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Title: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: john08099 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 20:39:48
GB IS LIVE  :thumb: due to holiday break, some vendors may open GB a few days later.
US Vendor: Bolsakeyboard (https://bolsakeyboardsupply.com/products/velocifire-x-kk-light-wave-v2-linear-switch)

Canada Vendor: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/products/velocifire-x-kk-light-wave-switch-v2)

Rest of the world: Velocifire (https://www.velocifiretech.com/product/kk-light-wave-switch-v2/)

Hi Everyone,
We just update the final samples. The update is for a more translucent housing and space for lights.
GB TIME: 5PM PST, Dec. 29th -- 5PM PST, Jan. 13t, 2021
Sound Test:Gymleadernathan will live stream the switches' samples and have a typing test on his Twitch Channel (https://www.twitch.tv/gymleadernathann) at 7 PM, 28th, PST.

Updated: December 24,2020
EU Vendor: https://mykeyboard.eu/

Edit:December 15,2020
Live Streaming and Giveaway
Alexotos will showcase the switches this coming Wednesday on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/alexotos), and giveaway 100 switches, pls feel free to head over and ask if you have any questions. Thanks.
GB time: Late December
Vendor updated:
US Vendor: 📷https://bolsakeyboardsupply.com/
Canada Vendor: 📷https://www.deskhero.ca/

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Linear Switch | 60 grams of Gold Plated Spring | PCB mounted
4.0MM TRAVEL | 2.00±0.5MM ACTUATION | 35GF PEAK FORCE
| 45±10GF ACTUATION | 65GF BOTTOM OUT
Translucent Housing: PC
Stem: POM
GB Price: US$0.55 Per switch
Mold: Custom mold, custom and improved from commonly seen switch.
Different from the normal switch molds,  the custom molds applies slow-speed wire cutting technology, its production time is twice longer than normal ones. Therefore, the molds are more precise, and the positioning between each component is more accurate and compact. It can effectively eliminate the wobble between the upper and lower housings, and also make sliding rails' performance more stable. In order to increase the smoothness, the molds also apply full mirror polishing process technology, so the surface of the housing is smoother. Such treatments can significantly reduce the scratch between the stem and the inside of the housing. All in all, KK light wave V2 achieves stabler and smoother hand feel and gives more typing pleasure :) Hope you like it
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: of_sam on Tue, 08 December 2020, 20:40:47
Damn it John.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: yoot on Tue, 08 December 2020, 20:41:28
John so lit
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: ChromePcok on Tue, 08 December 2020, 20:50:04
Same housing material? V1 housings sound so good
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: ShadowProgr on Tue, 08 December 2020, 21:01:00
Now I just need to know who makes them
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: ThereminGoat on Tue, 08 December 2020, 21:06:31
Now I just need to know who makes them

Tecsee.
Edit: V1s were made by Tecsee. These clearly appear to be different molds, but I want a hardline answer as to what is different other than just different mold stamps and am going to be under the assumption they are of the same factory until we can be told/prove otherwise.

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Linear Switch | 60 grams of Gold Plated Spring | PCB mounted
4.0MM TRAVEL | 2.00±0.5MM ACTUATION | 35GF PEAK FORCE
| 45±10GF ACTUATION | 65GF BOTTOM OUT
Translucent Housing: PC
Stem: POM
GB Price: US$0.5+- Per switch
Mold: Custom mold, custom and improved from commonly seen switch.
Different from the normal switch molds,  the custom molds applies slow-speed wire cutting technology, its production time is twice longer than normal ones. Therefore, the molds are more precise, and the positioning between each component is more accurate and compact. It can effectively eliminate the wobble between the upper and lower housings, and also make sliding rails' performance more stable. In order to increase the smoothness, the molds also apply full mirror polishing process technology, so the surface of the housing is smoother. Such treatments can significantly reduce the scratch between the stem and the inside of the housing. All in all, KK light wave V2 achieves stabler and smoother hand feel and gives more typing pleasure :) Hope you like it
1. What about new molds requires slow speed wire cutting? This does not conform with my understanding of how injection molded plastic parts, since those were the only things that you said improved, are made.
2. How are these molds specifically different than those from V1?
3. The biggest issues with KK Lightwave V1 switches were not necessarily in the housings themselves, but rather the metallic crunching sounds that were either springs crunching or leaf issues of some sort. Do you propose the V2s fix this issue since that is not stated there?
4. Will any sort of reviewers, content creators, or anybody with some sort of established opinion platform that isn't a vendor be receiving these to review prior to them going on sale?

Edit II: I've been told I "type mad." I'm genuinely curious and appreciate if you could let us know. I'm not out to try and get anyone, I just find Lightwave V1s strange switches and am hoping we can know more about V2s.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: kk73715 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 21:07:21
Now I just need to know who makes them
Just hope it's not another JWK... Someone please confirm

Edit: read Theremingoat's post above
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 21:13:40
Same housing material? V1 housings sound so good
Yes, same housing material
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 21:38:21
Now I just need to know who makes them

Tecsee.
Edit: V1s were made by Tecsee. These clearly appear to be different molds, but I want a hardline answer as to what is different other than just different mold stamps and am going to be under the assumption they are of the same factory until we can be told/prove otherwise

1. What about new molds requires slow speed wire cutting? This does not conform with my understanding of how injection molded plastic parts, since those were the only things that you said improved, are made.
2. How are these molds specifically different than those from V1?
3. The biggest issues with KK Lightwave V1 switches were not necessarily in the housings themselves, but rather the metallic crunching sounds that were either springs crunching or leaf issues of some sort. Do you propose the V2s fix this issue since that is not stated there?
4. Will any sort of reviewers, content creators, or anybody with some sort of established opinion platform that isn't a vendor be receiving these to review prior to them going on sale?

Edit II: I've been told I "type mad." I'm genuinely curious and appreciate if you could let us know. I'm not out to try and get anyone, I just find Lightwave V1s strange switches and am hoping we can know more about V2s.
(1) The V2 mold uses a lot of slow-moving wire processing, not plastic parts.
(2) The V2 mold has higher precision, which improves the smoothness of the stem and the stem shaking too much.
(3) The V1 is the problem of plastic parts, the spring is lengthened, in order to ensure the feel, but there will be a sound when pressed
(4)Sure, we have sent out some samples for review. GB will start after receive their feedback. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: ThereminGoat on Tue, 08 December 2020, 21:55:39
Now I just need to know who makes them

Tecsee.
Edit: V1s were made by Tecsee. These clearly appear to be different molds, but I want a hardline answer as to what is different other than just different mold stamps and am going to be under the assumption they are of the same factory until we can be told/prove otherwise

1. What about new molds requires slow speed wire cutting? This does not conform with my understanding of how injection molded plastic parts, since those were the only things that you said improved, are made.
2. How are these molds specifically different than those from V1?
3. The biggest issues with KK Lightwave V1 switches were not necessarily in the housings themselves, but rather the metallic crunching sounds that were either springs crunching or leaf issues of some sort. Do you propose the V2s fix this issue since that is not stated there?
4. Will any sort of reviewers, content creators, or anybody with some sort of established opinion platform that isn't a vendor be receiving these to review prior to them going on sale?

Edit II: I've been told I "type mad." I'm genuinely curious and appreciate if you could let us know. I'm not out to try and get anyone, I just find Lightwave V1s strange switches and am hoping we can know more about V2s.
(1) The V2 mold uses a lot of slow-moving wire processing, not plastic parts.
(2) The V2 mold has higher precision
(3) The V1 is the problem of plastic parts
(4)Sure, we have sent out some samples for review. GB will start after receive their feedback. Thanks.


Re 1: Are these not being produced by plastic injection molding? This would be relatively revolutionary as far as I am aware in the way of mechanical switch production. If MX style switches were being produced via a non-injection molded process at comparable costs, I would imagine people would be extremely interested in its potential to be cost effective with respect to waste. As well, if that is the case, I'd be even further surprised that larger production houses then the one you are assumedly using had not figured out yet. This would insinuate an otherwise unrecognizable mold lettering scheme coming from a small, if not completely unknown production house, would have tuned a completely new process to such standards as to be comparable with big name producers.

Re 2: Higher precision with regards to what? Have the top housing holes been narrowed? Have the stems been increased in width to accommodate wobble? Like even just as much as saying broad yet still specific changes would be insightful.

Re 3: I have no understanding how a metallic sound is the fault of the plastic housings.

Re 4: Dope, I look forward to those responses.

Thank you for your responses!
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 22:17:23
I don't think John did a good job of communicating
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 08 December 2020, 23:03:02
I'm with ThereminGoat here.  If there isn't some sort of communication barrier, it sounds like these are quite the revolutionary product and an engineering marvel to some degree.  Looking forward to reviews.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: Anthixious on Tue, 08 December 2020, 23:09:55
Ugh, I still haven't used my v1 switches, hoping these are a hit out of the park, because now I feel like unloading my v1's for these.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: Jefff on Tue, 08 December 2020, 23:39:14
Hi, are the current Lightwaves on the velocifire store not v2? If not, when will the groupbuy be?
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 23:57:41
I don't think John did a good job of communicating
sorry :(
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Wed, 09 December 2020, 00:08:40
Now I just need to know who makes them

Tecsee.
Edit: V1s were made by Tecsee. These clearly appear to be different molds, but I want a hardline answer as to what is different other than just different mold stamps and am going to be under the assumption they are of the same factory until we can be told/prove otherwise

1. What about new molds requires slow speed wire cutting? This does not conform with my understanding of how injection molded plastic parts, since those were the only things that you said improved, are made.
2. How are these molds specifically different than those from V1?
3. The biggest issues with KK Lightwave V1 switches were not necessarily in the housings themselves, but rather the metallic crunching sounds that were either springs crunching or leaf issues of some sort. Do you propose the V2s fix this issue since that is not stated there?
4. Will any sort of reviewers, content creators, or anybody with some sort of established opinion platform that isn't a vendor be receiving these to review prior to them going on sale?

Edit II: I've been told I "type mad." I'm genuinely curious and appreciate if you could let us know. I'm not out to try and get anyone, I just find Lightwave V1s strange switches and am hoping we can know more about V2s.
(1) The V2 mold uses a lot of slow-moving wire processing, not plastic parts.
(2) The V2 mold has higher precision
(3) The V1 is the problem of plastic parts
(4)Sure, we have sent out some samples for review. GB will start after receive their feedback. Thanks.


Re 1: Are these not being produced by plastic injection molding? This would be relatively revolutionary as far as I am aware in the way of mechanical switch production. If MX style switches were being produced via a non-injection molded process at comparable costs, I would imagine people would be extremely interested in its potential to be cost effective with respect to waste. As well, if that is the case, I'd be even further surprised that larger production houses then the one you are assumedly using had not figured out yet. This would insinuate an otherwise unrecognizable mold lettering scheme coming from a small, if not completely unknown production house, would have tuned a completely new process to such standards as to be comparable with big name producers.

Re 2: Higher precision with regards to what? Have the top housing holes been narrowed? Have the stems been increased in width to accommodate wobble? Like even just as much as saying broad yet still specific changes would be insightful.

Re 3: I have no understanding how a metallic sound is the fault of the plastic housings.

Re 4: Dope, I look forward to those responses.

Thank you for your responses!

Sorry, I didn't explain the questions clearly
Re: 1 V2 is a mold improvement. The plastic parts are still produced by injection molding, just the custom molds apply slow-speed wire cutting technology
Re:2 the V2 molds are more precise, and the positioning between each component is more accurate and compact, which improves the smoothness of the stems and the wobble between the upper and lower housings. Not just including you mentioned
Re:3 the V1 is the problem of plastic parts, because the spring is lengthened, in order to ensure the feel, there will be a sound when pressed
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: ThereminGoat on Wed, 09 December 2020, 07:08:34
Now I just need to know who makes them

Tecsee.
Edit: V1s were made by Tecsee. These clearly appear to be different molds, but I want a hardline answer as to what is different other than just different mold stamps and am going to be under the assumption they are of the same factory until we can be told/prove otherwise

1. What about new molds requires slow speed wire cutting? This does not conform with my understanding of how injection molded plastic parts, since those were the only things that you said improved, are made.
2. How are these molds specifically different than those from V1?
3. The biggest issues with KK Lightwave V1 switches were not necessarily in the housings themselves, but rather the metallic crunching sounds that were either springs crunching or leaf issues of some sort. Do you propose the V2s fix this issue since that is not stated there?
4. Will any sort of reviewers, content creators, or anybody with some sort of established opinion platform that isn't a vendor be receiving these to review prior to them going on sale?

Edit II: I've been told I "type mad." I'm genuinely curious and appreciate if you could let us know. I'm not out to try and get anyone, I just find Lightwave V1s strange switches and am hoping we can know more about V2s.
(1) The V2 mold uses a lot of slow-moving wire processing, not plastic parts.
(2) The V2 mold has higher precision
(3) The V1 is the problem of plastic parts
(4)Sure, we have sent out some samples for review. GB will start after receive their feedback. Thanks.


Re 1: Are these not being produced by plastic injection molding? This would be relatively revolutionary as far as I am aware in the way of mechanical switch production. If MX style switches were being produced via a non-injection molded process at comparable costs, I would imagine people would be extremely interested in its potential to be cost effective with respect to waste. As well, if that is the case, I'd be even further surprised that larger production houses then the one you are assumedly using had not figured out yet. This would insinuate an otherwise unrecognizable mold lettering scheme coming from a small, if not completely unknown production house, would have tuned a completely new process to such standards as to be comparable with big name producers.

Re 2: Higher precision with regards to what? Have the top housing holes been narrowed? Have the stems been increased in width to accommodate wobble? Like even just as much as saying broad yet still specific changes would be insightful.

Re 3: I have no understanding how a metallic sound is the fault of the plastic housings.

Re 4: Dope, I look forward to those responses.

Thank you for your responses!

Sorry, I didn't explain the questions clearly
Re: 1 V2 is a mold improvement. The plastic parts are still produced by injection molding, just the custom molds apply slow-speed wire cutting technology
Re:2 the V2 molds are more precise, and the positioning between each component is more accurate and compact, which improves the smoothness of the stems and the wobble between the upper and lower housings. Not just including you mentioned
Re:3 the V1 is the problem of plastic parts, because the spring is lengthened, in order to ensure the feel, there will be a sound when pressed

I mean, while I again appreciate the responses, you seemingly just said the same thing you did the first time but with more words.

Re 1: I still don't understand what this wire technology you clam is referring to. It doesn't appear to add any sort of value to your product nor degrade the production process because otherwise we'd see the results of either of these in your price. The only thing that I can think of is this simply being marketing fluff.

Re 2: You've just defined what we all here understood as more precise. We want to know which dimensions/gaps are more precise

Re 3: Like the wire technology thing, this still makes absolutely no sense to me. On top of that, there are other long spring switches in existence which don't have any sort of sound or metallic crunch, so this clearly isn't a 'necessary' feature of their usage.

Since those questions didn't really go anywhere, I guess I could ask an easier question:

"Linear Switch | 60 grams of Gold Plated Spring | PCB mounted
4.0MM TRAVEL | 2.00±0.5MM ACTUATION | 35GF PEAK FORCE
| 45±10GF ACTUATION | 65GF BOTTOM OUT"

How can you have a 60g spring with a 65g bottom out force, a 45g actuation, and a 35g peak force? Not all of those numbers can be true unless you've defined actuation, bottom out, or peak force in some strange way.

If the 60g spring refers to bottom out, then the bottom out force of 65g is wrong and the 35g peak force is wrong.
If the 60g spring refers to actuation, then the 45g actuation and the 35g peak force is wrong.
If the 65g bottom out is correct, then the 60g spring could be wrong, and the 35g peak force is wrong.
If the 45g actuation force is correct, then the 35g peak force is wrong, and the 60 spring could be wrong.
If the 35g peak force is correct, then none of the other values are correct.

If the 60g spring refers to the actual physical weight of the spring (which would be the strangest answer) then the actuation, peak force, and bottoming out still have the same issue of not being all simultaneously possible either.

Could you please explain which of these numbers is actually correct since it doesn't appear they all can be?
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:17:27
I believe the slow wire tech he’s referring to is the way they make the injection mold.  Slow wire processing is a more accurate way to cut the molds to a high degree of precision. 
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: ThereminGoat on Wed, 09 December 2020, 09:33:38
I believe the slow wire tech he’s referring to is the way they make the injection mold.  Slow wire processing is a more accurate way to cut the molds to a high degree of precision.

I don't get how that necessarily translates into a longer production time for switches, unless he means that its longer production time for the molds. If it is a longer production time for the molds, then I guess the question is why should we care? There are already samples so its assumed those come from the molds that will be used for production.

I think its neat that we might have some manufacturing process then that is making the molds more precise, but then we also have yet to hear a single tangible difference to the switches other than "better tolerances".
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Wed, 09 December 2020, 10:06:38
I liked the V1s. They actually make for pretty decent tactile housings as well. Glad to see PCB mount pins on the V2. That's honestly the only "innovation" I needed to see from the V1. Looking forward to these.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:08:30
I don't think John did a good job of communicating
sorry :(

TREELEAF LOOK WHAT YOU DID

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I know I'm famous for 1) being a toxic ****poster and 2) not giving a single **** about switches, but the way you're going about this is really irking me.

I had a nice conversation with one of my switch manufacturer friends (not John) about this the other day:

Slow wire processing allows for a more smooth and consistent surface finish on an injection mold. As far as i know it's a VERY new piece of technology (only reached commercial level in the last year or 2) and this is likely the first switch to feature it. It also increases the life and overall quality of the mold, meaning that "batch inconsistency" (the bane of all injection molded products) should be minimized. More people want to use it, but it's very inconvenient, and I'm excited to see it here.

Slow wire is not some pseudoscience/secret thing. Just takes an age, which would likely be the cause of any delays, since we don't know if all the molds are made yet. Defining which dimensions are more precise would be a nightmare, since it's most likely all of them. Slow wire tech in general allows for better tolerances.

Instead of harassing John about it, you could have googled it, as there are many articles explaining the benefits of slow wire in clear terms.

If the mold and spring quality are up as John says they are, then it's most likely that any other switch noises should be reduced. Switch manufacturers aren't 100% sure where all the noises switches make come from, so just overall upping quality seems like a good strategy. If you're dissatisfied with the springs just change them, most people are gonna be taking them out when they lube anyway.

60g is likely the average weight distribution (which is how some springs are sold) and then the specific numbers are the force curve? not sure about this one

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And an aside:  The VAST majority of the work and testing I've done with Chinese factories hasn't been "please give me your tech specs," it's been more, "i'll send you a design and you tell me if you can make it." Getting specific technical information is extremely hard with any Chinese manufacturer, because it's very hard information to communicate if you don't have the specific language to do so. It's nobody's fault, that's just the nature of working across language barriers.

Knowing a lot about something doesn't necessarily mean you know a lot about how it's made. One of the reasons I only use MX blacks (of various vintage/source) and Gateron yellows is because I know I like them. I haven't the first clue about what the plastic makeup is, what the assembly process is, or any of the things we expect from modern custom switches. I just like em. I like tealios too, but they're expensive and I have a huge stash of MX blacks/Gat yellows, so I have no reason to switch.

I also want to stress heavily that manufacturers are the backbone of this community. Without manufacturers to make the things we want, we have nothing. Be nice to manufacturers, it's largely thankless work.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: joshuarubin on Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:28:42
I know I'm famous for 1) being a toxic ****poster and 2 )not giving a single **** about switches, but the way you're going about this is really irking me.

Careful there Puddsy, your reputation might be in jeopardy if you keep posting so reasonably.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: donny_pete on Wed, 09 December 2020, 13:05:20
I told myself I wasn't going to buy anymore keeb stuff. Thanks John for making me doubt myself
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Wed, 09 December 2020, 15:29:05
Oh, my goodness.
Thank you for clearing this up my friend P.

Sorry John I didn't intend to hurt your feelings  :(

Now this is actually entrancing. I always like hearing about new technologies and this is an endeavor for sure. You can count me interested~
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: Xonuss on Wed, 09 December 2020, 16:42:03
Would there be a chance for EU proxy? Customs and handling fee is killing my budget and I would really like some of these switches.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 09 December 2020, 18:56:34
I'm just here for the Wavez green colorway.
Please let the first batch be in the OP colors. PLEASE.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Wed, 09 December 2020, 19:34:07
Oh, my goodness.
Thank you for clearing this up my friend P.

Sorry John I didn't intend to hurt your feelings  :(

Now this is actually entrancing. I always like hearing about new technologies and this is an endeavor for sure. You can count me interested~
I'm fine. Don't worry. Thanks for everyone's help.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 10 December 2020, 08:12:26
Interested to know how these would feel and sound.  Reading with interest.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: I.Hiyori on Thu, 10 December 2020, 19:38:19
Interested in the switches, and also the “drama” is actually highly informative.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: BeachFan69 on Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:26:21
These look great!
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 11 December 2020, 00:05:47
Interested to know how these would feel and sound.  Reading with interest.

we cooled it out in slack, theremingoat is a good dude
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:01:02
I love happy endings.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: paperassgasket on Fri, 11 December 2020, 08:51:47
I love happy endings.

I really hope this is just the beginning.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: DasGnome on Fri, 11 December 2020, 22:58:34
Finally something not JWK. I feel obligated to purchase just to fund your endeavors.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Sun, 13 December 2020, 20:13:36
Finally something not JWK. I feel obligated to purchase just to fund your endeavors.
:thumb: Appreciate your help
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Mon, 14 December 2020, 16:45:16
yay R2  :)
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 14 December 2020, 16:57:47
I will buy it, if it is cheap.
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Mon, 14 December 2020, 20:51:02
I will buy it, if it is cheap.
It's USD $0.55 per switch :D
Title: Re: [IC]Velocifire X KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: paperassgasket on Mon, 14 December 2020, 21:07:37
I will buy it, if it is cheap.

It is cheap. I will see you in the checkout like treeleaf.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+Live Streaming and Giveaway this Wednesday
Post by: Yuinth on Tue, 15 December 2020, 14:49:48
Interesting switch. Looking forward for the GB. Good to see innovation/different products like this coming up.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+Live Streaming and Giveaway this Wednesday
Post by: john08099 on Sun, 20 December 2020, 19:41:58
Interesting switch. Looking forward for the GB. Good to see innovation/different products like this coming up.
Thanks for your support! :D
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+Live Streaming and Giveaway this Wednesday
Post by: OJtheTiny on Sun, 20 December 2020, 22:58:04
With how downright horrible the first iteration was. I'm passing on this. I hope they turn out good though, would be great to see some good non jwk linears


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Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+Live Streaming and Giveaway this Wednesday
Post by: john08099 on Mon, 21 December 2020, 05:02:19
With how downright horrible the first iteration was. I'm passing on this. I hope they turn out good though, would be great to see some good non jwk linears


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Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+Live Streaming and Giveaway this Wednesday
Post by: Jefff on Tue, 22 December 2020, 21:57:22
With how downright horrible the first iteration was. I'm passing on this. I hope they turn out good though, would be great to see some good non jwk linears


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What made the first iteration horrible? I've heard they make great housings for Halo stems, creating Holy Lightwaves
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 23 December 2020, 10:13:48
Will there be a UK or EU vendor?
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2
Post by: john08099 on Wed, 23 December 2020, 21:14:14
Will there be a UK or EU vendor?
Sure. EU Vendor: https://mykeyboard.eu/
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+- Final Samples and GB Time Updated
Post by: john08099 on Mon, 28 December 2020, 03:44:07
GB time updated  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+Live Streaming and Giveaway this Wednesday
Post by: john08099 on Tue, 29 December 2020, 19:18:48
Interesting switch. Looking forward for the GB. Good to see innovation/different products like this coming up.
GB is live now :D
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 30 December 2020, 04:23:27
Ordered a ton load.  Looking forward to trying these.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: cptblack on Sat, 02 January 2021, 22:44:53
Hmm...might give these a go!
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:26:41
My switches just showed up in the mail and they are just built different let me tell you...

You just cannot get it to bottom out easily without a keycap on there as the top of the switch stops you before the feet do. The pole and the sliders of the stem will never bottom out.
(https://i.imgur.com/Lg4cbVB.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/LvqCeu6.png)

It appears that the legs are designed to bottom out, and have these relief cuts to allow them to flex providing a softer bottom out feel.
(https://i.imgur.com/00FBRJs.png)

These springs are LONG, but have a pretty smooth linear feel and aren't as heavy as I was expecting given the amount of pre-load on them.
(https://i.imgur.com/K0yT9Hu.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/OCCNJI3.png)
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:40:34
What about tolerances?  Can you tell that these are made with a new process?  Do they have low wobble?  Are the top housings tight?
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:45:57
I don't have the old ones so I can't compare but the housings are real tight. Wobble seems fine at the top bit would def be less pronounced north to south if the sliders were longer I believe.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:50:58
The relief cut on the legs is a pretty neat idea.  Might have to get some of these now  :thumb:

Any thoughts on smoothness?
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:53:34
First impression was that they were impossibly smooth but after really getting after it I realized that they're just really slick. There's a very light scratchiness to them but it's not bad. I'm in the process of disassembling 50ish switches to lube and toss in a board for testing
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 15 April 2021, 00:12:07
oh yeah okay so just a light application of 205g0 and oiling the springs makes these switches so much better.
I mean they weren't bad before but now they are fantastic, if not just a bit quieter than I expected.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: catamscott on Fri, 16 April 2021, 22:31:36
yeah, these are definitely a very interesting switch. unfortunately they don't seem to be openable by my switch opener (3d printed switchcracker) or the og mechanicalkeyboards opener (one side of the top housing unlatched, then broke the other side trying to force it), but needle nose tweezers work alright. tesing a loose switch, the bottom out with a keycap is super quiet, and the one sound test i could find sounds quieter than i'd normally like, so maybe this could be a good frankenswitch housing candidate since it seems really, really smooth.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 17 April 2021, 05:54:36
Looking forward to getting these now.  Thanks for the review.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: paperassgasket on Sat, 17 April 2021, 06:49:19
One thing to note: I bag lubed the stems in 105gpl with the second batch, in addition to 205g0 on the housing. Doing so really revealed their scratchiness. More so than stock. Not that they're particularly scratchy, but 100% of the scratchiness was revealed by oiling the stems. I won't be doing this in the future. They're fine with just a light application of grease on the housings.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: MS85 on Sat, 17 April 2021, 14:25:19
yeah, these are definitely a very interesting switch. unfortunately they don't seem to be openable by my switch opener (3d printed switchcracker) or the og mechanicalkeyboards opener (one side of the top housing unlatched, then broke the other side trying to force it), but needle nose tweezers work alright. tesing a loose switch, the bottom out with a keycap is super quiet, and the one sound test i could find sounds quieter than i'd normally like, so maybe this could be a good frankenswitch housing candidate since it seems really, really smooth.

I can’t remember which was but I remember seeing a build stream of the protos and it did mention the quietness as well. Almost half way between a traditional and a silent linear. Quite an interesting solution.
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: Pylon on Sat, 08 May 2021, 21:24:52
So yeah these actuate much earlier than advertised.

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bluepylons/Open-Switch-Curve-Meter/main/Force%20curves/Okay-I'm-Just-Going-to-Calibrate-Every-Day-Now/Velocifire-KK-Lightwave-V2.png)

Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: paperassgasket on Sat, 08 May 2021, 21:29:59
So yeah these actuate much earlier than advertised.

Show Image
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bluepylons/Open-Switch-Curve-Meter/main/Force%20curves/Okay-I'm-Just-Going-to-Calibrate-Every-Day-Now/Velocifire-KK-Lightwave-V2.png)


Well **** me. Good to know I'm not losing my mind.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTu_R-ibhw4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: [IC]KK Light Wave Switch V2+GB is Live
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 08 May 2021, 23:04:53
oh god. no one wants or needs this early of an actuation.  we need to let them know for v3  :p