rolled one...
was going to by the set...
the link is broken :blank:
Deskpads will be available from NovelKeys later on. So you will have your chance to order them with NovelKeys.
Is it possible to order so they all ship at once, ie not paying separate shipping on the deskmat? Thanks.
GLWGB this is set of the year!
Deskpads will be available from NovelKeys later on. So you will have your chance to order them with NovelKeys.
Congratulations, any renders with purple spacebar? Trying to envision the look lol. GL
will there be a graph of week 1 sales?
Congratulations, any renders with purple spacebar? Trying to envision the look lol. GL
Sorry I'm all outta renders! I can give my opinion though, which you didn't ask for. With accent spacebars I always give them a try in the flesh. I find most of the time I prefer alpha coloured, but occasionally the accent ones look fly af. It's a nebulous alchemy of case colour, form factor and keyset. Mod coloured spacebars can do one though. I never liked em.
Congratulations, any renders with purple spacebar? Trying to envision the look lol. GL
Sorry I'm all outta renders! I can give my opinion though, which you didn't ask for. With accent spacebars I always give them a try in the flesh. I find most of the time I prefer alpha coloured, but occasionally the accent ones look fly af. It's a nebulous alchemy of case colour, form factor and keyset. Mod coloured spacebars can do one though. I never liked em.
I appreciate your input friend! :thumb:
Very curious where we're sitting at with numbers.Pretty sure they’re high as a kite.
Seems like a novelty kit would have been ideal for this set. Sooo many good options. I'm a bit surprised.IIRC someone in the chain at GMK was like "no we will not print that" but im sure the IC expands on it more. Still a great looking set if the actual look matches the renders.
I'm curious what GB/extras numbers turned out to be.
It would be nice, NK, to please get an update. This has been stuck in color sampling forever, and it is now being listed as Q4 2022 at NK.
It would be nice, NK, to please get an update. This has been stuck in color sampling forever, and it is now being listed as Q4 2022 at NK.
Got this reply from GMK_Andy, since there's no interest from OP or NK to update anyone. Basically, we're all ****ed until someone makes a decision. I'm considering to cancel my order and just buy something else.
"Hey! Just wanted to comment on this in particular. Regarding Zooted, the color matching process has gone on far longer than expected. This is not something we can control whatsoever if they want to continuously ask for different color samples, this is a decision completely up to the lead vendor (and designer potentially, though we don't interact directly with designers). We only provide samples once they are within our strict tolerances, and are matched by the supplier as well as by us (with this machine - an industry standard used by many industrial manufactures and car makers). If the vendor or designer choose they still want to try a new shade, that is simply not something we have control over. Furthermore, if it seems like they are having trouble, we will point them to some similar colors we have matched in the past as well. I just wanted to clarify this as we calculate a single 2 week color sample turnaround into our estimated timeframe. This is why we strongly, strongly suggest designers and vendors get plastic chip samples or reference multiple calibrated monitors during the design phase, because an order is only officially placed after the vendor approves all colors (so we can begin the sourcing process)."
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/tqprxn/do_you_like_gmk_keycaps/i94i29r/
While that explanation makes sense from their POV, it's ridiculous to think this can take over a year with no ETA in sight. It also means the order hasn't been officially placed. Your money is stuck in limbo.
My apologies, I thought you were lead. I do however, wonder how over a year can be justified for color sampling.
My apologies, I thought you were lead. I do however, wonder how over a year can be justified for color sampling.
My apologies, I thought you were lead. I do however, wonder how over a year can be justified for color sampling.
The justification is wanting to make sure the colors turn out great.
You're (everyone involved) working with other people's money and the vague updates just show that it's still being run like a hobby or a passion project funded by others. Backers are stakeholders, not benefactors.
You're (everyone involved) working with other people's money and the vague updates just show that it's still being run like a hobby or a passion project funded by others. Backers are stakeholders, not benefactors.
This is a hobby... Should it be run like a corporate business strictly to make money? Passion projects made where we are today, and the best people in this community are the people who have made those passion projects without being money hungry.
I completely understand the frustration with the color matching process, but this take isn't it.
I don't think anyone starts out a project with a mediocre end product in mind. I do this for a living, also in the peripherals space.
"I just wanted to clarify this as we calculate a single 2 week color sample turnaround into our estimated timeframe." - If the manufacturer themselves state this, then who dropped the ball? Are they disconnected from reality? Or you mean to tell me there have been ~20 iterations of sampling thus far? I would be unemployed if I gave my boss an ETA like this and then just responded that it's still a WIP a year later.
You're (everyone involved) working with other people's money and the vague updates just show that it's still being run like a hobby or a passion project funded by others. Backers are stakeholders, not benefactors.
I'm also not saying anything new either, people in this hobby just seem to have more tolerance with how others take liberties with their money with zero accountability. These are my 2 cents, which hopefully won't be taken as an attack, but as genuine frustration/feedback coming from being in this hobby for 5 years and seeing very little improvement other than overpriced (looking more at Omni, not so much you) in-stock sets of plastic with **** packaging and vague update pages with 5 or so stages; it's clearly more nuanced than that.
I've never had a bad experience with NK, mind you. My problem is with GMK GBs and how they are run.
You're (everyone involved) working with other people's money and the vague updates just show that it's still being run like a hobby or a passion project funded by others. Backers are stakeholders, not benefactors.
This is a hobby... Should it be run like a corporate business strictly to make money? Passion projects made where we are today, and the best people in this community are the people who have made those passion projects without being money hungry.
I completely understand the frustration with the color matching process, but this take isn't it.
Vendors are a business, they don't run on fun and good intentions. Why should the client assume all the risk with no guarantee or transparency? Take this context into any other business model and tell me it's ok. Once a third party invests their money, it stops being a personal project and turns into a literal purchase and sale agreement which is not being held to the standards it should. In fact, AFAIK, there are no standards, just vague ETAs and disclaimers which basically say "it'll get done eventually".
It's a business which exists because of a hobby, not a hobby that gets the benefit of a business without the obligations (margins are a thing here, aren't they?). Shouldn't vendors hold both designers and manufacturers to a higher standard for their troubles? Until they actually refine the lifecycle from IC to GB, sampling, ordering, manufacture, and delivery in a way that holds everyone accountable, fulfilling GBs will continue to be a ****show.
I don't want to get into a whole thing here, as I understand the frustration. I really do. I will say, and this is not to throw GMK under the bus as I am sure there is more to it, but we have never received a color sample in 2 weeks. Typically its anywhere from 1 month, up to 4 or more months.
With that said, color sampling is NOT delaying this project. It is still in the queue, and color matching will be done way before its time to start production. Again, I am not the lead vendor here so I do not know the exact communication between designer, vendor, and GMK, but I am pretty sure that they just received (or will be receiving soon) the next color sample. With how close the last ones were, I would assume these will be final.
I also want to note that May was the highest output for GMK ever as a company. So lead times will start to get smaller and smaller as they continue the ramp up that they are on.
In terms of financial aspect, with NovelKeys no one is held hostage with money. They are able to get a full refund at any time if they request one. We do not take out fees when we refund. And just another insight to how we (NovelKeys) operates with GMK sets. When we decide to run a set, we aren't doing it as a Group Buy anymore, we do it as a preorder. Meaning that even if we sold 0, we would still move forward with our order. While the financial boost is definitely nice to place the order with GMK, the main reason I do it as preorders is so that anyone who wanted the keycaps is able to secure their spot.
I said I didnt want to get into a whole thing and then typed out a novel. Again, I understand the frustration with the model. But that model is getting better, and is changing. I would expect to see GMK sets going straight to in stock in 2023.
Unfortunately that's what we have to put up with in this hobby, and its no one's fault, neither vendor or gb runner. we are all at GMK's mercy. getting detailed updates doesn't push the timeline any earlier. with a set like zooted that has custom colors it is necessary to get those just right. I am with you regarding the business and money and ****. but it is what it is man. "it'll get done when it gets done". I do hope it gets better in the future. I haven't joined any GMK gbs recently because of the ridiculous leadtimes. I have so many unfulfilled orders that it doesn't make sense to keep adding to the list at this point.
Oh dang I didn't see this last run of posts til now. I was going to get some nice pics to show the samples before posting but I can tell you that the colours have all been approved now. I'll post some pics when I get a chance to get some good ones. Like Mike said, the place in the queue shouldn't have been affected by the colour sampling.
You're (everyone involved) working with other people's money and the vague updates just show that it's still being run like a hobby or a passion project funded by others. Backers are stakeholders, not benefactors.
This is a hobby... Should it be run like a corporate business strictly to make money? Passion projects made where we are today, and the best people in this community are the people who have made those passion projects without being money hungry.
I completely understand the frustration with the color matching process, but this take isn't it.
Vendors are a business, they don't run on fun and good intentions. Why should the client assume all the risk with no guarantee or transparency? Take this context into any other business model and tell me it's ok. Once a third party invests their money, it stops being a personal project and turns into a literal purchase and sale agreement which is not being held to the standards it should. In fact, AFAIK, there are no standards, just vague ETAs and disclaimers which basically say "it'll get done eventually".
It's a business which exists because of a hobby, not a hobby that gets the benefit of a business without the obligations (margins are a thing here, aren't they?). Shouldn't vendors hold both designers and manufacturers to a higher standard for their troubles? Until they actually refine the lifecycle from IC to GB, sampling, ordering, manufacture, and delivery in a way that holds everyone accountable, fulfilling GBs will continue to be a ****show.
Unfortunately that's what we have to put up with in this hobby, and its no one's fault, neither vendor or gb runner. we are all at GMK's mercy. getting detailed updates doesn't push the timeline any earlier. with a set like zooted that has custom colors it is necessary to get those just right. I am with you regarding the business and money and ****. but it is what it is man. "it'll get done when it gets done". I do hope it gets better in the future. I haven't joined any GMK gbs recently because of the ridiculous leadtimes. I have so many unfulfilled orders that it doesn't make sense to keep adding to the list at this point.
I wish I could run part of my business like a meme, like GMK has since before the pandemic.
Also, pictures never came. Calling that out isn't toxicity and it's laughable that people like you bend over backwards to justify this behavior. Designer could have just said nothing, but mentioned the photos and then never posted them. If you think that's fine, well, it's your money. I'd rather not support people who make empty commitments. This time it's pictures, next time it can be poor QC/bad color matching/getting something different than what you paid for.
Also note that on Reddit, GMK tried to shift blame on the designer too, which was subsequently disproven by the vendors in this thread. That's why communication is good for everyone involved, accountability. And how the **** is asking for transparency in any way considered privilege? Have a little self respect and get your money's worth...
So far, I've only seen vendors holding true to their commitments and actually treating backers/clients as such. The rest just pull everything out of their ass and clearly don't give a ****.
I don't think it's lack of self awareness and I have no intention of getting into a discussion over this, it's honestly not worth anyone's time. I just want to underline how frustrating it is to see the way the hobby is handled, it could be so much more if people like this were held to a higher standard.
Over the past few months I've seen NK offer in-stock sets, discounts, promotions, excellent marketing/social media and other A+ business practices. Credit where credit is due, you guys are killing it. GMK and designers though? Eating glue in a corner.
I wish I could run part of my business like a meme, like GMK has since before the pandemic.
Also, pictures never came. Calling that out isn't toxicity and it's laughable that people like you bend over backwards to justify this behavior. Designer could have just said nothing, but mentioned the photos and then never posted them. If you think that's fine, well, it's your money. I'd rather not support people who make empty commitments. This time it's pictures, next time it can be poor QC/bad color matching/getting something different than what you paid for.
Also note that on Reddit, GMK tried to shift blame on the designer too, which was subsequently disproven by the vendors in this thread. That's why communication is good for everyone involved, accountability. And how the **** is asking for transparency in any way considered privilege? Have a little self respect and get your money's worth...
So far, I've only seen vendors holding true to their commitments and actually treating backers/clients as such. The rest just pull everything out of their ass and clearly don't give a ****.
I don't think it's lack of self awareness and I have no intention of getting into a discussion over this, it's honestly not worth anyone's time. I just want to underline how frustrating it is to see the way the hobby is handled, it could be so much more if people like this were held to a higher standard.
Over the past few months I've seen NK offer in-stock sets, discounts, promotions, excellent marketing/social media and other A+ business practices. Credit where credit is due, you guys are killing it. GMK and designers though? Eating glue in a corner.
Sorry you feel like that. You are still able to get a refund of course. Here’s a phone pic for you, this is on my silver Noxary 280s with GMK beige. We’re really happy with the colours and I’m excited to get it into everyone’s hands. Prototypist and Novelkeys have both been great to work with, btw. And GMK’s top tier colour matching meant they basically nailed 4/5 colours first time. And nailed the lot on the second sample.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1n8ugEv.jpg)
I wish I could run part of my business like a meme, like GMK has since before the pandemic.
Also, pictures never came. Calling that out isn't toxicity and it's laughable that people like you bend over backwards to justify this behavior. Designer could have just said nothing, but mentioned the photos and then never posted them. If you think that's fine, well, it's your money. I'd rather not support people who make empty commitments. This time it's pictures, next time it can be poor QC/bad color matching/getting something different than what you paid for.
Also note that on Reddit, GMK tried to shift blame on the designer too, which was subsequently disproven by the vendors in this thread. That's why communication is good for everyone involved, accountability. And how the **** is asking for transparency in any way considered privilege? Have a little self respect and get your money's worth...
So far, I've only seen vendors holding true to their commitments and actually treating backers/clients as such. The rest just pull everything out of their ass and clearly don't give a ****.
I don't think it's lack of self awareness and I have no intention of getting into a discussion over this, it's honestly not worth anyone's time. I just want to underline how frustrating it is to see the way the hobby is handled, it could be so much more if people like this were held to a higher standard.
Over the past few months I've seen NK offer in-stock sets, discounts, promotions, excellent marketing/social media and other A+ business practices. Credit where credit is due, you guys are killing it. GMK and designers though? Eating glue in a corner.
Sorry you feel like that. You are still able to get a refund of course. Here’s a phone pic for you, this is on my silver Noxary 280s with GMK beige. We’re really happy with the colours and I’m excited to get it into everyone’s hands. Prototypist and Novelkeys have both been great to work with, btw. And GMK’s top tier colour matching meant they basically nailed 4/5 colours first time. And nailed the lot on the second sample.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1n8ugEv.jpg)
colors looking good. excited for this set! actually gonna be my first green set ;)
what is the projected delivery date?
Any way for me to still get in on this? :eek:
I wish I could run part of my business like a meme, like GMK has since before the pandemic.
Also, pictures never came. Calling that out isn't toxicity and it's laughable that people like you bend over backwards to justify this behavior. Designer could have just said nothing, but mentioned the photos and then never posted them. If you think that's fine, well, it's your money. I'd rather not support people who make empty commitments. This time it's pictures, next time it can be poor QC/bad color matching/getting something different than what you paid for.
Also note that on Reddit, GMK tried to shift blame on the designer too, which was subsequently disproven by the vendors in this thread. That's why communication is good for everyone involved, accountability. And how the **** is asking for transparency in any way considered privilege? Have a little self respect and get your money's worth...
So far, I've only seen vendors holding true to their commitments and actually treating backers/clients as such. The rest just pull everything out of their ass and clearly don't give a ****.
I don't think it's lack of self awareness and I have no intention of getting into a discussion over this, it's honestly not worth anyone's time. I just want to underline how frustrating it is to see the way the hobby is handled, it could be so much more if people like this were held to a higher standard.
Over the past few months I've seen NK offer in-stock sets, discounts, promotions, excellent marketing/social media and other A+ business practices. Credit where credit is due, you guys are killing it. GMK and designers though? Eating glue in a corner.
Sorry you feel like that. You are still able to get a refund of course. Here’s a phone pic for you, this is on my silver Noxary 280s with GMK beige. We’re really happy with the colours and I’m excited to get it into everyone’s hands. Prototypist and Novelkeys have both been great to work with, btw. And GMK’s top tier colour matching meant they basically nailed 4/5 colours first time. And nailed the lot on the second sample.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1n8ugEv.jpg)
what is the projected delivery date?
I've asked for an updated eta. Will post as soon as I know it.
what is the projected delivery date?
I've asked for an updated eta. Will post as soon as I know it.
how about that shipping update?
what is the projected delivery date?
I've asked for an updated eta. Will post as soon as I know it.
how about that shipping update?
I’m still waiting to hear. Will post when I do.
what is the projected delivery date?
I've asked for an updated eta. Will post as soon as I know it.
GMK been kinda slow to provide updates lately. Krelbit didn't even know Muted shipped to him until it practically arrived at his door, despite constantly asking for tracking/updates the weeks leading up to delivery.
how about that shipping update?
I’m still waiting to hear. Will post when I do.
thanks for the response. that's crazy they are taking so long to get back to an update request - especially since we are now past the predicted delivery date
Just replying here and fully speculating here - as its probably a combination of things. This could be an issue of the designer asking the lead vendor to ask GMK. Which means theres a couple steps to get a direct answer. I really do not know.
But we actually have a google sheet that we share with GMK that has all the current timelines and progress on open projects. Our current timeline on this shows its in production and expected to be completed in December.
Just replying here and fully speculating here - as its probably a combination of things. This could be an issue of the designer asking the lead vendor to ask GMK. Which means theres a couple steps to get a direct answer. I really do not know.
But we actually have a google sheet that we share with GMK that has all the current timelines and progress on open projects. Our current timeline on this shows its in production and expected to be completed in December.
Extras are in stock over on Prototypist. Hope Novelkeys starts shipping soon.
Extras are in stock over on Prototypist. Hope Novelkeys starts shipping soon.
If I'm in the US you think I should wait to see if NovelKeys has extras or just buy from Prototypist? This is my first time trying to buy group buy extras and don't want to get screwed on shipping if I don't have to.
If this looks like some of the pics I’ve seen of it irl then I’m not gonna lie I dodged a bullet here(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/3958/4834/products/image_456ec686-75d8-41bf-9c13-9ba130c99c38_1000x.png)
Edit: was gonna embed a pic but **** doing that on my phone I can wait till the morning lol
If this looks like some of the pics I’ve seen of it irl then I’m not gonna lie I dodged a bullet here
Edit: was gonna embed a pic but **** doing that on my phone I can wait till the morning lolShow Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/3958/4834/products/image_456ec686-75d8-41bf-9c13-9ba130c99c38_1000x.png)
Someone hasn't been keeping up with the gaming scene. Point being it's good to mention here so people know what they're getting.If this looks like some of the pics I’ve seen of it irl then I’m not gonna lie I dodged a bullet here
Edit: was gonna embed a pic but **** doing that on my phone I can wait till the morning lolShow Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/3958/4834/products/image_456ec686-75d8-41bf-9c13-9ba130c99c38_1000x.png)
Really feels like Geekhack one of the last few places I can come to read people complain about things that they didn't even buy. Thank you.
If this looks like some of the pics I’ve seen of it irl then I’m not gonna lie I dodged a bullet here
Edit: was gonna embed a pic but **** doing that on my phone I can wait till the morning lolShow Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/3958/4834/products/image_456ec686-75d8-41bf-9c13-9ba130c99c38_1000x.png)
I’m usually the first person to complain when colors are off. But I got exactly what I was expecting to get. I don’t see a problem with this set. Even the Rama came out nice.That's good to hear then. As much as I love complaining things are much better when they come out nice. Might have to grab an extra of this set then :)
haven't looked forward to a set this much since greg, salvun was worth the waitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/pRGomd1.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lOLdTbi.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYGXwKb.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1ZUlzEz.jpg)
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