Congratz on the in my opinion successful GB!
One question, even though it‘s already too late: Would this set together with i.e. the Windows kit and a 6U GMK 9009 spacebare have fitted on a realforce 87u? Not sure about the bottom row.. If so, I would kind of regrett not joining. I thought since I don‘t have (and particullarly like) WKL keyboards, the set would be useless for me.. Just realized when it was too late, that this might have been an option :)
Any updates on this Hammer?
Much appreciated. Thanks man!
Just found out that GB failed in this announcement: http://www.geekmaker.com/index/bbs/forum_content?id=230&_wv=1031
Basically the announcement said LogicKeyboard, the company who provides the blank BSP caps stopped making them and refused to contact Hammer further.
So Hammer is making a cheaper PBT set similar to BSP called HSP with winkey, ISO, 6u, 6.25u and 7u spacebar support, and different types of homing keys.
Much appreciated. Thanks man!
Just found out that GB failed in this announcement: http://www.geekmaker.com/index/bbs/forum_content?id=230&_wv=1031
Basically the announcement said LogicKeyboard, the company who provides the blank BSP caps stopped making them and refused to contact Hammer further.
So Hammer is making a cheaper PBT set similar to BSP called HSP with winkey, ISO, 6u, 6.25u and 7u spacebar support, and different types of homing keys.
I looked over a google translated version of the article posted above and while I’m still a bit disappointed in the fact that it won’t be BSP I’m really excited for the prospect of improved compatibility and hopefully just as smooth texture as BSP.
However, the one key size that I didn’t see mentioned that I would really, really like to see is a 1.75u R4 (shift) key. This would vastly improve the compatibility of the proposed HSP over and beyond what is pictured/mentioned in the article!
According to the screenshots of conversation, the group buy was launched without ever getting confirmation from logickeyboards that they'd supply blank BSP keysets.
According to the screenshots of conversation, the group buy was launched without ever getting confirmation from logickeyboards that they'd supply blank BSP keysets.
Not all screenshots were made public.
From Massdrop: (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set/talk#discussions)
Dear Customers,
It’s with great regret to inform you that as of this time the group-buy from BSP is cancelled. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused everyone involved. If you are affected please take the time to read the following details of our situation and our plans moving forward.
Our intention to run a BSP group-buy to the end has always been a top priority, and we can only hope the following explanation will help to detail how this buy has failed. In February of this year our team used a broker to develop relations with BSP Asia, Logicalkeyboard, to provide us with blank keycaps for our group-buy projects including single 1u caps. With our brokered relationship with BSP appearing secure we proposed our first group-buy for high quality PBT dyesub reissues of classic Cherry keycaps. The reception of this group-buy was very popular and we quickly procured samples of a dyesub product through our contacts. After posting the sample images our group-buy expanded globally. We were encouraged by the public reception of our samples and excited to offer these high quality sets. The months which followed became a nightmare which ultimately lead us to today.
After collecting all the orders from all of our vendors globally and submitted documentation through our broker we received no response. We began to seek further clarity and reached out to BSP, Logicalkeyboard, directly. When direct communication was finally accomplished we were told PBT keycaps are no longer an item which can be ordered . We really wanted to make this work for everyone - the members, Massdrop and the design of the keycaps.After all, BSP keycaps is one of the most authentic cherry sets for keyboard enthusiasts. In the end, after long sessions of communication our offers to increase the MOQ, and even offers to purchase the molding from Logicalkeyboard were ultimately ignored.
We feel a great deal of remorse and guilt in cancelling this group-buy. We were unable to reissue caps or save the old original Cherry pbt mold. As we have come to know, BSP sublimation keycap production is very expensive outside of Europe. Changing international trade climate high postage and tariffs between Europe to Asia makes reopening relationships impossible. While we are apologetic we also have a plan to resolve this problem in the long term.
We are launching a new product we will call H(ammer)SP. Our goal is to retool and improve upon the best features of what made BSP keycaps a true legacy product. For those who wish to remain in our group buy we are offering two complete the sets of HSP for each set of BSP ordered; one set for your original order, another will be the never-sold Cyrillic or Hebrew dye-subbed set. The Hebrew and Cyrillic sets will be distributed randomly, For example, if an Arabic set was ordered a customer would receive either a Cyrillic or Hebrew set in addition to the Arabic. The difference in between the original order and HSP is the keycaps will not be made by BSP. We will also offer refunds for anyone in the group buy who would like it, please reach out to Massdrop Support for the refund/cancellation.
The HSP keycaps are similar to the BSP in profile, feeling, and color. In addition to doing our best to recreate these qualities we have improved the following defects we felt were not a feature of the product:
• Normalizing R4 height to Cherry standard while retaining the BSP R5 standard.
• ISO layout support.
• WK layout support.
• 6U, 6.25U, 7U pbt spacebar support.
• A variety of four homing key molds: bars, scoops, dots and no homing.
This announcement has not come without a considerable effort from team Hammer to fix the issue before causing a problem for enthusiasts. We have already completed the injection molding, finish, and production proofing. The performance of our manufacturing is very satisfying testers who work closely with Team Hammer. By moving to the city which the injection factory is located we have had a hand in adjusting the fit and finish of the products coming out of our custom molds.
To be clear about our plans for production after completing our duty to existing customers we will have four sets planned for regular release: Original Tulip \ Tulip GK \ APL \ Arabic. Our price for future group-buys will be announced soon and set a new standard for affordable quality.
Sincerely,
Team Hammer
Sep.,6,2018
Does this mean sets will be available in the future for those who didn't get in on the original group buy?
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To be clear about our plans for production after completing our duty to existing customers we will have four sets planned for regular release: Original Tulip \ Tulip GK \ APL \ Arabic. Our price for future group-buys will be announced soon and set a new standard for affordable quality.
Slight update on these :eek:Thanks! Looks like things are moving along. Cautiously optimistic = holidays 2018?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TbDdLIz.png)
Slight update on these :eek:Thanks! Looks like things are moving along. Cautiously optimistic = holidays 2018?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TbDdLIz.png)
Why not open up the buy for new orders?I need to satisfy these guys first, they chose to trust me even before they saw the sample. And their money is already in my pocket.
do you have an estimate for the shipping date for these sets?In this month!
Yeeeah! thanks for the great news! :-*do you have an estimate for the shipping date for these sets?In this month!
I need to satisfy these guys first, they chose to trust me even before they saw the sample. And their money is already in my pocket.
Anyone receive theirs yet? I'd still like to pick up an APL set
Have there been any pictures of finished sets? I want to see how the APL set turned out. I hear there was a China GB as well, have they received their orders yet?https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set/talk/2264181?utm_source=linkshare&referer=V9NXG8
Have there been any pictures of finished sets? I want to see how the APL set turned out. I hear there was a China GB as well, have they received their orders yet?https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set/talk/2264181?utm_source=linkshare&referer=V9NXG8
And no to the question
I'm watching an unboxing of 6/8 of these at work
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/353408735
Mine haven't even shipped -_- it seems to be taking so long for those who got child kits (like the Icon Mods or the RGB kit)
I'm watching an unboxing of 6/8 of these at workYeah sorry to Anthony about the crooked stems and double P, PM me if you guys suffered these issues and I will send you the replacement, as for the price, Chinese Taobao/GM gbs is 133 keys but for MD gb is 145 keys, that makes the price different.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/353408735
Yeah sorry to Anthony about the crooked stems and double P, PM me if you guys suffered these issues and I will send you the replacement, as for the price, Chinese Taobao/GM gbs is 133 keys but for MD gb is 145 keys, that makes the price different.
To me directly, and sorry I have nothing to sell now.Yeah sorry to Anthony about the crooked stems and double P, PM me if you guys suffered these issues and I will send you the replacement, as for the price, Chinese Taobao/GM gbs is 133 keys but for MD gb is 145 keys, that makes the price different.
Thanks for the clarification, Hammer.
I have a question -- will there be any extras sold in any platform? I am looking for an OG Tulip set or a Hebrew Green set.
Many of us are still waiting to receive our orders from Massdrop -- where should we report if we find any crooked stems or double/missing keys (or any other issues)? To Massdrop or to you directly?
To me directly, and sorry I have nothing to sell now.Yeah sorry to Anthony about the crooked stems and double P, PM me if you guys suffered these issues and I will send you the replacement, as for the price, Chinese Taobao/GM gbs is 133 keys but for MD gb is 145 keys, that makes the price different.
Thanks for the clarification, Hammer.
I have a question -- will there be any extras sold in any platform? I am looking for an OG Tulip set or a Hebrew Green set.
Many of us are still waiting to receive our orders from Massdrop -- where should we report if we find any crooked stems or double/missing keys (or any other issues)? To Massdrop or to you directly?
To me directly, and sorry I have nothing to sell now.Yeah sorry to Anthony about the crooked stems and double P, PM me if you guys suffered these issues and I will send you the replacement, as for the price, Chinese Taobao/GM gbs is 133 keys but for MD gb is 145 keys, that makes the price different.
Thanks for the clarification, Hammer.
I have a question -- will there be any extras sold in any platform? I am looking for an OG Tulip set or a Hebrew Green set.
Many of us are still waiting to receive our orders from Massdrop -- where should we report if we find any crooked stems or double/missing keys (or any other issues)? To Massdrop or to you directly?
It's been another 9 days....still no response. Has anyone gotten any response or any replacements? Kind of getting annoyed with this lack of response.
Just got my HSP sets
Just got my HSP sets
Did you get any crooked caps? Have you noticed any issues with the legends?
There are rumors of a future CRP dye sub run. Is there any truth in that?
Does anyone know if we can now get some replacement for crooked/misaligned caps? It's getting kind of frustrating to get 0 contact.
Would appreciate an update on that as well as whether R2 will be happening in an international group-buy as well. The silence is deafening.
Would appreciate an update on that as well as whether R2 will be happening in an international group-buy as well. The silence is deafening.
I second this. So we can at least decide if we hop on the taobao groupbuy haha
There's something on massdrop right now, but the information is spotty and half recycled from the previous BSP drop. The Taobao groupbuy probably had more up to date info if anyone can find itWould appreciate an update on that as well as whether R2 will be happening in an international group-buy as well. The silence is deafening.
I second this. So we can at least decide if we hop on the taobao groupbuy haha
Is there a taobao GB of this keyset going on????
There's something on massdrop right now, but the information is spotty and half recycled from the previous BSP drop. The Taobao groupbuy probably had more up to date info of anyone can find itWould appreciate an update on that as well as whether R2 will be happening in an international group-buy as well. The silence is deafening.
I second this. So we can at least decide if we hop on the taobao groupbuy haha
Is there a taobao GB of this keyset going on????
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Has anyone gotten their replacement caps for the defective ones they received from R1? I'm still waiting on mine...
Well, some more solid information from the latest update from the drop team.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JQY0GeP.png)
Since it seems noone has received their replacements from CRP R1 yet, perhaps the replacements are being produced within this run.
Well, some more solid information from the latest update from the drop team.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JQY0GeP.png)
Since it seems noone has received their replacements from CRP R1 yet, perhaps the replacements are being produced within this run.
I hope this is the case, but Hammer never provided any further details regarding replacements.
Still waiting for round 2.
Well, some more solid information from the latest update from the drop team.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JQY0GeP.png)
Since it seems noone has received their replacements from CRP R1 yet, perhaps the replacements are being produced within this run.
I hope this is the case, but Hammer never provided any further details regarding replacements.
This was the last I heard, in March.
"we can give you a replacement for the crooked stems! You know the old CRP have this issues so we make a new mould, we are testing the new mould these day and I do think we can solve this question."
I didn't really think about it at the time but I've heard making and testing moulds can be a pretty time consuming process. I'm hopeful this means no corrections will be needed from this round. Perhaps just a month past the projected ship date is not so bad considering..Still waiting for round 2.
That was BSP though and shipping handled through Imsto.
Well, some more solid information from the latest update from the drop team.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JQY0GeP.png)
Since it seems noone has received their replacements from CRP R1 yet, perhaps the replacements are being produced within this run.
I hope this is the case, but Hammer never provided any further details regarding replacements.
This was the last I heard, in March.
"we can give you a replacement for the crooked stems! You know the old CRP have this issues so we make a new mould, we are testing the new mould these day and I do think we can solve this question."
I didn't really think about it at the time but I've heard making and testing moulds can be a pretty time consuming process. I'm hopeful this means no corrections will be needed from this round. Perhaps just a month past the projected ship date is not so bad considering..Still waiting for round 2.
That was BSP though and shipping handled through Imsto.
Oh, I see.
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Same here!! Hurray!
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Same here!! Hurray!
Yes, it was a very nice surprise this morning! I'm interested to see how this new round came out. Like others, I'm still disappointed in the lack of presence team hammer has had the past few months. It would be really nice to know if these shipments may contain corrected keys from the first run.
Whose CRP order has not shipped yet? :(
Super annoying/disappointing that DROP alerts you that the product has been shipped and a full work week later, the package hasn't moved at all. Does DROP do this with all their products? :confused:
Super annoying/disappointing that DROP alerts you that the product has been shipped and a full work week later, the package hasn't moved at all. Does DROP do this with all their products? :confused:
What QC process? :)) Did they complete a review by pictures? Send a delegate? Doubt itSuper annoying/disappointing that DROP alerts you that the product has been shipped and a full work week later, the package hasn't moved at all. Does DROP do this with all their products? :confused:
The issue is that they didn't disclose it shipped from China. I've never had them ship like this before but it makes me question their QC process. People who purchased from TB in the states have already started getting their sets FWIW.
Gotta say, the APL set looks really nice ;D and I don't see any crooked keys in this shipment. Still no word on replacements from the original though
Gotta say, the APL set looks really nice ;D and I don't see any crooked keys in this shipment. Still no word on replacements from the original though
It's never going to happen, Hammer is a liar.