have greens though, of course. And damn, they're popping up a lot right now, haha.

I was promised the keyboard and mouse from a Docutech 135. If your interested I will post pics when I get it later this month.

Keep us updated. I'd like to see what the date is on your model and definitely see pics of it in general. 

[chyros]

Awesome, now we're getting somewhere . I always like it when a keyboard or switch timeline gets fleshed out like this . Incidentally, the DT wiki page on SKCM neon green got an overhaul recently, too .

[E3E]

Awesome, now we're getting somewhere . I always like it when a keyboard or switch timeline gets fleshed out like this . Incidentally, the DT wiki page on SKCM neon green got an overhaul recently, too .

Looks like Daniel's back at it again.

I find it interesting that the description changed from rare to considerably rare to uncommon. Who's allowed to judge rarity? They'll never be happy!

I'm with you on the wiki being a bit finicky; I really need to add pictures and more facts about the pine switches as well as make pages for the two Xerox boards but haven't because of how editing the wiki is a little tricky. Not that difficult, but eh.

But yeah, with this direct connection to the 6085, the timeline definitely seems more distinct now. If the board had SKCM Brown or another switch then that'd have totally debunked that theory, haha.

[chyros]

Awesome, now we're getting somewhere . I always like it when a keyboard or switch timeline gets fleshed out like this . Incidentally, the DT wiki page on SKCM neon green got an overhaul recently, too .

Looks like Daniel's back at it again.

I find it interesting that the description changed from rare to considerably rare to uncommon. Who's allowed to judge rarity? They'll never be happy!

Yeah, that's Daniel . God knows I don't call things rare quickly, but neon greens are rare .

[nateth]

Hey everyone. I just took some more pictures of a Bamboo board. Label and cable both indicate 1998 and the PCB is Rev. B.
I see Xerox, Texax Instruments, AMD, & Motorola on the chips like the pine board.

[E3E]

Thanks again for all the pics, Nateth. Super happy to see everything interesting documented.

I just noticed that one of petitplanet's listings, the guy who had a few 6085 keyboards on eBay also had one assembled in June of 1990. This is before the DocuTech came out, but I wonder if it had SKCM Greens.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XEROX-6085-1-6085-2-WORKSTATION-KEYBOARD-IN-GOOD-WORKING-CONDITION-/291824893374?nma=true&si=9Ba%252FCfHEbEBqYK8fClKFuHZquqs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557



I feel doubtful that whoever bought it will turn up so we can know for sure, but it's whatever.

[HouseofSuffering]

Finally got to pick up my Docutech today. The guy who sold it to me was still using it till his Docutech 135 was picked up for parts, so I had to wait. Lol

 He was nice enough to keep the mice, mouse pad and keyboard for me. He took really good care of his stuff. And he said it was serviced when ever he had problems.

Excuse the potato pics, it is night time and my house has crap lighting.

Also I can't seem to get it all the way open. Something in the middle is holding the case together still. Seems to be the two holes to the top left and right of the label, but I can figure out what to do in them, there is not screw, just a plastic bar inside.

[HouseofSuffering]

Keyboard isn't nearly as yellow as those pics make it look. Here is one I took in the daylight.

[HouseofSuffering]

Nevermind, got it. I guess you just have to pull.

The ball mouse is pretty awesome. Heavy and very mechanical feeling.

I was surprised to see the original mouse is a laser mouse.

[E3E]

A seller in Michigan had a board like this and that infamous (to me) trackball. Sick, I always wanted one for my DocuTechs. He was selling the entire system. He later said he was auctioning the keyboard, but I never heard what came of it nor saw the auction.

Is this the same one?

Looks like yours are bamboo switches. Okay, so that means that 1994 is definitely the transition stage for these switches, since nateth's 1997 DocuTech with pine had 1994 time codes all over it.

Guess that year is a toss-up, but it seems that any year before that from 1990-1993 will have pine.

[HouseofSuffering]

This was from a craigslist ad in socal. Guy was trying to sell his whole Docutech 135 for $1000. Thing was like 20' long. I contacted him and asked him if I could have the keyboard if the buyer of the machine didn't want it. He ended up pulling the add from Craigslist tried some auction places and ended selling the machine to someone for parts. He was nice enough to hold his end of the bargain and keep the mice and keyboards for me. I went and picked them up from him near San Diego earlier today.

[E3E]

This was from a craigslist ad in socal. Guy was trying to sell his whole Docutech 135 for $1000. Thing was like 20' long. I contacted him and asked him if I could have the keyboard if the buyer of the machine didn't want it. He ended up pulling the add from Craigslist tried some auction places and ended selling the machine to someone for parts. He was nice enough to hold his end of the bargain and keep the mice and keyboards for me. I went and picked them up from him near San Diego earlier today.

That's cool. Makes the second trackball I've seen then. It's a very sick looking peripheral, haha. How much did it run you if you don't mind my asking? Did he end up just giving it to you for free?

[HouseofSuffering]

Pm'd you about the price. I bought it.

I wouldn't mind mailing the track ball mouse to you, so you can check it out for a bit. It is surprisingly robust. I was surprised by it. I have always hated track ball mice, but I like the feel of this one. Heavy and (like the label on the bottom says) has a very "tactile" feel. Lol

Just so long as you mail it back to me eventually. 

[E3E]

Pm'd you about the price. I bought it.

I wouldn't mind mailing the track ball mouse to you, so you can check it out for a bit. It is surprisingly robust. I was surprised by it. I have always hated track ball mice, but I like the feel of this one. Heavy and (like the label on the bottom says) has a very "tactile" feel. Lol

Just so long as you mail it back to me eventually. 

Haha! Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. I hate holding onto people's stuff, but I feel like I have to at least try it out at some point. Thanks for the offer, man!

Sounds like an amazing trackball. I've actually never used a one before at all, so it'd be a first for me, lol.

[HouseofSuffering]

Yeah, no worries. Then you can know for sure if you want to still pursue getting one for yourself and how much you would be willing to pay for it.

I am going to take the whole setup to the next California meet-up, which I think is this weekend. Then after that I will mail it to you to check out in person.

[E3E]

Yeah, no worries. Then you can know for sure if you want to still pursue getting one for yourself and how much you would be willing to pay for it.

I am going to take the whole setup to the next California meet-up, which I think is this weekend. Then after that I will mail it to you to check out in person.

Sweet, that all sounds pretty awesome. I know some others in CA have a DocuTech, but it's a pretty big state. I'm curious what people think of it, haha.

I'll be here whenever you're wanting to ship it out, good sir! 

[nateth]

Apologies for resurrecting something this old, but I figure given the nature of the topic it's appropriate. I've been dormant for a while due to a lot of crap going on in my real life. Here are some decent shots I took of the pine board that I just finished cleaning up.

[Joebeazelman]

So you left your wallet in El Segundo as collateral for the keyboard?  Not a bad trade!