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Title: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 12 March 2014, 03:10:00
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 12 March 2014, 03:10:58
Embrace the shine :O
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: mapple on Wed, 12 March 2014, 03:13:16
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

pics or it didn't happend:D, nah but seriously can you provide some picture? what kind of tape did you used?
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: zeroni13 on Wed, 12 March 2014, 03:23:33
Doesn't sound comfy TBH.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 12 March 2014, 03:34:43
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

pics or it didn't happend:D, nah but seriously can you provide some picture? what kind of tape did you used?

I just used regular Black Masking Tape from the store.

pics and it did happen :-)

(http://i.imgur.com/qWyIAbU.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qWyIAbU)

(http://i.imgur.com/PeOp71g.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PeOp71g)



Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 12 March 2014, 04:11:18
I don't know, may be clear plasti-dip would be less visually intrusive.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 12 March 2014, 04:24:32
I don't know, may be clear plasti-dip would be less visually intrusive.

I know, it looks quite ugly (especially on my HPE 87), but I don't look down at my keyboard as much when I'm typing.
Perhaps I will invest in some plasti-dip, though I've never tried using it before.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 12 March 2014, 06:41:01
Adhesives have strange behaviors over time. I would recommend refreshing this tape regularly.

For example, actual paint "masking" tape is made to be easily removable for some small and finite number of days or weeks, but over a longer period the adhesive will change and petrify and become a nightmare.

At that point, the solvents required to remove it, such as naptha or citrus oil, can be very damaging to plastics.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Wildcard on Wed, 12 March 2014, 07:02:42
I've been using DYMO labeling tape for several years on my spacebars and it's served me well so far.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Folio on Wed, 12 March 2014, 08:34:32
By "black masking tape" do you mean electrical tape? If so, that adhesive is crazy sticky and gunky after long periods.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 12 March 2014, 08:51:47
By "black masking tape" do you mean electrical tape? If so, that adhesive is crazy sticky and gunky after long periods.

Something like this:

(http://embossingtapesupplies.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/l/black_masking_tape.jpg)

But judging from the responses so far, it doesn't seem likely I will be using it for a long time. I think I will just experiment with this for a while and then just learn to embrace the shine.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Hyde on Wed, 12 March 2014, 08:56:14
I always thought people don't like the shine because it looks "ugly".  But I don't think this is a good fix for that.  :P

Unless you only don't like the shine because of the way it feels, then this would work lol.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Folio on Wed, 12 March 2014, 08:58:39
Oh ok I see now :)

It's like painter's tape. Yea. I can see how that would feel nice and textury as opposed to shiny grossness.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Wed, 12 March 2014, 09:03:21
I have three PBT space bars with a nice texture in near white, black and gray, so I think I have the shine issue solved. Hehe! No need for tape, it looks a bit awkward, don't you think?
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Dyslexic on Wed, 12 March 2014, 09:11:17
Honestly with the FC660C with legends I'd be more worried about those fading than the spacebar shining. So glad they had a blank one when I decided to take the plunge.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: histevenhere on Wed, 12 March 2014, 09:24:43
Doesn't the tape leave a sticky residue after an extended period of use? o.o
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: daerid on Wed, 12 March 2014, 09:41:32
I wouldn't use masking tape. After a while the adhesive becomes a serious pain to remove. Personally I just used plain ol' scotch tape on my RealForce and FC660C. Didn't alter the feel that much (don't use the glossy tape, but the matte kind), and since it's clear it doesn't alter the look of the board.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: niubio on Wed, 12 March 2014, 09:46:40
Hmmm... I don't know if I have solution for you guys... But there's a thing called "structural paint". A year ago or so I've been experimenting with a cracked case restoration - it was a sorry excuse for a keyboard called Art classica. The case wasn't chipped - it was CRACKED, like someone smashed the top with his fist, just above the LED section (maybe he/she was angry about this crappy rubber dome).

Well anyway, I used Methyl-Ethyl-Ketone to dissolve plastic - "fused" everything back together - and wet-sanded it to a glossy finish. Well, that was easy... Unfortunately the surface was shiny as my dog's balls. I tried various combinations - tried to soften the surface with MEK and then apply gentle pressure with sandpaper or steel wool. And then I've bought an airbrush - tried to brush the surface with MEK - I thought maybe it will create some sort of an uniform effect. This was not the case - MEK evaporated before reaching the surface :) Well, it's a solvent, what were you thinking niubio...

Anyway, I watched dozens of videos about... car cockpit restoration. You know, it happens from time to time to scratch it with a knife ;) Those videos were promotional stuff for expensive as F$%K "restoration sets" manufactured in Germany - $300 per set - with different "granulation" (you could choose between fine and coarse, a whole spectrum). I wondered what the hell are they using? It cannot be anything "special", you just have to think for yourself a little :) Like how do they make a matte finish on regular boards in the first place?

Long story short, during my ~1 month research I was typing in the wrong word into google search engine: it was "facture" (in polish: faktura) instead of "structure" (in polish: struktura). Now that quickly led me to some interesting results and PRICES! :) I've bought a 500ml spray canister of transparent "structural paint" for 10zlotych (~3 bucks), sprayed it inside my airbrush and guess what... IT WORKED!

(http://utensilia.tk/urzadzenia/art_classica_ak-45sb/2.jpg)

Like I've said before, the area above LED section was smashed/glossy (1500 wet sanded). You can alter granulation of the structure with the distance between your airbrush and the surface. And don't even think about applying it directly from the can - you will end up with a mess.

Paint takes a while to dry, so my wild guess is that it is based on epoxy - and that means it is mechanically resistant (contrary to acrylic paints)
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: drinkbleach on Wed, 12 March 2014, 10:07:54
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

I did this to my leopold  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42825.330 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42825.330)

Doesn't the tape leave a sticky residue after an extended period of use? o.o

I have been using for about a month and have just taken it off. There was no glue residue at all. I still washed it with soapy water and it is like brand new

The great thing is that the the standard masking tape width is the exact size of the spacebar to cover the top and front exactly!

I have seen other boards with clear tape on them, but for black spacebars this little tape is a great way to avoid getting the ABS from getting smooth and shiny. Cheap black masking tape FTW!

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Wed, 12 March 2014, 12:17:18
Niubio restoration looks very cool. I think it may be a way to recover some supershine caps to black state.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: kansas city shuffle on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:09:42
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

Over time isn't the tape going to wear down and leave behind the stick residue below that? Then what? Keep layering on the tape?  :-\
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:13:23
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

Over time isn't the tape going to wear down and leave behind the stick residue below that? Then what? Keep layering on the tape?  :-\


And the residue will melt the plastic  :-\ .  :))
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: drinkbleach on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:27:25
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

Over time isn't the tape going to wear down and leave behind the stick residue below that? Then what? Keep layering on the tape?  :-\


And the residue will melt the plastic  :-\ .  :))

I don't know if masking(painters) tape glue is that powerful to melt plastic. But who knows only time will tell. I have read other members having tape on their space bar for years . Must be some type of organic non-toxic glue .

I know, maybe just wear gloves to keep those pad printed keys pretty ;)
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:35:33
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

Over time isn't the tape going to wear down and leave behind the stick residue below that? Then what? Keep layering on the tape?  :-\


And the residue will melt the plastic  :-\ .  :))

I don't know if masking(painters) tape glue is that powerful to melt plastic. But who knows only time will tell. I have read other members having tape on their space bar for years . Must be some type of organic non-toxic glue .

I know, maybe just wear gloves to keep those pad printed keys pretty ;)


I was just joking, by no means the adhesive of a removable tape will melt plastic, it does not have any solvent, but sorry for the sarcasm.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: drinkbleach on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:40:32
Ok, so I saw another user here put some black masking tape on their spacebar for their Leopold FC660C because he didn't want it to get shiny.
So, I decided to do the same to mine and I loved it so much, that I did it to all my spacebars. It feels sort of warm and inviting to my thumbs, and has a nice texture.

Just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who first did this.

THANKS YOU  :thumb:

Over time isn't the tape going to wear down and leave behind the stick residue below that? Then what? Keep layering on the tape?  :-\


And the residue will melt the plastic  :-\ .  :))

I don't know if masking(painters) tape glue is that powerful to melt plastic. But who knows only time will tell. I have read other members having tape on their space bar for years . Must be some type of organic non-toxic glue .

I know, maybe just wear gloves to keep those pad printed keys pretty ;)


I was just joking, by no means the adhesive of a removable tape will melt plastic, it does not have any solvent, but sorry for the sarcasm.

Heheheh np. Just I have seen some tape, like that clear packing tape leave insane residue and almost look like it could melt plastic over time !!!
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Folio on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:53:48
Heheheh np. Just I have seen some tape, like that clear packing tape leave insane residue and almost look like it could melt plastic over time !!!

I know what you're saying. I've seen it where it looks like it's almost as if it's become a part of the plastic. Not even citrus oil can remove it.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:54:49
Heheheh np. Just I have seen some tape, like that clear packing tape leave insane residue and almost look like it could melt plastic over time !!!

I know what you're saying. I've seen it where it looks like it's almost as if it's become a part of the plastic. Not even citrus oil can remove it.


Packing and masking tapes have very different adhesives.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: PointyFox on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:59:35
Instead of making it shiny he made it sticky.  :rolleyes:
Also this is like mega-OCD.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ditzo on Thu, 13 March 2014, 15:01:14
Heheheh np. Just I have seen some tape, like that clear packing tape leave insane residue and almost look like it could melt plastic over time !!!

I know what you're saying. I've seen it where it looks like it's almost as if it's become a part of the plastic. Not even citrus oil can remove it.


Packing and masking tapes have very different adhesives.

yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Folio on Thu, 13 March 2014, 15:03:47
yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan

Welcome to GH ditzo!
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ditzo on Thu, 13 March 2014, 15:10:34
yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan

Welcome to GH ditzo!

appreciated, you kindness is. learn ger you must. talk like me you will then.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 March 2014, 15:13:13
yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan

Welcome to GH ditzo!

appreciated, you kindness is. learn ger you must. talk like me you will then.


After 3 posts you are warmly welcome.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Folio on Thu, 13 March 2014, 15:14:13
yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan

Welcome to GH ditzo!

appreciated, you kindness is. learn ger you must. talk like me you will then.

I can already tell that you'll fit in here just fine, and that we are going to be good buds  :D
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: drinkbleach on Thu, 13 March 2014, 15:32:09
yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan

Welcome to GH ditzo!

appreciated, you kindness is. learn ger you must. talk like me you will then.

I can already tell that you'll fit in here just fine, and that we are going to be good buds  :D

Welcome ditzo and "May the ReAlforce be with you"
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: mapple on Thu, 13 March 2014, 18:00:26
yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan

Welcome to GH ditzo!

appreciated, you kindness is. learn ger you must. talk like me you will then.

I can already tell that you'll fit in here just fine, and that we are going to be good buds  :D

could you please do me a favour and record even for 30 seconds how it looks to typo 242 wpm? i mean obviously switches got hard time and keycaps are overheating but how the hell you achieved that?
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 March 2014, 18:01:54
yes yes. must not adhesives mix, young padawan

Welcome to GH ditzo!

appreciated, you kindness is. learn ger you must. talk like me you will then.

I can already tell that you'll fit in here just fine, and that we are going to be good buds  :D

could you please do me a favour and record even for 30 seconds how it looks to typo 242 wpm? i mean obviously switches got hard time and keycaps are overheating but how the hell you achieved that?


I'd like to see it as well. Just to have something to share with friends: Hey come to see these fingers flying over qwertysh...
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Folio on Thu, 13 March 2014, 18:40:19
could you please do me a favour and record even for 30 seconds how it looks to typo 242 wpm? i mean obviously switches got hard time and keycaps are overheating but how the hell you achieved that?

I'd like to see it as well. Just to have something to share with friends: Hey come to see these fingers flying over qwertysh...

I knew this day would come. I might record this feat at some point with my phone just to satiate the minds of the curious (and to stop causing threads to trail off topic which would probably lead to cease and desist PMs from dorkvader to take my sig down)  ;)

But yea. Another day. But the day will come. Keep a look out. Also, congrats ideus on 1k posts!  :)
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 March 2014, 21:18:55
could you please do me a favour and record even for 30 seconds how it looks to typo 242 wpm? i mean obviously switches got hard time and keycaps are overheating but how the hell you achieved that?

I'd like to see it as well. Just to have something to share with friends: Hey come to see these fingers flying over qwertysh...

I knew this day would come. I might record this feat at some point with my phone just to satiate the minds of the curious (and to stop causing threads to trail off topic which would probably lead to cease and desist PMs from dorkvader to take my sig down)  ;)

But yea. Another day. But the day will come. Keep a look out. Also, congrats ideus on 1k posts!  :)


Oh my, yeah I have reached 1k. TY. Please post that video, You should place the camera to see those words appearing like magic in the screen, while your fingers are floating over the board...
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: daerid on Thu, 13 March 2014, 23:23:36
BROS, I'm telling you:

(http://i.imgur.com/YCA1HeZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: morpheus on Thu, 13 March 2014, 23:41:32
BROS, I'm telling you:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YCA1HeZ.jpg)


Sup bro, this is awesome bro!
Clear tape makes perfect sense bro!
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 13 March 2014, 23:42:13
Hmmm... I don't know if I have solution for you guys... But there's a thing called "structural paint".
[snip]

Thanks for this!  Something new to research.  I've added a link to your post in the Keyboard Painting (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44191) compilation thread.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Fri, 14 March 2014, 09:27:59
This thread is very informative. Should it be in other subforum? Let say in DIY for example?
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: aref on Fri, 14 March 2014, 16:43:40
I use black electrical friction tape, which has a rough, friction, rather than smooth-and-glossy surface. I've changed it a couple
times on a CMQFR I have. The adhesive has not affected the black plastic space bar. When I change the tape, rare as it is, I
clean the space with Bestine (solvent/thinner--a holdover from my days in publishing; used it to clean mechanicals before the
days of 'desktop' publishing). Bestine solvent has no noticeable affect on the ABS space bar. I experimented with Bestine on
key caps with legends, and, again, it's had no affect on printed caps' legends. I buy the product from an art-supply store. I
tried black duct tape, but I didn't care for the tape's smooth feel and was uncertain about the action of the tape's strong
adhesive on ABS.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: davkol on Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:47:02
could you please do me a favour and record even for 30 seconds how it looks to typo 242 wpm? i mean obviously switches got hard time and keycaps are overheating but how the hell you achieved that?

I'd like to see it as well. Just to have something to share with friends: Hey come to see these fingers flying over qwertysh...

Guys, maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internets... remember, what Abraham Lincoln said...

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you never know if they are genuine.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: blackbox on Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:35:41
could you please do me a favour and record even for 30 seconds how it looks to typo 242 wpm? i mean obviously switches got hard time and keycaps are overheating but how the hell you achieved that?

I'd like to see it as well. Just to have something to share with friends: Hey come to see these fingers flying over qwertysh...

Guys, maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internets... remember, what Abraham Lincoln said...

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you never know if they are genuine.



Yup, yet another wise quote from Abraham about the internet.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:50:52
could you please do me a favour and record even for 30 seconds how it looks to typo 242 wpm? i mean obviously switches got hard time and keycaps are overheating but how the hell you achieved that?

I'd like to see it as well. Just to have something to share with friends: Hey come to see these fingers flying over qwertysh...

Guys, maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internets... remember, what Abraham Lincoln said...

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you never know if they are genuine.



Yup, yet another wise quote from Abraham about the internet.


Was Mr. Lincoln a touch typist?  :))
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: niubio on Thu, 27 March 2014, 05:52:45
Thanks for this!  Something new to research.  I've added a link to your post in the Keyboard Painting (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44191) compilation thread.

Hey, that's nice! :) Hope it'll help someone, but there's a lot of research to be done, as I've said before - only tried it ONCE. I restore old boards mostly so I rarely pull out my brush lately :) Anyway, that's a cool thread! I'll try to paint a board or two someday! :)
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: ideus on Thu, 27 March 2014, 09:02:53
After months of use my PBT space bars have not lost any texture. I know there is no PBT bars for all the boards, but just want to let you know that PBT is an option to prevent wear.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 03 April 2014, 19:14:39
After months of use my PBT space bars have not lost any texture. I know there is no PBT bars for all the boards, but just want to let you know that PBT is an option to prevent wear.

Let me know when you find Topre friendly PBT spacebars... I'll buy a 1000 and make a fortune selling them.
Title: Re: Black Masking Tape on Spacebar
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 03 April 2014, 19:15:46
could you do a stem swap?