don't wanna be that guy but might wanna run it by LZ
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78901.0
don't wanna be that guy but might wanna run it by LZ
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78901.0
don't wanna be that guy but might wanna run it by LZ
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78901.0
I've wanted an LZ-RV for a long time. I'm definitely in for this!
Any idea if the pcb will be QMK? Or will we have to suffer through using bootmapper client?
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Mmm. Would like to see:
- PCB support to optionally mirror the numpad layout (i.e. have the 2u keys on the left)
- Alps support (on the PCB, ideally with separate Alps plates offered)
- WK option
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Definitely interested, though this might get pricey! I presume hard anodization is otherwise the same as regular anodization but has better durability against wear and such?I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Why no QMK? Something else?
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Just wondering, but why no QMK? I find it pretty easy to work around. What would you prefer?
Definitely interested, though this might get pricey! I presume hard anodization is otherwise the same as regular anodization but has better durability against wear and such?I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Why no QMK? Something else?I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Just wondering, but why no QMK? I find it pretty easy to work around. What would you prefer?
He's probably looking for bootmapper client :yuck: QMK is so much more powerful than anything else around
Definitely interested, though this might get pricey! I presume hard anodization is otherwise the same as regular anodization but has better durability against wear and such?I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Why no QMK? Something else?I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Just wondering, but why no QMK? I find it pretty easy to work around. What would you prefer?
He's probably looking for bootmapper client :yuck: QMK is so much more powerful than anything else around
Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.
Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.
Yeah QMK does have pain-points, I would love to have a defined installation that allows me to create a keymap firmware without worrying about dependencies and OS versions. Right now I can't use QMK with Pearl40% because my Ubuntu is too old to compile to the correct AVR target for instance.
I think QMK developers are working on making the whole process simpler, e.g. removing setup steps and allowing folks to just get the keymaps they need via some API.
I like QMK but I do agree that it is not for everyone at least right now. Gladly there are some tools to bypass QMK at least. :)
Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.
Yeah QMK does have pain-points, I would love to have a defined installation that allows me to create a keymap firmware without worrying about dependencies and OS versions. Right now I can't use QMK with Pearl40% because my Ubuntu is too old to compile to the correct AVR target for instance.
I think QMK developers are working on making the whole process simpler, e.g. removing setup steps and allowing folks to just get the keymaps they need via some API.
I like QMK but I do agree that it is not for everyone at least right now. Gladly there are some tools to bypass QMK at least. :)
Well, I'd be happy to help build keymaps for people. I have one board with bootmapper and it is a significantly more painful process just to remap a few keys.
I just re-setup my build environment the other day and it was pretty painless, on windows at least. Install msys2, run a script that's included in the source code (which actually sets everything up for you). Good to go =D
As one of those non-programmers this entire conversation shows that I'm about 30 IQ points short of understanding what exactly I've gotten myself into with this board. :))
Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.
Yeah QMK does have pain-points, I would love to have a defined installation that allows me to create a keymap firmware without worrying about dependencies and OS versions. Right now I can't use QMK with Pearl40% because my Ubuntu is too old to compile to the correct AVR target for instance.
I think QMK developers are working on making the whole process simpler, e.g. removing setup steps and allowing folks to just get the keymaps they need via some API.
I like QMK but I do agree that it is not for everyone at least right now. Gladly there are some tools to bypass QMK at least. :)
Well, I'd be happy to help build keymaps for people. I have one board with bootmapper and it is a significantly more painful process just to remap a few keys.
I just re-setup my build environment the other day and it was pretty painless, on windows at least. Install msys2, run a script that's included in the source code (which actually sets everything up for you). Good to go =D
My setup is a fork at GitHub and the official repo is an upstream. The dependencies need to be installed once and after that, you can just make HEX files with `git pull upstream master && git submodules init` and `make board:layout` with flashing using `dfu-programmer` (or `bootloadHID`). Makes it pretty simple to get upstream enhancements and send pull requests for your layouts and other things. Have not used QMK with Windows so would not know about that though.
For non-programmers, this is pure hell though. QMK should have a single binary which reads a somawhat human-readable keymap file and outputs a HEX for you, with the option of auto-flashing on supported boards/MCUs for the layout. And no, using something like Docker for a "binary" is just not the same. People want a simple qmk.exe which they can run.
As one of those non-programmers this entire conversation shows that I'm about 30 IQ points short of understanding what exactly I've gotten myself into with this board. :))
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
I'd much prefer TMK over QMK.
I know that some people want the brass weight and might be willing to spend that "endgame price" so if pricing from other factories look the same as they do now, I might offer the case without a weight at the 300-350 mark and then a special edition of sorts with nicer finishes (something like a hard ano or MAO), a brass weight and a brass plate at a higher price. (450-550)Would that "special edition" version of the board be a limited number sale or would it be as open and the cheaper version?
I know that some people want the brass weight and might be willing to spend that "endgame price" so if pricing from other factories look the same as they do now, I might offer the case without a weight at the 300-350 mark and then a special edition of sorts with nicer finishes (something like a hard ano or MAO), a brass weight and a brass plate at a higher price. (450-550)Would that "special edition" version of the board be a limited number sale or would it be as open and the cheaper version?
Need to clarify: will this support a split right shift or not? Just rechecked the key layout and it is missing.
Are you still considering a plate with a mirrored numpad (ie. + and enter key on the left side of the plate) ?
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Also, just a little food for thought, but without the need for a weight, there's a possibility of doing a full acrylic bottom for underglow since I'm 100% against putting threads into the acrylic since the stuff cracks when you even slightly overtorque anything.
From an aesthetic perspective, I would suggest taking a close look at the spacings on the F-row which I think could do with a bit of massaging. I would add another key on the left cluster, and equalize the spacing on the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12].
Alternatively, if you want to keep the 3-key cluster on the left, you could increase the space to the righ of [esc] to equalize the gaps either side of it.
I see what you're saying but I don't think the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12] portion should be changed. On a full size, this is the spacing that they *should* have. And I don't really think that the 3 keys above the numpad make it feel "unbalanced" at all.
However, I'd be in favor of reducing the keys above the numbad (from 3 to 1 or 2) in favor of adding a small/simple logo or some engraving there. Thoughts?
Omg. I am so excited about this. I have to post again.
I see what you're saying but I don't think the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12] portion should be changed. On a full size, this is the spacing that they *should* have. And I don't really think that the 3 keys above the numpad make it feel "unbalanced" at all.
However, I'd be in favor of reducing the keys above the numbad (from 3 to 1 or 2) in favor of adding a small/simple logo or some engraving there. Thoughts?
It's not the number of keys per se, I was mostly focused on the varied spacings between the blocks: currently there is seems to be 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 1, and 1.25. From a design perspective, the fewer unique cases the better, otherwise it risks looking inconsistent, regardless of the logic behind it. Increasing the space to the right of [esc] and closing up the spaces between the F-blocks could reduce the unique cases, though I haven't studied this and of course it would affect the *should have* spacing. It's a balancing act to keep precedent and a unified feel both satisfied.
EDIT: by closing I don't mean to zero - a 0.25u shift right would help the balance. However, this does break the alignment at F1 and the keys below. I would take that hit as the F-rows are an independent block and alignment doesn't read with the adjacent number row as strongly as the inconsistent spaces, but it's understandable if others wouldn't, esp. if the intent is to keep everything compact, especially if the form is compact.
EDIT2: on looking again, my first edit is not the solution as the F5-8 block would need to shift right by 0.125u and not give the universal result I thought it could. It would need to be a different fix. Or, as you say, leave it be. Alignment is a ***** in design, usually two sacred requirements are in direct opposition.
I see what you're saying but I don't think the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12] portion should be changed. On a full size, this is the spacing that they *should* have. And I don't really think that the 3 keys above the numpad make it feel "unbalanced" at all.
However, I'd be in favor of reducing the keys above the numbad (from 3 to 1 or 2) in favor of adding a small/simple logo or some engraving there. Thoughts?
It's not the number of keys per se, I was mostly focused on the varied spacings between the blocks: currently there is seems to be 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 1, and 1.25. From a design perspective, the fewer unique cases the better, otherwise it risks looking inconsistent, regardless of the logic behind it. Increasing the space to the right of [esc] and closing up the spaces between the F-blocks could reduce the unique cases, though I haven't studied this and of course it would affect the *should have* spacing. It's a balancing act to keep precedent and a unified feel both satisfied.
EDIT: by closing I don't mean to zero - a 0.25u shift right would help the balance. However, this does break the alignment at F1 and the keys below. I would take that hit as the F-rows are an independent block and alignment doesn't read with the adjacent number row as strongly as the inconsistent spaces, but it's understandable if others wouldn't, esp. if the intent is to keep everything compact, especially if the form is compact.
EDIT2: on looking again, my first edit is not the solution as the F5-8 block would need to shift right by 0.125u and not give the universal result I thought it could. It would need to be a different fix. Or, as you say, leave it be. Alignment is a ***** in design, usually two sacred requirements are in direct opposition.
My initial idea here was to keep the same spacing as a traditional TKL and add have 3 keys instead of 1 above the numpad. I wasn't really sure what you would do with 1 key, but with 3 you can map macros onto them or use the firmware to configure them as NCS indicators.
Any word on which version of USB?
Could we get a live color swab? I'd love to plan way ahead.
I'll most likely offer a polycarb half plate for those who want it. Polycarbonate as it will give a more consistent feel across the board. The "plate-less" parts will be cut for the alphas as well as the number pad area. Some images below for you guys to get an idea.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nsqgul9.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WnQquEd.png)
Google says hard-ano feels smoother, but is thicker, harder and more sturdy than normal ano.
What's the difference between normal black and hard-ano black?
Google says hard-ano feels smoother, but is thicker, harder and more sturdy than normal ano.
What's the difference between normal black and hard-ano black?
Though I didn't find anything regarding different looks right now.
Here's a decent video that shows the difference in durability between the two.Wow, thanks!
Here's a decent video that shows the difference in durability between the two.Wow, thanks!
That looks like I'll have to get one in hard-ano, the surface looks like onehundred times better. So smooth...
That doesn't mean that these two parts were made by the same shop. But yea, I'm pretty sure it generally looks smoother like that. Someone more knowledgeable should probably correct me here.While looking up the differences I read that it'd be smoother, so I guess the two in the video might be from the same company, with the single difference being hard and normal ano.
E: Why do I even always quote the previous message? Context should be quite obvious...
Now I can't decide between WKL and Full!Take wkl for the looks!
Now I can't decide between WKL and Full!Take wkl for the looks!
Do you use ralt and rctl?Now I can't decide between WKL and Full!Take wkl for the looks!
I use the Windows key for a couple of shortcuts (Windows start, run, screenshot, desktop, etc) :( I guess I could rebind the windows key to one of the 3 extra keys on top of the numpad tho!
For those that want weights, I just remembered that you could calculate weight with fusion. The SE kit comes to roughly 3.7kg with the 7075 case, brass plate and brass weight while the ST Kit comes to 2.2kg with the 6061 case and aluminum plate.
These are much heftier than I realized. Even more so when you factor in that the weight doesn't include the PCB, switches and keycaps. Shipping might be more from the factory to me so prices might be on the high end of estimates, but I haven't done any exact calculations yet. Nevertheless, you'll have a damn hefty keyboard. ;)
Any updates on this? Can’t wait!
Any updates on this? Can’t wait!
Proto will be made in a few weeks after I finish fulfilling southpaw65. Gotta finish that first.
Will it be possible to add a brass weight to the standard edition? I want the colour options of ST, with the weight of LTD if possible.
Will it be possible to add a brass weight to the standard edition? I want the colour options of ST, with the weight of LTD if possible.
Color options are the same for both variants. Both normal and premium finishes will be available, but the premium finishes have an additional price tacked onto them.
Will it be possible to add a brass weight to the standard edition? I want the colour options of ST, with the weight of LTD if possible.
Color options are the same for both variants. Both normal and premium finishes will be available, but the premium finishes have an additional price tacked onto them.
Sorry I thought that 7075 aluminum wasn’t easy to colour like 6061, which is why dark grey and black are offered for it. Did I misunderstand that?
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7jnQGn4.jpg)
VerySoon™
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)
If numpad is on the right side ... perfect!
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)
If numpad is on the right side ... perfect!
If numpad is on the right side ... perfect!
I'll announce the exact date on the Reddit IC later tonight or tomorrow.
I'll announce the exact date on the Reddit IC later tonight or tomorrow.
Sorry if I missed it, but is there a link to the Reddit IC post you mentioned?
I'll announce the exact date on the Reddit IC later tonight or tomorrow.
Sorry if I missed it, but is there a link to the Reddit IC post you mentioned?
A link would be nice since I missed it too
Alright. The reddit IC post is up and running. I'm going through and finalizing things at the moment and cleaning up the top post to better reflect what the final GB post will look like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/8we633/ic_southpaw_full_size/
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.
Between the numpad and main portion?
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.
Between the numpad and main portion?
Yes sir Mr. Xondat. I'm sure that board already exists, right?
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.
Between the numpad and main portion?
Yes sir Mr. Xondat. I'm sure that board already exists, right?
A board like that does exist iirc, but the idea here with the nav cluster on the opposite side of the numpad was that you could use the arrow keys to navigate through things like a spreadsheet or photo album and put numbers or values in simultaneously without having to keep moving your hand from one place to the other.
Any estimate on what time it will open on 7/16? I'll be on vacation and will need to arrange WiFi access to enter.
Colors+Finishes - Cyan, purple, and red will only be available with in the 6-series alloy.You also included blue, green, and orange anodizing on the IC; will they be available during the GB?
- Black
- Grey
- Silver
- Cyan
- Purple
- Red
- Hard Anodized Black
- Raw (Without any finishing)
Colors+Finishes - Cyan, purple, and red will only be available with in the 6-series alloy.You also included blue, green, and orange anodizing on the IC; will they be available during the GB?
- Black
- Grey
- Silver
- Cyan
- Purple
- Red
- Hard Anodized Black
- Raw (Without any finishing)
Any estimate on what time it will open on 7/16? I'll be on vacation and will need to arrange WiFi access to enter.
Same question here. I'll be on the other side of the world for business, so this will likely be in the middle of the night for me; need to set an alarm.
What site/where will the GB be once it's open?
12:00am Monday July 16th
12:00am Monday July 16th
I don't think I saw it posted anywhere, what time zone is this please?
12:00am Monday July 16th
I don't think I saw it posted anywhere, what time zone is this please?
heh, time zone is kinda important. Somehow forgot about that
Will be 12:00am PST unless something drastic happens. I'll probably be sending an email out that weekend
Who is https://switchplate.co/ ?I believe Switchplate is OP's (reconsiderit's) storefront.
Have they ever done a GB before?
What about Europe?
Thanks!
12:00am Monday July 16th
I don't think I saw it posted anywhere, what time zone is this please?
heh, time zone is kinda important. Somehow forgot about that
Will be 12:00am PST unless something drastic happens. I'll probably be sending an email out that weekend
12:00am Monday July 16thOh. Midnight pst isn't very nice to the timezones to the east.
12:00am Monday July 16thOh. Midnight pst isn't very nice to the timezones to the east.
My thoughts exactly. 3am EST -- :eek:
12:00am Monday July 16thOh. Midnight pst isn't very nice to the timezones to the east.
My thoughts exactly. 3am EST -- :eek:
And I'll be somewhere over the Atlantic, nearing France at that time. So it'll be like 6am.
Also, we're on daylight tine, not standard. So that makes it a bit confusing. Do you actually mean pst reconsiderit?
Who is https://switchplate.co/ ?I believe Switchplate is OP's (reconsiderit's) storefront.
Have they ever done a GB before?
What about Europe?
Thanks!
Same place that did the Southpaw 65%.
This is a small GB, so there probably won't be proxies. But it's just an assumption. You'll have to wait and see what OP says.
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Any speculation on how much international shipping will be? A DHL option would be really nice to have because they are far more reliable (and careful) than the standard post.
Is it possible to do local pickup to save shipping?
This still dropping 12pm PST? And have the final prices been set?12AM on the 16th.
This still dropping 12pm PST? And have the final prices been set?12AM on the 16th.
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Ah yeah my bad. It’s 3am EST for me.This still dropping 12pm PST? And have the final prices been set?12AM on the 16th.
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Colors are finalized. I should be getting actual pictures of the samples tomorrow and then the physical pieces during the week. For reference, 10190c is the color that is on the first proto that is pictured all the way at the top.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/m7QrtJm.jpg)
Edit: Silver and black aren't in that picture, but I think you can imagine what those colors look like on aluminum.
Colors are finalized. I should be getting actual pictures of the samples tomorrow and then the physical pieces during the week. For reference, 10190c is the color that is on the first proto that is pictured all the way at the top.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/m7QrtJm.jpg)
Edit: Silver and black aren't in that picture, but I think you can imagine what those colors look like on aluminum.
So these are all in Pantone 10190 C? It looks pinkish-grey in the top photos & blueish-grey in the bottom.
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What shipping option is recommended for Canada?
Hey reconsiderit, how much will extra pcbs cost?
Hey reconsiderit, how much will extra pcbs cost?
PCBs are 35 USD.
aw man... I hope this GB is running long enough for me to hop on in late August... probs not, but one can still hope ;)
Might be sold out by then. I forget how many units it's limited to.
Might be sold out by then. I forget how many units it's limited to.
65 iirc.
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Where did you guy order from? I was up last night looking at his website and it wasn't on there.https://switchplate.co/collections/southpaw-full-size-group-buy?utm_source=Southpaw+FS+Interest+List&utm_campaign=57879e6d63-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_07_15_05_13&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_581ab0affc-57879e6d63-86706067&mc_cid=57879e6d63&mc_eid=c4c0698fc5
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Might be sold out by then. I forget how many units it's limited to.
65 iirc.
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ah, it's got max unit number, not moq... ok, rip
maybe R2 sometime
Hey reconsiderit: if I forgot to add laser engraving, can I do it after I placed my main order?
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Has the acrylic half plate option been taken out? I could not select it...
It says half plates aren't available anymore... are they all sold out already?
Thanks sir!Hey reconsiderit: if I forgot to add laser engraving, can I do it after I placed my main order?
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Yep. Add it and put your original order number down in the comments when ordering.
For engraving, will the engraved pattern be black? Or will it all be the brass color? Sorry, just deciding on a pattern.Hey reconsiderit: if I forgot to add laser engraving, can I do it after I placed my main order?
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Yep. Add it and put your original order number down in the comments when ordering.