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Offline Adqam64

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Who says you've missed out?  There will be extras once it's fulfilled.

Offline Mecxs

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From Taylor, who runs Aeternus, today.

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Taylor: @everyone

Good afternoon everyone, I will try to keep this brief without failing to address anything.

I haven't returned bearing much good news, but these are announcements that must be made.

Operations

First off, I would like to state that @dededecline, @Dingus, and @austin | ocm will no longer be handling Aeternus operations. I have taken over operations once again thanks to their combined concerted efforts helping me get back on top of things. Please do not attempt to message them for assistance as they will just refer you back to the Aeternus server, or me directly.

Group Buys

Regretfully at this time I no longer have enough funds to fulfill all of the outstanding Aeternus group buys. It is not a small sum, but I plan to inject the necessary money in order to fulfill them all. I don't have a specific timeline on when I will be able to bring all group buys to a close, but I do not intend to abandon them. That has never been my intention.

I will provide as itemized a list as I can of outstanding tasks for all outstanding group buys after making this announcement.

I understand that this is probably very upsetting news for a lot of people, and I will do my best to accommodate any and all participants.

I also understand that some of the group buy updates may differ from the last reported update. Unfortunately a lot of my management was done during a very hectic time and I was mistaken on the obligations that I had provided updates on.

Please review the #updates channel (will be created shortly after this announcement) for an up-to-date status on all group buys and in-stock items.

In-stock Items

Current in-stock item orders will be shipping out as soon as logistically possible. I will provide updates on those shipments as things progress.

Aeternus Server

In an effort to consolidate communication, I will be making all channels read-only with the exception of a couple general-purpose channels. As I understand there will be outstanding questions/comments in these channels, I will do my best to answer them all and refer any members who require further discussion to the new channels.

Future

Given the current reputation of Aeternus, and myself, I don't intend to run any more group buys as an individual. I will be closing out my outstanding obligations and then returning to being simply a member of the hobby. Any projects that I worked on exclusively will be fully open sourced so that replacement parts, or group buys run by another party, can be done more easily. Regarding any projects where I collaborated with other community members, I will attempt to come to an agreement with them on open-sourcing my contributions to said project, or potentially the project as a whole.

Miscellaneous

I want to thank @dededecline, @Dingus, and @austin | ocm for being very helpful in this difficult time and helping me evaluate the situation.

I will do my best to get through my DMs with everyone in a timely manner, and I will be keeping an eye on the Aeternus channels for any questions or comments. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions, comments, or concerns. I will answer your questions to the best of my ability.

From Hedgey, today.

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Hedgey - NEHTBA: Okay, here it goes:

@Oceanographer , apologies for the ping earlier this afternoon with no information.  I was actually on mobile when my jaw hit the floor in sheer bewilderment and almost disgusting expectation after Taylor’s message in the Aeternus server.  I wanted to get ahead of the message and let you all know that I saw it, but was rather busy at the time to make a formal announcement on my end.

What happened:

Taylor made the announcement today that he has no money for outstanding GBs or any other projects associated with Aeternus.  This includes Oceanographer.  DeDe, OCM, and Dingus have stepped away again and Taylor has made it clear that he now has to find the money to complete the outstanding GBs, if that even has a chance of happening.

It has also come to light that many of the projects in which money was collected, were never actually ordered.  Including Oceanographer PCBs.  I was lied to repeatedly while Taylor said he ordered PCBs, or they were en route, or some other excuse when he hadn’t done anything at all.  I was strung along and when I confronted him about the money back in October, he said “I have the money, and since it seems like it’s a concern I’ll get to the bank today so it’s deposited.” That was regarding the hardware for Ocean like knobs, Encoders, and OLEDs.

What this means going forward:

The good news is that in some regards I was prepared for dealing with this bull**** if it was actually true.  Evan and I have been communicating behind the scenes with the “In case of emergency, break glass scenario”.  Because I actually have everything physical except the PCBs and FR4 plates, I’m not totally screwed.  I actually only, at a minimum, need the Shopify list of buyers and addresses to get these boards to their respective buyers.

Taylor promised today after his announcement in the Aeternus server, in a separate DM, that he would get me over the PCB files and the Shopify lists tonight.  Unfortunately AS MUCH AS THIS ACTUALLY BENEFITS HIM, I don’t have any faith it will happen.  But I will need to be patient and see if he can get me them as promised.

However, if he can’t get the PCB files over to me, Evan is going to help design a PCB with the layouts for Ocean and we will get these ordered officially and have them shipped directly to me.  I am not quite prepared to spend the money necessary to complete this GB but it has to happen as I have until Mid-March before my 2nd child arrives and I will be out of pocket for a few weeks.  I fully expect to spend close to $8K of my own money to complete a project that was supposed to be something amazing, but that I’ve soured on tremendously as have others.

I’m incredibly sorry to those who have been patiently waiting for this board and it’s a reminder to me, and others that sometimes people can’t be trusted.  Taylor collected almost $90K for Oceanographer and it’s all gone.  IT’S. ALL. ****ING. GONE.

I can promise you this, however.  I am not going anywhere and I WILL see this project to completion.  I have not left, and I will not leave.  I like this hobby too much and I put my hard, hard effort into my first keyboard design. I cannot see it fail.  Hell I haven’t even been able to use my own board because I don’t even have a PCB myself.

I know it’s a lot to ask for you all to continue to trust that this will happen.  Just know that I truly have your best interest at heart.  Know that as much as I can come off as an ******* sometimes, I have not given anyone any reason to doubt that I can pull this off.  It’s going to take a collaborative effort (as it has already) and I am in for the challenge.  A big thank you to @Trashman @BigDan  @mike and anyone else who has helped behind the scenes so far.  Also shout out to @mirari for his guidance as well.

TL;DR - There are no PCBs and the money for the PCBs has been embezzled / lost / mismanaged / spent on cocaine. Hedgey has committed to finding a solution, and had been planning for this eventuality, but it's not going to happen overnight. With some patience, the plan is still full delivery of this GB.

There are more details in the discord and Hedgey's answering lots of questions there if anyone needs more info. But for now, will be a waiting game to see what options are available to help move forward.
« Last Edit: Fri, 20 January 2023, 18:36:30 by Mecxs »

Offline Hedgey

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From Taylor, who runs Aeternus, today.

From Hedgey, today.


Thank you Mecxs.
"Resellers don't kill the community, auctioneers kill the community. Look at what happened to Diablo 3"

We appreciate the update, despite the tragedy of the situation.

Hedgey for president!

Offline of_sam

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One of the 40's moments of all time.
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Offline antsinyourpants

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Thank you so much for the update. You hear about this happening in the community but you never think it's going to happen to you. Does anybody have a link to the Discord channel Hedgey is posting in please?

Offline Mecxs

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Thank you so much for the update. You hear about this happening in the community but you never think it's going to happen to you. Does anybody have a link to the Discord channel Hedgey is posting in please?

To be clear, at the current stage this is mostly happening "to" Hedgey and Jae at Prototypist. They're the ones taking the hit. GB members are simply experiencing yet another delayed GB in a hobby that treats waiting like an Olympic sport.

That said, discord link is here (navigate to Oceanographer channel in 'Post-GB') - https://discord.gg/40percent

Most recent update from the channel (25 Jan) is below.

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Hedgey - NEHTBA: @Oceanographer

I just spent time with Jae on a call to outline what's needed and here is where we stand:

1. @Jae | J-04 only if i get minimod  will be handling the organization of ordering PCBs and getting the logistics handled so that we both receive what we need.
2. Jae and his team will be also organizing communications between myself and his team internally to make sure nothing is missed and each group (North America, International) have everything to move on to shipping.
3. Tentative timeline based on LNY and availability of the manufacturers is to aim for Mid-March for PCBs to arrive and start prepping for shipment.  Again this is tentative and pending how fast PCBs are manu'd and other tasks complete.

More information soon, but I know I'm in good hands with Jae, and please make sure you thank him when you get a chance!

There's obviously a lot of drama and acrimony available if you want to go trawling through discord logs. I'd recommend against it - none of it is especially interesting. The bottom line is that Ocean is still on track to be a great board - I think that's the best thing to focus on in the current situation.

Offline Kokaloo

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There's obviously a lot of drama and acrimony available if you want to go trawling through discord logs. I'd recommend against it - none of it is especially interesting.

how dare you 40's drama is obviously the most interesting in the hobby otherwise you wouldn't be writing walls of text about it

Offline Mecxs

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None of it will make my Ocean come faster, though =(

Offline Hedgey

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None of it will make my Ocean come faster, though =(

I am sad that I haven't been able to deliver sooner, but I think we're in good hands now.

Also thank you for adding updates here.  I legitimately forget to add them and I appreciate the copy/paste you do to keep anyone else informed!
"Resellers don't kill the community, auctioneers kill the community. Look at what happened to Diablo 3"

Offline Hedgey

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Latest Update:

1. Jae ordered a set of test PCBs to confirm the new schematics work and fit in the oceanographer cases
2. His team will be receiving them soon and I will be sending over a case for them to build/test fit.
3. Once confirmed, Jae will be doing the entire order for all of the PCBs ASAP.
4. I will be going through the Shopify list of customers soon and sending out an email to start confirming new addresses for those that moved as well as anyone who still has the same one.

Apologies for the lengthy delay on getting PCBs, but I agree with Jae's team that getting a test PCB of a new design was the right choice before a full order was committed.  I will have more information soon hopefully.

Thanks!
"Resellers don't kill the community, auctioneers kill the community. Look at what happened to Diablo 3"

Thank you for the update :)

Offline antsinyourpants

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Does anybody know what the Oceanographer's PCB thickness is i.e. 1.2mm or 1.6mm?

Offline Mecxs

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Original GB was run before 1.2mm PCBs were a thing, so would have been designed with 1.6mm.

That said, after Taylor exit scammed the PCBs had to be reordered (and ?redesigned). I assume that no changes to thickness were made. Unless Hedgey or Jae say otherwise I would assume that they stuck with the original plan for 1.6mm.

Offline antsinyourpants

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Original GB was run before 1.2mm PCBs were a thing, so would have been designed with 1.6mm.

That said, after Taylor exit scammed the PCBs had to be reordered (and ?redesigned). I assume that no changes to thickness were made. Unless Hedgey or Jae say otherwise I would assume that they stuck with the original plan for 1.6mm.

Awesome! Thank you so much.