(GB) PENUMBRA SA KEYSET(shipping)

[cultofjosh]

Wallethack! I've barely been reading this site a month and this is already the 3rd group buy I'm in. But I liked this set so much I ordered 1 of everything to make sure I can always have whatever keyboard I choose outfitted with this 

Hope I like the SA keys as much as the color theme. Now if that ergodox kit does come out I can outfit 2 keyboards total...fingers crossed 

[elllit]

Wallethack! I've barely been reading this site a month and this is already the 3rd group buy I'm in. But I liked this set so much I ordered 1 of everything to make sure I can always have whatever keyboard I choose outfitted with this 

Hope I like the SA keys as much as the color theme. Now if that ergodox kit does come out I can outfit 2 keyboards total...fingers crossed 

3rd in  a month after joining?

... that's nothing... I bet I can better that stats...  ;( aaaaand

[kolonelkadat]

sigh. I think I screwed up my address on the order form. I didnt know If I was meant to put my name in the address box or not. I wasnt going to, but then I saw the message about youre just printing whatevers in that box...

oh well hopefully putting my name twice wont stop it getting here.

[codyeatworld]

sigh. I think I screwed up my address on the order form. I didnt know If I was meant to put my name in the address box or not. I wasnt going to, but then I saw the message about youre just printing whatevers in that box...

oh well hopefully putting my name twice wont stop it getting here.

You have nothing to worry about!

[VesperSAINT]

oh my lord, that is a beautiful set... how did i only see this now?! ugh.. not a fan of SP though... to order or not to order!!!!!!!!

[StylinGreymon]

oh my lord, that is a beautiful set... how did i only see this now?! ugh.. not a fan of SP though... to order or not to order!!!!!!!!

You askin' me?
I say order.

[dorkvader]

oh my lord, that is a beautiful set... how did i only see this now?! ugh.. not a fan of SP though... to order or not to order!!!!!!!!

If you don't like SP's thin doubleshots, or odd profile of their DCS keycaps, both of those issues are absent with these. SP's SA profile is very thick. I recommend order.

These are some of the thicker doubleshots you can get. Of all the KBs I have, I think only fujitsu leaf springs and honeywell hall effect have thicker keycaps.

[VesperSAINT]

oh my lord, that is a beautiful set... how did i only see this now?! ugh.. not a fan of SP though... to order or not to order!!!!!!!!

If you don't like SP's thin doubleshots, or odd profile of their DCS keycaps, both of those issues are absent with these. SP's SA profile is very thick. I recommend order.

These are some of the thicker doubleshots you can get. Of all the KBs I have, I think only fujitsu leaf springs and honeywell hall effect have thicker keycaps.

Oh wow, I didn't know of this! Even thicker than GMK/Cherry? Well now, I have some serious thinking to do!

Thank you very much for this information! By any chance, could you link me to some pictures of these SA caps and the undersides???

[dorkvader]

Oh wow, I didn't know of this! Even thicker than GMK/Cherry? Well now, I have some serious thinking to do!

Thank you very much for this information! By any chance, could you link me to some pictures of these SA caps and the undersides???

Here's the picture. (I got it from the commando thread, but it might be from the retro DSA thread or even earlier)

[VesperSAINT]

Oh wow, I didn't know of this! Even thicker than GMK/Cherry? Well now, I have some serious thinking to do!

Thank you very much for this information! By any chance, could you link me to some pictures of these SA caps and the undersides???

Here's the picture. (I got it from the commando thread, but it might be from the retro DSA thread or even earlier)

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Thank you for this!!!

Well shiz... Looks like my bank account might end up becoming much thinner earlier later this week...

[Elrick]

Well shiz... Looks like my bank account might end up becoming much thinner earlier later this week...

Welcome to Geekhack  .

[ClarusWorks]

This set looks awesome, looking at getting a base + number pad for an RK-9000 I'm planning to use for a "retro makeover" project.  Would this set include the right caps lock key, etc. for Costar boards?

Also, re: verification question "A popular serial bus for keyboard connectivity:"  PS/2 is also a serial bus... or maybe I'm now sufficiently old that it is no longer considered 'popular'.

[AuRinBei]

Any info on the novelty caps? That's what I'm most exited for.

[jwaz]

So no Colemak and no backspace for HHKB layout? (correct legends I mean) Sorry if that's already been covered and I missed it.

[dorkvader]

So no Colemak and no backspace for HHKB layout? (correct legends I mean) Sorry if that's already been covered and I missed it.

If the alphas are plat profile, dvorak and colemak should work. We are waiting on commando for this.

At least, if I understand it right that's the status.

[BunnyLake]

So no Colemak and no backspace for HHKB layout? (correct legends I mean) Sorry if that's already been covered and I missed it.

hhkb should be covered, as thats what i use, we need about 15 more orders before i make that official with the base set

colemak etc im waiting to get my hands on my commando to decide on what profile to go with

[Irisviel]

Paid thx for working

[Lumune]

So no Colemak and no backspace for HHKB layout? (correct legends I mean) Sorry if that's already been covered and I missed it.

hhkb should be covered, as thats what i use, we need about 15 more orders before i make that official with the base set

colemak etc im waiting to get my hands on my commando to decide on what profile to go with

Kept forgetting to place my order, make that 14 more orders

[skuko]

invoice paid, looking forward to the keys

[jaymatter]

+1 for an Ergodox option. I've PM'd you, Bunny.

Thanks for putting this together btw.

[BunnyLake]

all invoices now sent and up to date

3 days left to order guys

once ordering is complete, if you are at all interested in an ergodox kit, please watch this thread closely a day or 2 after the orders close, i will be putting together a list of everyone who wants an ergodox kit, coming to a consensus on what everyone needs it to include, getting a price for it and invoicing everyone who wants one, i need this process to go nice and speedy so if you want one please stay on top of the thread

[Air tree]

I love you Bunny. Now that i found a keycap set that i love i can order the ergodox without feeling empty inside with those bad looking blank dsa set it comes with

[nuclearsandwich]

all invoices now sent and up to date

3 days left to order guys

once ordering is complete, if you are at all interested in an ergodox kit, please watch this thread closely a day or 2 after the orders close, i will be putting together a list of everyone who wants an ergodox kit, coming to a consensus on what everyone needs it to include, getting a price for it and invoicing everyone who wants one, i need this process to go nice and speedy so if you want one please stay on top of the thread

I'll get an ergodox kit to help get the price down!

[mooswa]

I am hoping to hear about flat vs. sculptured alphas decision before I order.  I suspect that I will not like the flat 



Somehow, Tab row looks lower then Caps.

[Photoelectric]

It's not completely flat, just the 3 middle rows.  Also judging by responses, some people prefer it flat.  You won't know until you try it.  I don't think it will be the same as DSA necessarily.

[BunnyLake]

i was trying to get my hands on commando before this was over but obviously that isnt gonna happen

ill put some thought into the profile thing for the next day or so and would welcome some feedback

[Photoelectric]

Is the Filco set flat along the middle?  I think it might be.  I'd talk to JD about it--he's been raving about that set.  Belfong says here:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50159.msg1146180#msg1146180

I gotta admit that the SPH profile takes some adjustment. The way the profile stands would have cause my fingers to know each other. Now I begin to see how it is not for everybody and perhaps a All row 3 would be better.

[nuclearsandwich]

i was trying to get my hands on commando before this was over but obviously that isnt gonna happen

ill put some thought into the profile thing for the next day or so and would welcome some feedback

Is it worth delaying ordering to wait for Bunny to compare the row 3 profiled alphas to the SA set he has already? I wouldn't mind waiting an extra couple of weeks in order to feel really good about the decision.

Then again, if ergodox kits are being added on, maybe alphas all need to be row3 anyway...

[Photoelectric]

jil_jil32's photograph of the 23 Commando set profile:



And modifying his image to add row numbers:



Standard SA profile, Round5-style (also modifying jil_jil's image):



I kind of like the 2nd row from the top to be Row 2 for either scenario.  Sticks out less than Row 1 but still has an ergonomic curve.

P.S.: someone posted this photo (they are not sure of the origin) of Round3 on the DT R5 discussion thread.  The standard layout does seem more ergonomic
http://i.imgur.com/2StCZ0t.jpg

[StylinGreymon]

How many orders are we at?
We gettin' some extra goodies?

[mooswa]

It's not completely flat, just the 3 middle rows.  Also judging by responses, some people prefer it flat.  You won't know until you try it.  I don't think it will be the same as DSA necessarily.

I did say flat alphas.
Which responses are you referring too?  I would love to hear from somone who have actually typed on that profile.

Is it worth delaying ordering to wait for Bunny to compare the row 3 profiled alphas to the SA set he has already? I wouldn't mind waiting an extra couple of weeks in order to feel really good about the decision.

I wouldn't mind waiting a bit longer as well.

[Photoelectric]

It's not completely flat, just the 3 middle rows.  Also judging by responses, some people prefer it flat.  You won't know until you try it.  I don't think it will be the same as DSA necessarily.

I did say flat alphas.
Which responses are you referring too?  I would love to hear from somone who have actually typed on that profile.

I quoted one above.

Also, the Filco SA set has a flat row-3 profile for the alphas (row 2 for the number row):
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50159.msg1145536#msg1145536

and JD's been raving about it.  So like I said, definitely good to ask JD for his opinion too.

[cultofjosh]

Just paid my first ever geek hack invoice

I'm a bit torn up on the whole profile thing. On one hand, I would love to try a standard SA profile since I've never used keycaps like this before. On the other hand, my initial interest in these keycaps was for the ergodox kit I ordered and it sounds like all row 3 alphas are better for that? Hmm. Wish I could be of more help here. I think as long as it works well on one of my keyboards I'll be happy - methinks I'm too new at this to have any definitive preferences yet.

[mooswa]

I am not sure I follow why would all row-3 alphas be better for ergodox.

[cultofjosh]

I am not sure I follow why would all row-3 alphas be better for ergodox.

You know, I'm not 100% on that. nuclearsandwich mentioned it. Maybe ergodox users are more likely to rearrange their alphas a bit? I think most ergodox keycap addon kits are all blank because people put their modifiers in different locations.

The more I think about it, the more I want this keycap set to be ideal on a straight row keyboard, not my future ergodox. I still can't answer what ideal is - I'll have to trust others on that for now -  but I feel like the different solarized accent colors add a lot to this set. With a likely blank ergodox keycap set, I think it loses some of its charm. Maybe instead of blanks, the ergodox mods could have something really simple on them, even a simple straight line/long dash or something, to retain some of the accents. Just throwin' an idea out there...of course, I assume that would add cost, if it's even possible.

[mooswa]

I was thinking exactly the same thing - without legends it is going to loose some charm.  What about having some generic legends for ergodox modifiers?  Geek/Hack, Ergo/Dox, Left, Right, Solarized, Penumbra ...   I wouldn't mind CtrlAlt.com or BunnyLake  keys either ;-)

[Belfong]

Why not do a poll on whether people want flat vs Standard SA profile (ala Round 5). For me, I already have R4 and have an order of R5. I wouldn't mind if Penumbra is flat. That way, there is a mix of key caps to suit different mood. Since there are two running SA group buys currently, not that one has ended yet, so it makes sense to be different than to be the same.

[VesperSAINT]

I haven't tried any keycaps of this profile and would love to try regular SA profile The concept of being able to reach each keycap more efficiently at those angles is awesome Ergo clears on this thing would be amazing.

[Air tree]

If i like my ergodox alot i'm afraid i will like it so much i won't be able to enjoy topre as much since the layout will be so different

[VesperSAINT]

If i like my ergodox alot i'm afraid i will like it so much i won't be able to enjoy topre as much since the layout will be so different

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I'd watch out because I know there are a few people who sold all their keyboards but their ergo dox because they got too used to the ergo dox layout, and couldn't go back to standard layout.

[Air tree]

If i like my ergodox alot i'm afraid i will like it so much i won't be able to enjoy topre as much since the layout will be so different

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I'd watch out because I know there are a few people who sold all their keyboards but their ergo dox because they got too used to the ergo dox layout, and couldn't go back to standard layout.

Well the ergodox will be my first mechanical keyboard. So i have no others to sell. After i get my ergodox the only keyboards i want to try are Topre keyboards, Maybe a model m/f.

I hope i can be one of those people who have a topre board  and a ergodox and can use both. But if i don't and i love the ergodox too much i guess it's meant to be.
 

[VesperSAINT]

If i like my ergodox alot i'm afraid i will like it so much i won't be able to enjoy topre as much since the layout will be so different

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I'd watch out because I know there are a few people who sold all their keyboards but their ergo dox because they got too used to the ergo dox layout, and couldn't go back to standard layout.

Well the ergodox will be my first mechanical keyboard. So i have no others to sell. After i get my ergodox the only keyboards i want to try are Topre keyboards, Maybe a model m/f.

I hope i can be one of those people who have a topre board  and a ergodox and can use both. But if i don't and i love the ergodox too much i guess it's meant to be.

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Can't argue that I'll look forward to seeing what you end up with.

[Air tree]

If i like my ergodox alot i'm afraid i will like it so much i won't be able to enjoy topre as much since the layout will be so different

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I'd watch out because I know there are a few people who sold all their keyboards but their ergo dox because they got too used to the ergo dox layout, and couldn't go back to standard layout.

Well the ergodox will be my first mechanical keyboard. So i have no others to sell. After i get my ergodox the only keyboards i want to try are Topre keyboards, Maybe a model m/f.

I hope i can be one of those people who have a topre board  and a ergodox and can use both. But if i don't and i love the ergodox too much i guess it's meant to be.

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Can't argue that I'll look forward to seeing what you end up with.

I heard lubed ergo clears are the god tier of Mx switches so i guess that's what i'm going to do with my Dox.

[stoic-lemon]

Finally paid

[argyakrivos]

Hey BunnyLake,

I thought your store was based in the UK (?). I tried to order but there is only CONUS and International shipping method and international costs $15.

I just thought, if the store was in fact based in the UK, delivery to the UK would be cheaper. Am I assuming wrong?

[cookiesowns]

Damn wallet hack.

Order placed.

[BunnyLake]

Hey BunnyLake,

I thought your store was based in the UK (?). I tried to order but there is only CONUS and International shipping method and international costs $15.

I just thought, if the store was in fact based in the UK, delivery to the UK would be cheaper. Am I assuming wrong?

this isnt being sold through the store sadly, it is a gb and it will be delivered to a US address, i am indeed based in the UK and will be sending out uk and eu orders, but in order to get those orders to the UK, i have to pay shipping from the US to US proxy. US proxy to UK, some VAT charges, and then shipping from the UK to you

[argyakrivos]

Hey BunnyLake,

I thought your store was based in the UK (?). I tried to order but there is only CONUS and International shipping method and international costs $15.

I just thought, if the store was in fact based in the UK, delivery to the UK would be cheaper. Am I assuming wrong?

this isnt being sold through the store sadly, it is a gb and it will be delivered to a US address, i am indeed based in the UK and will be sending out uk and eu orders, but in order to get those orders to the UK, i have to pay shipping from the US to US proxy. US proxy to UK, some VAT charges, and then shipping from the UK to you

Ah I see, makes sense then. Just ordered

[Matt3o]

this is seriously one of the best color scheme I've seen so far (after DSA retro of course ). unfortunately it collides with Round 5 otherwise I would have taken right away.

[Elrick]

this is seriously one of the best color scheme I've seen so far (after DSA retro of course ). unfortunately it collides with Round 5 otherwise I would have taken right away.

YES totally agree it collides with Round 5 and this will hurt towards 2014.  Although I bought into both, the vast amount of money spent thus far - is currently top secret, concerning my mrs.

Hopefully she will never find out.........