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Title: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 13 August 2019, 22:52:21
GB thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102180.0 (LIVE)

I've been wanting an Alice style board for a while and couldn't find one with a layout I like, the Arisu board was close, so I've modified it to add some additional features and modified the case design for it.  Additions to the original Arisu PCB include adding USB-C, 3 indicator LEDs, an RGB strip header, and some extra keys (including an option for split or 2u backspace), as well as some general routing and component cleanup.

I figured since I'm going to be ordering a few, I'd see who else is interested in a board while I'm placing the orders.  PCB will come with SMD assembly done, just solder in switches and add stabilizers and keycaps.  This IC will be pretty fast, just want to get an idea of how many are interested, likely a week or two till it moves to GB.  Timeline would be shipping 2-3 months after GB close.  I've done a few of these and so far, they've gone pretty smoothly, so lets go! 

Please fill out my IC form here: https://forms.gle/evcYXP88idEHujK36

 Final price will probably be $115 USD for a complete kit or $45 for just a PCB
US shipping will be approximately $15, Canada $25, other international $35 (it's about 2.5 lbs)  Approximately half those prices for just a PCB shipping.

I have the completed and working prototypes on hand and have confirmed that the board and firmware work fine. Photos below are hardwired due to the USB port being backordered, the final version will have a USBC port on the board.

(https://i.imgur.com/l9KsdSo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9qQDtCH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/epLz4zt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6RMNn0A.jpg)

Veneer option, in cherry
(https://i.imgur.com/9lsQDLf.jpg)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: bisoromi on Tue, 13 August 2019, 22:54:18
glwic
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 13 August 2019, 23:15:42
Very cool! Good luck worldspawn, this'll kill like everything you do, no doubt  ;D
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Dovan1405 on Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:32:45
Filled for pcb. Would be interested in your files for the case so we can cut them in our own desired materials and so on.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: hillmu on Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:38:44
Looks great

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:44:36
Filled for pcb. Would be interested in your files for the case so we can cut them in our own desired materials and so on.

Yeah, I can share the case files once the GB is closed, and I can ship to US proxies.  PCB only shipping would also be a fair bit cheaper than the kit since it's probably less than 8oz, should put international shipping at $13
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Dovan1405 on Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:47:09
Filled for pcb. Would be interested in your files for the case so we can cut them in our own desired materials and so on.

Yeah, I can share the case files once the GB is closed, and I can ship to US proxies.  PCB only shipping would also be a fair bit cheaper than the kit since it's probably less than 8oz, should put international shipping at $13

All of that sounds amazing. Cant wait!!!


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Wed, 14 August 2019, 01:35:51
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: hanyazou on Wed, 14 August 2019, 02:26:13
I'm sorry for not talking about GB, but could you tell me what is the keycap in the 3rd image?
It is very attractive.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Protein on Wed, 14 August 2019, 03:04:30
I'm in for one!  ;D What are the plate options?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 14 August 2019, 03:09:05
looks great! reminds me of the Wolfmark WM1
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: SteffeMK on Wed, 14 August 2019, 04:10:46
Filled out the form, really interested in this!

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: nappis on Wed, 14 August 2019, 04:36:02
While at it remove extra b key and move 6 key to right hand side where it belongs.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 14 August 2019, 06:00:37
While at it remove extra b key and move 6 key to right hand side where it belongs.

No :P

I'd say that the 6 is one of those keys, just like the B, that some people press with left hand and some with right hand. I usually see both of them on left sides of the keyboard though.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: x86ect on Wed, 14 August 2019, 06:34:29
I'm sorry for not talking about GB, but could you tell me what is the keycap in the 3rd image?
It is very attractive.

Looks like MT3 Godspeed
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: SteffeMK on Wed, 14 August 2019, 06:44:35
I'm sorry for not talking about GB, but could you tell me what is the keycap in the 3rd image?
It is very attractive.


It's MT3 godspeed

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:02:17
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:06:42
cute
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: hansikhouse on Wed, 14 August 2019, 10:08:40
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 10:51:53
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: hansikhouse on Wed, 14 August 2019, 11:49:44
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.

Superb. Updated my form, was hoping for white POM but would be down for black as well.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Protein on Wed, 14 August 2019, 11:54:55
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:24:33
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?

No, standard is acrylic.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:27:58
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.

Superb. Updated my form, was hoping for white POM but would be down for black as well.

POM doesn't come with protective film like acrylic and some other plastics do, the white requires either addition of film, or cleaning after cutting to remove the staining from the cut process, and that adds considerable processing time, so I generally try to avoid white. 
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Protein on Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:32:27
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?

No, standard is acrylic.

Sorry I meant the plate. But if all the rave about pom on pom being true.. I can't wait
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: ppnp253 on Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:38:32
Is there an official name for this keyboard?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:40:36
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?

No, standard is acrylic.

Sorry I meant the plate. But if all the rave about pom on pom being true.. I can't wait

Yes, the standard plate is also acrylic.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:41:49
Is there an official name for this keyboard?

It's a modified Arisu, so like, Arisu 2.0 or something :)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: BrutalBanana on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:27:31
You could call it something like Alicesu or something similar  :D
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: hansikhouse on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:40:55
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.

Superb. Updated my form, was hoping for white POM but would be down for black as well.

POM doesn't come with protective film like acrylic and some other plastics do, the white requires either addition of film, or cleaning after cutting to remove the staining from the cut process, and that adds considerable processing time, so I generally try to avoid white.

Gotcha, thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: skrunk on Wed, 14 August 2019, 16:58:53
Very interested! :thumb:
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 14 August 2019, 19:19:48
Some photos of an example of the veneer option, this one is cherry, but other woods are avaialble.

(https://i.imgur.com/9lsQDLf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iSOZ3zJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hJwEihn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2E8lqWI.jpg)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 14 August 2019, 22:03:50
im back and forth on these dovetail blockers
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Poblopuablo on Thu, 15 August 2019, 08:09:22
Name idea: Arrolice (arrow Alice) I know it sounds like it's the opposite (arrow-less) but just an idea.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:28:05
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Some photos of an example of the veneer option, this one is cherry, but other woods are avaialble.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9lsQDLf.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/iSOZ3zJ.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hJwEihn.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/2E8lqWI.jpg)


I'm digging the pattern, but I'm a fan of darker wood. Black wood would go with my desk haha
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Fri, 16 August 2019, 11:19:46
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Some photos of an example of the veneer option, this one is cherry, but other woods are avaialble.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9lsQDLf.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/iSOZ3zJ.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hJwEihn.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/2E8lqWI.jpg)


I'm digging the pattern, but I'm a fan of darker wood. Black wood would go with my desk haha

You can always stain the wood to your preference.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: ppnp253 on Fri, 16 August 2019, 15:10:25
Will the keyboard be QMK configurable?
Also what do the indicator lights indicates? Or is that configurable too?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Fri, 16 August 2019, 15:13:53
Will the keyboard be QMK configurable?
Also what do the indicator lights indicates? Or is that configurable too?

Yes, QMK compatible, and I already have QMK firmware written for it, LEDs are configurable in QMK as well
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: ppnp253 on Fri, 16 August 2019, 17:17:28
Will the keyboard be QMK configurable?
Also what do the indicator lights indicates? Or is that configurable too?

Yes, QMK compatible, and I already have QMK firmware written for it, LEDs are configurable in QMK as well

Cool! Definitely in for this!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:56:54
Allready filled out my form. In for a case + PCB


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:58:28
Also Is the hardware used to screw the case together final?


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Fri, 16 August 2019, 19:00:29
Also Is the hardware used to screw the case together final?


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It's what will come with it, but it's standard M3 so feel free to swap it out with whatever you prefer.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Fri, 16 August 2019, 21:30:35
What length? Thinking about getting some acrylic screws for it and countersinking them to hide them in the case :)


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Fri, 16 August 2019, 21:44:47
What length? Thinking about getting some acrylic screws for it and countersinking them to hide them in the case :)


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There will be 2x3mm bezel layers in the design with a hex standoff just below, probably 8-10mm should work fine.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Fri, 16 August 2019, 22:44:19
thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Poblopuablo on Mon, 19 August 2019, 18:51:11
Other name suggestion could be Da'Licearrow  :) (looks like the Alice arrow, but pronounced Da-lis-a-row)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Tue, 20 August 2019, 00:01:13
When is this happening :)


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 20 August 2019, 00:33:50
When is this happening :)


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Soon!  I'm finalizing some stuff with my PCB manufacturer with the silkscreen, hopefully some interesting stuff coming in the next couple days.  Plan is to go live with the GB next week.

A few answers to questions from the form:

>Is there anyway of having a stepped caps locks?
Yes, stepped caps has been added to the PCB options

>Will the final kit be hotswappable?
No, it will remain solder only, though you CAN use millmax 7305 sockets with it to make it hotswap yourself

>Would there be an option for a wrist rest?
Sorry, you're on your own here, I think that the angle is similar enough to the Alice to use a rest intended for it.

>maybe see aluminum in the future?
Possibly, I have contacts with a factory that could do the work, but I'd probably need some assistance with the CAD design, we'll see

>could you add led support?
It has underglow support via an RGB strip header, but I do not plan on adding per-key at this time

>pre-built option?
PM me and we can talk about assembly, really, the only thing you have to do is solder the switches in, the PCB is assembled.

>Is it possible to see more examples of all the different case colors?
I'll try to get a case cut in the clear and frosted material soon for comparison!

Plate options: default is matching acrylic (included with the case), there will also be a black POM option, as well as the option for additional plates for $20(acrylic) or $25(POM).

Thanks everyone for your interest so far!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 20 August 2019, 00:51:51
The bottom includes 2x 4mm holes for standard cone feet if you prefer an angle.
(https://i.imgur.com/HQOsUIn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pKK3nYi.jpg)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Ahngel on Tue, 20 August 2019, 01:04:33
Sign me up for the mom board!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: saesh on Tue, 20 August 2019, 01:19:03
Kudos to you for making this! I am definitely in!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Protein on Tue, 20 August 2019, 02:02:00
I've been refreshing the page constantly the past few days. I'm excited for this. Only question is what kind of switches do I put in it? ha ;D
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: saesh on Tue, 20 August 2019, 02:09:40
Only question is what kind of switches do I put in it? ha ;D

Gateron Yellows.  ^-^
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: SteffeMK on Tue, 20 August 2019, 07:50:45
Can you make the PCB ISO compatible?

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Tue, 20 August 2019, 09:09:03
Form filled. Definitely down for a kit plus an extra PCB. Thank you for setting this up.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Tue, 20 August 2019, 22:08:15
Hypothetically could I use the Arisu top layer with your PCB and case?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 20 August 2019, 22:47:44
Hypothetically could I use the Arisu top layer with your PCB and case?

 I didn't change the board or case outer dimensions, but the bottom row has been slightly modified, you'd need to make small changes to the cutouts on the far left side where I swapped the 1.5 for  2x 1.25s, other than that, it's just leaving the rest of the locations unpopulated.

EDIT, I'll throw in the footprint option for the original 1.5 on that side so if you want to go full original Arisu layout, you may do so.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 20 August 2019, 22:54:31
Can you make the PCB ISO compatible?

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No, as the right edge of the ANSI enter and pipe key are not aligned, it is not possible to add ISO support.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 20 August 2019, 23:02:04
Board name is now GOTHIC70

Silk art has been added, looks like fab can do matte black soldermask and red silk.

(https://i.imgur.com/SPxrVFu.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5mF3WeT.png)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Tue, 20 August 2019, 23:05:51
So i’ll be able to do either 1.5 or 2x1.25 ? And then I can just modify the plate and top layer basically


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Tue, 20 August 2019, 23:06:26
That PCB mask looks amazing btw


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 20 August 2019, 23:07:42
So i’ll be able to do either 1.5 or 2x1.25 ? And then I can just modify the plate and top layer basically


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Correct, left justified 1.5, or a pair of 1.25s that fill the blocker area.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: SteffeMK on Tue, 20 August 2019, 23:26:33
Can you make the PCB ISO compatible?

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No, as the right edge of the ANSI enter and pipe key are not aligned, it is not possible to add ISO support.
Ah, I see what you mean, that's too bad. Still joining because I always wanted this layout.

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: TheDeske on Thu, 22 August 2019, 00:07:38
Any idea on when you would be able to run this?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: trabbit on Thu, 22 August 2019, 00:32:05
Amazing kit! Nice job done!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Thu, 22 August 2019, 10:15:06
Any idea on when you would be able to run this?

I believe my plan is to go live with the GB next week, and it will be open for 2 weeks or until it hits 100 boards, if there's a lot more interest, I'll probably run a round 2 as well a few months later.  Target is to have the R1 boards done and shipped in october/november.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Thu, 22 August 2019, 10:34:08
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Any idea on when you would be able to run this?

I believe my plan is to go live with the GB next week, and it will be open for 2 weeks or until it hits 100 boards, if there's a lot more interest, I'll probably run a round 2 as well a few months later.  Target is to have the R1 boards done and shipped in october/november.

Count me in. Everything is looking great! Thank you for putting time and effort into this :thumb:
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: TheDeske on Thu, 22 August 2019, 12:42:13
Super hyped now for the GB. What vendors do you have planned?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: saesh on Thu, 22 August 2019, 14:08:32
Can someone please enlighten me what POM is and why I would want it over an acrylic case? Sorry, total noob as far as materials go.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Thu, 22 August 2019, 14:55:37
>Can someone please enlighten me what POM is and why I would want it over an acrylic case?

POM is denser and softer than other polymer materials such as acrylic or polycarbonate, it tends to give both a softer typing experience and dampens noise better.

>What vendors do you have planned?

I sell through my own storefront on Etsy (yeah I know, but it's an easy to use platform that has good payment processing options)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: saesh on Fri, 23 August 2019, 01:49:33
>Can someone please enlighten me what POM is and why I would want it over an acrylic case?

POM is denser and softer than other polymer materials such as acrylic or polycarbonate, it tends to give both a softer typing experience and dampens noise better.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: EMC Labs on Fri, 23 August 2019, 02:19:26
Woah, price is lower than I had expected. Design is great as well.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: SteffeMK on Fri, 23 August 2019, 03:01:09
What sizes are the bottom row keys?

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Fri, 23 August 2019, 07:26:45
What sizes are the bottom row keys?

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2x 1.25, 1.5, 2.0, 1.0 - 2.75, 1.5, 1.25 then 1u arrow keys
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:15:49
Can't pass on this with that price  :eek:
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Mon, 26 August 2019, 21:32:29
GB is live as soon as the thread is approved by the mods here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102180.0
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: guptaji on Mon, 26 August 2019, 22:56:01
Amazing kit, and the mask looks so good. It's also quite affordable, so yeah, this is definitely a must-have
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Tue, 27 August 2019, 08:15:54
GB is live as soon as the thread is approved by the mods here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102180.0

Mods must be sleeping still haha

Ready to throw my money at it  :thumb:
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 27 August 2019, 09:55:42
Since the GB thread is not up I have a couple of questions for here. How many layers is the case made of and what thickness? I assume the plate layer is 1.5mm. I am thinking about going POM, are there any pics of what the black pom looks like?

Edit: Ok so I see on etsy its listed as 3mm plate. Is there a way to prevent the plate from sliding down the switches since they don't clip in?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:19:33
Since the GB thread is not up I have a couple of questions for here. How many layers is the case made of and what thickness? I assume the plate layer is 1.5mm. I am thinking about going POM, are there any pics of what the black pom looks like?

Edit: Ok so I see on etsy its listed as 3mm plate. Is there a way to prevent the plate from sliding down the switches since they don't clip in?

Correct, layers are all 3mm, best way to keep the switches seated is to add the plate foam, it takes up the remaining 2mm of space and prevents the switches from sliding up.

Black POM looks almost exactly like black acrylic except it's going to be slightly less glossy and probably have small scratches on it, POM does not come with protective paper on it, so it frequently has small scratches from the factory.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:24:05
Since the GB thread is not up I have a couple of questions for here. How many layers is the case made of and what thickness? I assume the plate layer is 1.5mm. I am thinking about going POM, are there any pics of what the black pom looks like?

Edit: Ok so I see on etsy its listed as 3mm plate. Is there a way to prevent the plate from sliding down the switches since they don't clip in?

Correct, layers are all 3mm, best way to keep the switches seated is to add the plate foam, it takes up the remaining 2mm of space and prevents the switches from sliding up.

Black POM looks almost exactly like black acrylic except it's going to be slightly less glossy and probably have small scratches on it, POM does not come with protective paper on it, so it frequently has small scratches from the factory.

Ok good to know on the foam I will be sure to add that as well. I will be doing pom plate, but I am in between doing pom or acrylic for the rest of the case.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Tue, 27 August 2019, 11:02:27
If I select top frosted black and the bottom frosted clear (for RBG diffusion, although RGB is meh, but if it's there...) how many layers is each?
As for the plate, with a black top, I'm assuming best go with black plate?

Also, I'm from Canada, what's you experience with customs? Do you label it as "DIY kit" I don't know if that would change anything..

Thanks!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 11:23:36
If I select top frosted black and the bottom frosted clear (for RBG diffusion, although RGB is meh, but if it's there...) how many layers is each?
As for the plate, with a black top, I'm assuming best go with black plate?

Also, I'm from Canada, what's you experience with customs? Do you label it as "DIY kit" I don't know if that would change anything..

Thanks!

 The frosted layers will replace the one top or bottom layer of the case, the total case layers with plate is 6, there will still be just 6 layers in the package with the options.  Yes, best to select the matching color plate, unless you want a visible stripe in the case edge, which some people may want.

I label international packages as a 'keyboard kit' and list wholesale value, customs is not usually an issue.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 11:39:57
Certainly interested. Always wanted an Alice, but didn't have the cash to spend on it when it first IC'd
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 27 August 2019, 12:45:21
Since the GB thread is not up I have a couple of questions for here. How many layers is the case made of and what thickness? I assume the plate layer is 1.5mm. I am thinking about going POM, are there any pics of what the black pom looks like?

Edit: Ok so I see on etsy its listed as 3mm plate. Is there a way to prevent the plate from sliding down the switches since they don't clip in?

Correct, layers are all 3mm, best way to keep the switches seated is to add the plate foam, it takes up the remaining 2mm of space and prevents the switches from sliding up.

Black POM looks almost exactly like black acrylic except it's going to be slightly less glossy and probably have small scratches on it, POM does not come with protective paper on it, so it frequently has small scratches from the factory.

Does the plate support switchtop opening at 3mm/foam?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 12:47:07
Since the GB thread is not up I have a couple of questions for here. How many layers is the case made of and what thickness? I assume the plate layer is 1.5mm. I am thinking about going POM, are there any pics of what the black pom looks like?

Edit: Ok so I see on etsy its listed as 3mm plate. Is there a way to prevent the plate from sliding down the switches since they don't clip in?

Correct, layers are all 3mm, best way to keep the switches seated is to add the plate foam, it takes up the remaining 2mm of space and prevents the switches from sliding up.

Black POM looks almost exactly like black acrylic except it's going to be slightly less glossy and probably have small scratches on it, POM does not come with protective paper on it, so it frequently has small scratches from the factory.

Does the plate support switchtop opening at 3mm/foam?

Yes, I have the switchtop opening cutouts on the acrylic, and the foam does not interfere.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Tue, 27 August 2019, 12:50:01
Since the GB thread is not up I have a couple of questions for here. How many layers is the case made of and what thickness? I assume the plate layer is 1.5mm. I am thinking about going POM, are there any pics of what the black pom looks like?

Edit: Ok so I see on etsy its listed as 3mm plate. Is there a way to prevent the plate from sliding down the switches since they don't clip in?

Correct, layers are all 3mm, best way to keep the switches seated is to add the plate foam, it takes up the remaining 2mm of space and prevents the switches from sliding up.

Black POM looks almost exactly like black acrylic except it's going to be slightly less glossy and probably have small scratches on it, POM does not come with protective paper on it, so it frequently has small scratches from the factory.

Does the plate support switchtop opening at 3mm/foam?

Yes, I have the switchtop opening cutouts on the acrylic, and the foam does not interfere.
Pom as well I assume?

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 12:52:28
Since the GB thread is not up I have a couple of questions for here. How many layers is the case made of and what thickness? I assume the plate layer is 1.5mm. I am thinking about going POM, are there any pics of what the black pom looks like?

Edit: Ok so I see on etsy its listed as 3mm plate. Is there a way to prevent the plate from sliding down the switches since they don't clip in?

Correct, layers are all 3mm, best way to keep the switches seated is to add the plate foam, it takes up the remaining 2mm of space and prevents the switches from sliding up.

Black POM looks almost exactly like black acrylic except it's going to be slightly less glossy and probably have small scratches on it, POM does not come with protective paper on it, so it frequently has small scratches from the factory.

Does the plate support switchtop opening at 3mm/foam?

Yes, I have the switchtop opening cutouts on the acrylic, and the foam does not interfere.
Pom as well I assume?

Correct, POM and acrylic use the same design.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Tue, 27 August 2019, 13:15:14
Thanks for all the replies! Last one ( I think!) I just had a look at the PCB again. Are the LEDs are SMD? I know it says
Quote
PCB will come with SMD assembly done, just solder in switches and add stabilizers and keycaps.
however I just wanted to clarify.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 13:23:07
Thanks for all the replies! Last one ( I think!) I just had a look at the PCB again. Are the LEDs are SMD? I know it says
Quote
PCB will come with SMD assembly done, just solder in switches and add stabilizers and keycaps.
however I just wanted to clarify.

The indicator LEDs will come soldered (white LEDs), the underglow is via an RGB strip header and is not included.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Tue, 27 August 2019, 13:31:35
Thanks for all the replies! Last one ( I think!) I just had a look at the PCB again. Are the LEDs are SMD? I know it says
Quote
PCB will come with SMD assembly done, just solder in switches and add stabilizers and keycaps.
however I just wanted to clarify.

The indicator LEDs will come soldered (white LEDs), the underglow is via an RGB strip header and is not included.
Thanks! I apologize for my lack of clarity! I meant the indicators. Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: ppnp253 on Tue, 27 August 2019, 13:52:27
Do you have any sample images of the black frost acrylic?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 14:00:47
Do you have any sample images of the black frost acrylic?

The photo in the OP is of the frosted black

(https://i.imgur.com/9qQDtCH.jpg)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: TheDeske on Tue, 27 August 2019, 14:14:00
Are there any photos of the black pom case?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 14:26:17
Black POM does not look significantly different from black acrylic. The outside cut edges will look the same, the surface will not be glossy and may have surface scratches as POM is not covered with protective paper like Acrylic is and usually shows some minor defects from the factory, the surface will look similar to this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Zitca0E.jpg)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Tue, 27 August 2019, 19:00:16
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Tue, 27 August 2019, 21:24:44
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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My guess is the mods missed it. I ended up just buying it as well instead of waiting
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 21:26:36
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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My guess is the mods missed it. I ended up just buying it as well instead of waiting

it would appear the mods haven't been online in the last 36 hours...
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: urbantheii on Tue, 27 August 2019, 21:38:16
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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My guess is the mods missed it. I ended up just buying it as well instead of waiting

How did you already buy it? Link?
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Tue, 27 August 2019, 21:53:42
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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My guess is the mods missed it. I ended up just buying it as well instead of waiting

How did you already buy it? Link?
He mentioned he was using Etsy to sell. I googled Etsy gothic70. When I bought it Esty wouldn't shut up about how 20 other people had this in their cart lol and that I had to hurry. I hate pressure tactics!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/WorldspawnsKeebs?listing_id=689561858

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 22:15:18
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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My guess is the mods missed it. I ended up just buying it as well instead of waiting

How did you already buy it? Link?
He mentioned he was using Etsy to sell. I googled Etsy gothic70. When I bought it Esty wouldn't shut up about how 20 other people had this in their cart lol and that I had to hurry. I hate pressure tactics!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/WorldspawnsKeebs?listing_id=689561858

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Lol, sorry about the Etsy stuff, no way for me to turn it off  :-X

make sure to get all 3 parts!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Tue, 27 August 2019, 22:30:50
If I choose an acrylic case and a white POM plate, any ideas how that would look like aesthetically? I thinking that the white plate would stand out.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Tue, 27 August 2019, 23:24:49
If I choose an acrylic case and a white POM plate, any ideas how that would look like aesthetically? I thinking that the white plate would stand out.

it will blend in with the white acrylic, and would appear as a stripe on the edge in other colors.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: t8c on Wed, 28 August 2019, 00:54:25
Ordered, looking forward to it! :)
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: SteffeMK on Wed, 28 August 2019, 02:26:42
Ordered an all-clear acrylic, can't wait until it gets here!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Wed, 28 August 2019, 09:02:53
More
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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My guess is the mods missed it. I ended up just buying it as well instead of waiting

it would appear the mods haven't been online in the last 36 hours...
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Looks like they still haven't been on. Just change the title from IC to GB at this point  :))
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: Poblopuablo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 09:12:53
Is there a max qty on this board. Hoping to buy Friday, but don't want to miss it.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Wed, 28 August 2019, 09:35:02
Is there a max qty on this board. Hoping to buy Friday, but don't want to miss it.

Yes, there's a limit of 100, there's at least 70 left right now.

Also, GB thread is live!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: Poblopuablo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 09:47:33
So sad, I want the black pom(upgraded price I can't afford The moment), but don't get paid until Friday. I'm pretty sure I'll end up missing this :(
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Wed, 28 August 2019, 10:43:05
I have already bought but am curious as to why the GB post hadn't been approved yet?


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My guess is the mods missed it. I ended up just buying it as well instead of waiting

How did you already buy it? Link?
He mentioned he was using Etsy to sell. I googled Etsy gothic70. When I bought it Esty wouldn't shut up about how 20 other people had this in their cart lol and that I had to hurry. I hate pressure tactics!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/WorldspawnsKeebs?listing_id=689561858

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Lol, sorry about the Etsy stuff, no way for me to turn it off  :-X

make sure to get all 3 parts!
No worries! It was a comment about Etsy, not you! Keep up the good work! I can't wait! Ordered full frost acrylic with white pom :D

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Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: saesh on Fri, 30 August 2019, 15:33:01
>Will the final kit be hotswappable?
No, it will remain solder only, though you CAN use millmax 7305 sockets with it to make it hotswap yourself

Do you know if Mill-Max 0305 would also work? I can't seem to get 7305s in Europe for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 30 August 2019, 15:34:59
So sad, I want the black pom(upgraded price I can't afford The moment), but don't get paid until Friday. I'm pretty sure I'll end up missing this :(

Get a credit card bruv
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: worldspawn on Fri, 30 August 2019, 15:40:20
>Will the final kit be hotswappable?
No, it will remain solder only, though you CAN use millmax 7305 sockets with it to make it hotswap yourself

Do you know if Mill-Max 0305 would also work? I can't seem to get 7305s in Europe for a reasonable price.

They should work OK, they're longer and stick up more from the top of the board, but I don't think that should cause any issues with the design, you may need to put some foam or something on both sides of the PCB to keep it from moving around with the sockets since it isn't designed for hotswap.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
Post by: saesh on Fri, 30 August 2019, 16:17:19
>Will the final kit be hotswappable?
No, it will remain solder only, though you CAN use millmax 7305 sockets with it to make it hotswap yourself

Do you know if Mill-Max 0305 would also work? I can't seem to get 7305s in Europe for a reasonable price.

They should work OK, they're longer and stick up more from the top of the board, but I don't think that should cause any issues with the design, you may need to put some foam or something on both sides of the PCB to keep it from moving around with the sockets since it isn't designed for hotswap.

Alright, thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: myflowsocold on Mon, 11 May 2020, 22:28:00
Hi Anyone know if I can still purchase a spare PCB? Just bought a gothic 70 second hand and would love to have a spare one. Thanks!
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: worldspawn on Mon, 11 May 2020, 23:14:48
I'll be selling the extra PCBs once the GB orders ship.
Title: Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
Post by: myflowsocold on Wed, 13 May 2020, 10:31:58
I'll be selling the extra PCBs once the GB orders ship.
Awesome! Thank you! I'll keep an eye out on this thread


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