How different is it to Forge? Legends seem a little more orange?
How different is it to Forge? Legends seem a little more orange?
Forge is using CR/P3 as well. Only difference in this set is icon mods and the blue side-printing.
This set has the potential to get a better pricing than Forge; while, providing a subset that covers some of the North EU layouts that are ignored by most GMK GBs. Not having the accent keys may give this a more competitive pricing than Forge; in the same context, the icon mods reduce the key count even more, again, reducing the price. I understand that Viking refers to the inclusion of the Descendant kit that may cover some of the north EU layouts that are rarely a focus for GBs.
I encourage the OP to consider the Yuri's Icon modifiers, Mr. T0mb3ry has confirmed that those icons are available for any GMK upcoming set and it includes full coverage for all the modifiers in a full size keyboard. Being this a CR based set the inclusion of the full T0mb3ry's Icon set may attract people that like icons that may use them to mix and match with other OG and GMK sets.
How different is it to Forge? Legends seem a little more orange?
Forge is using CR/P3 as well. Only difference in this set is icon mods and the blue side-printing.
Oh... Absolutely no point in this set in its current form. Maybe a icon mod set (aka drop the alphas)? Still, not really needed but that's just my opinion.
How different is it to Forge? Legends seem a little more orange?
Forge is using CR/P3 as well. Only difference in this set is icon mods and the blue side-printing.
Oh... Absolutely no point in this set in its current form. Maybe a icon mod set (aka drop the alphas)? Still, not really needed but that's just my opinion.
Nordic support is a very good point for this set to exist, it's absolutely needed for the EU mech heads, but that's just my opinion
EDIT - UPDATE:
Got a response from GMK regarding the markup when adding the originally planned 35 keys to a common GMK base kit (100+ keycaps) and the estimate is 16,50€ at MOQ 150! That should be LESS THAN 20$ even with tax&customs¤cy conversion!
« Last Edit: Tue, 15 November 2016, 00:59:38 by wodan »
How different is it to Forge? Legends seem a little more orange?
Forge is using CR/P3 as well. Only difference in this set is icon mods and the blue side-printing.
Oh... Absolutely no point in this set in its current form. Maybe a icon mod set (aka drop the alphas)? Still, not really needed but that's just my opinion.
Nordic support is a very good point for this set to exist, it's absolutely needed for the EU mech heads, but that's just my opinion
That doesn't change the fact that to get a decent MOQ you need more than just people who want nordic support.
I SUSPECT that triple shot would increase the base MOQ to 250 like a custom color since it's non-standard. Probably cost more per key too, especially at lower moq.
The problem is, for example the norde kit of Nautilus is at ~60, and that's with people like me with 0 use for it buying sets. Based on what I understand, Forge will be coming before this, which means a great many people with the potential for interest in the base kit will likely already have purchased Forge, perhaps even some of the people who might consider nordic sets. This will drive down orders and thus keep pricing high (if it tips at all).
Perhaps consider something like flipping the alphas to blue on black. With that and yuri style icon mods, you would have something different enough that at least some people with forge would still likely bite. Plus if you really wanted to red on black look with the triple shots you could always still buy both sets.
I LIKE the idea, I just think it will have a hard time hitting moq after forge, at least not for like another year or something.
MoreI love the look -- but as others have mentioned -- reaching MOQ might be an issue. GMK Fishbed is quoting a MOQ of 120 though, so perhaps there might be some hope after all: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91190.msg2546531#msg2546531
I'm not sure what the correct way to run this GB will be though. In my case I would need both the Forge set and the Vikings set to be able to fill any of my boards (ISO masterrace!). But the issue is that Vikings would have to be run after Forge to be sure that Forge was successful. But then Vikings might not reach MOQ, and some of the Forge buyers end up with keysets that are of no use to them. I know I can just resell the set, but the high shipping costs and import taxes in Norway mean that I will probably only get around 50-60% of my money back.
Any ideas? Perhaps Vikings could be a child set of Forge, so orders can be combined (and cancelled if a child set doesn't reach MOQ)..?
MoreI love the look -- but as others have mentioned -- reaching MOQ might be an issue. GMK Fishbed is quoting a MOQ of 120 though, so perhaps there might be some hope after all: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91190.msg2546531#msg2546531
I'm not sure what the correct way to run this GB will be though. In my case I would need both the Forge set and the Vikings set to be able to fill any of my boards (ISO masterrace!). But the issue is that Vikings would have to be run after Forge to be sure that Forge was successful. But then Vikings might not reach MOQ, and some of the Forge buyers end up with keysets that are of no use to them. I know I can just resell the set, but the high shipping costs and import taxes in Norway mean that I will probably only get around 50-60% of my money back.
Any ideas? Perhaps Vikings could be a child set of Forge, so orders can be combined (and cancelled if a child set doesn't reach MOQ)..?
You do realize this hasn't been posted in in 6 months? :confused:
When I will be able to progress this set, I will come back.
Many people tell that this set is similar with Forge.
So I just wait some timing for this set.
https://originative.co/products/demonic (https://originative.co/products/demonic)
i like the idea but it's definitely not the time for it
https://originative.co/products/demonic (https://originative.co/products/demonic)
i like the idea but it's definitely not the time for it
Your posts are most of the time constructive; but this time, it appears you went a bit far posting a link to a competitive offering. I think posting it is near to violating the following rule for GBs that also applies to ICs.
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
https://originative.co/products/demonic (https://originative.co/products/demonic)
i like the idea but it's definitely not the time for it
Your posts are most of the time constructive; but this time, it appears you went a bit far posting a link to a competitive offering. I think posting it is near to violating the following rule for GBs that also applies to ICs.
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
seems i missed the mark with that one then
figured brais would like to be aware of a similar set
https://originative.co/products/demonic (https://originative.co/products/demonic)
i like the idea but it's definitely not the time for it
Your posts are most of the time constructive; but this time, it appears you went a bit far posting a link to a competitive offering. I think posting it is near to violating the following rule for GBs that also applies to ICs.
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
seems i missed the mark with that one then
figured brais would like to be aware of a similar set
TBH, I feel like the real issue isn't that they are similar, it's that for someone like me who only uses 65% and smaller, it IS Forge, just with no novelties. I already have demonic, so even forge is a tough sell, but at least it has some novelties to gimme SOME incentive.
The problem with this set is for a great many people you are paying more for keys you don't have any want/need of.
I do want more CR sets though, I think this could just use some tweaks to make it more unique. Like if the full set had a second set of dye sub legends like royal alpha, that I would be all over. But as it stands it just doesn't have anything compelling to anyone who doesn't use TKL and larger boards. I don't feel like pointing that out is thread crapping.
Just because I don't wanna buy it in it's current iteration, doesn't mean I'm not interested in what it could be.
https://originative.co/products/demonic (https://originative.co/products/demonic)
i like the idea but it's definitely not the time for it
Your posts are most of the time constructive; but this time, it appears you went a bit far posting a link to a competitive offering. I think posting it is near to violating the following rule for GBs that also applies to ICs.
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
seems i missed the mark with that one then
figured brais would like to be aware of a similar set
TBH, I feel like the real issue isn't that they are similar, it's that for someone like me who only uses 65% and smaller, it IS Forge, just with no novelties. I already have demonic, so even forge is a tough sell, but at least it has some novelties to gimme SOME incentive.
The problem with this set is for a great many people you are paying more for keys you don't have any want/need of.
I do want more CR sets though, I think this could just use some tweaks to make it more unique. Like if the full set had a second set of dye sub legends like royal alpha, that I would be all over. But as it stands it just doesn't have anything compelling to anyone who doesn't use TKL and larger boards. I don't feel like pointing that out is thread crapping.
Just because I don't wanna buy it in it's current iteration, doesn't mean I'm not interested in what it could be.
But, no ABS key set could be dyed.
https://originative.co/products/demonic (https://originative.co/products/demonic)
i like the idea but it's definitely not the time for it
Your posts are most of the time constructive; but this time, it appears you went a bit far posting a link to a competitive offering. I think posting it is near to violating the following rule for GBs that also applies to ICs.
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
seems i missed the mark with that one then
figured brais would like to be aware of a similar set
TBH, I feel like the real issue isn't that they are similar, it's that for someone like me who only uses 65% and smaller, it IS Forge, just with no novelties. I already have demonic, so even forge is a tough sell, but at least it has some novelties to gimme SOME incentive.
The problem with this set is for a great many people you are paying more for keys you don't have any want/need of.
I do want more CR sets though, I think this could just use some tweaks to make it more unique. Like if the full set had a second set of dye sub legends like royal alpha, that I would be all over. But as it stands it just doesn't have anything compelling to anyone who doesn't use TKL and larger boards. I don't feel like pointing that out is thread crapping.
Just because I don't wanna buy it in it's current iteration, doesn't mean I'm not interested in what it could be.
But, no ABS key set could be dyed.
Printed or w/e. TA Royal Alpha or Grisean somehow have double shot and non double shot legends. I don’t know which technique is used to produce it nor do I care.
My point was that it would appeal to me more if all the keys had blue sublegends of some sort.
https://originative.co/products/demonic (https://originative.co/products/demonic)
i like the idea but it's definitely not the time for it
Your posts are most of the time constructive; but this time, it appears you went a bit far posting a link to a competitive offering. I think posting it is near to violating the following rule for GBs that also applies to ICs.
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
seems i missed the mark with that one then
figured brais would like to be aware of a similar set
TBH, I feel like the real issue isn't that they are similar, it's that for someone like me who only uses 65% and smaller, it IS Forge, just with no novelties. I already have demonic, so even forge is a tough sell, but at least it has some novelties to gimme SOME incentive.
The problem with this set is for a great many people you are paying more for keys you don't have any want/need of.
I do want more CR sets though, I think this could just use some tweaks to make it more unique. Like if the full set had a second set of dye sub legends like royal alpha, that I would be all over. But as it stands it just doesn't have anything compelling to anyone who doesn't use TKL and larger boards. I don't feel like pointing that out is thread crapping.
Just because I don't wanna buy it in it's current iteration, doesn't mean I'm not interested in what it could be.
But, no ABS key set could be dyed.
Printed or w/e. TA Royal Alpha or Grisean somehow have double shot and non double shot legends. I don’t know which technique is used to produce it nor do I care.
My point was that it would appeal to me more if all the keys had blue sublegends of some sort.
GMK made sets with such secondary legends are pad printed; while they are very good, they tend to fade with use, unless you want them for display only. That is why most KB aficionados do care about the type of legends.
So only the side legends are pad printed? The legends on top are all doubleshot?