when will EU proxy have the GB enabled?
will be the same dates as the vendor?
when will EU proxy have the GB enabled?
will be the same dates as the vendor?
The way we have it planned out is you can order from our site, and choose the international option. Once we get final numbers, we will invoice each person based on cost we get from shipping a batch to the EU and dividing it up into the number of orders. Currently we are working with David over at Mechboards.co.uk on that.
when will EU proxy have the GB enabled?
will be the same dates as the vendor?
The way we have it planned out is you can order from our site, and choose the international option. Once we get final numbers, we will invoice each person based on cost we get from shipping a batch to the EU and dividing it up into the number of orders. Currently we are working with David over at Mechboards.co.uk on that.
Sound good to me!
Please put it somewhere, as I've met such solution for the first time ;)
btw have you noticed that all EU proxies are done by a nice guy named David? (Mechboards.co.uk/mykeyboard.eu/candykeys.com)
Rad. so excited about this!
Man, what a cool board! Where/when are the plate files going to be posted btw? :o
Did you mean it won't support kailh hot swap pcbs? Whats stopping it?
Is it possible to change my order? I replied to my confirmation (luminakb@gmail.com) but haven't heard anything back.
Love this board, happy it's finally coming to life!
Also -- just to confirm, the black will have speckles like in the color sample, right? They're not visible in the render, so just checking.
How heavy is the board. kit or built I don't mind. A reference would be nice.
I didn't know about this project until today.
My credit card bill may not like me, but I'm in the buy now!
I'm going with a monochrome white and black build.
wow, i'm really loving that cosmos prima! hope it makes moq
What keyset is on the first board?
May I have a shipping estimate for Australia?
Oh my ****ing god... Was just checking geekhack interest check and group buy since I've not been there for a long time.. And just stumbling upon this crazy case! I'm in with Elderberry Brass :eek: ... Poor bank account :-X
I have a zeal60 pcb which will be perfect for this (I guess it is compatible), now I have to find a keyset!
We are currently working on shipping quotes for Australia, since there seem to be quite a few people interested. We want to see if we can bundle some orders together to be able to reduce the cost per person.
Oh my ****ing god... Was just checking geekhack interest check and group buy since I've not been there for a long time.. And just stumbling upon this crazy case! I'm in with Elderberry Brass :eek: ... Poor bank account :-X
I have a zeal60 pcb which will be perfect for this (I guess it is compatible), now I have to find a keyset!
We are glad you like our work!
Oh my ****ing god... Was just checking geekhack interest check and group buy since I've not been there for a long time.. And just stumbling upon this crazy case! I'm in with Elderberry Brass :eek: ... Poor bank account :-X
I have a zeal60 pcb which will be perfect for this (I guess it is compatible), now I have to find a keyset!
We are glad you like our work!
You're welcome! Hope the shipping to France will not be to expensive :p
in for the brass plate/base with cosmos prima. hoping that everyone else in the ic follows through with their orders as well
I wonder what Elderberry top and Cosmos Prima bottom would look like. Hm.
I have a small question. I bought the « Elderberry Brass », as far as I understand it come with a brass plate too ? Not only brass base? So this brass plate is reserved to every full « brass » kit?
This is incredibly beautiful and elegant. Any plans to make a 65% version?
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
Are you looking to do a 65% similar in layout to the M65-A? I don't think I can budget this GB unfortunately but I would be very very interested in saving up for a 65% version of this. These are absolutely beautiful and I am heartbroken I can't afford one during the GB window.
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
I don't think I can budget this GB unfortunately but I would be very very interested in saving up for a 65% version of this. These are absolutely beautiful and I am heartbroken I can't afford one during the GB window.
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
I don't think I can budget this GB unfortunately but I would be very very interested in saving up for a 65% version of this. These are absolutely beautiful and I am heartbroken I can't afford one during the GB window.
You and me both, haha. Will very much be looking forward to buying the 65% version though! such a cool design.
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
I don't think I can budget this GB unfortunately but I would be very very interested in saving up for a 65% version of this. These are absolutely beautiful and I am heartbroken I can't afford one during the GB window.
You and me both, haha. Will very much be looking forward to buying the 65% version though! such a cool design.
Thank you for your support! We absolutely plan on doing a 65%, but it will be a bit before we launch that, as well have to finish the Lumina GB, as well as another layout before we get to the 65%
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
I don't think I can budget this GB unfortunately but I would be very very interested in saving up for a 65% version of this. These are absolutely beautiful and I am heartbroken I can't afford one during the GB window.
You and me both, haha. Will very much be looking forward to buying the 65% version though! such a cool design.
Thank you for your support! We absolutely plan on doing a 65%, but it will be a bit before we launch that, as well have to finish the Lumina GB, as well as another layout before we get to the 65%
Oooh, do tell :) And I'd be totally in for a 65% as well as long as the arrow-key blocker is an option.
In the meantime, still trying to decide between white and elderberry for this run...
How are the sales in Europe looking, any indication how much extra shipping/import costs will be added yet?
How are the sales in Europe looking, any indication how much extra shipping/import costs will be added yet?
What I know from the GB owner(s), they are going to ship keebs to UK. Then they will ship to buyers.
I have not found any information about shipping costs, it was always free.
How are the sales in Europe looking, any indication how much extra shipping/import costs will be added yet?
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
How does acrylic sound and feel? Never used an acrylic plate before
Hi,I would order the Cameo White one.
But how much the shipping fee to Shanghai?
Can you tell me now? It's important to me
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
Any more info you can provide on the PCB? Can't seem to find any info on the Googles
Thanks for the reply Greenwald! Definitely in on this since I think its the only way I can get close to that glorious thock of my original HHKB while staying away from the feel of cheap/light plastic.
Do you know if the typing sound video in the OP was with the acrylic or brass plate? Love the look of the brass plate but if it re-introduces too much metal reverb then I may want to stay away.
Been dying to try SA but pretty hard to find them available. Thinking of just buying some of the SP Lime set they put on sale recently.
Hopefully this is my last question! After reading the IC thread I could not determine if the HHKB top option uses a 6u or 7u spacebar?
Also, I assume if we choose the HHKB top, we would not be able to make use of the split spacebar?
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
I would recommend Cameo white for sure, as it is the cleanest choice you could go with.
Been dying to try SA but pretty hard to find them available. Thinking of just buying some of the SP Lime set they put on sale recently.
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
I would recommend Cameo white for sure, as it is the cleanest choice you could go with.
I did end up going with cameo white and the black acrylic plate, which is going to look amazing with GMK monochrome ;)
Also got a brass plate just in case, not sure which one I'm gonna like more
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
I would recommend Cameo white for sure, as it is the cleanest choice you could go with.
I did end up going with cameo white and the black acrylic plate, which is going to look amazing with GMK monochrome ;)
Also got a brass plate just in case, not sure which one I'm gonna like more
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
I would recommend Cameo white for sure, as it is the cleanest choice you could go with.
I did end up going with cameo white and the black acrylic plate, which is going to look amazing with GMK monochrome ;)
Also got a brass plate just in case, not sure which one I'm gonna like more
I'm going with a pretty similar theme as you are.
I'll have Cameo White with Black Aluminum Plate and Base.
This is the keyset I'm going to put on it: https://kbdfans.cn/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps (https://kbdfans.cn/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps)
I thought about getting GMK Monochrome for this as well, but I've been spending too much money on keyboard stuff lately and just can't responsibly let myself to pull the trigger on that set right now.
This board is so gorgeous and I love acrylic especially the sound, but I am having SUCH a hard time picking colors lol.
I would recommend Cameo white for sure, as it is the cleanest choice you could go with.
I did end up going with cameo white and the black acrylic plate, which is going to look amazing with GMK monochrome ;)
Also got a brass plate just in case, not sure which one I'm gonna like more
I'm going with a pretty similar theme as you are.
I'll have Cameo White with Black Aluminum Plate and Base.
This is the keyset I'm going to put on it: https://kbdfans.cn/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps (https://kbdfans.cn/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps)
I thought about getting GMK Monochrome for this as well, but I've been spending too much money on keyboard stuff lately and just can't responsibly let myself to pull the trigger on that set right now.
I have that set as well ;) Criminally cheap for a nice full WoB set with some novelties included. Of course I much prefer the feel of my SP SA caps
seems so good and tempting but can't get around using a 60%, hoping to see more use of this material in the future :thumb:
Hello all! Sorry for the lack of communication lately, have been busy, and not much on various platforms.
I am happy to say that materials for the cases have arrived at the manufacturer, and machining has begun. Additionally, the Waldo PCBs are almost done production, and will be coming to me in about 2 or 3 weeks.
Will provide pictures of the PCBs and boards soon as I finish the first batch of colors!
Let me know if you have any questions!
Hello all! Sorry for the lack of communication lately, have been busy, and not much on various platforms.
I am happy to say that materials for the cases have arrived at the manufacturer, and machining has begun. Additionally, the Waldo PCBs are almost done production, and will be coming to me in about 2 or 3 weeks.
Will provide pictures of the PCBs and boards soon as I finish the first batch of colors!
Let me know if you have any questions!
Nice! Do you have any ballpark estimate for ship date? Will it be before 2019?
Hello all! Sorry for the lack of communication lately, have been busy, and not much on various platforms.
I am happy to say that materials for the cases have arrived at the manufacturer, and machining has begun. Additionally, the Waldo PCBs are almost done production, and will be coming to me in about 2 or 3 weeks.
Will provide pictures of the PCBs and boards soon as I finish the first batch of colors!
Let me know if you have any questions!
Nice! Do you have any ballpark estimate for ship date? Will it be before 2019?
All boards should be delivered before the end of 2019. Ideally would be towards the beginning of December, End of November that things are completely wrapped up.
Hello all! Sorry for the lack of communication lately, have been busy, and not much on various platforms.
I am happy to say that materials for the cases have arrived at the manufacturer, and machining has begun. Additionally, the Waldo PCBs are almost done production, and will be coming to me in about 2 or 3 weeks.
Will provide pictures of the PCBs and boards soon as I finish the first batch of colors!
Let me know if you have any questions!
Nice! Do you have any ballpark estimate for ship date? Will it be before 2019?
All boards should be delivered before the end of 2019. Ideally would be towards the beginning of December, End of November that things are completely wrapped up.
You mean towards the end of 2018? If not, that's a much longer wait than I was expecting lol
Awesome to hear that things are going well! I sent an email about a change of address for my order but haven't heard back, is there a better way to contact for that? Can't wait for this board!
I regret the plate and bottom material I ordered. Will there be extras?
I regret the plate and bottom material I ordered. Will there be extras?
IKR why did they have to give us so many options lol. Spent literally like 4 days looking at the gb page trying to decide.
Hi I know the boards are more or less in the machining phase, but I’m wondering if there’s any confirmation if hotswap PCBs work okay? My understanding is there was no confirmation either way and was hoping to clarify. Thanks!
hello. Know im being that annoying person but it's november. any further update? :)
Is there any possibility of a 65% in the future?
This is incredibly beautiful and elegant. Any plans to make a 65% version?Thank you!
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
Is there any possibility of a 65% in the future?
This was answered. I understand it can be hard to find answers on some of these GB threads where a single answer might be buried 30 pages back. But this GB only has two pages.This is incredibly beautiful and elegant. Any plans to make a 65% version?Thank you!
We do plan to do a 65% but that will not be some time til mid of next year, well after this one finishes.
I'm a bit confused ,
The GB is over but on your site it's still possible to order the Acrylic Aluminum kit ? (https://www.luminakb.com/product-page/acrylic-aluminum)
It even states (when checking out) delivery to belgium is free?
Thank you for your reply
I'm a bit confused ,
The GB is over but on your site it's still possible to order the Acrylic Aluminum kit ? (https://www.luminakb.com/product-page/acrylic-aluminum)
It even states (when checking out) delivery to belgium is free?
Thank you for your reply
Well I'm speaking on his behalf, you can still purchase a board.
He has extra material to order/make more.
any manufacturing updates?
any manufacturing updates?
any manufacturing updates?
PCB's will be shipping to me soon, Corian pieces and metal bases are being machined, and the plates will be ordered this week.
Absolutely. If you could send me an email with your order numbers, I can check to see if I need to reimburse you for extra shipping paid. By Default, orders going to the same address will be shipped together.Hey @GreenwaldDesigns, is the luminakb@gmail.com email valid?
So I just ordered a board and am hoping that you can still make my order. It was for the Deep Black Quartz Brass board.
Absolutely. If you could send me an email with your order numbers, I can check to see if I need to reimburse you for extra shipping paid. By Default, orders going to the same address will be shipped together.Hey @GreenwaldDesigns, is the luminakb@gmail.com email valid?
Just now realized that I got no response for an email I sent at September 19 asking for an important shipping address change in my order
Waldo PCBs have arrived, and we are now prepping them to all be programmed and added into the QMK Configurator for ease of use.
https://imgur.com/A1AGaof
Waldo PCBs have arrived, and we are now prepping them to all be programmed and added into the QMK Configurator for ease of use.
https://imgur.com/A1AGaof
God I love the look of this board and all it's nuance, though a follow up 67 key version would be a good fit for me personally.
Well, time to wait patiently for it.God I love the look of this board and all it's nuance, though a follow up 67 key version would be a good fit for me personally.
i heard theres a 65% of the lumina cuming
Waldo PCBs have arrived, and we are now prepping them to all be programmed and added into the QMK Configurator for ease of use.
https://imgur.com/A1AGaof
Production Spec Lumina pieces with all the updated tolerances are being made, and we will have pictures up with some of the current batches and colors.
Production Spec Lumina pieces with all the updated tolerances are being made, and we will have pictures up with some of the current batches and colors.
Any updates on this? ;D
Production Spec Lumina pieces with all the updated tolerances are being made, and we will have pictures up with some of the current batches and colors.
Any updates on this? ;DShow Image(https://puu.sh/CjFgT/ab93b46173.png)
As per usual, Tesletron says one thing on one outlet and doesn't spread the information elsewhere
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408092427690180609/522191200518799382/Lumina_Plate_Template.ai
Production Spec Lumina pieces with all the updated tolerances are being made, and we will have pictures up with some of the current batches and colors.
Any updates on this? ;DShow Image(https://puu.sh/CjFgT/ab93b46173.png)
As per usual, Tesletron says one thing on one outlet and doesn't spread the information elsewhere
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408092427690180609/522191200518799382/Lumina_Plate_Template.ai
This is pretty standard practice for group buys. If you want to keep your finger on the pulse of the GB, then instead of being salty, join all the proper outlets and pay attention. There's almost always info in discord on GBs which isn't shared elsewhere.
Production Spec Lumina pieces with all the updated tolerances are being made, and we will have pictures up with some of the current batches and colors.
Any updates on this? ;DShow Image(https://puu.sh/CjFgT/ab93b46173.png)
As per usual, Tesletron says one thing on one outlet and doesn't spread the information elsewhere
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408092427690180609/522191200518799382/Lumina_Plate_Template.ai
This is pretty standard practice for group buys. If you want to keep your finger on the pulse of the GB, then instead of being salty, join all the proper outlets and pay attention. There's almost always info in discord on GBs which isn't shared elsewhere.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think it only professional to keep communication announcements flowing in all places where the group buy ran. Not everyone accesses all forms of social media, hence the reason why for announcing the group buy in multiple locations in the first place.
I know I certainly don't want to go to 2 or 3 different places just to keep up one one single project.
Apologies for the late update, been slammed the last couple weeks.
Lumina Plate template file can be found and downloaded here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bB3RgncaowyYUo3oORGlF2Pigo2Q3ip5/view?usp=sharing
Should be able to provide some pictures by the end of this week if I get a chance to.
Do we have an estimated shipping date yet?
Do we have an estimated shipping date yet?
Still aiming to start shipping kits starting December and January.
Do we have an estimated shipping date yet?
Still aiming to start shipping kits starting December and January.
Is this still an accurate statement?
Any updates?
Will any extras be available ? anyone wanna sell a spot?Lumina.com
Will any extras be available ? anyone wanna sell a spot?Lumina.com
So are we saying orders are still up? All options.?no, they are just old renders, all bases are 7 degrees
EDIT: I see a 7 degree base , a lower degree base and a flat/feet base... Are there different options for base angle?
You're right, luminakb.com. lolWill any extras be available ? anyone wanna sell a spot?Lumina.com
It’s actually luminakb.com
would anyone like to earn a few bucks for some easy help? I want get a custom plate for lumina, but don't know how to edit the plate file.
Pretty sure 112227 already knows that but they want to pay someone to edit the files for them.would anyone like to earn a few bucks for some easy help? I want get a custom plate for lumina, but don't know how to edit the plate file.
Someone shared the plate on the design on Greenwald Designs discord.
Pretty sure 112227 already knows that but they want to pay someone to edit the files for them.would anyone like to earn a few bucks for some easy help? I want get a custom plate for lumina, but don't know how to edit the plate file.
Someone shared the plate on the design on Greenwald Designs discord.
Still Aiming for Feb. Plates and Acrylic bases are on the way to me, and the other case parts are still being machined.
Also still waiting on my PCB guy to do what needs to be done for VIA support :/
Could we get a new invite to the Discord channel? The one in the IC thread has expired. Thanks!
Could we get a new invite to the Discord channel? The one in the IC thread has expired. Thanks!
https://discord.gg/Nb6Puu
Honestly it's just as dead in there
Why are these discord links expiring. Could someone post a new link?This one shouldn't expire https://discord.gg/EHGuuXD
uh.. im sorry but what is so difficult about getting updates on this??? you plop all this money down and its like pulling teeth to get some updates..........What are you on about ?? Just get into his discord and you get what you want
seems like we get fed different info every single time!!! just tell us whats up with these boards.....
uh.. im sorry but what is so difficult about getting updates on this??? you plop all this money down and its like pulling teeth to get some updates..........What are you on about ?? Just get into his discord and you get what you want
seems like we get fed different info every single time!!! just tell us whats up with these boards.....
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yeah getting updates from discord is pretty common practice for group buys around here. Remember that the group buy runner is literally one person, with a full time job and his own life. This isn't a company with a ton of resources and paid labor. We have gotten updates and pics proving that things are moving, but group buys are not a race, and typically take awhile. You'll be okay, be patient lol.
Here's the latest from the DiscordShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/RgIsOBF.png)
Update note posted to the post on the first page.Thanks!!
Any updates on the new manufacturer?
Hey all! An update on the overall Lumina situation: We have gotten satisfactory samples of both the Aluminum AND Brass bases (upgraded from Polished Brass to PVD coated) and the pvd brass plates. Aluminum plates are in and ready for the anodization process. Both meet our standards and knowing quality is up to spec, mass production order is being placed. Linked below are pictures of the plates and bases. Acrylic Plates and Bases have been QC'd and are finished. The waldo is now also officially in the QMK configurator.
https://imgur.com/a/LY05uP5
Thanks for Reading!
Who do I need to contact about changing the shipping information on my order? I've moved to a permanent residence, and the order is currently going to be shipped to my old apartment
Who do I need to contact about changing the shipping information on my order? I've moved to a permanent residence, and the order is currently going to be shipped to my old apartment
Who do I need to contact about changing the shipping information on my order? I've moved to a permanent residence, and the order is currently going to be shipped to my old apartment
You can DM me through Geekhack as well if you have a new address to update with.
Now that the plates, bases, And PCBs look to be in a good place, what’s the status on the Corian parts?
Samples from new factory came in today, and quality is absolutely above and beyond what I was expecting. I have tentatively assembled the board to check fit with the other parts, and everything is very comfortable and easy to assemble. Corner Radii fit perfect, threaded inserts are as solid as can be, and production will now move forward at full throttle. Will update with lead time this week. Thank you all again for your patience and support on this project!
Here is an album of the Cosmos Prima variant with the Brass plate and weight features: https://imgur.com/a/BRiDQGv
Samples from new factory came in today, and quality is absolutely above and beyond what I was expecting. I have tentatively assembled the board to check fit with the other parts, and everything is very comfortable and easy to assemble. Corner Radii fit perfect, threaded inserts are as solid as can be, and production will now move forward at full throttle. Will update with lead time this week. Thank you all again for your patience and support on this project!
Here is an album of the Cosmos Prima variant with the Brass plate and weight features: https://imgur.com/a/BRiDQGv
Samples from new factory came in today, and quality is absolutely above and beyond what I was expecting. I have tentatively assembled the board to check fit with the other parts, and everything is very comfortable and easy to assemble. Corner Radii fit perfect, threaded inserts are as solid as can be, and production will now move forward at full throttle. Will update with lead time this week. Thank you all again for your patience and support on this project!
Here is an album of the Cosmos Prima variant with the Brass plate and weight features: https://imgur.com/a/BRiDQGv
you smell that?
it's regret
extras avail??? :eek:
I'm not gonna lie to ya, I regret not seeing the potential of the Cosmos version now.
But I bet I won't be disappointed with the white version either!
More prototypes showed up today. These are not 100% polished, as I have a nice buffing wheel on the way, but here they are nevertheless: https://imgur.com/a/pXzHdi0
Concerning lead time, am in talks with Manu's, and working on timings, and will update the thread with a figure this week still.
More prototypes showed up today. These are not 100% polished, as I have a nice buffing wheel on the way, but here they are nevertheless: https://imgur.com/a/pXzHdi0
Concerning lead time, am in talks with Manu's, and working on timings, and will update the thread with a figure this week still.
These are looking spectacular. Is that KAT profile on the one with the white keycaps?
More prototypes showed up today. These are not 100% polished, as I have a nice buffing wheel on the way, but here they are nevertheless: https://imgur.com/a/pXzHdi0
Concerning lead time, am in talks with Manu's, and working on timings, and will update the thread with a figure this week still.
These are looking spectacular. Is that KAT profile on the one with the white keycaps?
Yes, it's Kat Alpha.
More prototypes showed up today. These are not 100% polished, as I have a nice buffing wheel on the way, but here they are nevertheless: https://imgur.com/a/pXzHdi0
Concerning lead time, am in talks with Manu's, and working on timings, and will update the thread with a figure this week still.
More prototypes showed up today. These are not 100% polished, as I have a nice buffing wheel on the way, but here they are nevertheless: https://imgur.com/a/pXzHdi0
Concerning lead time, am in talks with Manu's, and working on timings, and will update the thread with a figure this week still.
Wow... I REALLY want to type on one of these.
Put together some typing videos here with various relevant/personal favorite switches:
Well, if these corian boards turn out as well as I expect they will, perhaps we may see 65/75% or TKL Luminas in the future?
I know I’d like to see this material explored further in other form factors too.
Well, if these corian boards turn out as well as I expect they will, perhaps we may see 65/75% or TKL Luminas in the future?
I know I’d like to see this material explored further in other form factors too.
I hope so. I was super interested in this board, but can't use 60% or smaller--I've tried, it's just not my thing, so I didn't join for this round.
Looking forward to seeing how the white-black-rose gold combo featured in the OP turns out; it would have been the one I'd have ordered. Unless the white material stains or yellows easily.
Put together some typing videos here with various relevant/personal favorite switches:The Box Whites sound amazing. Guess you’d have to know what box whites sound like in other boards to know this sound is a great one. Well done.
I fully intend to make it right with everyone I have wronged and have been working hard to achieve this.
From what I've read, until he can get the money locked in his PayPal account out to be paid to his manufacturer, this GB is going to be stuck in a limbo.
Anyone remembered how much we paid for this?
From what I've read, until he can get the money locked in his PayPal account out to be paid to his manufacturer, this GB is going to be stuck in a limbo.
Anyone remembered how much we paid for this?
I don’t understand the PayPal situation at all. How come no other group buys have this problem? What is special about this one that led to this crazy locked money situation? I feel bad for Teslestron if everything is indeed out of his hands as he puts it but the whole post was written in a very woe is me attitude and doesn’t really give any details on exactly why this is such an issue. $400 let down is a lot to swallow.
i'm in for $387 (with shipping) as well; cosmos prima with brass plate and weight. certainly a fairly hefty sum but it does seem like it could've been worse.Iirc, it went something like : tes used his personal PayPal account, didn't let PayPal know, so they locked his money when they saw $40k come in, suspected laundering. Tes panicked and tried to get money in various other ways, some questionable. Manus kept delaying his order, for other reasons.I don’t understand the PayPal situation at all. How come no other group buys have this problem? What is special about this one that led to this crazy locked money situation? I feel bad for Teslestron if everything is indeed out of his hands as he puts it but the whole post was written in a very woe is me attitude and doesn’t really give any details on exactly why this is such an issue. $400 let down is a lot to swallow.
yeah, i don't get this either. the part of tes's recent post where he mentioned that the funds were locked and that paypal expected him to get a loan or something just left me confused. i don't understand if paypal routinely does this and if other gb runners experience this, or if this only happened in this specific circumstance. he mentioned something about a board getting refunded when talking about this but without any context for what went wrong it just feels confusing and opaque. it would seem like either something specific happened to cause the funds to be locked, or this happens with any larger gb and tes just wasn't prepared for that.
either way, it doesn't seem like paypal is going to re-open the funds anytime soon so i'm not sure what the plan moving forward is, though tes has said he's working on another post where he'll explain what happens next. i hope the boards do actually get produced, but i'm not really holding my breath anymore.
Update posted here:Thanks for the update, and thanks for ensuring timely updates going forward
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/by2mw0/tesletron_update_2/?
Hi All,Thanks for the update. I'm going to wait for one more update, which according to the reddit post is going to be this Friday, and then I might have to jump ship as well.
I would like to share my experience in making a Paypal claim for the refund on the Lumina GB:
- Made paypal claim June 7th, after the claims period had expired
- Paypal responded with its traditional email saying seller has 10 days to respond
- Paypal did not wait the 10 days for a seller response, and instead emailed me today that "We reviewed the information regarding the case below and have decided in your favor" without the seller having provided a response
Now, I have no idea what this means, but I would say I have never seen or heard of Paypal deciding to give a refund before the seller's response period had finished. It is even more noteworthy because the paypal guarantee period has expired, but PayPal refunded me anyway. I don't know what it means--I don't know if it means Greenwald is more blameworthy than he's letting on, or less blameworthy and somehow Paypal feels it's at fault, or if PayPal talked to Greenwald and he decided not to dispute the claim--but I did think it is highly unusual and that the group-buy participants should learn of my experience so they can draw their own conclusions and make informed decisions. I will say I have no animosity toward Greenwald; everyone makes mistakes or gets in over their heads. But OTOH this GB appears far from guaranteed to be completed successfully and people should keep that in mind.
Hi All,
I would like to share my experience in making a Paypal claim for the refund on the Lumina GB:
- Made paypal claim June 7th, after the claims period had expired
- Paypal responded with its traditional email saying seller has 10 days to respond
- Paypal did not wait the 10 days for a seller response, and instead emailed me today that "We reviewed the information regarding the case below and have decided in your favor" without the seller having provided a response
Now, I have no idea what this means, but I would say I have never seen or heard of Paypal deciding to give a refund before the seller's response period had finished. It is even more noteworthy because the paypal guarantee period has expired, but PayPal refunded me anyway. I don't know what it means--I don't know if it means Greenwald is more blameworthy than he's letting on, or less blameworthy and somehow Paypal feels it's at fault, or if PayPal talked to Greenwald and he decided not to dispute the claim--but I did think it is highly unusual and that the group-buy participants should learn of my experience so they can draw their own conclusions and make informed decisions. I will say I have no animosity toward Greenwald; everyone makes mistakes or gets in over their heads. But OTOH this GB appears far from guaranteed to be completed successfully and people should keep that in mind.
Hi All,
I would like to share my experience in making a Paypal claim for the refund on the Lumina GB:
- Made paypal claim June 7th, after the claims period had expired
- Paypal responded with its traditional email saying seller has 10 days to respond
- Paypal did not wait the 10 days for a seller response, and instead emailed me today that "We reviewed the information regarding the case below and have decided in your favor" without the seller having provided a response
Now, I have no idea what this means, but I would say I have never seen or heard of Paypal deciding to give a refund before the seller's response period had finished. It is even more noteworthy because the paypal guarantee period has expired, but PayPal refunded me anyway. I don't know what it means--I don't know if it means Greenwald is more blameworthy than he's letting on, or less blameworthy and somehow Paypal feels it's at fault, or if PayPal talked to Greenwald and he decided not to dispute the claim--but I did think it is highly unusual and that the group-buy participants should learn of my experience so they can draw their own conclusions and make informed decisions. I will say I have no animosity toward Greenwald; everyone makes mistakes or gets in over their heads. But OTOH this GB appears far from guaranteed to be completed successfully and people should keep that in mind.
Just to clarify, I refunded the order. I am aware that people will want refunds, and while I am working on the next update, I have also been working on accommodating people who might want refunds. I have also been searching for people to take over spots for people who do not wish to be in the GB anymore. I have every plan to finish this group buy to the end, but I just wanted to clear up that information for you.
I can't go to the link Greenwald sent. Something about privacy error. What does the update say?
Hey All, update number 3 here, going to keep it short and simple.
For the last week, I have been working on logistics concerning refunds and spot transfers, which is why I have not shared the spreadsheet with everyone. I want to make sure that the names/people’s orders are settled so that I don’t share the document with people who do not wish to receive unnecessary emails or notifications if they are no longer involved in the buys.
Moving on to the important stuff: Lumina. As for the future of the Lumina GB production, I have a roadmap for how production will proceed. I have talked with the Manu doing the Corian, and have been able to convince them to split it into 3 batches of the entire order, which will allow me to effectively pay for each batch within my financial capabilities and the money I have secured for the production. A tentative roadmap to produce the parts is as follows: I estimate the first batch of shipping Luminas will be no shorter than one month from now, assuming there are no delays with production or shipments. The second and third batches will not be long after, as I have been and will be working earning more money to cover the rest of the parts. The next month will consist of me working and borrowing money to keep paying production invoices. My plan is to pay for the first batch invoice within the next 1 to 2 weeks. Of course, I will update information on this with the next update, one week from now.
Addressing the one off and private buys, in addition to the Lumina Manus, I will be using additional manufacturers to produce parts for those products. For most of the private buys and one offs, I already have purchased materials. Pretty much all that is left is to pay for manufacturing for the various parts, as well as various finishing, which includes but is not limited to cerakoting and anodizing.
As usual, if there are any concerns, reach out to me, and I will do my best to provide updates.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ce27sx/tesletron_update_6/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ci9a4o/tesletron_update_7/?Is white shipping out first batch as well? I only ask because it was included in update #5
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ci9a4o/tesletron_update_7/?
Any b stock? Or anyone willing to sell a spot on the gb :3?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/cvyxxe/tesletron_update_9/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/cvyxxe/tesletron_update_9/?This is a killer update. Thanks
any news? last few updates said shipping round one this weekWait, which update said that? The updates say that shipping will start once the tops come in and have been QC'd to the point of being 'finished', but I don't think there was ever a date on when that would happen
"I expect to start shipping kits from batch 1 no later than the week of Oct 21." update 13any news? last few updates said shipping round one this weekWait, which update said that? The updates say that shipping will start once the tops come in and have been QC'd to the point of being 'finished', but I don't think there was ever a date on when that would happen
Yeet"I expect to start shipping kits from batch 1 no later than the week of Oct 21." update 13any news? last few updates said shipping round one this weekWait, which update said that? The updates say that shipping will start once the tops come in and have been QC'd to the point of being 'finished', but I don't think there was ever a date on when that would happen
Anyone want to sell their board? Please PM me here or Reddit.
Seems like at least some of these have shipped:That's a proto unit
Seems like at least some of these have shipped:That's a rebuild stream of a proto
"I expect to start shipping kits from batch 1 no later than the week of Oct 21."How do you know he hasn't shipped batch 1?
So much for that. What's the new ETA? What are we waiting on? Are funds available to finish the GB?
If we don't get an update by November 15 I'm filing a fraud dispute with my credit card company. That's more than enough time to literally just post an update with the current project status.
"I expect to start shipping kits from batch 1 no later than the week of Oct 21."How do you know he hasn't shipped batch 1?
So much for that. What's the new ETA? What are we waiting on? Are funds available to finish the GB?
If we don't get an update by November 15 I'm filing a fraud dispute with my credit card company. That's more than enough time to literally just post an update with the current project status.
Riperino..."I expect to start shipping kits from batch 1 no later than the week of Oct 21."How do you know he hasn't shipped batch 1?
So much for that. What's the new ETA? What are we waiting on? Are funds available to finish the GB?
If we don't get an update by November 15 I'm filing a fraud dispute with my credit card company. That's more than enough time to literally just post an update with the current project status.
I'm in batch 1, so I should have a tracking number and/or a keyboard in hand by now.
The only components he doesn't have on-hand for batch 1 is the corian tops, which should have arrived weeks ago. The factory gave a 2-week turnaround estimate, but we all know what factory estimates are good for. Afaik Tes is still trying to get a straight answer out of the factory, and once he does we'll see an update. He's also working on trying to ship the VIAs that came to him recently
The only components he doesn't have on-hand for batch 1 is the corian tops, which should have arrived weeks ago. The factory gave a 2-week turnaround estimate, but we all know what factory estimates are good for. Afaik Tes is still trying to get a straight answer out of the factory, and once he does we'll see an update. He's also working on trying to ship the VIAs that came to him recently
The only components he doesn't have on-hand for batch 1 is the corian tops, which should have arrived weeks ago. The factory gave a 2-week turnaround estimate, but we all know what factory estimates are good for. Afaik Tes is still trying to get a straight answer out of the factory, and once he does we'll see an update. He's also working on trying to ship the VIAs that came to him recently
The only components he doesn't have on-hand for batch 1 is the corian tops, which should have arrived weeks ago. The factory gave a 2-week turnaround estimate, but we all know what factory estimates are good for. Afaik Tes is still trying to get a straight answer out of the factory, and once he does we'll see an update. He's also working on trying to ship the VIAs that came to him recently
The VIAs that I cerakoted have been with him for a over a month now. I hope those aren't the ones that he "recently" got. I hope the ones that I mailed to him are to their rightful owners. I hope to at least get my board, but have a good feeling that I probably never will, the worst part is that I gave him a TX-CP for it, so there is no way for me to get my money back. I know he is working on trying to get the Lumina GB taken care of but I hope he doesn't forget about all the rest of us that ordered special commissions and other boards from him.
Same. This is how you have to operate in this hobby. If you can't just as easily light the money on fire as you can throw it at a GB, then you shouldn't throw it at a GB.The only components he doesn't have on-hand for batch 1 is the corian tops, which should have arrived weeks ago. The factory gave a 2-week turnaround estimate, but we all know what factory estimates are good for. Afaik Tes is still trying to get a straight answer out of the factory, and once he does we'll see an update. He's also working on trying to ship the VIAs that came to him recently
The VIAs that I cerakoted have been with him for a over a month now. I hope those aren't the ones that he "recently" got. I hope the ones that I mailed to him are to their rightful owners. I hope to at least get my board, but have a good feeling that I probably never will, the worst part is that I gave him a TX-CP for it, so there is no way for me to get my money back. I know he is working on trying to get the Lumina GB taken care of but I hope he doesn't forget about all the rest of us that ordered special commissions and other boards from him.
I already parted ways with the money I sent to him.
How long has it been already since the group buy first started?
How long has it been already since the group buy first started?
He's completely ghosted the discord after promising to ship in october. not a word since early oct.
It'd be a lot cooler if he posted a public update of the status for everyone invested, instead of PM you about shipping a few VIAsHe's completely ghosted the discord after promising to ship in october. not a word since early oct.
He's not gone, probably just busy. He PM'd me the other day to let me know that he mailed out some of the VIAs. Lightning built one on his stream the other day and posted pics on reddit and discord. I'm not too sure if he mailed out the Luminas that he had ready to go yet or not.
There aren’t any Luminas ready to ship because he hasn’t received any corian tops. The shipment was supposedly lost... TWICE, which is obviously hard to believe.He's completely ghosted the discord after promising to ship in october. not a word since early oct.
He's not gone, probably just busy. He PM'd me the other day to let me know that he mailed out some of the VIAs. Lightning built one on his stream the other day and posted pics on reddit and discord. I'm not too sure if he mailed out the Luminas that he had ready to go yet or not.
3rd time's a charm, amarite XDThere aren’t any Luminas ready to ship because he hasn’t received any corian tops. The shipment was supposedly lost... TWICE, which is obviously hard to believe.He's completely ghosted the discord after promising to ship in october. not a word since early oct.
He's not gone, probably just busy. He PM'd me the other day to let me know that he mailed out some of the VIAs. Lightning built one on his stream the other day and posted pics on reddit and discord. I'm not too sure if he mailed out the Luminas that he had ready to go yet or not.
He's completely ghosted the discord after promising to ship in october. not a word since early oct.
He's not gone, probably just busy. He PM'd me the other day to let me know that he mailed out some of the VIAs. Lightning built one on his stream the other day and posted pics on reddit and discord. I'm not too sure if he mailed out the Luminas that he had ready to go yet or not.
One break?! Puuffff. Gimme two breaks!!He's completely ghosted the discord after promising to ship in october. not a word since early oct.
He's not gone, probably just busy. He PM'd me the other day to let me know that he mailed out some of the VIAs. Lightning built one on his stream the other day and posted pics on reddit and discord. I'm not too sure if he mailed out the Luminas that he had ready to go yet or not.
he's been 'too busy' to drop by and give one comment in TWO MONTHS.
give me a break
Anyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.+ G60. Tight race
Anyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.+ G60. Tight race
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Anyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.+ G60. Tight race
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All three for me too.
Anyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.+ G60. Tight race
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All three for me too.
probably going to be a really long race, homie.Anyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.+ G60. Tight race
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Anyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.Yep, same boat here too! :thumb:
Anyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.Yep, same boat here too! :thumb:
I still don't think it's a scam, but it is a failed gb that won't come to fruition due to poor planningAnyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.Yep, same boat here too! :thumb:
Not sure about M0110 but this is looking more and more like an outright scam.
Maybe you're not in the Discord server.I still don't think it's a scam, but it is a failed gb that won't come to fruition due to poor planningAnyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.Yep, same boat here too! :thumb:
Not sure about M0110 but this is looking more and more like an outright scam.
You are correct, I am not in discord. I'll take your word for it then. Damn shame. God speed to us allMaybe you're not in the Discord server.I still don't think it's a scam, but it is a failed gb that won't come to fruition due to poor planningAnyone here in both the Modern M0110 and Lumina group buy? I am one of them and it is starting to look like a competition.Yep, same boat here too! :thumb:
Not sure about M0110 but this is looking more and more like an outright scam.
Currently rubbermilitia (who was just supposed to be doing communication and wrap-up work) seems to be getting the run-around by Tesletron, who still has sole control over the finances and manufacturer contact information.
This was not just poor planning (by someone who had personal connections with experienced designers/vendors and some experience of their own manufacturing). If we are to believe the story we are told about a factory ghosting, a lost shipment by another factory, then that factory ghosting on what should have been a replacement shipment, we would need to be extraordinarily unlucky.
Yet if you do some back-of-the-envelope math there should still be enough money to finish the GB, although maybe it's getting down to the wire.
What's more likely at this point is that Tesletron spent GB money on things other than the GB and now plans to delay it forever, or had planned to run other GBs/one-offs/commissions in order to make up the deficit until things started falling apart and they were called out on Reddit.
Recall that the first delays occurred right after the 180 day Paypal window closed, among many other unfortunate coincidences.
I'm not saying this is definitely what happened, but that's starting to look like the most logical explanation.
if you're surprised raise your hand*raises hand timidly
so what was even the point of coming back promising to fulfill these boards, vowing to provide better communication, and going as far as to provide weekly updates? we're back to square one with a total drop-off in communication, and are seemingly no closer to having our luminas. i genuinely wish tes would have just ghosted us and disappeared completely instead of dragging this out for so, so long. this has been such an odd and confusing saga, and i regularly kick myself for paying nearly $400 to be a part of it.Draw the time out. Most people's anger will slowly die out to a point where they accept their losses, know there is nothing they can do, and just forget about getting screwed over. It's softening the blow. You kinda explained everything yourself. This is an odd and confusing saga that is tiring to keep up with. It's tiring to keep caring about this thing after a year. Every day you expect an update on this is just another day you are torturing yourself. Time will make the people who joined in become jaded. Hell would have been raised if this all happened abruptly. Now its late enough in the game where everything will just fizzle out
so what was even the point of coming back promising to fulfill these boards, vowing to provide better communication, and going as far as to provide weekly updates? we're back to square one with a total drop-off in communication, and are seemingly no closer to having our luminas. i genuinely wish tes would have just ghosted us and disappeared completely instead of dragging this out for so, so long. this has been such an odd and confusing saga, and i regularly kick myself for paying nearly $400 to be a part of it.Draw the time out. Most people's anger will slowly die out to a point where they accept their losses, know there is nothing they can do, and just forget about getting screwed over. It's softening the blow. You kinda explained everything yourself. This is an odd and confusing saga that is tiring to keep up with. It's tiring to keep caring about this thing after a year. Every day you expect an update on this is just another day you are torturing yourself. Time will make the people who joined in become jaded. Hell would have been raised if this all happened abruptly. Now its late enough in the game where everything will just fizzle out
Is there any way to find him? I mean his PayPal account has to go to a real account in his name.. how is it not possible for 100 of us to do something about it?LOL wtf, are you trying to stir up a mob to go break this guy's thumbs? Also, you don't need a paypal account to find him. He's not hiding. He's the founder of Greenwald Designs. You can google search 'founder of Greenwald Designs' and he pops up
Wait...when are we breaking his thumbs?Is there any way to find him? I mean his PayPal account has to go to a real account in his name.. how is it not possible for 100 of us to do something about it?LOL wtf, are you trying to stir up a mob to go break this guy's thumbs? Also, you don't need a paypal account to find him. He's not hiding. He's the founder of Greenwald Designs. You can google search 'founder of Greenwald Designs' and he pops up
StopWait...when are we breaking his thumbs?Is there any way to find him? I mean his PayPal account has to go to a real account in his name.. how is it not possible for 100 of us to do something about it?LOL wtf, are you trying to stir up a mob to go break this guy's thumbs? Also, you don't need a paypal account to find him. He's not hiding. He's the founder of Greenwald Designs. You can google search 'founder of Greenwald Designs' and he pops up
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Wait...when are we breaking his thumbs?Is there any way to find him? I mean his PayPal account has to go to a real account in his name.. how is it not possible for 100 of us to do something about it?LOL wtf, are you trying to stir up a mob to go break this guy's thumbs? Also, you don't need a paypal account to find him. He's not hiding. He's the founder of Greenwald Designs. You can google search 'founder of Greenwald Designs' and he pops up
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ne pay per view avail?I know a filming crew that'd jump at an opportunity like this
Is there any way to find him? I mean his PayPal account has to go to a real account in his name.. how is it not possible for 100 of us to do something about it?
It seems like if money is really still locked up in paypal then if enough people emailed pay pal about the situation we could perhaps have in unlocked and refunded? I say let's give it a try.... I'd have some sympathy for Ganesha if he wasnt hiding away and not answering any posts and basically lying to everyone about his actions. Threatening him bodily is f'd up, but financially at this point is warranted... I'll be placing a PP complaint today and hope all do as well.
Is there any way to find him? I mean his PayPal account has to go to a real account in his name.. how is it not possible for 100 of us to do something about it?
You could pursue a refund via a credit card, or if you really have no other recourse you can file a complaint in small claims court
Glad I was able to get a refund through paypal when I did. Sad, was pretty hyped for it.Good call. I gambled and lost
its been almost 3 weeks since the last update :thumb:Did you ever talk to your bank
not yet, i was waiting for this update, i just hope ganesh understands that at a certain point this is considered theft. there are a lot of people in this gb, which means there's a lot of money. we can wait, and wait, but eventually we either get boards, our money, or ganesh will be designing in jail.its been almost 3 weeks since the last update :thumb:Did you ever talk to your bank
i just contacted paypal and was told to talk to my bank and if that doesn't work, file a police report.Used to work for eBay. When we said this type of thing it meant your likely SOL. Local police rarely do anything about these situations unfortunately. At least that's the impression I got when people actually spoke to the police.
I could see local police not doing much for a single individual with a "negligible" loss. Perhaps a good amount of you can coordinate via a discord server/channel and then reach out to the local police department in which he resides. I am willing to bet they assign a detective with a good amount of complaints logged, to at the very least they will check into it.I mean, I'd rather just get my bank involved and either get my money back or cut my losses entirely.
Anyone successfully submitted a chargeback or claim with their bank? I'm going to go through the process with regions later this week or next. I'll update with all the information on the process and outcome.
Tempted to file a chargeback, too, but I honestly would prefer the board after trying a prototype in person.Dog, you aren't getting a board lol
Tempted to file a chargeback, too, but I honestly would prefer the board after trying a prototype in person.
Does anyone have ANY update on Tesletron at all? I've been waiting for him to ship my keyboard for around 5-6 months now to no avail.No updates. Is it a custom commission or a Lumina?
Does anyone have ANY update on Tesletron at all? I've been waiting for him to ship my keyboard for around 5-6 months now to no avail.No updates. Is it a custom commission or a Lumina?
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RIP baguetteDoes anyone have ANY update on Tesletron at all? I've been waiting for him to ship my keyboard for around 5-6 months now to no avail.No updates. Is it a custom commission or a Lumina?
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It's from a small GB for a board called Baguette,the board's been ready for like 6 months.All he has to do is ship.
Makes me sad to think I may have lost money on this one.
A hard lesson to learn, and a reminder that every GB is a gamble.
i mean this is mass scale theft, its undeniable this is a crime. why haven't we made a joined effort in reporting this thief?
yeah that was me :D
i mean this is mass scale theft, its undeniable this is a crime. why haven't we made a joined effort in reporting this thief?
I think there were a few people mentioning doing just that on the discord channel for this group buy a few weeks ago.
Hello all,You 'heard from tes today'? Why doesn't he post himself? Also, not all of us use discord. Regardless, when you speak of a new method to getting something out to ALL PARTICIPANTS, that includes everyone involved in the group buy, regardless of whether they join the discord, right?
Please feel free to join the 'lumina refugees' server, created in order to keep all participants in contact and allow people with active disputes to share their experience and possibly help others.
I heard from Tes again today, and we're working on a new method of getting *something* out to gb participants. Having worked closely with Tes since this gb went downhill, I'm confident that he is not a thief, and this gb was not created to steal your money. Rather, the gb was horribly mismanaged and ran out of capital before completion. For the participants, this is hardly a distinction considering you are all still empty handed. But it does mean that Tes is still sitting on a lot of material and components which can be leveraged to mitigate everyone's losses in this gb; and he is working with me on a solution.
If you're actively disputing or if you feel that disputing is the right choice for you, please do proceed with it, but I do ask that the participants consider hearing us out before disputing en masse. We're meeting tonight and will have a proposal for you guys as soon as possible.
I am also a participant of this gb; 450$ out. But I believe this gb is in some way salvageable. If the time comes that our salvage ideas don't work out, and disputes are literally the only possible way forward, I will be there to encourage and assist the participants in taking that measure.
Stay tuned on this. Updates will likely not be posted here, but will be in discord.
https://discord.gg/RzaVa77
You 'heard from tes today'? Why doesn't he post himself? Also, not all of us use discord. Regardless, when you speak of a new method to getting something out to ALL PARTICIPANTS, that includes everyone involved in the group buy, regardless of whether they join the discord, right?
Hello all,
Please feel free to join the 'lumina refugees' server, created in order to keep all participants in contact and allow people with active disputes to share their experience and possibly help others.
I heard from Tes again today, and we're working on a new method of getting *something* out to gb participants. Having worked closely with Tes since this gb went downhill, I'm confident that he is not a thief, and this gb was not created to steal your money. Rather, the gb was horribly mismanaged and ran out of capital before completion. For the participants, this is hardly a distinction considering you are all still empty handed. But it does mean that Tes is still sitting on a lot of material and components which can be leveraged to mitigate everyone's losses in this gb; and he is working with me on a solution.
If you're actively disputing or if you feel that disputing is the right choice for you, please do proceed with it, but I do ask that the participants consider hearing us out before disputing en masse. We're meeting tonight and will have a proposal for you guys as soon as possible.
I am also a participant of this gb; 450$ out. But I believe this gb is in some way salvageable. If the time comes that our salvage ideas don't work out, and disputes are literally the only possible way forward, I will be there to encourage and assist the participants in taking that measure.
Stay tuned on this. Updates will likely not be posted here, but will be in discord.
https://discord.gg/RzaVa77
Hello all,
Please feel free to join the 'lumina refugees' server, created in order to keep all participants in contact and allow people with active disputes to share their experience and possibly help others.
I heard from Tes again today, and we're working on a new method of getting *something* out to gb participants. Having worked closely with Tes since this gb went downhill, I'm confident that he is not a thief, and this gb was not created to steal your money. Rather, the gb was horribly mismanaged and ran out of capital before completion. For the participants, this is hardly a distinction considering you are all still empty handed. But it does mean that Tes is still sitting on a lot of material and components which can be leveraged to mitigate everyone's losses in this gb; and he is working with me on a solution.
If you're actively disputing or if you feel that disputing is the right choice for you, please do proceed with it, but I do ask that the participants consider hearing us out before disputing en masse. We're meeting tonight and will have a proposal for you guys as soon as possible.
I am also a participant of this gb; 450$ out. But I believe this gb is in some way salvageable. If the time comes that our salvage ideas don't work out, and disputes are literally the only possible way forward, I will be there to encourage and assist the participants in taking that measure.
Stay tuned on this. Updates will likely not be posted here, but will be in discord.
https://discord.gg/RzaVa77
lmao y'all delusional if you think my man is going to finish this^^^^^^
Hello all,If he doesn't wanna steal our money can you tell him to ship my board? I've been waiting on shipping for 7 months.
Please feel free to join the 'lumina refugees' server, created in order to keep all participants in contact and allow people with active disputes to share their experience and possibly help others.
I heard from Tes again today, and we're working on a new method of getting *something* out to gb participants. Having worked closely with Tes since this gb went downhill, I'm confident that he is not a thief, and this gb was not created to steal your money. Rather, the gb was horribly mismanaged and ran out of capital before completion. For the participants, this is hardly a distinction considering you are all still empty handed. But it does mean that Tes is still sitting on a lot of material and components which can be leveraged to mitigate everyone's losses in this gb; and he is working with me on a solution.
If you're actively disputing or if you feel that disputing is the right choice for you, please do proceed with it, but I do ask that the participants consider hearing us out before disputing en masse. We're meeting tonight and will have a proposal for you guys as soon as possible.
I am also a participant of this gb; 450$ out. But I believe this gb is in some way salvageable. If the time comes that our salvage ideas don't work out, and disputes are literally the only possible way forward, I will be there to encourage and assist the participants in taking that measure.
Stay tuned on this. Updates will likely not be posted here, but will be in discord.
https://discord.gg/RzaVa77
I highly advise anyone to avoid giving this GB any more money.this.
It's going to take awhile to gather all the info we need to create the proposal, so I wanted to loop everyone in to what's happening and why. Feel free to ask questions as you have them. I'll be compiling a list of questions to answer in the Q&A section of the official proposal, so do not expect an immediate answer.First of all, I wouldn't expect anyone to pay any more money regarding what has happened. Around 100$ extra for a downgraded version doesn't seem logical for anyone to pay.
THIS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL PROPOSAL, JUST AN UPDATE.
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**Basic idea of the proposal:**
Group buy has run out of capital and is dead in the water. Tes has not been able to stay on top of the gb or updates, and did not manage cost properly. Most of us still want a board but no longer trust Tes to handle this. Idea is to transfer all the group buy components, materials, etc from Tes to myself (rubbermilitia). After the transfer, Tes is no longer involved in gb cash, nor responsible for updates/orders/communication/etc; rather, Tes remains on only as a product consultant/designer and collects no additional cash in any way. Rubber collects a cash infusion from participants (we're aiming for this to be <100$ per person, but won't have actual details on that until later). Complete the group buy with downgraded components (no alum bottoms, no brass anything, likely to be replaced by acrylic). Anyone who is unable or unwilling to participate in the 'rescue group buy' will likely have to wait for Tes to generate the funds to refund them, with the help of whatever is left over from the rescue gb (cash/components/etc). *I am not inheriting Tes' obligations to participants.*
**Steps to take:**
1. Gather Information to determine our current situation *- we are here*
2. Figure out exactly what components/materials/etc we need to get this gb to done state (with downgraded components)
3. Get quotes from manufacturers near me (rubbermilitia)
4. Figure out how much capital we need to complete gb with downgraded components
5. Write proposal including detailed plan of attack, quotes, MOQs, photos, and Q&A
6. Approach participants with proposal
7. Hand off group buy (Tes>rubber), collect capital infusion from participants
8. Complete group buy with downgraded components
9. Update on a weekly basis
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**What we've gotten done:**
- Contacted manufacturer local to Tes who has all the raw material on hand (I was cc'd on the email, saw response from him firsthand). He refuses to take inventory of material/completed parts/half-finished parts, etc, so we're not sure exactly what he has/what state it is in. He wants an address to ship the material to, and won't consider actually finishing the project. In fact he gave us a deadline of 04/27/2020 to give him an address to ship to. I'm not sure how he has all the material, or why he's out of patience, but I won't be digging into that- the info we're collecting is just to help with the hand-off and **as I've said before, my plan is not to audit the failure of Tes' run of this gb**. We will likely need to ship all of this material directly to me very soon to maintain possession of these materials, and take photos/inventory to determine what remains to be completed.
- Took exact inventory of what Tes has on hand (PCBs, bases, plates, corian bottoms), along with multiple photos and timestamps
- Spoke with my lawyer to determine the proper path to transfer the group buy to me, including components, materials, and obligation to make best effort to complete the group buy. I was able to get the information I need to be confident inheriting this mess. I would essentially only be inheriting the components + materials, with a written intent to make best effort at fulfillment.
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**What we're currently working on:**
- Tes is updating master spreadsheet of everyone who joined the gb, to make sure we are aware of our current active buyers, refunds which went out early in the buy, etc. Need this to be accurate and current so we know which participant is owed what.
- I am working on collecting all/any documentation related to this gb that I can. Again, I'm not going to spend hours piecing together a paper trail to determine exactly where Tes went wrong. My only goal is to finish what he started.
- Tes and I are working on figuring out what we can seed in the 'rescue fund' (cash infusion I mentioned earlier). Goal is to get a chunk of cash from Tes, and some mech keyboard stuff. I can also put forward some cash and some keyboard stuff, like a gherkin, switches, etc. I have no obligation to do this but I also want the rescue gb to succeed. We are discussing the possibility of using these donated items as incentives for higher contribution to the rescue fund. Or possibly just selling them to add the cash to the rescue fund.
- Tes and I are working on getting the materials shipped from the manufacturer directly to me (Tes has no room to store it, and we don't have a new factory yet, nor do we want to jump the gun on choosing a factory just to have somewhere to store materials.)
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**Final thoughts for now**
Please remember this is in early stages, and I would like to hear your thoughts, but I do not want to be spammed with questions about Tes' mistakes. This is a large undertaking and there is still a lot of info to collect, but I am willing to move forward with making this happen if I have majority support from the participants. We will be polling the participants after the actual proposal is released to get an idea of what % of participants are on board. It is likely that if we see <50% support, I will be stepping down from any involvement with the gb, and letting it run whatever course it would have without intervention.
THIS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL POLL, but it would be nice to get an early gauge of how many people are on board for this idea, so if you are FOR or AGAINST it, please feel free to comment or PM me. Since this isn't the official poll, I'm not requesting order #'s with votes yet, so please use the honor system and only respond if you're a participant.
Thank you for your time
PS I have nothing to do with one-offs and do not have answers to any of those questions. Lumina 60 gb is the only thing this rescue gb will address.
PPS Tes is dead broke, in debt, credit is destroyed, and the gb is at an indefinite standstill. You can't throw him in jail over this (regardless of what some people inexplicably think), and the cost to sue the money out of him would be more than the cost of the board..and then even if you win the suit, good luck collecting. On top of that, no attorney is going to touch a class action suit for such a small amount (~35k total collected from participants), and you would need a lot more cash than the rescue gb to even cover attorney fees. Plus pp dispute window expired, and the charge is too far past to have a hope of your bank doing anything (Please let us know if you were *recently* able to get a refund from a claim at your bank, so others can have this as an option, but this doesn't seem likely). Tes is determined to finish this (hence the fact that he is still holding on to all components and materials and working through this proposal with me), but it would take him years to gather the funds to either complete or refund all kits.
I have thought at length about other ways out of this mess for us participants, and discussed multiple times with my small business lawyer. The only way we get these boards is if we take action. My goal here is to deliver *something* to all of us participants who have no other options left, and I'm in a position where Tes is willing to hand over all components and materials and step aside.
It's a rare thing that a group buy fails so miserably, but I have faith that we can pull together as a community to get this done. We're only doing this if it's what you guys want to do.
your "update" is contradicting itself. On the one hand you are saying, that you will try to build up a rescue fund with cash and keeb stuff from Tes and on the other hand, you are saying that he is dead broke?!
the dude is a total skeez scammer and shouldn't see another dime of anyone's money
shouldn't you front the capital to get it done? then once it's done, you can deliver the goods to the initial GB participants for an additional $100 (or you could build a book of demand for initial GB participants only and set the clearning price that way) and then - if they don't want to do that - you can sell their boards in whatever manner you choose?
So let me get this straight. If 50% of people already in the hole give some commitment to fork over more money, only then will he own up to what he owes?
From what I see, some trust needs to be restored period.
I'd suggest lots of pics and timestamps to start. It's really hard to trust walls of text that end with requests for money.
Then, I'd target maybe 5 to get done and out to people (like prototypes basically), to show progress can be made (however small). Then maybe 25 more, then the rest.
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A collective effort should be made to file a police report. Consult Virginia's state law for guidance on this type of scam/fraud, along with federal options.
I think the bottom line is if he still can't speak for himself and needs to have you relay information, nothing much has changed. Zero trust.
- Tes and I are working on compiling a list of all one-offs/commissions/trades that he committed to and did not fulfill. This list will be posted publicly along with the official proposal. This is Tes' current top priority. He is also working on providing a status for each one-off (some are in various stages of completion, others are not started, etc)
I think the bottom line is if he still can't speak for himself and needs to have you relay information, nothing much has changed. Zero trust.
this!! ^^^^^^
I think the bottom line is if he still can't speak for himself and needs to have you relay information, nothing much has changed. Zero trust.
- Tes and I are working on compiling a list of all one-offs/commissions/trades that he committed to and did not fulfill. This list will be posted publicly along with the official proposal. This is Tes' current top priority. He is also working on providing a status for each one-off (some are in various stages of completion, others are not started, etc)
Jesus, there's so much hand holding here. Absolutely ridiculous.
Could someone post a new Discord link? Old one expired
UPDATE: Still nothing from manu, they have not sent tracking number as promised. We will follow up with him again on Jun 19, possibly with a demand letter. In the meantime, as promised, I have updated the spreadsheets: https://imgur.com/a/qzs9ley. I have also included the timestamps that Tes took near the start of the month here: https://imgur.com/a/gGfdqiF, which match up with the 'Tes Status' column on the one-off spreadsheet. Next, we are working on counting exactly how many additional components we need for each member to get a complete kit (for every component that is NOT corian, since we're still waiting on manu to ship corian so we know what we have/need for corian), and after that we will start looking at quotes. Thank you guys for your patience and LMK if there are questions.
I'm so glad I forced my refund from this trainwreck a year ago, seeing as nothing's changed.
This is really a lost cause.
I PM'd you trying to get access to the discord, the Lumina65 that was traded for a TX65 was actually traded for a TXCP, I'm willing to just have all the raw parts shipped to me and finding a manu here locally to finish making the board for me or making other stuff out of the parts.
Well I for one am totally surprised that the shady revival of this outright scam group buy went nowhere positive.Incorrect. There are pretty positive outcomes from the rescue. Namely:
I'm a participant and I haven't gotten design files. Not that I need them, as I got into this group buy with the intention with not making one myself.Well I for one am totally surprised that the shady revival of this outright scam group buy went nowhere positive.Incorrect. There are pretty good outcomes from the rescue. Namely:
* Participants got the design files, which I in turn managed to get one made for myself;
* We have some of the materials and we are still pursuing a viable option to manufacture the missing parts;
* Closure over what happened;
Now, whether you agree with that being a good outcome it's up to you.
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You're welcome to join the discord server and get the design files.I'm a participant and I haven't gotten design files. Not that I need them, as I got into this group buy with the intention with not making one myself.Well I for one am totally surprised that the shady revival of this outright scam group buy went nowhere positive.Incorrect. There are pretty good outcomes from the rescue. Namely:
* Participants got the design files, which I in turn managed to get one made for myself;
* We have some of the materials and we are still pursuing a viable option to manufacture the missing parts;
* Closure over what happened;
Now, whether you agree with that being a good outcome it's up to you.
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I also don't know what 'closure' anyone has gotten. I'll have clojure when I see $400 back in my account or a shiny white lumina that I ordered 2 years ago lol
I'm a participant and I haven't gotten design files.
Any updates? It has been almost two months since the last.
What is going to happen with the raw materials pictured?
Can't believe we all got fooled by Tes :(
Thank you for the update, Rubbermilitia.
And thank you for everything you’re doing for this recovery. This project would be a more bitter pill to swallow if not for your efforts. But this is a very unique community we find ourselves in.
This question says it's optional but it won't let me skip it:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BlDhe1G.png)
I'll also add at this point, as a major skeptic of anything greenwald/tessletron/etc related and totally unforgiving of him, I will be very happy to admit my cynicism was not warranted here if you pull this off. Credit where due, I'm impressed you're still seeing it though.Yup that's Luke's prototype and ty for the confidence! I am regaining some of my free time after a busy month, and looking back into this. There have also been many conversations around payment collection, and how a public side of the GB could help round out MOQs and bring pricing down lower for gb participants.