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Title: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: Emir on Sun, 21 July 2019, 11:24:05
Renders courtesy of fellow swede MacSurfy

WoB Lumina by GreenwaldDesigns
(https://i.imgur.com/OJl5ksg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0zUczoR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Nye2MH9.jpg)

BoW Prophet by CableCarDesigns

(https://i.imgur.com/UvWGZfZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CUyUQNx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vkcBQ5j.jpg)

WoB + BoW accents TGR Alice by Yuktsi

(https://i.imgur.com/ovK5atB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BmKeLkO.jpg)


Backstory

WoB Icon Kit ran initially in 2016 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80267.0), this is one kit a lot of people, including myself, have been waiting for to be ran again.
Extension/Compatibility kits are in right now, so why not give it a go? :cool:

GMK WoB is more or less readily available through multiple vendors, but the fully fledged WoB base kits all feature text+icon mods. As some have come to know about me, I live and die by icon mods - this is a must have for me, and I assume many of you as well! BoW has also been added due to the big amount of GMK Minimal (CR+WS1) lacking icon mods. It may also serve as accent keys.



The kit
(https://i.imgur.com/iuKPByt.jpg)

It features support for most layouts, omitting the bottom row as the available WoB sets have modern compatibility already. Colors are CR and WS1.
Control is also omitted in icon form, as that would require a bottom row that uses icons to make sense, and Control R3 is featured in the aforementioned WoB kits.


Details

Dates:
Live - 22nd of July - 31st of August
Expected delivery - December 2019

Pricing + Vendors:
EU: Mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-bow-icon-extension-kit_1121/) - 56 Euro
US: Cannonkeys (https://cannonkeys.com/collections/group-buy/products/gmk-wob-bow-icon-extension-kit) - 54,99USD
Asia: KBDFans (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/gb-gmk-wob-bow-icon-extension-kit) - 59,90USD
Oceania: Dailyclack (https://dailyclack.com/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-wob-bow-extension-kit) - 98AUD

MOQ: 150



Emir's laboratory discord for following progress and discussing:
https://discord.gg/MwVTg2E


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Signature on Tue, 23 July 2019, 05:06:29
Approved!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: N1kL. on Tue, 23 July 2019, 05:50:40
is it pbt? and whats about f keys row
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 23 July 2019, 06:04:28
is it pbt? and whats about f keys row

GMK is doubleshot ABS. This kit is designed as an addon to an existing set (two in fact) rather than a full mod set, which is why it doesn't include bottom row or top row mods.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: tobiasvl on Tue, 23 July 2019, 06:14:53
I'm in, good luck peeps.

Just ordered GMK Minimal extras, but regretting getting the add-on kit just for ISO support since this kit supplies that!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 23 July 2019, 06:17:39
i know this is not an IC anymore, but why the extra ESC key?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 23 July 2019, 06:21:12
i know this is not an IC anymore, but why the extra ESC key?

iirc the idea was that people could use the inverted mods as accents if they wanted to - and obviously having no accent esc would be a bit strange.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 23 July 2019, 06:22:57
i know this is not an IC anymore, but why the extra ESC key?

iirc the idea was that people could use the inverted mods as accents if they wanted to - and obviously having no accent esc would be a bit strange

thanks, that makes sense  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: tobiasvl on Tue, 23 July 2019, 08:33:01
And I asked this in the IC thread, but are there any reasons not to buy through KBDFans even if you don't live in Asia? Is it all the same to you as GB runner?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 23 July 2019, 08:47:25
And I asked this in the IC thread, but are there any reasons not to buy through KBDFans even if you don't live in Asia? Is it all the same to you as GB runner?

Well if you are in the EU, you can risk VAT and customs fees ordering from Kbdfans
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: MacSurfy on Tue, 23 July 2019, 09:03:53
And I asked this in the IC thread, but are there any reasons not to buy through KBDFans even if you don't live in Asia? Is it all the same to you as GB runner?

You have a higher chance of your package getting lost on the way from Asia rather than buying from a EU vendor. It'll also take longer to your door. Not sure why you would do that to save a few euros on shipping but to each their own. Other than that you can buy from anywhere you want I guess.

Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: tobiasvl on Tue, 23 July 2019, 09:14:54
Well if you are in the EU, you can risk VAT and customs fees ordering from Kbdfans
Ah right. I'm in Europe, but not in the EU, so there would be VAT/customs fees regardless. And my experience with KBDFans is that they often undervalue packages, so in my case I'd probably be less likely to pay any fees. (I actually didn't consider that EU countries don't pay customs fees inside the EU, so I guess it makes less sense for others.)

You have a higher chance of your package getting lost on the way from Asia rather than buying from a EU vendor. It'll also take longer to your door. Not sure why you would do that to save a few euros on shipping but to each their own. Other than that you can buy from anywhere you want I guess.

KBDFans is €53, while MyKeyboard ends up at €74 with shipping. Plus 25% VAT (on the entire sum, including shipping) and a customs fee, so from MyKeyboard it'll probably be around €100 for me. A bit more than "a few euros" in exchange for little risk IMO, even if I end up having to pay VAT on the package from KBDFans (which I doubt I will).

Anyway, thanks for the answers and GLWGB!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 23 July 2019, 10:05:40
And I asked this in the IC thread, but are there any reasons not to buy through KBDFans even if you don't live in Asia? Is it all the same to you as GB runner?

To me it makes no difference, feel free to use any vendor that you are comfortable with! :) The reason proxies exist is to offer available options regardless of where you are, the opposite of limiting ones choice. :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 23 July 2019, 10:42:13
Well if you are in the EU, you can risk VAT and customs fees ordering from Kbdfans
Ah right. I'm in Europe, but not in the EU, so there would be VAT/customs fees regardless. And my experience with KBDFans is that they often undervalue packages, so in my case I'd probably be less likely to pay any fees. (I actually didn't consider that EU countries don't pay customs fees inside the EU, so I guess it makes less sense for others.)

You have a higher chance of your package getting lost on the way from Asia rather than buying from a EU vendor. It'll also take longer to your door. Not sure why you would do that to save a few euros on shipping but to each their own. Other than that you can buy from anywhere you want I guess.

KBDFans is Ä53, while MyKeyboard ends up at Ä74 with shipping. Plus 25% VAT (on the entire sum, including shipping) and a customs fee, so from MyKeyboard it'll probably be around Ä100 for me. A bit more than "a few euros" in exchange for little risk IMO, even if I end up having to pay VAT on the package from KBDFans (which I doubt I will).

Anyway, thanks for the answers and GLWGB!

Yo i think they can refund you the VAT..? ( mykeeb.eu ) just hit them up, Mener de fleste andre norske mechheads for gjort det.. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 23 July 2019, 10:43:39
Still undecided on this, but good luck nevertheless!

(and whoever doesn't want the ISO Enter keys, I'll give them a good home!!!) ;D

Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Dreamre on Tue, 23 July 2019, 10:51:54
Looking for someone from Canada/US to split this set with me as I only need the white mods. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: ideus on Tue, 23 July 2019, 15:24:19
Looking for someone from Canada/US to split this set with me as I only need the white mods. Thanks.

Edit:

Manage to split one set, need to split another 1-2.


I i sir. I just need the white on black mods. PMing you.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 23 July 2019, 15:50:00
Looking for someone from Canada/US to split this set with me as I only need the white mods. Thanks.

Same but in EU. If anyone wants the white on black portion and is keen on going halfsies let me know.

Edit: Sorted.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 23 July 2019, 16:32:50
Minimal extras are live at mykeyboard by the way! https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-minimal-base-kit_940/
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Thu, 25 July 2019, 16:54:55
A few days in and we are close to being half way to MOQ!  :-*
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Fri, 26 July 2019, 01:19:17
Iím based in South America. Where should I order from? KBDfans or Cannonkeys?


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Fri, 26 July 2019, 03:30:36
Iím based in South America. Where should I order from? KBDfans or Cannonkeys?


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Hmm, I'm not qualified to answer that. Where do you usually order?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 26 July 2019, 07:50:29
Iím based in South America. Where should I order from? KBDfans or Cannonkeys?


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Hmm, I'm not qualified to answer that. Where do you usually order?

I'm Ņhalf qualified? to answer.

I've made a few purchases on Kbdfans (including GMK Nines!) without issues so far. I've never bought from Cannonkeys.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Fri, 26 July 2019, 11:49:14
Iím based in South America. Where should I order from? KBDfans or Cannonkeys?


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Hmm, I'm not qualified to answer that. Where do you usually order?

I'm Ņhalf qualified? to answer.

I've made a few purchases on Kbdfans (including GMK Nines!) without issues so far. I've never bought from Cannonkeys.

Same here. I've bought from KBDfans before, but never from Cannonkeys. I guess I'll go with KBDfans again.

Thank you both!


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 30 July 2019, 11:51:13
Great! I have a feeling there are more people out there wondering the same thing, where a specific vendor isn't "obvious" to them. :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: JohnWest on Wed, 31 July 2019, 05:25:30
Any chance you could proxy this through https://dailyclack.com for us filthy Aussies? :D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 31 July 2019, 06:34:11
Any chance you could proxy this through https://dailyclack.com for us filthy Aussies? :D

Is kbdfans not a good option? Worst case, I can reach out to the and see what we can do.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 31 July 2019, 07:29:09
Any chance you could proxy this through https://dailyclack.com (https://dailyclack.com) for us filthy Aussies? :D

Is kbdfans not a good option? Worst case, I can reach out to the and see what we can do.
Just for the record: Five orders in the last two years have been fulfilled with no issues whatsoever. I live in America, for reference. Large orders like keyboard kits are shipped using major carriers like FedEx.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: tobiasvl on Wed, 31 July 2019, 08:21:41
If customs is what you're worried aboutÖ KBDFans has undervalued all the packages they've sent me, haven't had to pay anything extra. Also haven't ever had any issues with them (I'm in Europe).
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 31 July 2019, 08:58:18
Any chance you could proxy this through https://dailyclack.com (https://dailyclack.com) for us filthy Aussies? :D

Is kbdfans not a good option? Worst case, I can reach out to the and see what we can do.
Just for the record: Five orders in the last two years have been fulfilled with no issues whatsoever. I live in America, for reference. Large orders like keyboard kits are shipped using major carriers like FedEx.

Same, living in Sweden I never had any issues at all. Idk how it is for Australians though, but it should be convenient.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 31 July 2019, 09:04:06
Any chance you could proxy this through https://dailyclack.com (https://dailyclack.com) for us filthy Aussies? :D

Is kbdfans not a good option? Worst case, I can reach out to the and see what we can do.
Just for the record: Five orders in the last two years have been fulfilled with no issues whatsoever. I live in America, for reference. Large orders like keyboard kits are shipped using major carriers like FedEx.

Same, living in Sweden I never had any issues at all. Idk how it is for Australians though, but it should be convenient.
Aus is even closer to them than us. Do you use Swedish layout, btw?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: JohnWest on Wed, 31 July 2019, 10:20:12
Any chance you could proxy this through https://dailyclack.com (https://dailyclack.com) for us filthy Aussies? :D

Is kbdfans not a good option? Worst case, I can reach out to the and see what we can do.
Just for the record: Five orders in the last two years have been fulfilled with no issues whatsoever. I live in America, for reference. Large orders like keyboard kits are shipped using major carriers like FedEx.

Same, living in Sweden I never had any issues at all. Idk how it is for Australians though, but it should be convenient.

Kbdfans is ok, I just prefer DailyClack. Not a big deal at all, just thought I'd ask :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 31 July 2019, 11:54:46
Any chance you could proxy this through https://dailyclack.com (https://dailyclack.com) for us filthy Aussies? :D

Is kbdfans not a good option? Worst case, I can reach out to the and see what we can do.
Just for the record: Five orders in the last two years have been fulfilled with no issues whatsoever. I live in America, for reference. Large orders like keyboard kits are shipped using major carriers like FedEx.

Same, living in Sweden I never had any issues at all. Idk how it is for Australians though, but it should be convenient.
Aus is even closer to them than us. Do you use Swedish layout, btw?

Nope, I don't mind ansi. Exclusively use hhkb layout atm. 💃
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 06 August 2019, 10:16:35
We are closing in on MOQ with 4 weeks left to go!

another update, I made a discord - if you want to follow progress or chat about my projects, please feel free to join:
https://discord.gg/MwVTg2E
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08) MOQ REACHED!
Post by: Emir on Fri, 16 August 2019, 15:03:41
Heyo! MOQ Has been reached! Thank you everyone for showing support!

It'll be live for a couple of weeks more, don't forget to join! <3
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08) MOQ REACHED!
Post by: MacSurfy on Fri, 16 August 2019, 15:23:25
Heyo! MOQ Has been reached! Thank you everyone for showing support!

It'll be live for a couple of weeks more, don't forget to join! <3

That's great news!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE 22/07-31/08) MOQ REACHED!
Post by: Emir on Sun, 25 August 2019, 02:54:24
Less than a week left! We made moq, so any order is sure to make it!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - 2 days left, Dailyclack added!
Post by: Emir on Thu, 29 August 2019, 16:30:49
Heyo, small update - we are almost up to 250 sales!

With that, I'd like to officially announce dailyclack as a vendor for oceania (even though it's been up a lil while now!):
https://dailyclack.com/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-wob-bow-extension-kit

Don't forget, this ends by the end of Saturday! Make sure to join before then! :D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - >>>FINAL DAY<<<, Dailyclack added!
Post by: Emir on Sat, 31 August 2019, 14:16:07
Final day! 250 orders have been reached, thank you everyone!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - 2 days left, Dailyclack added!
Post by: forumusername on Sat, 31 August 2019, 20:32:16
In at the last second  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order-
Post by: Emir on Mon, 02 September 2019, 16:04:18
Despite a bit of low activity in the thread, we managed to sell 296kits! With extras, there are 350 - so make sure to grab extras once they go live before they're gone, and who knows how long we have to wait for this kit to run again! :D

Thank you everyone! Order is now being submitted to GMK.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 20 November 2019, 04:24:06
Hi everyone - sad update:
GMK WoB/BoW delivery from GMK has been delayed until the 20th of January. We've been seeing more sets hit by delays, such as handarbeit, so it's not an isolated event.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Dreamre on Thu, 05 December 2019, 13:16:52
Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: ever9415 on Thu, 05 December 2019, 23:06:12
Hi everyone - sad update:
GMK WoB/BoW delivery from GMK has been delayed until the 20th of January. We've been seeing more sets hit by delays, such as handarbeit, so it's not an isolated event.

Thank you for the update.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: runningngunning on Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:27:02
Thanks for the update! Had my WoB set sitting in my closet waiting for this to ship
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: ghstgrl on Sun, 05 January 2020, 17:15:02
Damn I missed this. Would be down for extras so I can get that GMK Zhuyin add on kit hmm.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: bigapplepietart on Tue, 21 January 2020, 09:23:20
Any news when the extras will be put for sale?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Emir on Tue, 21 January 2020, 09:39:18
According to the GMK schedule we got, it should've shipped yesterday.
I do not have a confirmation of that, but I am hunting for a status update and will let you know ASAP.

As for extras, they usually hit after the vendors have cleared their log of shipments for the GB participants - should be the same this time. :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: rjohn on Tue, 21 January 2020, 09:48:42
too late.....interested for extras.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 22 January 2020, 16:41:37
New shipping date from GMK is set to 29th January! Hope we will start to receive our kits in about two weeks (EU)! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Emir on Tue, 04 February 2020, 16:53:53
Shipped last week and should be with vendors shortly! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 07 February 2020, 11:33:34
Got an email from CannonKeys saying that they'll be shipping out to customers this weekend/next week :D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: selectallfrom on Fri, 07 February 2020, 11:52:24
Just received tracking number from Daily Clack.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Paddel06 on Fri, 07 February 2020, 12:06:14
Mykeyboard order is on the way and should arrive on Monday :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Emir on Fri, 07 February 2020, 14:25:11
Posted this in discord a few days ago :D
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/674566594403368971/image0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: bigapplepietart on Sun, 09 February 2020, 09:10:38
If anyone will be selling their set, please let me know!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Lil on Sun, 09 February 2020, 19:24:48
If anyone will be selling their set, please let me know!
https://dailyclack.com/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-wob-bow-extension-kit
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: tobiasvl on Mon, 10 February 2020, 16:42:41
Looks great! Now I'm kinda regretting buying from KBDFans :))
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: jimboytacos on Tue, 11 February 2020, 22:14:46
Looks great! Now I'm kinda regretting buying from KBDFans :))

Why? What's wrong? I got mines from them too...
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 11 February 2020, 22:25:44
Looks great! Now I'm kinda regretting buying from KBDFans :))

Why? What's wrong? I got mines from them too...
You aren't getting them for a while since everything is on a standstill in China due to the coronavirus
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: tobiasvl on Wed, 12 February 2020, 02:20:01
Looks great! Now I'm kinda regretting buying from KBDFans :))

Why? What's wrong? I got mines from them too...

There's at least a further 2 week shipping delay since the factories are still closed by a mandate from the Chinese government.

It's not like I regret it deeply though, KBDFans was much cheaper for me and I can obviously wait a bit longer to ensure people's well-being.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: ever9415 on Thu, 13 February 2020, 18:16:46
Can't we replace KBDfans with another proxy?
I regret buying it from KBDfans.
There is a TXKeyboard in South Korea.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 19 February 2020, 13:57:21
It has come to my attention that GMK WoB/BoW icon extension kit unfortunately also suffers from legend inconsistencies and issues. Some lines of the legends could be wonky, as in lines aren't straight or the cap seems like the first shot fell short at places. There are also thickness inconsistencies. So far I haven't noticed any alignment issues, like with wavez.

Please post your feedback here in the thread in detail (images, circle the issues if you can) and I'll do the work behind the scenes.

Also, it is important that you reach out to your vendor with the feedback.

Thank you, and sorry. I'm looking into it!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: vtachkov on Wed, 19 February 2020, 14:13:06
Looks like GMK's quality is dropping. Here's a couple of pictures illustrating some of the issues, compared to icon mods from GMK Burgundy R2 (bottom).

(https://imgur.com/90bfh2a.png)
(https://imgur.com/u16c2Ks.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 19 February 2020, 14:15:25
Looks like GMK's quality is dropping. Here's a couple of pictures illustrating some of the issues, compared to icon mods from GMK Burgundy R2 (bottom).

Show Image
(https://imgur.com/90bfh2a.png)

Show Image
(https://imgur.com/u16c2Ks.png)


Amazing, thank you for taking the time to help out! This is exactly what I need!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Paddel06 on Wed, 19 February 2020, 16:23:20
My caps seem to have identical errors as the ones pictured by vtachkov, WoB and BoW alike.

Pictures:
More
(https://i.imgur.com/QlLdt7i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/riaWksi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dTJWQDN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5Zqc2NN.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 19 February 2020, 16:45:53
Same here, unfortunately
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Zurg Eon on Wed, 19 February 2020, 17:19:19
Received my replacement Oblivion "Hello, World!" ANSI enter keycap from Drop today, had to complain to my Wavez proxy about the crooked esc, and now this.

Will we be required to complain to our proxy to be eligible for a replacement in this case as well?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 19 February 2020, 17:37:23
Received my replacement Oblivion "Hello, World!" ANSI enter keycap from Drop today, had to complain to my Wavez proxy about the crooked esc, and now this.

Will we be required to complain to our proxy to be eligible for a replacement in this case as well?

I understand that it is inconvenient and really sucks for all parties involved, but  going through the vendor which sold the product is the best way to move forwards. It is not only for a replacement, but also awareness. If every single kit is affected then there might be a solution where everyone who ordered gets a replacement even if they didn't complain, but we need feedback and making gmk aware through the vendors which placed the orders. I hope you understand, but I do agree that it's a ****ty situation for everyone :/
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Little4Real on Thu, 20 February 2020, 00:02:40
Will there be any extras?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Thu, 20 February 2020, 00:33:46
Will there be any extras?

Every vendor has extras and will release them, but as for timing, it is up to the vendors. :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: jani80k on Thu, 20 February 2020, 01:56:14
My set has the same issues. Sorry for the bad quality images, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: crzone on Thu, 20 February 2020, 11:38:32
Took a few quick macros. Two of the Shifts and the Enters seem to be the ones that are sub-par. The white Shifts were out of focus and noticed this only when viewing the picture on the PC but they are basically the same as the black ones.

Imgur album here:
https://imgur.com/a/vl6rxGK

LE:
Remove attachments, added Imgur Album.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Audiobs on Thu, 20 February 2020, 13:06:28
Confirming the same with all my kits, both BoW and WoB:

(https://i.imgur.com/9R7PhRs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/83X9Y7G.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yIdpKUI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ntwzA9r.jpg)

R3 Enter (uneven horizontal line)
R4 1.75 Shift (uneven and inconsistent throughout, especially the lower right)
R4 1.25 Shift (uneven and inconsistent throughout, especially the lower right)

What's the issue with the numpad 'Enter'?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: crzone on Thu, 20 February 2020, 13:33:45
The numpad Enter seemed a little bit thinner in the middle, but yes, the ones you mentioned are the worst offenders.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Audiobs on Thu, 20 February 2020, 13:44:58
The numpad Enter seemed a little bit thinner in the middle, but yes, the ones you mentioned are the worst offenders.

Right, very so slightly.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - sending order to GMK -
Post by: tobiasvl on Wed, 26 February 2020, 05:09:26
Looks great! Now I'm kinda regretting buying from KBDFans :))

Why? What's wrong? I got mines from them too...

There's at least a further 2 week shipping delay since the factories are still closed by a mandate from the Chinese government.

It's not like I regret it deeply though, KBDFans was much cheaper for me and I can obviously wait a bit longer to ensure people's well-being.

Just got a shipping confirmation from KBDFans :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Wed, 26 February 2020, 09:21:20
Checked my kit the other night - seeing the same issues as described above.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: neon_tom on Wed, 26 February 2020, 09:31:30
Checked my kit the other night - seeing the same issues as described above.

Ditto. GMK really dropped the ball on quality with this run.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 26 February 2020, 09:42:41
Thank you everyone, we are in talks with GMK now to see how to best resolve this and as soon as possible. I'm doing my best.
In the meantime, please keep reporting if you have the same issue, thank you again! <3
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Wed, 26 February 2020, 10:48:24
Thank you everyone, we are in talks with GMK now to see how to best resolve this and as soon as possible. I'm doing my best.
In the meantime, please keep reporting if you have the same issue, thank you again! <3

Thanks, Emir! Really appreciate it  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: js on Wed, 26 February 2020, 20:18:12
I checked my sets and also noticed the issues described by the posts above.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Uleet on Wed, 26 February 2020, 20:26:08
I also reported on discord with the same problem. Hope they can do something about it.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Sunhwan Jeong on Wed, 26 February 2020, 23:39:50
My kits have the same problem. I'll also forward the issue to DailyClack. Thanks to Emir.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 26 February 2020, 23:57:57
I believe we now have a lot of feedback regarding this and it is safe to assume that everyone has the issue. Let me rephrase the question now, is there anyone that doesn't have issues?

Thanks again guys!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 27 February 2020, 06:18:57
Same on mine Emir, shift arrows are mostly hurt, ISO is safe tho :)
Other than that it was so nice to upgrade thanks Emir! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: ehmlis on Thu, 27 February 2020, 09:02:51
Same here, it's mostly the shift arrows that are a little wonky.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: dallman5 on Thu, 27 February 2020, 09:16:04
Just chiming that my kit seems to have the same issues pictured above.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 29 February 2020, 17:33:20
Finally got back to check my kits - the same issues persist on mine as well.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: chriszhu on Sun, 01 March 2020, 09:28:12
Checked my kits and have the same issues, ordered from Cannon Keys (if that is relevant).
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Mings7 on Sun, 01 March 2020, 18:52:46
Just checked and found that I have the same issue as well
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: jimboytacos on Sun, 01 March 2020, 20:50:54
My kits from kbd fans just arrived. It is also affected
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: David93 on Sun, 01 March 2020, 23:42:34
Same as above from Kbdfans. I also have a mark on tab key. Hopefully, the mark can be rubbed off. I haven't had the need to open it yet due to wob being out of stock.

https://imgur.com/a/ckl1mTE
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: yhs on Mon, 02 March 2020, 01:42:08
Should anyone want to part with theirs or spot extras somewhere, please do hit me up! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Morgan3Wheeler on Mon, 02 March 2020, 06:15:36
I found that My sets has same issue as well
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Mon, 02 March 2020, 12:59:24
So... are we getting replacements from GMK? They clearly dropped the ball on this GB.


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Tue, 03 March 2020, 07:11:35
- - VERY IMPORTANT - -

Sorry everyone, but I need to ask you to report these issues (every issue) with images so that I can collect them to present to GMK.
If you previously wrote that you have issues but without images, please post images. Spam the thread - I need everyones feedback on this if we want to try to have it remedied.


- - ALSO IMPORTANT - -
If you DON'T have issues that everyone is having (check images in the thread to know what to look for), please post the images of the correct keys (Enter for example)

Thank you, please assist me in this!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: selectallfrom on Tue, 03 March 2020, 07:22:27
The set I ordered from Daily Clack has bad legends consistent with that other are reporting.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - Shipping to You! - -
Post by: Emir on Tue, 03 March 2020, 07:26:12
- - VERY IMPORTANT - -

Sorry everyone, but I need to ask you to report these issues (every issue) with images so that I can collect them to present to GMK.
If you previously wrote that you have issues but without images, please post images. Spam the thread - I need everyones feedback on this if we want to try to have it remedied.


- - ALSO IMPORTANT - -
If you DON'T have issues that everyone is having (check images in the thread to know what to look for), please post the images of the correct keys (Enter for example)

Thank you, please assist me in this!

Enters (Both main and numpad) as well as shifts issues please. I know it must be really inconvenient and annoying, but please know that the effort is not wasted! <3
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Sunhwan Jeong on Tue, 03 March 2020, 07:41:18
1. Legend of E's'c is weird compared to other GMK sets. (WoB)
2. Enter (The thickness of the line is not constant both WoB, BoW)
3. Most of shifts' lines are DEAD
4. Numpad enter has thickness problem (and rounded end..?) (BoW)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Khers on Tue, 03 March 2020, 11:11:20
I had a look at my set and they display all issues previously reported:

Ugly enters:
(https://i.imgur.com/aU6lJuW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZntJmpE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ga77WqG.jpg)

****y shifts:
(https://i.imgur.com/6XFVAeH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UXpvzeq.jpg)

Bad s:
(https://i.imgur.com/nhmd7Bu.jpg)

GMK y u do dis?
Title: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: neon_tom on Tue, 03 March 2020, 11:33:35
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/72e591f4cb8f99a379f0c45dacfee7c4.plist)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/ad9692fe7beb18aa77981a0c7b730ae4.plist)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/e544fc000d43d11f2251851dbb2905be.plist)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/a0597901c70bdc4cd3b8674b5fb2a29f.plist)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200304/00ee6d1e4cbed0ffc72c1277c1f49e9d.jpg)


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200304/146b3596cf6f6bf63c840c5d2eec83ea.jpg)

Hereís my bad enter, shift, and escape keys.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: DSA1312 on Tue, 03 March 2020, 11:36:29
Here are my worst.
Esc, tab, left shift and stepped caps lock seem fine. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/b184810433f09c549081e7239d98e5b1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/0446798cb42f4f9de5827b943dca8712.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/20372bcfe2f38b2c56d9a9db6b9fb7ae.jpg)

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Olivierko on Tue, 03 March 2020, 16:45:34
Same issue for the two sets that I got as well.
I got a crappy camera and I'm even worse of taking photos but here's my contribution to the skewed icons issue.

(https://i.imgur.com/daXJhqH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9qqTSQc.jpg)

Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: fatalruin on Tue, 03 March 2020, 21:58:36
I have the same defects shown above.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Okonomiyaki#2832 on Wed, 04 March 2020, 07:14:21
At this point can Andy from GMK chime in?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: jakereps on Wed, 04 March 2020, 07:28:06
Just noticed this on Spy. Adding more photos in (fulfilled by CannonKeys):

- My Escapes seem ok (E looks off center, _but_ my Minimal set I'm typing on looks like it matches the same issue so definitely isn't new to GMK)
- WoB Enter is a squiggly line
- 1.75u WoB shift looks like graffiti art (a few others definitely aren't uniform)
- BoW Enter is also a squiggle.

Ignore this one: If I delete it it will show a large preview below so keeping mini to "hide" - super blurry. [attachmini=2]
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Mings7 on Wed, 04 March 2020, 22:21:58
(https://i.imgur.com/zuqkj3D.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/adsZ18S.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wqnfdhN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/91L9PXQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XmVfHC0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZxYSZXB.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Morgan3Wheeler on Thu, 05 March 2020, 05:01:29
(https://i.imgur.com/0EDYn6f.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M1aLM7A.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CyCOube.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0d7hlQ5.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: alpaone on Thu, 05 March 2020, 06:36:12
(https://i.imgur.com/48SpVFv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5nDwg9n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wQHV2Eh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YRxvlOP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sTf3vUy.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: flatwhitemyth on Thu, 05 March 2020, 10:09:00
My set has the same inconsistencies as previously reported. Additionally, it looks like the legending on the caps lock keys that have the LED window are printed or dye-subbed? The quality is quite poor and for the BoW you can see it's very hazy/not sharp. On the WoB it is far from as white and would be very noticeable compared to the doubleshot legends.

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[attach=5]
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[attach=7]
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 05 March 2020, 10:19:44
My set has the same inconsistencies as previously reported. Additionally, it looks like the legending on the caps lock keys that have the LED window are printed or dye-subbed? The quality is quite poor and for the BoW you can see it's very hazy/not sharp. On the WoB it is far from as white and would be very noticeable compared to the doubleshot legends.

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LED caps have always been pad-printed.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: crzone on Thu, 05 March 2020, 14:03:05
Pad printing seems to be similar to sets of the past. The pictures below are of GMK Blue Alert. The double shot molds seem to be the ones with issues.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:27:10
Don't have my camera on hand, so please pardon my phone pictures... Anyway, here are some photos detailing the inconsistencies.

Shift keys: uneven (droopy?) corners and varying line widths:
[attach=1]
[attach=2]

Enter keys: uneven (squiggly?) lines
[attach=4]
[attach=5]


Thanks so much, Emir!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: pockydavid on Fri, 20 March 2020, 16:46:56
Similar issues with previous posts, quite prominent in person.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/3dc3b2adaf109e7abca4c5474818f787.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/8b0f3e1de164ba80ccfcd5df11fd2390.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/22db91e7f8ee7bb9e3a9f57629e0e078.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/c1bb7a48ca2961ad44193619db39bc81.jpg)

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: bigapplepietart on Fri, 03 April 2020, 12:02:54
Same problem here. Bought emí from the Cannon Keys extras. Last pic is the first run of the WoB icon mods.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Zurg Eon on Tue, 07 April 2020, 17:22:37
Got the set today.
Not uniform line on both ANSI enters.
Both WoB and BoW have grafitti-esque 1.75u and 1.25u shifts.
Bad s on WoB Esc. BoW Esc looks kind of better, but I don't think the s is perfect on that one either.
The line tapers in a bit towards the arrow on both numpad enters.
Other than that it's not too shabby.

'Scuse the bad photos. I'll make better ones if required.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Emir on Thu, 09 April 2020, 08:18:42
We, Mykeyboard and myself, have been communicating the reported issues to GMK and had a proper discussion with GMKs CEO about the quality concerns.

He believe's that the majority of problems are within their tolerances as specified by the original Cherry specifications. Since such specifications are not public, we requested to have these specifications describing the expectations and tolerances in detail published online. We expected this to be done by now, but with the current COVID-19 situation they report to have more pressing problems that need to be addressed.

They also report that they are constantly working on improving the quality of their products and believe they already achieve better quality that the original specifications. We understand this is conflicting with the reported issues. It shows there is a clear problem between what the community, our customers are expecting and what GMK is expecting.

What does this all mean for the future and these reported issues?
If GMK publishes such documentation. vendors and customers alike can actively pursue quality issues accurately and without much doubts or confusion. This will give greater control to vendors to sort out a solution with GMK for customers who are reporting issues.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: jimboytacos on Thu, 09 April 2020, 09:47:11
We, Mykeyboard and myself, have been communicating the reported issues to GMK and had a proper discussion with GMKs CEO about the quality concerns.

He believe's that the majority of problems are within their tolerances as specified by the original Cherry specifications. Since such specifications are not public, we requested to have these specifications describing the expectations and tolerances in detail published online. We expected this to be done by now, but with the current COVID-19 situation they report to have more pressing problems that need to be addressed.

They also report that they are constantly working on improving the quality of their products and believe they already achieve better quality that the original specifications. We understand this is conflicting with the reported issues. It shows there is a clear problem between what the community, our customers are expecting and what GMK is expecting.

What does this all mean for the future and these reported issues?
If GMK publishes such documentation. vendors and customers alike can actively pursue quality issues accurately and without much doubts or confusion. This will give greater control to vendors to sort out a solution with GMK for customers who are reporting issues.
Thanks for the follow up emir, but does that mean my set with poor (shall I even say defected?) Icon legends has no hope to be fixed? Quite dissatisfied, and I understand that this is way out of your powers as well....
GB gone wrong?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Emir on Thu, 09 April 2020, 09:56:30
We, Mykeyboard and myself, have been communicating the reported issues to GMK and had a proper discussion with GMKs CEO about the quality concerns.

He believe's that the majority of problems are within their tolerances as specified by the original Cherry specifications. Since such specifications are not public, we requested to have these specifications describing the expectations and tolerances in detail published online. We expected this to be done by now, but with the current COVID-19 situation they report to have more pressing problems that need to be addressed.

They also report that they are constantly working on improving the quality of their products and believe they already achieve better quality that the original specifications. We understand this is conflicting with the reported issues. It shows there is a clear problem between what the community, our customers are expecting and what GMK is expecting.

What does this all mean for the future and these reported issues?
If GMK publishes such documentation. vendors and customers alike can actively pursue quality issues accurately and without much doubts or confusion. This will give greater control to vendors to sort out a solution with GMK for customers who are reporting issues.
Thanks for the follow up emir, but does that mean my set with poor (shall I even say defected?) Icon legends has no hope to be fixed? Quite dissatisfied, and I understand that this is way out of your powers as well....
GB gone wrong?

I understand the disappointment and frustration, I share the same emotions.

It basically means that without GMK communicating exactly what they deem within specification and not, we can't pursue this further as we have no point of reference.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT REGARDING ISSUES POSTED - -
Post by: ideus on Thu, 09 April 2020, 12:22:41
Disclaimer: I did not join this GB. However, based on a long career in quality engineering, I feel compelled to contribute with my grain of salt: A quality specification published after a customer's claim has been raised is a poor management practice, to say the least. Mainly because even vintage Cherry products exceed such "new" quality standards. Therefore, what the community expects is based on the keycaps already in the market.  Beyond technicalities, this seems like a deliberately and lame way for GMK to dismiss its responsibility to provide products that meet the customers' expectations. It appears that current management at the Company does not care about this community anymore. That may be understandable as other parties like Drop are giving more demand to GMK than GH. Shame on them.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Audiobs on Thu, 09 April 2020, 13:14:15
We, Mykeyboard and myself, have been communicating the reported issues to GMK and had a proper discussion with GMKs CEO about the quality concerns.

He believe's that the majority of problems are within their tolerances as specified by the original Cherry specifications. Since such specifications are not public, we requested to have these specifications describing the expectations and tolerances in detail published online. We expected this to be done by now, but with the current COVID-19 situation they report to have more pressing problems that need to be addressed.

They also report that they are constantly working on improving the quality of their products and believe they already achieve better quality that the original specifications. We understand this is conflicting with the reported issues. It shows there is a clear problem between what the community, our customers are expecting and what GMK is expecting.

What does this all mean for the future and these reported issues?
If GMK publishes such documentation. vendors and customers alike can actively pursue quality issues accurately and without much doubts or confusion. This will give greater control to vendors to sort out a solution
with GMK for customers who are reporting issues.

Thanks for the update and trying your best! Are you guys asking GMK to replace the entire kit or just those affected keys? There shouldn't be any debate over the subpar quality, I have seen better quality on the cheapest keycaps. GMK replaced many keys from Oblivion V2 GB over spacing! I guess they only take care of the 'big' clients?! Perhaps the timing is wrong and I am sure they are affected by COVID19 as well. Please express to them that we don't mind waiting as long as they can replace those problematic keys.

I would suggest that you ask GMK to send you samples of production before taking any future delivery on Firefly, Nines R2 and other GBs. You should stop their production if you are not satisfied with the quality. And when you are, use the satisfactory set as a benchmark to compare with the final production sets in case of similar situation. GMK is obviously overwhelmed and couldn't handle the new demands. AND again, I am sure they are affected by COVID19 too. I think they will be more willing to fix the problem before the entire order is finished. Unfortunately, this would mean extra work for you, and I thank you for your hard work!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT REGARDING ISSUES POSTED - -
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 09 April 2020, 13:29:08
The huge problem here (not that the legends for this icon kit being ****ed up is not a big problem) is that the clearly defective moulds are being used for other sets that have been coming out - at least WOB Hiragana has the messed up enter, and if they continue to seep into sets that are currently in line to be produced because GMK thinks it's within their acceptable parameters and has no intent to fix them as for right now then that's not gonna be fun.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - VERY IMPORTANT, NEED FEEDBACK - -
Post by: Khers on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:00:26
We, Mykeyboard and myself, have been communicating the reported issues to GMK and had a proper discussion with GMKs CEO about the quality concerns.

He believe's that the majority of problems are within their tolerances as specified by the original Cherry specifications. Since such specifications are not public, we requested to have these specifications describing the expectations and tolerances in detail published online. We expected this to be done by now, but with the current COVID-19 situation they report to have more pressing problems that need to be addressed.

They also report that they are constantly working on improving the quality of their products and believe they already achieve better quality that the original specifications. We understand this is conflicting with the reported issues. It shows there is a clear problem between what the community, our customers are expecting and what GMK is expecting.

What does this all mean for the future and these reported issues?
If GMK publishes such documentation. vendors and customers alike can actively pursue quality issues accurately and without much doubts or confusion. This will give greater control to vendors to sort out a solution with GMK for customers who are reporting issues.

RIP in peace, GMK.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT REGARDING ISSUES POSTED - -
Post by: nasp on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:05:07
Just to calm some anxiety, I didn't notice any issues with GMK Voyage, which uses OG Icons, and no issues have been raised as far as I'm aware. Maybe since Hiragana also had some issues that the problem is specific to BoW and WoB? But I don't work at GMK so I don't know what's going on.
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Post by: kekstee on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:11:01
Yeah, could someone please smack them and make them focus on their core quality instead of ****ing novelty legends for a marketing picture?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT REGARDING ISSUES POSTED - -
Post by: machine yearning on Thu, 09 April 2020, 15:44:00
LOL this community will screech about anything.

Half or more of my GMK sets have these sorts of legend inconsistencies.

Cool your jets nerds. They're still the best doubleshot keycaps around.
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Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 09 April 2020, 15:53:58
LOL this community will screech about anything.

Half or more of my GMK sets have these sorts of legend inconsistencies.

Cool your jets nerds. They're still the best doubleshot keycaps around.

Photographs please.
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Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 09 April 2020, 16:03:42
LOL this community will screech about anything.

Half or more of my GMK sets have these sorts of legend inconsistencies.

Cool your jets nerds. They're still the best doubleshot keycaps around.

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Post by: nasp on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:19:10
LOL this community will screech about anything.

Half or more of my GMK sets have these sorts of legend inconsistencies.

Cool your jets nerds. They're still the best doubleshot keycaps around.

3 posts


3 posts but his account was created on July 07, 2018, so I don't think it's someone specifically trying to criticize under the safety of anonymity.
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Post by: scoopbb on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:48:17
LOL this community will screech about anything.

Half or more of my GMK sets have these sorts of legend inconsistencies.

Cool your jets nerds. They're still the best doubleshot keycaps around.

this would be a non starter if the prices reflected the quality. you pay premium prices because you expect premium items. if this is whats to be expected then i think plenty of people will start thinking twice about paying big money for subpar quality pieces of plastic.
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Post by: dorf on Fri, 10 April 2020, 02:58:11

I've done a comparison between keys in this GB and keys from the Zenna GB a couple of years ago.
For the enter key you can see the black bleeding over on to the white.
I don't see that much of a difference on shifts, maybe my set is one of the good?
And for the escape there is a slight difference on the s but nothing I would react over.

With that said, I do hope that GMK improves their quality rather than stating it's within specification.

Enter
(https://i.imgur.com/etHpxFf.jpg?1)

Shifts
(https://i.imgur.com/f69gf2F.jpg?1)

Esc
(https://i.imgur.com/M9frpnF.jpg?1)
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Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 10 April 2020, 09:13:05
The shifts are definitely ****ed too - the bottom side lines are all messed up, seems to be far more prevalent on the shorter keys rather than the longer ones on your particular set though.
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Post by: jimboytacos on Fri, 10 April 2020, 23:38:23
I'm totally avoiding any and all gmk group buys utilizing ICON MODIFIERS until this is fixed. Hopefully this comes to light for those designers considering icon mods. Avoid.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT REGARDING ISSUES POSTED - -
Post by: honoka on Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:31:29
pm me if you want to get rid of your kit
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Post by: necromanx on Fri, 17 April 2020, 02:59:52
Hi everyone.

I come with some good news from GMK.  After further reviewing the issues they have now decided to remanufacture the following keycaps and ship them to all vendors as replacements:

1.25u Shift (BoW & WoB)
1.75u Shift (BoW & WoB)
2.25u Return (BoW & WoB)

That is a total of six keycaps.

Furthermore the following is a response from GMK's CEO on the matter.

Quote
Although the quality of these key caps is acceptable considering regular industrial applications & conditions (according to a very strict Cherry guidelines manual that we keep) we understand that for the hobbyist community the quality observed may not have been enough.
Through this, we would like to reinforce our special care regarding the hobbyist enthusiasts. However we would like to take this opportunity to clarify that the double shot injection molding procedures and current technologies available in the market cannot possibly yield 100% flawless, replicable and exact results for every keycap.
While we take great care of our molds and are constantly implementing process of inspections and replacements as they wear, technical variables such as temperature and pressure of our machines between runs can be controlled only to a certain extent and slightly differ between the production runs
As a result, if examined under microscope and macro lens, it is sometimes possible to observe imperfections and variations that sometimes can't be entirely extinguished. This is because our key caps are meant to be used and observed at a viewing distance of about 45 cm, which translates to normal usage conditions. This time around we understand that the variations on a couple legends didn't meet pleasing characteristics to the naked eye at close.
We are constantly researching and looking for new methods and technologies to be implemented in our facilities, as the hobbyist community is a great part of our operation. The passion and support is very much appreciated.

Thank you for your understanding.
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Post by: Emir on Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:01:56
 :thumb:
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Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:26:17
Excellent news on the replacements.

However, I do think Christoph's response makes sense that the hobbyist enthusiast standard is much higher and it may come off as excessive perfectionism. Good thing that they have decided in favor of supporting the enthusiast community, and even if late, have been responsive to the issues we are seeing in recent sets.
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Post by: Audiobs on Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:47:07
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: jani80k on Fri, 17 April 2020, 07:28:05
The statement is bull****. I have so many Cherry OG keycaps (ABS doubleshots) from the 80s and 90s. All are flawless. At least they're waking up.
I wouldn't let them off the hook that easily. Seeing is believing.
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Post by: bliss on Fri, 17 April 2020, 08:23:08
The statement is bull****. I have so many Cherry OG keycaps (ABS doubleshots) from the 80s and 90s. All are flawless. At least they're waking up.
I wouldn't let them off the hook that easily. Seeing is believing.
Well put, my thoughts exactly: Production has been working fine for many years, and, let's face it, the technology is not rocket science. It seems the difficulty is to translate the superior quality into the present. And as always, the devil is in the details.

I have two GMK sets in the pipeline, one with icon mods (should come any day now) and the other with text mods (summer). Let's see how they turn out :thumb:
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Post by: jani80k on Fri, 17 April 2020, 08:51:59
let's face it, the technology is not rocket science.
Exactly. We have such insane high tech companies in Germany who produce high tech precision stuff. And GMK is telling me, it is difficult to get a line straight on a keycap.
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Post by: flatwhitemyth on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:25:17
Hi everyone.

I come with some good news from GMK.  After further reviewing the issues they have now decided to remanufacture the following keycaps and ship them to all vendors as replacements:

1.25u Shift (BoW & WoB)
1.75u Shift (BoW & WoB)
2.25u Return (BoW & WoB)

That is a total of six keycaps.

Has GMK indicated if they are simply re-manufacturing them, or if they will be fixing or remaking the tools for these keys? If they are not remaking the tooling, I would not consider this a slam-dunk fix.

I did a further inspection of the icon enters I have, and have noticed that this legending issue must have been creeping up over the years until it finally has been noticed. Below are (left to right): Hyperfuse Redux (2017), Modern Dolch (2018), WoB/BoW (2020). Redux legending is very straight and uniform thickness. Modern Dolch is a little wavy, and thickness is mildly tapering after the right-angle. WoB/BoW has that lump and more extreme thickness tapering.

[attach=1]

Anecdotally I asked some other members how their icon enters turned out on other recent GMK sets, and they show similar issues (although maybe not as extreme as with this kit). I don't have more icon-based GMK to compare with, so I don't have more data points to form a more solid case of evidence, but this would generally indicate to me that they have been using the same tool, but it has been wearing out. The solution of re-making using the same tooling will not fix this issue; it seems only necessary to invest in new tooling to breathe new life into these icon mods.

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Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:34:28
This case appears to be the tipping point to start looking for alternative sources for Cherry style keycaps. When the company making the legendary double-shot caps -so key for our hobby - fails to produce the quality that is well known since Cherry times. GMK's CEO states that the enthusiast's market is overly picky. Reluctantly, he offers to replace sub-par quality keycaps; it is time to move on and stop paying premium prices for sub-par quality keycaps.
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Post by: jani80k on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:40:51
This case appears to be the tipping point to start looking for alternative sources for Cherry style keycaps. When the company making the legendary double-shot caps -so key for our hobby - fails to produce the quality that is well known since Cherry times. GMK's CEO states that the enthusiast's market is overly picky. Reluctantly, he offers to replace sub-par quality keycaps; it is time to move on and stop paying premium prices for sub-par quality keycaps.

We're dealing with a case of a monopoly in a shortage economy. They can make fun of their customers ("microscope"), yet customers will still buy their product because they have no competition and the used prices for their stuff are higher than the retail prices.

I think their statement would look "a bit different" if they had 3-4 competitors who could supply the same product but with straight lines on enter keys.
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Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:48:53
This case appears to be the tipping point to start looking for alternative sources for Cherry style keycaps. When the company making the legendary double-shot caps -so key for our hobby - fails to produce the quality that is well known since Cherry times. GMK's CEO states that the enthusiast's market is overly picky. Reluctantly, he offers to replace sub-par quality keycaps; it is time to move on and stop paying premium prices for sub-par quality keycaps.

We're dealing with a case of a monopoly in a shortage economy. They can make fun of their customers ("microscope"), yet customers will still buy their product because they have no competition and the used prices for their stuff are higher than the retail prices.

I think their statement would look "a bit different" if they had 3-4 competitors who could supply the same product but with straight lines on enter keys.


JTK and the new DS-ePBT offering may have their chance to get a good share of this limited market. Yet, you have a point on GMK being a monopoly that has the luxury to behave like a villain and us, his minions, will cheer and keep buying his low-quality stuff.
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Post by: jani80k on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:50:31
I don't think JTK and ePBT ABS can compete. Sadly. At least this is the general consensus amongst the "deep end" of this hobby.
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Post by: directheatedtriode on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:40:37
I have so many Cherry OG keycaps (ABS doubleshots) from the 80s and 90s. All are flawless. At least they're waking up.

Same here. But I wouldn't even say it's just OG Cherry, GMK has made terrific keycaps even as recent as a year and a half ago with none of the issues seen here or in Oblivion V2. I really do hope future GB creators/vendors will be proactive if these issues continue to come up with GMK sets so they get the message they might want to look into their tooling/molds.
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Post by: bliss on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:44:16
but this would generally indicate to me that they have been using the same tool, but it has been wearing out. The solution of re-making using the same tooling will not fix this issue; it seems only necessary to invest in new tooling to breathe new life into these icon mods.

Yes, my guess is the old machines and tools are wearing out and are hard to replace.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: jani80k on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:48:47
It's not hard to make new molds. There is just a cost attached to it.
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Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 April 2020, 13:08:45
I don't think JTK and ePBT ABS can compete. Sadly. At least this is the general consensus amongst the "deep end" of this hobby.


At least their products are cheaper.
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Post by: jrfhoutx on Fri, 17 April 2020, 13:22:19
it is time to move on and stop paying premium prices for sub-par quality keycaps.

OK, bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Hope to see you stick by your convictions and not be involved in any more GMK buys.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 April 2020, 14:57:16
it is time to move on and stop paying premium prices for sub-par quality keycaps.

OK, bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Hope to see you stick by your convictions and not be involved in any more GMK buys.







This MK hobby, as other few, suffers from the short supply for some high demand items. That makes this niche market to behave extremely in favor of manufacturers. Prices are driven by the producers. We are let with the simple decision of buying at a given price and quality, or not buying at all. Your wallet, your decision.


You may feel comfortable with behavior like GMK's. I feel profoundly disappointed with their answer to people that are willing to pay its asking price, hoping for what I consider the best quality keycaps. There is no excuse for that.


In the other hand I have joined very few GMK's GB, so far. But, I am cheap and I prefer to keep my MK collection small. Yet, I already have in stock far more components that I may use in a lifetime. So, not buying from GMK may not be an option for others, as it is for me. But again, keep buying under any circumstances just fuels the market asymmetry and encourages bully producers to be the same.
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Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:43:01
Look on the bright side.  Assuming GMK's legendary quality returns, and keycap collecting is similar to coin collecting, there will be some wealthy hobbyists a few decades from now.
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Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 April 2020, 21:02:21
Look on the bright side.  Assuming GMK's legendary quality returns, and keycap collecting is similar to coin collecting, there will be some wealthy hobbyists a few decades from now.


Well. I'd say that OG Cherry would be that collector's item in case GMK continues dropping its quality standards. However, the value may depend not just on quality, but also on rarity and condition. I get my MK items to use them, so they would not be in collector's state, as I am a user, not a keeper.
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Post by: Pylon on Fri, 17 April 2020, 22:46:06
I have so many Cherry OG keycaps (ABS doubleshots) from the 80s and 90s. All are flawless. At least they're waking up.

Same here. But I wouldn't even say it's just OG Cherry, GMK has made terrific keycaps even as recent as a year and a half ago with none of the issues seen here or in Oblivion V2. I really do hope future GB creators/vendors will be proactive if these issues continue to come up with GMK sets so they get the message they might want to look into their tooling/molds.

JTK is remaking their molds this year, so hopefully they'll fix their legends issue. The new ePBT ABS caps' legends aren't quite there, but they're also much cheap than GMK  ($70 for a full set and no waiting for a GB)
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Post by: Emir on Sat, 18 April 2020, 05:05:22
Well here's the kicker - I got 3 handarbeits and they are flawless, manufactured and shipped close to simultaneously as this kit that's horrible. I don't know...
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Post by: Yeoh on Sat, 18 April 2020, 15:33:56
I have so many Cherry OG keycaps (ABS doubleshots) from the 80s and 90s. All are flawless. At least they're waking up.

Same here. But I wouldn't even say it's just OG Cherry, GMK has made terrific keycaps even as recent as a year and a half ago with none of the issues seen here or in Oblivion V2. I really do hope future GB creators/vendors will be proactive if these issues continue to come up with GMK sets so they get the message they might want to look into their tooling/molds.

JTK is remaking their molds this year, so hopefully they'll fix their legends issue. The new ePBT ABS caps' legends aren't quite there, but they're also much cheap than GMK  ($70 for a full set and no waiting for a GB)

JTK has had several rounds of 'improvements' that havent done a whole lot, so dont hold your breath for that.
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Post by: bliss on Sun, 19 April 2020, 04:07:04
Well here's the kicker - I got 3 handarbeits and they are flawless, manufactured and shipped close to simultaneously as this kit that's horrible. I don't know...

(https://i.imgur.com/dSq2WIJ.jpg)
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Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 19 April 2020, 05:23:42
Dope news! more shift keys :-* Thanks Emir and Necro :thumb:
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Post by: LevelSteam on Sun, 19 April 2020, 08:45:23
People keep bringing up JTK but honestly their products are just....not good in my opinion. I have a couple sets from them and the feel is meh, legend consistency is as bad as GMK is currently, and the plastic seems overly brittle compared to GMK ABS. My JTK violet on cream set had a couple caps whose stems cracked just putting them on a plain ole Pok3r, and after building most of my 16 board collection I'd like to think I know how to put on a keycap properly without damaging it.

I also love GMK caps myself and have quite a few of their sets as well, but in my mind the simplest solution to this problem is to stop running 10 GMK sets a day until this gets sorted out. We aren't exactly hurting for alternative profiles and manufacturers, the community just happens to be hooked on GMK at the moment. If everyone just keeps forking over money to a company whose tooling literally can't produce a straight line then we can expect this to keep happening though.
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Post by: bigapplepietart on Tue, 21 April 2020, 17:32:55
Glad to see there's some resolution.
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Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 10 June 2020, 00:17:03
Has there been any word on when the replacement caps will ship?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 10 June 2020, 01:37:49
Has there been any word on when the replacement caps will ship?

Nope, I'm pushing though! When they communicated that the caps will be replaced, no ETA was given.

I can't see how GMK would prioritize this when they got a lot of other sets that already are delayed from their set production slots/shipping dates.

In a perfect world, mishaps of already sent sets should've been resolved before new ones, but not much we can do but wait. Let's wait for communication and hope it's soon! :)
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Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 10 June 2020, 10:49:30
Has there been any word on when the replacement caps will ship?

Nope, I'm pushing though! When they communicated that the caps will be replaced, no ETA was given.

I can't see how GMK would prioritize this when they got a lot of other sets that already are delayed from their set production slots/shipping dates.

In a perfect world, mishaps of already sent sets should've been resolved before new ones, but not much we can do but wait. Let's wait for communication and hope it's soon! :)
Thanks for the info, man. Iíll keep my eyes peeled.
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Post by: steezkeez on Mon, 22 June 2020, 12:40:48
Do we need to take any additional actions to request the replacement caps (ex. email vendor)? Or will the replacement caps be automatically shipped to all who participated in the GB?
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Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 22 June 2020, 13:28:43
Still listening here as well.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: Emir on Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:33:32
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/723534159498313768/image0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:44:37
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/723534159498313768/image0.jpg)


Oh hell yeah.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: Emir on Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:46:04
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/723534159498313768/image0.jpg)


Oh hell yeah.

we made it. this wouldn't have been possibly without everyone doing their part and posting pics.
i'm proud bois! thank you everyone!
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Post by: juaninamilli on Tue, 23 June 2020, 20:36:24
That looks way better! Thanks for making it happen everyone!
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Post by: D3LTA on Tue, 23 June 2020, 20:59:08
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
I've sent an email to cannon keys (US vendor) asking for next steps. I will post their feedback here once received.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: upas on Wed, 24 June 2020, 12:08:17
Hey guys,

I just heard about replacement shipping from GMK.
They shipped them along with GMK Cafe,

They didn't ask me if I'd like to pay for air express shipping... they just shipped with Cafe, so they will likely not arrive until late July.

There is no need to write into support - I am under the impression that they sent a replacement for every single kit that went out, so I will ship those out as well.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: kabocha on Thu, 25 June 2020, 10:36:48
Thanks upas!
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Post by: jimboytacos on Sat, 27 June 2020, 02:04:39
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/723534159498313768/image0.jpg)


I sent an email directly to kbdfans regarding these fix replacement keycaps... and their response was that they are out of stock.

Uh, what?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: pockydavid on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:41:55
Has anyone received the replacement set from their respective vendors yet?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: Paddel06 on Wed, 22 July 2020, 21:57:36
Has anyone received the replacement set from their respective vendors yet?
Yes, from mykeyboard a while ago.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: Zurg Eon on Thu, 23 July 2020, 05:32:21
Has anyone received the replacement set from their respective vendors yet?
Yes, from mykeyboard a while ago.
I have not received anything from mykeyboard yet.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: Paddel06 on Thu, 23 July 2020, 05:45:36
I have not received anything from mykeyboard yet.

I contacted them on their Discord Server on June 23rd and was asked to provide an order number. The package arrived a few days later.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: Emir on Thu, 23 July 2020, 10:07:13
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/723534159498313768/image0.jpg)


I sent an email directly to kbdfans regarding these fix replacement keycaps... and their response was that they are out of stock.

Uh, what?

Sorry I didn't see this message. Was it resolved?

If not, please let me know (PM is OK or thread if you want to share with everyone) and I'll speak to Wei. Maybe he didn't understand he would be getting replacement keys.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: Zurg Eon on Thu, 23 July 2020, 18:05:12
I have not received anything from mykeyboard yet.

I contacted them on their Discord Server on June 23rd and was asked to provide an order number. The package arrived a few days later.
Thanks, I contacted them and they will send me the keys  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: pockydavid on Wed, 29 July 2020, 18:50:22
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/723534159498313768/image0.jpg)


I sent an email directly to kbdfans regarding these fix replacement keycaps... and their response was that they are out of stock.

Uh, what?

Sorry I didn't see this message. Was it resolved?

If not, please let me know (PM is OK or thread if you want to share with everyone) and I'll speak to Wei. Maybe he didn't understand he would be getting replacement keys.

I think there was a case of misunderstanding as well when I tried contacting KBDFans regarding the replacement set. I can forward you the email trail if necessary.
Thanks for looking into this.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: crzone on Thu, 30 July 2020, 06:57:45
Yes, from mykeyboard a while ago.
Was this as a regular letter? So far I didn't receive them.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - STATEMENT FROM GMK POSTED - -
Post by: Emir on Thu, 30 July 2020, 06:59:48
GMK Has shipped replacements, please contact your vendor for information on how they will proceed
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608291216345268245/723534159498313768/image0.jpg)


I sent an email directly to kbdfans regarding these fix replacement keycaps... and their response was that they are out of stock.

Uh, what?

Sorry I didn't see this message. Was it resolved?

If not, please let me know (PM is OK or thread if you want to share with everyone) and I'll speak to Wei. Maybe he didn't understand he would be getting replacement keys.

I think there was a case of misunderstanding as well when I tried contacting KBDFans regarding the replacement set. I can forward you the email trail if necessary.
Thanks for looking into this.

DM me order number and the conversation please and I will forward it directly to wei for resolution.

Sorry this happened!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: Emir on Fri, 31 July 2020, 02:01:10
Alright I spoke to kbdfans and they explained the situation. The reason they didn't ship replacement keys is because they don't want to offer EPacket as a shipping choice. They said EPacket may take up to 3 months and is likely to get lost in shipment, therefore they were waiting for EPacket to get stable or for the customers to order something else.


KBDFans have now made a google doc where you got two options as a customer waiting for replacement keys:
1. Have it sent with your next kbdfans order
2. Pay the shipping difference to upgrade to Fedex/DHL and have it sent to you immediately

Document:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1a5ndkKbOffVayYe8OhQUxLJg3r8VtG7CmkQtcFSA9Y0/viewform?hl=zh-cn&edit_requested=true

Sorry for the confusion guys I should've followed this up directly. Thank you for bringing it up so I could get it some attention.

Have a great day people! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 04 August 2020, 04:13:42
Is there any info on this from Cannonkeys? I'll probably have to give Upas a ping
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: juaninamilli on Tue, 04 August 2020, 13:59:51
Is there any info on this from Cannonkeys? I'll probably have to give Upas a ping
Just this from 6/24
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101664.msg2924118#msg2924118
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 04 August 2020, 14:00:47
Is there any info on this from Cannonkeys? I'll probably have to give Upas a ping
Just this from 6/24
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101664.msg2924118#msg2924118

Oh cool, GMK Cafe is just getting to people in the US, so that's good news.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: jimboytacos on Tue, 04 August 2020, 18:35:34
Alright I spoke to kbdfans and they explained the situation. The reason they didn't ship replacement keys is because they don't want to offer EPacket as a shipping choice. They said EPacket may take up to 3 months and is likely to get lost in shipment, therefore they were waiting for EPacket to get stable or for the customers to order something else.


KBDFans have now made a google doc where you got two options as a customer waiting for replacement keys:
1. Have it sent with your next kbdfans order
2. Pay the shipping difference to upgrade to Fedex/DHL and have it sent to you immediately

Document:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1a5ndkKbOffVayYe8OhQUxLJg3r8VtG7CmkQtcFSA9Y0/viewform?hl=zh-cn&edit_requested=true

Sorry for the confusion guys I should've followed this up directly. Thank you for bringing it up so I could get it some attention.

Have a great day people! :)

Bummer. But...
Isn't this the risks/responsibilities/possible repercussion of being a vendor for GBs?

So that means they're holding our fixed keys hostage unless we pay them (however you look at it).

I'm sure Credit Cards/Paypal won't like the sound of that.... Sounds like this can turn into legal thing....
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: kabocha on Sun, 16 August 2020, 09:54:29
Has anyone received the replacement kit from cannonkeys?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: tobiasvl on Sun, 16 August 2020, 13:53:32
Oh, that's a bummer about KBDFans. But I guess I just have to buy that e-white Tofu case I've been eyeing for a while then...
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: Emir on Mon, 17 August 2020, 04:55:12
Alright I spoke to kbdfans and they explained the situation. The reason they didn't ship replacement keys is because they don't want to offer EPacket as a shipping choice. They said EPacket may take up to 3 months and is likely to get lost in shipment, therefore they were waiting for EPacket to get stable or for the customers to order something else.


KBDFans have now made a google doc where you got two options as a customer waiting for replacement keys:
1. Have it sent with your next kbdfans order
2. Pay the shipping difference to upgrade to Fedex/DHL and have it sent to you immediately

Document:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1a5ndkKbOffVayYe8OhQUxLJg3r8VtG7CmkQtcFSA9Y0/viewform?hl=zh-cn&edit_requested=true

Sorry for the confusion guys I should've followed this up directly. Thank you for bringing it up so I could get it some attention.

Have a great day people! :)

Bummer. But...
Isn't this the risks/responsibilities/possible repercussion of being a vendor for GBs?

So that means they're holding our fixed keys hostage unless we pay them (however you look at it).

I'm sure Credit Cards/Paypal won't like the sound of that.... Sounds like this can turn into legal thing....

Hm? I am not going to reply on KBDfans behalf, but these are keys that are not part of the group buy that you paid for. They are the result of us being relentless in getting replacements made for keys GMK themselves deemed within their specification.

This is a free bonus, and KBDfans will get them out. These are sensitive times, and instead of sending them out blindly with a carrier they don't trust will deliver it to you, they give you an option of waiting for EPacket to stabilize, or two more options where a customer that does not want to wait can acquire them. It's not holding keys hostage, keys you are getting for free. It would be like if I joined a GB with expected shipping date X month, and as soon as it isn't delivered within the timeframe I claim they are holding my product hostage?

Sorry, that's just the way I see it.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: Emir on Wed, 26 August 2020, 01:32:55
Something seems to have been lost in translation or miscommunication within their team, as KBDFans has been sending out whole kits and not the replacements to a couple of customers.

If this has happened to you, I am sorry and I am trying to work with kbdfans to clear up any confusion there might be of what needs to be sent out.

You can send me your order number in private if you got sent a whole new kit and not the replacements and I will forward it directly. Sorry again!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - REPLACEMENTS FROM GMK - -
Post by: fatalruin on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:14:43
Hey guys,

I just heard about replacement shipping from GMK.
They shipped them along with GMK Cafe,

They didn't ask me if I'd like to pay for air express shipping... they just shipped with Cafe, so they will likely not arrive until late July.

There is no need to write into support - I am under the impression that they sent a replacement for every single kit that went out, so I will ship those out as well.

Hey Upas. Any updates on the replacements? Did they in fact arrive with Cafe?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 17 September 2020, 10:38:27
Hey guys,

I just heard about replacement shipping from GMK.
They shipped them along with GMK Cafe,

They didn't ask me if I'd like to pay for air express shipping... they just shipped with Cafe, so they will likely not arrive until late July.

There is no need to write into support - I am under the impression that they sent a replacement for every single kit that went out, so I will ship those out as well.

Hey Upas. Any updates on the replacements? Did they in fact arrive with Cafe?
Iíd like to know this as well
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 September 2020, 12:56:33
Hey guys,

I just heard about replacement shipping from GMK.
They shipped them along with GMK Cafe,

They didn't ask me if I'd like to pay for air express shipping... they just shipped with Cafe, so they will likely not arrive until late July.

There is no need to write into support - I am under the impression that they sent a replacement for every single kit that went out, so I will ship those out as well.

Hey Upas. Any updates on the replacements? Did they in fact arrive with Cafe?
Iíd like to know this as well
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200917/ed194f0918eb560d2f95a10a1c40e50c.jpg)
This is an answer I got from their discord server.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 17 September 2020, 13:53:32
Thanks for the update
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: king95 on Thu, 17 September 2020, 14:11:38
Nice one! hope to get this some time in the future!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: pcire on Thu, 17 September 2020, 14:24:07
Something seems to have been lost in translation or miscommunication within their team, as KBDFans has been sending out whole kits and not the replacements to a couple of customers.

If this has happened to you, I am sorry and I am trying to work with kbdfans to clear up any confusion there might be of what needs to be sent out.

You can send me your order number in private if you got sent a whole new kit and not the replacements and I will forward it directly. Sorry again!

I filled out the form as soon as you posted it. I just got a delivery from KBDFans and it didn't have the replacements.  I'll DM you
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: Poblopuablo on Fri, 18 September 2020, 10:32:24
Got an email from cannon keys today:

http://imgur.com/a/aiNuDM1


I'm having a hard time getting the link to the form, since when I copy it, it links to the form that I filled out(and I don't what y'all to edit my form ;) ) not to a new form, please check you email if you ordered from cannon keys.
Below is content of the email:





As you may know, a few of the keys that shipped with the original WoB/BoW Icon mod kit were not up to GMK's quality standards. After a lot of discussion between our EU vendor and GMK, GMK has decided to send out replacement kits with those few keys.

The replacements arrived here in early August, but we've been quite busy shipping out other GBs and moving. Our apologies! We would have preferred to take care of this earlier, but this was unplanned and unscheduled work for us.

All that being said - we are excited to get these replacements out to you! But we do need some help from you. It's been quite a while since the original GB shipped, and we understand that many people have moved, especially given the ongoing pandemic.

To that note, we are requiring everyone to claim their replacement by filling in this form. We wish we could have implemented a more automated solution, but unfortunately, that would take even more time, and we want to get these replacements out to you sooner, rather than later!

Unfortunately, GMK is not refunding CannonKeys for the shipping cost of these items. But we don't believe you should have to pay for a GMK mistake, and still want to provide a great customer experience to you all. To that note - by default, we will cover the cost of shipping out replacements, but if you'd like to help out, please indicate as such on the form.

To get these out in a timely manner, we will be shipping in two waves - one wave will go out on Monday September 28th, and will include any claims submitted by the end of Saturday, September 19th. The next wave will go out on Monday October 5th, and will include any new claims submitted by the end of Saturday, October 3rd. You have 2 weeks to fill in the form and submit your claim!

Thanks,
The CannonKeys Team

TL;DR:

Replacement Keys are here for WoB/BoW Icon Mods
 
CannonKeys is covering the cost of shipping, unless you opt-in to pay the cost of shipping.
 
GMK is not refunding us for the cost of shipping.
 
Submit your claim here by Saturday October 3rd: CLAIM FORM
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: Emir on Sat, 19 September 2020, 03:41:50
So I unblocked upas and DMd him after some complaints in my discord, got no reply - but at least it seems like he read it and decided to Email everyone, cool!  :thumb:

BTW:
Quote
CannonKeys is covering the cost of shipping, unless you opt-in to pay the cost of shipping.
 
GMK is not refunding us for the cost of shipping.

This is on cannonkeys, GMK has refunded vendors for shipping costs (retroactively) after GMK made mistakes.
If he is as bad as communicating with gmk as he is in past gbs, where he collected money and then left people hanging, then it doesn't surprise me that he didn't manage to get refunds for shipping costs.

I personally wouldn't reward him omitting shipping this out for close to two months and paying shippingfees in his place as a result of his incompetence, but this is up to everyone to decide for themselves. Hope it gets out to everyone waiting soon!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: upas on Sat, 19 September 2020, 10:11:07
So I unblocked upas and DMd him after some complaints in my discord, got no reply - but at least it seems like he read it and decided to Email everyone, cool!  :thumb:

BTW:
Quote
CannonKeys is covering the cost of shipping, unless you opt-in to pay the cost of shipping.
 
GMK is not refunding us for the cost of shipping.

This is on cannonkeys, GMK has refunded vendors for shipping costs (retroactively) after GMK made mistakes.
If he is as bad as communicating with gmk as he is in past gbs, where he collected money and then left people hanging, then it doesn't surprise me that he didn't manage to get refunds for shipping costs.

I personally wouldn't reward him omitting shipping this out for close to two months and paying shippingfees in his place as a result of his incompetence, but this is up to everyone to decide for themselves. Hope it gets out to everyone waiting soon!

We do feel bad that it took this long to get the replacements out - but please understand, this was an unexpected occurrence. To give you some insight, we are careful with the group buys we run and try to ensure that group buy items do not all arrive at the same time. We did not plan for the capacity to ship this out when scheduling group buys, as no one knew this would be necessary. COVID also threw a wrench in our timelines, so we got to a point where we had a lot of projects lined up to go out all at once. Those using the original GMK WoB/BoW caps could still fill out their boards, so we made the choice to prioritize the GBs that had already been subject to many delays and hadn't shipped at all yet.

We are also sitting on existing restocks of items. From a business perspective, this is far from ideal. We'd love to sell those ASAP and recoup the money we spent to buy the stock. But again, we made the choice to prioritize existing obligations, such as replacement WoB/BoW keycaps.

The email about replacements that we sent was written and scheduled earlier this week, prior to Emir's DMs to me - I want to make it clear that he had nothing to do with the email going out. This was based on our current schedule taking into account our office move, and current capacity.

While Emir did DM me, I chose not to respond. Despite constantly accusing others of not communicating well, Emir's communication has been anything but professional. My perspective is that our responsibility at this point is to our customers. Emir was paid in full shortly after the GB ended, before the kits shipped, so we have taken care of our obligation to him. In the past Emir has told me verbatim, "You can **** off now," and has had a generally negative disposition. Responding to him is not something I believed was necessary or productive given past interactions I've had with him.

I don't know what Emir is talking about when he says we've collected money and then left people hanging. Every GB we've run thus far has been successful, and to my knowledge we've taken care of everyone who has had issues. We answer any support tickets sent to support@cannonkeys.com within a few business days, and are also responsive on our public discord (our mods also help provide information in that channel). If anyone feels like we have left people hanging, please let me know with specifics, I'd be glad to discuss that and make improvements.

As to communications with GMK - we have talked to GMK about this extensively. As shown above in the thread, KBDFans is charging shipping fees, and that's because GMK will not refund us. From their point of view, they are replacing these keycaps out of good will, not because they necessarily believe they did not meet their own internal quality bar. And as such, they are not refunding the shipping fees.

We are not requiring anyone to pay shipping. If, out of the kindness of your heart, you would like to help out with them, we greatly appreciate that!

And we are always open to feedback! If anyone has ever had a bad experience with us or suggestions for improvement, please let use know via support@cannonkeys.com or in our discord (http://discord.gg/gAy6sqp)!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: fatalruin on Sat, 19 September 2020, 11:58:44
So I unblocked upas and DMd him after some complaints in my discord, got no reply - but at least it seems like he read it and decided to Email everyone, cool!  :thumb:

BTW:
Quote
CannonKeys is covering the cost of shipping, unless you opt-in to pay the cost of shipping.
 
GMK is not refunding us for the cost of shipping.

This is on cannonkeys, GMK has refunded vendors for shipping costs (retroactively) after GMK made mistakes.
If he is as bad as communicating with gmk as he is in past gbs, where he collected money and then left people hanging, then it doesn't surprise me that he didn't manage to get refunds for shipping costs.

I personally wouldn't reward him omitting shipping this out for close to two months and paying shippingfees in his place as a result of his incompetence, but this is up to everyone to decide for themselves. Hope it gets out to everyone waiting soon!

We do feel bad that it took this long to get the replacements out - but please understand, this was an unexpected occurrence. To give you some insight, we are careful with the group buys we run and try to ensure that group buy items do not all arrive at the same time. We did not plan for the capacity to ship this out when scheduling group buys, as no one knew this would be necessary. COVID also threw a wrench in our timelines, so we got to a point where we had a lot of projects lined up to go out all at once. Those using the original GMK WoB/BoW caps could still fill out their boards, so we made the choice to prioritize the GBs that had already been subject to many delays and hadn't shipped at all yet.

We are also sitting on existing restocks of items. From a business perspective, this is far from ideal. We'd love to sell those ASAP and recoup the money we spent to buy the stock. But again, we made the choice to prioritize existing obligations, such as replacement WoB/BoW keycaps.

The email about replacements that we sent was written and scheduled earlier this week, prior to Emir's DMs to me - I want to make it clear that he had nothing to do with the email going out. This was based on our current schedule taking into account our office move, and current capacity.

While Emir did DM me, I chose not to respond. Despite constantly accusing others of not communicating well, Emir's communication has been anything but professional. My perspective is that our responsibility at this point is to our customers. Emir was paid in full shortly after the GB ended, before the kits shipped, so we have taken care of our obligation to him. In the past Emir has told me verbatim, "You can **** off now," and has had a generally negative disposition. Responding to him is not something I believed was necessary or productive given past interactions I've had with him.

I don't know what Emir is talking about when he says we've collected money and then left people hanging. Every GB we've run thus far has been successful, and to my knowledge we've taken care of everyone who has had issues. We answer any support tickets sent to support@cannonkeys.com within a few business days, and are also responsive on our public discord (our mods also help provide information in that channel). If anyone feels like we have left people hanging, please let me know with specifics, I'd be glad to discuss that and make improvements.

As to communications with GMK - we have talked to GMK about this extensively. As shown above in the thread, KBDFans is charging shipping fees, and that's because GMK will not refund us. From their point of view, they are replacing these keycaps out of good will, not because they necessarily believe they did not meet their own internal quality bar. And as such, they are not refunding the shipping fees.

We are not requiring anyone to pay shipping. If, out of the kindness of your heart, you would like to help out with them, we greatly appreciate that!

And we are always open to feedback! If anyone has ever had a bad experience with us or suggestions for improvement, please let use know via support@cannonkeys.com or in our discord (http://discord.gg/gAy6sqp)!

I will take your word that the replacements were on deck, and I have no problem paying for shipping. I also appreciate the uncertainty and logistics of owning and operating a business. The only issue that I had was in terms of readily available information. The last update I could find on any platform was on this thread which basically said they will be arriving in late July and will be shipped out to the customers on record, no support ticket needed. Not knowing what you have going on in terms of order fulfillment, it seemed that enough time had past without receiving the replacements to start poking around a bit. After a post in this thread, a dm here, a post on your discord server, and a personal dm there, I had no answer from you or your company.

I did turn to Emir to inquire as I had no other options. I don't know either of you at all personally and have no footing for a judgement of character, but from what I've read, I know Emir cares about his customers and the consumer in general, and I have had no issues with Cannon Keys otherwise. Beyond that, I can't interject on the fallout between you two.

I think this could have been avoided altogether if this kit had a spot on your keyset update channel in discord which is extremely helpful (in fact I don't remember it having it's own channel like all the other keysets, but I could be mistaken or it ran before you started them). I think the update channel(s)/update page on the site is the way to go (as you have already surmised and implemented) as discord is a nightmare to really find the info you need (while dodging the childrens' meme cannons), email newsletters aren't always kept after reading, and info could be spread across multiple message boards. My only criticism for the consolidated updates I whether it contains the latest info. For example, KAT Eternal's last update was from 8/27 referencing the spacebar issue, yet on Minterly's discord, there was a 9/11 update that Keyreative missed making some caps in a few kits and had to replace those alongside the spacebars. Now, I don't know if she if privy to info that Cannon Keys is not (or before other parties, or if it's her obligation to tell vendors -- I have no idea how this works) so I'm not slinging accusations, but it would be nice to go to once source for those updates.

Ultimately, I'm glad that these are shipping out soon, and that you guys are generously taking the hit on shipping for those that don't feel inclined to pay, I just wish I knew what was going on from the get go and could rely on getting answers from any of the channels that I employed. The only head scratcher I'm left with is why do people only have 2 weeks to "claim" the replacements that they are owed?
Title: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: juaninamilli on Sat, 19 September 2020, 20:39:05
So I unblocked upas and DMd him after some complaints in my discord, got no reply - but at least it seems like he read it and decided to Email everyone, cool!  :thumb:

BTW:
Quote
CannonKeys is covering the cost of shipping, unless you opt-in to pay the cost of shipping.
 
GMK is not refunding us for the cost of shipping.

This is on cannonkeys, GMK has refunded vendors for shipping costs (retroactively) after GMK made mistakes.
If he is as bad as communicating with gmk as he is in past gbs, where he collected money and then left people hanging, then it doesn't surprise me that he didn't manage to get refunds for shipping costs.

I personally wouldn't reward him omitting shipping this out for close to two months and paying shippingfees in his place as a result of his incompetence, but this is up to everyone to decide for themselves. Hope it gets out to everyone waiting soon!

We do feel bad that it took this long to get the replacements out - but please understand, this was an unexpected occurrence. To give you some insight, we are careful with the group buys we run and try to ensure that group buy items do not all arrive at the same time. We did not plan for the capacity to ship this out when scheduling group buys, as no one knew this would be necessary. COVID also threw a wrench in our timelines, so we got to a point where we had a lot of projects lined up to go out all at once. Those using the original GMK WoB/BoW caps could still fill out their boards, so we made the choice to prioritize the GBs that had already been subject to many delays and hadn't shipped at all yet.

We are also sitting on existing restocks of items. From a business perspective, this is far from ideal. We'd love to sell those ASAP and recoup the money we spent to buy the stock. But again, we made the choice to prioritize existing obligations, such as replacement WoB/BoW keycaps.

The email about replacements that we sent was written and scheduled earlier this week, prior to Emir's DMs to me - I want to make it clear that he had nothing to do with the email going out. This was based on our current schedule taking into account our office move, and current capacity.

While Emir did DM me, I chose not to respond. Despite constantly accusing others of not communicating well, Emir's communication has been anything but professional. My perspective is that our responsibility at this point is to our customers. Emir was paid in full shortly after the GB ended, before the kits shipped, so we have taken care of our obligation to him. In the past Emir has told me verbatim, "You can **** off now," and has had a generally negative disposition. Responding to him is not something I believed was necessary or productive given past interactions I've had with him.

I don't know what Emir is talking about when he says we've collected money and then left people hanging. Every GB we've run thus far has been successful, and to my knowledge we've taken care of everyone who has had issues. We answer any support tickets sent to support@cannonkeys.com within a few business days, and are also responsive on our public discord (our mods also help provide information in that channel). If anyone feels like we have left people hanging, please let me know with specifics, I'd be glad to discuss that and make improvements.

As to communications with GMK - we have talked to GMK about this extensively. As shown above in the thread, KBDFans is charging shipping fees, and that's because GMK will not refund us. From their point of view, they are replacing these keycaps out of good will, not because they necessarily believe they did not meet their own internal quality bar. And as such, they are not refunding the shipping fees.

We are not requiring anyone to pay shipping. If, out of the kindness of your heart, you would like to help out with them, we greatly appreciate that!

And we are always open to feedback! If anyone has ever had a bad experience with us or suggestions for improvement, please let use know via support@cannonkeys.com or in our discord (http://discord.gg/gAy6sqp)!

I will take your word that the replacements were on deck, and I have no problem paying for shipping. I also appreciate the uncertainty and logistics of owning and operating a business. The only issue that I had was in terms of readily available information. The last update I could find on any platform was on this thread which basically said they will be arriving in late July and will be shipped out to the customers on record, no support ticket needed. Not knowing what you have going on in terms of order fulfillment, it seemed that enough time had past without receiving the replacements to start poking around a bit. After a post in this thread, a dm here, a post on your discord server, and a personal dm there, I had no answer from you or your company.

I did turn to Emir to inquire as I had no other options. I don't know either of you at all personally and have no footing for a judgement of character, but from what I've read, I know Emir cares about his customers and the consumer in general, and I have had no issues with Cannon Keys otherwise. Beyond that, I can't interject on the fallout between you two.

I think this could have been avoided altogether if this kit had a spot on your keyset update channel in discord which is extremely helpful (in fact I don't remember it having it's own channel like all the other keysets, but I could be mistaken or it ran before you started them). I think the update channel(s)/update page on the site is the way to go (as you have already surmised and implemented) as discord is a nightmare to really find the info you need (while dodging the childrens' meme cannons), email newsletters aren't always kept after reading, and info could be spread across multiple message boards. My only criticism for the consolidated updates I whether it contains the latest info. For example, KAT Eternal's last update was from 8/27 referencing the spacebar issue, yet on Minterly's discord, there was a 9/11 update that Keyreative missed making some caps in a few kits and had to replace those alongside the spacebars. Now, I don't know if she if privy to info that Cannon Keys is not (or before other parties, or if it's her obligation to tell vendors -- I have no idea how this works) so I'm not slinging accusations, but it would be nice to go to once source for those updates.

Ultimately, I'm glad that these are shipping out soon, and that you guys are generously taking the hit on shipping for those that don't feel inclined to pay, I just wish I knew what was going on from the get go and could rely on getting answers from any of the channels that I employed. The only head scratcher I'm left with is why do people only have 2 weeks to "claim" the replacements that they are owed?
Well he gave the ship dates, so two weeks falls in line with this. Also, as a project manager, itís normal to see a deadline. Itís very human to drag things out if there isnít one.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: jimboytacos on Sun, 20 September 2020, 23:50:21
Can I claim my replacement kit via Canon keys if I placed my order via kbdfans?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: Emir on Mon, 21 September 2020, 00:27:30
Can I claim my replacement kit via Canon keys if I placed my order via kbdfans?


This is up to the vendors but please understand that it'd be unlikely because each vendor is given a set amount of replacements for their own orders. Taking a kit from a different vendor would mean they would be down a kit for one of their actual customers. There's also the cost of shipping involved.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: andtar2 on Fri, 02 October 2020, 04:53:02
Something seems to have been lost in translation or miscommunication within their team, as KBDFans has been sending out whole kits and not the replacements to a couple of customers.

If this has happened to you, I am sorry and I am trying to work with kbdfans to clear up any confusion there might be of what needs to be sent out.

You can send me your order number in private if you got sent a whole new kit and not the replacements and I will forward it directly. Sorry again!

I filled out the form as soon as you posted it. I just got a delivery from KBDFans and it didn't have the replacements.  I'll DM you

I have same issue with KBDFans, no replacements delivered with next order.
- Filled out the form when it was posted, opted in for replacements with next order.
- Placed a new order some week ago
- Included also note with the order regarding replacements and my previous order number.
- No replacements included.

Emir, could you check with KBDFans if there is still some miscommunication?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: Emir on Fri, 02 October 2020, 05:17:20
Something seems to have been lost in translation or miscommunication within their team, as KBDFans has been sending out whole kits and not the replacements to a couple of customers.

If this has happened to you, I am sorry and I am trying to work with kbdfans to clear up any confusion there might be of what needs to be sent out.

You can send me your order number in private if you got sent a whole new kit and not the replacements and I will forward it directly. Sorry again!

I filled out the form as soon as you posted it. I just got a delivery from KBDFans and it didn't have the replacements.  I'll DM you

I have same issue with KBDFans, no replacements delivered with next order.
- Filled out the form when it was posted, opted in for replacements with next order.
- Placed a new order some week ago
- Included also note with the order regarding replacements and my previous order number.
- No replacements included.

Emir, could you check with KBDFans if there is still some miscommunication?

Of course no problem. Dm me order Number please
Title: Re: [GB] Gmk Wob / Wo 图标扩展套件 - - Kbdfans 信息发布页面 4 - -
Post by: miaiji on Thu, 05 November 2020, 00:13:02
Oh, damn, I just saw this now. I'm sorry to have missed it. Is there a chance to start it again?
Title: Re: Re: [GB] Gmk Wob / Wo 图标扩展套件 - - Kbdfans 信息发布页面 4 - -
Post by: sup3r170va on Thu, 19 November 2020, 19:36:20
Oh, damn, I just saw this now. I'm sorry to have missed it. Is there a chance to start it again?

I second this. Any chance to re run this? Thanks.
Title: Re: Re: [GB] Gmk Wob / Wo 图标扩展套件 - - Kbdfans 信息发布页面 4 - -
Post by: Emir on Fri, 20 November 2020, 01:26:04
Oh, damn, I just saw this now. I'm sorry to have missed it. Is there a chance to start it again?

I second this. Any chance to re run this? Thanks.

Not a bad idea. :) I'll run an IC soon!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: egstad on Sat, 21 November 2020, 02:28:36
Count me in for another round of this!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: ideus on Sat, 21 November 2020, 07:52:34
Please add bottom row icons as well.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: SE7EN_ate_NINE on Sat, 21 November 2020, 08:10:55
If you run it again consider adding a R1 1U "delete" icon since none of the WoB kits have a proper 1U icon only delete for split backspace use where you want delete in the top right corner of the board.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: LONGZILLA on Sat, 21 November 2020, 13:00:54
Count me interested in another run as well
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: chive_ on Thu, 17 December 2020, 00:56:56
Not to beat a dead horse, but I'd be in for another round of this. Seems like something that should just be in stock, but as we all know GMK doesn't exactly work like that...

Excited for a future IC! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: yuejia on Sat, 19 December 2020, 07:39:19
Good job. Nice. Cool~ Fabulous! Very good!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: yuejia on Mon, 21 December 2020, 00:51:02
Wow! Nice!!!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: DZSlasher on Mon, 29 March 2021, 20:08:01
I would also be interested in this kit if it were to re-run.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Tue, 30 March 2021, 04:04:13
If you truly want us to be an icon kit, here is the escape icon as I just learned  ;D

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: Emir on Tue, 06 April 2021, 17:42:40
If you truly want us to be an icon kit, here is the escape icon as I just learned  ;D

(Attachment Link)

This icon is sacrilegous


Yes there will be something like another round, stay tuned! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 28 April 2021, 10:18:15
If you truly want us to be an icon kit, here is the escape icon as I just learned  ;D

(Attachment Link)

There's been both a rounded- and a squared-off version of this in GMK sets before.

(https://i.imgur.com/xXmNAnc.jpg)

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97358.0;attach=219533;image)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit - - KBDFANS INFO POSTED PAGE 4- -
Post by: stomaha on Mon, 24 May 2021, 06:43:01
I'm in for a couple kits if there is a rerun