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Offline worldspawn

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Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC (GOTHIC70)
« on: Tue, 13 August 2019, 22:52:21 »
GB thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102180.0 (LIVE)

I've been wanting an Alice style board for a while and couldn't find one with a layout I like, the Arisu board was close, so I've modified it to add some additional features and modified the case design for it.  Additions to the original Arisu PCB include adding USB-C, 3 indicator LEDs, an RGB strip header, and some extra keys (including an option for split or 2u backspace), as well as some general routing and component cleanup.

I figured since I'm going to be ordering a few, I'd see who else is interested in a board while I'm placing the orders.  PCB will come with SMD assembly done, just solder in switches and add stabilizers and keycaps.  This IC will be pretty fast, just want to get an idea of how many are interested, likely a week or two till it moves to GB.  Timeline would be shipping 2-3 months after GB close.  I've done a few of these and so far, they've gone pretty smoothly, so lets go! 

Please fill out my IC form here: https://forms.gle/evcYXP88idEHujK36

 Final price will probably be $115 USD for a complete kit or $45 for just a PCB
US shipping will be approximately $15, Canada $25, other international $35 (it's about 2.5 lbs)  Approximately half those prices for just a PCB shipping.

I have the completed and working prototypes on hand and have confirmed that the board and firmware work fine. Photos below are hardwired due to the USB port being backordered, the final version will have a USBC port on the board.









Veneer option, in cherry

« Last Edit: Wed, 28 August 2019, 09:35:19 by worldspawn »
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 13 August 2019, 22:54:18 »
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 13 August 2019, 23:15:42 »
Very cool! Good luck worldspawn, this'll kill like everything you do, no doubt  ;D

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:32:45 »
Filled for pcb. Would be interested in your files for the case so we can cut them in our own desired materials and so on.

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:38:44 »
Looks great

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:44:36 »
Filled for pcb. Would be interested in your files for the case so we can cut them in our own desired materials and so on.

Yeah, I can share the case files once the GB is closed, and I can ship to US proxies.  PCB only shipping would also be a fair bit cheaper than the kit since it's probably less than 8oz, should put international shipping at $13
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 00:47:09 »
Filled for pcb. Would be interested in your files for the case so we can cut them in our own desired materials and so on.

Yeah, I can share the case files once the GB is closed, and I can ship to US proxies.  PCB only shipping would also be a fair bit cheaper than the kit since it's probably less than 8oz, should put international shipping at $13

All of that sounds amazing. Cant wait!!!


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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 01:35:51 »
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 02:26:13 »
I'm sorry for not talking about GB, but could you tell me what is the keycap in the 3rd image?
It is very attractive.

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 03:04:30 »
I'm in for one!  ;D What are the plate options?

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 03:09:05 »
looks great! reminds me of the Wolfmark WM1
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 04:10:46 »
Filled out the form, really interested in this!

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 04:36:02 »
While at it remove extra b key and move 6 key to right hand side where it belongs.

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 06:00:37 »
While at it remove extra b key and move 6 key to right hand side where it belongs.

No :P

I'd say that the 6 is one of those keys, just like the B, that some people press with left hand and some with right hand. I usually see both of them on left sides of the keyboard though.

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 06:34:29 »
I'm sorry for not talking about GB, but could you tell me what is the keycap in the 3rd image?
It is very attractive.

Looks like MT3 Godspeed
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 06:44:35 »
I'm sorry for not talking about GB, but could you tell me what is the keycap in the 3rd image?
It is very attractive.


It's MT3 godspeed

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:02:17 »
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.
I can make acrylic laser cut cases/plates PM for info

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:06:42 »
cute

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 10:08:40 »
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 August 2019, 10:41:05 by hansikhouse »

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 10:51:53 »
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 August 2019, 11:15:02 by worldspawn »
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 11:49:44 »
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.

Superb. Updated my form, was hoping for white POM but would be down for black as well.

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 11:54:55 »
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?

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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:24:33 »
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?

No, standard is acrylic.
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:27:58 »
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.

Superb. Updated my form, was hoping for white POM but would be down for black as well.

POM doesn't come with protective film like acrylic and some other plastics do, the white requires either addition of film, or cleaning after cutting to remove the staining from the cut process, and that adds considerable processing time, so I generally try to avoid white. 
I can make acrylic laser cut cases/plates PM for info

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:32:27 »
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?

No, standard is acrylic.

Sorry I meant the plate. But if all the rave about pom on pom being true.. I can't wait

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:38:32 »
Is there an official name for this keyboard?

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:40:36 »
I just updated my form as well. Is the standard version brass?

No, standard is acrylic.

Sorry I meant the plate. But if all the rave about pom on pom being true.. I can't wait

Yes, the standard plate is also acrylic.
I can make acrylic laser cut cases/plates PM for info

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:41:49 »
Is there an official name for this keyboard?

It's a modified Arisu, so like, Arisu 2.0 or something :)
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:27:31 »
You could call it something like Alicesu or something similar  :D

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:40:55 »
Looking good. Plate options would be nice, but if you're going to make the files available, we could have our own made

I will likely offer a POM upgrade option, but other materials would be up to the end user.

Just filled out the IC! Any potential for a full POM case?

Yeah, if there's interest, I could do a full POM case for a $25 upgrade, POM plate would likely be a $5 upgrade, there may be small surface defects/scratches in the POM as it does not come with protective film like acrylic does.

Added a full POM option to the IC form.

Superb. Updated my form, was hoping for white POM but would be down for black as well.

POM doesn't come with protective film like acrylic and some other plastics do, the white requires either addition of film, or cleaning after cutting to remove the staining from the cut process, and that adds considerable processing time, so I generally try to avoid white.

Gotcha, thanks for the explanation!

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 16:58:53 »
Very interested! :thumb:
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 19:19:48 »
Some photos of an example of the veneer option, this one is cherry, but other woods are avaialble.







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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 22:03:50 »
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 08:09:22 »
Name idea: Arrolice (arrow Alice) I know it sounds like it's the opposite (arrow-less) but just an idea.

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:28:05 »
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Some photos of an example of the veneer option, this one is cherry, but other woods are avaialble.

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I'm digging the pattern, but I'm a fan of darker wood. Black wood would go with my desk haha

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 11:19:46 »
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Some photos of an example of the veneer option, this one is cherry, but other woods are avaialble.

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I'm digging the pattern, but I'm a fan of darker wood. Black wood would go with my desk haha

You can always stain the wood to your preference.
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 15:10:25 »
Will the keyboard be QMK configurable?
Also what do the indicator lights indicates? Or is that configurable too?

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 15:13:53 »
Will the keyboard be QMK configurable?
Also what do the indicator lights indicates? Or is that configurable too?

Yes, QMK compatible, and I already have QMK firmware written for it, LEDs are configurable in QMK as well
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 17:17:28 »
Will the keyboard be QMK configurable?
Also what do the indicator lights indicates? Or is that configurable too?

Yes, QMK compatible, and I already have QMK firmware written for it, LEDs are configurable in QMK as well

Cool! Definitely in for this!

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:56:54 »
Allready filled out my form. In for a case + PCB


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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:58:28 »
Also Is the hardware used to screw the case together final?


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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 19:00:29 »
Also Is the hardware used to screw the case together final?


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It's what will come with it, but it's standard M3 so feel free to swap it out with whatever you prefer.
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 21:30:35 »
What length? Thinking about getting some acrylic screws for it and countersinking them to hide them in the case :)


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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 21:44:47 »
What length? Thinking about getting some acrylic screws for it and countersinking them to hide them in the case :)


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There will be 2x3mm bezel layers in the design with a hex standoff just below, probably 8-10mm should work fine.
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 22:44:19 »
thanks for the info!

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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 18:51:11 »
Other name suggestion could be Da'Licearrow  :) (looks like the Alice arrow, but pronounced Da-lis-a-row)
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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 20 August 2019, 00:01:13 »
When is this happening :)


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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 20 August 2019, 00:33:50 »
When is this happening :)


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Soon!  I'm finalizing some stuff with my PCB manufacturer with the silkscreen, hopefully some interesting stuff coming in the next couple days.  Plan is to go live with the GB next week.

A few answers to questions from the form:

>Is there anyway of having a stepped caps locks?
Yes, stepped caps has been added to the PCB options

>Will the final kit be hotswappable?
No, it will remain solder only, though you CAN use millmax 7305 sockets with it to make it hotswap yourself

>Would there be an option for a wrist rest?
Sorry, you're on your own here, I think that the angle is similar enough to the Alice to use a rest intended for it.

>maybe see aluminum in the future?
Possibly, I have contacts with a factory that could do the work, but I'd probably need some assistance with the CAD design, we'll see

>could you add led support?
It has underglow support via an RGB strip header, but I do not plan on adding per-key at this time

>pre-built option?
PM me and we can talk about assembly, really, the only thing you have to do is solder the switches in, the PCB is assembled.

>Is it possible to see more examples of all the different case colors?
I'll try to get a case cut in the clear and frosted material soon for comparison!

Plate options: default is matching acrylic (included with the case), there will also be a black POM option, as well as the option for additional plates for $20(acrylic) or $25(POM).

Thanks everyone for your interest so far!
« Last Edit: Tue, 20 August 2019, 00:48:48 by worldspawn »
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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 20 August 2019, 00:51:51 »
The bottom includes 2x 4mm holes for standard cone feet if you prefer an angle.


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Re: Alice style keyboard with Arrows - IC
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 20 August 2019, 01:04:33 »
Sign me up for the mom board!