[IC] DCS White on Black

[ankit]

GB thread

DCS White on Black

IC FORM

Why?
It’s white-on-black, there’s no inspiration. Gorton modified legends are cool. ABS DCS feels/sounds nice. The one that is sold on PMK as in stock has some pretty bad kitting. LaserCrafter and I like DCS and WOB. That’s pretty much it.

Kitting

*all spacebars in this kit are concave

Colors
All stock DCS colors:
- White (WFK)
- Black (NN)
- Red (REL)
- Green (VV)
- Blue (BGA)

I basically bought a bunch of color chips from SP and these are the colors I liked best. Here's a photo of what they look like next to some recent sets for comparison (GMK Perestroika, GMK Nuclear Data, and GMK Deep Navy)

Pricing & Vendors

Pricing: Aiming for $115 Basekit in the US, other kits and international pricing TBD.

More

We want this set to be as cheap as possible. (110-120 USD) Based on IC form feedback, we will decide a reasonable MOQ for each of the child kits. Due to SP’s pricing breakdown, it doesn’t really make sense to run this kit at less than 200 MOQ. Please fill out the IC form as this is how we will be able to get the most accurate pricing to begin with. There are lots of other in-stock WOB sets that with would have to run against so getting high MOQs will be difficult. We have gotten our first round of quotes from SP but some kitting adjustments have been made since then, we are currently waiting on our second round of quotes. We will not be taking any sort designer cuts or royalties in hopes of getting this kit made as cheaply as possible.

Vendors:

US - ThocKeys
EU - eloquentclicks
SEA - Hex Keyboard
MEA - SandKeys
OCE - allcaps
JP - Basekeys
SK - SwagKeys
CA - ApexKeyboards
CN - zFrontier
UK - Hand Engineering

Board renders
Boards in order: Safa, Cypher, Routemaster

Special thanks
Laur#9706 for the cool renders (commissions are open)
Blacksimone for being our favorite biggest thoccer
Neely, Hali, mcmcmc, and a couple others for helping out with kitting
Ash; for helping with 40s, rgb kit colors, and just being a very based person in general.
#1 daddy hiney, I hope you come back with the milk some day
Puddsy for being puddsy

My discord server
LaserCrafter’s discord server

IC FORM

[ankit]

Reserved for updates and changelog!

As of 26 May 2022:

Vendors decided.
Pricing still TBD.
GB dates still TBD.

Kitting changes:
- Added 1.75 R3 enter to 40s
Changes not yet reflected in renders: (will be fixed soonish): ALL CHANGES REFLECTED IN KITTING RENDERS
- Added R4 pipe to extensions kit
- Added R1 = to extensions kit
- Swtiched Codes in base to Supers

Considering:
- NorDE kit
- CYMW

[BasedCoper]

DCS WoB already exists though? Why even despite the kitting being meh

edit: ive been converted

[plag]

I LOVE BAE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! very excited for this! count me in!

[onedrunkman]

  very nice

[kyuut]

might be better to just run the child kits. while the pricing for WoB on PMK isn't great, i'd assume most people would rather buy from them than waiting for a GB.
edit: just remembered SP hasn't stocked the 7u spacebar and mods for months now, i guess this might be good after all

[LaserCrafter]

poggies

[BasedCoper]

might be better to just run the child kits. while the pricing for WoB on PMK isn't great, i'd assume most people would rather buy from them than waiting for a GB.

I agree. Also having to wait prob 1 year to get WoB considering SP is slowing down A LOT when you can get it instock hurts a lot. Only major upgrade is kitting, with Wyse legends being a sidegrade and entirely preferential, but idk if id say that's worth it.

[elvenmonster]

I really like the extensions kit.

[MIGHTY CHICKEN]

ne 6u avail? 

[ankit]

SP 6u mounting points are non-standard so there's no point adding them. I'm also pretty bummed about that because of some 6u HHKBs coming out soon but it is what it is.

[Sandy]

SP 6u mounting points are non-standard so there's no point adding them. I'm also pretty bummed about that because of some 6u HHKBs coming out soon but it is what it is.

I was not aware of that that's really unfortunate. I am excited for 6u stuff too! I'm in for relegendables though. Hoping this runs

[MIGHTY CHICKEN]

SP 6u mounting points are non-standard so there's no point adding them. I'm also pretty bummed about that because of some 6u HHKBs coming out soon but it is what it is.

absolutely sobbing and devastated right now

[herbologist]

might be better to just run the child kits. while the pricing for WoB on PMK isn't great, i'd assume most people would rather buy from them than waiting for a GB.

I agree. Also having to wait prob 1 year to get WoB considering SP is slowing down A LOT when you can get it instock hurts a lot. Only major upgrade is kitting, with Wyse legends being a sidegrade and entirely preferential, but idk if id say that's worth it.

The legending and kitting is enough for me to want it, personally.

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[cruelworld]

big stepper kitting very in

[rookb]

Kitting renders show Pg up, pg dn, prtsc, pause, but the board renders show page up, page down, printscreen, pause break.

Which will it be?

[ankit]

Kitting renders are correct, will update as soon as I can. Thanks for catching that Roo.

[rookb]

Kitting renders are correct, will update as soon as I can. Thanks for catching that Roo.

no problem treeleaf

[spedywin]

basic and good glwic

[Bunn3y]

I love WWoB, thanks ankit and the biggest weeb for making this :BiggestWeeb:

[mason.]

litty

[LaserCrafter]

I love WWoB, thanks ankit and the biggest weeb for making this :BiggestWeeb:

i'm not the biggest weeb

[caap]

nice kitting, will definitely join 

[linell]

I'm definitely cheap enough to wait a while for some lower pricing
glad this is in good hands: my favorite cuck and weeb 

[geonworks]

love it

[ankit]

this can't be happening

[senbae]

lfgggg

[Fraaaan]

It would be a good idea to mention that DCS shortbars are all concave. They're not spacebars, they're basically blank Shifts.

Other than that, this would make more sense as a child kit GB because SP continuously stocks DCS WoB on PMK.

GLWIC.

[zhol]

move 4-key to 40's kit? otherwise it feels like it'd be at risk of dying due to 40's demand being split
also, go slugs

[Lysol_]

Nice to see tbh since pmk hasn't restocked the damn 7u kit for wob in a long ass time. Also nice for proper 65% on dcs wob.

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[puggo69]

cool

[herbologist]

I love WWoB, thanks ankit and the biggest weeb for making this :BiggestWeeb:

i'm not the biggest weeb

Yes you are.

:Incriminatingevidence:

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[AASH]

move 4-key to 40's kit? otherwise it feels like it'd be at risk of dying due to 40's demand being split
also, go slugs

Hey, I was the 40s referee. Basically, due to quotes we moved to the same approach as DCS Sol-Dark, where there's guaranteed support in the base kit and extra in a separate kit. Makes sure at least some support makes it through MOQ. Also reduces the price for a fair share of users. I hope that makes sense to you.

[nlbh]

RGB and extension kits are lit

[Puddsy]

poggers

[Leviathan]

WOB WOB!

Nice dark RGB mods.

GL!

[finalarcadia]

Anyone who mentions that it's available in PMK has not seen the horrible kitting that's actually available.

I am so in for this. Please give us a CMYW kit as well.

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[Juan.]

this is so good, i like it, thank you for 40s base, if this makes it into gb at a good price i am in, also this is good, also run this with sandkeys, also i want one, did i mention that i wanted one? thanks, i want one.

[Rob27shred]

Anyone who mentions that it's available in PMK has not seen the horrible kitting that's actually available.

I am so in for this. Please give us a CMYW kit as well.

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Not to mention on top of the terrible kitting on PMK, they rarely have all the kits for DCS WoB & BoW in stock at the same time.

[MattVortex]

The extensions kit is missing R4 \| for full UK ISO support.

Any chance you could change to the cherry font? 

[linell]

The extensions kit is missing R4 \| for full UK ISO support.

Any chance you could change to the cherry font? 

the point is that it's in gorton
if you want cherry on dcs just get wob from keebsforall lole oof no iso
learn to enjoy gorton
let it embrace you 

[XiXora]

Keys missing for me:

Ext kit: r4 pipe key, r1 =
40s: 1.75u R3 enter
spacebars: 1.25u

[hineybush]

yes

[BasedCoper]

The extensions kit is missing R4 \| for full UK ISO support.

Any chance you could change to the cherry font? 

No, Wyse is better.

[Akele]

The extensions kit is missing R4 \| for full UK ISO support.

Any chance you could change to the cherry font? 

Yes, it'd be good to full UK ISO support via the extensions kit. Happy to see this in Gorton font.

[treeleaf64]

The dogger and the pogger are my favorite animals

The cat and the pat are nice to pet

but the best one of all is the Mr Icac, a green froggy sleeping in the roots of the tree

[LaserCrafter]

I love WWoB, thanks ankit and the biggest weeb for making this :BiggestWeeb:

i'm not the biggest weeb

Yes you are.

:Incriminatingevidence:

no i'm not

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[SwitchKeys]

DCS WOB in-stocks are also a thing. Checkout https://keyboardtreehouse.com/collections/in-stock/products/dcs-wob-base-kit and https://keyboardtreehouse.com/collections/in-stock/products/dcs-wob-extensions for those who don't want to wait a year.

[herbologist]

DCS WOB in-stocks are also a thing. Checkout https://keyboardtreehouse.com/collections/in-stock/products/dcs-wob-base-kit and https://keyboardtreehouse.com/collections/in-stock/products/dcs-wob-extensions for those who don't want to wait a year.

It's been mentioned before. The kitting alone is worth running it, and Gorton is lit.

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[Backspace2]

Cool! 

[blowmage]

Apple mod kit plz.

[ankit]

Apple mod kit plz.

No

[LegendsWorks]

Looking good!, Consider a alternative alphas kit like hangul.

GLWIC!

[FiEND]

looks great especially the dark rgb. def going all in on this when it hits GB!

[treeleaf64]

I love WWoB, thanks ankit and the biggest weeb for making this :BiggestWeeb:

i'm not the biggest weeb

Yes you are.

:Incriminatingevidence:

no i'm not

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The biggest weeb

[LaserCrafter]

I love WWoB, thanks ankit and the biggest weeb for making this :BiggestWeeb:

i'm not the biggest weeb

Yes you are.

:Incriminatingevidence:

no i'm not

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The biggest weeb

this is very wrong

[treeleaf64]

The biggest weeb

this is very right

The biggest weeb said it himself  He is the biggest weeb and the weeb.

[ankit]

Can I just have one serious geekhack thread please. Just this one.

[LaserCrafter]

The biggest weeb

this is very wrong

He is not the biggest weeb and not a weeb.

thank you treeleaf for agreeing that i am not a weeb

[kameron]

this is a very good set but i would like to see more weeb things incorporated in order to please the masses

[linell]

pls add weeb kit to compensate for low sales

[subieboobies]

definitely think it's worth running for the kitting alone, vim kit makes me horny

very interested

[Puddsy]

Can I just have one serious geekhack thread please. Just this one.

mess with the ****posters get the treeleaf

[Xury46]

I'm 100% for that big-ass enter! This set looks absolutely perfect!

[derpturtle]

vim arrows are cool and all but what about hhkb arrows hahaha jkjk... unless?

[ankit]

vim arrows are cool and all but what about hhkb arrows hahaha jkjk... unless?

Honestly would love to do HHKB arrows as well as I go between the two personally but even VIM arrows aren't that popular. It will probably have to be one of the first sets to be dropped.


Also vendors on board so far:
MEA - SandKeys
EU - eloquentclicks

Hoping to run this after Vert and Windbreaker? Pretty concerned about hitting MOQ with how DCS Mountaineering sales are going right now.

[ch0i]

bless up

[zuiKatsu]

hand it over, i need it

[kiwoli]

Hoping to run this after Vert and Windbreaker? Pretty concerned about hitting MOQ with how DCS Mountaineering sales are going right now.

I don't think you need to worry too much, I would say Mountaineering not reaching MOQ is pushing through to GB without addressing feedback from the IC.
Even though DCS WoB might already exist, this kitting is more comprehensive, lower GB prices is also a factor in your favour.

GLWIC

[BasedCoper]

Hoping to run this after Vert and Windbreaker? Pretty concerned about hitting MOQ with how DCS Mountaineering sales are going right now.

I don't think you need to worry too much, I would say Mountaineering not reaching MOQ is pushing through to GB without addressing feedback from the IC.
Even though DCS WoB might already exist, this kitting is more comprehensive, lower GB prices is also a factor in your favour.

GLWIC

DCS Mountaineering was scuffed asf. Looked like a set that could've been great, especially if it was all one color, specifically all the color of the alphas. Unfortunate because def woulda been a cop if it hadn't been for the modifiers. The more I look at this, however, the more I want it ngl. At first, was VERY skeptical, but heavily considering picking up extras for this if it does run

[blur410]

Looks like this could be a good set if I cant get my hands on JTK Griseanne. Will keep my eyes peeled for this.

[Darthbaggins]

Any chances for a CMY kit for this?

[ankit]

Any chances for a CMY kit for this?

I'll think about this but no plans for this at the moment.

[ideus]

Is there any chance for Signature Plastics to produce a Nordy kit?
In the kitting of the base set, some keycaps belong to the 40s better, and you may move them to the 40s-kit.

[$W4GK!NG]

ne CYMW?

[LaserCrafter]

ne CYMW?

🪤


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[robotictomato]

Any chance of teaming up with PigeonsLikeBread on Alps kits for this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113525.0)?

I would really love to see the Base, RGB, and Extension kits (at least) in Alps!

[synthetics]

#1 daddy hiney, I hope you come back with the milk some day

ily this made me laugh. gimme this set now pls.

[MIGHTY CHICKEN]

plus 1 for cmy

[XiXora]

Saw some kit additions but wondering on the status on that missing R4 \| key to complete the UK ISO keys in the extension kit? Just missing from the renders or did I miss that?

[Riizmaa]

  woo keycaps so cool gibb

[ankit]

this is a very good set but i would like to see more weeb things incorporated in order to please the masses

Looking good!, Consider a alternative alphas kit like hangul.

pls add weeb kit to compensate for low sales

No.

Saw some kit additions but wondering on the status on that missing R4 \| key to complete the UK ISO keys in the extension kit? Just missing from the renders or did I miss that?

The extensions kit is missing R4 \| for full UK ISO support.

Yes, it'd be good to full UK ISO support via the extensions kit. Happy to see this in Gorton font.

That one was missed by me initially, that will be added to extensions as well -- I'll get renders updated soon-ish. Thank you all for catching that.

Any chances for a CMY kit for this?

ne CYMW?

I am so in for this. Please give us a CMYW kit as well.

I ordered color chips for this but honestly not a big fan of CYMW on WoB. I also don't really want to split sales between two accent kits on a set when I'm already pretty scared of hitting MOQ as it stands. We'll see when I get colors in hand. Clearly there is demand for CYMW so I'll see what I can do.

Is there any chance for Signature Plastics to produce a Nordy kit?

I believe SP has molds for these since DCS Reaper had a NorDE. Will add it as a question for the updated IC form.

Other updates:
- Vendors are pretty much all decided. If you are a vendor in a region that is not currently covered, please reach out.
- After getting color chips in hand, I'll post another IC form for CYMW and NorDE.

[ideus]

If the set gets a NorDE kit, it will become a must-to-get-it set for me. I always like the DCS sound and feel, which is different than the "heavy" feeling that the original Cherry and GMK keys have. Also better than the Cherry profile PBTs.

[ideus]

What is the BAE-stem's layout? Is it ANSI compatible? Is it this one?

[blur410]

What is the BAE-stem's layout? Is it ANSI compatible? Is it this one?

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I would assume so. I think only GMK has the Cherry standard stabilizer mounts which would require a custom layout for support or vintage keyboard. Personally I would be down for the Cherry spec stabilizer spacing because I would want to use this set on vintage boards.

[blaqbern]

I know it’s a stretch, but any chance for blue 1.5 U Supers either in the RGB kit or extension kit?

The set is looking so dope. Nice work!

[treeleaf64]

[IC] DCS White on Black

[ankit]

What is the BAE-stem's layout? Is it ANSI compatible? Is it this one?

Show Image

Emailed SP asking for new quote with adjusted renders as well as for this BAE mold.

I know it’s a stretch, but any chance for blue 1.5 U Supers either in the RGB kit or extension kit?

No. I doubt this set will even hit MOQ anymore with Drop’s current GMK WOB sale but whatever, we'll give it a shot.

[IC] DCS White on Black

Hello Treeleaf. Pet pet.

Updates

Sorry for the bump but I have some updates to share.
- Renders reflect finalized kitting
- Not adding CYMW or NorDE, I'm sorry. ISO layout support in base and ISO UK in extension is all I want to do at this time.
- Will be working on finalizing pricing with vendors after getting a quote within this week, thank you all for your patience

Please fill out IC form if you haven't already.

[ideus]

My wallet appreciates that there is no Nordy kit to justify getting this set, yet, I regret it. Good luck with the GB; it is a great set.

[blunt]

nice

[Dyno]

What size of stabs do I need for that 10u spacebar?

[lewisflude]

Happy to announce that Hand Engineering has come on-board as vendor for the UK. Great work Ankit & co, looking forward to hosting the group buy. 

More info in Discord: https://discord.gg/NjzC8pe

[ankit]

What size of stabs do I need for that 10u spacebar?

Will be 7u

[treeleaf64]

Yayayaya Yayayayay Ayaya Ayaya!!!!!!!

[Akele]

Happy to announce that Hand Engineering has come on-board as vendor for the UK. Great work Ankit & co, looking forward to hosting the group buy. 

More info in Discord: https://discord.gg/NjzC8pe

Nice, I know where I'll be buying my set from then when the GB launched.

[cdhoffmann]

This looks dope af. Just wanna say i wish the RGB colors were not so dark but other than that love it.

[hankyul33]

I have 10 DCS WOB base kits now, please no more

[ankit]

GB post is up.
Locking IC.

[Puddsy]

pog