[IC] PuLSE SA Keyset (GET YOUR WALLET! - GB LIVE SEPT 8th 12:00 PST)

[MiTo]

Could we get an option for a regular Windows key?

Are you talking about the iconic Windows flag?

Win 8 Logo!




Also I like the idea of inverted alphas because it would look cool on the Ergodox.

I'll se what I can do with the Win8 logo. I'm waiting SP to answer my e-mail regarding how many novelties will be viable.

[Permeability]

Could we get an option for a regular Windows key?

Are you talking about the iconic Windows flag?

Yup, just as an alternative to the Pulse symbol

[ideus]

Do it DSA.

[MiTo]

Do it DSA.

I'm waiting for Melissa (SP) to answer, she were going to verify the profile possibilities for this set. I'll post her answer here as soon as I get it!

EDIT: To this set, I believe that DCS is going to be the best option. Because of the colors and the fancy/aggressive design of the keys. But it's on Melissa, we gotta wait. But you and a few others mentioned DSA so I'll definitely design a keyset for DSA. And I promess that it will look as sharp as PuLSE. Actually, it's already done, it's completely designed. It features another theme and color scheme. But I'll release it after PuLSE, most likely. I think people will love it.

[bianco]

that blue is mesmerizing.
forgive me if i missed it, but which blue are you using from the SP's palette?

It's the BBJ tone.

thank you MiTo
great choice. looking forward to this.

[MiTo]

thank you MiTo
great choice. looking forward to this.

We will do it.

[Auryon]

Diggin this a lot

[LechnerDE]

I like it, i'd definitely be in for a set of base, alpha. novelties** and tsangan
However as a nurse, I can't say i'm a fan of the pulse logo, looks a bit like right bundle branch block (works great for the set though! don't change it ^_^)
Personal preference time: DSA with centered text would look amazing in my opinion, however if I recall, not many people are fans of that.

** why is it a standard for the tilde(~) and backslash(\) keys to be part of the alpha set, it's very nonsensical, and means we have to get the extra set to get it to look nice

Because a lot of people like this look. Also, by getting the Novelty Pack, you end up with a whole buch of fancy custom keys.

First of all thanks for the detailed feedback on every reply in your thread 

Concerning the above:

I don't see why adding these two keys to the Mod Set (like in every other GB) hurts anybody. It will be like ~2$ more and everybody has a choice.

People can still get this look and simply have two spare keys. Right now all the people who prefer the symmetrical look have to get the ~30$-40$ Novelty Kit to get those 2 keys.

This might keep them from participating and contributing to MOQ!

Concerning the reverse sets: I like them as well, but I agree you would cannabalize your own GB. That's something for Round 2 if Round 1 is a success

[SpAmRaY]

When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this

[divito]

I find it very difficult to really evaluate colourways on white backgrounds so did a quick comparison mock up:

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Personally I prefer the original (top).

The blue alpha legends really pop and act as highlights whereas the concentrated blue in the Inverted scheme seems overwhelming to me.

Edit: the inverted navigation keys do look pretty sweet though ...

I prefer the top as well, but I prefer the symbols (arrows, 6-key, top 3-key) being inverted. This is where having packs in reverse would be decent option for people. But, however it's done, looks really slick as a mock-up.

[Elrick]

When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this

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Pure sex here  .

If you're going to use icons put em on all the modifiers, because you said you want to use DCS, it should be real easy for SP.

ICONS is what makes SP so unique here, hence don't be afraid to use them  .

[JinDesu]

When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this

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Yeah, this is the best looking one so far. While bright mods are nice, having reverse mod pack as an add-on could be great too.

[Hanni]

When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this

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Yeah, this is the best looking one so far. While bright mods are nice, having reverse mod pack as an add-on could be great too.

This isnt the best looking one so far. It looks like the midnight kit. Its better to focus on an idea, multiple pack will never get the MOQ.

[MiTo]

I'm posting this comment to let you guys know that I'm aware of the discussion regarding the inverted mods, icons and profile opinions. But I can't properly answer to these comments at the moment because I'm away from home and mobile sucks. Will come back tomorrow and answer every single comment as I always do. Keep bringing ideas and criticism, we will definitely make this GB happen.

[taylordcraig]

I will avoid this as DCS.
I would buy both sets [normal/inverse colors] as DoubleShot DSA or SA.
Pulse in SA gets my jimmies tingling.

[ccc24]

My vote is SA, and ergodox SA R3 modifiers would be nice as well.

[Elrick]

Pulse in SA gets my jimmies tingling.

If this could be done in SA then it goes without saying, it'll rock your goolies like nothing else can  .

Unfortunately all icons aren't available for the SA profile which is really unfortunate, hence if you want this key-set done with icons then DCS is it.

Again having this done in SA profile would make me so happy but I know from previous experience, this place isn't here for my own personnel well being.

[GSimon]

Again having this done in SA profile would make me so happy but I know from previous experience, this place isn't here for my own personnel well being.

As long as you continue to support SA, I say this place should exclusively cater to your own well being

[Dragowing193]

What would be an estimate of the set pieces' prices? I am interested but wondering if this will cost a fortune.

[taylordcraig]

is it $45 to make a new mold, even in SA? or is that only for DCS

edit: not a new mold, a new legend mold
edit for clarification

[MiTo]

I like it, i'd definitely be in for a set of base, alpha. novelties** and tsangan
However as a nurse, I can't say i'm a fan of the pulse logo, looks a bit like right bundle branch block (works great for the set though! don't change it ^_^)
Personal preference time: DSA with centered text would look amazing in my opinion, however if I recall, not many people are fans of that.

** why is it a standard for the tilde(~) and backslash(\) keys to be part of the alpha set, it's very nonsensical, and means we have to get the extra set to get it to look nice

Because a lot of people like this look. Also, by getting the Novelty Pack, you end up with a whole buch of fancy custom keys.

First of all thanks for the detailed feedback on every reply in your thread 

Concerning the above:

I don't see why adding these two keys to the Mod Set (like in every other GB) hurts anybody. It will be like ~2$ more and everybody has a choice.

People can still get this look and simply have two spare keys. Right now all the people who prefer the symmetrical look have to get the ~30$-40$ Novelty Kit to get those 2 keys.

This might keep them from participating and contributing to MOQ!

Concerning the reverse sets: I like them as well, but I agree you would cannabalize your own GB. That's something for Round 2 if Round 1 is a success

I'm back home! Yes, I agree with everything you said. We can't make these reverted options in the way people suggested because it would conflict with the main color scheme MOQ. However, I'm willing to add inverted arrows and inverted WASD keys in two extra packs. Check OP soon because I'll update the main album. I'm talking to Melissa about SA profile and if it's possible to make the layout as SA as Penumbra. But I gotta mention that the costs of this set in SA would be high. Check OP for news.

[MiTo]

When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this

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Nice suggestion, inverted arrows and WASD keys were added to the GB. Check OP for images.

[MiTo]

I find it very difficult to really evaluate colourways on white backgrounds so did a quick comparison mock up:

Show Image

Personally I prefer the original (top).

The blue alpha legends really pop and act as highlights whereas the concentrated blue in the Inverted scheme seems overwhelming to me.

Edit: the inverted navigation keys do look pretty sweet though ...

I prefer the top as well, but I prefer the symbols (arrows, 6-key, top 3-key) being inverted. This is where having packs in reverse would be decent option for people. But, however it's done, looks really slick as a mock-up.

I'm really glad you like it, inverted arrows and WASD packs were added to the GP. Check OP for images.

[MiTo]

What would be an estimate of the set pieces' prices? I am interested but wondering if this will cost a fortune.

Check OP for news about pricing and profile.

[SL89]

for what its worth i think these really loan themselves to DCS, wouldn't Cherry Legends on SA require the fee to customize the legends on every key? plus there are SO many SA profile sets right now.

[MiTo]

is it $45 to make a new mold, even in SA? or is that only for DCS

edit: not a new mold, a new legend mold
edit for clarification

Yes it is.

[MiTo]

for what its worth i think these really loan themselves to DCS, wouldn't Cherry Legends on SA require the fee to customize the legends on every key? plus there are SO many SA profile sets right now.

I'll update OP for news about profile and pricing right now. Stand by.

[taylordcraig]

Has SA been extremely expensive for previous buys?
R4 + Penumbra are two that come to mind.
Why is it so expensive now?
Penumbra was $85 for the main pack, with base and mods.
https://ctrlalt.io/buys/penumbra-solarized
I'm terribly disappointed to hear this.

[GSimon]

Has SA been extremely expensive for previous buys?
R4 + Penumbra are two that come to mind.
Why is it so expensive now?
Penumbra was $85 for the main pack, with base and mods.
https://ctrlalt.io/buys/penumbra-solarized
I'm terribly disappointed to hear this.

Penumbra had no novelty keys, these do.

[MiTo]

Has SA been extremely expensive for previous buys?
R4 + Penumbra are two that come to mind.
Why is it so expensive now?
Penumbra was $85 for the main pack, with base and mods.
https://ctrlalt.io/buys/penumbra-solarized
I'm terribly disappointed to hear this.

Penumbra had no novelty keys, these do.

You're right GSimon, a SA/DSA set with the Cherry Replica Font is yet to be crowdfunded. They don't have DSA/SA molds for novelties nor Cherry Replica Font (for the Alphas and Base Mods). That's why it is so expensive. If you're gonna get a SA/DSA profile set with Signature Plastics, you'll most likely end with centered capitalized Base Mods and Big Centered Alphas.

[taylordcraig]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

[Permeability]

I would be in for a set of DCS, this looks awesome.

[Hanni]

I would be in for a set too. Do you choose the final grey ?

[bianco]

i'm in for SA or DCS.
hopefully, the SA will hit the 50 mark

[Den441]

Wow, Really looking forward to the Airborne DSA, can't wait to see the mockups on that one. I have been wanting to see similar colors in a DSA for awhile. I am envisioning the light grey as the color for the alphas with the red for the legends on the alphas. Then the blue color for the mods with the grey for the legends on those. Topped off with the red on the esc key with the blue for the legend. Hope I'm not too far off there. Regardless, it will be very different from this set so I will likely be down for getting both Pulse and Airborne for different boards. Great work here!

[MiTo]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.

[MiTo]

Wow, Really looking forward to the Airborne DSA, can't wait to see the mockups on that one. I have been wanting to see similar colors in a DSA for awhile. I am envisioning the light grey as the color for the alphas with the red for the legends on the alphas. Then the blue color for the mods with the grey for the legends on those. Topped off with the red on the esc key with the blue for the legend. Hope I'm not too far off there. Regardless, it will be very different from this set so I will likely be down for getting both Pulse and Airborne for different boards. Great work here!

Stay in touch because I plan to release Airborne after PuLSE is done. I think you're going to like it, even though it's not exactly what you said.

[SpAmRaY]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.

Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.

[MiTo]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.

Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.

$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.

[SpAmRaY]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.

Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.

$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.

So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices

IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.

Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?

[MiTo]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.

Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.

$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.

So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices

IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.

Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?

Standard Legend prices would be $154 for a full kit. And by Standard Legends, I'm talking about Signature Plastics Standard Legends which look like Arial according to Melissa. If we go DCS, the prices would be pretty much the same as Midnight, I think. Waiting for Melissa to answer, but she already mentioned something like that.

[SpAmRaY]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.

Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.

$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.

So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices

IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.

Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?

Standard Legend prices would be $154 for a full kit. And by Standard Legends, I'm talking about Signature Plastics Standard Legends which look like Arial according to Melissa.

So if the stadard price is $154 then don't you have to add the $117 @ 50 sets for the new legends to that price?

[MiTo]

Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.

Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it.  You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.

Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.

Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.

$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.

So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices

IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.

Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?

Standard Legend prices would be $154 for a full kit. And by Standard Legends, I'm talking about Signature Plastics Standard Legends which look like Arial according to Melissa.

So if the stadard price is $154 then don't you have to add the $117 @ 50 sets for the new legends to that price?

That's what I thought too. But look at what she answered.

[SpAmRaY]

Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.

That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. 

BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it.   

[MiTo]

Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.

That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. 

BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it.   

I think maybe it's related to manufacturing, or their profit, I don't really know why your numbers are pointing to $4,300. I'm on mobile and can't calculate atm.

[SpAmRaY]

Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.

That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. 

BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it.   

I think maybe it's related to manufacturing, or their profit, I don't really know why your numbers are pointing to $4,300. I'm on mobile and can't calculate atm.

I took the $207 - $121 = $86 x 50 sets = $4300 in the price difference

[MiTo]

Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.

That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. 

BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it.   

I think maybe it's related to manufacturing, or their profit, I don't really know why your numbers are pointing to $4,300. I'm on mobile and can't calculate atm.

I took the $207 - $121 = $86 x 50 sets = $4300 in the price difference

Basically, adding my custom icons and the Cherry Replica Font legends would add $90 to the full set from what I understood. Hence, $207 for a full PuLSE SA.

[divito]

For Pulse, I think I'd be in for DSA or DCS. Will wait for the final decision.

[justnits]

will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.

[Data]

Just saw your update.  I'd pay a little more for SA.  DCS doesn't interest me at the moment.