Post by: hineybush on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:08:41
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Hi
Had an idea, I wanna do some WoB Alps-mount caps in DCS profile by Signature Plastics. I've been in contact with Melissa over there about them, and I'm working on figuring out kits. I'd like to eventually do a beige-based set, gonna send some GMK 9009 caps over to SP so they can give me some good color chip recs so I don't have to buy 50 different ones.
The challenges atm are if I want to split out random stuff like ISO, Bottom row stuff (like a Tsangan/WKL + AEK + HHKB bottom row kit), 40's (pictured below) etc. so please give me input on what would actually be worth covering.
latest update (June 11, 2020):
so I talked to SP. here are the updates:
- they only have MX stabilizer stem, Alps switch stem caps. so there won't be any option for Alps/Costar stab inserts.
- pricing seems good, a base kit would be about ~$120 USD.
- regarding legends, I have to pretty much hand-pick these so it will go one of two ways: either the Cherry style like DCS Midnight (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keyset/) or the Wyse style like their "black & white" set (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/). Either one would be cool IMO, sort of leaning towards the Cherry style but that's just me.
Latest kits:
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ctf9oq.png)
Had an idea, I wanna do some WoB Alps-mount caps in DCS profile by Signature Plastics. I've been in contact with Melissa over there about them, and I'm working on figuring out kits. I'd like to eventually do a beige-based set, gonna send some GMK 9009 caps over to SP so they can give me some good color chip recs so I don't have to buy 50 different ones.
The challenges atm are if I want to split out random stuff like ISO, Bottom row stuff (like a Tsangan/WKL + AEK + HHKB bottom row kit), 40's (pictured below) etc. so please give me input on what would actually be worth covering.
latest update (June 11, 2020):
so I talked to SP. here are the updates:
- they only have MX stabilizer stem, Alps switch stem caps. so there won't be any option for Alps/Costar stab inserts.
- pricing seems good, a base kit would be about ~$120 USD.
- regarding legends, I have to pretty much hand-pick these so it will go one of two ways: either the Cherry style like DCS Midnight (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keyset/) or the Wyse style like their "black & white" set (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/). Either one would be cool IMO, sort of leaning towards the Cherry style but that's just me.
Latest kits:
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ctf9oq.png)
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Current kit sheets as far as I can figure out so far:
base
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616332077796818984/616334310873497605/unknown.png)
spacebar and 40's
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616332077796818984/616332168750432258/unknown.png)
Legends would be the classic DCS ones, like this:
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=84502.0;attach=147391;image)
afaik they only have MX-mount stab mounting, but I can ask if they have the classic alps style too.
tyvm, lmk what else would be worth doing.
base
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616332077796818984/616334310873497605/unknown.png)
spacebar and 40's
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616332077796818984/616332168750432258/unknown.png)
Legends would be the classic DCS ones, like this:
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=84502.0;attach=147391;image)
afaik they only have MX-mount stab mounting, but I can ask if they have the classic alps style too.
tyvm, lmk what else would be worth doing.
Post by: fcoury on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:09:03
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:09:27
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:10:32
Post by: gaynut on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:11:00
Post by: Capsy on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:11:39
Post by: elli on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:12:25
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:16:17
Post by: nasp on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:19:04
Post by: TheArcticFox_27 on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:32:21
Post by: jrs on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:33:13
Post by: Krelbit on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:35:15
im ****
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:36:02
alps is ****No u
im ****
Wait...
I'm interested. Anyway.
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:36:20
alps is ****handarbeit isn't **** so it cancels out right
im ****
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:48:34
On another, beige and BOW? Boring.
Eh, one step at a time I guess?
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:51:11
On one hand, more custom Alps keycaps? Hell yeah.
On another, beige and BOW? Boring.
Eh, one step at a time I guess?
yep, one step at a time. I'd like to start with the classics as I figure they'd sell pretty well and they're easy to adapt to the platform.
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:53:50
On one hand, more custom Alps keycaps? Hell yeah.We got DCS Alps Yuri in October too homie
On another, beige and BOW? Boring.
Eh, one step at a time I guess?
Post by: Taeha Types on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:01:02
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:02:53
Post by: TheInverseKey on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:03:47
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:08:30
Yes, 7u spacebars are needed badly. Also what stab inserts are going to be used?
At this point I've been informed that these all use MX stab inserts. Sort of a pain, working with some people to see if we can get MX-alps stab inserts made or what other options could be.
Post by: SGRX on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:19:52
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:22:24
Matias sells some alps plate to mx cap wires.Yes, 7u spacebars are needed badly. Also what stab inserts are going to be used?
At this point I've been informed that these all use MX stab inserts. Sort of a pain, working with some people to see if we can get MX-alps stab inserts made or what other options could be.
Not the best quality but they work.
Post by: Gert Fischer on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:53:15
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 28 August 2019, 15:05:47
I'm all in
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Post by: t0rk on Wed, 28 August 2019, 15:34:23
In.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 28 August 2019, 15:51:04
Any consideration about the style of alps stem used? I know the Alps Throwback set used the 1Z mount and it was "said" to work better. (no need to shave super tight stems or worry about them breaking off in the switch)
Also, ima need to pick up some more of those NoS yellow alps b/c they rock.
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:02:48
Post by: djeucalyptus on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:18:27
Post by: vikipedeer on Thu, 29 August 2019, 02:15:11
Post by: EMC Labs on Thu, 29 August 2019, 07:16:03
Post by: Robotical on Thu, 29 August 2019, 07:59:40
Post by: Applet on Thu, 29 August 2019, 08:20:02
I like the kits. No need to split them up more imo. For me, HHKB and Tsangan-support is what I need for buying the set.
Is the 6u space center stem?
I question the 6.5u space, is it compatible with AEK? If not, we could skip that?
Post by: equalunique on Thu, 29 August 2019, 08:54:32
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Post by: dallman5 on Thu, 29 August 2019, 09:40:31
Also in for 9009 whenever that happens
What’s MOQ for DCS alps?
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 29 August 2019, 13:15:21
Post by: janglad on Thu, 29 August 2019, 13:30:23
Post by: Yakbats on Thu, 29 August 2019, 14:19:00
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 29 August 2019, 14:19:20
I'm pretty sure I've seen inserts for Alps-stabilisers into MX stems on a 3D-printing site somewhere, but I forgot to bookmark it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please post a link.
nubbinator worked on stab inserts to go with his MX to ALPS adapters - it may be a corresponding height though
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69031.msg1680705#msg1680705
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 29 August 2019, 14:34:36
I like this
Also in for 9009 whenever that happens
What’s MOQ for DCS alps?
25 but i imagine hiney will set it higher so that the price is reasonable
Post by: growler on Thu, 29 August 2019, 17:40:46
In if PBT....
growler
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 29 August 2019, 18:59:16
I like this
Also in for 9009 whenever that happens
What’s MOQ for DCS alps?
25 but i imagine hiney will set it higher so that the price is reasonable
logical MOQ is 100 because I can make the set like $165. Might aim for 200 tho bc then it'd be $125
Noob, PBT or ABS ?
In if PBT....
growler
doubleshot abs
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 29 August 2019, 19:09:36
I like this
Also in for 9009 whenever that happens
What’s MOQ for DCS alps?
25 but i imagine hiney will set it higher so that the price is reasonable
logical MOQ is 100 because I can make the set like $165. Might aim for 200 tho bc then it'd be $125Noob, PBT or ABS ?
In if PBT....
growler
doubleshot abs
Hi,
Can we start GB
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 29 August 2019, 19:28:52
I’ve done it (shaved and broken), and it sucks.
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 30 August 2019, 09:09:31
1Z mount stems or the standard ones that you have to shave on matias switches so they don’t break?
I’ve done it (shaved and broken), and it sucks.
same....
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 30 August 2019, 15:40:26
1Z mount stems or the standard ones that you have to shave on matias switches so they don’t break?
I’ve done it (shaved and broken), and it sucks.
Not sure but I can check.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 30 August 2019, 16:19:59
1Z mount stems or the standard ones that you have to shave on matias switches so they don’t break?
I’ve done it (shaved and broken), and it sucks.
Not sure but I can check.
I can't speak for the effectiveness of the 1z mount, but what I read about it seems positive. I bought a set of Alps Throwback to be delivered with my Modern M0110, but yeah... we all know how that Group Buy is doing.
Post by: mountainblocks on Fri, 30 August 2019, 17:01:56
Post by: ZivZulander on Fri, 30 August 2019, 17:06:47
Post by: 82d28a on Fri, 30 August 2019, 20:04:42
100% in for this one. I definitely prefer MX stab mounts over OG Alps style.
Same here. I am in for one set.
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 30 August 2019, 23:12:24
Also big +1 on the MX style mounts. Those clip and wire getups from old boards suck.
Post by: Sheva000 on Tue, 03 September 2019, 07:52:50
Mx stab is perfect, its time to have a project to renew alps pcb and plate file
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 03 September 2019, 09:08:42
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Post by: Vox_Reticuli on Tue, 03 September 2019, 09:15:22
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Post by: JerkChicken456 on Wed, 04 September 2019, 02:55:29
Post by: wd9001 on Wed, 04 September 2019, 06:29:36
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 04 September 2019, 13:22:56
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 04 September 2019, 13:44:19
Post by: TeacherGeek on Wed, 04 September 2019, 15:31:07
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 04 September 2019, 15:36:08
I guess I'm in the minority with wanting the stabilizer stems to be old school ALPS style. Sure they are fiddly to get installed, but once lubed & properly installed I much prefer them over Cherry style. Very little rattle, very little effect on the way the switch operates, & very smooth. Although I do get the convenience of using Cherry style stabilizers especially when most custom boards that support ALPS switches are designed to use Cherry PCB mount. Either way I am still in as there are adapters you can have 3D printed to use ALPS style stabilizers with keycaps that use Chery style stabilizers.
You're definitely not in the minority. In fact, I might not buy this set if it _doesn't_ have old school Alps style stabs. Half of the appeal of this set is to use with older Alps boards imho.
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 04 September 2019, 17:39:02
Post by: kolicivan on Thu, 05 September 2019, 03:30:43
DCS is not that different profile than OEM, maybe slightly shorter.
And the keycap thickness is comparable to Tai Hao.
But I think Tai Hao no longer has them in stock.
I'm always happy to see new sets coming out for ALPS but if this set is gonna cost the same as ALPS Throwback keycaps I'm gonna pass.
Post by: alisonica on Thu, 05 September 2019, 08:37:50
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 05 September 2019, 10:20:08
I have a Tai Hao WoB set. It's a pretty good quality for the money.There's some Alps WoB on mechanicalkeyboards.com but they are a bit pricey. Other colorways exist on YMDK's store.
DCS is not that different profile than OEM, maybe slightly shorter.
And the keycap thickness is comparable to Tai Hao.
But I think Tai Hao no longer has them in stock.
I'm always happy to see new sets coming out for ALPS but if this set is gonna cost the same as ALPS Throwback keycaps I'm gonna pass.
It's still just to exciting to have this variable of compatibility, with so many ALPS PCBs coming out that are in so many different layouts.
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 September 2019, 11:44:43
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Thu, 05 September 2019, 11:58:51
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 05 September 2019, 12:09:28
At this point it seems like MX stem is the way to go (probably the only way based on SP's molds). Working on hopefully running a slider adapter GB alongside this though.
Slider adaptors work just as well :thumb: (maybe even better). Herobush does it all, folks!
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 05 September 2019, 12:57:36
At this point it seems like MX stem is the way to go (probably the only way based on SP's molds). Working on hopefully running a slider adapter GB alongside this though.
blindassasin had adapters when he ran nexus sliders, just in case someone wants his input/insight
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:41:40
At this point it seems like MX stem is the way to go (probably the only way based on SP's molds). Working on hopefully running a slider adapter GB alongside this though.
blindassasin had adapters when he ran nexus sliders, just in case someone wants his input/insight
That's who I've been talking to :p
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 14:03:24
Current plan is to see if we can possibly get them injection molded, trying to look into how viable this is before anything else is said, I don't want to get anyones hopes up in case prices aren't able to be brought down.
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 05 September 2019, 15:49:21
So the current plan is going to be different to how the nexus stab adapters were done. I originally had them 3D printed using material jetting and got them for ~$7/set, not too long after the GB prices shot up to ~$60/set, which really destroyed my hopes of ever being able to support them again.
Current plan is to see if we can possibly get them injection molded, trying to look into how viable this is before anything else is said, I don't want to get anyones hopes up in case prices aren't able to be brought down.
What!? They wanted $60 just to make a set of those adapter!? Wow, that is insane because the adapters ending up being pretty disappointing IME, super fragile & stems that were too big. It's almost impossible to get them out of a spacebar without breaking them, even if you put some lube on them. I think injection molded ones would be infinitely better even if they end up being a good bit more expensive than the original run of 3D printed ones IMHO. I know I'd be willing to pay more for something I know can be used more than just once. Also any ideal why the cost of the 3D printed sets shot up so high after you had the batch for the Nexus buy made? $7 per set to $60 is a pretty crazy price hike even if materials got significantly more expensive.
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 21:44:45
What!? They wanted $60 just to make a set of those adapter!? Wow, that is insane because the adapters ending up being pretty disappointing IME, super fragile & stems that were too big. It's almost impossible to get them out of a spacebar without breaking them, even if you put some lube on them. I think injection molded ones would be infinitely better even if they end up being a good bit more expensive than the original run of 3D printed ones IMHO. I know I'd be willing to pay more for something I know can be used more than just once. Also any ideal why the cost of the 3D printed sets shot up so high after you had the batch for the Nexus buy made? $7 per set to $60 is a pretty crazy price hike even if materials got significantly more expensive.
They were not the best because of printing variations I believe, all of the ones I had were fine but it may have been a batch to batch difference even.
As for pricing I have no clue what caused the jump but I had no way to combat that change sadly.
Post by: waldorf120 on Fri, 06 September 2019, 00:04:58
Post by: manzel on Tue, 10 September 2019, 04:42:33
Post by: Yakbats on Sat, 21 September 2019, 00:27:52
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 21 September 2019, 04:06:24
What!? They wanted $60 just to make a set of those adapter!? Wow, that is insane because the adapters ending up being pretty disappointing IME, super fragile & stems that were too big. It's almost impossible to get them out of a spacebar without breaking them, even if you put some lube on them. I think injection molded ones would be infinitely better even if they end up being a good bit more expensive than the original run of 3D printed ones IMHO. I know I'd be willing to pay more for something I know can be used more than just once. Also any ideal why the cost of the 3D printed sets shot up so high after you had the batch for the Nexus buy made? $7 per set to $60 is a pretty crazy price hike even if materials got significantly more expensive.
They were not the best because of printing variations I believe, all of the ones I had were fine but it may have been a batch to batch difference even.
As for pricing I have no clue what caused the jump but I had no way to combat that change sadly.
Yeah that makes sense, I know 3D printing has come a long way, but unless you're working with the best & most expensive printers results still can vary pretty wildly from batch to batch. Thanks for the info!
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 23 September 2019, 11:51:19
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 23 September 2019, 12:12:00
lots to consider here lately. I need to draft up a new email to send to SP with the stab insert questions and try to figure out what's best going forward. I'm currently leaning towards MX mounts as they're likely the only option from SP anyway - inserts will be a great help (working on these too lol). My future PCBs designed for Alps will have cherry stab mount holes in them, so compatibility there will help out a good bit. Sadly there's only so much I can control in the grand scheme of Alps lolAppreciate all your efforts and definitely will be getting a set!
Post by: Atlantic on Tue, 24 September 2019, 11:37:42
Post by: PancakeMSTR on Tue, 24 September 2019, 16:31:49
Post by: SenhorHoshino on Wed, 25 September 2019, 08:05:37
Post by: Aevyn on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:52:45
Post by: Zephyraeon on Fri, 27 September 2019, 15:24:08
Post by: L0NE ST4RR on Wed, 09 October 2019, 15:57:17
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 11 October 2019, 00:02:43
Post by: FZ on Sun, 13 October 2019, 11:10:00
I hope in someone's future efforts an Alps rendition of the Modern Dolch style or a modern version of the old Apple IIc extended keycaps eventually comes to fruition.
Post by: liangalv on Sun, 13 October 2019, 15:22:46
Post by: Ljit0 on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:35:29
Post by: andj00 on Fri, 08 November 2019, 10:52:51
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 08 November 2019, 11:11:56
PLEASE!!!!!!
hoping to get this going Q1
Post by: kakan on Fri, 08 November 2019, 15:44:20
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 10 November 2019, 18:44:53
PLEASE!!!!!!
hoping to get this going Q1
Any chance for some ortholinear love?
Post by: nasp on Sun, 10 November 2019, 20:59:33
.PLEASE!!!!!!
hoping to get this going Q1
Any chance for some ortholinear love?
Yes! There's a 40's kit that will cover ortho
Post by: Chesebro on Sun, 10 November 2019, 21:52:25
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 10 November 2019, 23:42:06
.PLEASE!!!!!!
hoping to get this going Q1
Any chance for some ortholinear love?
Yes! There's a 40's kit that will cover ortho
Oh, I see it on the OP, now. For some reason the base pic and the spacebar/40 pic won't load for me. I can only see the pic of the TKL.
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 11 November 2019, 04:22:22
PLEASE!!!!!!
hoping to get this going Q1
Really need this to support my True-HHKB Alps build hasn't completed yet after 3+ years.
Hope I save up enough for Q1 2020 or finally the job-market gives my 10+ years non-commercial academic background some credit...
Post by: tvpeople on Mon, 18 November 2019, 10:54:49
BoW may go better with both dark & light color cases.
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 18 November 2019, 11:27:03
Any chance we can go with more lighter color scheme like BoW?
BoW may go better with both dark & light color cases.
ya i wanna do that one too
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 18 November 2019, 12:37:45
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 18 November 2019, 13:13:42
No love for classic beige? Not really a fan of how WoB or BoW look in DCS.
actually ya i meant i'd do classic beige, not BoW. i don't care for BoW either
Post by: StormyMonday on Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:58:06
Post by: Rayndalf on Fri, 22 November 2019, 17:11:19
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 22 November 2019, 17:39:28
Hope this is the classic 'Wyse' DCS font, the 'almost Cherry' font is too thick on the sets I've seen.
As cool as that would be, I'd be surprised if SP has those legends available.
Post by: Rayndalf on Fri, 22 November 2019, 19:12:12
The most recent grab bag I've gotten from them has a healthy selection of keys with the OG font, but most of them are white on black or black on beige for commercial cash registers and the like.Hope this is the classic 'Wyse' DCS font, the 'almost Cherry' font is too thick on the sets I've seen.
As cool as that would be, I'd be surprised if SP has those legends available.
The DCS Wyse adapter kits that are also in IC right make use of those legends as well, so (despite the new 'cherry' legends being "better") they seem to keep the old ones around (so many custom legends for different languages and systems that commercial customers don't want to pay to remake I guess?).
In fact the DCS Yuri renders used it too I think (text instead of icon + text, but the font is the OG one). So somehow the older font has text only mods now too? :cool:
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 23 November 2019, 06:40:26
The most recent grab bag I've gotten from them has a healthy selection of keys with the OG font, but most of them are white on black or black on beige for commercial cash registers and the like.Hope this is the classic 'Wyse' DCS font, the 'almost Cherry' font is too thick on the sets I've seen.
As cool as that would be, I'd be surprised if SP has those legends available.
The DCS Wyse adapter kits that are also in IC right make use of those legends as well, so (despite the new 'cherry' legends being "better") they seem to keep the old ones around (so many custom legends for different languages and systems that commercial customers don't want to pay to remake I guess?).
In fact the DCS Yuri renders used it too I think (text instead of icon + text, but the font is the OG one). So somehow the older font has text only mods now too? 8)
The OG DCS legends are just Gorton Modified moved to the top left corner of the keys, and AFAIK it's the default font SP will use on DCS. The Cherry replica legends were paid for by the community to make OG Cherry style sets before GMK started producing keycaps.
Text mods do exist (DCS Percent used them not too long ago, but older sets like DCS Hyperfuse used them too), as do icon only mods (DCS Icon SoWaRe, OTD Red Alert)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 23 November 2019, 08:48:02
The most recent grab bag I've gotten from them has a healthy selection of keys with the OG font, but most of them are white on black or black on beige for commercial cash registers and the like.Hope this is the classic 'Wyse' DCS font, the 'almost Cherry' font is too thick on the sets I've seen.
As cool as that would be, I'd be surprised if SP has those legends available.
The DCS Wyse adapter kits that are also in IC right make use of those legends as well, so (despite the new 'cherry' legends being "better") they seem to keep the old ones around (so many custom legends for different languages and systems that commercial customers don't want to pay to remake I guess?).
In fact the DCS Yuri renders used it too I think (text instead of icon + text, but the font is the OG one). So somehow the older font has text only mods now too? 8)
The OG DCS legends are just Gorton Modified moved to the top left corner of the keys, and AFAIK it's the default font SP will use on DCS. The Cherry replica legends were paid for by the community to make OG Cherry style sets before GMK started producing keycaps.
Text mods do exist (DCS Percent used them not too long ago, but older sets like DCS Hyperfuse used them too), as do icon only mods (DCS Icon SoWaRe, OTD Red Alert)
Yup I'm also dead wrong ;D. DCS Percent has the original legends and it's sitting right in front of me. Also that's my Wyse IC so it's not like I didn't know this already :confused:
Post by: Jacob4341 on Wed, 25 December 2019, 21:04:16
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Post by: Hapi on Thu, 09 January 2020, 16:31:02
Post by: LoneRegiment on Fri, 10 January 2020, 05:51:35
yes pls. and R3 1.75 function keycap would be nice :)I second this, also very excited
Post by: segami on Sun, 19 January 2020, 05:18:57
Post by: Hapi on Sun, 19 January 2020, 05:34:32
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Post by: equalunique on Wed, 22 January 2020, 13:11:19
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Post by: Jacob4341 on Thu, 20 February 2020, 14:49:48
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 20 February 2020, 15:26:25
Any update on when this will be ran?
havent had much of a chance to work on kits. hopefully can soon ish and get that info over to SP for some quotations!
Post by: Lil on Sat, 22 February 2020, 05:34:08
Post by: keyboardcircle on Sun, 23 February 2020, 14:29:31
Post by: nasp on Sun, 23 February 2020, 20:51:15
BoW please.
Ditto. :pray:
Post by: mode on Mon, 24 February 2020, 02:47:29
R4 ‘~ and R3 \| I would love, but I’ll accept blanks for those keys.
Post by: Merfolk on Tue, 25 February 2020, 02:07:15
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 25 February 2020, 08:21:29
Post by: jrs on Tue, 25 February 2020, 08:47:35
wtb non alps version after this runshttps://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 25 February 2020, 09:38:13
wtb non alps version after this runshttps://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/
Mods are poop and doesn't have all the addon kits from butt man hiney
Post by: littleairbison on Wed, 26 February 2020, 15:21:51
Post by: celta on Thu, 05 March 2020, 23:20:38
Post by: Vox_Reticuli on Mon, 16 March 2020, 18:33:32
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 16 March 2020, 22:20:11
Legends will be the DCS Cherry style, as seen on DCS Midnight: https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keyset/
Kits redone. couple of questions, which I will leave for after:
(https://i.imgur.com/FslslMl.png)
Questions:
-Break numpad out? due to SP's lower MOQs per kit it would likely be made regardless.
-Full on international kit?
-ISO UK good enough?
-Any keys in the 40s/small kit needed?
Post by: helborne on Mon, 16 March 2020, 22:36:14
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 16 March 2020, 22:40:25
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 16 March 2020, 23:51:54
Would you be open to doing blanks too? I don't know if that would help drive down the per key cost though.
nahh if i'm gonna do it may as well do it full-assed
Post by: Zephyraeon on Tue, 17 March 2020, 00:31:54
Which spacebars in the spacebar kit are convex?
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 17 March 2020, 01:06:46
Liking the kits as they are, only thing I'd change would be adding a second B to spacebars, but I'm not sure how many people are really planning on doing ALPS alice layouts so understand if that's left out. I'll be buying everything except ISO regardless.
Which spacebars in the spacebar kit are convex?
second B is on the list!
I believe only keys 4.5u and up are convex. the rest will be concave blanks. https://www.solutionsinplastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/DCSFamily.pdf
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 17 March 2020, 01:17:38
Post by: mode on Tue, 17 March 2020, 01:30:05
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 17 March 2020, 10:14:40
EDIT:
To answer some of your questions:
I don't need a numpad, and would always appreciate a cheaper base kit.
Indifferent indifferent bla bla
Having some alps 40's keys would be super awesome to cover some of those weird boards that you aren't sure why they have alps support because no standard keysets fit them.
Post by: monteyalps on Tue, 17 March 2020, 11:20:04
Can't wait to see how this looks on my Alps board!
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 17 March 2020, 11:46:35
I would really appreciate a blank kit, a couple for each row to fill in for unusual layouts. A small kit would let you buy multiple if you want more blanks, just as long as you get each row.
true, i'm not sure what offerings SP has for alps-mount blanks as far as their in-stock options go but I can ask Melissa.
Post by: nasp on Tue, 17 March 2020, 14:31:34
Can probably strip the 40s kit down somewhat, considering that all those 1u keys are "cosmetic" for ortho users, rather than functionally necessary like the > 1u keys. Then again this is SP so maybe you can just split it into a 40s kit and an ortho kit depending on pricing and MOQs. Or just leave it all in because maybe ortho people will be excited to use this on their Alps Planck or something.
I don't quite understand what your are saying, but the kit is already fairly minimal. As for the "cosmetic" keys, why would I put incorrect legends on my ortho board if I'm spending $100 plus on keycaps? Especially since this is a neutral color. If I didn't care for correct legends I might as well buy any Alps set and just use that. It likely will be a lot cheaper than $100 too.
Please don't take any keys out of the 40s kit.
Post by: Vox_Reticuli on Tue, 17 March 2020, 14:33:08
Post by: ttom on Tue, 17 March 2020, 19:29:55
Edit: if you’re adding a second B to spacebars you should probably add a 2u spacebar there too since quite a lot of Alice layouts use that
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 17 March 2020, 20:12:55
R2 1.5u backspace in 40s doesn’t seem necessary seeing as to how it’s in base already
Edit: if you’re adding a second B to spacebars you should probably add a 2u spacebar there too since quite a lot of Alice layouts use that
oh yea tru will adjust the backspace. reminded me that I updated the legends on the 40s kit and not the base kit to have two-line Back Space. thanks!
Post by: d.caminero on Wed, 18 March 2020, 14:55:20
Post by: Jacob4341 on Wed, 18 March 2020, 16:53:15
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 18 March 2020, 17:06:34
Speaking of special row profiles, did you consider DCS R0/R5? SP has molds for those, and NN was what they were last offered in AFAIK.
Post by: Skelig on Thu, 02 April 2020, 16:00:24
Post by: BlueeQ on Sat, 11 April 2020, 06:03:11
Post by: Th3rav4ger on Sat, 11 April 2020, 11:39:34
Post by: Jacob4341 on Mon, 13 April 2020, 18:33:54
Im very down for this, the struggle with Alps isn't finding the switch it's finding good keycaps. :'(
This is so true! I plan on using this set to fix compatibility issues with my vintage sets like IBM 5140, NEC 8801, or Cannon Hipros.
Post by: RominRonin on Wed, 15 April 2020, 14:44:44
Post by: tpec on Sat, 18 April 2020, 23:25:02
Questions:
-Break numpad out? due to SP's lower MOQs per kit it would likely be made regardless.
-Full on international kit?
-ISO UK good enough?
-Any keys in the 40s/small kit needed?
I'd be down for all three kits if there was Minivan support. As far as I can tell all that's needed is R2 1.75 backspace and R3 1.5 enter in the 40s kit.
Post by: static_lifetime on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:37:46
400% in with beige if that ever drops
Post by: Little4Real on Sun, 17 May 2020, 21:29:57
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 17 May 2020, 21:48:55
Post by: PigeonsLikeBread on Tue, 19 May 2020, 16:25:18
Post by: Skelig on Sat, 06 June 2020, 15:17:28
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 06 June 2020, 21:51:31
Post by: Lormania on Sun, 07 June 2020, 12:41:56
Post by: mode on Sun, 07 June 2020, 14:00:57
I think about this set every now and then and get excited. I am a fan of the idea of the mx mods to make it easier for everyone. The Alps Throwback Keycap set had these (alps middle stem and mx outer stem) so you don't have to find alps stabilizers. Plates though are tough to come by that are made for alps but still keep the same cutouts for the mx stabilizers.
Design your own! I posted some in the DCS Yuri thread. Costs about €60 to get them made by laserboost.
Post by: NorrittMTG on Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:26:42
I've been working on a DCS PBT Dyesubbed set from SP myself. Drop me a message if you're up for chatting.
Would love to see another Alps set hit the market but dont want to interfere with another GB as we all know how hard Alps caps GBs can be.
J
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 11 June 2020, 10:54:05
so I talked to SP. here are the updates:
- they only have MX stabilizer stem, Alps switch stem caps. so there won't be any option for Alps/Costar stab inserts.
- pricing seems good, a base kit would be about ~$120 USD.
- regarding legends, I have to pretty much hand-pick these so it will go one of two ways: either the Cherry style like DCS Midnight (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keyset/) or the Wyse style like their "black & white" set (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/). Either one would be cool IMO, sort of leaning towards the Cherry style but that's just me.
Latest kits:
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ctf9oq.png)
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 11 June 2020, 10:59:47
- regarding legends, I have to pretty much hand-pick these so it will go one of two ways: either the Cherry style like DCS Midnight (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keyset/) or the Wyse style like their "black & white" set (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/). Either one would be cool IMO, sort of leaning towards the Cherry style but that's just me.
x2. My inner back-seat designer is leaning cherry as well.
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 11 June 2020, 12:33:14
hey everyone+1 on cherry style but, frankly, I’d jump on either one
so I talked to SP. here are the updates:
- they only have MX stabilizer stem, Alps switch stem caps. so there won't be any option for Alps/Costar stab inserts.
- pricing seems good, a base kit would be about ~$120 USD.
- regarding legends, I have to pretty much hand-pick these so it will go one of two ways: either the Cherry style like DCS Midnight (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keyset/) or the Wyse style like their "black & white" set (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/). Either one would be cool IMO, sort of leaning towards the Cherry style but that's just me.
Latest kits:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Ctf9oq.png)
Post by: Skelig on Thu, 11 June 2020, 12:38:42
- regarding legends, I have to pretty much hand-pick these so it will go one of two ways: either the Cherry style like DCS Midnight (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keyset/) or the Wyse style like their "black & white" set (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-black-white-keysets/). Either one would be cool IMO, sort of leaning towards the Cherry style but that's just me.
Also +1 for Cherry style.
Post by: mode on Thu, 11 June 2020, 12:41:26
Still pining for some more blanks though, two of each row!
Post by: Zephyraeon on Thu, 11 June 2020, 16:39:36
Can you make sure that these caps use the 1Z tooling for the stems? There was some info about it on the DCS Yuri GB post, but this post shows the difference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94727.msg2592093#msg2592093
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 11 June 2020, 18:30:25
I prefer Cherry too, I like the font being a bit easier to read, and also the Wyse legends have 'Back Space' not 'Backspace'.
Can you make sure that these caps use the 1Z tooling for the stems? There was some info about it on the DCS Yuri GB post, but this post shows the difference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94727.msg2592093#msg2592093
Yup I can verify 1Z soon!
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 12 June 2020, 03:26:00
I prefer Cherry too, I like the font being a bit easier to read, and also the Wyse legends have 'Back Space' not 'Backspace'.
Can you make sure that these caps use the 1Z tooling for the stems? There was some info about it on the DCS Yuri GB post, but this post shows the difference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94727.msg2592093#msg2592093
1Z it is. SP also prefers them.
I was also told to mention that the stab stems can be somewhat fragile/brittle, so it may not be recommended to remove/install the keycaps often. I'll include this as a disclaimer during the buy, etc.
Post by: jH0Ni on Fri, 12 June 2020, 08:25:49
Post by: waldorf120 on Fri, 12 June 2020, 18:49:57
I was also told to mention that the stab stems can be somewhat fragile/brittle, so it may not be recommended to remove/install the keycaps often.
I love SP. Only company that can get away with this. "Yeah we know our product is crap but we're the only game in town". I'm in for 2 of everything.
Post by: krautcat on Fri, 12 June 2020, 21:38:07
Post by: RominRonin on Fri, 12 June 2020, 21:39:42
I can be late, but don;t you mind to add second R3 1.5U key? Like Meta, Cotnrol or Tab. It's useful for some (maybe even one) rare 40% boards with non-usual staggering.I second this ;)
Post by: Jacob4341 on Sat, 13 June 2020, 17:01:35
Post by: segami on Sun, 14 June 2020, 07:47:11
+1 for Cherry style legends. I would even be interested in icon mods.
Icon mods would be sick but I'd be down for 2 sets cherry style if that's the final choice.
Post by: mode on Sun, 14 June 2020, 08:31:25
Post by: Little4Real on Tue, 16 June 2020, 07:05:54
It's okay, but Cherry-style PLEASE
Post by: danieltwc on Mon, 13 July 2020, 19:08:24
Post by: Little4Real on Sun, 16 August 2020, 01:35:27
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 16 August 2020, 16:36:39
Any updates??
yeah i've been distracted by other stuff and lazy lol
look for this in the next month
Post by: nasp on Mon, 17 August 2020, 11:48:48
Any updates??
yeah i've been distracted by other stuff and lazy lol
look for this in the next month
Next month?! Yes!! :eek:
Post by: Little4Real on Tue, 18 August 2020, 02:20:55
yeah i've been distracted by other stuff and lazy lol
look for this in the next month
Welp, I'm in for two sets.
Post by: NorrittMTG on Thu, 20 August 2020, 14:19:56
Has something changed with Signature Plastics over the past few years as so far i havent seen a 7U alps mount bar with MX stabs in DCS that isnt 100% ****ed.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 20 August 2020, 16:16:34
is that a 7u bar?
Has something changed with Signature Plastics over the past few years as so far i havent seen a 7U alps mount bar with MX stabs in DCS that isnt 100% ****ed.
I’m using a 7u DCS alps Yuri space bar with mx stabilizer mounts. All good on mine.
Post by: Little4Real on Thu, 20 August 2020, 16:52:10
is that a 7u bar?
Has something changed with Signature Plastics over the past few years as so far i havent seen a 7U alps mount bar with MX stabs in DCS that isnt 100% ****ed.
I have DCS Alps Throwback and Yuri, and both of those 7U spacebars work flawlessly. I had Alpine Winter and the 7U space was junk. The only way I could use it is by making a custom plate and using a Costar stabilizer on the spacebar.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 20 August 2020, 18:47:56
Post by: Cods on Sun, 30 August 2020, 16:59:36
As a latecomer to the Alps thing, I jumped on Alps Yuri just to get an Alps set. TBH, I don’t particularly like the Yuri colours (I may sell my 2x sets as soon as I have something else in hand), but Alps Yuri’s better than nothing.
Alps WoB looks great!
Post by: nicolaidavies on Mon, 31 August 2020, 05:26:13
Is there going to be a European vendor?
Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 31 August 2020, 09:41:27
Post by: zoo on Mon, 31 August 2020, 10:47:31
Post by: Jacob4341 on Wed, 16 September 2020, 17:16:30
Post by: Onnimar on Sat, 21 November 2020, 11:00:01
Post by: nicolaidavies on Tue, 08 December 2020, 04:31:03
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 08 December 2020, 04:47:52
Any updates??
yeah i've been distracted by other stuff and lazy lol
look for this in the next month
From one yinzer to another, please make this set happen!
Post by: eyeon on Wed, 09 December 2020, 01:52:52
I am hoping that we could get 1.5u R4 Super keys added though.
Post by: eltrotro on Tue, 29 December 2020, 03:41:04
Post by: Alectardy98 on Tue, 29 December 2020, 23:08:13
Post by: ephemeral25 on Wed, 30 December 2020, 05:26:46
Also hope it's still a thing.
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 30 December 2020, 10:31:10
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 30 December 2020, 11:34:28
yeah hey yall, since we are planning on buying a house/moving around when this could ship I'm gonna wait to launch until we have the new place locked down and I know for sure where I'll be fulfilling from.
Hey, glad to hear this is still in the works! GL with the move man!
Post by: siggie0815 on Sat, 02 January 2021, 08:29:24
I'll be definitely in for a Base and ISO Kit, given there is shipping to Europe.
Thanks for your effort, I'm looking forward this.
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 04 January 2021, 00:24:10
Hey, I'll be a late joiner as well (glad that you're busy with other stuff) ;)
I'll be definitely in for a Base and ISO Kit, given there is shipping to Europe.
Thanks for your effort, I'm looking forward this.
I will def work with a European proxy for this!
Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 04 January 2021, 00:41:04
gratz on the move man
Post by: nicolaidavies on Mon, 04 January 2021, 08:20:45
Is there any possibility for an extra B in the spacebars kit? Or even a blank 1u?
I plan on building an Acrylic Alice, so It would be nice to have the right legends.
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 04 January 2021, 08:24:42
Really glad to hear that this is still alive.
Is there any possibility for an extra B in the spacebars kit? Or even a blank 1u?
I plan on building an Acrylic Alice, so It would be nice to have the right legends.
Where you getting an ALPS compatible Alice style PCB? I'd love to grab one if it is something readily available!
Post by: nicolaidavies on Mon, 04 January 2021, 08:45:46
Really glad to hear that this is still alive.
Is there any possibility for an extra B in the spacebars kit? Or even a blank 1u?
I plan on building an Acrylic Alice, so It would be nice to have the right legends.
Where you getting an ALPS compatible Alice style PCB? I'd love to grab one if it is something readily available!
I got an extra PCB from the Tengu GB (https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/tengu/products/tengu-pcb-extra). And I got an Alps plate file with support for MX stabs based of the Yuktsi files. Then I got an old Apple keyboard with Salmon alps.
So these keycaps are the missing piece.
Post by: nicolaidavies on Mon, 04 January 2021, 08:46:40
Really glad to hear that this is still alive.
Is there any possibility for an extra B in the spacebars kit? Or even a blank 1u?
I plan on building an Acrylic Alice, so It would be nice to have the right legends.
Where you getting an ALPS compatible Alice style PCB? I'd love to grab one if it is something readily available!
I got an extra PCB from the Tengu GB (https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/tengu/products/tengu-pcb-extra). And I got an Alps plate file with support for MX stabs based of the Yuktsi files. Then I got an old Apple keyboard with Salmon alps.
So these keycaps are the missing piece.
You can pre order one here: https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/alice-pcbs/products/preorder-alice-pcb-rev2-black
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 04 January 2021, 08:54:15
Really glad to hear that this is still alive.
Is there any possibility for an extra B in the spacebars kit? Or even a blank 1u?
I plan on building an Acrylic Alice, so It would be nice to have the right legends.
Where you getting an ALPS compatible Alice style PCB? I'd love to grab one if it is something readily available!
I got an extra PCB from the Tengu GB (https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/tengu/products/tengu-pcb-extra). And I got an Alps plate file with support for MX stabs based of the Yuktsi files. Then I got an old Apple keyboard with Salmon alps.
So these keycaps are the missing piece.
You can pre order one here: https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/alice-pcbs/products/preorder-alice-pcb-rev2-black
Thanks for the response & links, I didn't know the PKB Alice PCB had ALPS support! Might have to give this project a go myself.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 04 January 2021, 10:00:17
Post by: parablol on Mon, 04 January 2021, 18:25:00
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 05 January 2021, 08:11:51
I really wish the small spacebars were convex
same, sadly SP doesn't have those molds
Post by: nicolaidavies on Tue, 05 January 2021, 14:36:34
I really wish the small spacebars were convex
same, sadly SP doesn't have those molds
What about double B molds? You know for Alice people
Post by: IO Sam on Sun, 31 January 2021, 12:53:55
Really glad to hear that this is still alive.
Is there any possibility for an extra B in the spacebars kit? Or even a blank 1u?
I plan on building an Acrylic Alice, so It would be nice to have the right legends.
Where you getting an ALPS compatible Alice style PCB? I'd love to grab one if it is something readily available!
I got an extra PCB from the Tengu GB (https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/tengu/products/tengu-pcb-extra). And I got an Alps plate file with support for MX stabs based of the Yuktsi files. Then I got an old Apple keyboard with Salmon alps.
So these keycaps are the missing piece.
Hey Nicolaidavies, thank you for sending it to me over Reddit!!! Really appreciated man!
Do you mind if I share that file with the rest of the community here? I'm sure there will be other people in the same situation at some point.
Post by: monteyalps on Sun, 21 February 2021, 21:32:29
Post by: tpec on Thu, 18 March 2021, 16:33:31
Excited for this to happen though! I recently finished putting together a Blue Alps Minivan in preparation :)
Post by: igooo33333 on Sat, 27 March 2021, 13:12:18
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 27 March 2021, 13:19:55
Is there any update on this?
AFAIK it's kinda on hold for right now, but Hiney does intend on running it when he can. So it's not a dead project.
Post by: igooo33333 on Sat, 27 March 2021, 16:04:29
Is there any update on this?
AFAIK it's kinda on hold for right now, but Hiney does intend on running it when he can. So it's not a dead project.
Thanks that's good to hear. I'm planning a Time 80 RE build using yellow alps and would love to eventually use this set rather than the XDA pbt ones from kprepublic.
Post by: IO Sam on Sun, 18 April 2021, 15:51:20
Really glad to hear that this is still alive.
Is there any possibility for an extra B in the spacebars kit? Or even a blank 1u?
I plan on building an Acrylic Alice, so It would be nice to have the right legends.
Where you getting an ALPS compatible Alice style PCB? I'd love to grab one if it is something readily available!
I got an extra PCB from the Tengu GB (https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/tengu/products/tengu-pcb-extra). And I got an Alps plate file with support for MX stabs based of the Yuktsi files. Then I got an old Apple keyboard with Salmon alps.
So these keycaps are the missing piece.I'm in the exact same situation you're in. Also, would you mind sharing the alps compatible Alice plate file you mentioned? That was the main other issue I was struggling with. Tks!
Hey Nicolaidavies, thank you for sending it to me over Reddit!!! Really appreciated man!
Do you mind if I share that file with the rest of the community here? I'm sure there will be other people in the same situation at some point.
Happy to report that the original Alps Alice plate designer (u/Wolframme on Reddit) authorized me to share the file publicly (and thanks to Nicolaidavies for assisting me on this matter!). So, for anyone in need of an Alps compatible plate for a stacked acrylic Alice board, here is his link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eWbhpDfI1_Yn8qojrovlFp846NTVviH5?usp=sharing
I am currently working on a project to build myself an Alice board with Alps SKCM switches (which I will eventually document on my YouTube channel) and will likely make some modification to the original design. But, for now, I can confirm that I know of at least one person who successfully used this design on a stacked acrylic Alice board as it is.
Post by: F13 on Wed, 28 April 2021, 11:24:54
MX stems for stabs is fine but it pretty much means these caps will be for Alps versions of modern boards...which is very much needed.
I think a large base kit makes sense. Alps lovers are definitely a subset of the keeb community so there might not be enough of us to support lots of kitting options.
Frankly, most people buying GMK end up with a bunch of caps they never use anyway (numpad...I'm looking at you), so I don't think it should shock anyone to have a DCS Alps set that includes keys that some might not need (e.g. ISO vs ANSI).
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 17 May 2021, 17:21:49
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Post by: hineybush on Mon, 28 June 2021, 10:45:42