Post by: Krakob on Sat, 18 February 2017, 17:09:05
GROUP BUY HERE (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88361)
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GMK NorDeUK is simply put an effort to bring GMK caps to a large portion of the European community. I am aiming for a minimal price by cutting out (almost) all of that unnecessary American rabble, shipping from Sweden, and minimising profits. Combined with having a single unified set, MOQ should be easy to reach!
Compatibility:
- Tenkeyless
- 60%
- 65%
- Winkeyless
- HHKB
- ANSI, albeit legends may be incorrect
- Loads of customs, Id imagine!
Covered languages:
- English (Traditional)
- German
- Swedish / Finnish
- Norwegian
- Danish
Pricing:
The MOQ is 150 at most, but I have asked GMK if they are willing to go lower given that its a community effort.
Pricing will be per kit from GMK + VAT + shipping + 10 as a safety margin. Im hoping for it to be closer to 100 than 150 but I cant really say yet.
Shipping will be insured and tracked packages sent through PostNord.
About me:
I can imagine this post looks a bit fishy given my low post count, hence an introduction is in order. I am primarily a user of /r/mk and a mod of the accompanying Discord. I started out with keyboards way back when my sister called me from DreamHack, saying that SteelSeries was selling mechanical keyboards (6Gv2) for cheap and offered to buy one for me. Of course I said yes and roughly a year later I entered the community looking for a better keyboard which lead me to a Ducky Shine 2. From there on it was just a hazy sequence of poor choices and failed rehabilitation.
The set was developed with the help of friends on the MechKeys Discord and after a bit of reiterating, we got the set as seen in this thread.
Post by: Ball-o-tron on Sat, 18 February 2017, 17:43:49
Edit: Isn't the dot usually a tilde?
Post by: ehmlis on Sat, 18 February 2017, 17:47:03
Post by: Burt Macklin on Sat, 18 February 2017, 18:13:21
Any ETA?
Post by: vegs on Sat, 18 February 2017, 18:40:17
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 18 February 2017, 19:21:51
Post by: longtran1568 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 01:23:53
Thanks for the effort! A cheap and universal ISO kit like this is very much needed!
I just want to ask for the addition of 3 R1 keys: Del, End and Page Down.
I am currently using a custom 96 keys layout, similar to ZZ96 and RS96. Leopold 1800 layout is also quite similar. For those layouts you would need to have those 3 keys on the top of the numpad (R1).
If this kit could also have it, you would have a buyer!
Thanks.
Post by: longtran1568 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 01:25:51
Wouldn't be worth replacing ANSI keys with NorDe equivalents rather than having both?
This. This set is meant for ISO users so we can omit those ANSI keys
Post by: pattulus on Sun, 19 February 2017, 02:10:59
I really like the idea. But I'm not sold because of the color choice. The classic black and white look is the epitome of simplicity. I get that. But why not go all-in with a more interesting color story.
I'd also love to see the Planck and Ergodox typed out in the compatibility list rather than "lots of customs" this would give me a warm feeling of being included. I'd know that I'm on the safe side keycap-wise.
Post by: twk on Sun, 19 February 2017, 02:15:58
Post by: diiiP on Sun, 19 February 2017, 02:44:42
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 February 2017, 03:31:04
YesIt's different for all covered languages, meaning we'd need to add 5 caps, which is more cost than it's worth. As such I want to replace it with a generic key, or possibly a blank.
Edit: Isn't the dot usually a tilde?
Sounds great ;DNone yet! Hopefully we'll be finalise the design within a week or two and submit to GMK, after which it's just a matter of sorting out logistics and getting the GB running!
Any ETA?
Hi,This is something I've considered. However, I'm not keen on introducing three more keys. What I do wonder is if it would be reasonable to change the mentioned keys to R1 instead, as it'll make the kit better for a lot of non-standard layouts while still being pretty much the same for TKL, considering that they're not part of the main cluster anyway.
Thanks for the effort! A cheap and universal ISO kit like this is very much needed!
I just want to ask for the addition of 3 R1 keys: Del, End and Page Down.
I am currently using a custom 96 keys layout, similar to ZZ96 and RS96. Leopold 1800 layout is also quite similar. For those layouts you would need to have those 3 keys on the top of the numpad (R1).
If this kit could also have it, you would have a buyer!
Thanks.
Wouldn't be worth replacing ANSI keys with NorDe equivalents rather than having both?The only ANSI caps included are left shift, enter, and pipe (blank). This is to make the set compatible with HHKB as well as ANSI, for the Eu users who prefer ANSI as well as any buyers who might just want a cheap WoB GMK set. The keys shown in the main cluster are ISO UK with all Nordic/DE caps shown below.
My thoughts:I chose white on black in order to make it a simple set that can appeal to a wide audience, even if it's not their preferred colourway. The intention of the set is to make it appeal to as many Nordic/German/UK users as possible in order to make sure we can reach MOQ. While it's not a super interesting set design wise, this isn't really the place for innovation.
I really like the idea. But I'm not sold because of the color choice. The classic black and white look is the epitome of simplicity. I get that. But why not go all-in with a more interesting color story.
I'd also love to see the Planck and Ergodox typed out in the compatibility list rather than "lots of customs" this would give me a warm feeling of being included. I'd know that I'm on the safe side keycap-wise.
Sadly, Ergodox and Planck will not be covered. They add too many keys and will raise the price too much, making MOQ harder to hit.
Post by: dorf on Sun, 19 February 2017, 03:51:33
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 19 February 2017, 03:56:16
Not those. I mean the number strip and the non alphabetic keys.Wouldn't be worth replacing ANSI keys with NorDe equivalents rather than having both?The only ANSI caps included are left shift, enter, and pipe (blank).
Something like this.
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Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 February 2017, 04:09:08
Not those. I mean the number strip and the non alphabetic keys.Wouldn't be worth replacing ANSI keys with NorDe equivalents rather than having both?The only ANSI caps included are left shift, enter, and pipe (blank).
Something like this.
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Those are ISO UK ;)
Post by: longtran1568 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 04:09:28
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I do wonder is if it would be reasonable to change the mentioned keys to R1 instead, as it'll make the kit better for a lot of non-standard layouts while still being pretty much the same for TKL, considering that they're not part of the main cluster anyway.
That would be a neat idea. Looking forward to this :)
About color, you could throw in many colors, then make a poll to see which will get more sale.
Post by: grayish on Sun, 19 February 2017, 04:10:09
Post by: thel on Sun, 19 February 2017, 05:06:26
Post by: Mechboards on Sun, 19 February 2017, 05:57:46
Post by: Blackhawk on Sun, 19 February 2017, 06:04:29
EDIT: Have you thought about including "E" and "M΅" keys as well?
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 19 February 2017, 06:18:50
Those are ISO UKLook again.
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 February 2017, 06:28:51
I am definitly intersted. Do you already have a timeline?Hoping to finish up the IC within two weeks and request a quote. After that it's just a matter of waiting and launching!
Somewhat interested, but the lack of a proper left numberrow key is a killer. I strongly prefer correct legends for all languages at an extra cost. I'm also in favor of changing the the 1.25u R2 ANSI key above the enter to #' or '* (similar to the HADapter kit - it might even be worth it to include both).My philosophy was to unconditionally include correct secondary legends, while discarding tertiary legends if it would mean one set got the correct legend while others wouldn't, e.g. +? is correct for Danish and Norwegian, but it should be +?\ for Swedish. I think it's better to discard the backslash in this case as it will still be "correct" for Swedish, even if it misses a backslash.
EDIT: Have you thought about including "E" and "M΅" keys as well?
I did consider legending the 1.5u key but it would require four keycaps to be added as you'd need to have the UK, DE, and Nordic variants plus a backspace (or is it delete?) to cover HHKB. Since it's more of a modifier key plainly in terms of size and position I think it's fine for it to be blank in this case.
As for secondary legends on letters (@, , Mu), I chose to discard them as they aren't part of ISO UK and would have to add three keys, which isn't worth the price in this case.
Well I want to keep it very simple in order to make sure it has a broad appeal, so it pretty much boiled down to white on black or black on white. However, black on white can be found on vintage Cherry boards and can be produced through dyesubbing PBT. Therefore I believe the set will have a stronger spot on the market as black on white, since there's a larger gap to fill. In fact, I'm not sure if any white on black double shot sets that cover nordic/german have made it to the market.QuoteI do wonder is if it would be reasonable to change the mentioned keys to R1 instead, as it'll make the kit better for a lot of non-standard layouts while still being pretty much the same for TKL, considering that they're not part of the main cluster anyway.
That would be a neat idea. Looking forward to this :)
About color, you could throw in many colors, then make a poll to see which will get more sale.
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 February 2017, 06:32:31
Those are ISO UKLook again.
Looking as hard as I can and disregarding tilde and the tertiary legend on 4, it's matching the images I'm finding on Google. https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/uk-layout.svg and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/ISO_keyboard_(105)_QWERTY_UK.svg/750px-ISO_keyboard_(105)_QWERTY_UK.svg.png
Post by: Blackhawk on Sun, 19 February 2017, 06:51:57
Somewhat interested, but the lack of a proper left numberrow key is a killer. I strongly prefer correct legends for all languages at an extra cost. I'm also in favor of changing the the 1.25u R2 ANSI key above the enter to #' or '* (similar to the HADapter kit - it might even be worth it to include both).My philosophy was to unconditionally include correct secondary legends, while discarding tertiary legends if it would mean one set got the correct legend while others wouldn't, e.g. +? is correct for Danish and Norwegian, but it should be +?\ for Swedish. I think it's better to discard the backslash in this case as it will still be "correct" for Swedish, even if it misses a backslash.
EDIT: Have you thought about including "E" and "M΅" keys as well?
I did consider legending the 1.5u key but it would require four keycaps to be added as you'd need to have the UK, DE, and Nordic variants plus a backspace (or is it delete?) to cover HHKB. Since it's more of a modifier key plainly in terms of size and position I think it's fine for it to be blank in this case.
As for secondary legends on letters (@, , Mu), I chose to discard them as they aren't part of ISO UK and would have to add three keys, which isn't worth the price in this case.
I was refering to the one you left as a dot in the mockup (~` in ANSI layout, ½§ in danish etc.). I can get behind the choice of disregarding the tertiary legends.
Regarding the 1.5u pipe key: I might be in the minority but I exclusive use the standard ANSI layout, so having a blank key greatly detracts from the aesthetic of the set. However your argument for not including those keys is valid. Maybe this set is not for me.
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 19 February 2017, 07:05:41
The yellow keys are optional.
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For your convenience, KLE source is here (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c97b4468f769d80e276331ca21ff80d5).
Post by: ricyuyc on Sun, 19 February 2017, 07:13:19
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 February 2017, 10:05:04
These are the differences between UK and the NORDE kit that Wodan proposed (https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-the-ultimate-norde-kit-for-gmk-t14443.html).I'm not seeing the miss match here. UK, DE, Swedish/Finnish, Danish, and Norwegian are all covered. While I did base it on Wodan's kit I did make a few small changes and I based it on UK ISO since ANSI was not the goal.
The yellow keys are optional.
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For your convenience, KLE source is here (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c97b4468f769d80e276331ca21ff80d5).
Would you consider to include Dvorak(English) add-on kit on this classic set?I won't, it requires too many keys for a relatively uncommon niche that would be better handled by a uniform profile.
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 19 February 2017, 12:01:52
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 February 2017, 15:32:37
Ok, sorry, I was focusing on the Norde part of the kit and forgot it also had to include the UK layout.
You had me confused there! :P
In other news, updating the image tomorrow. The tilde (dotted R1) key will be replaced with a blank unless we can come up with something better. R2 of the nav cluster (delete, end, page down) will be turned into R1. This will allow for better fit to 65% boards as the nav cluster, in that case located on the rightmost column, will not be a mess of R1 and R2 caps. It will also be nice for 75% boards depending on layout. For TKLs, this will be a slight deviation from standard but I'm pretty confident it's the better design choice. I did consider uniform R2, but it would not blend with the top row of 75%s as well.
Post by: ricyuyc on Sun, 19 February 2017, 18:19:19
Thank you Sir. I would join still if you would ship to Hong Kong in affordable shipping cost. ;)These are the differences between UK and the NORDE kit that Wodan proposed (https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-the-ultimate-norde-kit-for-gmk-t14443.html).I'm not seeing the miss match here. UK, DE, Swedish/Finnish, Danish, and Norwegian are all covered. While I did base it on Wodan's kit I did make a few small changes and I based it on UK ISO since ANSI was not the goal.
The yellow keys are optional.
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For your convenience, KLE source is here (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c97b4468f769d80e276331ca21ff80d5).Would you consider to include Dvorak(English) add-on kit on this classic set?I won't, it requires too many keys for a relatively uncommon niche that would be better handled by a uniform profile.
Post by: Gosnat on Mon, 20 February 2017, 01:20:55
Post by: maximm on Mon, 20 February 2017, 01:24:46
Post by: hansichen on Mon, 20 February 2017, 02:41:21
I don't like the idea. Releasing popular sets with an optional NOR/DE works well enough. We get a great set, and a chance for a NOR/DE set as well.
Plum is at 28/100 orders at the moment. I don't think that it will not the 100. Terminal failed hitting the 100 too. And even if it would hit it is at a price of 200+ for most europeans. If this kit stays at <150$ everyone has a affordable chance getting norde. And there are quite many people who only want norde sets, those people wouldn't buy a normal plum set.
Post by: wodan on Mon, 20 February 2017, 02:45:45
That kit has the potential to get close enough to 100 for GMK to give in and still make it despite missing MOQ. they WANT to make international kits and serve the EU market better!
Same with the GMK Carbon international kit that we also got despite missing MOQ ... don't be so negative, have faith.
Post by: Applet on Mon, 20 February 2017, 02:55:33
In other news, updating the image tomorrow. The tilde (dotted R1) key will be replaced with a blank unless we can come up with something better.Maybe you could have a community cap or something else that's a bit more fun than a blank? :) Maybe reuse some existing novelty cap? (please not the cherry-icon tho)
Since it covers HHKB-layout, I might join it for the good cause (if I can afford it when it goes live), the Swedish caps might come in handy some day, you never know :P
Post by: hansichen on Mon, 20 February 2017, 03:08:21
I am assuming PLUM International is approaching ~50 as we speak, the 28 is from 17th of feb.You are right, numbers should be at 45-50 now. We will see if they'll produce it. Either way, I think that this is a good set to spread some norde love
That kit has the potential to get close enough to 100 for GMK to give in and still make it despite missing MOQ. they WANT to make international kits and serve the EU market better!
Same with the GMK Carbon international kit that we also got despite missing MOQ ... don't be so negative, have faith.
Post by: kevral on Mon, 20 February 2017, 03:55:06
Thanks, this is a very good idea!
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 20 February 2017, 03:58:56
Feedback needed:
What do we do with the top left key that is currently a dot? Given that its not the same for any of the languages (and its frequent replacement by escape in 60% boards), it would be relatively expensive to properly legend it. Some symbol is ideal but making an entirely new novelty cap will raise the price, which is not quite whats being aimed at.
I liked the idea GMK Terminal had. They had a blank key there. Then no one has the wrong symbol :)
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 20 February 2017, 04:05:11
Not those. I mean the number strip and the non alphabetic keys.Wouldn't be worth replacing ANSI keys with NorDe equivalents rather than having both?The only ANSI caps included are left shift, enter, and pipe (blank).
Something like this.
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Those are ISO UK ;)
Not sure if it would annoy other people but any chance of the 4 key having $ and symbols on it?
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 20 February 2017, 04:08:16
I don't like the idea. Releasing popular sets with an optional NOR/DE works well enough. We get a great set, and a chance for a NOR/DE set as well.
Plum is at 28/100 orders at the moment. I don't think that it will not the 100. Terminal failed hitting the 100 too. And even if it would hit it is at a price of 200+ for most europeans. If this kit stays at <150$ everyone has a affordable chance getting norde. And there are quite many people who only want norde sets, those people wouldn't buy a normal plum set.
I suspect Terminal would have done a lot better on Massdrop :( But the price was also a killer for it
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 20 February 2017, 04:10:12
My thoughts:
I really like the idea. But I'm not sold because of the color choice. The classic black and white look is the epitome of simplicity. I get that. But why not go all-in with a more interesting color story.
I agree that the white on black is not amazing for me. But finding a colour everyone is happy with might be a challenge
Post by: Applet on Mon, 20 February 2017, 04:23:18
Post by: dorf on Mon, 20 February 2017, 04:34:59
For me I would say that I have a larger need to insert "extra" keys such as a function key to the right of right shift on smaller boards. I do not have this need on a TKL. And if you are considering changing rows to match 65% and 75%, I would say that it's not fully TKL compatible. I'm not saying that this is bad. Look at the kit that Zennasyndroxx made. I love it with all the special sizes of keys which lets me configure my GH60. So it's more important for me to have legends correct than compromises. symbol on E and ΅ on M would be a bonus.
Post by: maximm on Mon, 20 February 2017, 04:59:52
This will never reach MOQ, as the only reason for getting this is the nordic legends. Very few others will buy it. So it will still have exactly the same issues as any nordic addition to other sets, which still have the advantage of being popular to the 500+ MOQ limits.
Post by: dorf on Mon, 20 February 2017, 05:12:11
Post by: maximm on Mon, 20 February 2017, 05:28:58
Post by: Krakob on Mon, 20 February 2017, 08:32:05
Hong Kong shipping will be possible, but I can't say what the price will be yet. I believe it will be the same price for everyone except swedes, though!Thank you Sir. I would join still if you would ship to Hong Kong in affordable shipping cost. ;)These are the differences between UK and the NORDE kit that Wodan proposed (https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-the-ultimate-norde-kit-for-gmk-t14443.html).I'm not seeing the miss match here. UK, DE, Swedish/Finnish, Danish, and Norwegian are all covered. While I did base it on Wodan's kit I did make a few small changes and I based it on UK ISO since ANSI was not the goal.
The yellow keys are optional.
(Attachment Link)
For your convenience, KLE source is here (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c97b4468f769d80e276331ca21ff80d5).Would you consider to include Dvorak(English) add-on kit on this classic set?I won't, it requires too many keys for a relatively uncommon niche that would be better handled by a uniform profile.
If I'm jumping on this I would like all legends correct so for me you need to include @ on 2, £ on 3 and \ on + so that all keys are "swedish".As I discussed briefly earlier, the philosophy behind the set is that all secondary legends must be correct, but tertiary legends (including and mu) will not be included if it means the set will require more keycaps.
For me I would say that I have a larger need to insert "extra" keys such as a function key to the right of right shift on smaller boards. I do not have this need on a TKL. And if you are considering changing rows to match 65% and 75%, I would say that it's not fully TKL compatible. I'm not saying that this is bad. Look at the kit that Zennasyndroxx made. I love it with all the special sizes of keys which lets me configure my GH60. So it's more important for me to have legends correct than compromises. symbol on E and ΅ on M would be a bonus.
The change I proposed was to make Del, End, and PgDn R1, nothing else. I agree that it's not truly TKL compatible but since it's not part of the main cluster it's pretty negligible. Just wanna make sure we're on the same page ;)
A new novelty cap would increase the price more than I'd like. Reusing a novelty cap is not a bad idea, but I have no clue what we'd actually use in that case. Since it's a minimalist set, I'm not sure if there is anything that will fit and look better than a blank.In other news, updating the image tomorrow. The tilde (dotted R1) key will be replaced with a blank unless we can come up with something better.Maybe you could have a community cap or something else that's a bit more fun than a blank? :) Maybe reuse some existing novelty cap? (please not the cherry-icon tho)
Since it covers HHKB-layout, I might join it for the good cause (if I can afford it when it goes live), the Swedish caps might come in handy some day, you never know :P
Nope. That is only part of ISO UK. ISO DE does not have the sign there, so we're skipping it.Not those. I mean the number strip and the non alphabetic keys.Wouldn't be worth replacing ANSI keys with NorDe equivalents rather than having both?The only ANSI caps included are left shift, enter, and pipe (blank).
Something like this.
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Those are ISO UK ;)
Not sure if it would annoy other people but any chance of the 4 key having $ and symbols on it?
I don't like the idea. Releasing popular sets with an optional NOR/DE works well enough. We get a great set, and a chance for a NOR/DE set as well.and
Yeah, but what you get here is a WoB set with nordic legends.I understand the skepticism but I also believe there's a few good reasons this will succeed:
This will never reach MOQ, as the only reason for getting this is the nordic legends. Very few others will buy it. So it will still have exactly the same issues as any nordic addition to other sets, which still have the advantage of being popular to the 500+ MOQ limits.
1. It's being shipped within Europe, reducing shipping prices.
2. It's also not subject to import tax, which can be very steep.
3. It's being run minimum profit, meaning it will undercut competition pretty well.
4. There have been few successful international kits, resulting in german and nordic buyers often being left out. UK tends to have a bit more luck but it's often not true ISO UK and just ANSI + the three extra keys.
All in all these factors will contribute to a pretty large amount of potential buyers with strong incentives to join in.
Post by: Krakob on Mon, 20 February 2017, 10:36:31
I'll leave the set design open to discussion until Friday or so, but I think the set is more or less done. Thanks for the feedback so far!
Ed, Edd 'n Eddit: Sierra (Discord mod; credit where credit is due) suggested the GMK or Cherry logo is used for the tilde. I think this is a great idea as it doesn't leave a hole in the design while also playing nicely with the icon modifier theme and paying homage to Cherry, the original creators of our beloved switches and also the very tools these keycaps will be made with! The GMK logo was also suggested, but I honestly think it just doesn't look as good and wouldn't fit the iconography. You can find the GMK logo at the bottom here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=84756.0;attach=158456;image
Edit 2: changed again! Changed Super to Code and added Cherry logo.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 20 February 2017, 13:03:10
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It would give correct legends while keeping the price low by separating ansi and UK keys.
Post by: Krakob on Mon, 20 February 2017, 13:16:32
would you consider running this split into three kits like this:
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It would give correct legends while keeping the price low by separating ansi and UK keys.
One of the core principles of the set is that it will not be split. In most GBs, you have ANSI as the default. For international support it's often just the bare necessities for ISO, maybe enough for correct ISO UK if you're lucky. German and nordic packs very often fail to hit MOQ due to all the segregation, which is pretty much why this set is run. From a business point of view, it makes sense because it means you can get more ANSI/US buyers by having a lower price, and if there are enough who are willing to buy an international kit, you can get those as well.
By combining our efforts into a single amount of purchases, it means we'll have a much easier time reaching MOQ as instead of having 50 going for the UK kit, 30 for the German kit, and 20 for the Nordic kit we'll get maybe 80-90 people going for the full kit instead. Some buyers will be lost due to the inherent cost of a bigger kit but it's just about the only solution we have to this issue until the keyboard community has grown a whole lot more, or until manufacturers drop their MOQs. In GMK's case, they've already dropped from 250 to 150, and I believe they've run international add-on kits at less. As mentioned in the OP, I'm hoping they'll be willing to run this kit even if we don't hit 150, but we can't know for sure yet.
Should the GB end before we hit the MOQ, I will of course contact them and see if they'll run it at whatever amount we are at then. If not, we'll simply have to cancel.
Post by: mathiasn on Mon, 20 February 2017, 13:18:17
Post by: Krakob on Mon, 20 February 2017, 13:37:10
We-ell :-\, DE :D :thumb:, but black :(.
To quote myself from last page
Quote from: Krakob
Well I want to keep it very simple in order to make sure it has a broad appeal, so it pretty much boiled down to white on black or black on white. However, black on white can be found on vintage Cherry boards and can be produced through dyesubbing PBT. Therefore I believe the set will have a stronger spot on the market as black on white, since there's a larger gap to fill. In fact, I'm not sure if any white on black double shot sets that cover nordic/german have made it to the market.If you're looking for German black on white caps of similar quality, I believe you may have a relatively easy time finding them on vintage Cherry boards :)
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 20 February 2017, 14:02:08
Post by: pomk on Mon, 20 February 2017, 14:15:10
would you consider running this split into three kits like this:
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It would give correct legends while keeping the price low by separating ansi and UK keys.
One of the core principles of the set is that it will not be split. In most GBs, you have ANSI as the default. For international support it's often just the bare necessities for ISO, maybe enough for correct ISO UK if you're lucky. German and nordic packs very often fail to hit MOQ due to all the segregation, which is pretty much why this set is run. From a business point of view, it makes sense because it means you can get more ANSI/US buyers by having a lower price, and if there are enough who are willing to buy an international kit, you can get those as well.
By combining our efforts into a single amount of purchases, it means we'll have a much easier time reaching MOQ as instead of having 50 going for the UK kit, 30 for the German kit, and 20 for the Nordic kit we'll get maybe 80-90 people going for the full kit instead. Some buyers will be lost due to the inherent cost of a bigger kit but it's just about the only solution we have to this issue until the keyboard community has grown a whole lot more, or until manufacturers drop their MOQs. In GMK's case, they've already dropped from 250 to 150, and I believe they've run international add-on kits at less. As mentioned in the OP, I'm hoping they'll be willing to run this kit even if we don't hit 150, but we can't know for sure yet.
Should the GB end before we hit the MOQ, I will of course contact them and see if they'll run it at whatever amount we are at then. If not, we'll simply have to cancel.
OK, fair enough. Would you then consider supporting the 'included' layouts fully, maybe at the expense of some less used keys like the WKL bottom row?
Sorry for the quotation marks, but I can't agree that a set supports some locale until my gandpa would be a able to enter an email address using the keys.
Post by: Krakob on Mon, 20 February 2017, 15:03:58
I totally understand, but I think the use case for WKL and such is bigger than the need for tertiary legends is. The biggest issue with those is that we'd have to add a pretty big amount of keys in order to satisfy all of the included locales, which raises the price and in turn makes MOQ harder to reach, making it contrary to the goal of this set.would you consider running this split into three kits like this:
(Attachment Link)
It would give correct legends while keeping the price low by separating ansi and UK keys.
One of the core principles of the set is that it will not be split. In most GBs, you have ANSI as the default. For international support it's often just the bare necessities for ISO, maybe enough for correct ISO UK if you're lucky. German and nordic packs very often fail to hit MOQ due to all the segregation, which is pretty much why this set is run. From a business point of view, it makes sense because it means you can get more ANSI/US buyers by having a lower price, and if there are enough who are willing to buy an international kit, you can get those as well.
By combining our efforts into a single amount of purchases, it means we'll have a much easier time reaching MOQ as instead of having 50 going for the UK kit, 30 for the German kit, and 20 for the Nordic kit we'll get maybe 80-90 people going for the full kit instead. Some buyers will be lost due to the inherent cost of a bigger kit but it's just about the only solution we have to this issue until the keyboard community has grown a whole lot more, or until manufacturers drop their MOQs. In GMK's case, they've already dropped from 250 to 150, and I believe they've run international add-on kits at less. As mentioned in the OP, I'm hoping they'll be willing to run this kit even if we don't hit 150, but we can't know for sure yet.
Should the GB end before we hit the MOQ, I will of course contact them and see if they'll run it at whatever amount we are at then. If not, we'll simply have to cancel.
OK, fair enough. Would you then consider supporting the 'included' layouts fully, maybe at the expense of some less used keys like the WKL bottom row?
Sorry for the quotation marks, but I can't agree that a set supports some locale until my gandpa would be a able to enter an email address using the keys.
I don't think the colour scheme should be a concern. If the GB is successful, other rounds with different colours could be run.This is something I've given a bit of thought! I wanted to avoid getting ahead of myself but as the community grows, there will be opportunities to run even bigger sets with more variations for niches like this. This run should serve as a good measure of how big the current UK/DE/Nordic community is and show us what we can aim for right now and what might have to wait for the future.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 20 February 2017, 15:12:09
This run should serve as a good measure of how big the current UK/DE/Nordic community is and show us what we can aim for right now and what might have to wait for the future.This. That's the very goal of this GB, in my opinion. The colour scheme, for this run, is secondary. Props to you for trying.
Post by: longtran1568 on Mon, 20 February 2017, 16:35:03
Now that Del, End and Page Down are R1 I can fill my 96 keys keyboard :)
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Post by: mathiasn on Tue, 21 February 2017, 01:59:20
We-ell :-\, DE :D :thumb:, but black :(.
In fact, I'm not sure if any white on black double shot sets that cover nordic/german have made it to the market.
If you're looking for German black on white caps of similar quality, I believe you may have a relatively easy time finding them on vintage Cherry boards :)
Sure, just my opinion.
(and, btw. I've got some 5 vintage Cherrys at home)
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148 (https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148) made it to some 120 for DE alone
(I'm not organizing that, numbers added up just from that thread).
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 21 February 2017, 03:05:25
Post by: Krakob on Tue, 21 February 2017, 04:00:08
When are you going to run this? GMK Yuri and GMK Nautilus happen soonSubmitting to GMK on Friday, albeit I'm already in touch with them! I got a quote for an earlier revision of the set this morning and it looks like it's ending at about 115 + shipping. That's with VAT, shipping to me, and profit margin included!
Currently not sure exactly how much the shipping will be but I think it will be around 15 worldwide at most. It depends on the weight and dimensions of the packages.
Post by: pomk on Thu, 23 February 2017, 02:24:03
I totally understand, but I think the use case for WKL and such is bigger than the need for tertiary legends is. The biggest issue with those is that we'd have to add a pretty big amount of keys in order to satisfy all of the included locales, which raises the price and in turn makes MOQ harder to reach, making it contrary to the goal of this set.would you consider running this split into three kits like this:
(Attachment Link)
It would give correct legends while keeping the price low by separating ansi and UK keys.
One of the core principles of the set is that it will not be split. In most GBs, you have ANSI as the default. For international support it's often just the bare necessities for ISO, maybe enough for correct ISO UK if you're lucky. German and nordic packs very often fail to hit MOQ due to all the segregation, which is pretty much why this set is run. From a business point of view, it makes sense because it means you can get more ANSI/US buyers by having a lower price, and if there are enough who are willing to buy an international kit, you can get those as well.
By combining our efforts into a single amount of purchases, it means we'll have a much easier time reaching MOQ as instead of having 50 going for the UK kit, 30 for the German kit, and 20 for the Nordic kit we'll get maybe 80-90 people going for the full kit instead. Some buyers will be lost due to the inherent cost of a bigger kit but it's just about the only solution we have to this issue until the keyboard community has grown a whole lot more, or until manufacturers drop their MOQs. In GMK's case, they've already dropped from 250 to 150, and I believe they've run international add-on kits at less. As mentioned in the OP, I'm hoping they'll be willing to run this kit even if we don't hit 150, but we can't know for sure yet.
Should the GB end before we hit the MOQ, I will of course contact them and see if they'll run it at whatever amount we are at then. If not, we'll simply have to cancel.
OK, fair enough. Would you then consider supporting the 'included' layouts fully, maybe at the expense of some less used keys like the WKL bottom row?
Sorry for the quotation marks, but I can't agree that a set supports some locale until my gandpa would be a able to enter an email address using the keys.
You seem quite set on the kit already, but I'll just ask one more thing.
How about getting rid of the UK support, and then supporting (just) the full de/swe/dk/fi/no?
UK GMK sets exist already and many different ones are in stock for one to purchase. The thing is that I find it hard to believe that someone would purchase a limited UK set like this instead of one that would include all of the keys necessary for that locale.
The end result would be to have full support for five locales (instead of none) at a cheaper price, while just losing a couple of people who wish to have an incomplete UK GMK set instead of a full one for a very limited margin.
Just a thought. Good luck with the buy however you decide to continue! :thumb:
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 23 February 2017, 02:32:17
Well, the only other GMK white on black kit that I know of is originative, and it doesn't provide proper UK support, just the minimum in order to have the set fill an ISO board. A lot of kits do the same, albeit a few have succeeded in full support for non-US locales.I totally understand, but I think the use case for WKL and such is bigger than the need for tertiary legends is. The biggest issue with those is that we'd have to add a pretty big amount of keys in order to satisfy all of the included locales, which raises the price and in turn makes MOQ harder to reach, making it contrary to the goal of this set.would you consider running this split into three kits like this:
(Attachment Link)
It would give correct legends while keeping the price low by separating ansi and UK keys.
One of the core principles of the set is that it will not be split. In most GBs, you have ANSI as the default. For international support it's often just the bare necessities for ISO, maybe enough for correct ISO UK if you're lucky. German and nordic packs very often fail to hit MOQ due to all the segregation, which is pretty much why this set is run. From a business point of view, it makes sense because it means you can get more ANSI/US buyers by having a lower price, and if there are enough who are willing to buy an international kit, you can get those as well.
By combining our efforts into a single amount of purchases, it means we'll have a much easier time reaching MOQ as instead of having 50 going for the UK kit, 30 for the German kit, and 20 for the Nordic kit we'll get maybe 80-90 people going for the full kit instead. Some buyers will be lost due to the inherent cost of a bigger kit but it's just about the only solution we have to this issue until the keyboard community has grown a whole lot more, or until manufacturers drop their MOQs. In GMK's case, they've already dropped from 250 to 150, and I believe they've run international add-on kits at less. As mentioned in the OP, I'm hoping they'll be willing to run this kit even if we don't hit 150, but we can't know for sure yet.
Should the GB end before we hit the MOQ, I will of course contact them and see if they'll run it at whatever amount we are at then. If not, we'll simply have to cancel.
OK, fair enough. Would you then consider supporting the 'included' layouts fully, maybe at the expense of some less used keys like the WKL bottom row?
Sorry for the quotation marks, but I can't agree that a set supports some locale until my gandpa would be a able to enter an email address using the keys.
You seem quite set on the kit already, but I'll just ask one more thing.
How about getting rid of the UK support, and then supporting (just) the full de/swe/dk/fi/no?
UK GMK sets exist already and many different ones are in stock for one to purchase. The thing is that I find it hard to believe that someone would purchase a limited UK set like this instead of one that would include all of the keys necessary for that locale.
The end result would be to have full support for five locales (instead of none) at a cheaper price, while just losing a couple of people who wish to have an incomplete UK GMK set instead of a full one for a very limited margin.
Just a thought. Good luck with the buy however you decide to continue! :thumb:
The biggest appeal here is the price combined with better coverage. Only a couple of legends are incorrect for ISO UK, and the price is going to be around 60 cheaper than originative while also not being subject to import taxes and possibly having cheaper shipping.
Post by: pomk on Thu, 23 February 2017, 02:57:13
if this fails will you then reconsider? I'd very much like some GMK in my life.
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 23 February 2017, 03:10:28
Well, good luck!I might, depending on the buyers. If it's 80% UK buyers for example, it would probably not succeed without them.
if this fails will you then reconsider? I'd very much like some GMK in my life.
Post by: Abefyren on Thu, 23 February 2017, 04:11:38
I have one thing though.
Would you consider adding another 1X1 R4 key next to left shift with < > \ for Danish layout?
And also either another 3 key with # and £ or adding it to the existing for Norwegian and Danish layout.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 23 February 2017, 04:22:37
How about getting rid of the UK support, and then supporting (just) the full de/swe/dk/fi/no?
UK GMK sets exist already and many different ones are in stock for one to purchase. The thing is that I find it hard to believe that someone would purchase a limited UK set like this instead of one that would include all of the keys necessary for that locale.
How is this an incomplete UK ISO set? As far as I can see the only thing missing is the secondary symbol on the 4 key but I don't believe that has ever been offered in a GMK group buy and for reasons already explained in this thread it's not being offered here. Apart from that minor issue this is a complete UK ISO set I think
Post by: pomk on Thu, 23 February 2017, 04:23:49
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 23 February 2017, 04:32:44
This is a really nice step towards more sets for us northern europeans. I was pretty bummed, that the international kit for Terminal did not hit MOQ.
I have one thing though.
Would you consider adding another 1X1 R4 key next to left shift with < > \ for Danish layout?
And also either another 3 key with # and £ or adding it to the existing for Norwegian and Danish layout.
Thanks for pointing out the < > \ key! It will be changed to just < > . There will also be a few changes to the number row in order to make it more consistent with the design philosophy, as I noticed a few issues while looking into this.
Post by: Abefyren on Thu, 23 February 2017, 05:49:16
This is a really nice step towards more sets for us northern europeans. I was pretty bummed, that the international kit for Terminal did not hit MOQ.
I have one thing though.
Would you consider adding another 1X1 R4 key next to left shift with < > \ for Danish layout?
And also either another 3 key with # and £ or adding it to the existing for Norwegian and Danish layout.
Thanks for pointing out the < > \ key! It will be changed to just < > . There will also be a few changes to the number row in order to make it more consistent with the design philosophy, as I noticed a few issues while looking into this.
Nice.
You are doing some great work here. I really appreciate it. :thumb:
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 23 February 2017, 06:12:53
The key next to '1' is missing
That key is different on every ISO layout and I cannot remember ever using it. I like the idea of replacing it with a cherry :)
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 23 February 2017, 06:48:19
No need for ANSI Enter.
Is the home-row Control key stepped or centre-stemmed?
Post by: Giorgio on Thu, 23 February 2017, 07:16:38
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 23 February 2017, 07:38:06
I suppose that the chart is not literal. I believe GMK uses ISO row numbering, not SP row numbering.I suppose, I am only familiar with this form of row numbering, seems to be the most common (even used in GMK renders afaik)
No need for ANSI Enter.
Is the home-row Control key stepped or centre-stemmed?
ANSI is only supported through left shift, enter, and pipe so as to enable people who may prefer ANSI but still use their own layout or just plain ANSI users who would like a cheap set. It's a pretty small price for a huge benefit!
Home row Ctrl is center stem, as it is on HHKB. I hadn't seen a stepped Ctrl key before but I feel like it's too niche as both home row Ctrl and stepped caps are supported and I wouldn't imagine a lot of people mix the two.
Considering that this set is identical to originative, could it be considered a good idea to offer an addon including only the european keys?No, addon kits failing to reach MOQ is the reason we almost never see some locales covered. Not to mention, this full kit will be far cheaper than Originative. If this set is very successful, it might be reasonable to run a similar set covering even more locales like French, Spanish, Portugese, Mongolian, Vatican, etc.
Post by: Giorgio on Thu, 23 February 2017, 07:51:24
I suppose that the chart is not literal. I believe GMK uses ISO row numbering, not SP row numbering.I suppose, I am only familiar with this form of row numbering, seems to be the most common (even used in GMK renders afaik)
No need for ANSI Enter.
Is the home-row Control key stepped or centre-stemmed?
ANSI is only supported through left shift, enter, and pipe so as to enable people who may prefer ANSI but still use their own layout or just plain ANSI users who would like a cheap set. It's a pretty small price for a huge benefit!
Home row Ctrl is center stem, as it is on HHKB. I hadn't seen a stepped Ctrl key before but I feel like it's too niche as both home row Ctrl and stepped caps are supported and I wouldn't imagine a lot of people mix the two.Considering that this set is identical to originative, could it be considered a good idea to offer an addon including only the european keys?No, addon kits failing to reach MOQ is the reason we almost never see some locales covered. Not to mention, this full kit will be far cheaper than Originative. If this set is very successful, it might be reasonable to run a similar set covering even more locales like French, Spanish, Portugese, Mongolian, Vatican, etc.
Vatican layout?
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 23 February 2017, 08:41:38
Gotta look out for the holy father ;)I suppose that the chart is not literal. I believe GMK uses ISO row numbering, not SP row numbering.I suppose, I am only familiar with this form of row numbering, seems to be the most common (even used in GMK renders afaik)
No need for ANSI Enter.
Is the home-row Control key stepped or centre-stemmed?
ANSI is only supported through left shift, enter, and pipe so as to enable people who may prefer ANSI but still use their own layout or just plain ANSI users who would like a cheap set. It's a pretty small price for a huge benefit!
Home row Ctrl is center stem, as it is on HHKB. I hadn't seen a stepped Ctrl key before but I feel like it's too niche as both home row Ctrl and stepped caps are supported and I wouldn't imagine a lot of people mix the two.Considering that this set is identical to originative, could it be considered a good idea to offer an addon including only the european keys?No, addon kits failing to reach MOQ is the reason we almost never see some locales covered. Not to mention, this full kit will be far cheaper than Originative. If this set is very successful, it might be reasonable to run a similar set covering even more locales like French, Spanish, Portugese, Mongolian, Vatican, etc.
Vatican layout?
Post by: Giorgio on Thu, 23 February 2017, 09:10:31
Gotta look out for the holy father ;)I suppose that the chart is not literal. I believe GMK uses ISO row numbering, not SP row numbering.I suppose, I am only familiar with this form of row numbering, seems to be the most common (even used in GMK renders afaik)
No need for ANSI Enter.
Is the home-row Control key stepped or centre-stemmed?
ANSI is only supported through left shift, enter, and pipe so as to enable people who may prefer ANSI but still use their own layout or just plain ANSI users who would like a cheap set. It's a pretty small price for a huge benefit!
Home row Ctrl is center stem, as it is on HHKB. I hadn't seen a stepped Ctrl key before but I feel like it's too niche as both home row Ctrl and stepped caps are supported and I wouldn't imagine a lot of people mix the two.Considering that this set is identical to originative, could it be considered a good idea to offer an addon including only the european keys?No, addon kits failing to reach MOQ is the reason we almost never see some locales covered. Not to mention, this full kit will be far cheaper than Originative. If this set is very successful, it might be reasonable to run a similar set covering even more locales like French, Spanish, Portugese, Mongolian, Vatican, etc.
Vatican layout?
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Post by: Krakob on Thu, 23 February 2017, 15:59:23
Submitting to GMK tomorrow European evening, so approx. 18 GMT. Please voice any concerns about incorrect legends before then! (Remember, first and second must be correct, third will be removed if it means one key less; no tertiary legend may be incorrect, only removed)
Changes marked in red:
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Post by: Krakob on Fri, 24 February 2017, 13:53:43
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 24 February 2017, 17:30:26
1) Which GMK white exactly?
2) Which GMK black exactly?
Just want to know GMK Stormtrooper combinability.
Post by: Krakob on Fri, 24 February 2017, 17:41:17
Two questions:The whitest white on the blackest black, should've made that clearer. So WS1 on CR.
1) Which GMK white exactly?
2) Which GMK black exactly?
Just want to know GMK Stormtrooper combinability.
Post by: Geroximo on Fri, 24 February 2017, 19:44:34
Post by: pon10 on Fri, 24 February 2017, 23:35:36
Post by: Krakob on Sat, 25 February 2017, 06:24:03
[...] white on black is just the most boring colorway I could think of.
Exactly what I aimed for ;)
A simple design to gauge the market and give us something neutral but high quality
Post by: My_Thoughts on Sat, 25 February 2017, 06:52:32
I love my ISO-DE so I would definitely be down for 2 sets, but the white on black is just the most boring colorway I could think of.
If I can sort some funds out I will get one to support the idea but yes, this really is a boring colourway :(
Post by: longtran1568 on Sat, 25 February 2017, 11:51:01
Post by: HerrGartenzwerg on Sun, 26 February 2017, 08:46:22
I still REALLY wish that this set would be BLACK ON WHITE. It would be not only more beautiful but easier to mix and match with other GMK sets. There are more GMK sets with white alpha than black. :thumb:
Same here.
A Black on white set for ~150 would have been an instant buy for me. As it is now, I will see what the final price is and decide then.
Post by: pon10 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 09:02:49
Post by: DuFF on Sun, 26 February 2017, 09:45:07
thinking about not canceling gmk plum and mixing it with this one. :p
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 26 February 2017, 11:30:25
I'm a cheap bastard who already has a lot of white-on-black keys from German keyboards and a couple others, so I would prefer getting only the missing keys that are special to Swedish/Finnish layout.
That would mean waiting until the run is over and then buy leftovers from some British guy. But it wouldn't work if everyone else in the Nordic countries did that.
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 26 February 2017, 11:54:00
I think German double-shot white-on-black is much easier to get hold of otherwise than any of the other layouts that are supported by this set.But surely you want some brand new caps? There will be no colour matching issues and they'll have that nice factory new smell and just be astonishing quality! ;)
I'm a cheap bastard who already has a lot of white-on-black keys from German keyboards and a couple others, so I would prefer getting only the missing keys that are special to Swedish/Finnish layout.
That would mean waiting until the run is over and then buy leftovers from some British guy. But it wouldn't work if everyone else in the Nordic countries did that.
Post by: arsenics on Wed, 01 March 2017, 23:51:19
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Post by: Krakob on Thu, 02 March 2017, 01:31:50
I want some brand new caps! Any news from GMK?They're working on the render! Sadly they aren't allowed to distribute Cherry logo keys, so it has been changed back to blank.
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Post by: LeandreN on Thu, 02 March 2017, 02:56:05
https://www.originativeco.com/products/blue-alert-international-kit
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 02 March 2017, 03:29:00
I want some brand new caps! Any news from GMK?They're working on the render! Sadly they aren't allowed to distribute Cherry logo keys, so it has been changed back to blank.
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But they made these:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79230.0
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 02 March 2017, 03:51:44
Here's what GMK told me:I want some brand new caps! Any news from GMK?They're working on the render! Sadly they aren't allowed to distribute Cherry logo keys, so it has been changed back to blank.
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But they made these:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79230.0
Quote
Your draft includes a Cherry logo key. Due to the copyright we are not allowed to offer these keys to other companies/people.
Post by: TalkingTree on Thu, 02 March 2017, 03:57:30
But they made these:That's a generic cherry novelty, I don't think they are copyrighted.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79230.0
xiaodian317 had a keyset (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80942.0;topicseen) made with the actual Cherry logo but, as far as I know, he's a ZF Electronics employee.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 02 March 2017, 08:03:55
I liked the idea of the white cherry on black
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 02 March 2017, 10:35:20
D'oh
I liked the idea of the white cherry on black
Could always get one separately ;)
In other news, the render is already here! GB launching in a week, give or take a few days if everything goes according to plan.
Post by: pon10 on Thu, 02 March 2017, 12:03:45
any other graphic to put in use other then the cherry copyrighted logo? or maybe a color?..
No "2" with a @ key for DK?
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 02 March 2017, 12:24:19
Maybe the blank cap could be a little more creative?
any other graphic to put in use other then the cherry copyrighted logo? or maybe a color?..
No "2" with a @ key for DK?
The GMK and Uniqey logos were considered, but I chose not to use them since they're text based, and not icons, which kind of breaks the style.
The @ is not included since it's a tertiary legend, and would require adding an extra key.
Post by: pomk on Thu, 02 March 2017, 12:24:32
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Post by: Krakob on Thu, 02 March 2017, 12:27:09
Maybe something like this for that key next to '1'? :))
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That is contradictory to the design ideals, i.e. no legend may be incorrect, tertiary legends may be missing. It would probably require a new mold as well, which is quite expensive!
Post by: pomk on Thu, 02 March 2017, 13:04:37
IMO some legend like a novelty in better than none.
Post by: dorf on Sat, 04 March 2017, 15:09:04
In other news, the render is already here! GB launching in a week, give or take a few days if everything goes according to plan.
We're good to go! Let's make it happen. Do you have a price indication at this point?
Post by: Krakob on Sat, 04 March 2017, 15:18:30
Going by the last quote, about 135 shipped. I can't say what the shipping will be yet, so I counted with 20. It depends on the weight and dimensions, for which I have nothing but guesses so far. 20 is a relatively high guess though. Worst case in case GMK can't give a good estimate of measurements, I'll take 20 and just offer partial refunds.In other news, the render is already here! GB launching in a week, give or take a few days if everything goes according to plan.
We're good to go! Let's make it happen. Do you have a price indication at this point?
Post by: Krakob on Sun, 19 March 2017, 04:38:09
Post by: pon10 on Wed, 03 January 2018, 17:38:47
Post by: TastyNico on Wed, 03 January 2018, 18:44:48
Post by: CandyKeys on Wed, 03 January 2018, 18:55:39
The whole talk of what is successful regarding NORDE kits and all that stuff is really hard to judge. The idea is great, 135 EUR is still steep if that ends up being the final price, I think it could be cheaper.
We are currently on the same page with cheap GMK sets with GMK Fishbed, so the base will be really cheap and the add-on a bit more expensive due to custom molds. From what I know it does not make a difference what color the set is and all, white on black is a smart decision as that will be the preferred one.
Krakob, I can help you with the shipping cost ideas, if you want to ship to Sweden from Germany or wherever you are located, you should be able to ship at around 1 EUR per set to you and then the shipping costs from your country is up to you.
If each set weights half a kilo, you have a 40cm by 40cm by 40cm squared box and you put 20 sets in each box, it should be roughly 1 EUR to the set. Hope that helps :)
Maybe discussing another packaging option to make it even cheaper would be an option but not sure if you would have to provide the material yourself or not.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 03 January 2018, 18:58:32
This is really nice, pitching in from the EU side here.
The whole talk of what is successful regarding NORDE kits and all that stuff is really hard to judge. The idea is great, 135 EUR is still steep if that ends up being the final price, I think it could be cheaper.
We are currently on the same page with cheap GMK sets with GMK Fishbed, so the base will be really cheap and the add-on a bit more expensive due to custom molds. From what I know it does not make a difference what color the set is and all, white on black is a smart decision as that will be the preferred one.
Krakob, I can help you with the shipping cost ideas, if you want to ship to Sweden from Germany or wherever you are located, you should be able to ship at around 1 EUR per set to you and then the shipping costs from your country is up to you.
If each set weights half a kilo, you have a 40cm by 40cm by 40cm squared box and you put 20 sets in each box, it should be roughly 1 EUR to the set. Hope that helps :)
Maybe discussing another packaging option to make it even cheaper would be an option but not sure if you would have to provide the material yourself or not.
I wish you the best for the GB!
you know that this ran and failed miserably, right?
Post by: Krakob on Thu, 04 January 2018, 03:22:30
Can we try again?Hey! I'm pursuing other projects right now, so I'm afraid I won't be trying this. Should I get some decent income, I would honestly consider saving up to buy the sets myself but I am but a poor student hahaha
This is really nice, pitching in from the EU side here.Hey! Thanks for the input, but as mentioned we tried running the GB a few months ago without luck. Got some MX silvers from you the other day by the way, they're going in a pretty cool thing coming up :)
The whole talk of what is successful regarding NORDE kits and all that stuff is really hard to judge. The idea is great, 135 EUR is still steep if that ends up being the final price, I think it could be cheaper.
We are currently on the same page with cheap GMK sets with GMK Fishbed, so the base will be really cheap and the add-on a bit more expensive due to custom molds. From what I know it does not make a difference what color the set is and all, white on black is a smart decision as that will be the preferred one.
Krakob, I can help you with the shipping cost ideas, if you want to ship to Sweden from Germany or wherever you are located, you should be able to ship at around 1 EUR per set to you and then the shipping costs from your country is up to you.
If each set weights half a kilo, you have a 40cm by 40cm by 40cm squared box and you put 20 sets in each box, it should be roughly 1 EUR to the set. Hope that helps :)
Maybe discussing another packaging option to make it even cheaper would be an option but not sure if you would have to provide the material yourself or not.
I wish you the best for the GB!
Post by: CandyKeys on Thu, 04 January 2018, 05:27:18
This is really nice, pitching in from the EU side here.
The whole talk of what is successful regarding NORDE kits and all that stuff is really hard to judge. The idea is great, 135 EUR is still steep if that ends up being the final price, I think it could be cheaper.
We are currently on the same page with cheap GMK sets with GMK Fishbed, so the base will be really cheap and the add-on a bit more expensive due to custom molds. From what I know it does not make a difference what color the set is and all, white on black is a smart decision as that will be the preferred one.
Krakob, I can help you with the shipping cost ideas, if you want to ship to Sweden from Germany or wherever you are located, you should be able to ship at around 1 EUR per set to you and then the shipping costs from your country is up to you.
If each set weights half a kilo, you have a 40cm by 40cm by 40cm squared box and you put 20 sets in each box, it should be roughly 1 EUR to the set. Hope that helps :)
Maybe discussing another packaging option to make it even cheaper would be an option but not sure if you would have to provide the material yourself or not.
I wish you the best for the GB!
you know that this ran and failed miserably, right?
Am aware, sorry, 3 in the morning shenanigans and brain shut-off
Post by: avid on Thu, 04 January 2018, 06:55:22