Look towards the bottom, right side. ;)Oh my, I see it now. So hyped! As a programmer who has spent many a days in a terminal window, I love this set. Thanks for including support for it!
Similar Concept to SA Green Screen: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75607.0
Is the N9 color purple? On KLE it comes out as gray. Also I would vote to offer it all as one set instead of breaking it into child kits.
Ah. A TX 1800 owner? ;D
This is the roughest of the rough mockups we have right now. Renders will be presented if there's a positive response to the set (like yours! thanks!) that will be much clearer and more to scale, with GMK's actual font.
To answer your question, yes. Thanks!
Does anyone else think that this set looks a little similar to Midnight?
Does anyone else think that this set looks a little similar to Midnight?
No. Midnight is a completely different shade of green. Also Midnight base was black, this is dark grey. Absolutely nothing alike, physical or thematic.
Looks awesome!
Any reason the alpha arrows are HJKL instead of IJKL tho?
IJKL is what I use daily and seems a lot more practicle to me.
Does anyone else think that this set looks a little similar to Midnight?
Looking forward to this :)
Please consider adding ISO-international essentials (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0;topicseen) and eventually R5 caps.
Similar Concept to SA Green Screen: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75607.0
Is the N9 color purple? On KLE it comes out as gray. Also I would vote to offer it all as one set instead of breaking it into child kits.
SHIFT for FC660M is icon？
System Administrator..........I like it....
SysAdmin here.... very interested! I like this a little better than the Green Screen set (which is still awesome)
I would like to see the set in a dolch style color scheme with slightly lighter alphas, and the option or inclusion of GMK symbol modifiers. Buuut that might be asking for a little much and neither of those would keep me from buying this set. Great work.
Definitely like this set but my only issue is if this will reach MOQ with all the GMK sets being run now and those that are coming up soon.
An interesting color scheme.
Looks like kinda greenish Skidata.
Feel pretty good.
Keep watching on this. :thumb:
Love it! Would really like to see the normal arrow keys in green as well. Off to vote in your poll. :thumb:
Oh damn. This is sex. I wish gmk weren't the only keys getting love at the moment but if this has a release date set after all the sets I'm currently eyeballing, I'd for sure be in.
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Having a second 2.25u Shift to accommodate FC660M users is great, however you guys are missing one 1.75u Shift to properly support 1800/65/75% arrangements. Also, may I suggest going with either entirely Icon-only mods or Text+Icon mods, it seems strange to have all modifiers with text+icons but then having the second 2.25u Shift being Icon-only. (my preference is for Textless icons, but I digress).
Other than that, layout support is looking good!
The website shows Win keys but the OP doesn't. I would like to put in my vote for 1-2 Win keys for those of us who use Windows (but still pseudo-terminal via Cygwin!!!).
...but if I'm being honest, I'm in regardless. :)
Having a second 2.25u Shift to accommodate FC660M users is great, however you guys are missing one 1.75u Shift to properly support 1800/65/75% arrangements. Also, may I suggest going with either entirely Icon-only mods or Text+Icon mods, it seems strange to have all modifiers with text+icons but then having the second 2.25u Shift being Icon-only. (my preference is for Textless icons, but I digress).
Other than that, layout support is looking good!
Revised mods incoming tomorrow! Regarding the 1.75u, we thought we had that covered. Mind elaborating?
Having a second 2.25u Shift to accommodate FC660M users is great, however you guys are missing one 1.75u Shift to properly support 1800/65/75% arrangements. Also, may I suggest going with either entirely Icon-only mods or Text+Icon mods, it seems strange to have all modifiers with text+icons but then having the second 2.25u Shift being Icon-only. (my preference is for Textless icons, but I digress).
Other than that, layout support is looking good!
Revised mods incoming tomorrow! Regarding the 1.75u, we thought we had that covered. Mind elaborating?
Sorry I goofed, I saw the additional 1.75u Shift now, it was because in your render, the smaller shifts had text only and not the icon, so that threw me off.
Regardless, I would suggest keeping all the mods consistent, and if you guys decide to go with all icon-only mods with no text, that would be grand!!! :thumb:
Keep up the good work!
Noice - interested.
Non-stepped Caps-Lock is duplicate, icon-only R-shift is missing (or L-shift, there's only one).
Looks good, any thoughts on a modifiers colorway to later tack on to this?
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Well, that seals it. Good game. See you all in the GB thread.
LeandreN will be linking >Terminal_'s International Kit on Mekanisk. He has also kindly offered to proxy Europe!Great. LeandreN's proxy is a value added to me.
>Terminal_ has now drawn inspiration from the amazing Skidata+ keyset in the form of icon mods.One of OG Skidata cool features is the relegendables keys. It might be late now but perhaps you might wanna consider them as future kit.
1800, TX1800, 65% (TADA, RS68, etc.), 75% (Octagon, B.Mini, etc.), Planck, and Preonic compatible caps added.Extensive support which is nice. I won't insist, but it's worth asking about R5 caps.
A big one - base was changed to N9, which opens up a lot of opportunities to customize with other amazing sets that are the same base color.I picture myself mixing Skidata and >Terminal_. Nice one.
Very disappointed there's no Ergodox support. Hope y'all will reconsider.You will be happy to know that due to alot of interest, we are working on something for ErgoDox users and should have an update in 24 hours for the Ergo-Gang!
Can we get bar versions of the F/J keys? I know some recent GMK sets such as Hydro provided both scoop and bar versions of F/J.
LeandreN will be linking >Terminal_'s International Kit on Mekanisk. He has also kindly offered to proxy Europe!Great. LeandreN's proxy is a value added to me.>Terminal_ has now drawn inspiration from the amazing Skidata+ keyset in the form of icon mods.One of OG Skidata cool features is the relegendables keys. It might be late now but perhaps you might wanna consider them as future kit.1800, TX1800, 65% (TADA, RS68, etc.), 75% (Octagon, B.Mini, etc.), Planck, and Preonic compatible caps added.Extensive support which is nice. I won't insist, but it's worth asking about R5 caps.A big one - base was changed to N9, which opens up a lot of opportunities to customize with other amazing sets that are the same base color.I picture myself mixing Skidata and >Terminal_. Nice one.
Keep up the good work.
Great. LeandreN's proxy is a value added to me.
Very disappointed there's no Ergodox support. Hope y'all will reconsider.You will be happy to know that due to alot of interest, we are working on something for ErgoDox users and should have an update in 24 hours for the Ergo-Gang!
Mockup is making me water :) Glad to hear there's hope for bar F/J. :thumb:
Been waiting a while for a colorway like this set!
This may be my first GB since I have gotten into mechs. Love this set! The base set should fit a TADA68 right?
damn, would have preferred text modifiers
Nice set! Just one question, why does uk get a free pass (again) while other european locales get second rate citizenship? Do something unique and pick another locale to the main kit, or at least do a favour to norde folk and stuff uk to the international kit to get an extra chance for it to succeed. 150 MOQ norde will be difficult, but with uk at our side we may yet succeed!
Loving the green on this. Is the set a green and black or a green and dark grey?
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Think Dolch's dark legends' base color. Speaking of which, that's why we went with N9, to add the possibility to mix and match with N9 sets (Dolch, Sky, Reborn, Skidata+, etc.), which is pretty cool.
Nice set! Just one question, why does uk get a free pass (again) while other european locales get second rate citizenship? Do something unique and pick another locale to the main kit, or at least do a favour to norde folk and stuff uk to the international kit to get an extra chance for it to succeed. 150 MOQ norde will be difficult, but with uk at our side we may yet succeed!
Nice set! Just one question, why does uk get a free pass (again) while other european locales get second rate citizenship? Do something unique and pick another locale to the main kit, or at least do a favour to norde folk and stuff uk to the international kit to get an extra chance for it to succeed. 150 MOQ norde will be difficult, but with uk at our side we may yet succeed!
As a UK ISO user I promise to buy 1 ISO set to help tip it. If my wallet can do it I will buy 2. We need this to work but yes 150 is going to be hard. We should promote it in the German keyboard forum. I will try and find the URL on the weekend and make a post :)
Guys, please split it in many minimalistic bundles, my wallet tired of this complex sets.Not possible with GMK because of MOQ. Your wallet can learn a valuable lesson from this.
Any update on when this might be dropping?
plz no... first KBD75, then Matrix Abel, then Duck Viper, now more keysets? fmlMust... resist... the urge...
was hoping to see this Q1 or Q2 2017. not sure this could even get into production until then anyway. beware, Op, of long-running IC phase. better to stretch it out and hype for a couple months. i'm a GMK hound, and i just found this a couple weeks ago...
i would love to see a green spacebar either included in the set, or with the add-on.FYI, you can buy AE spacebars from Originative (https://www.originativeco.com/products/gmk-spacebars-6-25-7?variant=16795167109).
i would love to see a green spacebar either included in the set, or with the add-on.
if the international kit had a green spacebar, i would buy the kit just for the spacebar and sell the international keys. that would probably help reach MOQ
i would love to see a green spacebar either included in the set, or with the add-on.FYI, you can buy AE spacebars from Originative (https://www.originativeco.com/products/gmk-spacebars-6-25-7?variant=16795167109).
Not sure if this was already requested or if GMK even has the molds, but any chance for a Colevrak set a la MiTo's Godspeed? https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/MD-25045_20160922122911_f8e761f25a57d7ae.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=1023&dpr=1 (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/MD-25045_20160922122911_f8e761f25a57d7ae.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=1023&dpr=1)
Is there a chance to consider including R3 \| key?
Is there a chance to consider including R3 \| key?
I also need that cap!
Updated OP to include ErgoDox support! Hope you guys like it!
Updated OP to include ErgoDox support! Hope you guys like it!
An universal N9 ergodox support is a good idea. It's not clear what profile you have in mind for the thumb cluster, but usually it will only take a few addition to make it compatible with Planck/Preonic. With Carbon, it took an additional 3 keys. So, by adding a mere 3 keys, you can get the ortho crowd on board and reach MOQ faster :)
While I also wish I had some more information on the row profile of the ErgoDox kit, the base kit already supports the Ortho crowd:
Hey, I love this concept, but there's one small detail that somewhat bothers me. I don't think the current Meta key is representative of the most common use cases for the key on a Unix system. Something like a SunOS style Meta key (diamond sign ♢) or with "Meta" or "Super" (maybe taking the place of the Code key currently included) black lettering on green background would be awesome. Most tiling WM's use that key for normal operation so it's would fit the set like a glove, just like the highlighted ~` key.
Thanks!
All keycap kits large and small will be shipped from GMK and to you in GMK trays.
What is the final all in one kit would be like?
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Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
Sweet Razer themed keycaps! Th these will look epic with some green leds and a racing chair. :pGo buy another Blue/White keyset in SA OuO
Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
BARS FTW! Sorry they didnt make the renders.
Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
BARS FTW! Sorry they didnt make the renders.
Scoops > Bars, plz don't remove scoops
Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
BARS FTW! Sorry they didnt make the renders.
Scoops > Bars, plz don't remove scoops
Yeah, sets like GMK Hydro had both. Would offering both have much impact on price or MOQ? Although my personal preference is for bars, I know a lot of others like scoops and I would like this set to sell as many as possible.
Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
BARS FTW! Sorry they didnt make the renders.
Scoops > Bars, plz don't remove scoops
Yeah, sets like GMK Hydro had both. Would offering both have much impact on price or MOQ? Although my personal preference is for bars, I know a lot of others like scoops and I would like this set to sell as many as possible.
M1keHonch0 here. I'm 1/2 of TKC.
The biggest problem for us trying to offer both scooped and barred keys is the VIM and MiniVan support. If we offer both scooped and barred we have to add an additional 3 keys, not just 2. We will take it under advisement and if I hear enough chatter we can see about making it happen without it affecting the price. No promises though.
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Sweet Razer themed keycaps! Th these will look epic with some green leds and a racing chair. :pGo buy another Blue/White keyset in SA OuO
No see see bar F/J keys :(
EDIT: YESSSHH!! First GMK set to arrive in 2nd quarter :)
Color mod pack for this set should be really sweet.
I'd vote bars. I haven't used GMK scoops yet, but SP scoops (both SA and DSA) don't provide enough tactile feedback for me to home in on.Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
BARS FTW! Sorry they didnt make the renders.
Scoops > Bars, plz don't remove scoops
Yeah, sets like GMK Hydro had both. Would offering both have much impact on price or MOQ? Although my personal preference is for bars, I know a lot of others like scoops and I would like this set to sell as many as possible.
M1keHonch0 here. I'm 1/2 of TKC.
The biggest problem for us trying to offer both scooped and barred keys is the VIM and MiniVan support. If we offer both scooped and barred we have to add an additional 3 keys, not just 2. We will take it under advisement and if I hear enough chatter we can see about making it happen without it affecting the price. No promises though.
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Why not use customize color,AE is warm but terminal should be cooler and cooler.Two reasons off the top of my head... Standard colors are cheaper and more likely to match other sets to allow for swapping.
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Why not use customize color,AE is warm but terminal should be cooler and cooler.Two reasons off the top of my head... Standard colors are cheaper and more likely to match other sets to allow for swapping.
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Will the final version have bar versions of the F and J keys?
+1
Bars > Scoops life.
BARS FTW! Sorry they didnt make the renders.
Scoops > Bars, plz don't remove scoops
Yeah, sets like GMK Hydro had both. Would offering both have much impact on price or MOQ? Although my personal preference is for bars, I know a lot of others like scoops and I would like this set to sell as many as possible.
M1keHonch0 here. I'm 1/2 of TKC.
The biggest problem for us trying to offer both scooped and barred keys is the VIM and MiniVan support. If we offer both scooped and barred we have to add an additional 3 keys, not just 2. We will take it under advisement and if I hear enough chatter we can see about making it happen without it affecting the price. No promises though.
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I don't think we cant get MOD, this is a nice set.Why not use customize color,AE is warm but terminal should be cooler and cooler.Two reasons off the top of my head... Standard colors are cheaper and more likely to match other sets to allow for swapping.
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This is exactly why. We thought about using a custom green color instead of AE but the MOQ increases significantly.
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sry.MOQI don't think we cant get MOD, this is a nice set.Why not use customize color,AE is warm but terminal should be cooler and cooler.Two reasons off the top of my head... Standard colors are cheaper and more likely to match other sets to allow for swapping.
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This is exactly why. We thought about using a custom green color instead of AE but the MOQ increases significantly.
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When I met you in the summer.
Will this work with TheVan keyboard? It looks good im interested in getting this :thumb:
GMK Autumn tooThat one looks very good.
Would be super interested if there where a international kit :( looks dope!!
Would be super interested if there where a international kit :( looks dope!!
You can stay interested because there is an international kit!
http://imgur.com/a/7meuB (http://imgur.com/a/7meuB)
What is the logic behind the inclusion of the Minivan and Plank sets in the main set? How much they increase the price of the main set?I think it's fine that it is combined with the main set. It would not tip on it's own, same as WKL bottom row.
Really looking forward to this! =)
Sets seem to cover a lot of different layouts by know.
Would love to see ve.a support added for the spacebar kit, but I understand there might not be enough demand for this to make sense.
I hope the scooped homing keys stay in, to keep the set appealing to both bars and scoop fans. I personally prefer scoops for looks, but to each their own.
Thanks! Glad you like it!
GMK's smallest spacebar is 6u. And IIRC there's only like 40 VEA's in the wild. Makes a hard case for a custom key.
What size is the VEA spacebar? Is it 3u?
Hey don't worry, it fits enough other layouts you'll find something to put it on!
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What about dark green GID legends? Can it be done?
What about dark green GID legends? Can it be done?
AFAIK GMK can't do that.
What about dark green GID legends? Can it be done?
AFAIK GMK can't do that.
They could, but MOQ would be 250.
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They can do any custom color, I assume that includes GID. It's just a plastic additive. Shouldn't be a big deal. But custom colors equal higher MOQ.What about dark green GID legends? Can it be done?
AFAIK GMK can't do that.
They could, but MOQ would be 250.
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Since when could GMK do GID?
Use CR instead N9 plsSorry, too late! We are committed to N9.
When I met you in the summer.
Reluctant，but I'll still join the drop~Use CR instead N9 plsSorry, too late! We are committed to N9.
When I met you in the summer.
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Use CR instead N9 plsSorry, too late! We are committed to N9.
When I met you in the summer.
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So I'm the bad guy？Use CR instead N9 plsSorry, too late! We are committed to N9.
When I met you in the summer.
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Good, the world needs more heroes.
Just say no to GID. Why you want to trash up such class :)
Just say no to GID. Why you want to trash up such class :)
^ this. I don't get GID on keycaps... is this so you can still see the keys for a few minutes after someone turns off the lights? I understand shine through/backlit for people who peck and hunt, but what would GID offer functionally? I didn't really understand it on Borealis either. I guess some people think the GID looks nice??
Is this grey the same as carbon?No, Carbon was made out of custom colors. It's the same grey of Skidata.
Is this grey the same as carbon? That will look great together if so!
Is this grey the same as carbon?No, Carbon was made out of custom colors. It's the same grey of Skidata.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LZDrhZz.jpg)
How close in color is N9 to the black case of a Filco keyboard?
How close in color is N9 to the black case of a Filco keyboard?
Post updated. We go live tomorrow, January 7 2017 at 7pm est.
Bars and scoops added to keep everyone happy. Pricing stays the same. Also added teaser image of custom cables offered during GB from 90N1NE
Join us tomorrow at https://thekey.company
Once again, thank you for all your support and input on making this set become a reality!
Post updated. We go live tomorrow, January 7 2017 at 7pm est.
Bars and scoops added to keep everyone happy. Pricing stays the same. Also added teaser image of custom cables offered during GB from 90N1NE
Join us tomorrow at https://thekey.company
Once again, thank you for all your support and input on making this set become a reality!
Were live
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Hmmm no PayPal and I have my money in there, guess I'll order a bit later.
How come each of the three Backspace keys has a different legend?
Hmmm no PayPal and I have my money in there, guess I'll order a bit later.
We're working on an option for buyers who can only use PayPal. Stay tuned for an update.
Sorry, no PayPal. Perhaps in the future but not likely during this GB.
I was disappointed in this also - hopefully it is added for future buys.
How come each of the three Backspace keys has a different legend?
This will be addressed. Thank you for pointing that out! Stayed tuned for an update.Hmmm no PayPal and I have my money in there, guess I'll order a bit later.
Sorry, no PayPal. Perhaps in the future but not likely during this GB.
I was disappointed in this also - hopefully it is added for future buys.
Hmmm no PayPal and I have my money in there, guess I'll order a bit later.
Hmmm no PayPal and I have my money in there, guess I'll order a bit later.
I feel the same :(
Gonna have to move some money around and get it this next week.
Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?Same here, hope we'll somehow find a way...
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.
I thought VISA debit cards were commonplace by now
Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.
If shipping through proxy (given that LeandreN is still up for that), how do we place our orders?
Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.
I recommend moving this to a GB thread and locking this one since it is live.
The chinese proxy seems to have free international shipping! The base set price is 2.50 USD more though.
edit: it seems I cannot read. The international shipping form china is 12.90. Still 20 USD cheaper to Finland than form USA.
"Place your order with our partner in China and save on shipping." Sure sounds like something other than an unauthorized re-seller.
"Place your order with our partner in China and save on shipping." Sure sounds like something other than an unauthorized re-seller.
The chinese proxy seems to have free international shipping! The base set price is 2.50 USD more though.
edit: it seems I cannot read. The international shipping form china is 12.90. Still 20 USD cheaper to Finland than form USA.
Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.If shipping through proxy (given that LeandreN is still up for that), how do we place our orders?
We tried to make a proxy happen, and LeandreN was happy to help. Sadly, if we went that route we would have had to pay VAT twice. Thats no good for anyone. The shipping from USA to most place in Europe is only about $15 more than it is to ship domestic.Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.
I am looking into a way to open up PayPal as a payment option. The problem is, we are selling the Essentials kit at a very low margin. Adding a PayPal option to the nearly doubles our transaction fees. At that point we are selling Essentials kit at a loss. We will both work dilligently to work out a solution to provide an option that works for everyone. Stay tuned.
Post updated. We go live tomorrow, January 7 2017 at 7pm est.
Bars and scoops added to keep everyone happy. Pricing stays the same. Also added teaser image of custom cables offered during GB from 90N1NE
Join us tomorrow at https://thekey.company
Once again, thank you for all your support and input on making this set become a reality!
Holy hype!
This will be great.
Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.If shipping through proxy (given that LeandreN is still up for that), how do we place our orders?
We tried to make a proxy happen, and LeandreN was happy to help. Sadly, if we went that route we would have had to pay VAT twice. Thats no good for anyone. The shipping from USA to most place in Europe is only about $15 more than it is to ship domestic.Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.
I am looking into a way to open up PayPal as a payment option. The problem is, we are selling the Essentials kit at a very low margin. Adding a PayPal option to the nearly doubles our transaction fees. At that point we are selling Essentials kit at a loss. We will both work dilligently to work out a solution to provide an option that works for everyone. Stay tuned.
I know PayPal fees are terrible and I understand that is an issue. Perhaps it could be a payment option with the added fees in the transaction? I'm not sure the exact amount, but perhaps add a 5%~ fee to any PayPal order?
4.5 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
Post updated. We go live tomorrow, January 7 2017 at 7pm est.
Bars and scoops added to keep everyone happy. Pricing stays the same. Also added teaser image of custom cables offered during GB from 90N1NE
Join us tomorrow at https://thekey.company
Once again, thank you for all your support and input on making this set become a reality!
Holy hype!
This will be great.Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.If shipping through proxy (given that LeandreN is still up for that), how do we place our orders?
We tried to make a proxy happen, and LeandreN was happy to help. Sadly, if we went that route we would have had to pay VAT twice. Thats no good for anyone. The shipping from USA to most place in Europe is only about $15 more than it is to ship domestic.Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.
I am looking into a way to open up PayPal as a payment option. The problem is, we are selling the Essentials kit at a very low margin. Adding a PayPal option to the nearly doubles our transaction fees. At that point we are selling Essentials kit at a loss. We will both work dilligently to work out a solution to provide an option that works for everyone. Stay tuned.
I know PayPal fees are terrible and I understand that is an issue. Perhaps it could be a payment option with the added fees in the transaction? I'm not sure the exact amount, but perhaps add a 5%~ fee to any PayPal order?
From the PayPal ToS:Quote4.5 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
Not really worth the risk of having funds frozen... I mean, I wouldn't report them, but is it worth the risk?
Hmm..
Regarding the 'having to pay VAT twice', anyone in Europe now has to do that. The only method for circumventing this is to have a company in Europe make the GMK order, then that company can sell the USA (and China) orders forward. That way in Europe we would pay VAT only once, same as you in the USA. This is because no VAT is applied in B2B transactions in Europe. If the GMK packet is first sent to USA, then I'm not sure how that would go as I'm not familiar with your VAT system, but from your earlier comment I assume that double VAT would be applied.
Btw, would you be willing to bill me as a company, instead of a private customer? :))
I'm going to have to get a company going at some point and I wonder if such a thing is something that you would be willing to do.
Post updated. We go live tomorrow, January 7 2017 at 7pm est.
Bars and scoops added to keep everyone happy. Pricing stays the same. Also added teaser image of custom cables offered during GB from 90N1NE
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Once again, thank you for all your support and input on making this set become a reality!
Holy hype!
This will be great.Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.If shipping through proxy (given that LeandreN is still up for that), how do we place our orders?
We tried to make a proxy happen, and LeandreN was happy to help. Sadly, if we went that route we would have had to pay VAT twice. Thats no good for anyone. The shipping from USA to most place in Europe is only about $15 more than it is to ship domestic.Waaait no PayPal? How long is this open? I hope I can get a credit card in time. Or what was that with LeandreN proxying, would he also do a money proxy?
Damn it it this is disappointing, I was really looking forward to this and now there is no PayPal option, which really sucks for international buyers.
I am looking into a way to open up PayPal as a payment option. The problem is, we are selling the Essentials kit at a very low margin. Adding a PayPal option to the nearly doubles our transaction fees. At that point we are selling Essentials kit at a loss. We will both work dilligently to work out a solution to provide an option that works for everyone. Stay tuned.
I know PayPal fees are terrible and I understand that is an issue. Perhaps it could be a payment option with the added fees in the transaction? I'm not sure the exact amount, but perhaps add a 5%~ fee to any PayPal order?
From the PayPal ToS:Quote4.5 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
Not really worth the risk of having funds frozen... I mean, I wouldn't report them, but is it worth the risk?
I am about to add PayPal as a payment option. Stay tuned, might take a minute. There will be no surcharge.
Is there a support email for TKC? Like if say ordered a straight cable because didn't know there was a coiled option?
Cough cough cough.Show Image(http://puu.sh/tfGSK/20522c5f2f.png)
I can not find a way to combine a Swedish set with base + intl. Is there a new render or is this what is offered? I was into this but now I don't know. Is the intl. for sure or will you look at MOQ?I didn't even notice that the international kit changed. Previously it was possible to have swe/fi with just two alt-gr legends missing. Right now having incorrect legends, as well as missing some, is mandatory :(
How come each of the three Backspace keys has a different legend?
This will be addressed. Thank you for pointing that out! Stayed tuned for an update.
How is the international kit doing? Will it be bumped if it almost reaches MOQ?
How is the international kit doing? Will it be bumped if it almost reaches MOQ?
I think the GB is gonna go for a month, so i guess this is pretty early to now whats gonna happen with it.. i am in for a international kit too..
How is the international kit doing? Will it be bumped if it almost reaches MOQ?
I think the GB is gonna go for a month, so i guess this is pretty early to now whats gonna happen with it.. i am in for a international kit too..
We will pick up the slack for the essentials kit but we need to sell at least 125 of them. We're not even close.
Base has almost hit MOQ.
What happened to the guy that said he'd buy 5 just to make it drop?
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How is the international kit doing? Will it be bumped if it almost reaches MOQ?
I think the GB is gonna go for a month, so i guess this is pretty early to now whats gonna happen with it.. i am in for a international kit too..
We will pick up the slack for the essentials kit but we need to sell at least 125 of them. We're not even close.
Base has almost hit MOQ.
What happened to the guy that said he'd buy 5 just to make it drop?
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Isn't the MOQ For international kit 100? Thats what GMK said last time.
I'd buy some 2-3 sets, but I cannot justify a 282 USD keyset that has some wrong legends in it. I would tolerate missing tertiary legends on some keys, but having wrong ones is too much for my minor OCD.
The international kit pictured before the GB began was a lot better in this aspect. I was also hoping that the VAT debacle could somehow be handled for this GB. Right now it raises the price for me by 60-80 USD.
If you have been unable to negotiate a lower MOQ for the international kit, why do you have it in a separate kit? Having its own slightly more ascetic ISO base set without ANSI/plank/whatever keys would be immensely cheaper.How is the international kit doing? Will it be bumped if it almost reaches MOQ?
I think the GB is gonna go for a month, so i guess this is pretty early to now whats gonna happen with it.. i am in for a international kit too..
We will pick up the slack for the essentials kit but we need to sell at least 125 of them. We're not even close.
Base has almost hit MOQ.
What happened to the guy that said he'd buy 5 just to make it drop?
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Isn't the MOQ For international kit 100? Thats what GMK said last time.
How is the international kit doing? Will it be bumped if it almost reaches MOQ?
I think the GB is gonna go for a month, so i guess this is pretty early to now whats gonna happen with it.. i am in for a international kit too..
We will pick up the slack for the essentials kit but we need to sell at least 125 of them. We're not even close.
Base has almost hit MOQ.
What happened to the guy that said he'd buy 5 just to make it drop?
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If we hit 250 MOQ, are there any price drop?
We will pick up the slack for the essentials kit but we need to sell at least 125 of them. We're not even close.
Base has almost hit MOQ.
What happened to the guy that said he'd buy 5 just to make it drop?
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How is the international kit doing? Will it be bumped if it almost reaches MOQ?
I think the GB is gonna go for a month, so i guess this is pretty early to now whats gonna happen with it.. i am in for a international kit too..
We will pick up the slack for the essentials kit but we need to sell at least 125 of them. We're not even close.
Base has almost hit MOQ.
What happened to the guy that said he'd buy 5 just to make it drop?
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125.. Damn.. you properly have under 15 international kit in at the moment i guess :) but hope is high! its good its a long GB so the international peeps have time to wake up from winter depression :))
I did not voice my opinion as the pictures of the international kit in the IC phase were spot on.I'd buy some 2-3 sets, but I cannot justify a 282 USD keyset that has some wrong legends in it. I would tolerate missing tertiary legends on some keys, but having wrong ones is too much for my minor OCD.
The international kit pictured before the GB began was a lot better in this aspect. I was also hoping that the VAT debacle could somehow be handled for this GB. Right now it raises the price for me by 60-80 USD.
What is your issue with the legends? Did you voice your opinion early on in the IC?
Vat debacle? There is no way around it, end users have to pay Vat. If you know of a [legal] way to circumvent paying Vat drop me a PM.
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... I was also hoping that the VAT debacle could somehow be handled for this GB. Right now it raises the price for me by 60-80 USD.
Sorry for my ignorance, but I was under the impression that the prices on TKC are VAT inclusive and I will have to pay them twice. Once in the states and once in Finland as part of the importing procedures. As GMK is in ETA, it could be possible to pay VAT only once and it was my understanding that it was something that was considered at some point in this GB with the help of Leandren.... I was also hoping that the VAT debacle could somehow be handled for this GB. Right now it raises the price for me by 60-80 USD.
You are calling your countries sales tax a "VAT debacle" that can "somehow be handled" ?
What you are saying:
"Why don't you do something illegal to help me avoid my countries taxes"
Stop asking/demanding GB runners to help you avoid taxes! You are asking/pushing people to break laws in their own country and/or help you break laws in your country.
How can it be held against a GB organizer when they are not providing any of this?
You are paying VAT on tons of things every day without making such a scene because you never see the net price. When buying stuff abroad you suddenly see the net price and realize "OMG I HAZ TO PAY VATZ" ... a little simple minded.
To clear this up: You, as a buyer, would pay VAT once the way it is being sold.Sorry for continuing the discussion, but I'd be very interested to hear in detail where, at what stages and with what rates the VATs would have/are being paid now and how it would have been with Leandren proxying. Just to better understand the situation and to limit my ignorance. :(
Had we used LeandreN as a proxy we would have had to pay it twice, negating the savings on shipping.
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To clear this up: You, as a buyer, would pay VAT once the way it is being sold.Sorry for continuing the discussion, but I'd be very interested to hear in detail where, at what stages and with what rates the VATs would have/are being paid now and how it would have been with Leandren proxying. Just to better understand the situation and to limit my ignorance. :(
Had we used LeandreN as a proxy we would have had to pay it twice, negating the savings on shipping.
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I'm apparently not familiar enough with tax/vat things outside of Europe.
Pretty good guess!
We have done a lot to accommodate people in the international community but based on some of the comments, some are hard to please! I hope for the sake of the international community that the set hits MOQ. If it doesn't, it may discourage others from doing the same.
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I'm in the US, (sadly) only speak English, and don't use ISO and I'm in for for an international kit. Partly to help out the international peeps and partly because I'm working on a custom build and I can use 4 of the keys from the international kit. I figure that's still less than the $10/key that SP charges for individuals. Here's hoping it drops.... I still think we had a better chance of hitting MOQ for a Colevrak kit though. ;)
Pretty good guess!
We have done a lot to accommodate people in the international community but based on some of the comments, some are hard to please! I hope for the sake of the international community that the set hits MOQ. If it doesn't, it may discourage others from doing the same.
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The kit is very reasonably priced. But honestly, I'll be super surprised if it meets that MOQ. This happens way too often. Euros want nice caps for their numerous ISO layouts but they don't show up on group buy day. :(
PROVE ME WRONG, EUROGUYS!
Pretty good guess!
We have done a lot to accommodate people in the international community but based on some of the comments, some are hard to please! I hope for the sake of the international community that the set hits MOQ. If it doesn't, it may discourage others from doing the same.
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The kit is very reasonably priced. But honestly, I'll be super surprised if it meets that MOQ. This happens way too often. Euros want nice caps for their numerous ISO layouts but they don't show up on group buy day. :(
PROVE ME WRONG, EUROGUYS!
WE WILL! i am on goodspeed with INT'L. XDA - Milestone with INT'L. (didn't have a MOQ do ) and this beautiful set with INT'L. keep the INT'L. kits coming! Europe is slowly waking up! :)
Pretty good guess!
We have done a lot to accommodate people in the international community but based on some of the comments, some are hard to please! I hope for the sake of the international community that the set hits MOQ. If it doesn't, it may discourage others from doing the same.
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The kit is very reasonably priced. But honestly, I'll be super surprised if it meets that MOQ. This happens way too often. Euros want nice caps for their numerous ISO layouts but they don't show up on group buy day. :(
PROVE ME WRONG, EUROGUYS!
WE WILL! i am on goodspeed with INT'L. XDA - Milestone with INT'L. (didn't have a MOQ do ) and this beautiful set with INT'L. keep the INT'L. kits coming! Europe is slowly waking up! :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YYX59Au.gif)
Please don't complain about Europeans not getting enough kits, buying a set as a European gets really expensive if you want to cover something other than ISO-UK. Getting the base kit and paying for US shipping sets you at about 200$. Add 30$ for the international kit, another 10-20$ for international shipping and, in my case, 19% taxes. That leaves you at ~290-300$. In the big picture it's still A LOT more for the 5-6 keys you need. No wonder those won't hit MOQ.
I still ordered the base kit, the international kit and a cable (my wallet is already crying in the corner) because I really really love that set. So...Show Image(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UhRXn2NRiWI/maxresdefault.jpg)
Please don't complain about Europeans not getting enough kits, buying a set as a European gets really expensive if you want to cover something other than ISO-UK. Getting the base kit and paying for US shipping sets you at about 200$. Add 30$ for the international kit, another 10-20$ for international shipping and, in my case, 19% taxes. That leaves you at ~290-300$. In the big picture it's still A LOT more for the 5-6 keys you need. No wonder those won't hit MOQ.
I still ordered the base kit, the international kit and a cable (my wallet is already crying in the corner) because I really really love that set. So...Show Image(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UhRXn2NRiWI/maxresdefault.jpg)
What other option is there though? If EU members want to have their various layouts covered that's fine, but usually the only way to have the multiple different layouts covered is to include an Intl kit, because including those keys in a base kit where 95% or more of the people ordering aren't going to use it makes even less sense.
I understand your sentiment and can understand why EU members don't want to pay for them, but if you want kits that are less popular, the cost is going to be high just like shipping, VAT, and other things. And think of it this way, you pay more than US members for keyboard stuff but US members pay way more for healthcare related things :)
i know, this isnt 100% comparable
FYI, $159 is a steep price. The ISO/ANSI-DE dolch GB is priced 117€ including shipping ( https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) ), the GMK stormtrooper GB ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0) ) is $100 plus shipping. i know, this isnt 100% comparable, but it gives you a hint how much the set really costs. If you do some price adjusting, im in!
FYI, $159 is a steep price. The ISO/ANSI-DE dolch GB is priced 117€ including shipping ( https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) ), the GMK stormtrooper GB ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0) ) is $100 plus shipping. i know, this isnt 100% comparable, but it gives you a hint how much the set really costs. If you do some price adjusting, im in!
Dolch and Stormtrooper both have 137 caps per set, while Terminal has 169. Stormtrooper was specifically noted to be a low-cost GMk set, while Dolch and Terminal come within $0.04 of each other on a per-cap basis, so like you said they probably aren't 100% comparable :)
FYI, $159 is a steep price. The ISO/ANSI-DE dolch GB is priced 117€ including shipping ( https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) ), the GMK stormtrooper GB ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0) ) is $100 plus shipping. i know, this isnt 100% comparable, but it gives you a hint how much the set really costs. If you do some price adjusting, im in!
Dolch and Stormtrooper both have 137 caps per set, while Terminal has 169. Stormtrooper was specifically noted to be a low-cost GMk set, while Dolch and Terminal come within $0.04 of each other on a per-cap basis, so like you said they probably aren't 100% comparable :)
FYI, $159 is a steep price. The ISO/ANSI-DE dolch GB is priced 117€ including shipping ( https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) ), the GMK stormtrooper GB ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0) ) is $100 plus shipping. i know, this isnt 100% comparable, but it gives you a hint how much the set really costs. If you do some price adjusting, im in!
Dolch and Stormtrooper both have 137 caps per set, while Terminal has 169. Stormtrooper was specifically noted to be a low-cost GMk set, while Dolch and Terminal come within $0.04 of each other on a per-cap basis, so like you said they probably aren't 100% comparable :)
I rely on your cap counts:
Terminal: $159 / 169 caps = avg of $0.94 per cap.
Dolch: $117.40 (110€) / 139 caps = $0.84 per cap.
Stormtrooper: $100 / 139 caps = $0.72 per cap.
Both dolch and stormtrooper have standard legends, no additional molds required. Terminal has custom molds, i dont know the price they charge per mold.
The difference is 22 cent per cap, or $37.18. As said, this math on averages - and always GMK quality.
These are just a few I pulled up quickly, and compared to Terminal the pricing is on par or actually more expensive.For GMK dolch the price is a lot lower, as it includes ETA VAT & shipping. For a German buying Terminal base set it will be around 218 EUR before it is on his doorstep. Almost double to Dolch. For someone in the states, I imagine they will cost around the same.
FYI, $159 is a steep price. The ISO/ANSI-DE dolch GB is priced 117€ including shipping ( https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) ), the GMK stormtrooper GB ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0) ) is $100 plus shipping. i know, this isnt 100% comparable, but it gives you a hint how much the set really costs. If you do some price adjusting, im in!
FYI, $159 is a steep price. The ISO/ANSI-DE dolch GB is priced 117€ including shipping ( https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) ), the GMK stormtrooper GB ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0) ) is $100 plus shipping. i know, this isnt 100% comparable, but it gives you a hint how much the set really costs. If you do some price adjusting, im in!
The German Dolch set was specifically ran as a no-profit keyset, same with Stormtrooper (Manifex actually is probably in the red on that set, as shipping was more than he expected), so there is no comparison here. Also, both of those sets have fewer total cap count than this set, with no custom legends.
I'm not saying this set is not expensive (it is!), but in terms of value for money, you're not any worse off than the average GMK group buys
FYI, $159 is a steep price. The ISO/ANSI-DE dolch GB is priced 117€ including shipping ( https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) ), the GMK stormtrooper GB ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0) ) is $100 plus shipping. i know, this isnt 100% comparable, but it gives you a hint how much the set really costs. If you do some price adjusting, im in!
The German Dolch set was specifically ran as a no-profit keyset, same with Stormtrooper (Manifex actually is probably in the red on that set, as shipping was more than he expected), so there is no comparison here. Also, both of those sets have fewer total cap count than this set, with no custom legends.
I'm not saying this set is not expensive (it is!), but in terms of value for money, you're not any worse off than the average GMK group buys
you realize we're talking about the sets not including shipping? or are you referencing shipping from germany->US?
Still, we are talking about average keycap price, so the absolute amount is irrelevant.
FYI: dolch and stormtrooper are nearly the same, but there is 12ct (*139) difference between the caps!