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Title: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 26 August 2021, 04:06:30
(https://bbpix.joshuacertaindesigns.com/TerrorBelowBanner.jpg)

GMK TERROR BELOW

(https://imgur.com/GT8JJUm.png)

SEPTEMBER 1ST TO OCTOBER 3RD
Set created by and for people who enjoy Cthulhu and Cthulhu mythos. Designed by Afresh & SpikedSynapse.


Vendors
Estimated delivery: Q4 2022Q2 2023
US: Mechs & Co. (https://mechsandco.com/collections/current-group-buys/products/gb-gmk-terror-below?variant=39536536158343)
Asia: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-terror-below?variant=39477762457678) + CN (https://www.zfrontier.com/app/mch/1JK05a3jV3Xl)
Canada: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-terror-below)
EU: CandyKeys (https://candykeys.com/group-buys/gmk-terror-below)
Korea: Swagkeys (https://swagkeys.com/products/gb-gmk-terror-below)
UK: Protozoa Studio (https://protozoa.studio/products/uk-gmk-terror-below-by-afresh-spikedsynapse)
SEA: ZionStudios (https://zionstudios.ph/product/groupbuy-gmk-terror-below/)
Oceania: SwitchKeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/collections/current-group-buys/products/gmk-terror-below-group-buy)
SA: Fancy Customs (https://fancycustoms.com/products/group-buy-gmk-terror)


Prices

Base: $135 USD
Alphas: $70 USD
Novelties: $45 USD
Spacebars: $25 USD
Norde kit: 44$ USD
Deskmats: $20 USD
KeyRelic Artisan Argentin Alloy: $62 USD
KeyRelic Artisan Sterling Silver: $125 USD
THOK'ULU: $59 USD


Kits

(https://imgur.com/hFL7QlL.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831224534581510194/880836861868785714/TerrorBelowAlphas0002.jpg)
Double shot + UV printing
(https://imgur.com/gw1bfVp.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/MRbHs0v.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879377845338656849/886990318384345088/TerrorBelowNorde0001.png)


Renders

(https://imgur.com/CK2cS4G.png)

(https://imgur.com/bhKcynU.png)

(https://imgur.com/BrEp3M3.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/aBHV1vv.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/LtXPMr3.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/39UA0RG.jpg)


Deskmats

(https://imgur.com/n4wgcPr.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/GpOB92F.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465384493645834/892517098780229692/TerrorMat3Render.jpg)


Colors

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465384493645834/876572103166554152/unknown.png)


Collaborations
terror below x keyrelic
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/879920214022717440/image0.png)

terror below x THOK (https://thok.click/product/terror-below/)
Powdercoated keycap with sandblasted gold brass bottom
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832314724368252984/883331189358866472/TB_top.png)

terror below x barrett_creative (https://barrettcreative.shop/collaborations/gmk-terror-below)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868379655302967327/879253440268754995/B53B2294.jpg)

terror below x keebstuff (https://keebstuff.com/?sca_ref=1076191.WK3BT1LhYR)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845354577451941958/882642473661386773/DSC_1824.jpg)

terror below x luxecables (https://www.luxecables.com/product-page/gmk-terror-below-official-collab)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836145890213101618/883003788552700024/image0.jpg)

terror below x zerokeycaps (https://www.instagram.com/zerokeycaps/)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831224534581510194/882965702707908638/Juggy_Terror_Below_1.1-1-Adjustex.jpg)

terror below x keycapital (https://www.instagram.com/key.capital/)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850312009383673857/882185688789954560/Terror_Below_3.png)

terror below x archetype (https://www.instagram.com/archetype_mk/)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821402146662383658/888202358591488020/gmk-terror-below-header-3.png)

terror below x psychokeycaps (https://www.instagram.com/psychokeycaps/)
(https://imgur.com/inF48UB.jpg)
More
bowler caps


(https://imgur.com/RfXrG7s.png) (https://discord.com/invite/37H3gZ4K44)

Afresh's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/lykkostudio/)
Spiked's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/spikedsynapse/)

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 26 August 2021, 15:24:18
Approved :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Bub on Thu, 26 August 2021, 15:25:48
goodluck with groupbuy spiked and afresh  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Fredington on Thu, 26 August 2021, 15:30:24
What's the use case of the extra Tab in the Latin Alphas? Without punctuation and numbers, you can't fill another board with the leftover mods from the Base kit...unless it's maybe a 40%, yet there is no 40s support in any of the other kits...
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Hawkenfreude on Thu, 26 August 2021, 16:11:46
Looks great. Good luck!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 27 August 2021, 05:02:57
Excellent GB page.  Thank you for the colour balance image in the various lighting, that gets my vote alone.  The kits are close to perfect and again thank you for the UK ISO in the base.  I will be ordering all kits to fully support you.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 27 August 2021, 07:58:04
What's the use case of the extra Tab in the Latin Alphas? Without punctuation and numbers, you can't fill another board with the leftover mods from the Base kit...unless it's maybe a 40%, yet there is no 40s support in any of the other kits...

I'm fixing this issue, right now. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: a_turd on Fri, 27 August 2021, 09:45:30
This set looks incredible! I audibly gasped in excitement when I saw those novelties. I am 100% in for this.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 27 August 2021, 10:34:42
Alphas kit and spacebars got updated. Sorry about the confusion!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Hawkenfreude on Fri, 27 August 2021, 14:44:28
Love the alt alphas. A little bummed they don't also have the subs, but overall a truly great set. Nice work.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Skeil on Fri, 27 August 2021, 17:01:15
I can clearly see so much work has went into this set. Amazing work you two, GLWIC and GB!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: KambingSuSu on Sat, 28 August 2021, 02:52:25
That has to be one of the worst line-up of vendors you could get.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Sat, 28 August 2021, 03:42:23
That has to be one of the worst line-up of vendors you could get.

Please elaborate. From my experience, working with these vendors was nothing but a pleasure and a positive experience.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: KambingSuSu on Sat, 28 August 2021, 05:27:58
Had issues with zf before, but their customer service have greatly improved.

Zion is not great for shipping for SEA; it costs 15 USD to ship from Philippines to SG, and zfrontier costs just $17 USD with much better options of express shipping above USD$100.
Having Zion as a SEA vendor is a joke.

Sorry, should not have lumped the rest together as I do not have experience with the rest; but perhaps should ask around the regions that they are vendoring for to see if their reputation thus far is true.

p.s. forgot that I had shipments from deskhero too; they’re great, so fuss free that i forgot I bought stuff from them before.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sun, 29 August 2021, 18:10:12
That has to be one of the worst line-up of vendors you could get.

 :(

Seriously though, it reads as if you have issues with the choice of SEA vendor, have had positive issues with Canada and zF - and no dealings with the rest of them? Strange comment.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Herkuleszcz on Mon, 30 August 2021, 05:28:12
Did alternate alphas kit change recently? I don't recall it being dark green, rather the same color as base but without those runes. You can see it even on the third render from the top.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 30 August 2021, 06:31:32
Alphas pricing added  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Achromous on Mon, 30 August 2021, 13:15:56
Looking forward to this one, SA R2. Will be getting myself one of the mats though.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: OmniSzron on Mon, 30 August 2021, 14:12:37
So, are you planning on triple-shotting these novelties? Does GMK even do triple shot caps?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Dotnick on Mon, 30 August 2021, 14:50:55
That has to be one of the worst line-up of vendors you could get.

Provide evidence was making such a pan-pejorative comment. Having worked through many of these vendors, they are very great people and businesses.

____
____

GLWGB Afresh and Spiked
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Hawkenfreude on Mon, 30 August 2021, 16:03:32
So, are you planning on triple-shotting these novelties? Does GMK even do triple shot caps?

The subs and novelties will be UV printed. I think it was covered in the IC thread, but since it was edited to direct to this GB thread, I do not have a comment to point to as confirmation.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 31 August 2021, 00:45:54
So, are you planning on triple-shotting these novelties? Does GMK even do triple shot caps?

The subs and novelties will be UV printed. I think it was covered in the IC thread, but since it was edited to direct to this GB thread, I do not have a comment to point to as confirmation.

You are correct, novelties will be double shot + UV printed to achive that kind of design. Added that information to GB page to avoid future confusion.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 31 August 2021, 04:33:54
New render added with dark alphas on.

(https://imgur.com/BrEp3M3.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: thesky on Tue, 31 August 2021, 15:01:27
New render added with dark alphas on.

More
Show Image
(https://imgur.com/BrEp3M3.jpg)

Honestly, I was somewhat on the fence about getting this until I saw that render. Looking forward to going all in tomorrow!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 September 2021, 01:59:08
Added 2 collabs, check them out!

terror below x keycapital (https://www.instagram.com/key.capital/)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850312009383673857/882185688789954560/Terror_Below_3.png)

terror below x barrett_creative (https://barrettcreative.shop/collaborations/gmk-terror-below)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868379655302967327/879253440268754995/B53B2294.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 September 2021, 02:26:01
Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/collections/current-group-buys/products/gmk-terror-below-group-buy) GB page is up!
EN (https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-terror-below?variant=39477762457678) + CN zFrontier (https://www.zfrontier.com/app/mch/1JK05a3jV3Xl)  GB page is up!
Protozoa (https://protozoa.studio/products/uk-gmk-terror-below-by-afresh-spikedsynapse) GB page is up!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 01 September 2021, 08:40:59
terror below x barrett_creative (https://barrettcreative.shop/collaborations/gmk-terror-below)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868379655302967327/879253440268754995/B53B2294.jpg)


That's ****ing sick
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 September 2021, 11:23:29
Mechs&Co (https://mechsandco.com/collections/current-group-buys/products/gb-gmk-terror-below?variant=39536536158343) GB page is up!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 September 2021, 13:52:58
grab your cable in EU with
terror below x keebstuff (https://keebstuff.com/?sca_ref=1076191.WK3BT1LhYR)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845354577451941958/882642473661386773/DSC_1824.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: polarzombies on Wed, 01 September 2021, 16:18:32
What are those subs on the alphas?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 September 2021, 16:30:57
What are those subs on the alphas?
R'Lyehian sublegends
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 September 2021, 23:32:10
ALL VENDORS ARE LIVE
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 02 September 2021, 10:50:50
Added luxecables to the collab list. Thok will join soon!

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836145890213101618/883003788552700024/image0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: xanmuffin on Thu, 02 September 2021, 16:06:51
When is the estimate for the deskmats shipping out?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 02 September 2021, 21:47:30
When is the estimate for the deskmats shipping out?

Deskmats alone should take around 3 months after GB ends.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 03 September 2021, 09:45:34
THOK'ULU joins the roster of amazing artisans!
Go and grab one! (https://mechsandco.com/products/gb-gmk-terror-below?variant=39544396939399)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832314724368252984/883331664955183154/TB_iso.png)
Powdercoated keycap with sandblasted gold brass bottom
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 03 September 2021, 11:30:07
Will the THOK'ULU be available from the other vendors like Protozoa ?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 03 September 2021, 12:44:06
Will the THOK'ULU be available from the other vendors like Protozoa ?
Yes, waiting for those vendors to go live with THOK'ULU
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 03 September 2021, 15:19:24
(https://i.postimg.cc/bq7rrJQC/GMKterror-Below-Orders210903b.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 04 September 2021, 03:06:25
Will the THOK'ULU be available from the other vendors like Protozoa ?
Yes, waiting for those vendors to go live with THOK'ULU

Excellent
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: clayclws on Sat, 04 September 2021, 09:13:20
ZionStudios is not selling the Keyrelic. Is there any other vendors that would do so for the SEA market?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: HorchataBlast on Sun, 05 September 2021, 16:12:54
Looking into ordering the base kit for my Kara Byte w/ Noct backplate. Would like to get a opinion on if you guys think the byte green would go along with this color scheme or should I add on the alt alphas as well?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 06 September 2021, 01:50:03
ZionStudios is not selling the Keyrelic. Is there any other vendors that would do so for the SEA market?

ZionStudios should have Keyrelic artisans and THOK available now.

Looking into ordering the base kit for my Kara Byte w/ Noct backplate. Would like to get a opinion on if you guys think the byte green would go along with this color scheme or should I add on the alt alphas as well?

I think it will look better with alt alphas overall but you can rock it with basekit alone, it's just gonna be a lot of different shades of green on your board ;)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: xanmuffin on Mon, 06 September 2021, 11:23:35
Is there a site to track the current amount sold and what sets hit moq?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 06 September 2021, 12:12:39
Is there a site to track the current amount sold and what sets hit moq?

Numbers are usually hidden unless vendors and designer decides to share them. I'm posting numbers for this set, right now we are at the point where I can assure you that everything will be made so don't worry about ordering anything.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 07 September 2021, 11:25:40
All kits ordered.  Great set with a great Thoc.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 08 September 2021, 04:58:45
All kits ordered.  Great set with a great Thoc.

Thank you for supporting this project!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: wei0526 on Wed, 08 September 2021, 12:36:39
Why the color of alphas kits is different from the color of alphabets on the base kit?
I am asking because I want to combine alphas kits and novelties kit together, just like the render image.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 08 September 2021, 13:20:45
Why the color of alphas kits is different from the color of alphabets on the base kit?
I am asking because I want to combine alphas kits and novelties kit together, just like the render image.

It's there to allow people to fill 2 boards with base + alphas and have 2 different colorways.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: radderall on Thu, 09 September 2021, 14:57:48
Hey I plan on joining the GB just curious what the dimensions of the deskmats are? Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 09 September 2021, 15:55:45
Hey I plan on joining the GB just curious what the dimensions of the deskmats are? Thanks!
Hey :)
900mm x 400mm x 4mm
Those are the dimensions of the deskmats.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 09 September 2021, 22:03:50
(https://i.postimg.cc/W2jqFTF5/GMKterror-Below-Orders210907.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 1 numbers
Post by: Afresh on Sun, 12 September 2021, 16:31:06
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/886696816672915598/Zrzut_ekranu_2021-09-12_o_21.34.01.png)

Check out this cool Terror Below theme on monkeytype.com (http://monkeytype.com)  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 13 September 2021, 10:11:47
Added a Norde support for EU friends here!

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879377845338656849/886990318384345088/TerrorBelowNorde0001.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 13 September 2021, 11:20:54
Added a Norde support for EU friends here!

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879377845338656849/886990318384345088/TerrorBelowNorde0001.png)


I applaud you sir, I personally don't need it but I love the support shown.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: Bubblegum on Mon, 13 September 2021, 12:55:47
When does the NorDe kit go live? :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: ylothar on Mon, 13 September 2021, 16:05:53
Please also remember that Europe has states in the SOUTH !!!  :p :p :p :p
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 13 September 2021, 17:24:58
When does the NorDe kit go live? :)

Candykeys will go live tomorrow 7pm CET
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: Bubblegum on Wed, 15 September 2021, 00:55:04
When does the NorDe kit go live? :)

Candykeys will go live tomorrow 7pm CET

Very nice, it's active now! Another question though. Is there an oversight or conscious decision that there's no mod color ISO Enter in the base kit (only accent colored one)? ANSI has it both ways :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 15 September 2021, 01:21:11
When does the NorDe kit go live? :)

Candykeys will go live tomorrow 7pm CET

Very nice, it's active now! Another question though. Is there an oversight or conscious decision that there's no mod color ISO Enter in the base kit (only accent colored one)? ANSI has it both ways :)

Yes, we debated about adding that key to the Norde but it happened to be a very expensive extra key so we didn't add it.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: Bubblegum on Wed, 15 September 2021, 04:26:37
When does the NorDe kit go live? :)

Candykeys will go live tomorrow 7pm CET

Very nice, it's active now! Another question though. Is there an oversight or conscious decision that there's no mod color ISO Enter in the base kit (only accent colored one)? ANSI has it both ways :)

Yes, we debated about adding that key to the Norde but it happened to be a very expensive extra key so we didn't add it.

Alright, thanks! Just figured it would make sense to have that in the base kit, but there's always the mod colored novelty ISO Enter if someone wants to go without accents.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Wed, 15 September 2021, 18:14:21
I'm late to the party! Just saw this set on Deskhero and I'm probably going to pick it up with dark alphas! I like a mono color and clean legends!
One thing I noticed, and its probably addressed in the IC, the numpad is missing some love! With the dark alphas alt kit, a numpad would stand out pretty hard with the light alphas. I guess that only an issue with Full size or 1800 or if you want to match your numpad to your keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 16 September 2021, 01:18:00
I'm late to the party! Just saw this set on Deskhero and I'm probably going to pick it up with dark alphas! I like a mono color and clean legends!
One thing I noticed, and its probably addressed in the IC, the numpad is missing some love! With the dark alphas alt kit, a numpad would stand out pretty hard with the light alphas. I guess that only an issue with Full size or 1800 or if you want to match your numpad to your keyboard.

Yeah, sadly nothing I can do about it anymore. Supporting numpad in alphas would make it much more expensive and it's not the most popular size throughout the community. Maybe next time I can offer dark numpad aswell.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Norde support added!
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 16 September 2021, 04:19:13
(https://i.postimg.cc/by53wt5X/GMKterror-Below-Orders210916.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: wei0526 on Thu, 16 September 2021, 20:29:41
Why the color of alphas kits is different from the color of alphabets on the base kit?
I am asking because I want to combine alphas kits and novelties kit together, just like the render image.

It's there to allow people to fill 2 boards with base + alphas and have 2 different colorways.

Thanks, I pre-ordered it.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 17 September 2021, 01:04:29
We hit moq in 2 weeks! Thank you so much for the support  :eek:
New collabs added!

terror below x archetype (https://www.instagram.com/archetype_mk/)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821402146662383658/888202358591488020/gmk-terror-below-header-3.png)

terror below x psychokeycaps (https://www.instagram.com/psychokeycaps/)
(https://imgur.com/inF48UB.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: KeyRelic on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:47:11


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: Afresh on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:54:09
Join the giveaway if you fancy free THOK  :thumb:

INSTAGRAM LINK (https://www.instagram.com/p/CT-WSwJMAjL/)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: Achromous on Mon, 20 September 2021, 15:50:14
Congratulations of the great numbers!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: alas on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:03:40
Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!


I'm very interested, gonna wait for extras though. This lead time isn't for me :c
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: KevlarBear on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:18:41
I'm very interested, gonna wait for extras though. This lead time isn't for me :c

But you are still waiting the same amount of time for extras? Probably even longer since group buy orders ship before extras and now you have a less than 100% chance of getting it
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 22 September 2021, 08:17:51
Congratulations of the great numbers!

Thank you! Numbers for week 3 should be posted today!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | MOQ hit, 2 weeks remaining
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 22 September 2021, 14:38:18
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZJGJFwhL/GMKterror-Below-Orders210922.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 3 numbers!
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 24 September 2021, 06:16:20
(https://imgur.com/7aC1oDD.jpg)

6 more days to grab this set!!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 3 numbers!
Post by: arvindvma on Fri, 24 September 2021, 09:22:15
Love the renders and really looking forward to getting the kits (in 1.5-2 years though  :( )

This is my first GB since I went down the rabbit hole few weeks ago.

Base + Novelties + Thok
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 3 numbers!
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 24 September 2021, 12:40:42
Love the renders and really looking forward to getting the kits (in 1.5-2 years though  :( )

This is my first GB since I went down the rabbit hole few weeks ago.

Base + Novelties + Thok

Thank you for your support!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 3 numbers!
Post by: ChetM on Fri, 24 September 2021, 14:29:28
Thought I was gonna save some money, but then the NorDE kit got added and... yeah...
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 3 numbers!
Post by: euro3er on Sat, 25 September 2021, 08:16:53
Pre-ordered the other day. Can't wait. This set looks phenomenal!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 3 numbers!
Post by: Afresh on Sat, 25 September 2021, 11:41:44
If you guys want a chance to win 2x Basekits, 2x Novelites or 2x Deskmats from GMK Terror Below join our 2 giveaway:

HERE (https://www.instagram.com/p/CUNyR3sPliI/) & HERE (https://discord.com/invite/37H3gZ4K44)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888950188390101032/891363649237700678/DeskmatScene21.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Week 3 numbers!
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 25 September 2021, 12:47:37
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888950188390101032/891363649237700678/DeskmatScene21.jpg)


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Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | ENDING OCTOBER 3RD
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 29 September 2021, 07:04:32
Good news! Group buy is getting extended and we are gonna end on October 3rd.
So you have time till Sunday! Grab it before its too late!


(https://imgur.com/Rv1jTwf.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | ENDING OCTOBER 3RD
Post by: svenge on Fri, 01 October 2021, 15:04:01
This set is so freakin dank but at this point I'm waiting on so many cap sets I think it's best for all of us if i sit this one out.  I've passed on a couple GMK sets I wanted recently because the waits and delays are getting so bad.  I think I'm waiting on 12 different sets now...  not all GMK, but all of them are promising delays delays delays.  I like to think I'm doing my part in bringing the queue time down and increasing the hipster factor for the rest of you who are buying in.

Maybe when queue times are back to a reasonable <12 months I'll start buying GMK again.  Also worth noting that I just bought a Domikey Cherry set which was in-stock and really exceeded my expectations... GMK gonna have some competition on their hands there.

Just wanted to get that out there.
Cheers-
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | ENDING OCTOBER 3RD
Post by: Afresh on Sun, 03 October 2021, 05:23:33
Last day to grab GMK Terror Below!
Amazing support so far, thank you all so much!

(https://imgur.com/lTriv3r.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 07 October 2021, 18:08:05
Edit: Final numbers below.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 19 October 2021, 02:27:37
(https://i.postimg.cc/DF4K4Fhf/GMKterror-Below-Orders211003fin-Yext.png)

More
(https://i.postimg.cc/1SMkjXm3/GMKterror-Below-Orders211003fin-Next2.png)
<-- without extras
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Bub on Tue, 19 October 2021, 06:10:42
well done, guys.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: lavalamp on Sat, 04 December 2021, 00:20:15
Sorry I missed this Group Buy.  These keycaps look epic.

Any chance they'll be available retail?  Or am I SOL?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Mecxs on Sat, 04 December 2021, 05:21:47
Sorry I missed this Group Buy.  These keycaps look epic.

Any chance they'll be available retail?  Or am I SOL?

Vendors bought a few thousand extra copies - you should be able to grab these in ~2 years time when they ship as in-stock extras.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: hagiwaraDaisuke on Sat, 04 December 2021, 06:24:46
Sorry I missed this Group Buy.  These keycaps look epic.

Any chance they'll be available retail?  Or am I SOL?
Other than extras mechs and co will also put it up as pre-order if you want to grab it

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: hongoo on Sat, 05 March 2022, 06:26:06
I love that powder coated one.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 07 April 2022, 03:40:19
Still waiting for color samples from GMK
Expected Ship date is Q1 2023
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Wed, 01 June 2022, 13:34:54
Just want to leave a note here. Really desperately searching for a NorDE kit. So if anyone wants to get rid of the kit. Ill buy it in a instant.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 02 August 2022, 04:16:04
Update: All the colors got approved  :thumb:

(https://i.imgur.com/xF3tIqs.png)
blue is for sublegends
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Hiiro_XoXo on Sun, 07 August 2022, 22:00:29
Looks much lighter than what I was imagining
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 08 August 2022, 05:47:31
Looks much lighter than what I was imagining

It's exactly the same color as we showed on this GB post.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Kuj0 on Wed, 10 August 2022, 04:22:44
Just came back to this set excited to pick up some preorder extras - Had to cancel my order after seeing that there is no proper 40s support. A 1.25u tab would have made the set kitting far better.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: spikedsynapse on Thu, 06 October 2022, 07:26:40
Color matching has been approved.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: seabassi on Wed, 11 January 2023, 12:53:57
any updates since october?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: wei0526 on Wed, 11 January 2023, 15:22:28
I preorder it on mechs&co.
Is it possible to change the shipping address?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 11 January 2023, 15:42:35
I preorder it on mechs&co.
Is it possible to change the shipping address?

Should be. Try their "contact us" page - https://mechsandco.com/pages/contact-us
Would probably help to mention your order number.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TheDudeTV on Thu, 12 January 2023, 02:41:15
Just a heads up to anyone who ordered a collab cable from Luxe Cables.  It seems the website is shutdown, and people are having a hard time getting in touch with anyone from Luxe to get their money back.  Scam alert.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 20 January 2023, 13:57:18
any updates since october?

Not much I can update you about. Everything about Terror Below is done from colors to box design etc.
Now we wait for GMK and I have no news about that at the moment.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: LinleyBaruch on Sun, 16 April 2023, 13:49:41
Any updates since Jan?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 17 April 2023, 07:39:45
Any updates since Jan?
Waiting for production, when GMK gets to it, I will update here.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Sat, 22 April 2023, 12:45:08
I'm wondering why the Noveltys Kit is available again at Candykeys? Does it mean that the other kits are following soon?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Sat, 22 April 2023, 16:41:10
I'm wondering why the Noveltys Kit is available again at Candykeys? Does it mean that the other kits are following soon?

Prety sure it's preorders not instock sale.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Sun, 23 April 2023, 07:24:58
I‘ve ordered the Novelty‘s just for the heck of it because i missed them back in the days when i preordered the base kit.
At Candykeys the were set as „in stock“ so obviously not a preorder again. Curious when they arrive tbh…
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Fleshco on Sun, 23 April 2023, 10:15:38
I am quite happy this set was available to preorder on Candy Keys. I managed to get the Base Kit. What are the odds of extra stock for the space bars and novelties after they are released? I am new to the hobby and is my first set. I would love to get the other bits.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Sun, 23 April 2023, 11:20:21
I'm wondering. Novelties are not "in Stock" any more at Candykeys but my order is "processing". Let's see what will arrive here and when. If it is a return of round 1 or so i hope it is at least color matching to my preorders.

EDIT: I just realized that there was no R1 of this set if i'm correct. So now i'm really interested what i bought at Candykeys  :D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Sun, 23 April 2023, 13:26:18
I'm wondering. Novelties are not "in Stock" any more at Candykeys but my order is "processing". Let's see what will arrive here and when. If it is a return of round 1 or so i hope it is at least color matching to my preorders.

EDIT: I just realized that there was no R1 of this set if i'm correct. So now i'm really interested what i bought at Candykeys  :D

As I said before, this set hasn't been produced yet so you preordered novelties.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Sun, 23 April 2023, 13:26:53
I am quite happy this set was available to preorder on Candy Keys. I managed to get the Base Kit. What are the odds of extra stock for the space bars and novelties after they are released? I am new to the hobby and is my first set. I would love to get the other bits.

There will be plenty of extras :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Sun, 23 April 2023, 14:12:02
I can only tell you what i bought and what Candykeys has on my Order which is getting "processed" and not "manufactured" like the base kit i ordered last year. So i think this order will get canceled tomorrow anyways. But hopefully i can order this when it is produced and in stock for real.
But for now, here are some screenshots, yeah it proves nothing but it is what i see at the moment:
https://imgur.com/a/gVZdTe9 (https://imgur.com/a/gVZdTe9)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Fleshco on Sun, 23 April 2023, 18:19:25
There will be plenty of extras :)

So good to read this, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: seabassi on Wed, 26 April 2023, 15:04:01
the wait time on this set for production is  :confused: :-[.  please GMK for the love of god.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 27 April 2023, 08:06:50
the wait time on this set for production is  :confused: :-[.  please GMK for the love of god.
this is not taking any longer than any average gmk set. no reason to freak out.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Fri, 28 April 2023, 03:04:41
Just to finish this up: Obviously Candykeys at least did not cancel my noveltys order but just set the status to "manufacturing".
So on the good side: I got my noveltys kit safe...
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: tactilesbad on Fri, 28 April 2023, 10:58:44
Just to finish this up: Obviously Candykeys at least did not cancel my noveltys order but just set the status to "manufacturing".
So on the good side: I got my noveltys kit safe...

why on earth should they cancel it, I don't think you get what those statuses mean (nothing)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: demigodvn on Mon, 08 May 2023, 13:17:40
Any updates on production guys :(
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 08 May 2023, 15:10:47
This probably isn't gonna be in your hands this year. There's sets that ran in Q1 2021 that haven't shipped yet. I mean, maybe Q4? When sets that ran Q3 2021 finish shipping, you can start to think this might be a month or two out.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: YoungManKim on Mon, 08 May 2023, 15:31:01
Just to put numbers to this:
- There is one remaining GMK set from Q1 2021 that has yet to ship (Tuzi)
- 37/40 sets from Q2 2021 have shipped
- 21/34 sets from Q3 2021 have shipped
- This makes 17 sets that need to be completed before Q4 sets are theoretically started (realistically, some Q4 sets will be completed before then)

With GMK fulfilling ~10 sets a month I would be cautiously optimistic that fulfillment for this set happens this year.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 08 May 2023, 15:44:46
Just to put numbers to this:
- There is one remaining GMK set from Q1 2021 that has yet to ship (Tuzi)
- 37/40 sets from Q2 2021 have shipped
- 21/34 sets from Q3 2021 have shipped
- This makes 17 sets that need to be completed before Q4 sets are theoretically started (realistically, some Q4 sets will be completed before then)

With GMK fulfilling ~10 sets a month I would be cautiously optimistic that fulfillment for this set happens this year.

I was just looking at GMK's shipping progress yesterday.  I can't say I've captured all the GBs or that it's 100% accurate, but this graph is for anyone who would like to visualize GMK's shipping progress.  It's very close to what YoungManKim just said, and also shows months from GB end to shipping for those GBs that have shipped.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fTrYPZBQ/GMK-shipping-230507.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Ranker2 on Mon, 08 May 2023, 22:28:28
Does the red "in-process" GBs mean that's the number of new GB's that were ran and submitted to GMK?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 09 May 2023, 12:50:14
Does the red "in-process" GBs mean that's the number of new GB's that were ran and submitted to GMK?

A red "in-progress" point is just the number of GBs with end dates in that quarter.  No consideration for GB status beyond that - orders placed with GMK? progress of color matching? etc.

FWIW, the graph starts on 1/2/2019 and a quarter is 365.25/4 days so the X-axis legends always say the correct month.

It's hard to define exact GB shipping dates.  They are always logged as the 15th of a month, but often not all vendors ship in the same month.  I go by people receiving orders and posting in Geekhack GB threads, vendors informing in Discord servers, vendors announcing in-stock extras for sale (not when taking pre-orders for extras), etc.  Not all vendors receive sets from GMK at the same time or ship in the same month.  And of course it's likely some GBs have shipped and I don't know about it.

I'm also likely missing some GBs entirely.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: demigodvn on Wed, 10 May 2023, 11:33:12
Is a milky case suit this set sir :( Im going to buy Zoom75 but wondering between milk tea or wild green color
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 16 May 2023, 05:08:49
GMK Terror Below is produced! Now we wait for shipping :)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/1107701436126593174/IMG_1254.jpg)
credits: Mario Seibl
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 16 May 2023, 06:16:53
hey thats fantastic news! Looking forward to this set.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Helskor on Tue, 16 May 2023, 10:29:56
Excited to see this set in person when it ships!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 23 May 2023, 03:23:03
Currently shipping to vendors
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Keef on Tue, 23 May 2023, 05:51:53
Any news on the deskmats?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 24 May 2023, 00:54:41
Any news on the deskmats?

M&C said in their post that deskmats will be produced in 6 to 8 weeks.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: andromache on Thu, 25 May 2023, 10:33:39
Dang, M&C's deskmat queue takes even longer than GMK.  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Necrolegion on Tue, 06 June 2023, 04:54:12
Any news on the deskmats?

M&C said in their post that deskmats will be produced in 6 to 8 weeks.

With the sh*t storm that has happened with Mechs & Co, do you know if they did place their order with GMK and are actually shipping product?

M&C have locked their discord.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 06 June 2023, 06:48:35
Any news on the deskmats?

M&C said in their post that deskmats will be produced in 6 to 8 weeks.

With the sh*t storm that has happened with Mechs & Co, do you know if they did place their order with GMK and are actually shipping product?

M&C have locked their discord.

Nothing changed since they ordered Terror Below over a year ago. We are waiting for deskpads, other projects and "drama" around them won't affect this run.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: wei0526 on Sat, 17 June 2023, 14:57:36
Does anyone have any update from Mech & CO?

My shipping status is still Unfulfilled.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: KevlarBear on Fri, 23 June 2023, 15:28:08
Is this still en route to vendors or have they received the set already?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Sat, 24 June 2023, 01:30:01
We are still waiting for deskpads. Some vendors got their sets already.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: centurion832 on Sat, 24 June 2023, 09:21:05
Any news on the deskmats?

M&C said in their post that deskmats will be produced in 6 to 8 weeks.

With the sh*t storm that has happened with Mechs & Co, do you know if they did place their order with GMK and are actually shipping product?

M&C have locked their discord.

Nothing changed since they ordered Terror Below over a year ago. We are waiting for deskpads, other projects and "drama" around them won't affect this run.

Not to sew panic, but have you been in contact with M&C to confirm that they have paid for deskpads and have the funds to ship out orders?  Are secondary methods of fulfillment being considered?  They are full-on ghosting people involved in a couple of keyboard GBs the mods of the various MK socials posted a lengthy blog yesterday about the future of M&C as the company has not stated anything publicly since they locked down their Discord at the beginning of the month.

Again, not trying to be chicken little, but I believe that people's concerns about fulfillment are real and justified.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Sun, 25 June 2023, 03:41:36
Any news on the deskmats?

M&C said in their post that deskmats will be produced in 6 to 8 weeks.

With the sh*t storm that has happened with Mechs & Co, do you know if they did place their order with GMK and are actually shipping product?

M&C have locked their discord.

Nothing changed since they ordered Terror Below over a year ago. We are waiting for deskpads, other projects and "drama" around them won't affect this run.

Not to sew panic, but have you been in contact with M&C to confirm that they have paid for deskpads and have the funds to ship out orders?  Are secondary methods of fulfillment being considered?  They are full-on ghosting people involved in a couple of keyboard GBs the mods of the various MK socials posted a lengthy blog yesterday about the future of M&C as the company has not stated anything publicly since they locked down their Discord at the beginning of the month.

Again, not trying to be chicken little, but I believe that people's concerns about fulfillment are real and justified.

AFAIK They are shipping out stuff like GMK Earth Tones, last time I talked to them I had every vendor fill in their billing information to be invoiced for deskpads separately. If anything changes I will update you guys here.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: SxM Designs on Sun, 25 June 2023, 04:06:21
Any news on the deskmats?

M&C said in their post that deskmats will be produced in 6 to 8 weeks.

With the sh*t storm that has happened with Mechs & Co, do you know if they did place their order with GMK and are actually shipping product?

M&C have locked their discord.

Nothing changed since they ordered Terror Below over a year ago. We are waiting for deskpads, other projects and "drama" around them won't affect this run.

Not to sew panic, but have you been in contact with M&C to confirm that they have paid for deskpads and have the funds to ship out orders?  Are secondary methods of fulfillment being considered?  They are full-on ghosting people involved in a couple of keyboard GBs the mods of the various MK socials posted a lengthy blog yesterday about the future of M&C as the company has not stated anything publicly since they locked down their Discord at the beginning of the month.

Again, not trying to be chicken little, but I believe that people's concerns about fulfillment are real and justified.

AFAIK They are shipping out stuff like GMK Earth Tones, last time I talked to them I had every vendor fill in their billing information to be invoiced for deskpads separately. If anything changes I will update you guys here.

When is the last time you talked?
For me, M&C has not replied for around a month.. This was after dipping out of a live GB :)
So, I would be really careful to deal with them.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: KevlarBear on Sun, 25 June 2023, 13:25:38
We are still waiting for deskpads. Some vendors got their sets already.

Do you know if orders without deskpads will go ahead and ship out or is that choice up to each individual vendor?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Sun, 25 June 2023, 14:37:05
Quote

When is the last time you talked?
For me, M&C has not replied for around a month.. This was after dipping out of a live GB :)
So, I would be really careful to deal with them.

2 weeks ago

We are still waiting for deskpads. Some vendors got their sets already.

Do you know if orders without deskpads will go ahead and ship out or is that choice up to each individual vendor?

I mean, that would make sense for them to do that.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: skwrl on Thu, 06 July 2023, 15:18:11
Just coming on this now. Sad there isn't a 2u shift, or an obscure/40s kit.
Maybe in R2?  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Vaalbeast on Sun, 09 July 2023, 15:01:20
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/14v52yp/mechs_co_vendor_update/

Looks like the final nail in the coffin for M&C customers. I was patient but finally initiated a chargeback on my Terror Below preorder and am reporting fraud to the FTC. Good luck everyone, really unfortunate situation.

To the designers, you've created an absolutely badass set and I hope this experience doesn't impact your future works too much.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 10 July 2023, 03:09:38
Hi

I already posted on my discord yesterday so I thought it would be a good thing to update those who aren't there. Please read the Reddit posts and act accordingly, I can no longer stand by what Mike from M&C told me because I don't know what is really happening inside M&C. I'm actively working on a possible solution like fulfillment through another vendor, etc. It's very possible that I will be able to get on a call with GMK and talk about our options. I'll let you guys know if anything changes.

I was very excited to see all my projects being fulfilled this year and then this happened...  I'm truly sorry to everyone involved in this.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: lycantivis on Mon, 10 July 2023, 11:50:47
Hi

I already posted on my discord yesterday so I thought it would be a good thing to update those who aren't there. Please read the Reddit posts and act accordingly, I can no longer stand by what Mike from M&C told me because I don't know what is really happening inside M&C. I'm actively working on a possible solution like fulfillment through another vendor, etc. It's very possible that I will be able to get on a call with GMK and talk about our options. I'll let you guys know if anything changes.

I was very excited to see all my projects being fulfilled this year and then this happened...  I'm truly sorry to everyone involved in this.
Is there other options?  I thought M&C received the shipment already?  Going to be hard to get GMK to print even more without pay, or another vendor to give up their paid for kits to back fill the M&C orders.  It would have been easy to control if GMK hadn't have already shipped off the kits to M&C, but correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: pillowman on Fri, 14 July 2023, 21:35:09
Jesus so what now, just chargeback? At this point I’m willing to a pay a third party to just seize our orders from their warehouse.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: thesky on Sat, 15 July 2023, 14:52:24
Jesus so what now, just chargeback? At this point I’m willing to a pay a third party to just seize our orders from their warehouse.


Earlier this week I was able to call my credit card's customer service center and charge back the money I paid for this groupbuy. I didn't come to that decision easily, but if you've placed your order with Mechs & Co, I would recommend you try a charge back as well.

I was waiting to see if Mechs & Co would ship these out like they had told Afresh, but then I heard that MilkyWay Fuyu couldn't be delivered to the Mechs & Co warehouse because no one was on site to receive it. That news coupled with the lack of communication that Mechs & Co promised in their response on July 1st made it seem to me like they are trying to ghost the community, so attempting a charge back seemed like the safe thing to do.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 15 July 2023, 16:00:18
That sucks guys, I'm sorry. I'd probably would of been in the same boat if I did not already have nautilus nightmares when this Gb launched.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: lycantivis on Tue, 18 July 2023, 15:50:18
Jesus so what now, just chargeback? At this point I’m willing to a pay a third party to just seize our orders from their warehouse.


Earlier this week I was able to call my credit card's customer service center and charge back the money I paid for this groupbuy. I didn't come to that decision easily, but if you've placed your order with Mechs & Co, I would recommend you try a charge back as well.

I was waiting to see if Mechs & Co would ship these out like they had told Afresh, but then I heard that MilkyWay Fuyu couldn't be delivered to the Mechs & Co warehouse because no one was on site to receive it. That news coupled with the lack of communication that Mechs & Co promised in their response on July 1st made it seem to me like they are trying to ghost the community, so attempting a charge back seemed like the safe thing to do.
Well and top of M&C locking their website. I too was holding out hoping they would still ship them.  Because I now need to source this set somewhere else on extras...But I too took the charge back path.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Tue, 18 July 2023, 17:21:20
Does this also affect Orders on other Vendors like me in Europe with an order at candykeys?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 18 July 2023, 20:29:32
Does this also affect Orders on other Vendors like me in Europe with an order at candykeys?
No.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: wei0526 on Fri, 21 July 2023, 00:39:55
Guys, I noticed the things happened in Mech&co. I paid for the money several years ago. Is it still possible to refund it?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: lycantivis on Fri, 21 July 2023, 00:48:52
Guys, I noticed the things happened in Mech&co. I paid for the money several years ago. Is it still possible to refund it?
Through your bank/credit card, maybe.  Depends on their time limits.  I was able to with my credit card.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: wei0526 on Fri, 21 July 2023, 01:21:06
Guys, I noticed the things happened in Mech&co. I paid for the money several years ago. Is it still possible to refund it?
Through your bank/credit card, maybe.  Depends on their time limits.  I was able to with my credit card.
Thanks. I tried to refund through chase app. But it doesn’t allow me to do that. I will call them tomorrow morning to see whether it is refundable.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: YoungManKim on Fri, 21 July 2023, 09:27:33
Guys, I noticed the things happened in Mech&co. I paid for the money several years ago. Is it still possible to refund it?
Through your bank/credit card, maybe.  Depends on their time limits.  I was able to with my credit card.
Thanks. I tried to refund through chase app. But it doesn’t allow me to do that. I will call them tomorrow morning to see whether it is refundable.

Yeah, you'll typically have to call them to get a chargeback initiated.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 25 July 2023, 10:17:16
Despite the efforts and initially positive interactions with Mechs & Co regarding getting GMK Terror Below, GMK Art, and MW Heresy sets shipped out, communication has stopped. At this moment there's nothing more we can do about it. We would like to thank everyone for their support and patience.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 26 July 2023, 08:26:27
Deskmats have been produced and will be shipped to vendors.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: spikedsynapse on Thu, 27 July 2023, 07:10:36
Deskmats have been produced and will be shipped to vendors.

International deskmats only, US deskmats have not been ordered.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: ELE.WORKS on Thu, 27 July 2023, 13:42:27
ok,the color is my like,but gmk production cycle······
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: YoungManKim on Thu, 27 July 2023, 14:29:19
ok,the color is my like,but gmk production cycle······

What exactly are you talking about? This set already finished being produced.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: youpokedthebear on Fri, 28 July 2023, 18:14:57
ok,the color is my like,but gmk production cycle······

It did finish production and I got my set today from zFrontier. The color shown in the renderings is wayyyy darker green than what the final production is - I was a bit disappointed when I saw them.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: demigodvn on Tue, 01 August 2023, 01:32:40
Really dissapointed by the color, too bright. Gonna sell it right away.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Helskor on Tue, 01 August 2023, 05:33:38
Really dissapointed by the color, too bright. Gonna sell it right away.

Would be nice to see a picture, still waiting on my set here in the UK
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 01 August 2023, 06:31:27
Really dissapointed by the color, too bright. Gonna sell it right away.

Would be nice to see a picture, still waiting on my set here in the UK

Here are few pictures from my discord

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/1133632559855706142/DSC3439.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/1134258874862543019/B53B4500.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/1134208404320178196/IMG_0041.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Helskor on Tue, 01 August 2023, 15:19:29
Really dissapointed by the color, too bright. Gonna sell it right away.

Would be nice to see a picture, still waiting on my set here in the UK

Here are few pictures from my discord

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/1133632559855706142/DSC3439.jpg)

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/1134258874862543019/B53B4500.jpg)

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821109644168265818/1134208404320178196/IMG_0041.jpg)


Thanks, looks great to me (but what do I know, I do like it) - can't wait for UK vendor to start shipping out
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 02 August 2023, 11:46:45
Hello,

Thank you for your patience while we try to navigate this difficult situation. We have been able to contact M&Co and coordinate the potential delivery of GMK Terror Below to GB customers.

CannonKeys has graciously offered to pick up the goods and deliver them to GB customers (at their own cost of labor, time, gas, shipping supplies, etc). They have also paid for M&Co’s shopify subscription (delinquent charges plus multiple months in advance) so M&Co could get their account unlocked and regain access to customer data as well as the ability to refund. Unfortunately, since M&Co doesn’t have the funds to cover shipping costs, CannonKeys will be asking customers to cover the cost of shipping from CannonKeys to customers.

Any M&Co customer with an active GMK Terror Below order should have received a “Authorization for Release of Confidential Information” form from M&Co which is needed in order for M&Co to release customer information to CannonKeys. CannonKeys will use the information only to fulfill the Terror Below GB orders. Please fill out the form so CannonKeys can reach you via email for next steps.

The plan is for CannonKeys to pick up the goods, count the items received, sort out through customer information, create orders for shipping costs, then ship the orders to folks who were unable to file a chargeback for that GB. This will take some time, so please be patient while they prepare to ship out orders.

So what should you do next? Please fill out the form that was emailed to you and hang tight. CannonKeys will be contacting you with next steps/updates.


FAQ:

Q: So this means that I’ll actually get my ordered GMK Terror Below set?
A: There are a lot of steps involved, and M&Co’s cooperation will be required to make this success. We’re hoping this process goes smoothly, and we are optimistic that we’ll have M&Co’s cooperation, but situations can also change.

Q: What about GBs x, y, z?
A: For now, CannonKeys will only deliver the Terror Below GB.


Q: I have successfully filed a chargeback for Terror Below but I still want the item, what do I do?
A: For now, CannonKeys will only fulfill orders for those who have been unsuccessful on charging back and getting their money back.

Q: How about the Deskmats for the GB?
A: Unfortunately those have not been paid for/produced, so they are not at the M&Co warehouse and cannot be fulfilled.

Q: How about the metal artisans for the GB?
A: This item has not been delivered, so these orders will not be fulfilled by default. If you’d like your order fulfilled without the artisans, please wait for CannonKeys’ email with next steps.

Q: Can I get a refund?
A: If you have been unsuccessful in filing a chargeback, unfortunately CannonKeys will not be able to refund your order as they do not have the funds from the GB.

LINK TO FORM: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe39q8DAEQYp6DwSx-W78cT-X2tW7jtdiwGcgwjcVkyKghsJA/viewform?pli=1
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: TomDoe on Wed, 02 August 2023, 11:56:03
Uh, so i think the possibility to get an NorDe kit i missed out when i first ordered is rising now? Ordered Basic and Novelty at Candykeys but now need the NorDe kit also. Hopefully there will be a spare kit for me at Candykeys when the dust of this all has settled…
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: lycantivis on Wed, 02 August 2023, 12:13:15
Really dissapointed by the color, too bright. Gonna sell it right away.

Would be nice to see a picture, still waiting on my set here in the UK
here are some other examples
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: diyachronic on Wed, 02 August 2023, 14:05:33
Huge props to CannonKeys, this is unprecedented levels of support. <3

And thanks for the continued effort and updates, Afresh!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: discobbq on Fri, 04 August 2023, 07:38:45
I received the email from m&c, but the link to the consent form does not work.

This is the email:
(https://i.imgur.com/LhyZDuw.png)

This is the linked consent form:
(https://i.imgur.com/UcoxCDy.png)

Has anyone been able to successfully reach the consent form?

---

EDIT: I received a link to this form from CannonKeys, and I also see that Afresh posted the same link on this thread a couple days ago:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe39q8DAEQYp6DwSx-W78cT-X2tW7jtdiwGcgwjcVkyKghsJA/viewform?pli=1
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: Afresh on Fri, 04 August 2023, 09:20:26
I received the email from m&c, but the link to the consent form does not work.

This is the email:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LhyZDuw.png)


This is the linked consent form:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UcoxCDy.png)


Has anyone been able to successfully reach the consent form?

---

EDIT: I received a link to this form from CannonKeys, and I also see that Afresh posted the same link on this thread a couple days ago:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe39q8DAEQYp6DwSx-W78cT-X2tW7jtdiwGcgwjcVkyKghsJA/viewform?pli=1

Check my update
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: Anthixious on Fri, 18 August 2023, 19:01:29
I'm so thankful I looked at this thread for updates. I got the same error when visiting the link that Mechs & Co. sent. Here's hoping I get 100% of my order.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: KeyRelic on Sat, 19 August 2023, 07:48:21

Q: How about the metal artisans for the GB?
A: This item has not been delivered, so these orders will not be fulfilled by default. If you’d like your order fulfilled without the artisans, please wait for CannonKeys’ email with next steps.

Just dropping the line that the KeyRelic's 'The Great Old One' metal artisans were shipped and delivered to the Mechs&Co more than a year ago.


Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Final numbers
Post by: Narcolepsy on Sat, 19 August 2023, 09:50:43

Q: How about the metal artisans for the GB?
A: This item has not been delivered, so these orders will not be fulfilled by default. If you’d like your order fulfilled without the artisans, please wait for CannonKeys’ email with next steps.

Just dropping the line that the KeyRelic's 'The Great Old One' metal artisans were shipped and delivered to the Mechs&Co more than a year ago.

Pretty sure this is in reference to the Thok metal artisans which had been sent to the wrong address and then returned back to Thok.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: firstworldproblems on Sat, 19 August 2023, 10:16:57



Q: How about the metal artisans for the GB?
A: This item has not been delivered, so these orders will not be fulfilled by default. If you’d like your order fulfilled without the artisans, please wait for CannonKeys’ email with next steps.

Just dropping the line that the KeyRelic's 'The Great Old One' metal artisans were shipped and delivered to the Mechs&Co more than a year ago.

Pretty sure this is in reference to the Thok metal artisans which had been sent to the wrong address and then returned back to Thok.

KeyRelic produced a different artisan called  "The Great Old One" and is not related to THOK.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: Narcolepsy on Sat, 19 August 2023, 15:22:24



Q: How about the metal artisans for the GB?
A: This item has not been delivered, so these orders will not be fulfilled by default. If you’d like your order fulfilled without the artisans, please wait for CannonKeys’ email with next steps.

Just dropping the line that the KeyRelic's 'The Great Old One' metal artisans were shipped and delivered to the Mechs&Co more than a year ago.

Pretty sure this is in reference to the Thok metal artisans which had been sent to the wrong address and then returned back to Thok.

KeyRelic produced a different artisan called  "The Great Old One" and is not related to THOK.

And as far as I know, the KeyRelic artisans were picked up by CannonKeys and are being sent out with orders. My invoice from CK did included them. It is only the Thok metal artisans that CK can't fulfill.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: Receptionitis1 on Thu, 24 August 2023, 01:42:00
So what avenues do people that bought deskmats through M&C have? Is there no chance of these ever being fulfilled? Would we be able to order them elsewhere? Partial refund? What's the best course of action here?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 24 August 2023, 03:32:22
So what avenues do people that bought deskmats through M&C have? Is there no chance of these ever being fulfilled? Would we be able to order them elsewhere? Partial refund? What's the best course of action here?

We might be able to offer them again at cost to US buyers but that's still in the works.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: salaxander on Thu, 07 September 2023, 11:39:27
Getting the whole canon keys thing together was amazing! Thank you so much!

For the playmats, is there any possibility of us just being able to purchase the art assets and have them printed ourselves? I had an order for one through M&C, and would still love to find a way to get one :)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: Afresh on Thu, 07 September 2023, 16:08:30
Due to the ongoing issues at Mechs & Co. the invoice for the US deskmats did not get paid. We have however teamed up with our friends at Clackeys to give everyone another chance to get their hands on these products.

We have managed to keep the pricing as low as possible by Clackeys only covering their overhead and there being no designer split.

The MOQ for these will be 100 units per design, with pricing at $16 + p&p. This is a hard MOQ and any design that does not make MOQ will not be created.

If you would like to consider joining please fill out our IC form: https://forms.gle/8fdFUkorBTpqMwFZ6 (https://forms.gle/8fdFUkorBTpqMwFZ6)


Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sun, 17 September 2023, 23:05:07
Extras are live:
Includes keycaps, artisans and deskmats.

https://www.switchkeys.com.au/products/gmk-terror-below
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: TomDoe on Mon, 18 September 2023, 00:47:17
Waiting for Candykeys get those NorDE in Stock. Somebody has info on this?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: DeathShadow on Tue, 19 September 2023, 08:31:06
Waiting for Candykeys get those NorDE in Stock. Somebody has info on this?

CK confirmed he only has like 6 extra sets of NorDE in total, as not many people showed interest and he bought out the MOQ only.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: TomDoe on Tue, 19 September 2023, 08:57:08
Okay, so then any tipps on getting one of those 6 Sets? Already mailed them but as far as i can tell they won’t take reservations on them for customers.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: DeathShadow on Tue, 19 September 2023, 10:20:09
Okay, so then any tipps on getting one of those 6 Sets? Already mailed them but as far as i can tell they won’t take reservations on them for customers.
Join the discord and enable notifications. Be fast as well.
Or you can try mechmarket.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 11 October 2023, 09:53:50
Very disappointed in the difference in colour of the Alphas from the renders to actual set.  Far far too light in colour.  It is more like Terror Above.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: TomDoe on Thu, 12 October 2023, 08:19:11
Very disappointed in the difference in colour of the Alphas from the renders to actual set.  Far far too light in colour.  It is more like Terror Above.

If you don't like it and want to get rid of a NorDE kit you may have, I would take it  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: cthalupa on Sat, 14 October 2023, 16:30:10
Very disappointed in the difference in colour of the Alphas from the renders to actual set.  Far far too light in colour.  It is more like Terror Above.

I think some of this is from not all of the renders having the same lighting. Looking just at the kit renders on a fresh calibrated monitor under a CRI R1-R15 @ 98.5 / R9 @ 98 light they're fairly close. But there's a nearly 50% drop in brightness from the kit renders to some of the board/scene renders that have more dynamic lighting.

Light will have the same effect in real life, too. There's photos of the pantone plastic sample chips under various lighting conditions in the original post and you can see how much that impacts how light vs. dark the colors read.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK Terror Below | Important update for M&Co customers
Post by: spikedsynapse on Fri, 20 October 2023, 11:28:37
Very disappointed in the difference in colour of the Alphas from the renders to actual set.  Far far too light in colour.  It is more like Terror Above.
Cthalupa is exactly right. The goal was to represent what the kits would look like in what I imagine the average usage situation to be: In a dark room, with only your monitors providing light. Then letting people rely on the color chips to see it in other light. If I knew then what I know now I would have done renders in multiple lighting situations to reflect the looks in each situation.

I have to say though, the caps came out exactly as we intended. In the future I will keep this in mind with my renders. You have a valid point and I will adjust the way I work to ensure that, If you join a future GB from Afresh and I, you are not disappointed in our work again.

For now though, I know there are a lot of people who want their own copies of Terror Below as is. I hope you that you will be able to, at a minimum, get your money back from the set by reselling it.

(I hope this all makes sense, I am still under a bit of anesthesia from a procedure as I write this, so if it only makes sense to my addled brain, please know that I wish you the best)