Unpopular Keyboard Opinions

[hwood34]

The 456 and 356 Korean keyboards are overhyped and overpriced.  $500 on a custom keyboard is already a **** ton of money, but spending $1k+ on a keyboard is just silly, even if you are making 6 figures or more a year.

who's spending more that $1k on a 456? or plenty of 356 for that matter

Someone apparently.  And I've seen people appraise some of those keyboards north of $1k in the price check thread.  It might have been due to color, but still.

I mean that's with a $140 set, cable, and case, and I still thought that price was pretty high.

[nubbinator]

The 456 and 356 Korean keyboards are overhyped and overpriced.  $500 on a custom keyboard is already a **** ton of money, but spending $1k+ on a keyboard is just silly, even if you are making 6 figures or more a year.

who's spending more that $1k on a 456? or plenty of 356 for that matter

Someone apparently.  And I've seen people appraise some of those keyboards north of $1k in the price check thread.  It might have been due to color, but still.

I mean that's with a $140 set, cable, and case, and I still thought that price was pretty high.

I just have a hard time dropping more than $100 on a keyboard and $250 is probably my max.  The one I spent a ton on was my Kingsaver and that was because it was Alps.  Even that was hard to justify.  When I see people dropping $750+ on a keyboard, it makes me question their sanity.

[jonathanyu]

I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...

[KnivesM]

I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...

I like hyperfuse but I agree on Miami

[tbc]

I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...

miami for sure

[hwood34]

I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...

+1

[Huxley2500]

Blue Cherry MX clicks soothes the soul.

[hwood34]

Blue Cherry MX clicks soothes the soul.

damn straight

[nubbinator]

Blue Cherry MX clicks soothes the soul.

Like nails on a chalkboard to me.  Too damn shrill.

[tbc]

Blue Cherry MX clicks soothes the soul.

#dattruth

[Hiroyuki]

I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...

+1, I agree with you on this one...

[livingspeedbump]

I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...

I have a Miami set and would agree, ha.

[FoC_Tow]

I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...

D=

I <3 both, but I can see how Miami might not fit everyones taste. =)

I have a Miami set and would agree, ha.

If you don't like your Miami set, I wouldn't mind buying one speedbumb! xD

[jonathanyu]

imo, plate with holes for opening switches is ridiculous...   You are not going to change your switches as often as keycaps.  I think most people just stay with the same switches after they assembly the keyboard.  I really don't get the idea of plate with "holes"

[limitz]

imo, plate with holes for opening switches is ridiculous...   You are not going to change your switches as often as keycaps.  I think most people just stay with the same switches after they assembly the keyboard.  I really don't get the idea of plate with "holes"

What if you sell the keyboard and someone else wants a different switch? I've passed on a lot of keyboards in the classifieds b/c I don't feel like desoldering 80+ switches.

Also, it's plausible someone wants to change from a 62g ergo-Clear, to a 68g ergo-Clear. Notched cutouts make that a breeze.

In addition, perhaps several years down the line, you want to relube, notched cutouts make that much easier.

Having switch cutouts doesn't take anything away, but only adds more options.

[HoffmanMyster]

[...] Model Ms [...] suck.

I know you've already explained this, but I still need to call you out for it.

 

[Snowdog993]

[...] Model Ms [...] suck.

I know you've already explained this, but I still need to call you out for it.

 

Why do you care so much what other people think of Model M keyboards?

Good question.  Maybe I shouldn't.  Thanks.

To each their own.  Happy-happy joy-joy.

[Hyde]

Here's a shocker for most of you guys.

I prefer the feel of stock keycaps.



So I've gone through IMSTO PBT, GMK ABS Double Shot ABS, Vortex Double Shot PBT, Vortex Grey PBT Blank (Similar to Poker stock PBT), and in the end I went back to stock thin ABS keycaps on my Filco (MX Red).

I was trying to find the perfect keycaps but in the end PBT is just too harsh for me.  I like how ABS absorbs a bit of the vibration and feels more "comfortable" to use.

Here is another unpopular opinion, I also like the feel of coated backlit keycaps LOLLLLL.

I like the feel of softer keycaps, if only this was more resistant to shine then it would've been perfect.

[nubbinator]

[...] Model Ms [...] suck.

I know you've already explained this, but I still need to call you out for it.

 

Model Ms are the Cherry MY of the Buckling Spring world.  Sure, we call them mechanical, but they're still just mediocre to crappy feeling membrane boards in a fancy suit.

[HoffmanMyster]

Here's a shocker for most of you guys.

I prefer the feel of stock keycaps.



So I've gone through IMSTO PBT, GMK ABS Double Shot ABS, Vortex Double Shot PBT, Vortex Grey PBT Blank (Similar to Poker stock PBT), and in the end I went back to stock thin ABS keycaps on my Filco (MX Red).

I was trying to find the perfect keycaps but in the end PBT is just too harsh for me.  I like how ABS absorbs a bit of the vibration and feels more "comfortable" to use.

Here is another unpopular opinion, I also like the feel of coated backlit keycaps LOLLLLL.

I like the feel of softer keycaps, if only this was more resistant to shine then it would've been perfect.

 

I guess this is good for you, though.  Much cheaper than the alternative.  )

[...] Model Ms [...] suck.

I know you've already explained this, but I still need to call you out for it.

 

Model Ms are the Cherry MY of the Buckling Spring world.  Sure, we call them mechanical, but they're still just mediocre to crappy feeling membrane boards in a fancy suit.

I can agree with MX : F :: MY : M, but I cannot agree that MY ~ M.  M is still a wonderful typing experience, and the same cannot be said about MY.

[nubbinator]

You just haven't tried the Black MY switches or new fresh out the box MY switches.  They feel like a linear version of Model Ms.  Both are disappointing, only one of them is overrated and the other is demonized.

[HoffmanMyster]

You just haven't tried the Black MY switches or new fresh out the box MY switches.  They feel like a linear version of Model Ms.  Both are disappointing, only one of them is overrated and the other is demonized.

I actually just received a Black MY board!   

I still disagree.  But I'm also not a fan of linear switches, so for you to compare them to Model M does not compute in my brain.

[Hyde]

Here's a shocker for most of you guys.

I prefer the feel of stock keycaps.



So I've gone through IMSTO PBT, GMK ABS Double Shot ABS, Vortex Double Shot PBT, Vortex Grey PBT Blank (Similar to Poker stock PBT), and in the end I went back to stock thin ABS keycaps on my Filco (MX Red).

I was trying to find the perfect keycaps but in the end PBT is just too harsh for me.  I like how ABS absorbs a bit of the vibration and feels more "comfortable" to use.

Here is another unpopular opinion, I also like the feel of coated backlit keycaps LOLLLLL.

I like the feel of softer keycaps, if only this was more resistant to shine then it would've been perfect.

 

I guess this is good for you, though.  Much cheaper than the alternative.  )

lol but I only find this out after spending maybe around $500 on various keycaps. 

[jacobolus]

[Cherry MY] feel like a linear version of Model Ms.

This doesn’t make any sense.

If you picked 100 random people off the street, gave them a Model M and a Cherry MY board, not a single one would think they feel remotely similar.

In other words, you win the thread: this is a very unpopular opinion.

[nubbinator]

[Cherry MY] feel like a linear version of Model Ms.

This doesn’t even make sense.

It makes perfect sense.  It feels like the dime a dozen spring over membrane typewriter keyboards that are basically a Model M without a hammer in their operation.  Since they are both spring over membrane (Model Ms just have a hammer), it is not unreasonable to say that it feels like a linear version of a Model M.

[jonathanyu]

I think using phantom with 1.25x bottom row ansi layout in filco stock case is ridiculous

[Snowdog993]

[Cherry MY] feel like a linear version of Model Ms.

This doesn’t even make sense.

It makes perfect sense.  It feels like the dime a dozen spring over membrane typewriter keyboards that are basically a Model M without a hammer in their operation.  Since they are both spring over membrane (Model Ms just have a hammer), it is not unreasonable to say that it feels like a linear version of a Model M.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! 
Okay!  That's your unpopular opinion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[HoffmanMyster]

I think using phantom with 1.25x bottom row ansi layout in filco stock case is ridiculous

But what if you have split backspace and reprogram other aspects of the board? 

[jonathanyu]

I think using phantom with 1.25x bottom row ansi layout in filco stock case is ridiculous

But what if you have split backspace and reprogram other aspects of the board?

I should be more clear, i mean exact same layout as a ansi filco.  I have seen that few time.  I feel that way because you can simply put a different controller in it  and reprogram the whole thing. of course, split backspace is cool 

[HoffmanMyster]

I think using phantom with 1.25x bottom row ansi layout in filco stock case is ridiculous

But what if you have split backspace and reprogram other aspects of the board?

I should be more clear, i mean exact same layout as a ansi filco.  I have seen that few time.  I feel that way because you can simply put a different controller in it  and reprogram the whole thing. of course, split backspace is cool 

I figured that's what you were getting at.    I agree, using the default layout is a bit strange.   

[ander]

LOL, what a funny topic. The forum's delightful bulleted-list feature was made for this.

• Model M's are awesome, but paying 2–3x as much for a SSK? Because they're smaller and cuter or something? Okay, there's the rarity/collectability thing—but what if a sudden career change requires you to become an accountant? Then there you are, stuck with a goofy "embedded" numpad for which you paid all that extra dough. This could happen to any of us.

• 60% keyboards are goofy for most people. But what if you're a coder who uses Vim or Emacs or another text editor that lets you do anything in the universe without moving your arms? In fact, I always assumed 60% were designed for those people, for whom any more % is a waste. If you're not one of these people, don't get a 60% and stop whining.

• Gaming keyboards that look like Star Wars props. Maybe you should just get out more?

• $200 keycaps with little robot faces? Hello? I can't help thinking of "The Emperor's New Clothes", remember that story? Sometimes people indulge in the goofiest things just to feel included. "Yeah, these guys think these little $200 robot-face keycaps are really cool, so they must be worth all that dough. After all, they're not just keycaps—they have little robot faces!" Sorry, but buying into random high-priced stuff just because other people are doing it is a sign of neediness, not individuality. A new Mercedes may be ridiculously overpriced—but unlike an artsy-craftsy un-ergonomic raised-surface keycap, your experience of using it will probably be an improvement. And it actually means something—it's a car.

• Backlighting. So you're looking at your KB when you use it? You're not a touch typist then? This you want to advertise? Blank keys, now, that's impressive. You'd probably want to backlight those too, though.

• The tattoos-all-over-your-body thing. Did you know that for most of the 19th and 20th centuries people like that were considered freaks, and other people paid to gape at them in circus sideshows because they were so horrendously odd? And that now, with so many people transforming themselves into human versions of 1980's airbrushed custom vans, it's not even odd anymore—so all you are is a common freak? What's next, people gluing little robot-face keycaps all over their bodies? (That's why this is keyboard-related, see... I'm prepared for anything.)

[sethk_]

LOL, what a funny topic. The forum's delightful bulleted-list feature was made for this.

• Model M's are awesome, but paying 2–3x as much for a SSK? Because they're smaller and cuter or something? Okay, there's the rarity/collectability thing—but what if a sudden career change requires you to become an accountant? Then there you are, stuck with a goofy "embedded" numpad for which you paid all that extra dough. This could happen to any of us.

• 60% keyboards are goofy for most people. But what if you're a coder who uses Vim or Emacs or another text editor that lets you do anything in the universe without moving your arms? In fact, I always assumed 60% were designed for those people, for whom any more % is a waste. If you're not one of these people, don't get a 60% and stop whining.

• Gaming keyboards that look like Star Wars props. Maybe you should just get out more?

• $200 keycaps with little robot faces? Hello? I can't help thinking of "The Emperor's New Clothes", remember that story? Sometimes people indulge in the goofiest things just to feel included. "Yeah, these guys think these little $200 robot-face keycaps are really cool, so they must be worth all that dough. After all, they're not just keycaps—they have little robot faces!" Sorry, but buying into random high-priced stuff just because other people are doing it is a sign of neediness, not individuality. A new Mercedes may be ridiculously overpriced—but unlike an artsy-craftsy un-ergonomic raised-surface keycap, your experience of using it will probably be an improvement. And it actually means something—it's a car.

• Backlighting. So you're looking at your KB when you use it? You're not a touch typist then? This you want to advertise? Blank keys, now, that's impressive. You'd probably want to backlight those too, though.

• The tattoos-all-over-your-body thing. Did you know that for most of the 19th and 20th centuries people like that were considered freaks, and other people paid to gape at them in circus sideshows because they were so horrendously odd? And that now, with so many people doing that to themselves, it's not even odd anymore—so all you are is a common freak? What's next, people festooning their bodies with little robot-face keycaps? (That's why this is keyboard-related.)

Sure some people might put caps on their board because other people are, but I know I do it to support the artist, because thats what it is, a work of art for your keyboard.

[ander]

I like dancers, too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to hire one to dance on my KB.

Well, okay, maybe if she's wearing a robot mask... That would make a big difference.  :?D

[zombimuncha]

FC660M is the ONE TRUE LAYOUT!

[slaction]

Here we go.....

Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.

*runs and hides in back alley.

[nubbinator]

FC660M is the ONE TRUE LAYOUT!

That is pretty unpopular.  Right up there with love for 75% boards.  There's just so much wasted space.

Here we go.....

Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.

*runs and hides in back alley.

There are more than a few people who feel that way.  I still like them as accent pieces, but everyone feels differently about them.

[ideus]

FC660M is the ONE TRUE LAYOUT!

I like it, but it is really hard to get sets that has the second left shift, and almost impossible to get the space bar with those strange stem positions. In the aesthetics side, the lack of symmetry may be annoying some times.

[zombimuncha]

FC660M is the ONE TRUE LAYOUT!

That is pretty unpopular.  Right up there with love for 75% boards.  There's just so much wasted space.

I like the little strip of whitespace on the side. I find it more relaxing and less oppressive to look at than something like a poker or v60 which I find like a "wall of keys." It's just a little detail that sets the whole thing off nicely.

[sypl]

Here we go.....

Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.

*runs and hides in back alley.

This is unpopular? Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass. And who are these people paying for keys, which the better you are as a typist, the less you look at? Those skull ones are particularly awful.

[fohat.digs]

Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass.

Mandolin creates some stunning artworks, but then they are so nice that you don't want to actually USE them.

[hwood34]

Here we go.....

Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.

*runs and hides in back alley.

This is unpopular? Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass. And who are these people paying for keys, which the better you are as a typist, the less you look at? Those skull ones are particularly awful.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said they hated artisans...

[nubbinator]

Here we go.....

Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.

*runs and hides in back alley.

This is unpopular? Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass. And who are these people paying for keys, which the better you are as a typist, the less you look at? Those skull ones are particularly awful.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said they hated artisans...

You'd have enough to win a Clack auction on eBay.

[Shroomster]

Here we go.....

Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.

*runs and hides in back alley.

This is unpopular? Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass. And who are these people paying for keys, which the better you are as a typist, the less you look at? Those skull ones are particularly awful.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said they hated artisans...

You'd have enough to win a Clack auction on eBay.

Oh Christ, thanks for the giggles. Made my day.

[jamster]

I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion:

I think that stock MX switches are only marginally nicer to type on than a decent quality membrane keyboard. This is based on owning two boards which came with with Clears and Blacks. Both were completely underwhelming. They are not bad, but they are not worth the premiums that mechanical boards usually cost (fortunately my second MX board was massively discounted, and I bought it for an unsual layout and ease of accessing the switch internals).

Mechanical boards can be nice- I've loved my several Model Ms and my Alps boards, but Cherry MX? Nice form factor and key cap options, but from a typing perspective I just don't get the hype.

[HoffmanMyster]

• The tattoos-all-over-your-body thing. Did you know that for most of the 19th and 20th centuries people like that were considered freaks, and other people paid to gape at them in circus sideshows because they were so horrendously odd? And that now, with so many people transforming themselves into human versions of 1980's airbrushed custom vans, it's not even odd anymore—so all you are is a common freak? What's next, people gluing little robot-face keycaps all over their bodies? (That's why this is keyboard-related, see... I'm prepared for anything.)

> Thread for unpopular keyboard opinions

> Calls people freaks for something completely unrelated to keyboards

I know you're just a troll, but come on man.

[henz]

*I simply dont like linear switches.
*I kind of like mx browns.
*I like building keyboards more than i like writing on them.
*Ive never felt the urge to get a artisan cap, and therfore i hate that the classifieds is filled with them , we should get a artisan marketplace.
*I love thick OEM PBT keycaps.

Probably more, but right now, i dont know if they are unpopular

[Barbastruzzolo]

- For me the only correct way to cut, copy, paste with keyboard is RIGHT CTRL + [XCV]. So I don't get all this caps lock remapping thing...
- For the same reason i dislike all keyboards that don't have a right ctrl key (even if i own a Filco Minila in my collection).
- I disdain all keycap sellers that don't make ISO keycaps (especially with Italian legends).
- I don't like Windows keys and I think keyboards are better looking without them.
- I think kilohertz polling rate is useless.
- I think all "gaming" keyboards are ugly.

[hwood34]

- I think all "gaming" keyboards are ugly.

one of the most popular opinions around here )

[Dihedral]

- I disdain all keycap sellers that don't make ISO keycaps (especially with Italian legends).

Let's be realistic here - how many Italians are around here. Yes there are a few, but you've got to accept that you are in a very small minority. A keyset with an Italian legends add-on would sell 5 sets, tops. That is not worth it and will drive up the prices for everyone else.

[azhdar]

- I disdain all keycap sellers that don't make ISO keycaps (especially with Italian legends).

Let's be realistic here - how many Italians are around here. Yes there are a few, but you've got to accept that you are in a very small minority. A keyset with an Italian legends add-on would sell 5 sets, tops. That is not worth it and will drive up the prices for everyone else.

The granite approach : big kit for international users, that can be split. Not sure if any set but Granite can pull this off though.