Oh huh. Wasn’t expecting this for the last month or anythingWell, it kept getting pushed back by folks asking about it on Discord 😂
basically a GMK Cafe knockoffGMK Olivia - a knockoff? For real? :eek:
basically a GMK Cafe knockoff
No need for renders. NUT
Did anyone else solve the puzzle yet?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582516550179880979.png?v=1)
Did anyone else solve the puzzle yet?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582516550179880979.png?v=1)
Nope. I tried base64 but got a broken hyperlink. Going to try and decode it further. Perhaps some type of letter swapping?
Did anyone else solve the puzzle yet?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582516550179880979.png?v=1)
Is this essentially just an Olivia rerun? Not sure what the ++ stands for?
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!Solve fast get gifts? Colevrak?
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Has gifts for me? For being slow but trying my best?The twin peaks homie coming in hot
Not that I want to be that guy (who am I kidding here?), but... what will the kit's coverage be? Same as before? Will some omissions be not ommited anymore? Will anything be taken off?Do not ask such silly questions. Only consume plastic then wait for next plastic to consume.
Not that I want to be that guy (who am I kidding here?), but... what will the kit's coverage be? Same as before? Will some omissions be not ommited anymore? Will anything be taken off?Do not ask such silly questions. Only consume plastic then wait for next plastic to consume.
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
BESURETODRINKYOUROVALT
Hold on, almost there...
Paul McCartney' HiHiHi was released December 1st. Olivia++ release December 1st?I would be inclined to believe that is true as well
Paul McCartney' HiHiHi was released December 1st. Olivia++ release December 1st?I would be inclined to believe that is true as well
Congratulations to cijanzen for figuring out the release date! :D We will be in touch.Level++ ?
6c6576656c2b2b
Olivia++ is launching on December 1st, 2019.
Paul McCartney' HiHiHi was released December 1st. Olivia++ release December 1st?I would be inclined to believe that is true as well
Crack the code and you’ll find some fun facts
can someone fill me in on this puzzle thing? I have no idea where this came from...
can someone fill me in on this puzzle thing? I have no idea where this came from...It's a "big **** energy" IC that - everyone knows - is unnecessary because of how popular the Olivia colorway is, so this is just OP having fun with teasing the community.
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
i'd stop hoping now
GMK Olivia++
Launching on December 1st, 2019.
I'm thinking of using this for my new profile pic: dmhoZGc6Ly93YXVpZi5xY2Evby9sTFpFR3ZZ
After much waiting, I'm excited to announce that Olivia++ will be in GB in short time! I'll be working with NovelKeys, Mykeyboard, iLuMKB, Zfrontier, and Daily Clack as the vendor/proxies.
Details soon to follow? ? ? ? ? ?
Many thanks to: Zambumon, RAMA Team, and the awesome vendors who will be listing it!
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
i'd stop hoping now
Everything you have said in the past has been false so I will keep my hope.
Hey everyone, I wrote about solving the Avatar puzzle over on Keebtalk if you're interested in finding out how it was completed: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen (https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen)
Hey everyone, I wrote about solving the Avatar puzzle over on Keebtalk if you're interested in finding out how it was completed: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen (https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen):eek:
I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.I'm pretty sure teaser pics have text+ icon
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Found the perfect shoe to complement this.Show Image(https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/nike-air-max-90-pink-325213-143-3.jpg?w=1140)
Found the perfect shoe to complement this.Show Image(https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/nike-air-max-90-pink-325213-143-3.jpg?w=1140)
Found the perfect shoe to complement this.Show Image(https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/nike-air-max-90-pink-325213-143-3.jpg?w=1140)
maybe even these pupsShow Image(https://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Air-Jordan-1-Retro-High-OG-Crimson-Tint-3-3.jpg?x98166)
I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.I'm pretty sure teaser pics have text+ icon
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Right, more clues for the next puzzle
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OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Hey everyone, I wrote about solving the Avatar puzzle over on Keebtalk if you're interested in finding out how it was completed: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen (https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen)
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Lets not derail this thread with Van drama. Its still not even a proper IC yet.....OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Way more people than you'd like to admit, and you know it. Still the most retarded "controversy" to happen to the hobby within the last few years, and it only hurts the people who choose to exclude 2 keys from their keysets. Especially now that GBs are more of a money grab rather than an actual group buy these days.
Link for the ill informed?OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Way more people than you'd like to admit, and you know it. Still the most retarded "controversy" to happen to the hobby within the last few years, and it only hurts the people who choose to exclude 2 keys from their keysets. Especially now that GBs are more of a money grab rather than an actual group buy these days.
Lets not derail this thread with Van drama. Its still not even a proper IC yet.....OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Way more people than you'd like to admit, and you know it. Still the most retarded "controversy" to happen to the hobby within the last few years, and it only hurts the people who choose to exclude 2 keys from their keysets. Especially now that GBs are more of a money grab rather than an actual group buy these days.
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
This is one of the laziest attempts at an IC I’ve ever seen. It’s very clear that this is going to be a popular set, but why not actually do the IC when you have renders, info, etc...Instead she’s using this as a marketing or teaser, and a very poor one at that.
Also, she’s removed compatibility that was in R1 because she’s partnered up with someone who is STILL partaking in one of the most dumb boycotts in this hobby. Why remove an entire group of users from your potential pool of buyers? It’s asinine how this has lingered, and people need to get a beer together or hug it out or whatever.
Finally, yeah bro, I’m in sales so I have no problem speaking my mind. It’s amazing how many people ****foot around each other on the internet and are afraid of telling others the truth.
148 comments without a single render. That sounds like it's being marketed alright to me. Marketing is not as one-dimensional as you make it out to be. Then again, what would you know - you're in sales.OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
This is one of the laziest attempts at an IC I’ve ever seen. It’s very clear that this is going to be a popular set, but why not actually do the IC when you have renders, info, etc...Instead she’s using this as a marketing or teaser, and a very poor one at that.
Also, she’s removed compatibility that was in R1 because she’s partnered up with someone who is STILL partaking in one of the most dumb boycotts in this hobby. Why remove an entire group of users from your potential pool of buyers? It’s asinine how this has lingered, and people need to get a beer together or hug it out or whatever.
Finally, yeah bro, I’m in sales so I have no problem speaking my mind. It’s amazing how many people ****foot around each other on the internet and are afraid of telling others the truth.
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?Oh it's 101% coming.
Bro, how long have you been around? This community is just a designer circle jerk where well known designers are deities that can do no wrong. Fall in line, droneOP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
This is one of the laziest attempts at an IC I’ve ever seen. It’s very clear that this is going to be a popular set, but why not actually do the IC when you have renders, info, etc...Instead she’s using this as a marketing or teaser, and a very poor one at that.
Also, she’s removed compatibility that was in R1 because she’s partnered up with someone who is STILL partaking in one of the most dumb boycotts in this hobby. Why remove an entire group of users from your potential pool of buyers? It’s asinine how this has lingered, and people need to get a beer together or hug it out or whatever.
Finally, yeah bro, I’m in sales so I have no problem speaking my mind. It’s amazing how many people ****foot around each other on the internet and are afraid of telling others the truth.
148 comments without a single render. That sounds like it's being marketed alright to me. Marketing is not as one-dimensional as you make it out to be. Then again, what would you know - you're in sales.
Bro, how long have you been around? This community is just a designer circle jerk where well known designers are deities that can do no wrong. Fall in line, drone
Will buy 100%
But please don't make this a remix of Olivia, we want the same colors please!
New desk-mats are welcome though.
Thank you
Not that I want to be that guy (who am I kidding here?), but... what will the kit's coverage be? Same as before? Will some omissions be not ommited anymore? Will anything be taken off?
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.
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Colvrak?
I know you said no before, but, Colemak would be really ****ing nice.
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!Solve fast get gifts? Colevrak?
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Please include colevrak. You know this kit has hype behind it. I have faith a colevrak kit would hit MOQ with the hype. Even if it doesn't, the base kits + other kits sold to colevrak users would certainly cover it, right?
ne r3 1.25 enter avail?
also vim kit pls
R5 Bottom row option please <2
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
So, now that olivia = R2, running olivia++ again after this round would technically be R3?
Cleaned this thread up.
If it isn't feedback on the set, don't post it.
Let's stop with personal attacks and derailing.
What is the base kit color? Is it dark? The light alphas will be sold as kit?
I hope the default set will be the black kit. Though to be honest, I just want the mods so I can combine it with Kuro Shiro.
I hope the default set will be the black kit. Though to be honest, I just want the mods so I can combine it with Kuro Shiro.
Just a head's up, but if you plan on mixing ePBT with GMK, ePBT keycaps sit slightly higher (i.e. taller) than GMK keycaps. Hopefully that doesn't bother you too much.
I'm in Intermediate Java and I still didn't know... Sigh... But thank you for clarifying!This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
Thank you for the clarification!This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?Oh it's 101% coming.
It's the second round.
Same set as before but also more (hence the ++), like this new all-dark kit (https://www.instagram.com/p/B3XQp56lueP/).
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
So, now that olivia = R2, running olivia++ again after this round would technically be R3?
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
So, now that olivia = R2, running olivia++ again after this round would technically be R3?
Next would probably called Olivia#..... ^-^
Just to say in case you haven't already considered- adjusted icons could still be used for arrow keys (I noticed they were old arrow alignment in the jules render (https://www.instagram.com/p/B2kWFpHF0_F)). Might look better with the centered aligned text bottom row, either way I'm happy but I just wanted to bring that to your attention :)I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.
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I am using text mods, so there won't be the adjusted icon legends.
I'd like to add that there are those of us who completely disagree with 9009 R3's unnecesaary legend re-alignment & thus are happy that this annoying change has not been picked up (so far) by other keysets.Just to say in case you haven't already considered- adjusted icons could still be used for arrow keys (I noticed they were old arrow alignment in the jules render (https://www.instagram.com/p/B2kWFpHF0_F)). Might look better with the centered aligned text bottom row, either way I'm happy but I just wanted to bring that to your attention :)I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.
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I am using text mods, so there won't be the adjusted icon legends.
Set looks great, one of the very select few that I would call "bucket-list" for myself within keyboards as a whole. Unfortunately I couldn't achieve my other grail of camping + novs (r1) this year, but this has more than made up for it! Will be 100% be getting base, dark alphas, and possibly whatever other accent/nov kits are offered... maybe a rama or two as well.... All/almost all of the rest of my keycap budget for the year has been set aside for olivia++ since its announcement, the only other consideration being.. GMK Olive extras! Damn you make beautiful sets haha
Cheers, wishing you the best of luck! (though you probably don't need it heh)
Tenn
I'd like to add that there are those of us who completely disagree with 9009 R3's unnecesaary legend re-alignment & thus are happy that this annoying change has not been picked up (so far) by other keysets.
Is there a possibility for a Canadian vendor? avoiding the hidden fees is really nice and i think deskhero has been doing a really good job with the sets that have recently ran"Hidden fees" What an interesting way for you to call your countries customs, duties and import regulations.
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019
just use blanks or adapt like an adult
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019
just use blanks or adapt like an adult
What about NorDeUK
Can we have this added to every base
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019Imagine typing in QWERTY in 2019.
Is there a possibility for a Canadian vendor? avoiding the hidden fees is really nice and i think deskhero has been doing a really good job with the sets that have recently ranSecond this...We really need a Canadian proxy please
blanks pleaseThe dream
my hands are breaking as im typing thisimagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019Imagine typing in QWERTY in 2019.
So less than a month before start of GB and still no kits or real information in OP.yeah, it's sad. It doesn't feel like much of an IC knowing that tons of people will jump on it regardless of lack of information.
What type of IC is this with no input wanted or needed from the community?
I'm confucious.
Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.
Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
I mean, feedback from day 1 was literally just denying any and all proposed changes, further proving your point lol: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2823313#msg2823313I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
That's a great scenario for an interest check. It also doesn't apply to one of the most hype sets in the community lol. Olivia++ would meet a MOQ in the first week (or sooner) without any form of publicity, let alone an IC. You know how many neckbeards have been thirsting for this set since R1 hit mailboxes?Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Well what about this scenario,
I wanna make a set and I know I'm going to run it but I want to run it through IC first to gauge interest before wasting my time and failing MOQ.
You damn well know there is a lot more necessary to running an keyset than just posting an idea or proof of concept. I've made by point.Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Well what about this scenario,
I wanna make a set and I know I'm going to run it but I want to run it through IC first to gauge interest before wasting my time and failing MOQ.
Interest check != Feedback checkSo it is just a hype platform? I'm cool either way, I just want it to be clear for myself and everyone/anyone else who thinks it is something besides that
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Interest check != Feedback checkSo it is just a hype platform? I'm cool either way, I just want it to be clear for myself and everyone/anyone else who thinks it is something besides that
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You damn well know there is a lot more necessary to running an keyset than just posting an idea or proof of concept. I've made by point.Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Well what about this scenario,
I wanna make a set and I know I'm going to run it but I want to run it through IC first to gauge interest before wasting my time and failing MOQ.
fking boomers in here are insanewho ****ing cuts greninja
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
fking boomers in here are insanewho ****ing cuts greninja
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
fking boomers in here are insane
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
fking boomers in here are insane
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
fking boomers in here are insane
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
I've noticed the increase in new accounts asking for canadian proxies, and as a canadian, this worries me a little.
What's the deal?
I heard the guy who runs deskhero.ca is jacked. Not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. Yall are pathetic if you dont let him be the Canadian proxy for this set.
Barely a month left for GB and we have no info on kits and pricing :< I hope it doesnt get delayed!
Please add a NorDE / international kit. I need this set in my life and on my boards :-*
I'd also love to see a NorDEUK kit
Are we expecting a price hike for Olivia++?
This IC is ****e
Interest checks are hype train ad space once you become too big to failThis IC is ****e
Yes! Beyond ****e. I have been trying to raise awareness but fan boisss are stuck in Stockholm syndrome :)
I wonder what r2 of an existing set. I can't use the search feature to find what this set looks like...Interest checks are hype train ad space once you become too big to failThis IC is ****e
Yes! Beyond ****e. I have been trying to raise awareness but fan boisss are stuck in Stockholm syndrome :)
What about NorDeUKSince this is going to be even more popular than Oblivion v2 I have no doubt that we will get NorDeUK. It will reach MOQ in an instant. :-)
Can we have this added to every base
Really anxious to see the kits offered!?It was confirmed that there will be no Colevrak or Nordeuk kits in an earlier comment
Doubt we'll get a Colevrak kit but if so, Merry Christmas to ME!
Can we organize that ourselfs without the original creator of the set? I mean GMK lets you choose colours and pick kits, so technically there is no need for the one true Olivia to run GMK Olivia Colevrak/NorDeUK right?Maybe you could you just gotta ask olivia for permission, as gmk wouldn't let you run without that.
Can we organize that ourselfs without the original creator of the set? I mean GMK lets you choose colours and pick kits, so technically there is no need for the one true Olivia to run GMK Olivia Colevrak/NorDeUK right?Maybe you could you just gotta ask olivia for permission, as gmk wouldn't let you run without that.
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Can we organize that ourselfs without the original creator of the set? I mean GMK lets you choose colours and pick kits, so technically there is no need for the one true Olivia to run GMK Olivia Colevrak/NorDeUK right?Maybe you could you just gotta ask olivia for permission, as gmk wouldn't let you run without that.
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Is that actually the case? I'm not advocating for doing a run w/o designer permissions, but I thought GMK will make you whatever you want - I thought it's community blowback that stops people from running others sets/colors?
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?IC's aren't for gauging demand, they are for producing hype.
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?IC's aren't for gauging demand, they are for producing hype.
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
Correct, just look at this threadCan't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?IC's aren't for gauging demand, they are for producing hype.
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
So... interests checks aren't for checking interest ??
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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This is not the csgo-subreddit. Find somewhere else to be a douche.Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.Lets split, I‘ll go for 50 as well ;-)
I'll join the split. 33,33 sets each ;)I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.Lets split, I‘ll go for 50 as well ;-)
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.
I'd love to know where you get the numbers on your proposed losses of alternative kits to the overall sale. Oblivion's original moq for 125$ was 500 base kits. It surpassed it so far that a new price drop at 1000 kits came into play. It eventually ended up at over 3 times the original moq of 500. Colverak and International both hit past their moq, so I don't know how that fits "the same story," but I would LOVE to pretend for a second that they did not for the sake of helping your argument and getting insight on how they "aren't worth it". Let's pretend only 1 of each kit sold with their moq's of 50 units. I'd pretend 0 sold, but then the kit would just be scrapped, no harm no foul. You're looking at 49u*$57 + 49u*75 = $6368 lost by running AND fulfilling the kits, and that's only the absolute worst case. You expect all of us to believe that 3xing the base kit moq got impacted heavily by alternative layouts? ****, how many of base kits (or addons) do you think would not have been purchased without alternative layout kits?Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.
It's the same story in every thread. Look at the lastest oblivion: 1.6k base kits sold, 61 colverak and 113 international kits. Jamon: 846 base, 37 iso kits. 9009 R3: 445 base, 11 norde kits.
If I was designing a keyset, I wouldn't waste time on child kits sell an average of 4% compared to moq. So if you really want to prove me wrong go ahead spend the 5k getting the child kits to moq. Because if you're looking at it from a business perspective, you're not selling 100 norde kits unless 2.6k+ units of Olivia++ sell.
I feel like this set will break all records in terms of sets bought.Of course it will
What do you guys think?
I feel like this set will break all records in terms of sets bought.Yes it probably will. Thats why its so embarassing that regarding olivia++ the "custom" in our "custom keyboard community" means "ansi" and thats it.
What do you guys think?
A Canadian source like deskhero.ca would be greatly appreciated! It’s a big hassle to get it via other sources.
A Canadian source like deskhero.ca would be greatly appreciated! It’s a big hassle to get it via other sources.
Sorry everyone. Proxies are all confirmed at this point.
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Can't argue with "NTdJWkNKQ1BRL3ZScUYxeGMyNHU3M0pQZlBMVlFnR0VKMXNGVlo4RFRLVHlyVEpWUEtqVHZrL2lZVDdJb0pseg==⠀"
https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzenThank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Can't argue with "NTdJWkNKQ1BRL3ZScUYxeGMyNHU3M0pQZlBMVlFnR0VKMXNGVlo4RFRLVHlyVEpWUEtqVHZrL2lZVDdJb0pseg==⠀"
somebody please translate... I mean decode :-X
Zambumon's Instagram post is another puzzle, not decoded yet.https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzenThank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Can't argue with "NTdJWkNKQ1BRL3ZScUYxeGMyNHU3M0pQZlBMVlFnR0VKMXNGVlo4RFRLVHlyVEpWUEtqVHZrL2lZVDdJb0pseg==⠀"
somebody please translate... I mean decode :-X
if it's Zambumon then i bet it just says "NO"
buy 40s everyoneShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/d4hVYab.png)
While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Is there anymore news about this?What news are you looking for? It's launching December 1st
While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).tldr: switch to ansi
•\O_O/•.....???? my reaction the the weird conversations above but...
thank goodness I’m simple with my ANSI asssh layout.
Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't post on geekhack.Sorry for contributing to your bad experience on these forums. But if you make (weak) points you should also be able to defend them. And you don‘t learn that by „crawling under a rock“ everytime you encounter the slightest bit of controversy. ;-)
tldr: switch to ansiYeah but then again: not exactly my idea of a „custom“ keyboard community.
Lol how long have you been around? The second anyone hints at an alt layout you are met with "Nah **** you, it's bad lul." And don't EVER expect any indepth explanation beyond that lol. "But if you make (weak) points you should also be able to defend them." You will never get numbers, or logic, or explanations for anything. Pretentious, snide remarks are all you'll ever get. You are a drone in the hive. Act like it and fall in line.Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't post on geekhack.Sorry for contributing to your bad experience on these forums. But if you make (weak) points you should also be able to defend them. And you don‘t learn that by „crawling under a rock“ everytime you encounter the slightest bit of controvery. ;-)tldr: switch to ansiYeah but then again: not exactly my idea of a „custom“ keyboard community.
While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
tldr: switch to ansiYeah but then again: not exactly my idea of a „custom“ keyboard community.
What are the numbers? What are the actual risks? What is a scenario where this actually happened and someone was deeply regretful for including nordeuk? How badly, in money, could a hype set like Olivia failing a moq on nordeuk really screw someone over?While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
For starters, the legends that are universally available to anyone to use (languages, cadet, ascii,etc) aren't charged to the buys in any of these cases, GMK foots this bill.
NorDeUK is never easy to hit MOQ really, there is always risk inherently involved here. They can and do hit, but it is often a struggle and never a guarantee still these days.
Hard to talk about taking "risks" when you aren't footing the money, as Wilba stated rather well.
To me a lot of sensible decisions have been made in terms of the design. This is a great set, and I'm sure Olivia will knock set design out of the park.
PS, <3 you Wilba :-*
What are the numbers? What are the actual risks? What is a scenario where this actually happened and someone was deeply regretful for including nordeuk? How badly, in money, could a hype set like Olivia failing a moq on nordeuk really screw someone over?While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
For starters, the legends that are universally available to anyone to use (languages, cadet, ascii,etc) aren't charged to the buys in any of these cases, GMK foots this bill.
NorDeUK is never easy to hit MOQ really, there is always risk inherently involved here. They can and do hit, but it is often a struggle and never a guarantee still these days.
Hard to talk about taking "risks" when you aren't footing the money, as Wilba stated rather well.
To me a lot of sensible decisions have been made in terms of the design. This is a great set, and I'm sure Olivia will knock set design out of the park.
PS, <3 you Wilba :-*
I don't use nordeuk. I'm all for telling people to just stfu about nordeuk, but nobody ever gives them a good reason to. It's always just snide remarks. "Hard to talk about risks when you aren't fronting the money". Yeah sure. Let's put these people in the dirt once and for all. Tell them about the real risk and consequences, and the realities, of a failed nordeuk kit missing moq on set that's going to set records for base kits sold. Nobody wants those answers more than nordeuk users, but nobody is ever willing to give them a straight forward answer as to why they should shut up
Everyone needs to relax and look at the numbers. Let's look at the numbers from the most recent NorDeUK group buy of GMK Dracula!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBOcqVp.png)
NorDeUK MOQ for this set was 50.
To hit that number Olivia++ needs to sell 1200 base kits.
Now if someone wants to do the marketing analysis to project sales, I believe this problem will be solved.
Thanks for the indepth answer. I understand vendors take hits on failed moqs, and everything you said about the complexity of those hits makes sense (ie, refunded base kits, etc). The baseline $$ is the most important thing here, and I respect that. Another question though is, are we really, really that confident that nordeuk would fail, or confident in the risk that it will fail, on a hype set like this? Especially with recent hype sets meeting moq? I think its entirely fair to generalize alt layout kits risks in general, but when it comes to record breaking hype kits I think an exception should be made. I mentioned Oblivion earlier, and how it 3x'd moq on base kits and met moq on colevrak and locale kits. Anyone and everyone knew that set was going to slap. Dracula comes out after, wrecks base kit moq, and meets locale moq. Again... everyone knew that set was going to bank. Back to looking at risk... We are looking at a set that's been begged for since R1, has 8 pages of discussion in less then a month AND has a single render in the 1st post with no pricing or layout information. Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?What are the numbers? What are the actual risks? What is a scenario where this actually happened and someone was deeply regretful for including nordeuk? How badly, in money, could a hype set like Olivia failing a moq on nordeuk really screw someone over?While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
For starters, the legends that are universally available to anyone to use (languages, cadet, ascii,etc) aren't charged to the buys in any of these cases, GMK foots this bill.
NorDeUK is never easy to hit MOQ really, there is always risk inherently involved here. They can and do hit, but it is often a struggle and never a guarantee still these days.
Hard to talk about taking "risks" when you aren't footing the money, as Wilba stated rather well.
To me a lot of sensible decisions have been made in terms of the design. This is a great set, and I'm sure Olivia will knock set design out of the park.
PS, <3 you Wilba :-*
I don't use nordeuk. I'm all for telling people to just stfu about nordeuk, but nobody ever gives them a good reason to. It's always just snide remarks. "Hard to talk about risks when you aren't fronting the money". Yeah sure. Let's put these people in the dirt once and for all. Tell them about the real risk and consequences, and the realities, of a failed nordeuk kit missing moq on set that's going to set records for base kits sold. Nobody wants those answers more than nordeuk users, but nobody is ever willing to give them a straight forward answer as to why they should shut up
I'm just saying nothing is a guarantee with NorDeUk kits, even still. It's definitely a decision that affects the vendor as well as the designer (if its nots Drop and buying any kit they run from the start period).
I've designed my sets, I've worked on countless others with just about every vendor or designer out ther, work full time with caps (at GMK), and know the risks all too well. I've sen all the backend numbers on these international kits and know that they are consistently the worst selling kits in a set overall. I know Massdrop (from working for them for years) is sitting on a number of these international kits from all of their buys because of very low sales on thes kits.
Money is an issue here. If a smaller vendor is going to risk the kit, paying for extras of an international kit (which will be quite spendy if under 150 units, and it almost certainly will be) could really eat into their profits. For a lot of these vendors they need the profits to continue to provide the services they do. If they don't but the kits and it doesnt make it, you can also be in a very tricky situation. Sure you can refund the money for the failed International Kit, but then what happens when those people don't want a base set or the other additional sets either? Now you refund those, and now you are potentially in a differnt price tier for those other kits making them more expensive. Now price changes for everyone. etc. etc. And this is all going on when the buy is supposed to be "over." It is a very complex issue for sure, which is why people are always cautious with kits and generally not just desinging heaps of kits and throwing them out to "see what sticks." This wouldn't work well at all.
A huge issue with what people have called a "NorDeUK" kit, for instance, is right in the name. It's trying to combine 3+ unique layouts, none of which are very popular in the grand scheme, and make sense of it in a way that makes people happy at a cost they can stomach. If you do all of the languages and layouts right in a combined kit is super expensive, so sales are almost always low. Cut out certain keys for languages and layouts and fewer people are buying the kit.
I'm a huge proprieter that ISO should be supported in base kits. Physical layout is by far the first and most important consideration. Having the correct text layout is far less important. Is it nice to have perfect coverage, of course, but with how many unique physical layouts there are these days you're lucky to even get that. Have we found the "ideal" international kit yet? Honestly, I don't think so. Even internally we've had numerous talks with how to provide these kits for our own sets to the community. We almost certainly will take a loss on the sets if we make even the MOQ. We are doing it for Q:01 for example and fully plan on a loss. Not all vendors can stomach this.
I'm always all ears for someone to come up with a new plan for International Kits, but when one isn't provided it certainly isn't because the designer and/or vendor don't care about those users. It's just never possible to make everyone happy.
Everyone needs to relax and look at the numbers. Let's look at the numbers from the most recent NorDeUK group buy of GMK Dracula!This is absolutely what we need, but I'm assuming nobody knows any numbers besides GMK, the vendors, and the people running the set. I also don't think there is any obligation to publicize those numbers from any of the parties, BUT I do think that if you don't then you should expect voices from people who want support for alternative layouts and sympathize with their plight. Again, I think the real solution to shutting them up is showing these analytics that you suggest. Show them the numbers. Show them how ridiculous their request isShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBOcqVp.png)
NorDeUK MOQ for this set was 50.
To hit that number Olivia++ needs to sell 1200 base kits.
Now if someone wants to do the marketing analysis to project sales, I believe this problem will be solved.
Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?
Sure, but you can similarly say that there is even risk running this set at all without any alt layout kits. I'm certainly not the only one that think that this kit by itself is that risky in the grand scheme of 'assessing risk' though. We can see that's the case with the hype surrounding this set. With that, everyone is very adamant about how risky an alt layout set would be. Everyone is so easily convinced this set will kill (aka not be risky) without the alt kits. We are SURE that is going to happen. Risk analysis has been done by the gmk, the vendors, and runners, and they have concluded that Olivia++ should be run and will make money and will not lose money. Risk analysis (in this case feeding into the hype) has been done by laymen in the community to come to that same conclusion. APPARENTLY risk analysis has been done by all development parties to where offering alt layouts should not be done. There are many people here, including myself that does not and will not use nordeuk, that think that kit will easily make moq. Financial risk on vendors was explained to me very well. I get all of that. What I, and I think a lot of people want to know is what analysis went into coming to the conclusion that nordeuk kits chance AND value of profits do not outweigh the chance AND value of potential losses? There was certainly analysis done on the base kits/kits that are offered, and there was (hopefully?) some done on alt layouts. If a moq of 50 kits is the 0 out number where there are 0 profits and losses, does an extra 30 kits on top of moq not hold good enough value for the potential losses from -10 (40) kits? Was there any predictive analysis done on potential numbers of alt kits to be sold? What are these numbers? What numbers and price of a nordeuk kit need to exist for it to be worth while? What is a real moq at a real price that makes the benefit outweigh the risk. It certainly can't be a moq of 50 at a price of $97 per, because hype kits DO perform well enough to at least meet moq.Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?
I'm not saying one way or another, I'm simply saying and explaining there is risk involved (however big or small) so while input is good to give, you also just have to be respectful of the final decisions the creators go with.
I also don't ever assume how big or small a financial risk is for anyone but myself. What is huge for me may be miniscule to you.
NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
Sure, but you can similarly say that there is even risk running this set at all without any alt layout kits. I'm certainly not the only one that think that this kit by itself is that risky in the grand scheme of 'assessing risk' though. We can see that's the case with the hype surrounding this set. With that, everyone is very adamant about how risky an alt layout set would be. Everyone is so easily convinced this set will kill (aka not be risky) without the alt kits. We are SURE that is going to happen. Risk analysis has been done by the gmk, the vendors, and runners, and they have concluded that Olivia++ should be run and will make money and will not lose money. Risk analysis (in this case feeding into the hype) has been done by laymen in the community to come to that same conclusion. APPARENTLY risk analysis has been done by all development parties to where offering alt layouts should not be done. There are many people here, including myself that does not and will not use nordeuk, that think that kit will easily make moq. Financial risk on vendors was explained to me very well. I get all of that. What I, and I think a lot of people want to know is what analysis went into coming to the conclusion that nordeuk kits chance AND value of profits do not outweigh the chance AND value of potential losses? There was certainly analysis done on the base kits/kits that are offered, and there was (hopefully?) some done on alt layouts. If a moq of 50 kits is the 0 out number where there are 0 profits and losses, does an extra 30 kits on top of moq not hold good enough value for the potential losses from -10 (40) kits? Was there any predictive analysis done on potential numbers of alt kits to be sold? What are these numbers? What numbers and price of a nordeuk kit need to exist for it to be worth while? What is a real moq at a real price that makes the benefit outweigh the risk. It certainly can't be a moq of 50 at a price of $97 per, because hype kits DO perform well enough to at least meet moq.Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?
I'm not saying one way or another, I'm simply saying and explaining there is risk involved (however big or small) so while input is good to give, you also just have to be respectful of the final decisions the creators go with.
I also don't ever assume how big or small a financial risk is for anyone but myself. What is huge for me may be miniscule to you.
I'm not asking for people to take a financial risk by offering alt layouts, I'm asking WHAT that risk is, specifically, straight forward. All I have to go off of are moqs from hype sets and moqs from non-hype sets for my own pseudo analysis. The hype sets I see hit moqs, the non-hype sets don't. My bull**** pseudo analysis tells me that Olivia++ is a hype set, which means a moq of 50 at $100 will be met easily, which means there is a high chance of profit from this kit, which makes it a nobrainer to run. Why am I wrong here? What am I missing in that?
NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
well, as you know, the group of users for that kit are a vocal minority. the backlash would be huge, and there's a reason you don't see 12 kits running for every set.NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
As I understand running a separate GB would have 150MOQ (or maybe even more when its custom colors?). Running extra kit in same GB could have as low as 50MOQ (with higher price like GMK Dracula did) or 100MOQ as usual.
Vendors together will GB-runner can always cancel any kit that did not meet MOQ and that they found its not worth saving. That should not put too much stress/risk on them?
NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
As I understand running a separate GB would have 150MOQ (or maybe even more when its custom colors?). Running extra kit in same GB could have as low as 50MOQ (with higher price like GMK Dracula did) or 100MOQ as usual.
Vendors together will GB-runner can always cancel any kit that did not meet MOQ and that they found its not worth saving. That should not put too much stress/risk on them?
We keep talking about people refunding base kits when moqs for alt kits are missed. That leads me, once again, question all the numbers that nobody ever gives. Are all of 'lost' base kits, especially those far above base kit moq, not just stacks of profit? With the base kits being more expensive than the alt layout kits, do those profits not counteract the potential, or literal, losses on the alt kits? If a single alt kit is equivalent to the purchase of an alt kit + base kit, is it not in the best interests to make it? Obviously, I assume that's the case, but again, I'll keep repeating myself asking for the realistic number values that makes that true or false.NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
As I understand running a separate GB would have 150MOQ (or maybe even more when its custom colors?). Running extra kit in same GB could have as low as 50MOQ (with higher price like GMK Dracula did) or 100MOQ as usual.
Vendors together will GB-runner can always cancel any kit that did not meet MOQ and that they found its not worth saving. That should not put too much stress/risk on them?
If NorDeUk community can't reach MOQ of 100 or 150 with one of the most hyped sets of all time, then maybe the community isn't big enough to sustain the things they are asking for. Which is why I like this idea. Either A) The MOQ is reached, which is great - and everyone gets their keys or B) They realize first hand that there simply aren't enough people using those layouts and the set is either canceled OR the NorDeUk community has to help buy out the set (which they are asking the proxies themselves to do now).
The risk in canceling it a kit was laid out very well above. But essentially if the kit gets canceled, people often pull out of their base kits order too. Which can push the base kits/other child kits under the MOQ thresholds. All of this is done after the GB has ended (or close to it) which puts the stress/risk on the proxies to either A) Buy out the NorDeUk sets or B) risk losing orders which can increase the price if it goes below certain MOQ threshholds.
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
How about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hoops to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
How about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hooks to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
Fall in line, droneHow about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hooks to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
Because they don't care about sharing information, they know people will buy it anyways. This GB is reaching peak arrogance, as it drops in a few weeks and the IC hasn't been touched in a month other than when mandated by a mod. The game was "cute" on day 1, but begging the consumers to solve some riddle to get more information is ridiculous IMO. As has been said previously, this IC is trash.
With that in mind: Please consider that there is also a dark number of people buying the base kit only because there is a NorDeUK (or whatever kit). So the sole sale of a particular kit does probably not do the overall success in terms of income justice.Exactly the position that I and probably every NorDeUK user is in. There are so many sets I didn't buy even though I loved their colours: GMK 8008, GMK Nines and now probably GMK Olivia++.
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How about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hoops to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
This IC only started from October with 1 rendered picture and short announcement, yet there are 7 pages of comments, replies,.etc. I would just call it a huge success. ;D
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
NK and Mykeyboard aren't Massdrop.
PS: Colevrak and norde suck.
(https://i.imgur.com/rowTbGQ.png)You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
NK and Mykeyboard aren't Massdrop.
PS: Colevrak and norde suck.
Group buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Q: Base kits:
A: "The kits will be very different from the original GB to support the 2 different color modes."
If this is not clear enough, this means that Olivia ++ will have two base kits and both kits will have the exact same layout support:
40%, UK ISO, Space Bars, Novelties, and More Novelties.
Group buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
No runner owes anybody any of this, but when they just brush people off with arrogance, they are going to look like a massive **** (your words), and they could have done something about it.We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Again, none of this is owed to anyone, but if people actually cared about all these nordeuk fanboys complaining, there would be a post truly showing how stupid their complaints are. Everyone, INCLUDING NordDeUK fanboys, want a reason for Nordeuk fanboys to shutup, but nobody will give a clearcut reason. NorDeUk is obviously a relevant enough of a layout that it can soak up 4 pages in a month old thread, as well as be a whole meme for drama, but it's also apparently obvious (to runners, vendors, designers) to not run it. Why not just share what is so painfully obvious to runners with the low tier, plebeian drones, so it can be painfully obvious for them too?
LUL I'm sorry did I upset you? Pardon me, let me just fall in line with everyone elseGroup buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
No runner owes anybody any of this, but when they just brush people off with arrogance, they are going to look like a massive **** (your words), and they could have done something about it.We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Again, none of this is owed to anyone, but if people actually cared about all these nordeuk fanboys complaining, there would be a post truly showing how stupid their complaints are. Everyone, INCLUDING NordDeUK fanboys, want a reason for Nordeuk fanboys to shutup, but nobody will give a clearcut reason. NorDeUk is obviously a relevant enough of a layout that it can soak up 4 pages in a month old thread, as well as be a whole meme for drama, but it's also apparently obvious (to runners, vendors, designers) to not run it. Why not just share what is so painfully obvious to runners with the low tier, plebeian drones, so it can be painfully obvious for them too?
Are you done wasting your parents internet bandwidth?
**** off m8
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I officially don't want this anymore.
Not that it matters to anyone but I've never seen this level of arrogance on this platform.
Yeah, same here. No NorDeUK = No purchase. There has probably been like 6-8 sets that i would've wanted to buy the last year but i haven't due to the fact that NorDeUK is not an option. The only one I've jumped on is Oblivion V2 (which hopefully will start shipping soon), and now it looks like Modern Dolch Light may be the next set dropping with Norde included so i'll deffo join that with a full set or two.With that in mind: Please consider that there is also a dark number of people buying the base kit only because there is a NorDeUK (or whatever kit). So the sole sale of a particular kit does probably not do the overall success in terms of income justice.Exactly the position that I and probably every NorDeUK user is in. There are so many sets I didn't buy even though I loved their colours: GMK 8008, GMK Nines and now probably GMK Olivia++.
Open Sesame!Probably a related question: did you use Octave or MATLAB?
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I’m not sure how that comes across as arrogance, but I can tell you that it definitely is not from Olivia. She wanted to do something fun with solving a puzzle. A lot of effort was actually made for this scavenger hunt/ riddle.
The kits will be coming very soon, and they are priced better than I have ever been able to price things.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but that’s not how it was meant to come across.
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I’m not sure how that comes across as arrogance, but I can tell you that it definitely is not from Olivia. She wanted to do something fun with solving a puzzle. A lot of effort was actually made for this scavenger hunt/ riddle.
The kits will be coming very soon, and they are priced better than I have ever been able to price things.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but that’s not how it was meant to come across.
I love scavenger hunts/riddles personally, so I'm a huge fan of what has been done here - as other have stated, I think gating stuff behind it to this extent is a little excessive though. My main qualm with how the IC has been handled is mostly relating to what Zambu addressed above; nothing posted on the date the thread was created, one render thrown out after Hoff called out the lack of information, no real community outreach from any of the people responsible for the project, no kit mockups so that people can know what to expect/how much they should be looking at saving in order to purchase the set, etc.
I just think the advertisement vs actual IC tension here is just too high for a lot of people, comes across as kinda smug being this cryptic and truth be told rightfully so in my opinion, even though I'm entirely sure that's not the intent.
There was huge tumult when Mito used to post his ICs on here if anyone remembers that, because they were basically an ad for his Massdrop collabs rather than an actual interest check - despite him typing out a 1000 line OP with ultra detailed info and responding to basically every single person with concerns. What we've seen here is basically the same except pretty much without the detail, renders and communication from OP's side.
I’m not sure how that comes across as arrogance, but I can tell you that it definitely is not from Olivia. She wanted to do something fun with solving a puzzle. A lot of effort was actually made for this scavenger hunt/ riddle.
The kits will be coming very soon, and they are priced better than I have ever been able to price things.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but that’s not how it was meant to come across.
I love scavenger hunts/riddles personally, so I'm a huge fan of what has been done here - as other have stated, I think gating stuff behind it to this extent is a little excessive though. My main qualm with how the IC has been handled is mostly relating to what Zambu addressed above; nothing posted on the date the thread was created, one render thrown out after Hoff called out the lack of information, no real community outreach from any of the people responsible for the project, no kit mockups so that people can know what to expect/how much they should be looking at saving in order to purchase the set, etc.
I just think the advertisement vs actual IC tension here is just too high for a lot of people, comes across as kinda smug being this cryptic and truth be told rightfully so in my opinion, even though I'm entirely sure that's not the intent.
There was huge tumult when Mito used to post his ICs on here if anyone remembers that, because they were basically an ad for his Massdrop collabs rather than an actual interest check - despite him typing out a 1000 line OP with ultra detailed info and responding to basically every single person with concerns. What we've seen here is basically the same except pretty much without the detail, renders and communication from OP's side.
Very much agree with this statement. I mentioned earlier, but the puzzle on day one was cool - me and my buddy were messaging each other trying to figure it out, and it was fun to see/read the reveal and write up of the puzzle. A month later and only weeks before GB, having no more information than the picture that was already leaked before the IC is just too much of a "dgaf" vibe, intentional or not.
Updated the IC with the full details. Thank you very much friends for your patience!
Oh wow I was expeciting $120 for base but this is even better! Thanks Olivia and vendors! :thumb:
Argh. I was actually hoping we'd be allowed to just purchase dark alphas separately instead of being forced to purchase a whole base kit..
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Are the split white space bars missing from the space bars kit or is that just a render error?
If you're taking feedback...
I'd like to see split bars and the extra 'B' in the spacebar kit please. Preferably the white bars.
Updated the IC with the full details. Thank you very much friends for your patience!(https://i.imgur.com/bbulQbA.png)
why the price in Europe is so different than US? (it is information not a controversy)
LUL I'm sorry did I upset you? Pardon me, let me just fall in line with everyone elseGroup buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
No runner owes anybody any of this, but when they just brush people off with arrogance, they are going to look like a massive **** (your words), and they could have done something about it.We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Again, none of this is owed to anyone, but if people actually cared about all these nordeuk fanboys complaining, there would be a post truly showing how stupid their complaints are. Everyone, INCLUDING NordDeUK fanboys, want a reason for Nordeuk fanboys to shutup, but nobody will give a clearcut reason. NorDeUk is obviously a relevant enough of a layout that it can soak up 4 pages in a month old thread, as well as be a whole meme for drama, but it's also apparently obvious (to runners, vendors, designers) to not run it. Why not just share what is so painfully obvious to runners with the low tier, plebeian drones, so it can be painfully obvious for them too?
Are you done wasting your parents internet bandwidth?
**** off m8
Are the split white space bars missing from the space bars kit or is that just a render error?If you're taking feedback...
I'd like to see split bars and the extra 'B' in the spacebar kit please. Preferably the white bars.
they're in "Extra Mods" kit
So much drama surrounding this set. Shush and be grateful you're even getting a chance to order it again. :eek:
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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Lmao sorry for being dumb. My eyes and brain don't work well at 6am@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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I think you both mean 1.5u...
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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I think you both mean 1.5u...
@Olivia
Great kits! Love that there are two separate base kits so you won't be forced to buy an additional alpha kit!
One of the main things I hear a lot about the OG Olivia set is that there only are accents spacebars. With that in mind, have you considered adding alpha colored split spacebar support to perhaps the add-on kit or the spacebar kit? I honestly don't have an exact idea how to split this up, since it would either make the add-on kit very big (and most likely expensive) or would mean that for 40's support you'd have to buy both spacebar kit AND 40's kit. My first gut feeling would be to keep the add-on as-is but alpha colored split spacebar support to the spacebar kit making that slightly larger.
please consider changing the r2 1.50 delete to backspace, i don't see why you would put delete there
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!
Is the GB limited quantity?
In short, I don't like any of the other options except for 1.5u Delete. As you can see in the OG HHKB, Delete was Fujitsu's solution as well. I appreciate you all bringing it up, I'm quite firm in my opinion on this.
Can discussion remain open for 2 more weeks?!
Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
The thread was locked when "yeah this is getting a timeout" was posted, and the "okay lets try this again" was added when the thread was unlocked.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
So how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
Okay sweet thanks. Any idea where people get something like that from gmk? I’m very new to this hobby lolSo how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
So how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
So how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
What sets have CP spacebars?
you should check GMK FuyuSo how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
What sets have CP spacebars?
you should check GMK FuyuSo how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
What sets have CP spacebars?
Am I the only one think that ISO kit should just stay with core kit instead of getting split and price increase, I am ANSI user, though
IC stands for "interest check". Clearly, by the number of times people have come on this thread to rant about there not being support for layout xyz, and how this is simply an ad, there is significant interest in the set. Hence, interest has been checked. I don't know what exactly people who clog up this thread with aimless comments are trying to achieve.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Runners, whilst encouraged to, are certainly NOT any obligation to respond to any queries/demands that may come his/her way, and likewise, simply posting a question in no way entitles one to an answer, no matter how desperate you may be for one.It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
Waiting for deskmat and artisan :cool:Same
It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.If the runner wants total control then why not order few thousand sets on her own and advertise and hype the sale with nonsense puzzles for as long as she likes?
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
There is no ceasing or minivan production just a closing of the shop and a change in the way things will happen, and even if there were it doesn’t change the fact that there are a ton of minivan users out there. Past behavior what a joke, the current pettiness of designers who are still boycotting a couple keys is what needs to be answered.It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
And what would admitting that do for you? It wouldn't change the fact that support is still not gonna be added for the van or any of the other boards that chooses to use the same layout. And I guess you could also consider your suggestions received, considered and discarded.Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
Ultimately it’s obvious that van support got removed because Zamb got involved and still has twisted knickers. I just wish it would get admitted.
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Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
Ultimately it’s obvious that van support got removed because Zamb got involved and still has twisted knickers. I just wish it would get admitted.
Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
There is no ceasing or minivan production just a closing of the shop and a change in the way things will happen, and even if there were it doesn’t change the fact that there are a ton of minivan users out there. Past behavior what a joke, the current pettiness of designers who are still boycotting a couple keys is what needs to be answered.It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.
Ultimately it’s obvious that van support got removed because Zamb got involved and still has twisted knickers. I just wish it would get admitted.
In short, I don't like any of the other options except for 1.5u Delete. As you can see in the OG HHKB, Delete was Fujitsu's solution as well. I appreciate you all bringing it up, I'm quite firm in my opinion on this.Show Image(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-bj9b4ipm7o/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3237/5563/CG01000-291601__23345.1541094873.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)
Now that all the criticism has been deleted by the mod the thread is open again for advertising purposes. So that's how this works.
[...] don't care for Olivia at all.
i think we are missing a rama cap?yeah hope there will be rama caps or other artisan
Nice kits and prices Olivia, a little sad that I can't proxy the set this time around but I'm definitely setting aside funds for this :thumb:
While ya'll busy discussing 40s and nordeuk and whatnot, you are all ignoring the real issue at hand.Icon plus text is great. Best compromise anyway.
Zambumon killed any chance of icon mods. :'(
Nice kits and prices Olivia, a little sad that I can't proxy the set this time around but I'm definitely setting aside funds for this :thumb:
While ya'll busy discussing 40s and nordeuk and whatnot, you are all ignoring the real issue at hand.
Zambumon killed any chance of icon mods. :'(
While ya'll busy discussing 40s and nordeuk and whatnot, you are all ignoring the real issue at hand.
Zambumon killed any chance of icon mods. :'(