Post by: janglad on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:00:09
I'd like to introduce you to GMK Modern Dolch Light, a brighter variation of the popular GMK Modern Dolch!
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Inspiration/Naming
As the name might suggest, Modern Dolch Light was born out of Modern Dolch. Me and Dixiemech realised that a lightened up version of MoDo looked great and after some tweaking this is what we came up with. Modern Dolch light features cool greys on both the alphas and modifiers. It uses the grey from Modern Dolch modifiers, for the legends, to give it that unique low contrast and calming look. To add some vibrancy we added a variation of the familiar cyan and red/pink accents found in the original Modern Dolch.
Now I now the naming might not make sense, this isn't a Dolch set after all. GMK Modern Dolch Light is a derivative of GMK Modern Dolch which is a derivative of OG Dolch. While this set is not necessarily a Dolch colorway, the name is there to show the origin of the design. One thing is for sure, this set will settle perfectly in every collection as an easy-on-the-eyes colorway that will go with any keyboard!
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Kits
With the success of GMK 9009 R3 kit structure and GMK MoDoL also having two accents, we decided to use the same kit structure with some minor changes. As you can probably tell there are a lot of them, so we'll possibly revaluate some of them after form feedback (especially Alternate, Command and Norde). So if you're interested in these please do fill in the form linked at the bottom of this post!
Standard
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The standard kits has compatibility for the most popular layouts in the community. It features the reworked icon mods introduced with GMK 8008/9009 and has accent option for both escape and enter keys.
Addition
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Addition adds support for 660c style layouts, ISO UK, 60%s with arrows and boards with an F13 key like the TGR Jane V2 CE. It also adds alternate legend options for 65% layouts and more.
Numbers
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Numbers adds compatibility for layouts with a numbed. It also includes the keys needed to outfit a 1800 style layout.
Obscure
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Obscure adds support for 40% layouts, both staggered and ortholinear, and split spacebar boards.
Aesthetic
(https://i.imgur.com/7BRGDKx.jpg)
Aesthetic is for those of you who like to add a little bit of colour to your boards, either through extra accents or through LEDs under lock keys. It also adds both centred and offset 6u spacebar support.
Alternate
(https://i.imgur.com/LdvvVaE.jpg)
Alternate “alternates” the existing colours on some keys. This kit is great if you enjoy monochrome accents or a more uniform looking f row.
Command
(https://i.imgur.com/GLtt9eQ.jpg)
Command is specifically aimed at Mac users by adding correct legends for Command and Option keys.
Modern
(https://i.imgur.com/xXmNAnc.jpg)
Modern adds the option for a full icon bottom row. It also includes a more modern take on the arrows, caps lock and tab keys.
Norde
(https://i.imgur.com/WRy4cYC.jpg)
This kit adds compatibility for ISO NO, SE, FL, DK, DE layouts.
The group buy
GMK Modern Dolch Light will be sold by the amazing vendors linked below throughout February. Pricing will be announced later, but pricing will be similar to GMK 9009.
- Dailyclack for Oceania
- Dixiemech for the US
- Mykeyboard for Europe
- iLumkb for Asia
Render gallery
Bauer By Dixiemech
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Chimera by Cannonkeys
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910 RE by TGR
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HBCP by Hineybush
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J-02 by Jae
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M60 by RAMA
(https://i.imgur.com/NlSdVrk.jpg)
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U80 by RAMA
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Polaris by Ai03
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XRF by Noxary
(https://i.imgur.com/9Sx1n5l.jpg)
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Kendo by Project Keyboard
(https://i.imgur.com/eAFJwY5.jpg)
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No. 1/60 by Keycult
(https://i.imgur.com/TeKskoD.jpg)
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Dharma by me and Ye_Cole
(https://i.imgur.com/cpX94S4.jpg)
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Special thanks to
- All vendors as always, and especially Dixiemech for not only being a vendor but also doing a lot of work on the design of this set.
- 159, Ai03, Jae, Hiney, Upas, TaehaTypes and Xondat for helping us promote this set!
If you're interested in GMK Modern Dolch light please fill in this form. It helps a lot with decisions around kit design! (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfU-XjGRAJ0bXVqIu_-UTOs0INS4tfdowQlklXtwovUyYSgWQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
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Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:00:37
Post by: janglad on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:00:43
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Post by: JerkChicken456 on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:03:08
very nice set! i'm in
Post by: bard on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:06:34
Post by: Rensuya on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:06:47
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Post by: JacobTN on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:07:47
Post by: janglad on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:08:06
how does it compare to GMK Muted?
Slightly lighter modifiers/alphas, legends are quite a bit lighter (Modern Dolch gray vs CR on Muted), different accents. Also different modifiers of course.
Post by: Visionaire on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:08:46
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Post by: trg1234 on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:14:13
Post by: janglad on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:14:24
Are any of the colors stock?
Nope
Post by: bard on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:14:37
how does it compare to GMK Muted?
Slightly lighter modifiers/alphas, legends are quite a bit lighter (Modern Dolch gray vs CR on Muted), different accents. Also different modifiers of course.
fine for me :thumb:
Post by: BorisDunks on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:16:56
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Post by: PotatoTM on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:53:12
Though I do wish it would be ePBT or something, so many GMK sets recently and this set seems dye-sub able
Post by: Tonkatonk on Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:55:33
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Post by: juliandoucette on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:06:44
I'd rather a re-run of Modern Dolch though; honestly. I don't know how I missed that one.
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:08:56
some wishes ;D
+1 Alt Gr key (1.5u & 1.25u) in either the Norde kit or Addition kit,
+1 Alternate colored ISO enter in either the Addition kit or Alternative kit would be dope :p
<3
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:10:58
Frekin amazing renders Janglad!
some wishes ;D
+1 Alt Gr key (1.5u & 1.25u) in either the Norde kit or Addition kit,
+1 Alternate colored ISO enter in either the Addition kit or Alternative kit would be dope :p
<3
Alt Gr would make this a muted clone :D
Post by: Macmutant on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:12:58
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:18:29
Frekin amazing renders Janglad!
some wishes ;D
+1 Alt Gr key (1.5u & 1.25u) in either the Norde kit or Addition kit,
+1 Alternate colored ISO enter in either the Addition kit or Alternative kit would be dope :p
<3
Alt Gr would make this a muted clone :D
ah didn't know :confused: my prime thought was, it's really needed for the nordekit/eu folks
Post by: ja.ze on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:21:13
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Post by: The_Royal on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:27:56
This is my kind of keyset right here...
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:36:14
Maybe not many would be interests in this: could one of the sets get light grey split spacebars?
Post by: Shenpai on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:38:00
it's trueShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/N7KlGHa.png)
Post by: SolidCactus on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:41:15
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Post by: Tonkatonk on Sun, 13 October 2019, 17:56:30
Any way we can get a side by side comparison with Muted? I would like to see how different they really are.Look at Duckboi's pic
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Post by: dallman5 on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:35:34
I think it's lovely. But I also think it's close to muted and people have wanted a rerun of muted for a long time. I think you could blow MOQ out of the water with muted R2. We have hydro R2 coming (splash), so it's seems appropriate, right? Maybe offer a yellow accent with it for all of the e-yellow boards coming out?
I agree with your comments on muted. I’d love if someone just reran GMK Muted with an R5 bottom row.
+1 R5
I like the set a lot but I’m not a big fan of the name; the colorway doesn’t even remotely resemble Dolch. If anything you made a GMK Modern 9009 since you’re using those same green and red accents. I mean Modern Dolch was a tonally cooled down version of Dolch whereas this is more or less a tonally cooled down version of 9009.
Post by: steezkeez on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:44:19
I think it's lovely. But I also think it's close to muted and people have wanted a rerun of muted for a long time. I think you could blow MOQ out of the water with muted R2. We have hydro R2 coming (splash), so it's seems appropriate, right? Maybe offer a yellow accent with it for all of the e-yellow boards coming out?
Pretty sure the original runner of Muted has stated that there are no plans to re-run the set (and multiple people have attempted this already). So unless he changes his mind, this is the only way we’re gonna be able to get a Muted-like set.
Post by: rora on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:50:53
Post by: MMKB on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:13:12
How white is the alpha? Is it the GMK CP or a custom grey?
Post by: gotham on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:20:13
Post by: itsundone on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:31:07
Naming wise it’s admittedly far from the OG Dolch and is basically a desaturated 9009.
I agree with this, i see nothing Dolch on it
should be named modern 9009 instead
but nice set, will be in for sure
Post by: GarrettSucks on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:33:57
Very muted — pun intended — but honestly it’s the best looking set I’ve seen this year. The base kit is also trimmed down which is a big win. Naming wise it’s admittedly far from the OG Dolch and is basically a desaturated 9009.
How white is the alpha? Is it the GMK CP or a custom grey?
All of the colors are custom RAL colors along with the custom Modern Dolch Gray for the alphas.
And here is a the quote from the second paragraph of the IC post about the name
"Now I now the naming might not make sense, this isn't a Dolch set after all. GMK Modern Dolch Light is a derivative of GMK Modern Dolch which is a derivative of OG Dolch. While this set is not necessarily a Dolch colorway, the name is there to show the origin of the design..."
Post by: Solotov on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:41:13
Post by: dydy124 on Sun, 13 October 2019, 20:05:53
Edit: I originally gave feedback, but I realised I didn't fully read the IC post. Things are really well written and presented as usual with Janglad's and Dixie's posts. My bad!
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 13 October 2019, 20:25:14
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Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 14 October 2019, 00:00:06
Post by: painstar on Mon, 14 October 2019, 00:05:42
Post by: Khers on Mon, 14 October 2019, 00:29:40
And here is a the quote from the second paragraph of the IC post about the name
"Now I now the naming might not make sense, this isn't a Dolch set after all. GMK Modern Dolch Light is a derivative of GMK Modern Dolch which is a derivative of OG Dolch. While this set is not necessarily a Dolch colorway, the name is there to show the origin of the design..."
Should've called it GMK Muted R2 instead; to me it's abundantly clear that's where the inspiration came from.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 14 October 2019, 00:30:29
Post by: MMKB on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:06:11
Also, pls consider R3/4 PgUp/PgDn in base. I know you guys are going for a slim base - but with the popularity of 65s I think it's worth considering.
Ugh what is R2/3 PgUp/PgDn used for? I haven’t been using 65% so kinda confused
Post by: martensson on Mon, 14 October 2019, 02:14:42
Post by: claesto on Mon, 14 October 2019, 02:27:53
Post by: Dakk1d on Mon, 14 October 2019, 02:44:42
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The kit looks stunning but ... this ^
Post by: Moridin on Mon, 14 October 2019, 03:41:10
Post by: ctrlshiftba on Mon, 14 October 2019, 03:54:25
+1 to the idea adding a mod that other than blue or pink.
Post by: kgorin on Mon, 14 October 2019, 04:33:01
looks great
Post by: VXQN on Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:09:42
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Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:00:55
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:07:25
Very muted — pun intended — but honestly it’s the best looking set I’ve seen this year. The base kit is also trimmed down which is a big win. Naming wise it’s admittedly far from the OG Dolch and is basically a desaturated 9009.
How white is the alpha? Is it the GMK CP or a custom grey?
All of the colors are custom RAL colors along with the custom Modern Dolch Gray for the alphas.
And here is a the quote from the second paragraph of the IC post about the name
"Now I now the naming might not make sense, this isn't a Dolch set after all. GMK Modern Dolch Light is a derivative of GMK Modern Dolch which is a derivative of OG Dolch. While this set is not necessarily a Dolch colorway, the name is there to show the origin of the design..."
Sure, but at some point the chain of inspirations went long enough to not be a chain anymore. Names should be descriptive, and within the mech community, the word "Dolch" has a rather specific meaning... which is not close to what this colorway actually IS.
"Modern Dolch" is objectively not a descriptive name for this colorway (and let me stress this: this is entirely beside the strengths and weaknesses of the set itself, its colorway, its kit coverage, etcetera — it's just the name I find problematic).
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:09:48
Also, pls consider R3/4 PgUp/PgDn in base. I know you guys are going for a slim base - but with the popularity of 65s I think it's worth considering.
Ugh what is R2/3 PgUp/PgDn used for? I haven’t been using 65% so kinda confused
Most 75% layouts and many 65% use R1 Home, R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and R4 End (collectively known as "HUDE keys").
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:12:13
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:15:42
Frekin amazing renders Janglad!
some wishes ;D
+1 Alt Gr key (1.5u & 1.25u) in either the Norde kit or Addition kit,
+1 Alternate colored ISO enter in either the Addition kit or Alternative kit would be dope :p
<3
What he said, PLUS:
- Alt Gr 1.0U key along with the 1.5u and 1.25u keys (I'd prefer heavily to have them all in the Addition kit).
- R3 1.0u \| key in the Addition kit, to complete coverage of English (USA) over ISO or ANSISO. Bonus points for an R4 <> key as well.
- V4 (blue) 7.0U space bar. Just because it's Monday and I'm feeling whimsical today (tomorrow I'll be wanting it to be deep red instead). ;) :D
Post by: dubious on Mon, 14 October 2019, 12:01:04
Like others have said, I think the alphas are a little light. The colored mods lean more towards 9009 and are not very dolchee. Looks good though, interested.
Post by: leexy on Mon, 14 October 2019, 12:17:45
Also, pls consider R3/4 PgUp/PgDn in base. I know you guys are going for a slim base - but with the popularity of 65s I think it's worth considering.
this ^
Post by: vi0till on Mon, 14 October 2019, 12:23:05
I've been waiting for muted r2 for awhile... but I like this set too XDMaybe red accent from Modern Dolch is more sexy with this set.
Like others have said, I think the alphas are a little light. The colored mods lean more towards 9009 and are not very dolchee. Looks good though, interested.
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Post by: neah12 on Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:44:15
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 14 October 2019, 14:12:15
I already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 14 October 2019, 14:19:08
I already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
I used to play Civilization and I was, like, "One more turn, one more turn..."
Now I'm into mechanical keyboards and I am, like, "One more set, one more set..."
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 14 October 2019, 14:31:38
three moreee, thats it. no moreI already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
I used to play Civilization and I was, like, "One more turn, one more turn..."
Now I'm into mechanical keyboards and I am, like, "One more set, one more set..."
Post by: maximize on Mon, 14 October 2019, 14:35:49
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 14 October 2019, 14:55:03
I already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
There was a time I tried telling myself the same thing..... :))
Post by: Randalljai on Mon, 14 October 2019, 15:16:51
I already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
I used to play Civilization and I was, like, "One more turn, one more turn..."
Now I'm into mechanical keyboards and I am, like, "One more set, one more set..."
Next thing you know its 4am and now you're out a couple hundred dollars
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 14 October 2019, 15:40:10
I already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
I used to play Civilization and I was, like, "One more turn, one more turn..."
Now I'm into mechanical keyboards and I am, like, "One more set, one more set..."
Next thing you know its 4am and now you're out a couple hundred dollars
Work will come, keysets will not
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 14 October 2019, 15:46:02
I already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
I used to play Civilization and I was, like, "One more turn, one more turn..."
Now I'm into mechanical keyboards and I am, like, "One more set, one more set..."
Next thing you know its 4am and now you're out a couple hundred dollars
AND invading India in retaliation for their unwarranted use of nukes! F*ck you, Gandhi!!!!!! >:D
Post by: Extraxyz on Mon, 14 October 2019, 15:59:53
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 14 October 2019, 16:07:23
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 14 October 2019, 16:31:07
I really see no need for me to jump on this train.then don't. No need to rant bout it.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 14 October 2019, 16:57:40
I really see no need for me to jump on this train.then don't. No need to rant bout it.
Can you please explain to me how many previous statements were perceived to be a "rant" so I no longer make the same mistake again? I am having a hard time distinguishing the variances between this set and others that currently exist. I never once proclaimed that I had an issue with the similarities. Rather than continuing to sidetrack the conversion of this thread, would you also care to explain to me the differences this set has compared to GMK 9009? I appreciate any wisdom you wish to impart. :thumb:
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:07:04
would you also care to explain to me the differences this set has compared to GMK 9009everything
and also look man. If I don't like something and got nothing nice to say, I switch tab and keep it to myself. Maybe that's something to consider...
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:18:32
would you also care to explain to me the differences this set has compared to GMK 9009everything
and also look man. If I don't like something and got nothing nice to say, I switch tab and keep it to myself. Maybe that's something to consider...
My apologies for trying to continue a friendly conversation and stick to the topic of the thread. However, your answer does not help clarify my confusion. I never once stated that I disliked this set, in fact, I very much like it. I would most definitely participate in this if I did not currently own a similar set. Perhaps if enough interest was generated to influence some minor design changes, I would be willing to purchase myself a set. I was unaware that users are not allowed to participate in the conversation of interest checks even if there is a high probability of not joining the group buy. Are we not allowed to encourage changes in the design?
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:35:20
I was unaware that users are not allowed to participate in the conversation of interest checks even if there is a high probability of not joining the group buyDon't twist my words.
I never said it was not allowed. I said if you got nothing nice to say, better to keep it to yourself. But doesn't sound like that applies to you here based on your most recent reply, so whatever man, you do what you want. Read your first post again - you rant about the name, then about the color, then about the mods. That doesn't sound like "in fact, I very much like it" to me. You're like trying to question Jang's colors' choices, which I don't think is "some minor design changes". Bring this over to inbox if you wanna talk about it further and keep Jang's IC clean.
Also that passive-aggressive lol...
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:35:43
I really see nothing related to Dolch in this color scheme. I apologies for my ignorance but what is different about this and GMK 9009. Is it just slightly lighter colored modifiers? Since I already have an OG Beige set I really see no need for me to jump on this train. I personally have always been a fan of symbol + text modifiers which I see less an less.
9009 is beige, this is grey, simple as that :) reasons behind the dolch naming scheme were explained above
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:42:40
I really see nothing related to Dolch in this color scheme. I apologies for my ignorance but what is different about this and GMK 9009. Is it just slightly lighter colored modifiers? Since I already have an OG Beige set I really see no need for me to jump on this train. I personally have always been a fan of symbol + text modifiers which I see less an less.
9009 is beige, this is grey, simple as that :) reasons behind the dolch naming scheme were explained above
Thank you very much for the explanation! I was having a hard time distinguishing the color on the renders. I am having a hell of a time trying to tweak my monitor's settings for color accuracy, my first time having a VA panel.
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 14 October 2019, 18:46:05
I was unaware that users are not allowed to participate in the conversation of interest checks even if there is a high probability of not joining the group buyDon't twist my words.
I never said it was not allowed. I said if you got nothing nice to say, better to keep it to yourself. But doesn't sound like that applies to you here based on your most recent reply, so whatever man, you do what you want. Read your first post again - you rant about the name, then about the color, then about the mods. That doesn't sound like "in fact, I very much like it" to me. You're like trying to question Jang's colors' choices, which I don't think is "some minor design changes". Bring this over to inbox if you wanna talk about it further and keep Jang's IC clean.
Also that passive-aggressive lol...
I'll show you passive aggresive.
Modern Dolch Light,
Nice.
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 14 October 2019, 19:01:20
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 14 October 2019, 20:20:54
But then I remember tons of people bought GMK Minimal.
Yeah, sometimes you just ought to accept that people have weird tastes & move on to the next thread.
Post by: iliketimex on Mon, 14 October 2019, 23:08:43
This is so very close to Muted I am somewhat conflicted, because I really wanted to support the original Muted GB runner if they decide to do R2. I will probably just wait and pray for Muted Round 2.
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Mon, 14 October 2019, 23:37:59
Post by: xondat on Mon, 14 October 2019, 23:41:33
If row 5 is chosen please have a row 4 option. Row 5 is great for OG but not for every new set. There is nothing wrong with row 4.
This is so very close to Muted I am somewhat conflicted, because I really wanted to support the original Muted GB runner if they decide to do R2. I will probably just wait and pray for Muted Round 2.
Renders are in R4 so I'd presume R5 won't be making an appearance.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Tue, 15 October 2019, 00:07:51
If row 5 is chosen please have a row 4 option. Row 5 is great for OG but not for every new set. There is nothing wrong with row 4.
This is so very close to Muted I am somewhat conflicted, because I really wanted to support the original Muted GB runner if they decide to do R2. I will probably just wait and pray for Muted Round 2.
I kinda feel the same way - but it looks like many different people have gotten in touch with Muted OP about running again and nothing has happened. At some point I just want the set, and am happy that it is being run.
Post by: adxlk on Tue, 15 October 2019, 00:17:27
If row 5 is chosen please have a row 4 option. Row 5 is great for OG but not for every new set. There is nothing wrong with row 4.
This is so very close to Muted I am somewhat conflicted, because I really wanted to support the original Muted GB runner if they decide to do R2. I will probably just wait and pray for Muted Round 2.
I kinda feel the same way - but it looks like many different people have gotten in touch with Muted OP about running again and nothing has happened. At some point I just want the set, and am happy that it is being run.
Id prefer it the other way around. Have r4 in base kit. Then additional R5 bottom row kit. Since i'd assume there's more R4 users than R5
Post by: janglad on Tue, 15 October 2019, 00:39:04
If row 5 is chosen please have a row 4 option. Row 5 is great for OG but not for every new set. There is nothing wrong with row 4.
This is so very close to Muted I am somewhat conflicted, because I really wanted to support the original Muted GB runner if they decide to do R2. I will probably just wait and pray for Muted Round 2.
Renders are in R4 so I'd presume R5 won't be making an appearance.
This is correct
Post by: Extraxyz on Tue, 15 October 2019, 01:05:29
and also look man. If I don't like something and got nothing nice to say, I switch tab and keep it to myself. Maybe that's something to consider...
People aren't allowed to say they're not interested.. in an Interest Check thread? If only "Yes men" are allowed to reply we can just skip IC altogether.
Post by: Mufasa on Tue, 15 October 2019, 01:23:02
Please..
Post by: Cresc3nt on Tue, 15 October 2019, 01:42:55
I guess we can just call anything Dolch nowadays and make a quick $. IT WAS INSPIRED BY DOLCH! Therefore, MODERN DOLCH LIGHT!I mean these are keycaps, I don't think most people are buying just for the name. I still very much enjoy the design and will personally buy it but not because it has modern dolch in its name. I feel like people are getting way too triggered over just a name instead of focusing on the actual design.
Please..
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 15 October 2019, 01:43:50
GUYS
Listen, listen
Just, LISTEN
What if we call it
Wait for it
Nobody expects this
Everybody will love this
And there will be absolutely zero controversy
Listen
What if we call it
MODERN MUTED!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mksfwvWgsVo/maxresdefault.jpg)
Post by: Mekberg on Tue, 15 October 2019, 02:06:34
Post by: Mufasa on Tue, 15 October 2019, 02:20:22
I guess we can just call anything Dolch nowadays and make a quick $. IT WAS INSPIRED BY DOLCH! Therefore, MODERN DOLCH LIGHT!I mean these are keycaps, I don't think most people are buying just for the name. I still very much enjoy the design and will personally buy it but not because it has modern dolch in its name. I feel like people are getting way too triggered over just a name instead of focusing on the actual design.
Please..
Sure, we can talk about design too.. It’s Muted. I agree with above, call it Modern Muted and cover all your “inspiration” bases.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 15 October 2019, 02:45:18
I guess we can just call anything Dolch nowadays and make a quick $. IT WAS INSPIRED BY DOLCH! Therefore, MODERN DOLCH LIGHT!
Please..
yeah... we already have Mint Dolch, Ocean Dolch,...
so how about: Muted Dolch :))
Post by: janglad on Tue, 15 October 2019, 03:16:22
Also have some Jane V2 CE renders
(https://i.imgur.com/um27N2q.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JbabkPl.jpg)
Post by: leexy on Tue, 15 October 2019, 03:26:21
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 15 October 2019, 03:43:09
day 1 moq set
Couldn’t agree more.
Already see it on Dixie.
Wish it open soon.
Post by: martensson on Tue, 15 October 2019, 04:06:01
Post by: jejuzy on Tue, 15 October 2019, 04:26:31
And with the Jane V2 CE renders, what set are the keycaps?
Post by: adxlk on Tue, 15 October 2019, 05:03:51
Hmm those last renders remind me a lot of GMK Ashes (with the Ghost kit). Too much monochrome for me, would be nice to add some color to those :)
The standard base kit already has colored accents.
Post by: adxlk on Tue, 15 October 2019, 05:04:40
As others have said (and maybe i missed the answer), are you considering ePBT? :(
And with the Jane V2 CE renders, what set are the keycaps?
Standard Kit + Alternate Kit
Post by: apejonk on Tue, 15 October 2019, 09:40:22
As explained in the post we know it's not a Dolch set, however we decided to keep Modern Dolch in there cause that is the origin of this set. And honestly I don't think the name is the most important thing of this set. Also just look at my projects, half of them have numbers in them and are hard to pronounce and the other are an OG thing with Modern in front of it. I'm not good with names mkay :))
While I also think that names are not important I think there is no need to create unnecessary confusion. Everyone who programmed a little bit knows that you can just call your variables whatever you feel like but in the end it's better to choose names that are descriptive.
Just call it GMK Modern Light. There is no GMK Modern besides your Dolch set, at least that I'm aware of, and you can still show off the origin of the set.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 15 October 2019, 10:23:13
As explained in the post we know it's not a Dolch set, however we decided to keep Modern Dolch in there cause that is the origin of this set. And honestly I don't think the name is the most important thing of this set. Also just look at my projects, half of them have numbers in them and are hard to pronounce and the other are an OG thing with Modern in front of it. I'm not good with names mkay :))
Also have some Jane V2 CE rendersShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/um27N2q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JbabkPl.jpg)
I think that this color scheme, involving the darkened ESC and Enter accents, would be much better as the base-kit than the pink and green options. The black TGR board flows really well with the monochrome look. As I am sharing my opinion, I hope this statement isn't perceived as a "rant" as well.
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 15 October 2019, 10:34:30
As explained in the post we know it's not a Dolch set, however we decided to keep Modern Dolch in there cause that is the origin of this set. And honestly I don't think the name is the most important thing of this set. Also just look at my projects, half of them have numbers in them and are hard to pronounce and the other are an OG thing with Modern in front of it. I'm not good with names mkay :))
Also have some Jane V2 CE rendersShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/um27N2q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JbabkPl.jpg)
I think that this color scheme, involving the darkened ESC and Enter accents, would be much better as the base-kit than the pink and green options. The black TGR board flows really well with the monochrome look. As I am sharing my opinion, I hope this statement isn't perceived as a "rant" as well.
I do agree that the accents should be flipped around with colored accents as an add-on and the dark gray be in the base kit. It would be cheaper as you have two custom colors in the accent kits and one in the base. Would make more sense
Post by: viet on Tue, 15 October 2019, 10:49:57
As others have said (and maybe i missed the answer), are you considering ePBT? :(
And with the Jane V2 CE renders, what set are the keycaps?
ePBT, please! I would be 110% in.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 15 October 2019, 10:53:27
ePBT, please! I would be 110% in.
GMK is perfect, we dont need ePBT for this :mad:
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 15 October 2019, 10:55:04
ePBT, please! I would be 110% in.
GMK is perfect, we dont need ePBT for this :mad:
I'm okay with either option. :blank:
Post by: GarrettSucks on Tue, 15 October 2019, 11:03:31
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Post by: mrkevint on Tue, 15 October 2019, 11:26:42
Post by: spyruf on Tue, 15 October 2019, 11:41:42
I think the name MD Light makes sense because you have colorschemes like Solarized Dark and Solarized Light, etc.
AFAIK Dolch was named that way because of the original Dolch boards, and a Dolch Light doesn't exist.
Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 15 October 2019, 11:42:28
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Post by: Hell-es on Tue, 15 October 2019, 11:58:07
Post by: janglad on Tue, 15 October 2019, 12:08:00
I'm sure a part of the reason for naming it Modern Dolch Light was also to bank off the name recognition?
I can confirm that this is absolutely not the case, that thought didn't cross our minds lol. We didn't figure people would care as much about the name as they do :)
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 15 October 2019, 13:23:30
Post by: whyamihere on Tue, 15 October 2019, 13:38:08
I'm sure a part of the reason for naming it Modern Dolch Light was also to bank off the name recognition?
I can confirm that this is absolutely not the case, that thought didn't cross our minds lol. We didn't figure people would care as much about the name as they do :)
"ah no it was just a coincidence we swear"
embarassing marketing grab
Post by: azulyf on Tue, 15 October 2019, 13:40:38
Post by: tunadesu on Tue, 15 October 2019, 13:50:03
I'm sure a part of the reason for naming it Modern Dolch Light was also to bank off the name recognition?
I can confirm that this is absolutely not the case, that thought didn't cross our minds lol. We didn't figure people would care as much about the name as they do :)
"ah no it was just a coincidence we swear"
embarassing marketing grab
Whose alt is this? lol :))
Post by: ramblinrose on Tue, 15 October 2019, 13:52:31
Post by: whyamihere on Tue, 15 October 2019, 13:54:39
I'm sure a part of the reason for naming it Modern Dolch Light was also to bank off the name recognition?
I can confirm that this is absolutely not the case, that thought didn't cross our minds lol. We didn't figure people would care as much about the name as they do :)
"ah no it was just a coincidence we swear"
embarassing marketing grab
Whose alt is this? lol :))
easy to dismiss as an alt rather than confront the facts
you would think after the man in the high castle disaster dixie would put more thought into his interest checks instead of coming off strictly as an opportunistic marketer
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 15 October 2019, 14:02:48
nice keyset
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 15 October 2019, 14:05:18
Post by: whyamihere on Tue, 15 October 2019, 14:08:15
Great looking set, but anyone countering that this isn't a replica of Muted with slight shading difference is ****ing delusional lmfao.
dingdingding
Post by: D3LTA on Tue, 15 October 2019, 14:31:17
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Tue, 15 October 2019, 15:12:21
why don't we just be happy that we have such a great set coming soon instead of ranting about its name?
Lmao thank you for saying that. Guys, it's a name. Who tf cares. The important thing is we are getting a set that most of us have all really wanted.
Post by: tunadesu on Tue, 15 October 2019, 16:07:31
I'm sure a part of the reason for naming it Modern Dolch Light was also to bank off the name recognition?
I can confirm that this is absolutely not the case, that thought didn't cross our minds lol. We didn't figure people would care as much about the name as they do :)
"ah no it was just a coincidence we swear"
embarassing marketing grab
Whose alt is this? lol :))
easy to dismiss as an alt rather than confront the facts
you would think after the man in the high castle disaster dixie would put more thought into his interest checks instead of coming off strictly as an opportunistic marketer
Great looking set, but anyone countering that this isn't a replica of Muted with slight shading difference is ****ing delusional lmfao.
dingdingding
Wasn't picking sides, just laughing abt that being your 1st post. But yeah, I personally can't see a difference between this and muted, so :blank:
Post by: whyamihere on Tue, 15 October 2019, 16:11:43
I'm sure a part of the reason for naming it Modern Dolch Light was also to bank off the name recognition?
I can confirm that this is absolutely not the case, that thought didn't cross our minds lol. We didn't figure people would care as much about the name as they do :)
"ah no it was just a coincidence we swear"
embarassing marketing grab
Whose alt is this? lol :))
easy to dismiss as an alt rather than confront the facts
you would think after the man in the high castle disaster dixie would put more thought into his interest checks instead of coming off strictly as an opportunistic marketerGreat looking set, but anyone countering that this isn't a replica of Muted with slight shading difference is ****ing delusional lmfao.
dingdingding
Wasn't picking sides, just laughing abt that being your 1st post. But yeah, I personally can't see a difference between this and muted, so :blank:
i mostly just use reddit but my primal urge to grab a pitchfork led to me to popping my GH cherry :P
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 15 October 2019, 16:30:48
I'm sure a part of the reason for naming it Modern Dolch Light was also to bank off the name recognition?
I can confirm that this is absolutely not the case, that thought didn't cross our minds lol. We didn't figure people would care as much about the name as they do :)
"ah no it was just a coincidence we swear"
embarassing marketing grab
Whose alt is this? lol :))
easy to dismiss as an alt rather than confront the facts
you would think after the man in the high castle disaster dixie would put more thought into his interest checks instead of coming off strictly as an opportunistic marketerGreat looking set, but anyone countering that this isn't a replica of Muted with slight shading difference is ****ing delusional lmfao.
dingdingding
Wasn't picking sides, just laughing abt that being your 1st post. But yeah, I personally can't see a difference between this and muted, so :blank:
i mostly just use reddit but my primal urge to grab a pitchfork led to me to popping my GH cherry :P
(https://i.imgur.com/iZiUnD7.png)
Story checks out, not suss at all.
Edit: Nice Set
Post by: steezkeez on Tue, 15 October 2019, 16:31:41
Re-naming to Muted R2 makes no sense since the original runner of Muted is no longer actively involved in the community as far as I'm aware, and has already turned down others who have approached him to try to re-run Muted.
It's clear that concerns regarding the naming have been voiced and received without change. If you still have such a big problem with the naming, protest with your wallet and just don't buy the set.
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 15 October 2019, 16:50:54
Post by: andrwrhee on Tue, 15 October 2019, 17:16:23
Post by: janglad on Tue, 15 October 2019, 18:14:13
Is the standard kit all that's necessary for a Tofu65?Yes, unless you want alternative modifiers or accents :)
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Post by: cekagekh on Tue, 15 October 2019, 18:17:57
Post by: otanishock on Tue, 15 October 2019, 19:01:29
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 15 October 2019, 20:26:16
i mostly just use reddit but my primal urge to grab a pitchfork led to me to popping my GH cherry :P
That explains a lot
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 15 October 2019, 21:37:35
Post by: Hedgey on Tue, 15 October 2019, 22:15:40
(https://i.imgur.com/2ADX8ZO.jpg)
Paperwork is more dolch than Modo Light
Post by: TuckTuckFloof on Tue, 15 October 2019, 22:18:02
Post by: sevenseacat on Tue, 15 October 2019, 22:52:09
Post by: Butterbeer on Tue, 15 October 2019, 23:00:56
Very minor suggestion: add a matching "Alternate" colored spacebar.
Love the kits. Leaves no keys out.
Post by: macclack on Tue, 15 October 2019, 23:44:17
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 16 October 2019, 08:00:41
Y'all arguing about Modern Dolch, Muted, 9009, but in reality this is just a rip off of GMK Paperwork without the additional highlighter novelties.
Paperwork is more dolch than Modo Light
It's also completely useless for 99% of the enthusiast market.
Post by: Datastream on Wed, 16 October 2019, 08:25:50
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Wed, 16 October 2019, 08:44:23
So this is like GMK 9009 Light?
No. It's like Modern Dolch Light.
Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 16 October 2019, 08:57:35
I never said anything about who uses it. I just said Paperwork (which already exists) is closer to what OP is trying to accomplish more than anything.Y'all arguing about Modern Dolch, Muted, 9009, but in reality this is just a rip off of GMK Paperwork without the additional highlighter novelties.
Paperwork is more dolch than Modo Light
It's also completely useless for 99% of the enthusiast market.
Post by: appaboy on Wed, 16 October 2019, 09:20:58
So this is like GMK 9009 Light?
No. It's like Modern Dolch Light.
which looks like 9009 but lighter
Post by: yur1orlov on Wed, 16 October 2019, 09:40:36
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 16 October 2019, 09:49:30
Y'all arguing about Modern Dolch, Muted, 9009, but in reality this is just a rip off of GMK Paperwork without the additional highlighter novelties.
Paperwork is more dolch than Modo Light
It's also completely useless for 99% of the enthusiast market.
I love the saltiness when ISO and/or numpad gets removed out of base.
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Wed, 16 October 2019, 10:00:23
So this is like GMK 9009 Light?
No. It's like Modern Dolch Light.
which looks like 9009 but lighter
This set is gray. 9009 is beige.
Post by: whyamihere on Wed, 16 October 2019, 10:29:39
So this is like GMK 9009 Light?
It's just a Muted spinoff with the Dolch name so they can make more money ;)
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 16 October 2019, 10:33:25
Post by: . on Wed, 16 October 2019, 10:38:39
does anyone have any real feedback for the set besides the naming schemeIt looks a lot like gmk muted and 9009 combined so I guess the name is wrong
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 16 October 2019, 10:43:18
does anyone have any real feedback for the set besides the naming schemeThese big vendor GMK ICs are getting so perfected and machined to the point where it doesn't feel like there is a lot of room for suggestions/actual beneficial changes.
So we end up having multiple pages of people either saying they are going to buy it, or cling onto the one thing that feels wrong about the set, in this case being the name lmao
Post by: The_Royal on Wed, 16 October 2019, 10:46:05
(https://i.imgur.com/uHJ7R6s.jpg)
You fellas know Dixie about to sell 1k+ of this XD
Post by: . on Wed, 16 October 2019, 10:47:34
I honestly don't understand why there's so much drama regarding the naming. janglad already explained why it's named Modern Dolch Light and Dixie posted a render visually depicting how Modern Dolch Light is derived from Modern Dolch. That's more than enough justification.
Re-naming to Muted R2 makes no sense since the original runner of Muted is no longer actively involved in the community as far as I'm aware, and has already turned down others who have approached him to try to re-run Muted.
It's clear that concerns regarding the naming have been voiced and received without change. If you still have such a big problem with the naming, protest with your wallet and just don't buy the set.
I have a bigger problem with the kits than the name
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 16 October 2019, 11:15:53
These big vendor GMK ICs are getting so perfected and machined to the point where it doesn't feel like there is a lot of room for suggestions/actual beneficial changes.lmfao
So we end up having multiple pages of people either saying they are going to buy it, or cling onto the one thing that feels wrong about the set, in this case being the name lmao
Post by: quaddepos on Wed, 16 October 2019, 11:26:40
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Wed, 16 October 2019, 11:31:07
does anyone have any real feedback for the set besides the naming scheme
Yes - R3/R4 PgUp/PgDn in base. I guess if those two keys push the base into a different price bracket I get it. This set is going to sell over 1k+ though so it would be nice if there were a few keys added in, like with what happened to Metro/Bento.
Post by: whyamihere on Wed, 16 October 2019, 11:41:04
I’ve never seen a community that gets as heated and fired-up over Colors and nomenclature as ours lol.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uHJ7R6s.jpg)
You fellas know Dixie about to sell 1k+ of this XD
what an intelligent and insightful post
Post by: mopaska on Wed, 16 October 2019, 12:02:34
you would think after the man in the high castle disaster dixie would put more thought into his interest checks instead of coming off strictly as an opportunistic marketer
Marketing:
Quote
noun: marketing
the action or business of promoting and selling products or services, including market research and advertising.
There's a word for non-opportunistic marketers: unemployed.
While my first thought was "hey this is like muted", my second thought was "I like it." As far as the name - I can see this as a photo-negative of MoDo. I can see how MoDo inspired it, and I can see how they tried to be subtly different than Muted.
I just find it ignorant and quarrelsome to call someone out for "opportunistic marketing" on a forum devoted to "Interest" checks - the entire IDEA of this forum is to see if the OPPORTUNITY to run something exists.
Post by: kgorin on Wed, 16 October 2019, 12:12:44
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 16 October 2019, 12:17:28
I love the saltiness when ISO and/or numpad gets removed out of base.
Have you seen the base kit for paperwork?
Ok.
Post by: whyamihere on Wed, 16 October 2019, 12:31:24
geez, who gives a cr*p about the naming, it's a great looking set, more nuanced diversity is great, if you like muted go buy muted smh
>buy muted
200IQ
you would think after the man in the high castle disaster dixie would put more thought into his interest checks instead of coming off strictly as an opportunistic marketer
Marketing:Quotenoun: marketing
the action or business of promoting and selling products or services, including market research and advertising.
There's a word for non-opportunistic marketers: unemployed.
While my first thought was "hey this is like muted", my second thought was "I like it." As far as the name - I can see this as a photo-negative of MoDo. I can see how MoDo inspired it, and I can see how they tried to be subtly different than Muted.
I just find it ignorant and quarrelsome to call someone out for "opportunistic marketing" on a forum devoted to "Interest" checks - the entire IDEA of this forum is to see if the OPPORTUNITY to run something exists.
I find it ignorant and quarrelsome that you thought this was logically coherent and decided to post it
I love the saltiness when ISO and/or numpad gets removed out of base.
Have you seen the base kit for paperwork?
Ok.
Wasn't that explicitly for 40%, and also had like... 13 custom colors
Post by: andrwrhee on Wed, 16 October 2019, 13:26:33
Is the standard kit all that's necessary for a Tofu65?Yes, unless you want alternative modifiers or accents :)
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Thank you! ;D
Post by: vision-quest on Wed, 16 October 2019, 13:36:32
Post by: Slavadavadingdong on Wed, 16 October 2019, 14:57:19
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 16 October 2019, 18:45:55
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 16 October 2019, 18:48:32
Definitely in for this! Will look great on my work keyboard.
Yes please. I'm interested.
I'd rather a re-run of Modern Dolch though; honestly. I don't know how I missed that one.
Double the re run of modo.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 16 October 2019, 18:56:40
Post by: janglad on Wed, 16 October 2019, 18:57:13
janglad, you gonna have matching rama caps for this set like MoDo?Yes
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Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 16 October 2019, 18:59:21
would you also care to explain to me the differences this set has compared to GMK 9009everything
and also look man. If I don't like something and got nothing nice to say, I switch tab and keep it to myself. Maybe that's something to consider...
Just let fan bois be fan bois.
My apologies for trying to continue a friendly conversation and stick to the topic of the thread. However, your answer does not help clarify my confusion. I never once stated that I disliked this set, in fact, I very much like it. I would most definitely participate in this if I did not currently own a similar set. Perhaps if enough interest was generated to influence some minor design changes, I would be willing to purchase myself a set. I was unaware that users are not allowed to participate in the conversation of interest checks even if there is a high probability of not joining the group buy. Are we not allowed to encourage changes in the design?
Post by: 1391401 on Wed, 16 October 2019, 19:35:46
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Wed, 16 October 2019, 19:50:05
Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 16 October 2019, 20:26:23
I love the saltiness when ISO and/or numpad gets removed out of base.
Have you seen the base kit for paperwork?
Ok.
Man, what is your deal? We get it, you hate the set. Yes, it’s obviously not for you, but I was comparing COLOR to MoDo Light, not who uses the damn thing.
And your whole “99% of the enthusiast market” is ignorant and lazy. Get off Evan’s nuts, he’s not even in the hobby anymore.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 16 October 2019, 21:44:03
Man, what is your deal? We get it, you hate the set. Yes, it’s obviously not for you, but I was comparing COLOR to MoDo Light, not who uses the damn thing.
And your whole “99% of the enthusiast market” is ignorant and lazy. Get off Evan’s nuts, he’s not even in the hobby anymore.
Oh okay
Post by: appaboy on Wed, 16 October 2019, 21:46:31
janglad, you gonna have matching rama caps for this set like MoDo?Yes
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I imagine it would look just like notglacier’s profile pic :)) :))
Post by: happycamper87 on Wed, 16 October 2019, 22:22:02
Post by: elpepe21 on Wed, 16 October 2019, 22:57:14
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 17 October 2019, 07:23:03
wake me up for Modern Dolch Dark
Later on, we'll have Retro Modern Dolch as well...
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 17 October 2019, 07:39:57
wake me up for Modern Dolch Dark
Later on, we'll have Retro Modern Dolch as well...
you mean Retro Dark Modern Dolch Light? :confused:
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 17 October 2019, 07:44:31
wake me up for Modern Dolch Dark
Later on, we'll have Retro Modern Dolch as well...
you mean Retro Dark Modern Dolch Light? :confused:
Of course not! It's obviously Dark Retro Modern Dolch Light.
Kids these days... >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Post by: BouncyChillups on Thu, 17 October 2019, 08:31:10
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 17 October 2019, 09:25:07
Post by: whyamihere on Thu, 17 October 2019, 09:55:24
Why not...Modern Light
because that won't get as many upvotes obv
that's all we care about anymore
Post by: xchangmanx on Thu, 17 October 2019, 10:58:19
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 17 October 2019, 11:11:43
If this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 17 October 2019, 12:11:54
*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 17 October 2019, 12:50:25
This community is getting more systematic each day. Should rename the interest check subforum to "vendor advertisements" pretty soon.*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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Post by: xchangmanx on Thu, 17 October 2019, 13:17:40
*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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Chee! i'm excited for this!
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 17 October 2019, 13:19:33
I don't agree with you there. vendors still read all of our comments, and take our advice to heart. I just said December since that's the first open slot for a GMK GB on dixiemech.This community is getting more systematic each day. Should rename the interest check subforum to "vendor advertisements" pretty soon.*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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Post by: janglad on Thu, 17 October 2019, 13:21:05
Can confirm I read everything both here and in the form submissionI don't agree with you there. vendors still read all of our comments, and take our advice to heart. I just said December since that's the first open slot for a GMK GB on dixiemech.This community is getting more systematic each day. Should rename the interest check subforum to "vendor advertisements" pretty soon.*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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Post by: whyamihere on Thu, 17 October 2019, 13:24:47
Can confirm I read everything both here and in the form submissionI don't agree with you there. vendors still read all of our comments, and take our advice to heart. I just said December since that's the first open slot for a GMK GB on dixiemech.This community is getting more systematic each day. Should rename the interest check subforum to "vendor advertisements" pretty soon.*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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read it then pretty much told everyone off on stream :thumb:
This community is getting more systematic each day. Should rename the interest check subforum to "vendor advertisements" pretty soon.*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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this
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 17 October 2019, 13:32:50
What room is there for advice on something like this? It is crafted and posted to sell. I would be surprised to see if much changes. Vendors end up reading a lot of "Yes I will buy this!" which is the same feedback they would get on any other advertising platform.I don't agree with you there. vendors still read all of our comments, and take our advice to heart. I just said December since that's the first open slot for a GMK GB on dixiemech.This community is getting more systematic each day. Should rename the interest check subforum to "vendor advertisements" pretty soon.*decemberIf this is GB happens I'll probably go in for more than one set. :thumb:
when this gb happens*
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I'm also not suggesting this as an issue as it's taken years to find out what works best for the most amount of people, and vendors have found something that does work.
I feel this sub-forum is losing it's initial purpose is all.
Post by: maximize on Thu, 17 October 2019, 14:05:38
Post by: janglad on Thu, 17 October 2019, 14:08:47
Why does the font of the legends look so thin in the renders? Is this done on purpose?Alpha legends will be same GMK ones as always. I’m in the process of making my render legends more accurate. The font on these is more accurate compared to my old ones but they are indeed a tad too thin which I will fix in the future :) It’s a lot of work to overhaul legends haha
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Post by: whyamihere on Thu, 17 October 2019, 14:28:30
fits this set tbh
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 17 October 2019, 15:16:22
Why does the font of the legends look so thin in the renders? Is this done on purpose?
at least it's not as thin as the reasoning for calling this dolch
You're so offended by this whole thing, who hurt you?
Post by: appaboy on Thu, 17 October 2019, 15:20:12
Post by: Andrehey on Thu, 17 October 2019, 15:57:49
Also love that you included Norde kit, I wouldn't purchase any sets without it
Post by: Nvmbra on Thu, 17 October 2019, 16:06:01
PgUp -> Pg Up
PgDn -> Pg Dn
Could this get fixed with this set?
It always bothered me and I think it just gives it an overall cleaner look.
With this set probably reaching a high number I would love to see this getting fixed.
Sorry if this has been brought up before but I usually don't read through a lot of GMK threads.
Edit: Although I'm not so sure anymore after looking at the renders for a bit. I'm kind of used to them being together now but it still bothers me a bit that a some renders of GMK sets show both variants.
Post by: Cresc3nt on Thu, 17 October 2019, 16:40:21
Why does the font of the legends look so thin in the renders? Is this done on purpose?
at least it's not as thin as the reasoning for calling this dolch
You're so offended by this whole thing, who hurt you?
I think he just needs a hug.
Post by: kconfire on Thu, 17 October 2019, 16:53:32
three moreee, thats it. no moreI already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
I used to play Civilization and I was, like, "One more turn, one more turn..."
Now I'm into mechanical keyboards and I am, like, "One more set, one more set..."
A guy in my group chat once said this for those debating whether or not s/he should purchase a keyset/keyboard/artisan: "Debating yourself on whether to buy or not only delays your shipment." lol (In other words if you're debating about something in this hobby you're most likely going to get it at one point if you don't now, and that you may end up paying a lot more if you're able to get one in the future... so when in doubt- always FULLSEND.)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 17 October 2019, 16:56:24
three moreee, thats it. no moreI already paid for GMK Dracula and I don't have enough money for this.
GMK Dracula is my first GMK keycaps and it also will be my last.
not enough money!
come on, one more
I used to play Civilization and I was, like, "One more turn, one more turn..."
Now I'm into mechanical keyboards and I am, like, "One more set, one more set..."
A guy in my group chat once said this for those debating whether or not s/he should purchase a keyset/keyboard/artisan: "Debating yourself on whether to buy or not only delays your shipment." lol (In other words if you're debating about something in this hobby you're most likely going to get it at one point if you don't now, and that you may end up paying a lot more if you're able to get one in the future... so when in doubt- always FULLSEND.)
buy now regret later
Post by: Fooblitzky on Thu, 17 October 2019, 17:12:58
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 17 October 2019, 17:19:39
This set is lacking one thing: A salty novelty kit.
Make sure it's light salt!
(perhaps even organic salt)
Post by: xchangmanx on Fri, 18 October 2019, 18:12:51
Post by: carlouws on Sat, 19 October 2019, 09:56:57
Post by: gxtcha on Sun, 20 October 2019, 14:20:13
Post by: Rayndalf on Mon, 21 October 2019, 18:20:52
https://drop.com/buy/idobao-dye-subbed-pbt-xda-dolch-keycap?
Joking aside this is a really nice set (more 'bland' or 'not completely insane' sets is a nice change of pace), I just couldn't resist the comparison :p
Post by: iliketimex on Wed, 23 October 2019, 08:06:48
Post by: maximize on Wed, 23 October 2019, 10:25:51
My only request for this set is to go back to the standard numpad with arrows and sub legends. There currently is no row 4 delete key since this was removed from the numpad. I understand the "clean" looks but I'd rather have a more standard set for an 1800 layout. Just my preference.
In that case, the numpad wouldn't really be in line with what is arguably this sets greatest attribute: cleanliness.
Post by: xchangmanx on Thu, 24 October 2019, 00:28:38
Post by: Bawsky on Thu, 24 October 2019, 00:46:46
Post by: Kayabyab on Fri, 25 October 2019, 00:20:19
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 25 October 2019, 00:55:40
Also, the big list. If you F5 geekhack, you might catch something not on here yet, but after 24 hours, this is pretty good.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139IWhxAuGHyLtapmzzbVygnP-sgnz0ihLjRQtX5dSKg/htmlview#gid=1446636608
Post by: thornkin on Fri, 25 October 2019, 01:10:04
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 27 October 2019, 08:30:01
Also, the big list. If you F5 geekhack, you might catch something not on here yet, but after 24 hours, this is pretty good.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139IWhxAuGHyLtapmzzbVygnP-sgnz0ihLjRQtX5dSKg/htmlview#gid=1446636608 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139IWhxAuGHyLtapmzzbVygnP-sgnz0ihLjRQtX5dSKg/htmlview#gid=1446636608)
Same thing here.Thanks for the very useful sheet IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES
Post by: zakatak on Sun, 27 October 2019, 10:02:41
Post by: scoopbb on Sun, 27 October 2019, 14:27:32
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Mon, 28 October 2019, 19:09:29
Also, the big list. If you F5 geekhack, you might catch something not on here yet, but after 24 hours, this is pretty good.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139IWhxAuGHyLtapmzzbVygnP-sgnz0ihLjRQtX5dSKg/htmlview#gid=1446636608
Omg this. You've made my week. ^^ :thumb:
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Post by: Andalus on Tue, 29 October 2019, 00:41:18
No more vinyl RAMA caps, please. Let RAMA Works do what they do best - mill some form of metal. ^-^
Post by: spyruf on Thu, 31 October 2019, 13:41:46
Can we get a proper RAMA artisan cap for this?Agreed, aluminum preferable, brass has more issues with fit in my experience.
No more vinyl RAMA caps, please. Let RAMA Works do what they do best - mill some form of metal. ^-^
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 31 October 2019, 15:03:17
It kind of looks like a Modern 9009 also.
Post by: spakecdk on Sun, 03 November 2019, 07:33:59
Post by: vicissitude on Sun, 03 November 2019, 08:21:34
Post by: ref on Sun, 03 November 2019, 09:59:19
Post by: ref on Sun, 03 November 2019, 11:14:03
Post by: Skarekrow on Tue, 05 November 2019, 01:26:15
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 06 November 2019, 09:30:26
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 06 November 2019, 09:32:13
Post by: Imperilous on Wed, 06 November 2019, 16:23:31
Post by: PocketAces on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:39:17
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Post by: janglad on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:04:05
This took up a lot of time the last few weeks, but I figured I should do it sooner rather than later. Now we can focus again on the GB itself though and we're working hard behind the scenes on pricing, launch dates and addons for this set! We'll let you know once all of those are finished!
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:32:02
Post by: janglad on Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:08:12
Any news on when this is running yet?
More info will come soon :)
Post by: janglad on Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:08:40
Post by: lolafineday on Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:12:35
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)Iron165 white please!
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Post by: janglad on Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:38:31
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)Iron165 white please!
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Post by: eniigma on Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:50:51
ILYOoh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)Iron165 white please!
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Post by: adxlk on Sat, 09 November 2019, 19:08:43
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)
V2 CE Black with infill logo or something?
Post by: vaughno on Sat, 09 November 2019, 20:38:28
orion v3 silver wkl?
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Post by: janglad on Sun, 10 November 2019, 04:38:07
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)
V2 CE Black with infill logo or something?
Actually already made these but forgot to add em :)
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Post by: janglad on Sun, 10 November 2019, 04:38:39
umm
orion v3 silver wkl?
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Sadly don't have any Duck files but if anyone can get them I'd be more than happy to render that!
Post by: Jebus on Sun, 10 November 2019, 04:57:10
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sun, 10 November 2019, 05:12:26
I'd love to see this set on a Milk colorway Koyu :)On that note, Iced(PC) M65-B? PC and this sounds delish. But a set this versatile would honestly look good on everything! Totally in regardless! :)
Post by: janglad on Sun, 10 November 2019, 05:32:01
I'd love to see this set on a Milk colorway Koyu :)
Can do!
I'd love to see this set on a Milk colorway Koyu :)On that note, Iced(PC) M65-B? PC and this sounds delish. But a set this versatile would honestly look good on everything! Totally in regardless! :)
Don't have files for this, and I can't just use my M65-A files either since internals show through on PC renders :( Don't want to render it inaccurately.
Post by: adxlk on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:35:16
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)
V2 CE Black with infill logo or something?
Actually already made these but forgot to add em :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YrkirWb.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/W6Jxh9M.jpg)
was thinking of regular kit rather than accent :p
Post by: fade on Sun, 10 November 2019, 15:30:12
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sun, 10 November 2019, 17:31:34
Oh no! That’s okay haha. Thank you regardless!I'd love to see this set on a Milk colorway Koyu :)On that note, Iced(PC) M65-B? PC and this sounds delish. But a set this versatile would honestly look good on everything! Totally in regardless! :)
Don't have files for this, and I can't just use my M65-A files either since internals show through on PC renders :( Don't want to render it inaccurately.
Post by: nasp on Sun, 10 November 2019, 17:38:43
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)
Planck or Preonic style board please and thank you.
Post by: PocketAces on Sun, 10 November 2019, 21:21:43
I second thisOoh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)
Planck or Preonic style board please and thank you.
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Post by: scoopbb on Sun, 10 November 2019, 23:05:42
I second thisOoh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)
Planck or Preonic style board please and thank you.
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with an accented enter. mmhmm
Post by: V0X3L on Mon, 11 November 2019, 03:14:43
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 11 November 2019, 04:23:39
Can we have a french set inclus in the Norde kit? ::)Oh yeah, that would be outstanding!
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:20:18
Small update that a lot of you probably won't care about but took a lot of time to make nonetheless. Some of you commented on the font on the renders looking too thin, this was indeed the case. Due to always being busy with either my own render projects or those of other people my render files became fragmented and riddled with issues. Trying to fix them one by one made some keys decently accurate and some very off. So I decided it was time for a total rework and I started from scratch. I remodelled my keycap files, remade the legends by manually tracing a lot of them and redid all renders for MoDol so you can have a better portrayal of what this set will look like IRL :) Big thanks to Dixie, Hineybush and Quaddepo for the help with this!I care about legends! Can't wait to see the results.
This took up a lot of time the last few weeks, but I figured I should do it sooner rather than later. Now we can focus again on the GB itself though and we're working hard behind the scenes on pricing, launch dates and addons for this set! We'll let you know once all of those are finished!
Post by: Skarekrow on Tue, 12 November 2019, 16:08:03
Small update that a lot of you probably won't care about but took a lot of time to make nonetheless. Some of you commented on the font on the renders looking too thin, this was indeed the case. Due to always being busy with either my own render projects or those of other people my render files became fragmented and riddled with issues. Trying to fix them one by one made some keys decently accurate and some very off. So I decided it was time for a total rework and I started from scratch. I remodelled my keycap files, remade the legends by manually tracing a lot of them and redid all renders for MoDol so you can have a better portrayal of what this set will look like IRL :) Big thanks to Dixie, Hineybush and Quaddepo for the help with this!
This took up a lot of time the last few weeks, but I figured I should do it sooner rather than later. Now we can focus again on the GB itself though and we're working hard behind the scenes on pricing, launch dates and addons for this set! We'll let you know once all of those are finished!
Big thanks for the update and the new renders!
Post by: carlouws on Wed, 20 November 2019, 07:49:51
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)
I know you have a render with a silver U80 but could we see this on a black U80-A? Thanks.
Post by: FRANCO on Sat, 30 November 2019, 10:07:34
Looking forward to this one!
Post by: PocketAces on Sat, 30 November 2019, 10:12:31
I’m definitely picking up this set, but I want to see if I can also use the split spaces from this on Olivia++.
If not, I’ll pick that up from Ursa.
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Post by: Juggy on Sun, 01 December 2019, 15:58:49
Post by: vi0till on Mon, 02 December 2019, 11:10:44
This looks great! I definitely want a set of the modern dolch though as well, any plans on running that again in the near future?Maybe run Modern Dolch r2 before Modern Dolch Light.
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Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 02 December 2019, 13:10:13
This looks great! I definitely want a set of the modern dolch though as well, any plans on running that again in the near future?Maybe run Modern Dolch r2 before Modern Dolch Light.
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Or at the same time
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 02 December 2019, 18:34:15
Post by: geraldjubi on Tue, 03 December 2019, 03:09:23
Sign the petition..
WE..
NEED..
THIS!!
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 03 December 2019, 12:08:54
GMK Modern Dolch [Light]..
Sign the petition..
WE..
NEED..
THIS!!
Huh?
Post by: adxlk on Tue, 03 December 2019, 12:59:58
GMK Modern Dolch [Light]..
Sign the petition..
WE..
NEED..
THIS!!
pass the kush
Post by: jani80k on Wed, 04 December 2019, 06:37:10
Or is there anything like that already?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 04 December 2019, 07:29:45
Can you do a render GMK MDL vs GMK 9009, please?
Or is there anything like that already?
+ GMK Muted.
would like to see what the color difference is
Post by: leexy on Wed, 04 December 2019, 21:19:05
Post by: vi0till on Wed, 04 December 2019, 22:55:50
run modern dolch++ with both light and dark sets :))i'll buy both set for sure.
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Post by: zakatak on Thu, 05 December 2019, 07:04:30
Post by: o3okevin on Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:41:04
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 05 December 2019, 14:59:16
Have the vendors been chosen yet? Would love to add a Canadian option for us northern folk - deskhero.ca
- Dailyclack for Oceania
- Dixiemech for the US
- Mykeyboard for Europe
- iLumkb for Asia
It's hidden between all the renders on the main post.
Post by: Dreamre on Thu, 05 December 2019, 15:52:37
Have the vendors been chosen yet? Would love to add a Canadian option for us northern folk - deskhero.ca
+1, would love a proxy for Canada...duties kills it all for us.
Post by: noodleman on Thu, 05 December 2019, 16:07:49
Have the vendors been chosen yet? Would love to add a Canadian option for us northern folk - deskhero.ca
+1, would love a proxy for Canada...duties kills it all for us.
+2! Have mercy for Canadian keyboard enthusiasts!
Post by: sevenseacat on Thu, 05 December 2019, 22:01:40
Post by: o3okevin on Thu, 05 December 2019, 23:05:11
wouldn't you still have to pay all of the taxes, it would just get rolled into the initial price?You're right, but there's also the brokerage (duties) element that can vary wildly in price when packages go through customs. It's much preferred to be able to budget for a set without surprises through a proxy.
Post by: janglad on Fri, 06 December 2019, 04:40:27
wouldn't you still have to pay all of the taxes, it would just get rolled into the initial price?
Correct, I can look into this but I have a feeling that volume in Canada won't be large enough to actually make it much cheaper for customers since there are added costs (shipping from GMK to the proxy being more expensive per set at low volumes, additional operational costs and profit margins for the proxy etc).
Post by: zakatak on Fri, 06 December 2019, 06:13:21
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Post by: eniigma on Fri, 06 December 2019, 06:37:34
ne updates on gb / pricing?probably January I think
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Post by: janglad on Fri, 06 December 2019, 06:43:01
ne updates on gb / pricing?SoonTM
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Post by: ctrlshiftba on Fri, 06 December 2019, 07:35:48
Post by: janglad on Fri, 06 December 2019, 07:36:45
What white is the alpha? Is it a stock GMK color?? CS1???It’s a custom colour (RAL), don’t think any other set uses it.
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Post by: o3okevin on Fri, 06 December 2019, 10:03:27
Looking at GMK Rudy right now, the Canadian cost for the base set is quite reasonable (189CAD versus 172CAD post-conversion on Cannonkeys) after taking into account all the factors you mentioned. Even the base duty fees are a minimum of $10 before adding on tax when receiving a set as an individual.wouldn't you still have to pay all of the taxes, it would just get rolled into the initial price?
Correct, I can look into this but I have a feeling that volume in Canada won't be large enough to actually make it much cheaper for customers since there are added costs (shipping from GMK to the proxy being more expensive per set at low volumes, additional operational costs and profit margins for the proxy etc).
Hopefully you can give it some thought!
Post by: PotatoTM on Fri, 06 December 2019, 18:55:09
Looking at GMK Rudy right now, the Canadian cost for the base set is quite reasonable (189CAD versus 172CAD post-conversion on Cannonkeys) after taking into account all the factors you mentioned. Even the base duty fees are a minimum of $10 before adding on tax when receiving a set as an individual.wouldn't you still have to pay all of the taxes, it would just get rolled into the initial price?
Correct, I can look into this but I have a feeling that volume in Canada won't be large enough to actually make it much cheaper for customers since there are added costs (shipping from GMK to the proxy being more expensive per set at low volumes, additional operational costs and profit margins for the proxy etc).
Hopefully you can give it some thought!
That's partially because Deskhero applies taxes afterwards during the payment section,
Post by: o3okevin on Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:48:55
That's partially because Deskhero applies taxes afterwards during the payment section,That seems well within the realm of typical fees that someone would encounter for a set coming in from the states; which is the whole point of the Canadian proxy, to stabilize the costs: I know I'll be paying 215 for the set versus the possibility of paying even more at the door from a US vendor.so it would actually be 189.99 + 13.39 for shipping (for me, around the same as shipping from cannonkeys actually), then 13% tax on both results in 26.44 in additional taxes. So not really much difference in the end(?).so the cost of the actual set would be around 215 (190*1.13), only a better deal if you expect to pay more than $43 in duty fees when buying from the US proxy.
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 07 December 2019, 02:13:56
Post by: noodleman on Sat, 07 December 2019, 10:57:35
Post by: kurple on Wed, 18 December 2019, 23:10:35
Post by: timbooo on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:00:21
Post by: ddnomad on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:11:53
That’s being said, I’m still joining a light version because it looks dope as well :)
Post by: Abec13 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 19:13:08
Post by: V0X3L on Sat, 21 December 2019, 06:06:16
Post by: vi0till on Sat, 21 December 2019, 07:24:01
Huge off topic: any plans of running Modern Dolch GB again? Aftermarket prices are just hideous right now and I want MoDo so badly lol
That’s being said, I’m still joining a light version because it looks dope as well :)
Post by: hnaeht on Mon, 23 December 2019, 10:22:04
Post by: V0X3L on Mon, 23 December 2019, 10:43:19
Also did you plan rama keycaps?
last thing is it possible to add to the aesthetic a caplock key with look trough LED but not stepped?
Post by: spakecdk on Wed, 25 December 2019, 05:50:59
Post by: PocketAces on Wed, 25 December 2019, 10:40:21
Do we know if a deskmat is plan for the set?I second this. I’d love to see something minimalist just like they did for 9009.
Also did you plan rama keycaps?
last thing is it possible to add to the aesthetic a caplock key with look trough LED but not stepped?
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Post by: hnaeht on Sat, 28 December 2019, 03:54:08
Post by: hngtx on Mon, 30 December 2019, 13:44:31
Dream come true if they run Modern Dolch with MoDo Light.Huge off topic: any plans of running Modern Dolch GB again? Aftermarket prices are just hideous right now and I want MoDo so badly lol
That’s being said, I’m still joining a light version because it looks dope as well :)
Definitely second this :) But I still like MoDo Light.
Post by: phunktional on Wed, 01 January 2020, 12:22:40
Post by: Moac on Thu, 02 January 2020, 10:28:09
I hope there is a Europe based site that will also sell GMK Modern Dolch Light.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Thu, 02 January 2020, 12:12:37
I really dig this, I have wanted a GMK Muted R2 for some time now and this one looks very similar to GMK Muted.
I hope there is a Europe based site that will also sell GMK Modern Dolch Light.
Mykeyboard is listed as the EU Proxy in the OP.
Post by: Praetoricus on Sun, 05 January 2020, 16:59:37
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Post by: janglad on Fri, 10 January 2020, 16:08:09
First a general update on timing, GMK Modern Dolch Light will run in February from the 2nd until March 1st!
Secondly, a popular request was having proper Apple style icons for the bottom row in the Modern Kit. We're considering changing the kit to the one linked below. We'd love some extra feedback on this kit though and have made a form for that. Secondly, we're also slightly worried making the kit full Apple style might "eat up" the command kit. So if you're still interested in that kit please fill out the form too!
(https://i.imgur.com/cFj1jeo.jpg)
Please fill in this form if you're interested in the Modern Kit!! (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsVS8-fvxLPzN7jOoFZZQWMcbMtTBS-YB3BHaDDDBAuiP5Fg/viewform)
Post by: dubious on Fri, 10 January 2020, 16:30:17
Post by: SolidCactus on Fri, 10 January 2020, 16:31:35
Post by: janglad on Fri, 10 January 2020, 16:32:21
Personally, I prefer the diamonds to the apple command icon and I feel like the majority of buyers aren't mac users. I use both, but would still prefer the universal icons.
Please fill in the form if you haven't already, we'll base our final decision on that :)
Post by: dubious on Fri, 10 January 2020, 16:46:58
Personally, I prefer the diamonds to the apple command icon and I feel like the majority of buyers aren't mac users. I use both, but would still prefer the universal icons.
Please fill in the form if you haven't already, we'll base our final decision on that :)
yup yup, did that :D
I just like to foist my opinion on to internet strangers sometimes so I can feel special
Post by: LXVRGS on Fri, 10 January 2020, 17:11:00
Post by: Lormania on Fri, 10 January 2020, 18:32:57
Possible for accent enters on 40s?
This please!
Post by: Macmutant on Fri, 10 January 2020, 19:43:17
Post by: FRANCO on Fri, 10 January 2020, 23:25:53
Post by: hnaeht on Sat, 11 January 2020, 04:04:30
Post by: Emir on Sat, 11 January 2020, 11:08:16
Post by: janglad on Sat, 11 January 2020, 12:15:11
ne traditional icon mod kit avail :rolleyes:
I'll spray paint the caps and redraw legends top left with a sharpie just for u, consider it an artisan :-*
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 11 January 2020, 12:58:07
ne traditional icon mod kit avail :rolleyes:
I'll spray paint the caps and redraw legends top left with a sharpie just for u, consider it an artisan :-*
Artisan lettering can be either the best or the worst.
But even the worst artisan lettering is better than post-it lettering!
Post by: Emir on Sat, 11 January 2020, 14:44:02
ne traditional icon mod kit avail :rolleyes:
I'll spray paint the caps and redraw legends top left with a sharpie just for u, consider it an artisan :-*
knew I could count on you <3
Post by: martensson on Sat, 11 January 2020, 16:34:33
Thanks for considering the change and no what result I am looking forward to it!
Post by: Zacharius on Sat, 11 January 2020, 18:39:43
Hey everyone!This looks so good
First a general update on timing, GMK Modern Dolch Light will run in February from the 2nd until March 1st!
Secondly, a popular request was having proper Apple style icons for the bottom row in the Modern Kit. We're considering changing the kit to the one linked below. We'd love some extra feedback on this kit though and have made a form for that. Secondly, we're also slightly worried making the kit full Apple style might "eat up" the command kit. So if you're still interested in that kit please fill out the form too!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cFj1jeo.jpg)
Please fill in this form if you're interested in the Modern Kit!! (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsVS8-fvxLPzN7jOoFZZQWMcbMtTBS-YB3BHaDDDBAuiP5Fg/viewform)
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Post by: janglad on Sun, 12 January 2020, 13:57:28
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsVS8-fvxLPzN7jOoFZZQWMcbMtTBS-YB3BHaDDDBAuiP5Fg/viewform (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsVS8-fvxLPzN7jOoFZZQWMcbMtTBS-YB3BHaDDDBAuiP5Fg/viewform)
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Post by: PocketAces on Mon, 13 January 2020, 10:28:53
Any plans for a deskmat?Wondering the same thing.
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Any plans for a deskmat?Wondering the same thing.
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Possibly
Post by: iliketimex on Mon, 13 January 2020, 12:05:54
Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 15 January 2020, 10:59:07
Thanks!
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 15 January 2020, 12:12:50
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Post by: hb_swift on Wed, 15 January 2020, 12:57:54
I just want to reiterate that I would ask you to add the 2 keys necessary for the Minivan to the 40’s kit. Your reasoning and rational were weak at best and I believe that you are ignoring many factors that would only help the 40’s reach MOQ when it’s time for the GB.
Thanks!
I'm a noobie. Why is everyone complaining about Honda Odysseys?
Post by: TuckTuckFloof on Wed, 15 January 2020, 13:05:12
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Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 15 January 2020, 13:43:30
I just want to reiterate that I would ask you to add the 2 keys necessary for the Minivan to the 40’s kit. Your reasoning and rational were weak at best and I believe that you are ignoring many factors that would only help the 40’s reach MOQ when it’s time for the GB.
Thanks!
This is quite a wonderful set, however it has come to my attention that it lacks the essential key caps in the "Obscure" 40% kit that lacks the compatibility with my current daily driver, the Minivan. I believe that it would help sales by adding the keys necessary for it to be a compatible keyboard with this key cap set and I would very much appreciate it if minivan was supported.
- The product owner/designer owes no justification nor reasoning to the consumer for any decisions they make with regards to their own product. This is purely done as a gesture to the consumer, and as a consumer, it shouldn't be expected that the product owner beckon to every request that's thrown at them.
- If an issue regarding kit structuring has already been addressed, the designer has obviously already taken into account the viability of the request with regards to the overall MOQ risk and financial incentives of said kit. Framing your personal desires as "it will help reach MOQ" or "increase sales" is counter-intuitive. The decision was made to structure the kits in the way that they are because research into said issue justified it as the optimal approach in the eyes of the product owner.
Post by: LXVRGS on Wed, 15 January 2020, 14:04:15
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 15 January 2020, 14:06:03
I just want to reiterate that I would ask you to add the 2 keys necessary for the Minivan to the 40’s kit. Your reasoning and rational were weak at best and I believe that you are ignoring many factors that would only help the 40’s reach MOQ when it’s time for the GB.
Thanks!This is quite a wonderful set, however it has come to my attention that it lacks the essential key caps in the "Obscure" 40% kit that lacks the compatibility with my current daily driver, the Minivan. I believe that it would help sales by adding the keys necessary for it to be a compatible keyboard with this key cap set and I would very much appreciate it if minivan was supported.
- The product owner/designer owes no justification nor reasoning to the consumer for any decisions they make with regards to their own product. This is purely done as a gesture to the consumer, and as a consumer, it shouldn't be expected that the product owner beckon to every request that's thrown at them.
- If an issue regarding kit structuring has already been addressed, the designer has obviously already taken into account the viability of the request with regards to the overall MOQ risk and financial incentives of said kit. Framing your personal desires as "it will help reach MOQ" or "increase sales" is counter-intuitive. The decision was made to structure the kits in the way that they are because research into said issue justified it as the optimal approach in the eyes of the product owner.
Yes, designer may choose to make choices without sharing their reasoning. Although it could be argued that doing so defeats the purpose of an interest check.
They asked to see proof that there was interest from Minvan owners, and we're merely expressing that interest. As this is an interest check, that is all we can do.
Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 15 January 2020, 14:18:46
I just want to reiterate that I would ask you to add the 2 keys necessary for the Minivan to the 40’s kit. Your reasoning and rational were weak at best and I believe that you are ignoring many factors that would only help the 40’s reach MOQ when it’s time for the GB.
Thanks!This is quite a wonderful set, however it has come to my attention that it lacks the essential key caps in the "Obscure" 40% kit that lacks the compatibility with my current daily driver, the Minivan. I believe that it would help sales by adding the keys necessary for it to be a compatible keyboard with this key cap set and I would very much appreciate it if minivan was supported.
- The product owner/designer owes no justification nor reasoning to the consumer for any decisions they make with regards to their own product. This is purely done as a gesture to the consumer, and as a consumer, it shouldn't be expected that the product owner beckon to every request that's thrown at them.
- If an issue regarding kit structuring has already been addressed, the designer has obviously already taken into account the viability of the request with regards to the overall MOQ risk and financial incentives of said kit. Framing your personal desires as "it will help reach MOQ" or "increase sales" is counter-intuitive. The decision was made to structure the kits in the way that they are because research into said issue justified it as the optimal approach in the eyes of the product owner.
His "research" was just sticking to his IC form and nothing else. Then he came into the discord server and his justification is that the board (which is the most popular 40% in staggered form) isn't being sold anymore, and therefore he shouldn't need to provide compat. Then when challenged, his reasoning was that "I doubt many people in the community actually use the board considering the board was a kickstarter". (His quote word for word) That is a take that just isn't true and one that spending 10 mins doing some research, he'd be able to see how many people do in fact, use the board on a daily basis. (Not to mention how many variants are out there)
It's HIS choice to run the see the way he sees fit, you are correct. However as someone who likes the colorway of this set, it's frustrating to see reasoning that wasn't well researched as an excuse to not include literally 2 keys.
Post by: magix on Wed, 15 January 2020, 14:33:45
Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 15 January 2020, 14:38:35
Inb4 the thread gets locked.
Why?
It's civil, and healthy discussion is good for the community, especially when people are ill-informed or have misinformation.
Post by: neojonathan on Wed, 15 January 2020, 15:16:07
Post by: KuroTheCrazy on Wed, 15 January 2020, 15:19:59
Post by: nephlock on Wed, 15 January 2020, 15:20:41
Minivan always spicy
You’re spicy
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 15 January 2020, 15:56:14
Post by: ddnomad on Wed, 15 January 2020, 18:51:39
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 15 January 2020, 18:52:53
Another thread falls victim to compat wars ...
how is asking for support in an IC a "compat war"??
Post by: ddnomad on Wed, 15 January 2020, 18:55:38
Another thread falls victim to compat wars ...
how is asking for support in an IC a "compat war"??
Well, I remember how that end up in Olivia++ IC lol
Not that I’m saying it is good or bad, just stating the fact that it usually escalated into a full fledged compat war :D
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 15 January 2020, 18:58:19
I just want to reiterate that I would ask you to add the 2 keys necessary for the Minivan to the 40’s kit. Your reasoning and rational were weak at best and I believe that you are ignoring many factors that would only help the 40’s reach MOQ when it’s time for the GB.
Thanks!This is quite a wonderful set, however it has come to my attention that it lacks the essential key caps in the "Obscure" 40% kit that lacks the compatibility with my current daily driver, the Minivan. I believe that it would help sales by adding the keys necessary for it to be a compatible keyboard with this key cap set and I would very much appreciate it if minivan was supported.
- The product owner/designer owes no justification nor reasoning to the consumer for any decisions they make with regards to their own product. This is purely done as a gesture to the consumer, and as a consumer, it shouldn't be expected that the product owner beckon to every request that's thrown at them.
- If an issue regarding kit structuring has already been addressed, the designer has obviously already taken into account the viability of the request with regards to the overall MOQ risk and financial incentives of said kit. Framing your personal desires as "it will help reach MOQ" or "increase sales" is counter-intuitive. The decision was made to structure the kits in the way that they are because research into said issue justified it as the optimal approach in the eyes of the product owner.
Yes, designer may choose to make choices without sharing their reasoning. Although it could be argued that doing so defeats the purpose of an interest check.
They asked to see proof that there was interest from Minvan owners, and we're merely expressing that interest. As this is an interest check, that is all we can do.
OP has actually listened to a lot of the feedback here.
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 15 January 2020, 19:01:01
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OP has actually listened to a lot of the feedback here.
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Good! maybe he'll change his mind then :thumb:
Post by: leexy on Wed, 15 January 2020, 19:54:38
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Post by: PocketAces on Wed, 15 January 2020, 22:55:48
TKC has purchased the IP and is in the process of bringing them back to market. Not to mention there's over 2000 known in existence in the communityI’m new to this hobby and when I found out I couldn’t get them anymore I was sad.
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Now it’s actually in the realm of possibility for me!
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Post by: fabryrock on Tue, 21 January 2020, 10:11:49
Post by: janglad on Tue, 21 January 2020, 10:13:40
is it me or i cant find any render with the accent SBs? how am i supposed to buy em if i cant see them firstly? :p
Yes you're right, this is my bad. I'm working on more renders for the GB and will definitely include some with accent spacebars!
Post by: LXVRGS on Tue, 21 January 2020, 11:36:56
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Post by: noodleman on Mon, 27 January 2020, 09:32:34
Post by: shoteve on Mon, 27 January 2020, 12:42:24
any pricing info available?*Pricing will be announced later, but pricing will be similar to GMK 9009."
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Post by: Dakk1d on Mon, 27 January 2020, 17:54:08
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 28 January 2020, 03:25:40
Any dark iso enter avail in the alternate kit?
Still hoping to see this aswell ;D
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 28 January 2020, 04:36:09
Post by: geraldjubi on Tue, 28 January 2020, 20:18:23
please and thank you
Post by: iliketimex on Wed, 29 January 2020, 00:15:37
Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Wed, 29 January 2020, 00:56:06
I hope they’re making it in as the kit!
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Post by: V0X3L on Wed, 29 January 2020, 02:15:29
Looking on the groupbuy page on Dixiemech, it lists the profile as "SCULPT: 1-2-3-4-5". Is this correct?
I really hope this is 1-2-3-4 . need to clarify this point.
Post by: janglad on Wed, 29 January 2020, 07:24:51
Woops that’s definitely a mistake, this set is indeed 1-2-3-4-4!Looking on the groupbuy page on Dixiemech, it lists the profile as "SCULPT: 1-2-3-4-5". Is this correct?
I really hope this is 1-2-3-4 . need to clarify this point.
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Post by: Scriba on Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:24:19
Ooh also if there are any boards you'd like to see this on feel free to suggest some :)Iron165 white please!
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I would really like to see a render for the Rama Koyu "moon" (m65-b will looks the same).
Post by: Kristof on Fri, 31 January 2020, 10:13:47
Post by: janglad on Fri, 31 January 2020, 18:20:43
Final kit update, think there are some crowd-pleasers in here ;)
Alternate
(https://i.imgur.com/LdvvVaE.jpg)
Added a ISO accent enter key.
Command
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a02c663268b961642ad2bbf/1579790089373-D1EDQ4SMFSOV75OBRLCF/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPTrHXgsMrSIMwe6YW3w1AZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0k5fwC0WRNFJBIXiBeNI5fKTrY37saURwPBw8fO2esROAxn-RKSrlQamlL27g22X2A/Kit_Command.jpg?format=2500w)
Decided to keep the kit after feedback from the form.
Modern
(https://i.imgur.com/xXmNAnc.jpg)
Decided on the V2 version of the kit after feedback from the form.
Obscure
(https://i.imgur.com/US4MEo4.jpg)
Added support for Minivan style layouts.
We'll have more exciting updates tomorrow including final pricing and a lot of cool accessories! Probably a good idea to keep an eye on this, there'll be surprises for those who join on day one! ;)
Post by: Zacharius on Fri, 31 January 2020, 18:21:33
Hey everyone!My body is ready
Final kit update, think there are some crowd-pleasers in here ;)
AlternateShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LdvvVaE.jpg)
Added a ISO accent enter key.
CommandShow Image(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a02c663268b961642ad2bbf/1579790089373-D1EDQ4SMFSOV75OBRLCF/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPTrHXgsMrSIMwe6YW3w1AZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0k5fwC0WRNFJBIXiBeNI5fKTrY37saURwPBw8fO2esROAxn-RKSrlQamlL27g22X2A/Kit_Command.jpg?format=2500w)
Decided to keep the kit after feedback from the form.
ModernShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/xXmNAnc.jpg)
Decided on the V2 version of the kit after feedback from the form.
ObscureShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/US4MEo4.jpg)
Added support for Minivan style layouts.
We'll have more exciting updates tomorrow including final pricing and a lot of cool accessories! Probably a good idea to keep an eye on this, there'll be surprises for those who join on day one! ;)
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Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 31 January 2020, 18:31:28
janglad, you gonna have matching rama caps for this set like MoDo?Yes
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any render for these?
Post by: janglad on Fri, 31 January 2020, 18:32:57
janglad, you gonna have matching rama caps for this set like MoDo?Yes
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any render for these?
Soon™ , I can say it’s a fan favourite from a previous Modern Dolch version making a comeback tho ;)
Post by: prangano on Fri, 31 January 2020, 18:38:50
Just curious. Why use R4 for the bottom row instead of 5? The tenders of 9009 R3 with a R5 bottom row look really good.Woops that’s definitely a mistake, this set is indeed 1-2-3-4-4!Looking on the groupbuy page on Dixiemech, it lists the profile as "SCULPT: 1-2-3-4-5". Is this correct?
I really hope this is 1-2-3-4 . need to clarify this point.
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Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:06:34
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