[GB] Phantom Parts and Assembly Services (Update Posted 2018/07/23)

[metalliqaz]

I'm out.

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Go away, kiddo.

[kmiller8]

Go away, kiddo.

Oh I'm sorry. Here let me join the hate train, uhh.... TheProfosist is literally the Wisconsin hitler, le xD. can I stay now?

[metalliqaz]

nope.

[kmiller8]

[The_Ed]

$8 for stabilizers?! I've sold a few bags worth at $1 per stabilizer... (75cents for WFD)

TheProfosist was also a dropout of my Krytox GPL 200 GB... Why did he order one in the first place?!... He said he didn't have any money, but that same day he bought a GirlDC black whale and 3 aluminum spacebars! (Over $200!!)

[metalliqaz]

well... that would certainly explain the lack of money...

[The_Ed]

well... that would certainly explain the lack of money...

Except that I had already bought the tube for him, and he owed me the money for it. Someone else had to cover for his order.

[WhiteFireDragon]

You can view your order here please pm me if you need to change anything http://tinyurl.com/afxd5o8

Quick number crunching. According to this spreadsheet, he has collected $6004 + paypal fees. He still has not ordered stabilizers ($456), LEDs ($156), still owes 7bit ($132), and still owes me ($225). That is a $969 deficit. Assuming no parts were for profit, he still collected $1255 in assembly fees.

So basically that is $2,224 that is unaccounted for. Either a terrible miscalculation on his part, or that GB money he collected was spent on personal things. I just cannot believe this.... someone check my math.

[7bit]

You can view your order here please pm me if you need to change anything http://tinyurl.com/afxd5o8

Quick number crunching. According to this spreadsheet, he has collected $6004 + paypal fees. He still has not ordered stabilizers ($456), LEDs ($156), still owes 7bit ($132), and still owes me ($225). That is a $969 deficit. Assuming no parts were for profit, he still collected $1255 in assembly fees.

So basically that is $2,224 that is unaccounted for. Either a terrible miscalculation on his part, or that GB money he collected was spent on personal things. I just cannot believe this.... someone check my math.

He ordered fewer switches as in the graphic (3939 instead of 4755).

Some people did not pay or jumped off, but he did not update the list.

I'm not sure if this had any effect on volume rebates. Did not effect the switches however, as the price stayed the same.

[SmallFry]

Just added it all up from the spreadsheet. My data may also be irrelevant compared to WFD etc. Just sharing what I have to offer.

[WhiteFireDragon]

I don't think you can count the ergo-dox stuff with this GB. He didn't buy them all himself, and massdrop hasn't given him the assembly money for them yet (according to him).

[SmallFry]

Took it out of the spread sheet then. Whoops.

[The_Ed]

After paying the rest, there are still $228.54 left.

How much has he spent in GroupBuy's and sales since then though?

[SmallFry]

[sleepy916]

So I've been waiting and hoping things would get rolling but it seems it is at a stand still.

This is what I gather as of right now, please correct me if I'm wrong. The Prof is waiting on more switches, but even if he got the switches he does not have the pcbs or plates to start building. He is broke and can not buy the remaing parts to complete builds some of the people listed. We continue the waiting game.

I sent my QFR to him months ago to be salvaged for switches and stabilizers, so I'm ok in that regard but the plates and pcbs won't be shipping to him because of obvious reasons. I'm not even sure what the next step is. I kind of just want to cut my loses and have somebody like Smallfry pick up the stuff from him. At least then I'm just losing the assembly money.

[pasph]

So? we have to pay for shipping again? ok, how many months for this to happen?

[cgbuen]

Here's some info (mainly ErgoDox-related) I've been able to gather that might be helpful, if anyone is looking for some more info to this knowledge-base of a thread:

In late January/early February, I ordered an ErgoDox without switches & ErgoDox assembly from him via the MassDrop "GB" for it, and I also ordered MX Whites via this Phantom Parts GB. The plan was to have the Dox built with those MX Whites. In early April, MD mistakenly sent me an unassembled ErgoDox, but I told them I wanted it assembled, like I've ordered it. They sent me a label to send it to him. I've sent it to him and the tracking said it was delivered - again, this was about two months ago.

Via this thread, MX Whites might not be available at the moment (or at least not all of them) because 7bit did not quite have enough available prior to the pre-order status that they're currently in (which should end by July or something). Also, SF has said something like Prof doesn't want to build ErgoDoxes until he has all the parts from this Phantom GB.

MD has not charged me for the assembly at any point. That might be a holdup through this whole situation. But it's kind of weird how it's all kind of coming around in circles (the possibility that MD doesn't want to charge buyers to give to Prof until they know the builds are going to happen; him not wanting to build until he has parts; not being able to get all parts because of what's available/what he still owes 7bit via cash he needs to get from MD).

And until I get anything I'm down ~$310 (aluminum Dox, MX Whites) with the possibility of $60 more (assembly that hasn't been charged yet).

[metafour]

Didn't he sell some of his Korean keyboards earlier this year as well?

EDIT: Looks like it was late last year/early this year that a lot of stuff was sold. And then there was his auctioning services.

[The_Ed]

It's a good thing he didn't get any GH60 orders as well. I still find it 'interesting' that he has links to his downfall in his signature...

I think he has a spending problem, and needs psychiatric help. (Of course I just received 60 more pounds of POS boards today >$1100...)

[AKIMbO]

There's got to be a way to triage this GB....

[jdcarpe]

There is most certainly a way to save this GB. But the only person who could do it is TheProfosist himself. He needs to visit his bank and take out a personal loan. Then he could ship out the parts he has on hand, and refund people who have requested it. If he can't handle the assembly services himself, he needs to contract with someone else to take over that work, and pay them the money he has already collected for assembly. Then he can pay back the loan on his own, without tying up other people's money or goods while he gets his finances in order.

[metafour]

NINJA loans aren't real.

[pasph]

There is most certainly a way to save this GB. But the only person who could do it is TheProfosist himself. He needs to visit his bank and take out a personal loan. Then he could ship out the parts he has on hand, and refund people who have requested it. If he can't handle the assembly services himself, he needs to contract with someone else to take over that work, and pay them the money he has already collected for assembly. Then he can pay back the loan on his own, without tying up other people's money or goods while he gets his finances in order.

Strange, when i said that he have to ship what he have in his hands and refund what he can't ship they said that this is a gb and not a vendor sell, that this is unreasonable...

[KuhnTang]

at what point do we fill out a police report?

[metalliqaz]

lol like the police would care

edit for clarity: don't confuse criminal matters with civil matters

[jdcarpe]

at what point do we fill out a police report?

A police report would do no good, as it is a civil matter, mostly. I say mostly, because fraud is a criminal offense. You could always contact the attorney general of Wisconsin, for advice on how to pursue criminal charges.

For civil remedy, probably the best way to start would be to send what is called a "demand letter" to him, via certified mail, return receipt requested. That would at least go to show a small claims court that you had pursued your available options toward getting your money returned or goods sent. If you need his address, I'm sure someone has done business with him here before, and could possibly have that information. Or maybe just a good internet search.

[SmallFry]

SF has said something like Prof doesn't want to build ErgoDoxes until he has all the parts from this Phantom GB.

I apologize for any confusion, but I don't think that Prof can assemble the eDoxen currently due to not having all the parts from Massdrop, not this GB.

[affect656]

Willing to just cut losses and pay him to ship my PLU-87 somewhere else

[The_Ed]

Willing to just cut losses and pay him to ship my PLU-87 somewhere else

You're just risking losing even more money...

I wonder if he used the money from this to pay off some other debt of his.

[KuhnTang]

Actually it is a serious matter, Fraud, theft, whatever, once you cross $400 or $500 I forget which.  Then you have crossing multiple state lines.  To the laymen it may not seem like much, but $6000 over multiple state lines is more serious than you may think.

[metalliqaz]

Actually it is a serious matter, Fraud, theft, whatever, once you cross $400 or $500 I forget which.  Then you have crossing multiple state lines.  To the laymen it may not seem like much, but $6000 over multiple state lines is more serious than you may think.

It would be nice if you could go crying to the cops every time a deal goes bad but you can't.  If there's any possibility that the deal is legit, the government won't get involved.  Even crooked contractors that make off with $15 grand after dropping off a yard sign and a wheelbarrow don't get pursued.  "They dropped off that wheelbarrow, they must have done something!"  It happens every day.

[Glod]

man this guy is like the most hated person on geek hack right now, I seriously doubt he will respond anymore.

[TheQsanity]

He's not yelling us everything. He obviously spent the money somewhere else and has no reason to spill the truth. Something to him is more important than a couple dozen people and the validity of his words.
Is he on crack? Is he visiting the casino? Does he owe daddy money? Is it the Mafia?
It seems nothing anyone has said have been more important than what he's been using his money on.

[TheQsanity]

You can view your order here please pm me if you need to change anything http://tinyurl.com/afxd5o8

Quick number crunching. According to this spreadsheet, he has collected $6004 + paypal fees. He still has not ordered stabilizers ($456), LEDs ($156), still owes 7bit ($132), and still owes me ($225). That is a $969 deficit. Assuming no parts were for profit, he still collected $1255 in assembly fees.

So basically that is $2,224 that is unaccounted for. Either a terrible miscalculation on his part, or that GB money he collected was spent on personal things. I just cannot believe this.... someone check my math.

He ordered fewer switches as in the graphic (3939 instead of 4755).

Some people did not pay or jumped off, but he did not update the list.

I'm not sure if this had any effect on volume rebates. Did not effect the switches however, as the price stayed the same.

He obviously owes money but that may be a poor representation on how much money he actually collected.

Many people changed their orders. I for one changed my order for mx whites a long time ago, I was charged for whites but the public spreadsheet never changed. I found it a little odd and contacting him about it was a pain.

Is the public spreadsheet strategically not updated to throw us off?

He "recently" shared his excel document that was claimed to have orders correctly represented. I have it on my desktop.
I hope everyone downloaded it and checked if the document represents what they've been charged and post here to confirm.
More people need to speak up. Wether it's "my order is correct" or "my order is incorrect".

[SpAmRaY]

Is he on crack?

This could cause major shipping issues....

[Rendom]

Just send 90 MX clear to alaric so he can assemble it, send it to me and reach my hand before I left my country. THANK YOU!

[pasph]

He answered to my mail and he state he will ship my items "soon as I borrowed a accurate enough scale to weigh the switches and just bought some batteries for it (gah button batteries are way too expensive)."

Have i to to laugh or to cry?

[The_Ed]

An accurate scale using button cells?!

Pics or it doesn't exist.

[Rendom]

He answered to my mail and he state he will ship my items "soon as I borrowed a accurate enough scale to weigh the switches and just bought some batteries for it (gah button batteries are way too expensive)."

Have i to to laugh or to cry?

OK, PROF you count 90 mx clears. NO NEED WEIGHT just count 90 pieces of MX clears. send to Alaric I'll pay the postage for my mx clears.

[The_Ed]

I count switches by putting them in piles of 5, 4 across. That's 20 per row, and it's a very easy and accurate method. It takes barely any time at all.

If he's counting switches by weighing them, then people aren't going to get the amount they paid for. They'll be getting +/- a few.

[FabsSpeed]

So he has 3 complete boards from me, lots of keys etc .. what can I do now ?

[mashby]

We are all in a waiting game to see what TheProfosist has to say for himself. Only then will we know just how boned we are. 

[SmallFry]

I have some IRC logs from last night, but I was a bit pissy. I can post them later if you guys want. TL;DR He still claims he can assemble the boards and that he will find money for stabs to assemble them. He has no idea where the stab money is coming from.

[Rendom]

I hope he can do math and count the switches ASAP.

[Paranoid]

I asked for a refund before this thing blew up since he hadn't even ordered the stabs or leds. I only ordered one stab set and two leds so I don't see the harm in that but of course no response what so ever hard to do of course when you have no money..

[mashby]

I have some IRC logs from last night, but I was a bit pissy. I can post them later if you guys want. TL;DR He still claims he can assemble the boards and that he will find money for stabs to assemble them. He has no idea where the stab money is coming from.

Yeah, like anyone wants him touching their board. Jeebus!

I asked for a refund before this thing blew up since he hadn't even ordered the stabs or leds. I only ordered one stab set and two leds so I don't see the harm in that but of course no response what so ever hard to do of course when you have no money..

I ordered a PLU and full assembly services, so I'm out $164.

It's like we're having to deal with a child that won't come out of his room. I keep thinking that we should call his daddy and have him sort this thing all out.

[SpAmRaY]

It's like we're having to deal with a child that won't come out of his room. I keep thinking that we should call his daddy and have him sort this thing all out.

Mashby keeping it real. If only life were still this simple (it used to be). 

[pasph]

I hope he can do math and count the switches ASAP.

Maybe we can have a whip round to buy him something like this
http://www.shimadzu.com/an/balance/analytical/auw-d.html

[Jupiter]

I hope he can do math and count the switches ASAP.

Maybe we can have a whip round to buy him something like this
http://www.shimadzu.com/an/balance/analytical/auw-d.html

He doesn't need a scale. He simply needs to spend 30 seconds counting each lot out.

[nubbinator]

He doesn't need a scale. He simply needs to spend 30 seconds counting each lot out.

The scale is probably for shipping, or at least I would hope.  I just bought myself a cheap kitchen scale for that.