[IC] would there be interest in a PBT/Dye-sub DCS set from SP?

[Matt3o]

It's some time now that I wanted to design a nice set for a DCS set in PBT with dye-sub'd legends.

I know people are not huge fans of SP's DCS that is not double shot, though. I've seen some DCS/PBT, they actually look fine to me, but I understand you like it thick.

The pros of going SP would be:
- huge color selection
- low MOQ
- huge keycap sizes selection, possibility to cover uncommon and weird keyboards
- spacebar available in PBT

The cons are of course:
- not the thickest PBT keycaps on the planet
- warping is "hit or miss"

I would take care of the GB personally this time, so not going through PMK, and I'll take care of QC.

If you are interested, in the coming days I'll post some mock-ups. The legends will be exquisite of course, hand designed one by one

Picture of PBT keycaps by SP



Color scheme

[KatzenKinder]

I'd love to see something with some more subtle color palettes than we see from most double shot sets. I remember seeing someone's caps from a Triumph Adler typewriter and thinking that the shades of blue were very appealing.

I'm a fan of DCS; there are already so many DSA buys.

[tuantruong]

I didn't know PS has PBT until I saw your post... How thick is their PBT keycap ? I have your Skull Squadron set and it was one of my favorite sets, until it got shined.

[Matt3o]

I didn't know PS has PBT until I saw your post... How thick is their PBT keycap ? I have your Skull Squadron set and it was one of my favorite sets, until it got shined.

shined! already?! WOW....

the PBT keys are basically the same thickness of the ABS ones sans the double shot layer

[tuantruong]

Yeah, on L-shift, spacebar and WASD. I'm a hard FPS gamer. 
It got shine after about a year, I guess PBT is my best choice.

[Matt3o]

I've added a picture of the PBT caps in the first post

[MAR82]

Depending on what the set looks like, I'd be down for a DCS set.
I've loved most of your designs so far, and I'm sure I love this one too

[justnits]

if the design n colour is appealing, why not?

[Heliosphere]

Interested if it has an interesting theme/color and the price is relatively low, maybe ~$50-80 range?

[Matt3o]

Interested if it has an interesting theme/color and the price is relatively low, maybe ~$50-80 range?

I guess $50-80 for a TKL is a realistic estimate. I'll post some mockups in the coming hours

[pasph]

QC is the keyword

[00zeRO]

Definitely interested +1

[Shanghaied]

Please do an international language pack or two for us freak letter users!

[ideus]

Too thin.
Sometimes warped.
No squared corners.

[Matt3o]

Please do an international language pack or two for us freak letter users!

international kits are more difficult to manage on DCS, but we will have some for sure.

[rowdy]

Interested if it has an interesting theme/color and the price is relatively low, maybe ~$50-80 range?

I guess $50-80 for a TKL is a realistic estimate. I'll post some mockups in the coming hours

Volume discounts like the PMK group by schemes?

[Matt3o]

Interested if it has an interesting theme/color and the price is relatively low, maybe ~$50-80 range?

I guess $50-80 for a TKL is a realistic estimate. I'll post some mockups in the coming hours

Volume discounts like the PMK group by schemes?

I'll let you know as soon as I have the final mock-ups and a quote

[Matt3o]

the idea would be to do a "simple" space-cadet theme, in DCS+PBT. The legends are not final and there will be a hell lot of options.

[azhdar]

Please do an international language pack or two for us freak letter users!

international kits are more difficult to manage on DCS, but we will have some for sure.

If international kits like granite happens , will buy for sure.

[Kira]

Not a fan of SP.. Can't be alone in that regard (Can I?).

[Razer1987]

Please do an international language pack or two for us freak letter users!

international kits are more difficult to manage on DCS, but we will have some for sure.

If international kits like granite happens , will buy for sure.

Like always, if french azerty is there, i will be there.

[Matt3o]

like I said, international kits are more problematic on DCS (than on DSA), but at least DE/FR/nordic/IT/UK will be there.

[Shanghaied]

like I said, international kits are more problematic on DCS (than on DSA)

Out of curiosity, does this have something to do with the different profiles on the rows?

[ideus]

I wonder why do not use Cherry fonts, are there legal issues that banned their use? They go pretty well with DCS, and the PBT space bar in DCS may interest many.


You can offer the space bar in matching black, gray and beige colors that may interest many to match with existing DCS sets.

[pasph]

If this won't go through PMK who will ship it?
You from EU?

[00zeRO]

If this won't go through PMK who will ship it?
You from EU?

And a proxying benefactor...

[Matt3o]

like I said, international kits are more problematic on DCS (than on DSA)

Out of curiosity, does this have something to do with the different profiles on the rows?

yep. more keys are needed on DCS.

If this won't go through PMK who will ship it?
You from EU?

EU orders are shipped from Italy.

I wonder why do not use Cherry fonts, are there legal issues that banned their use? They go pretty well with DCS, and the PBT space bar in DCS may interest many.

You can offer the space bar in matching black, gray and beige colors that may interest many to match with existing DCS sets.

The font will be carefully picked and surely more attractive than Cherry

Offering spacebars in various colors is definitely a good idea.

[Data]

Your sample reminds me of Round 4 SPH.

Intentional?   

[Matt3o]

Your sample reminds me of Round 4 SPH.

Intentional?   

it's the "space cadet" color scheme, but in DCS and PBT

[ideus]

Space bars in 6.5u, 7u, and other non standard sizes may be offered as well, considering they will be PBT there should be some interest.

[Matt3o]

Space bars in 6.5u, 7u, and other non standard sizes may be offered as well, considering they will be PBT there should be some interest.

I believe only 6.25 and 7 are available in DCS/PBT but I will ask

[BunnyLake]

i like the design sir, and really wanna see more buys like this, for me i think im just gonna have to avoid sp dyesub pbt until we see more consistent results from them

that being said, we cant see those results until we support more stuff like this, and you are certainly the person to support on sets like this specifically

[Matt3o]

i like the design sir, and really wanna see more buys like this, for me i think im just gonna have to avoid sp dyesub pbt until we see more consistent results from them

that being said, we cant see those results until we support more stuff like this, and you are certainly the person to support on sets like this specifically

thanks!

you already know how I think about it

DCS is even more difficult to dyesub compared to DSA, so even more challenging for SP... but maybe with a stricter QC...

[ideus]

Space bars in 6.5u, 7u, and other non standard sizes may be offered as well, considering they will be PBT there should be some interest.

I believe only 6.25 and 7 are available in DCS/PBT but I will ask

Awesome, I only need standard 6.25 but I think the GB would have more appeal with those extra PBT bars.

[00zeRO]

I look forward to see how this turns out

[SL89]

Matt3o i wasnt sure if you addressed this already. But would this be brokered thru MassDrop again or thru the PMK system?

[ideus]

The timing for the GB will be very important with all the alternative GBs happening now and some upcoming.

[00zeRO]

Matt3o i wasnt sure if you addressed this already. But would this be brokered thru MassDrop again or thru the PMK system?

If I may speak for him, for PMK: not no, but hell no. (His feelings, not necessarily mine)

[Heliosphere]

Space cadet theme in DCS? You have my vote.

[Matt3o]

Matt3o i wasnt sure if you addressed this already. But would this be brokered thru MassDrop again or thru the PMK system?

neither of them I'll take care of the GB with the help of a mighty proxy (00zeRO)

[SL89]

Matt3o i wasnt sure if you addressed this already. But would this be brokered thru MassDrop again or thru the PMK system?

neither of them I'll take care of the GB with the help of a mighty proxy (00zeRO)

Roger that, will he have 7bit levels of emoticons? 

[honoka]

The choice of color could work, but I'm having a hard time imagining it on real caps.
But I've been looking for a pbt dyesub set with nordic letters so it'll probably be good

[00zeRO]

Matt3o i wasnt sure if you addressed this already. But would this be brokered thru MassDrop again or thru the PMK system?

neither of them I'll take care of the GB with the help of a mighty proxy (00zeRO)

Roger that, will he have 7bit levels of emoticons? 

That one went over my head...

<Disclaimer: My proxying for this GB will be personal, and will not be in any way related to Mechanical Keyboards, Inc.>

[Melvang]

Can SP even do space bars in PBT DCS now?  Last I knew they were only doing PBT space bars in DSA profile.

[Matt3o]

The choice of color could work, but I'm having a hard time imagining it on real caps.
But I've been looking for a pbt dyesub set with nordic letters so it'll probably be good

this would be a very approximate representation, the blue is actually a bit darker.

[honoka]

Thanks for the example. Now I know what you're planing. Sweet ^^

[bianco]

with numpad...
blue colored ~ and \ keys for symmetry...
with matt3o design

i'm in

[CommonCurt]

Can SP even do space bars in PBT DCS now?  Last I knew they were only doing PBT space bars in DSA profile.

Yeah they can, and they don't look bad either.  The 6.25 that I got doesn't have any warping issues.  However if they have to produce a large quantity of them it might be a different story.

     

The choice of color could work, but I'm having a hard time imagining it on real caps.
But I've been looking for a pbt dyesub set with nordic letters so it'll probably be good

this would be a very approximate representation, the blue is actually a bit darker.

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I like the color scheme.  Any chance of Cherry legends, or did you have something else in mind?

Would you ever consider doing a Olivetti dye-sub DCS set?

[Matt3o]

legends will be lovingly hand crafted one by one. I'll post some mock-ups shortly.

Olivetti is another option, but didn't we have a GB recently for that?

[CommonCurt]

legends will be lovingly hand crafted one by one. I'll post some mock-ups shortly.

Olivetti is another option, but didn't we have a GB recently for that?

Okay, cool.

No Olivetti GB recently that I know of.  jonathanyu is doing a GMK Olivetti IC, but not sure when/if that will happen.

Oh wait. there was that Tai hao GB that had Olivetti as one of the options, but......