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Title: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Mon, 13 April 2020, 07:26:04
Hello everyone!

While the MBK group buy (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/eq6vzs/gb_mbk_choc_lowprofile_keycaps_preorder_now/) is now underway (some prototypes have been received, the final ones are on their way and we are preparing for mass production), we would like to tackle another keycaps issue in the community: Topre-compatible keycaps

There are not much Topre-compatible keycaps options available out there and it's a shame for THOCK aficionados who have to swap switch stems, or use MX adapters to be able to pimp their keyboards... So this Interest Check (https://forms.gle/twjEeojZBPzfCtgo7) will be a way for us to gauge interest and also help us decide which way to go forward to address this matter.

If you own a Topre keyboard, please reply (https://forms.gle/twjEeojZBPzfCtgo7) !

This project is more ambitious for us than MBKs as it implies more keycaps sizes/rows, so much more molds and also dye sublimation. We have skilled dye sub factories lined up to make this happen, and we are currently reviewing their processes and products to make sure we go with people who know what they are doing and will provide the best product available by requiring good QC.

After getting the IC replies, in a couple of weeks, we will be preparing kits for the different layouts, and gettings quotes from the factories. By leaving your email in the form we will keep you informed of how it evolves so make sure to fill it.

They will be thick PBT (1.5mm), but no design nor profile has been decided yet!

Profile will most probably by OEM as it's the standard on Topre keyboards, but if the IC shows that many people prefer Cherry, we'll go for those.

Regarding the design, while we think BoW and WoB are must-haves, we would like to hear from you if you have any other ideas, we should hopefully be able to offer at least 2 or 3 design choices from the start (since MOQ is higher for molds making than dye sub).

Interest Check form (https://forms.gle/twjEeojZBPzfCtgo7)

Looking forward to receiving your opinion!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Crack85 on Mon, 13 April 2020, 07:32:54
Finally!

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 13 April 2020, 07:37:44
Doing blanks in the original Realforce OEM set colors would be sweet... with compatibility for old and new Realforces and HHKBs. Perhaps also for 660C

Especially in pink and the light blue. There's also black, white, orange, red, yellow, green, and lavender.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZpiG6M0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/96kGEVA.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: ddnomad on Mon, 13 April 2020, 08:23:41
Would be all in to get both OEM and HiPro sets for my HHKBs.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 13 April 2020, 09:24:10
I'm keen for blanks of all sorts of colours like Lightning mentioned. Not particularly interested in BOW/WOB or anything with legends in particular but I'm sure those would do well (and so would classic retro etc), especially considering how awful stock legends are on literally every single topre board that exists.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Capsy on Mon, 13 April 2020, 09:42:27
We need hipro profile topre caps to be remade. Cherry like profile options even though limited, are there. Kbdfans were working on new hipro keycaps but that project looks to be far off still
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: outerspace on Mon, 13 April 2020, 10:23:55
We need hipro profile topre caps to be remade. Cherry like profile options even though limited, are there. Kbdfans were working on new hipro keycaps but that project looks to be far off still


2nd this. The community is in dire need of HiPro Topre caps!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: ddnomad on Mon, 13 April 2020, 10:28:55
Topre HiPro hype train goes brrrrrr
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Lormania on Mon, 13 April 2020, 11:15:54
This is amazing! I am always on the hunt for Topre keycaps. I am in favor of OEM BoW/WoB for the first round as they will do well.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: noahf on Mon, 13 April 2020, 12:05:06
I am interested in WoB and BoW sets
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: noorejji on Mon, 13 April 2020, 13:09:01
WoB would be huge. Classic grey or beige, or some variant of Dolch would be very interesting as well. I’m thirsty for Topre keycaps, but it would have to be better quality than the offerings from KBDfans. The crooked stems are unusable imo, so you would have to prove that you can do better.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: joshuarubin on Mon, 13 April 2020, 13:15:55
HiPro pls!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: beekey on Mon, 13 April 2020, 13:31:03
WoB as a start would be awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 13 April 2020, 15:56:26
I'm also in for high profile keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: LevelSteam on Mon, 13 April 2020, 16:18:25
I'd be in for some. I'd really like a nice clean black on white dyesub set myself.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: jiezhou on Tue, 14 April 2020, 03:32:13
Go Topre HiPro!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: q83n87 on Tue, 14 April 2020, 10:16:12
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Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: bukowski on Tue, 14 April 2020, 11:24:17
Filled out your form. I am sure this will turn out interesting.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Auxo on Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:00:06
caps for 86u plz
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Sycomore on Tue, 14 April 2020, 23:29:38
caps for 86u plz
+1 86u/84u/103u keycaps ty (I need more 7u topre spacebars)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:28:08
I'm interested, will fill out the form. What I really want are scooped homing keys if that is possible. I would buy a few BoB, WoB sets if that happened, I would buy 5 or 6 total. Tried Novatouch sliders with GMK and they felt subpar compared to Topre sliders. I just want some scoops so badly, I have to imagine there are many of us that rotate with keyboards with GMK sets but Topre as well and have to deal with the bars.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: naasfu on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:37:32
blank sets for hhkb/rf in different colors please
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: FTR_Beat on Thu, 16 April 2020, 00:21:45
Would be great to see sets such as Skeletor, Carbon, Mitolet etc. in Topre. Have a fc660c which I believe is Step Sculture 2. Not sure if it's that much different than OEM.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: cmd on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:23:48
blank sets for hhkb/rf in different colors please

i agree with naasfu

black & pink blanks on the top of the list!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Helloimdavidhaha on Thu, 16 April 2020, 23:40:43
So glad someone finally brought attention to Topre! I tried to move away from my HHKB because there weren't many options in terms of keycaps but now I can finally break free from that standard HHKB look.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Fri, 17 April 2020, 01:35:24
Definitely would like to see some Hi-pro at some point, but I will take anything I can throw on my norbaforce.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:23:22
caps for 86u plz
+1.

7u spacebar support would be great. I have a 86u to service.

+1

To cmd and naasfu's comment on blank sets
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: directheatedtriode on Tue, 21 April 2020, 16:02:33
fkcaps any updates on what you're thinking about doing?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Tue, 21 April 2020, 16:17:11
fkcaps any updates on what you're thinking about doing?
Hey!
I have posted an update via email a couple days ago to people who have filled in the IC form :) you may have missed it if you haven’t filled the form or filled it after that day
In short there has been a good amount of interest that will most probably get this project to GB. Now I am looking into layouts to prepare the kits and molds. It takes a bit of time as I want to make sure no layout is left behind.
Two big questions are yet to be settled:
1. Which profile to go with? (IC results were mixed)
2. What design(s)? (I am looking into “open” designs since I haven’t found a designer yet)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: directheatedtriode on Tue, 21 April 2020, 17:18:17
fkcaps any updates on what you're thinking about doing?
Hey!
I have posted an update via email a couple days ago to people who have filled in the IC form :) you may have missed it if you haven’t filled the form or filled it after that day
In short there has been a good amount of interest that will most probably get this project to GB. Now I am looking into layouts to prepare the kits and molds. It takes a bit of time as I want to make sure no layout is left behind.
Two big questions are yet to be settled:
1. Which profile to go with? (IC results were mixed)
2. What design(s)? (I am looking into “open” designs since I haven’t found a designer yet)

Thanks it was in spam for some reason. I don't have any strong feelings on OEM vs Cherry, I don't find the differences to be that large, I would slightly side with Cherry. I don't like Hi-Pro.

Did anyone else request scoops and your thoughts on those?  :D

Edit: I'll upload a picture of R2 TKL to the collaborative drive if there isn't one already there.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 21 April 2020, 17:21:02
I don't own a Topre, but one of the mitigating factors has always been the lack of keycap customization. I hope this IC/GB soars!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: sygo_ on Tue, 21 April 2020, 23:49:31
would certainly love some more options for my hhkb!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 22 April 2020, 12:24:27
On OEM vs Cherry. I chose oem because in my experience, the shorter rows of my gmk sets impact the slider housings of my novatouch thus forcing me to use spacers to keep this from happening. I'd think having a slightly taller oem profile set would help prevent this, especially if they are going to be 1.5mm think. If you go with cherry, would it be possible to do some testing with prototype caps to make sure there is no clearance issues? Otherwise I'm going to have to pass on this, which is unfortunate, but I can't justify buying potentially unusable caps.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Auxo on Wed, 22 April 2020, 16:35:51
Give colored realforce sets so that I don't have to hunt in the aftermarket and pay $400 each set pls lol.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: naasfu on Tue, 05 May 2020, 01:41:01
i like to mix and match topre caps for my hhkb and RF boards, so i'd only really be interested in OEM keysets.

i especially hate SA/hi pro profile caps (like how does anyone manage to type with those..), so definitely no hi pro.




Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Sycomore on Tue, 05 May 2020, 01:54:45
i like to mix and match topre caps for my hhkb and RF boards, so i'd only really be interested in OEM keysets.

i especially hate SA/hi pro profile caps (like how does anyone manage to type with those..), so definitely no hi pro.

+1 to all this, SA/Hi pro can sit and spin.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Tue, 05 May 2020, 02:10:00
Thanks everyone for all your feedback!

I am having very busy days lately (moving out during the lock down isn't easy) but I will publish a 2nd update soon about the status of the IC. I am only sending the update via email to people that have filled the IC form so make sure you get your email in there to receive them.

KBDFans being working on making new Hi-Pro molds, we won't go down that route as it wouldn't make sense to have 2 products in the works... I have seen photos of 3D printed prototypes that look very good so Hi-Pro lovers should get what they want soon!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: switchnollie on Wed, 06 May 2020, 15:55:16
Cherry looks weird on Topre, OEM for sure :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Auxo on Wed, 06 May 2020, 16:14:22
Cherry looks weird on Topre, OEM for sure :cool:

I haven't personally tried GMK/cherry profile on topre and i wanna keep it that way. they look great as they are  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: noorejji on Wed, 06 May 2020, 16:23:09
Do go for cherry, so it’s possible to mix and match. I’ve used cherry on topre longer than oem, there’s no problem with that config.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: cmd on Thu, 07 May 2020, 10:09:45
+1 for OEM. No sense in changing what seems to be already perfect :thumb:

Also, is there even Cherry profile key caps with the topre stem? The MX stems frankly are garbage  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: naasfu on Thu, 07 May 2020, 16:41:37
cherry on topre boards is unnatural. edddwaaarrrddd.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 08 May 2020, 08:56:48
HiPro with Latin+Hiragana plz
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: cmd on Fri, 08 May 2020, 09:09:09
HiPro with Latin+Hiragana plz

KBDFans being working on making new Hi-Pro molds, we won't go down that route as it wouldn't make sense to have 2 products in the works... I have seen photos of 3D printed prototypes that look very good so Hi-Pro lovers should get what they want soon!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: _PixelNinja on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:05:03
Profile will most probably by OEM as it's the standard on Topre keyboards, but if the IC shows that many people prefer Cherry, we'll go for those.

For what it's worth, unless specified HiPro, stock Topre keycaps are Stepsculpture 2 profile — which is very close to Cherry.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Nakaji on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:06:49
Def in if we can get a HiPro like keycaps
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: JDMFanatic on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:34:37
I would be in for any topre keycap options...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: cmd on Mon, 29 June 2020, 09:46:39
Quote
Legends are slightly different from a brand to another, and we won't go to such extent as to create clones.

For HHKB mods kit we will stay close to the original design, in terms of symbols at least, but font may be slightly different. For Leopold and Realforce we will find a way in between.

If anyone is wondering, the keycaps such as capslock or numlock that let the LED underneath shine through will have to be replaced by regular keycaps. Unfortunately these are incompatible with the reverse dye sub process

Just got this in the email...this makes no sense in my eyes and sort of immediately turned off.

The legends on the HHKB and Realforce are exactly same...so why would the Realforce be bundled with Leopold for a common legend. This seems so counterintuitive and I think you would see this evident in hitting MOQs during go-live. The HHKB and Realforce kits could be ONE kit with like two extra keys and be way more successful. It isn't like PFU is selling LEOPOLD keyboards, they only sell HHKB and RF.

Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Mon, 29 June 2020, 10:06:44
problem is exactly about hitting MOQ unfortunately...

If we have to produce one kit for leopold, one for RF and one for HHKB (RF and HHKB could be grouped but this would be a lot of keys and HHKB users shouldn't pay for all those keys imo), that's a lot of options, and this is only one colorway. I believed it made more sense to group keycaps by form factor rather than brand, to avoid producing more keys (and make the kits more expensive an potentially fail reaching MOQ).

Of course it's not too late to change my mind and I'd welcome constructive criticism. My goal is for everyone to be able to get new keycaps regardless of the keyboard they are using.

Here is an album if anyone else wants to join the discussion: https://imgur.com/a/1ysI1tk (https://imgur.com/a/1ysI1tk)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: jamster on Mon, 29 June 2020, 10:08:43
i like to mix and match topre caps for my hhkb and RF boards, so i'd only really be interested in OEM keysets.

i especially hate SA/hi pro profile caps (like how does anyone manage to type with those..), so definitely no hi pro.

This, on both points. Both the mix and match, and dislike of hi-pro.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: cmd on Mon, 29 June 2020, 10:57:45
problem is exactly about hitting MOQ unfortunately...

If we have to produce one kit for leopold, one for RF and one for HHKB (RF and HHKB could be grouped but this would be a lot of keys and HHKB users shouldn't pay for all those keys imo), that's a lot of options, and this is only one colorway. I believed it made more sense to group keycaps by form factor rather than brand, to avoid producing more keys (and make the kits more expensive an potentially fail reaching MOQ).

Of course it's not too late to change my mind and I'd welcome constructive criticism. My goal is for everyone to be able to get new keycaps regardless of the keyboard they are using.

Here is an album if anyone else wants to join the discussion: https://imgur.com/a/1ysI1tk (https://imgur.com/a/1ysI1tk)

If you want to have separate kits I think that is acceptable, I was more confused as to why RF and Leopold would be 'met in the middle' if the HHKB and RF use the same legend font. Wouldn't this just create more MOQ problems when all of them could be 'OEM' (since that is the vast majority)?

I didn't see it mentioned but are blank colored keycaps going to be offered?

Again, this is just my 2 cents. Do not mean to offend the work that you have put into this.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:11:36
problem is exactly about hitting MOQ unfortunately...

If we have to produce one kit for leopold, one for RF and one for HHKB (RF and HHKB could be grouped but this would be a lot of keys and HHKB users shouldn't pay for all those keys imo), that's a lot of options, and this is only one colorway. I believed it made more sense to group keycaps by form factor rather than brand, to avoid producing more keys (and make the kits more expensive an potentially fail reaching MOQ).

Of course it's not too late to change my mind and I'd welcome constructive criticism. My goal is for everyone to be able to get new keycaps regardless of the keyboard they are using.

Here is an album if anyone else wants to join the discussion: https://imgur.com/a/1ysI1tk (https://imgur.com/a/1ysI1tk)

If you want to have separate kits I think that is acceptable, I was more confused as to why RF and Leopold would be 'met in the middle' if the HHKB and RF use the same legend font. Wouldn't this just create more MOQ problems when all of them could be 'OEM' (since that is the vast majority)?

I didn't see it mentioned but are blank colored keycaps going to be offered?

Again, this is just my 2 cents. Do not mean to offend the work that you have put into this.

RF and HHKB are many but Leopold aren't to be ignored, there are people using them! That being said, I'll take into account your comment when preparing the designs (which is going to be a real challenge, as it'll be impossible to make everyone happy unfortunately).

Blanks will probably be offered if there is enough demand. I'll also include it in the upcoming design survey.

No offense taken I appreciate the comments, thank you for this feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: noorejji on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:49:35
I do see it a bit strange not to have 7u spacebar in the mods kit; maybe too few owners? Regarding the 7u bar, I see someone has already added a picture of its underside, but I'll note that _AFAIK_ 86U only uses the innermost stab positions - i.e. 6u spacing. (Why? Because Topre.)

Regarding the font, please don't use anything resembling the Leopold typeface - it's garbage. That's coming from a FC660C owner.

I would suggest to make everything as standard as possible. Topre is weird, and trying to cover all bases and please everyone will just make it even more weird. Personally I would prefer everything to look like Cherry, but that's just me. I'll give you props for attempting this cursed niche of a niche.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:57:03
I do see it a bit strange not to have 7u spacebar in the mods kit; maybe too few owners? Regarding the 7u bar, I see someone has already added a picture of its underside, but I'll note that _AFAIK_ 86U only uses the innermost stab positions - i.e. 6u spacing. (Why? Because Topre.)

Regarding the font, please don't use anything resembling the Leopold typeface - it's garbage. That's coming from a FC660C owner.

I would suggest to make everything as standard as possible. Topre is weird, and trying to cover all bases and please everyone will just make it even more weird. Personally I would prefer everything to look like Cherry, but that's just me. I'll give you props for attempting this cursed niche of a niche.

Yes, to my knowledge only 86u uses 7u, that's why it didn't make it to the mods kit. That last "compability kit" is basically all the less common layouts (including ISO and JIS) that will have to pool together to exist... It didn't seem fair to have that (expensive) spacebar included in the mods kit given the low demand there has been for 86u in the IC survey.

Noted about the font, your opinion matters and while I tend to agree with you, some people may like it nonetheless. I hope we manage to come up with a design that pleases most!

Thanks for the comments and the nice words :)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Auxo on Mon, 29 June 2020, 19:34:28
I do see it a bit strange not to have 7u spacebar in the mods kit; maybe too few owners? Regarding the 7u bar, I see someone has already added a picture of its underside, but I'll note that _AFAIK_ 86U only uses the innermost stab positions - i.e. 6u spacing. (Why? Because Topre.)

Regarding the font, please don't use anything resembling the Leopold typeface - it's garbage. That's coming from a FC660C owner.

I would suggest to make everything as standard as possible. Topre is weird, and trying to cover all bases and please everyone will just make it even more weird. Personally I would prefer everything to look like Cherry, but that's just me. I'll give you props for attempting this cursed niche of a niche.

Yes, to my knowledge only 86u uses 7u, that's why it didn't make it to the mods kit. That last "compability kit" is basically all the less common layouts (including ISO and JIS) that will have to pool together to exist... It didn't seem fair to have that (expensive) spacebar included in the mods kit given the low demand there has been for 86u in the IC survey.

Noted about the font, your opinion matters and while I tend to agree with you, some people may like it nonetheless. I hope we manage to come up with a design that pleases most!

Thanks for the comments and the nice words :)

86u and 101u are the only ones that require a 7u  :)

**edit SE0200 also

I would kill for 7u spacebars as I don't use standard for anything other than HHKB  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Axariel on Mon, 29 June 2020, 20:25:39
7u space bars are pretty much necessary. Keycaps for the Realforce 101 need an upgrade badly. If I can get JP alphas and texts I will be super happy.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: madhias on Sat, 04 July 2020, 00:18:01
Call me interested, for a 87U.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: izroll on Sat, 04 July 2020, 12:01:43
+1 for dolch or oblivion inspired Topre caps.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Rynxe on Sat, 04 July 2020, 21:10:16
+1 for dolch or oblivion inspired Topre caps.

I second this, in Cherry profile  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Denker88 on Sat, 04 July 2020, 22:39:27
KAT-profile!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: mrvco on Thu, 09 July 2020, 16:45:37
I like to mix and match alphas and modifiers on my HHKB boards (one white, one black), so OEM profile (or whatever stock is called) would be my first preference.  I typically prefer blank or front-side printed alphas.  Depending upon the colorway, I'd probably still order a hi-pro set out of curiosity.

edit: And I expect this would probably be far too limiting, but I've always wanted a set of HHKB keycaps w/ the default Fn layer front-side printed, but blank otherwise.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Suavity on Fri, 10 July 2020, 00:34:46
Interested in this! Submitted the IC form.  ;D

Gradient Colored Blanks in any profile (but OEM) would be fine with me. HHKB & 87U user here.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Capt Shemp on Fri, 10 July 2020, 21:39:49
Really looking for some nice keycaps... I have couple HHKB Professionals and a few more RealForce 86u and I could go for a set of keys or two...
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: arninja21 on Mon, 13 July 2020, 12:19:17
Hipro please
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 13 July 2020, 12:42:43
+1 oem

hipro is an abomination
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: sleepy on Mon, 13 July 2020, 12:55:09
+1 for oem
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: lolkey on Wed, 15 July 2020, 18:37:15
+1 for a stepped caps lock PLEASE
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: dom on Fri, 24 July 2020, 08:59:49
+1 for OEM  ;D (HHKB sets).

Not a fan of the Hi/SA profile at all.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Oni74 on Fri, 24 July 2020, 16:15:11
Really curious to see current survey results - @OP can you perhaps publish it?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: 4Holo on Sun, 26 July 2020, 21:49:23
any news on this
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Sun, 26 July 2020, 21:55:07
I have had a tough time at my job the last couple months but things have gone back to normal a few weeks ago so I am now actively working on it. 3D files are in the works, design will come next. Still some way to go but not giving up!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: 4Holo on Sun, 26 July 2020, 22:16:12
I have had a tough time at my job the last couple months but things have gone back to normal a few weeks ago so I am now actively working on it. 3D files are in the works, design will come next. Still some way to go but not giving up!

Thank you  so much!
how many colors are we expecting to have?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Sun, 26 July 2020, 22:19:29
how many colors are we expecting to have?

MOQ is quite high for quality dye sub unfortunately so I'd guess 2, and that's because I really want to offer a choice... and if we get enough orders we could "unlock" a 3rd color. I haven't worked on the numbers yet but that's the plan I'd like to go by, I'll know more by the next update hopefully!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Rynxe on Tue, 04 August 2020, 07:37:53
I have had a tough time at my job the last couple months but things have gone back to normal a few weeks ago so I am now actively working on it. 3D files are in the works, design will come next. Still some way to go but not giving up!

Stay strong my dude!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: nalgene on Sun, 09 August 2020, 23:57:27
IC form submitted. Would be in for basically anything honestly. FC660C owner but even just extra alphas would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: tacomn on Tue, 27 October 2020, 23:57:12
Would like to buy for my fc660c black. Even just the alphas I would be interested. Is this still in the works?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Wed, 28 October 2020, 00:54:53
Sorry for the lack of updates I have been chasing time lately... The project is still actively in the works, I have found a competent and affordable dye sub manufacturer, the keycap factory has received a Realforce keyboard (Topre isn't common in China), kits have been set (there will be a kit with alphas only), so we are about to produce a test mold before doing all of them, just to check stuff before going GB. Thanks for your patience, sorry for the wait, and YES this is happening!

Regarding design and colors I am now working with a great designer, and the dye sub manu has pretty low MOQ so we may expect to have at least a couple options from the start!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: tacomn on Wed, 28 October 2020, 01:32:47
Great to hear so it will only be for realforce and not something like fc660c? What will the quality be of these caps you figure compared to stock topre? Always hear that most non stock caps happen to be of worse comparative quality.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Wed, 28 October 2020, 01:38:30
Not at all, they just needed original switches to test on. Here are the kit details (https://mailchi.mp/d3f8391059ce/topre-keycaps-update-1-kits) that were sent via the last email update (btw to subscribe to email updates, just fill in the IC form).

We are aiming for quality (afaik most keycap clones so far have been poorly designed), that is 1.5mm thick PBT and "good" dye sub (ie. no bleeding, aligned legends and good looking colors). Stock keycaps are great quality so it's definitely a challenge, but we are on our way to deliver and you'll be the judge!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: noorejji on Wed, 28 October 2020, 09:21:42
We are aiming for quality (afaik most keycap clones so far have been poorly designed), that is 1.5mm thick PBT and "good" dye sub (ie. no bleeding, aligned legends and good looking colors).
Good to hear. My main issue with the Kbdfans keycaps were skewed mounts making them misaligned, so that might be something to watch out for.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: RickVigorous on Sun, 01 November 2020, 09:02:54
form completed - great to hear this is still in the works!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Techichi on Sun, 01 November 2020, 09:38:20
Definitely interested. IC form filled.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: iamtienng on Sun, 01 November 2020, 10:18:18
Yeah I need to replace keycaps for my HHKB
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Auxo on Sun, 01 November 2020, 11:43:29
yes
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: threepscoot on Sun, 01 November 2020, 17:17:27
Yes absolutely

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Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: AristideTorchia on Thu, 05 November 2020, 11:13:01
Does anyone have any idea as to when this is going to happen? It's been a long while now...

And on the visual point, I'd put it in the form already but never hurts to repeat: All the topre keys I've seen, be it original realforce or custom ones, are ugly as f...

Please do produce something that is actually aesthetically pleasing, for the first time in the history of topre caps.

Here's my HHKB with original Brother typewriter hi-pros transplanted for reference of what I'd call beautiful key design:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HHKB/comments/iazi9d/hhkb_hybrid_vintage_70ies_typewriter_caps/
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: directheatedtriode on Thu, 05 November 2020, 12:04:03
Removed
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: avtar on Fri, 06 November 2020, 01:37:31
I'd be in for Cherry profile and some bright coloured sets.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: _PixelNinja on Fri, 06 November 2020, 02:55:34
Personally I would be curious to see thicker caps for Topre.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Ensaum on Sun, 10 January 2021, 13:32:10
Still interested in this. Hope it's not abandoned :(
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Mon, 11 January 2021, 03:20:39
It isn't at all, I was just waiting to have something substantial before sending an email update to all IC subscribers...

The designer is working on preparing some legends, and we ordered a test mold for spacebars (to make sure the stems are good and there is no warping), that I should receive samples of by the end of the month.

The plan is to dispatch some of those samples to a few people so they test the fit on as many brands/models as possible (as I only own a RF88u), and then once we are 100% sure the samples are perfect, we start the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: gautema on Mon, 11 January 2021, 04:12:33
I'm really looking forward to something like this. Interested in everything but blanks
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Xeryn on Sat, 16 January 2021, 17:31:35
A little late but filled out the form! Definitely +1 for hi pro profile, OEM second choice.

Excited to see what colors you end up going with, I will fill out the design form for sure when it's out.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Auxo on Tue, 26 January 2021, 19:08:31
It isn't at all, I was just waiting to have something substantial before sending an email update to all IC subscribers...

The designer is working on preparing some legends, and we ordered a test mold for spacebars (to make sure the stems are good and there is no warping), that I should receive samples of by the end of the month.

The plan is to dispatch some of those samples to a few people so they test the fit on as many brands/models as possible (as I only own a RF88u), and then once we are 100% sure the samples are perfect, we start the GB.

LMK if you're ever able to get any samples of a 7u spacebar created for 84/86u, thats where my money is sitting  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Kookiekurls on Tue, 26 January 2021, 23:58:39
This is desparately needed. Especially for keycap sets for boards other than HHKB. I have the FC980C and there are so few options for keycap sets out there. It would be nice to have more sets that support it.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: thanatic on Wed, 27 January 2021, 00:24:33
Always looking for hipro
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Dyto69 on Wed, 27 January 2021, 07:40:12
WoB would be huge. Classic grey or beige, or some variant of Dolch would be very interesting as well. I’m thirsty for Topre keycaps, but it would have to be better quality than the offerings from KBDfans. The crooked stems are unusable imo, so you would have to prove that you can do better.
Yes i agree with this, im using some KBDFans Keycaps on my 87U right now and i don't really like them, they feel weird and rough, the clack more and wobble more than oem caps
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 28 January 2021, 01:56:04
Filled in IC :)
We desperately need this.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: zalimander on Wed, 14 April 2021, 20:24:06
Any updates? Realize it's been a wild year-plus so not trying to rush anyone, but really excited for this to happen.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: P103 on Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:04:51
In for a cherry profile one.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Tomn on Fri, 28 May 2021, 20:04:00
Super interested in this!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: TjarleN on Thu, 29 July 2021, 04:53:02
ne update avail?
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Thu, 29 July 2021, 06:59:39
Hey thanks for stirring that pot that I have left on the backburner for far too long now.

We have had the mold for spacebars made, to test out the profile and overall quality, it turned out pretty well. We have sent samples to a few testers, including Buddy who runs Unreal Keyboards and reviewed some samples on stream (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/928044676?t=03h08m24s).

Now my problem is that we are running a couple other projects that eat up all the time we have available... I would be open to let someone else run that group buy (preferably someone who has done it before, and knows what to expect) because I honestly don't know when I'll have the bandwidth to do it for TPRX keycaps. If anyone reads it and would be interested to, please DM me here or on Discord kartsims#7647

Otherwise I think that group buy is going to be a few more months away... Sorry guys I know there is some interest for these and am doing my best but I have unfortunately become the bottleneck in this operation.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: vladimir108 on Thu, 29 July 2021, 07:15:46
.... who runs Unreal Keyboards and reviewed some samples on stream (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/928044676?t=03h08m24s). ...


"Sorry. Unless you’ve got a time machine, that content is unavailable." :-(
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Thu, 29 July 2021, 07:20:31
oh ****... sorry I copy pasted the link, I am going to ask him if he has the video saved up somewhere I should have backed it up :/
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: fkcaps on Thu, 29 July 2021, 07:25:33
I've searched online a bit and it seems Twitch videos are usually available for 60 days after being published... and this one dates back to february... I'll post a link here if I can find a backup :/
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Grego on Sun, 03 October 2021, 23:30:23
A little late, just signed up for the IC. For me, black blanks with fn legends on the front would be ideal, but would be willing to front pretty much anything.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Kookiekurls on Mon, 04 October 2021, 02:46:21
We need hipro profile topre caps to be remade. Cherry like profile options even though limited, are there. Kbdfans were working on new hipro keycaps but that project looks to be far off still

There’s options for Cherry profile Topre caps, but almost exclusively only for the HHKB. There are next to no options it feels like for all of the other Topre boards.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: sndb on Sat, 13 November 2021, 01:39:56
Relatively new Topre fan and new believer of the the rubber of cup. Just found this IC and wanted to offer my 2c and support for this endeavor:
Like everyone else, am waiting on the DES 2U & spacebar stabs so I can mount some SP SA sets, MT3, GMK, etc, but my interest in sets of proper Topre caps isn't really diminished by MX sliders. I was just wondering how others felt regarding converting their Topre boards to MX compatible keycap mounts. Personally, I've already got one board's worth of 1U sliders and will get the 2U/stabs when they land, but I'm pretty well certain the expense and effort involved, plus whatever unintended consequences arise from the conversion, that I'm only going to convert one, maybe two of my Topre kb.

That said, the recent KBDfans Lie-pro release was a great step in the right direction, and I'd still be just as interested in throwing money at this project here if it moves forward--regardless of whatever progress may occur with MX slider development.

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We need hipro profile topre caps to be remade. Cherry like profile options even though limited, are there. Kbdfans were working on new hipro keycaps but that project looks to be far off still

There’s options for Cherry profile Topre caps, but almost exclusively only for the HHKB. There are next to no options it feels like for all of the other Topre boards.

Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 01 December 2021, 06:42:20
Wondering if there'll be someone to graciously pick up on this project as fkcaps implied (maybe a vendor like Novelkeys? Or anybody well established for that matter), or if we'll see a revival on this again. Interest in Topre has been rising again as of late with aftermarket cases being available.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: filuwow on Thu, 02 December 2021, 21:46:43
Form filled. GLWIC!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: hbgl on Sun, 12 December 2021, 16:28:31
Submitted the form. I am especially interested in WoB keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Draxion on Sun, 12 December 2021, 17:42:00
Submitted hopes this runs
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: madhias on Tue, 18 January 2022, 21:03:50
Here to see if there are some updates. I got recently KBDfans Topre keycaps for my Realforce and HHKB, which are OK, not perfect, but totally fine to get a fresh new keycap feeling. In the end I am again thinking not soo needed because the OG Topre caps are just perfect.

Anyway high quality GMK style classic caps would be really nice. Thinking of Beige, 9009, Miami Nights, etc. on a Realforce R1 *emojiwithhearts
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: Extra Fox on Tue, 18 January 2022, 22:07:57
Wondering if there'll be someone to graciously pick up on this project as fkcaps implied (maybe a vendor like Novelkeys? Or anybody well established for that matter), or if we'll see a revival on this again. Interest in Topre has been rising again as of late with aftermarket cases being available.
Just quoting for the folks who posted after and might have missed this.
That said, I filled out the IC form for good measure. You never know.
Title: Re: [IC] Topre keycaps
Post by: tngpq on Tue, 18 January 2022, 23:49:13
Since Omnitype is entering the Topre market, wonder if they would offer keycaps as well.