Introducing the KS Mini

[hazeluff]

Introducing the KS Mini. A fully programmable DIY Keyboard. Designed by none other than Mr Hazeluff (me ; p). This board is planned to be sold in a group buy style with switch options and two different layouts.




Read more here.


Feel free to comment/ask questions/give suggestions.

[cactux]

good luck with your new project guys

[Matt3o]

I'm totally in!

[boost]

Count me in

[absyrd]

I want it. Including the rubber-band ties!

[Halverson]

Do want!

[mm87]

Since the winkeyless is based on MX Mini, any chance at all that the winkeyless PCB will be compatible with the LZ-Mini alum. housing (here), in case that it will stop being just a tease and actually be available?

[i3oilermaker]

I'm intrigued...What do the blank keys in the top right do?

[mkawa]

awesome hazel! does sherry have a prototype of this board yet?

[Dajm]

Very interested in this!

[hazeluff]

awesome hazel! does sherry have a prototype of this board yet?

Not yet, I have the only working board so far. He'll get one once the design gets finalized.

I'm intrigued...What do the blank keys in the top right do?

It can do whatever you want. Mines going to be one that makes me ruler of the world (tho I have not tested this function yet).

Since the winkeyless is based on MX Mini, any chance at all that the winkeyless PCB will be compatible with the LZ-Mini alum. housing (here), in case that it will stop being just a tease and actually be available?

It will most likely will not be. It was not designed to fit in another keyboard's case.

I want it. Including the rubber-band ties!

Rubber-bands not included. How about screws?

[OrangeJewce]

Would this qualify as something like a 75% board?

+1 Interest.

Cheers,

[jcrouse]

I'm in for one.

[hazeluff]

Would this qualify as something like a 75% board?

+1 Interest.

Cheers,

I don't know how people have defined the "Mini". Its area is about %60-70 of a 104 layout.

[jdcarpe]

I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.

So this should be considered a 75%

[boost]

Would there be an option to purchase PCB separate?

[hazeluff]

I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.

So this should be considered a 75%

Man I'm such a noob.

Would there be an option to purchase PCB separate?

Will be considered.

[Matt3o]

still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard 

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard 

IMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.

UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB.  Does such a keyboard even exist?

[jdcarpe]

And how would you get nkro over wireless USB?

[hazeluff]

still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard 

IMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.

UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB.  Does such a keyboard even exist?

It can be done, but selecting battery cell + designing the charging circuit will be the "tricky" part. But Wireless is always asking for trouble imo.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

And how would you get nkro over wireless USB?

Well considering many wired USB keyboards are still only 6KRO, I would have to say that it would be unlikely that an affordable wireless keyboard can be made with NKRO.

[Matt3o]

IMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.

I usually have to change the batteries to my wireless keyboard every 6-8 months with heavy usage... I'd say that it's acceptable

UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB.  Does such a keyboard even exist?

that is a great idea. there are some mice that can be recharged via usb (from roccat and razer)

And how would you get nkro over wireless USB?

6KRO is good enough for me

It can be done, but selecting battery cell + designing the charging circuit will be the "tricky" part. But Wireless is always asking for trouble imo.

Considering that there are 0 wireless mechanical keyboards (although the KBT bluetooth will be out soon)... I suppose it might be a good niche

[yearn4]

no soldering necessary!!
plate mounted!!
any guesstimates on price point?

[rknize]

Nice work.  A bit like the Race, but with more standard caps.

[leesofi]

its like Noppo choc.
mod 1.5 ->1.25 and longer spcaebar.

good job.

[Kellybear]

O_O!!!

Do you have different cases? Or can these boards fit MX mini cases?

[alaricljs]

no soldering necessary!!

Umm, wrong.  Notice it says DIY.  Also go to the main web page and look that it may even require SMT soldering.

[hazeluff]

no soldering necessary!!

Umm, wrong.  Notice it says DIY.  Also go to the main web page and look that it may even require SMT soldering.

Depending on response, we may do them for those who want it. It just depends on how adventurous everyone feels.

[ekw808]

This looks pretty identical to a MX mini except without the 1.5x modifiers, and that is what I am assuming is a centered stemmed caps lock?

[jcrouse]

I'll be in.

[hashbaz]

This looks pretty identical to a MX mini except without the 1.5x modifiers, and that is what I am assuming is a centered stemmed caps lock?

But by geekhackers for geekhackers.

[hoggy]

Looks nice. I'm in.

[hazeluff]

This looks pretty identical to a MX mini except without the 1.5x modifiers, and that is what I am assuming is a centered stemmed caps lock?

The main thing I addressed was the use of the more standard set of keys here. Which is the 1.25x modifiers and the 6.25x spacebar, which you find on most of the more recent made boards.

And yes, it is a centered stemmed caps lock.

[Elrick]

Nice work.  A bit like the Race, but with more standard caps.

I was going to buy a RACE for sure, but I think I will wait for yours.  Please say you will provide some kind of indestructible casing design for this venture?

[hazeluff]

Nice work.  A bit like the Race, but with more standard caps.

I was going to buy a RACE for sure, but I think I will wait for yours.  Please say you will provide some kind of indestructible casing design for this venture?

The case is planned to be made from sheets of acrylic. I don't know if thats indestructible enough for you tho.

[Matt3o]

will it be 6kro, right?

[cancelx]

Any info about the price? This thing is tempting

[hazeluff]

will it be 6kro, right?

Running a modified Phantom firmware, which is 6KRO I believe.

Any info about the price? This thing is tempting

Still finishing it up, I'll start calculating that afterwards.

[dorkvader]

Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?

Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!

[hazeluff]

Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?

Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!

SMD will be done at one point or another. I'd like to offer it up for people if they want to do it themselves, but I'll probably be the one doing soldering for SMD parts if you don't want to do it.

This will leave switch, diode and LEDs as through holes let to build.

Mainly is, i want to see how many people would be OK with SMD.

[telepete]

The winkeyless layout is sweet. The site also says it comes with keycaps as well as the case. This may be too rich for my blood but I'm interested as long as the price is sane.

[hazeluff]

The winkeyless layout is sweet. The site also says it comes with keycaps as well as the case. This may be too rich for my blood but I'm interested as long as the price is sane.

We probably won't make the keycaps compulsary, but it'll be something we probably will offer to make the keyboard complete. = )

[metalliqaz]

Im pretty darn sure that I will be in for 1 or more.   Switch options?

[hazeluff]

Im pretty darn sure that I will be in for 1 or more.   Switch options?

Red, Blue, Brown, Black

The standards.

[jdcarpe]

Are those keycaps the Cream Cheese and Blue set? Or are they a different set?

[boost]

Are those keycaps the Cream Cheese and Blue set? Or are they a different set?

This. Maybe the d3 set

[Broadmonkey]

I'm very interested in this, might also be interested in soldering everything myself if it makes it cheaper.

[hazeluff]

Are those keycaps the Cream Cheese and Blue set? Or are they a different set?

The keycaps are undecided. Could be Cream Cheese and Blue or could be Blue and White scheme. It hasn't been set in stone yet.

[TheProfosist]

Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?

Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!

im interested an agree with this you should have the smd done by the factory if possible and id be willing to build kits for people that want the board but dont want to solder.

Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.


 

[hazeluff]

Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?

Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!

im interested an agree with this you should have the smd done by the factory if possible and id be willing to build kits for people that want the board but dont want to solder.

Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.

I flipped one of the 1.25x onto the other side to make the bottom row look a bit more balanced on both sides.

[Matt3o]

Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.

your layout, TheProfosist, if probably my ideal keyboard layout I'd probably put FN instead of Menu, though

[AKIMbO]

I'm in for one but only if the smd soldering is pre-done.  Through hole is easy sauce that I can do no problem.  Smd...not so much.

[metalliqaz]

Hard to find a R1 'end' key, though.

[TheProfosist]

Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?

Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!

im interested an agree with this you should have the smd done by the factory if possible and id be willing to build kits for people that want the board but dont want to solder.

Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.

I flipped one of the 1.25x onto the other side to make the bottom row look a bit more balanced on both sides.

Would you be able to design the PCB so that my layout is supported? If not its not much different so no big deal. The spacebar is still standard right?

Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.

your layout, TheProfosist, if probably my ideal keyboard layout I'd probably put FN instead of Menu, though

the only key its missing is pause/break and the reason why there is no Fn layer is because i had originally designed it for WASD and he was trying to stay away from that.

[Broadmonkey]

Do you have a rough idea of what it would cost for PCB (with LED, diodes and SMD), plate and controller? eg. everything except case, switches and keycaps.

[TheProfosist]

Do you have a rough idea of what it would cost for PCB (with LED, diodes and SMD), plate and controller? eg. everything except case, switches and keycaps.

Asked the same thing a bit ago, it isnt known because everything has been order singularly up until now. But price is assumed to be some where around the Phantom.

[TheProfosist]

How is the progress coming on this?

[sherryton]

We're still coming up with a key set that is only for this keyboard.  We thought it would not be fair to put the CCnB on it since we are going to do it anyway.  We'll put something more limited as a key set for this keyboard.

[TheProfosist]

Could you  possibly post a blank winkey layout of the keyboard so that I can work on my own layout?

[TheProfosist]

Thanks Hazeluff send me a blank layout.

Here it is for anyone who wants to fool around with coming up with their on layout or layers:

[Matt3o]

are there any softwares to design this kind of layouts (with color and legend)? If not, why don't we make one

[TheProfosist]

are there any softwares to design this kind of layouts (with color and legend)? If not, why don't we make one

no i dont think there is specific software or atleast i dont know of any i have just been using photoshop to add legends. It gets the job done for just demonstrating a layout.

[OrangeJewce]

are there any softwares to design this kind of layouts (with color and legend)? If not, why don't we make one

no i dont think there is specific software or atleast i dont know of any i have just been using photoshop to add legends. It gets the job done for just demonstrating a layout.

GIMP is also quite good for this kind of thing, if you're for tux!

Cheers,

[Matt3o]

yeah, photoshop or gimp or even inkscape might all work. I was thinking about something more automated everyone could enjoy. I might invest some time in a software like that (maybe even browser based), but maybe it's something too technical to have a decent audience.

[OrangeJewce]

yeah, photoshop or gimp or even inkscape might all work. I was thinking about something more automated everyone could enjoy. I might invest some time in a software like that (maybe even browser based), but maybe it's something too technical to have a decent audience.

I think it'd be challenging but also would be really cool. I say go for it!

Cheers,

[hazeluff]

yeah, photoshop or gimp or even inkscape might all work. I was thinking about something more automated everyone could enjoy. I might invest some time in a software like that (maybe even browser based), but maybe it's something too technical to have a decent audience.

Could always write a program to produce SVG. Since the file is technically are just a text files.

Actually you can do it as actual images too.

[hazeluff]

Anyway here are some images. I got the screws to hold the whole thing together. Looks slick.

[Matt3o]

neat!

wouldn't be nice to do it with inset screws?

[1stGenRex]

still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard 

IMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.

UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB.  Does such a keyboard even exist?

Sanyo Eneloops work well in keyboards. I ran them in my MX5500. Rechargeable batteries are less of a PITA if they last for months of daily use, and you don't have to keep buying them.

[hazeluff]

still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard 

IMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.

UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB.  Does such a keyboard even exist?

Sanyo Eneloops work well in keyboards. I ran them in my MX5500. Rechargeable batteries are less of a PITA if they last for months of daily use, and you don't have to keep buying them.

The problem is partially replacing batteries, but also the fact that at any moment in a game the battery could run out. The number of times its happened to me playing WoW back in the day is uncountable.

[TheProfosist]

still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard 

IMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.

UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB.  Does such a keyboard even exist?

Sanyo Eneloops work well in keyboards. I ran them in my MX5500. Rechargeable batteries are less of a PITA if they last for months of daily use, and you don't have to keep buying them.

The problem is partially replacing batteries, but also the fact that at any moment in a game the battery could run out. The number of times its happened to me playing WoW back in the day is uncountable.

when the device tells you the battey is low, change it or charge it. Theres really no reason to have it die on you

[dorkvader]

Have a circuit that tells you when the system (battery) voltage drops below a certain level. Having an LED turn on when this occurs is simple, and only requires a few extra parts. You could even have a buzzer inside chirp at you to make sure you notice.

If this were wireless, I'm pretty sure I'd not use that feature, though I'm sure it'd be nice to have for some. The best way to make sure your batteries don't run out is to use wired power during any critical task (like WoW raids, etc.) or to have such superhuge batteries that it's no issue. I really want to measure my model F-122 internals to see if D batteries will fit in there. Having a portable, wireless, behemoth is so awesome, it must be made.

[sordna]

I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.

So this should be considered a 75%

I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?

[Appeac]

I'm very interested in this depending on price, and as long as SMT is handled already.

[TheProfosist]

I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.

So this should be considered a 75%

I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?

I would probably say no to that because the few extra keys you get on the function row allow you to fit a TKL layout into a smaller form factor and still have all of the keys. Example my layout I made for WASD that I plan to use on my KS Mini until layers are supported.

[TDub]

Definitly interessted!

[hazeluff]

I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.

So this should be considered a 75%

I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?

I would probably say no to that because the few extra keys you get on the function row allow you to fit a TKL layout into a smaller form factor and still have all of the keys. Example my layout I made for WASD that I plan to use on my KS Mini until layers are supported.
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I've Tested layers on my firmware. Not sure if it's the best implementation, but it does work.

[TheProfosist]

I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.

So this should be considered a 75%

I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?

I would probably say no to that because the few extra keys you get on the function row allow you to fit a TKL layout into a smaller form factor and still have all of the keys. Example my layout I made for WASD that I plan to use on my KS Mini until layers are supported.
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I've Tested layers on my firmware. Not sure if it's the best implementation, but it does work.

i might re think my layout to be more like my phantom then idk because i did make a rather nice standard layout though.

[OrangeJewce]

I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.

So this should be considered a 75%

I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?

I think the closes we've gotten is ErgoDox-ish (76 keys). So it definitely can be done, however it does require layers on the firmware level.

Cheers,

[TheProfosist]

Hows is this project coming along any update is better than nothing.

[hazeluff]

Hows is this project coming along any update is better than nothing.

Just settled into new home and I'm starting to settle into my new job. I am currently looking to finish off the case and things should get rolling again after that.

[TheProfosist]

Hows is this project coming along any update is better than nothing.

Just settled into new home and I'm starting to settle into my new job. I am currently looking to finish off the case and things should get rolling again after that.

sounds great!

[theultrazord]

I'm so excited about this that I'm refusing to buy any new KBs until this comes out. Any idea about time frame? Also since you have prototypes already you might want to try kickstarter.com where people love to spend money on DIY type products.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Interested in this. Does this also use the teensy controller for easy reprogramming? If not, what controller is it using?

[phetto]

Would it fit in the LZ mini case?

[hazeluff]

I'm so excited about this that I'm refusing to buy any new KBs until this comes out. Any idea about time frame? Also since you have prototypes already you might want to try kickstarter.com where people love to spend money on DIY type products.

Thank you for your support. The time frame would be months. I've got a couple design changes in mind and I can't push to get it down as fast as I would like.

Money isn't the real problem, so we won't be using kickstarter.

Interested in this. Does this also use the teensy controller for easy reprogramming? If not, what controller is it using?

It uses the same micro-controller as the teensy and at the moment is using a ported version of the Phantom firmware. The only difference will be how you load it onto the keyboard. I'll see if I can write some simple package to load the firmware instead of going through the commands/tools of programming the atmel chip.

The chip is: atmega32u4

Would it fit in the LZ mini case?

Probably not.

[TheProfosist]

Was told to post here by sherriton wether im for winkey or winkeyless:

I want my winkey as its very helpful in win 7 and will be even more so in 8.

[hazeluff]

Was told to post here by sherriton wether im for winkey or winkeyless:

I want my winkey as its very helpful in win 7 and will be even more so in 8.

Indeed. People should start using their window key, specially those with 7.

-Resize windows
-Launch apps
-Show desktop
-Its awesome

[alaricljs]

Great for people at work that leave their desk:  Win-L (Lock screen)

And I map the Win-key to other combos in Windows:  minimize active window, media/volume control,

And in Linux I map it to window management stuff:  win-mouse drag is move window, win-# or arrows is virt desktop switching, ctrl-win-# or arrow is move window to a virt desktop,

and the list goes on!

All that said, awesome keyboard, now a form factor I'm interested in so don't take this as a vote... good luck!

[Matt3o]

I'm definitely pro winkey (1 on the left), or better let's call it "super" On linux it's pretty handy.

[bpiphany]

Yes, I'm getting pretty accustomed to this Unity thing by now. Super+W, Super+Number, and so on..

[WhiteFireDragon]

It uses the same micro-controller as the teensy and at the moment is using a ported version of the Phantom firmware. The only difference will be how you load it onto the keyboard. I'll see if I can write some simple package to load the firmware instead of going through the commands/tools of programming the atmel chip.

The chip is: atmega32u4

So meaning it uses the atmega32u4 chip (same as phantom), but will be soldered directly on the keyboard's PCB instead of having a separate daughterboard like in phantom or Filco? If this is the case, does that mean that all other SMD components (including the mini-USB port) will be soldered directly on the PCB from the factory? I'm very interested to see how the end product turns out.

[hazeluff]

It uses the same micro-controller as the teensy and at the moment is using a ported version of the Phantom firmware. The only difference will be how you load it onto the keyboard. I'll see if I can write some simple package to load the firmware instead of going through the commands/tools of programming the atmel chip.

The chip is: atmega32u4

So meaning it uses the atmega32u4 chip (same as phantom), but will be soldered directly on the keyboard's PCB instead of having a separate daughterboard like in phantom or Filco? If this is the case, does that mean that all other SMD components (including the mini-USB port) will be soldered directly on the PCB from the factory? I'm very interested to see how the end product turns out.

I'll have it arranged that you have the choice of doing the SMD or not.

And yes, the MCU is soldered right onto the PCB instead of having a teensy attached or having a daughterboard.

[dorkvader]

I'm definitely pro winkey (1 on the left), or better let's call it "super" On linux it's pretty handy.

I agree. I use super more in linux than windows. It's also pretty easy to make up more with openbox.

[Broadmonkey]

As much as I would love to use 1.5 mods, I simply can't live without a left sided winkey. So my vote goes toward a winkey setup.

[metalliqaz]

You can use 1.5 mods and still have a winkey.  (eg. The Cheat)

[Broadmonkey]

But The Cheat is a TKL, and this is a 75% (IIRC) So it wouldn't be possible to have both winkey and 1.5 mods.
I guess you could just map a winkey to one of the keys furthest to the right, but I like it on the left (easier to use with win+E etc.)

[TheProfosist]

But The Cheat is a TKL, and this is a 75% (IIRC) So it wouldn't be possible to have both winkey and 1.5 mods.
I guess you could just map a winkey to one of the keys furthest to the right, but I like it on the left (easier to use with win+E etc.)

that reminds me as i hadnt heard of that shorcut before is there a list of all those win+ shorcuts somwhere? i mean there were a bunch of just shortcuts in general that were added in win7 that were never really publicized and should have been

[tjcaustin]

I want one, but I'm impatient.

[moonprismpwr]

This looks really awesome hazelhuff ^^ I'm a fan of mini boards and I could definitely see this being my second one

[metalliqaz]

But The Cheat is a TKL, and this is a 75% (IIRC) So it wouldn't be possible to have both winkey and 1.5 mods.
I guess you could just map a winkey to one of the keys furthest to the right, but I like it on the left (easier to use with win+E etc.)

What are you talking about?  Of course it is possible.  example.  It's called a 1x winkey.  Same as the cheat, same as my realforce, etc.

[Broadmonkey]

In this case you can´t have 1.5 mods and winkey, even though it is 1x winkey. What we are choosing with 1.5 mods is this:


As you can see no winkey, unless you of course map it to the furthest right as I said before.

The kmac mini has a unique design that only has one modifier on the right. Personally I would consider it one of the best layouts since I only really use FN and ALT on the right, and FN can easily be placed elsewhere.

If we could just copy the kmac mini and and ad an F-row on top, it would solve the problem of the missing left winkey. 

that reminds me as i hadnt heard of that shorcut before is there a list of all those win+ shorcuts somwhere?

Longwheight made a nice collection on this website http://www.key-bored.net/keyboard-shortcuts/

[metalliqaz]

Oh, I see.  Didn't know the spacebar was shifted so far over to the left like that!

[Skull_Angel]

It's a nice layout, I'll agree. But, if you want to look at it from a (MMO) gaming perspective, having the left Alt pushed nearly 1x left like that makes using it as a modifier more awkward than it already is. Sorry, I guess I'm just too use to having 3 - 1.25x mods myself (makes finding a suitable SSK/SFF board tough, lol).

[metalliqaz]

I never look at a keyboard from a MMO gaming perspective

[m00nshake]

Dag gone it, I want one!

[TheProfosist]

Any progress on this since last update?

[gimpster]

Bump. Any end-of-year update?

PS - now that I have my MX Mini put together, I would strongly echo the sentiment that the left Alt is too far left. The spacebar should be shortened, the left Alt moved to the right, and a space added for a 1x key that could be used as a Winkey, a Fn key, or anything else you wanted. The Ctrl and Alt keys on both sides could remain 1.5x keys or you could shorten one of them to 1.25x so that you'd be left with a 6.25x spacebar.

[sherryton]

Sorry about this.  Wait for our other stuff.  We're super busy getting everything else ready.  We just got a few shipments of things we have to organize. 

Would you guys prefer to continue this or go with our new PCB 60% (aka Phantom 60%)?

[SmallFry]

Sorry about this.  Wait for our other stuff.  We're super busy getting everything else ready.  We just got a few shipments of things we have to organize. 

Would you guys prefer to continue this or go with our new PCB 60% (aka Phantom 60%)?

You have got to be kidding me with the Phantom 60%, with the GH60 coming out and all. Why don't you publicize what your business plans are?

[JPG]

I like the 75% layout very interesting. Very compact yet you dont really miss anything.

Will be following this project

[Matt3o]

so is this going to the oblivion? Personally I have no interest in a 60%

[hazeluff]

Its not in oblivion. I'm finding a solution for our plate at the moment. Sherry's on it.

[The_Beast]

Sorry about this.  Wait for our other stuff.  We're super busy getting everything else ready.  We just got a few shipments of things we have to organize. 

Would you guys prefer to continue this or go with our new PCB 60% (aka Phantom 60%)?

You have got to be kidding me with the Phantom 60%, with the GH60 coming out and all. Why don't you publicize what your business plans are?

Sometimes you just can't tell everyone everything. I've signed HUGE NDA telling me not to say anything to anyone about upcoming business plans, it's just how businesses have to work.

It would have been nice if sherry would have, but I also see how sometimes you can't disclose everything.

[sherryton]

I do not plan to mess with the GH60.  I plan to come with it after.  I'm getting quotes on plate for the Mini.

[TheProfosist]

im geting a warning for keyboard story from chrome

[sherryton]

me too.  im tr

im geting a warning for keyboard story from chrome

me too. trying to clean it up.

[rDuck]

I certainly hope this keyboard wont be scrapped was very much looking forward to the winkey version of this, and a 60% keyboard isent of very much interrest to me, compared to a 75%

[hazeluff]

im geting a warning for keyboard story from chrome

I've just cleaned the site. Google's reviewing it now. The warnings coming because there's links to the site ><.

[samwisekoi]

Bump. Any end-of-year update?

PS - now that I have my MX Mini put together, I would strongly echo the sentiment that the left Alt is too far left. The spacebar should be shortened, the left Alt moved to the right, and a space added for a 1x key that could be used as a Winkey, a Fn key, or anything else you wanted. The Ctrl and Alt keys on both sides could remain 1.5x keys or you could shorten one of them to 1.25x so that you'd be left with a 6.25x spacebar.

I like this keyboard a lot.  But I agree with gimpster on a couple of fronts.  One is the placement, the other is how many keys would not be included in a normal 87/104 keycap set.  So here is a very similar layout designed to address those issues.


Keycaps in brown do not match keys in standard 87/104 sets.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[litster]

I like samwisekoi's layout.  and it is almost like MX Mini's layout.  the problem with sam's layout is, as he pointed out, some keys are of non-standard profile and width at their locations.  If custom keycaps are made for them, it would work.

For me personally, the right-most column would be from top to bottom:
Del
Home
PageUp
PageDown
End

This matches with a lot of laptop layouts out there :-)

[pasph]

Bump. Any end-of-year update?

PS - now that I have my MX Mini put together, I would strongly echo the sentiment that the left Alt is too far left. The spacebar should be shortened, the left Alt moved to the right, and a space added for a 1x key that could be used as a Winkey, a Fn key, or anything else you wanted. The Ctrl and Alt keys on both sides could remain 1.5x keys or you could shorten one of them to 1.25x so that you'd be left with a 6.25x spacebar.

I like this keyboard a lot.  But I agree with gimpster on a couple of fronts.  One is the placement, the other is how many keys would not be included in a normal 87/104 keycap set.  So here is a very similar layout designed to address those issues.

(Attachment Link)
Keycaps in brown do not match keys in standard 87/104 sets.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

+1

[samwisekoi]

I like samwisekoi's layout.  and it is almost like MX Mini's layout.  the problem with sam's layout is, as he pointed out, some keys are of non-standard profile and width at their locations.  If custom keycaps are made for them, it would work.

For me personally, the right-most column would be from top to bottom:
Del
Home
PageUp
PageDown
End

This matches with a lot of laptop layouts out there :-)

The right-hand keys aren't shown in my preferred arrangement either -- they show how to minimize the number of "specials" needed.  For example, I never use the "print" key, but some do, so I dropped it up there.

Personally, I think it would be awesome if the extra 10 1x keys could be re-legendable or blank.  And re-mappable!

GH75 anyone?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[rDuck]

well the original blog http://blog.keyboardstory.com/introducing-the-ks-mini/ post says that the keyboard will be fully programable so that should fix any mapping needs, also the winkey layout is almost exactly whats being proposed except with a 1.25 ctrl, instead of alt key

[samwisekoi]

well the original blog http://blog.keyboardstory.com/introducing-the-ks-mini/ post says that the keyboard will be fully programable so that should fix any mapping needs, also the winkey layout is almost exactly whats being proposed except with a 1.25 ctrl, instead of alt key

Well, rats.  I hadn't read that until now.  I use Ctrl_R way more than Alt_R anyhow, so that layout is a-okay!

Keyboardstory, come take my money!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[sherryton]

well the original blog http://blog.keyboardstory.com/introducing-the-ks-mini/ post says that the keyboard will be fully programable so that should fix any mapping needs, also the winkey layout is almost exactly whats being proposed except with a 1.25 ctrl, instead of alt key

Well, rats.  I hadn't read that until now.  I use Ctrl_R way more than Alt_R anyhow, so that layout is a-okay!

Keyboardstory, come take my money!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Okay, I'll take your money soon.  I was working on doing a stainless steel plate, but the company FINALLY responded today. 

[dorkvader]

Don't you hate it when your customers are clamoring for faster times, but you're stuck on waiting for another company to quit dragging their feet and give you a quote? That happens to me all the time, and I hate it 'cause after doing everything in my power to make things quick, I end up being slow because of someone else.

Still, good to hear. It looks like we are one step closer to production.

[sherryton]

Don't you hate it when your customers are clamoring for faster times, but you're stuck on waiting for another company to quit dragging their feet and give you a quote? That happens to me all the time, and I hate it 'cause after doing everything in my power to make things quick, I end up being slow because of someone else.

Still, good to hear. It looks like we are one step closer to production.

There is a lot of things dragging us down right now.  Not just this one, but it is our fault.

[gimpster]

Glad to hear this is still moving forward. My wallet waits with bated breath.

[rDuck]

now that originativeco.com is up again, any updates on the KS Mini?

[sherryton]

Yeah, boost is doing the plates.  We are almost on our way there now.

[calavera]

So there will be no other case options available, correct?

[gimpster]

Is there any update on this? I've been off the board for like a month and was hoping to have some new update...

[gimpster]

*crickets*

Srsly? Is this just dead, or what?

[SmallFry]

This is really dead. Hazelhuff has basically disappeared from a forum standpoint.

[metalliqaz]

You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase.  Or is it GH60++?  Something like that.

[samwisekoi]

You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase.  Or is it GH60++?  Something like that.

GH60++ includes the GH65 (GH60 + one column) and GH75 (GH65 + one row).  You can see the GH75 in my sig and in several pictures from the packing party and in various threads.

The GH75 we hope to make with a modular PCB, so the user can remove the function key row to make a GH65.  Regardless, we are only waiting for the GH60 project to stop cycling so we can loop a PCB designer into the team and go to production.

Plates, cases, and firmware are designed and/or available. Retro DSA keycaps fit 100% of the keyboard.  We just need a PCB to launch the GB.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[JPG]

You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase.  Or is it GH60++?  Something like that.

GH60++ includes the GH65 (GH60 + one column) and GH75 (GH65 + one row).  You can see the GH75 in my sig and in several pictures from the packing party and in various threads.

The GH75 we hope to make with a modular PCB, so the user can remove the function key row to make a GH65.  Regardless, we are only waiting for the GH60 project to stop cycling so we can loop a PCB designer into the team and go to production.

Plates, cases, and firmware are designed and/or available. Retro DSA keycaps fit 100% of the keyboard.  We just need a PCB to launch the GB.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

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Will the GH60++ fit with any keycap (I am pretty sure that it would, but since you insist on DSA maybe it is specifically oriented for this specific profile). Also, will it be ready for full backlit or not?

These features are not like 100% essentials, but since the design is oriented for less key placement options (I like the way they are placed anyway) and the backlit was not an option on the GH60, it would be nice to have it on this project.   :cool:

[SmallFry]

It would be wonderful if I could get ahold of Hazel. Hmm...

* SmallFry checks his Steam.

[samwisekoi]

You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase.  Or is it GH60++?  Something like that.

GH60++ includes the GH65 (GH60 + one column) and GH75 (GH65 + one row).  You can see the GH75 in my sig and in several pictures from the packing party and in various threads.

The GH75 we hope to make with a modular PCB, so the user can remove the function key row to make a GH65.  Regardless, we are only waiting for the GH60 project to stop cycling so we can loop a PCB designer into the team and go to production.

Plates, cases, and firmware are designed and/or available. Retro DSA keycaps fit 100% of the keyboard.  We just need a PCB to launch the GB.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Will the GH60++ fit with any keycap (I am pretty sure that it would, but since you insist on DSA maybe it is specifically oriented for this specific profile). Also, will it be ready for full backlit or not?

These features are not like 100% essentials, but since the design is oriented for less key placement options (I like the way they are placed anyway) and the backlit was not an option on the GH60, it would be nice to have it on this project.   

This isn't a GH75 thread, but since you asked...

1) Any MX keycaps will fit.  In fact, I designed the plate so you could buy a stock set and fit everything except a few 1x keycaps.


GH75 prototype v.2

2) I'm not much into lit keyboards myself, but that becomes a question for the PCB design more than anything else.  If nothing else, I think it should have the lighting capabilities of the Poker.  (Some LEDs stock, plus all positions drilled for LED installation.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[JPG]

You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase.  Or is it GH60++?  Something like that.

GH60++ includes the GH65 (GH60 + one column) and GH75 (GH65 + one row).  You can see the GH75 in my sig and in several pictures from the packing party and in various threads.

The GH75 we hope to make with a modular PCB, so the user can remove the function key row to make a GH65.  Regardless, we are only waiting for the GH60 project to stop cycling so we can loop a PCB designer into the team and go to production.

Plates, cases, and firmware are designed and/or available. Retro DSA keycaps fit 100% of the keyboard.  We just need a PCB to launch the GB.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Will the GH60++ fit with any keycap (I am pretty sure that it would, but since you insist on DSA maybe it is specifically oriented for this specific profile). Also, will it be ready for full backlit or not?

These features are not like 100% essentials, but since the design is oriented for less key placement options (I like the way they are placed anyway) and the backlit was not an option on the GH60, it would be nice to have it on this project.   

This isn't a GH75 thread, but since you asked...

1) Any MX keycaps will fit.  In fact, I designed the plate so you could buy a stock set and fit everything except a few 1x keycaps.

Show Image

GH75 prototype v.2

2) I'm not much into lit keyboards myself, but that becomes a question for the PCB design more than anything else.  If nothing else, I think it should have the lighting capabilities of the Poker.  (Some LEDs stock, plus all positions drilled for LED installation.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Show Image

Very nice, thx for the answer!

[rDuck]

So the KS mini is dead?

[SmallFry]

It seems that way, yes. Be sure to check out what Samwisekoi has coming down the pipes as his keyboards look very promising.

[samwisekoi]

It seems that way, yes. Be sure to check out what Samwisekoi has coming down the pipes as his keyboards look very promising.

In fact I took the weekend off from Retro DSA to work on a PCB for the GH75.  I am including the cut-line for buildng it with or without the top function-key row.  (GH75 with or GH65 without.)  Arrow keys, control block, and full programmability in both configurations.

I already did a plate and a caseless plate.  It will fit into a Race/Pure case as well, and Matt3o wrote firmware that I am using on the hard-wired prototype.

I am going to try and make this an attractive PCB, so the result would be worthy of a KMAC-style build. And then I am considering a small production run.

Anyhow, yes, stay tuned.  I will also post an update in my own thread.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

[sherryton]

Nice layout.  I want to get some extra keys for this set.  Are those blank keys just for fun?  Anything particular about those blank keys?

Would there be a possibility for 1.5x Control and Alt?

[samwisekoi]

Nice layout.  I want to get some extra keys for this set.  Are those blank keys just for fun?  Anything particular about those blank keys?

Would there be a possibility for 1.5x Control and Alt?

I don't think I can fit 1.50 mods on the right.  They are currently ALT, FN, CTRL on my boards.  Up on top I have PrtScr, INS, DEL in the blank positions.

Se the new GH75 thread here:  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43450.msg888865#msg888865

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[gimpster]

Excellent! Thanks for the link to the GH75 info, it's my ideal keyboard. I love my MX Mini but since I'm on a Mac all the time the lack of a Ctrl, Alt, Super layout on the bottom row really cramps my style.