--snip--
i type at about 100-110 wpm on a normal qwerty board, and at that point i actually type faster than i can think of what to write (i tend to choose my words pretty carefully). i know i could switch to dvorak and possibly go even faster, but higher wpm just isn't a selling point for me anymore :-[ not worth the effort/barrier of entry
^^^ you clearly were not choosing your words carefully when you wrote that piece of crap.
It's probably not you though.. your keyboard's holding you back... Ergodox time...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/70bff581.gif)
Not taking into account the cost of assembly (or your time if you assemble it yourself), every MassDrop run has gone down to $199 for the base kit, +$37 for a set of PBT DSA keycaps. Usually they do a group buy for PBT DCS keycaps as well, and those can go for anywhere from ~$40-$50. So anywhere from $200 - $300.
No idea how much it would be to source your own parts.
Not taking into account the cost of assembly (or your time if you assemble it yourself), every MassDrop run has gone down to $199 for the base kit, +$37 for a set of PBT DSA keycaps. Usually they do a group buy for PBT DCS keycaps as well, and those can go for anywhere from ~$40-$50. So anywhere from $200 - $300.
No idea how much it would be to source your own parts.
What makes these keyboards worth $300? I mean, are they more comfortable, longer-lasting, amazing, etc...?
When are you guys going to step your game up and go Colemak?
When are you guys going to step your game up and go Colemak?
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
he's tp v2!
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
if you need 2 Ergodoxes, $1000What if you got combined shipping?
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...That couldn't be further from the truth..
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...That couldn't be further from the truth..
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
$270? My wife and I average $65 a week on groceries. So, basically following your advice, I'd just have to not eat for a month to afford it.
$270 may be paltry to you, but, for a good chunk of people, ESPECIALLY students, it is not.
Groceries, however are not necessary for ones survival. Ergodox in the other hand is.
*plays Amazing Grace in the background*
Groceries, however are not necessary for ones survival. Ergodox in the other hand is.
Holla... mmmm hmmm...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/014.gif)
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...That couldn't be further from the truth..
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
$270? My wife and I average $65 a week on groceries. So, basically following your advice, I'd just have to not eat for a month to afford it.
$270 may be paltry to you, but, for a good chunk of people, ESPECIALLY students, it is not.
you didn't read the part... cut back to----- top ramen.......
I didn't say don't eat anything "at all"
I ALMOST jumped onto the ErgoTrain. I looked at how people set up their keys and I realized it would be a huge pain for me to use it since I use the function keys and arrow quite often. If I use my keyboard for mainly typing letters then I would have definitely gotten one.
maybe next time...........
Groceries, however are not necessary for ones survival. Ergodox in the other hand is.
Holla... mmmm hmmm...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/014.gif)tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...That couldn't be further from the truth..
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
$270? My wife and I average $65 a week on groceries. So, basically following your advice, I'd just have to not eat for a month to afford it.
$270 may be paltry to you, but, for a good chunk of people, ESPECIALLY students, it is not.
you didn't read the part... cut back to----- top ramen.......
I didn't say don't eat anything "at all"
What if someone is at that ramen level anyway?
Or just not get a ergodox and you can eat all the ramen you want and keep your wife!
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.
Note that I'm a student.
Indian spammers
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.
Note that I'm a student.
What about assembly and shipping?
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.
Note that I'm a student.
What about assembly and shipping?
If you do all through hole, it will probably cost about ~$30 in supplies.
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.
Note that I'm a student.
What about assembly and shipping?
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.
Note that I'm a student.
What about assembly and shipping?
If you do all through hole, it will probably cost about ~$30 in supplies.
So, no soldering required???
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.
Note that I'm a student.
What about assembly and shipping?
If you do all through hole, it will probably cost about ~$30 in supplies.
So, no soldering required???
Soldering is really easy.
tp4tissue (in all sincerity)...
When a mechanical keyboard user recommends trying a mechanical keyboard (to a rubber dome user), the rubber dome user can follow the advice with an investment of about $100. ErgoDox is a different story. For example, I am not one who shies away from spending money on new keyboard, pointing device, or other computer related "adventures". However, spending $500-$600 on an ErgoDox experiment is a bit more than I am willing to spend on any experiment (kit; assembly; keycaps; shipping; misc.). Also, there are further monetary and non-monetary problems to consider, especially if I did get one and ended up worshiping it (as you seem to).
All I'm saying is that ErgoDox is not for everyone, and people deserve to know this.
That couldn't be further from the truth..
First off.. an Edx is only $270... you spend more than that on groceries...
Even young student kids can cut back to top ramen for a few weeks and acquire such paltry savings.
Second, it IS for everyone... the standard staggered qwerty keyboard fits NO ONE.... the ergodox, fits everyone with "adult sized hands"....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_102_.gif)
Perhaps if you live in the States you can get away with $270, but if you live in Europe or perhaps in Israel (like I do), the postage and VAT pushes it up to an easy $500. And, if you fall in love with it (like you think all will), what if you have more than 1 workstation to outfit (or need to travel with your keyboard)? Or what if you have a spouse with whom you must share your keyboard, and perhaps does have small hands? And, what if you are a teenager or in university student... Even $270 is a large chunk of cash to gather for an experiment.
Again, I am not doubting your raves - I am doubting that ErgoDox is for everyone, and that you may be misguiding some people in some of the threads that you have been barraging with ErgoDox praise.
I'm in Central Europe. I paid only about $275 for the whole kit including keycaps, and then roughly $50 VAT. That isn't that much for people who type for living (or will do so for the rest of their lives)—probably except Indian spammers (you know, those who fill captchas and stuff) and Nigerian scammers.
Note that I'm a student.
What about assembly and shipping?
If you do all through hole, it will probably cost about ~$30 in supplies.
So, no soldering required???
Soldering is really easy.
It's exactly like hot glue, except HotterShow Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/5e565bcb.gif)
I am in India and I assembled mine for less than $200 including all supplies for soldering, except keycaps.
I paid
$199 for the kit;
$37 (or so) for keycaps;
$20 + $13 for shipping (it might be different nowadays);
1100 CZK handling fee and VAT (computer parts/accessories are customs-free in Czechia; the VAT thing is a mess, they actually asked me to pay only 20 % of $99 at first, which didn't make any sense; the handling fee is optional, you can do all the work by yourself).
I've read the full assembly is like $50 in the latest massdrop.
This was for my ErgoDox, which I built by sourcing parts myself rather than getting the ErgoDox kit from massdrop:
- PCB (from Massdrop): $48
- Case (Acrylic locally cut): $20
- Cover (Acrylic locally cut): $16
- Teensy (Proxy from US): $20
- Switches (Harvested from TVS Gold): $14
- Nuts/Washers/Bolts (Bought locally): $2
- Cables/Sleeving/Connectors/Electrical components (Miniusb connector + TRRS from digikey proxied, cable sleeving from DealExtreme, resistor/diode/led/io extender/usb cable/header pins locally): $10
- Soldering station + 1lb 63/37 solder + 100g 60/40 solder + desoldering iron + flux + cheap multimeter + brass brush + brass wool with stand + misc soldering tips + toothbrushes for cleaning + IPA + Petrol + Jackly toolkit + 50pc Screwdriver toolkit + other small stuff I can't even remember = $25
=================
Total: $155
=================
This includes shipping for stuff I got from abroad as well as taxes and customs. Now, if you include standard keycap sets available online, you could add another $50. I understand, prices vary vastly by country to country, however $500 is just ridiculous.
PS. I am not an Indian spammer filling out captchas and stuff
Noone knows what it will cost "you", they know what it cost them.
You have to figure out how much it will cost you, find out pricing for components in you local area, find cheaper shipping methods, methods to dodge custom, learn soldering and other skills you might need.
My ErgoDox at the cheap price didn't build itself, nor did I know anything about soldering before I built it, I researched, learnt, practiced and was patient. It took 2 complete months, but I was able to build a beautiful piece of computer peripheral at the bare minimum cost possible. And it even worked on the first try itself. Some items took upto 20 days to arrive, because I opted for cheaper shipping, as keeping low cost was the number one priority. I made multiple trips to areas of my city I never knew even existed, spent countless hours online searching for vendors, reading stuff on GeekHack, watching videos and what not. Heck, I even learnt CorelDraw just to edit keyboard drawings, and now I am pretty good at it.
For me, ErgoDox experience, was not just about getting or making a great keybaord, but the amount of knowledge and skills I gained transcend the end product.
Really sorry that some people have chosen to read what they want to read, and do math that equals what they want it to equal. But, I will try once more. Someone fill in the blanks and the give me a total:
KIT (MASSDROP) = $200
ASSEMBLY (MASSDROP) = $50
KEYCAPS (MASSDROP) = $45
SHIPPING/ CUSTOMS FEES (NOT INCLUDING VAT) = $95 ($60 + $35) (MINIMUMS)
VAT = 18% OF TOTAL OF FIRST 3 ITEMS = $295 X .18 = $53
For those who doubt my shipping figure (to Israel), here is my cost for my recent Elite order:
Order Date: 2013/09/01
Order Details:
1 x XF0100KT4 Lettered Keycaps for Topre Realforce 87U/104U (Yellow) @ $95.00 Set
1 x XF0100KT5 Lettered Keycaps for Topre Realforce 87U/104U (Orange) @ $95.00 Set
1 x SE170S Realforce 87U Tenkeyless Silent (Black/Dark Gray) @ $250.00 Each
Subtotal: 440.00
Tax: 0.00 (0.00%)
Shipping: 75.66 (FedEx Intl. Economy)
Total: $515.66 (USD), Payment method: PayPal
I'm not going to feed the troll anymore, if you read my post sincerely and clearly, youd know what you need.
BTW, why have you put shipping as $60 + $35? For the keycaps, Massdrop lists shipping as $8.11 to Israel. I don't know how much it is for the ErgoDox, but IIRC, it was $20.
I'm not going to feed the troll anymore, if you read my post sincerely and clearly, youd know what you need.
BTW, why have you put shipping as $60 + $35? For the keycaps, Massdrop lists shipping as $8.11 to Israel. I don't know how much it is for the ErgoDox, but IIRC, it was $20.
If you were familiar with me, as I think Daerid and tp4tissue are, and you reread this thread. you will realize that I am not trolling, but have been seeking to address a problem that I saw.
I'm not going to feed the troll anymore, if you read my post sincerely and clearly, youd know what you need.
BTW, why have you put shipping as $60 + $35? For the keycaps, Massdrop lists shipping as $8.11 to Israel. I don't know how much it is for the ErgoDox, but IIRC, it was $20.
If you were familiar with me, as I think Daerid and tp4tissue are, and you reread this thread. you will realize that I am not trolling, but have been seeking to address a problem that I saw.
And the wrong shipping prices?
I'm not going to feed the troll anymore, if you read my post sincerely and clearly, youd know what you need.
BTW, why have you put shipping as $60 + $35? For the keycaps, Massdrop lists shipping as $8.11 to Israel. I don't know how much it is for the ErgoDox, but IIRC, it was $20.
If you were familiar with me, as I think Daerid and tp4tissue are, and you reread this thread. you will realize that I am not trolling, but have been seeking to address a problem that I saw.
And the wrong shipping prices?
The shipping is for shipping the finished keyboard from the USA to Israel... I didn't even include the cost of shipping the keycaps.
I'm not going to feed the troll anymore, if you read my post sincerely and clearly, youd know what you need.
BTW, why have you put shipping as $60 + $35? For the keycaps, Massdrop lists shipping as $8.11 to Israel. I don't know how much it is for the ErgoDox, but IIRC, it was $20.
If you were familiar with me, as I think Daerid and tp4tissue are, and you reread this thread. you will realize that I am not trolling, but have been seeking to address a problem that I saw.
And the wrong shipping prices?
The shipping is for shipping the finished keyboard from the USA to Israel... I didn't even include the cost of shipping the keycaps.
I reallt doubt it is $95, maybe someone who was ordered internationally can correct me.
I'm not going to feed the troll anymore, if you read my post sincerely and clearly, youd know what you need.
BTW, why have you put shipping as $60 + $35? For the keycaps, Massdrop lists shipping as $8.11 to Israel. I don't know how much it is for the ErgoDox, but IIRC, it was $20.
If you were familiar with me, as I think Daerid and tp4tissue are, and you reread this thread. you will realize that I am not trolling, but have been seeking to address a problem that I saw.
And the wrong shipping prices?
The shipping is for shipping the finished keyboard from the USA to Israel... I didn't even include the cost of shipping the keycaps.
I reallt doubt it is $95, maybe someone who was ordered internationally can correct me.
I personally think the ErgoDox is a bit too expensive if you add on the price of assembly. I prefer to assemble my own boards, and seriously, soldering isn't hard at all... takes a couple hours to put it together. Throw on a movie in the background and you'll be done before you know it.
I paid
$199 for the kit;
$37 (or so) for keycaps;
$20 + $13 for shipping (it might be different nowadays);
1100 CZK handling fee and VAT (computer parts/accessories are customs-free in Czechia; the VAT thing is a mess, they actually asked me to pay only 20 % of $99 at first, which didn't make any sense; the handling fee is optional, you can do all the work by yourself).
I've read the full assembly is like $50 in the latest massdrop.
I want to know what it will cost "me", not you. I would require what I listed above.
I personally think the ErgoDox is a bit expensive for the average user if you add on the price of assembly. However, one of the best and most rewarding aspects of the ErgoDox is assembling it. Soldering isn't hard at all... takes a couple hours to put it together. Throw on a movie in the background and you'll be done before you know it.
Also, the point about typing for a living is a valid one. I support my family (wife and son) on my income alone, and that income is made from typing all day long (software dev). I owe it to myself and my family to invest in the best possible tools available for my job.
I spent about $270 on each of my ErgoDox kits (I live in the US so got free shipping from MassDrop). It took about 2~2.5 hours each to put together. I would have paid double for them just to gain the experience of putting it together, not to mention the strain relief I've received on my fingers (that I didn't even know I had).
I would like to go back in time to see what you where like when you didn't have a ergodox...I personally think the ErgoDox is a bit expensive for the average user if you add on the price of assembly. However, one of the best and most rewarding aspects of the ErgoDox is assembling it. Soldering isn't hard at all... takes a couple hours to put it together. Throw on a movie in the background and you'll be done before you know it.
Also, the point about typing for a living is a valid one. I support my family (wife and son) on my income alone, and that income is made from typing all day long (software dev). I owe it to myself and my family to invest in the best possible tools available for my job.
I spent about $270 on each of my ErgoDox kits (I live in the US so got free shipping from MassDrop). It took about 2~2.5 hours each to put together. I would have paid double for them just to gain the experience of putting it together, not to mention the strain relief I've received on my fingers (that I didn't even know I had).
This sounds highly rehearsed, seems like you must've used this quote/rationale more than once to convince somebody, somebody female...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion_custom/th_0suit.gif)
Just found this review. Didn't know if anyone had seen it, so I thought it would be worth linking it. The review it helpful, and the 5 pages of comments seem to be something anyone contemplating an ErgoDox purchase should read.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7245/ergodox-review-an-ergonomic-mechanical-keyboard-via-massdrop/3
On the cost
I've tried ordering from EK before. I don't know how much would ordering one ergodox kit from massdrop would cost you, but EK uses a shipping service that is not cheap. Anything I get from them (I'm international) is about 60 usd in shipping while I was only charged 20usd for shipping during the massdrop buy. And from your receipt, it appears that you didn't get charged taxes from buying from EK? Any reason that VAT is added for the ergodox? No offense meant, but the inconsistency in calculating the costs is one thing I don't get.
I'd say you're looking at sub 400 including full assembly and caps. Nearer to 300 if you aren't charged with heavy customs taxes, but it appears that only you can estimate what that cost really is.
On the cost
I've tried ordering from EK before. I don't know how much would ordering one ergodox kit from massdrop would cost you, but EK uses a shipping service that is not cheap. Anything I get from them (I'm international) is about 60 usd in shipping while I was only charged 20usd for shipping during the massdrop buy. And from your receipt, it appears that you didn't get charged taxes from buying from EK? Any reason that VAT is added for the ergodox? No offense meant, but the inconsistency in calculating the costs is one thing I don't get.
I'd say you're looking at sub 400 including full assembly and caps. Nearer to 300 if you aren't charged with heavy customs taxes, but it appears that only you can estimate what that cost really is.
Ditto on the shipping cost, usually shipping from the US is 50 USD for pretty much anything larger than a letter, and while I can't recall the exact shipping cost of my eDox, it was about 20 USD I think. Certainly not 50.
Although I did have to pay about 50 USD equiv in vat and whatnot, so bleh.
Massdrop seems to generally have cheaper shipping than most.
On the cost
I've tried ordering from EK before. I don't know how much would ordering one ergodox kit from massdrop would cost you, but EK uses a shipping service that is not cheap. Anything I get from them (I'm international) is about 60 usd in shipping while I was only charged 20usd for shipping during the massdrop buy. And from your receipt, it appears that you didn't get charged taxes from buying from EK? Any reason that VAT is added for the ergodox? No offense meant, but the inconsistency in calculating the costs is one thing I don't get.
I'd say you're looking at sub 400 including full assembly and caps. Nearer to 300 if you aren't charged with heavy customs taxes, but it appears that only you can estimate what that cost really is.
Ditto on the shipping cost, usually shipping from the US is 50 USD for pretty much anything larger than a letter, and while I can't recall the exact shipping cost of my eDox, it was about 20 USD I think. Certainly not 50.
Although I did have to pay about 50 USD equiv in vat and whatnot, so bleh.
Massdrop seems to generally have cheaper shipping than most.
VAT is added by the Israeli government when it gets to Israel. FedEx pays it, and then charges me for it (plus the Customs fees of approximately $35). Mass drop will not be shipping to me - The assembler will be shipping it to me. Also, shipping to Israel is much more expensive than shipping to Europe. I could have the assembler ship it USPS Priority Mail, and save some money, but it's chancy and would take about a month to get here.
Here is an example of a USPS Priority Mail shipment from mechanicalkeyboards.com
Ducky DK9008 Shine II White LED Backlit Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
1 $143.00 $143.00
Subtotal: $143.00
Shipping: $50.40
Tax: $0.00
Total: $193.40
Larken...
"So on your ducky, I'm assuming you paid 193.40? Or was it closer to 193.4 + VAT? I'm still confused about this, but as of now, your calculations for a 440-500 usd ergodox seem to be based on incorrect assumptions."
Again, VAT doesn't get charged until it reaches Israel. In the Duchy case I paid the Israeli government (at the Post Office) $143 X .18 = $25.74 before they would give me the package. It took about 3-4 weeks to get to me, but at least I didn't have to pay FedEx, EMS, or DSL $35+ to get it out of Customs.
But, I just found this on https://www.massdrop.com/faq
Do you ship internationally?
Yes. We do everything that we can to support shipping to all countries. Keep in mind that you might have to pay more for shipping if you live outside of the United States, and you’ll be responsible for any additional customs fees, taxes, or duties. Also, bear in mind that the vast majority of our products are shipped using the US Postal Service (or USPS, not to be confused with UPS), and the tracking numbers for these shipments only work while the shipment is inside the US. The last location listed on an international order's tracking record is usually Los Angeles, Chicago, or Jamaica, New York, as these are the places through which all USPS packages leave the USA."
Glad I found this because this is not Priority Mail, would have no tracking number here in Israel, and would take at least a month and a half to get to me (if it got to me at all). This is not the way anyone has things shipped here... So I guess Massdrop is a "no-go" for me.
But, I just found this on https://www.massdrop.com/faq
Do you ship internationally?
Yes. We do everything that we can to support shipping to all countries. Keep in mind that you might have to pay more for shipping if you live outside of the United States, and you’ll be responsible for any additional customs fees, taxes, or duties. Also, bear in mind that the vast majority of our products are shipped using the US Postal Service (or USPS, not to be confused with UPS), and the tracking numbers for these shipments only work while the shipment is inside the US. The last location listed on an international order's tracking record is usually Los Angeles, Chicago, or Jamaica, New York, as these are the places through which all USPS packages leave the USA."
Glad I found this because this is not Priority Mail, would have no tracking number here in Israel, and would take at least a month and a half to get to me (if it got to me at all). This is not the way anyone has things shipped here... So I guess Massdrop is a "no-go" for me.
Larken...
"So on your ducky, I'm assuming you paid 193.40? Or was it closer to 193.4 + VAT? I'm still confused about this, but as of now, your calculations for a 440-500 usd ergodox seem to be based on incorrect assumptions."
Again, VAT doesn't get charged until it reaches Israel. In the Duchy case I paid the Israeli government (at the Post Office) $143 X .18 = $25.74 before they would give me the package. It took about 3-4 weeks to get to me, but at least I didn't have to pay FedEx, EMS, or DSL $35+ to get it out of Customs.
But, I just found this on https://www.massdrop.com/faq
Do you ship internationally?
Yes. We do everything that we can to support shipping to all countries. Keep in mind that you might have to pay more for shipping if you live outside of the United States, and you’ll be responsible for any additional customs fees, taxes, or duties. Also, bear in mind that the vast majority of our products are shipped using the US Postal Service (or USPS, not to be confused with UPS), and the tracking numbers for these shipments only work while the shipment is inside the US. The last location listed on an international order's tracking record is usually Los Angeles, Chicago, or Jamaica, New York, as these are the places through which all USPS packages leave the USA."
Glad I found this because this is not Priority Mail, would have no tracking number here in Israel, and would take at least a month and a half to get to me (if it got to me at all). This is not the way anyone has things shipped here... So I guess Massdrop is a "no-go" for me.
Would it help if someone if you had it shipped to the USA and had someone send it to you and mark as a gift?
This sounds highly rehearsed, seems like you must've used this quote/rationale more than once to convince somebody, somebody female...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion_custom/th_0suit.gif)
Sorry if I've missed this, but what program/website is recommended to test your WPM?
When using typingtest.com my highest was 68. Any tips on how to improve? Is there any trainers or something to help me better my score?
Also, is there a thread dedicated to posting your WPM? I'd be interested to see what most people get.
Cheers.
Can you customize the layout on the edox? I'm starting to think I need one, but I hit the spacebar solely with my left thumb and I think that might be a hard habit to grow out of. Could I swap backspace and spacebar?