Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 19 June 2020, 04:07:05
tented ergo keyboard
(https://i.imgur.com/0ZEbEZt.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/CkvTW9P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/4H4XGFu.png)
I've been wanting to have an Alice style keyboard for a while now but I wanted to change the layout to suit some of my typing habits and the idea of a tented version appealed to me.
The layout has been reworked from scratch but is still heavily influenced by the original Alice and I've incorporated a lot of design elements from the 7V.
0. CONTENTS
- DETAILS
- STATUS
- VENDORS & PRICING
- PHOTOS
- DESIGN CHANGELOG
- FAQ
1. DETAILS
- Case Angle: 4.5°
- Tenting Angle: 7.0°
- Materials: Aluminium Top, Dark-dyed Polycarbonate Bottom and Stainless-steel Weight
- Mounting method: Grommet mount
- Plate: 1.5mm aluminium full and half plates, polycarbonate full plate options.
- Colours: Black, Silver, Beige
- LEDS: Indicator LED bound to Caps Lock & Function layers. LED modules for feature lighting
- PCB: Designed by Gondolindrum with USB-C daughterboard - configurable with QMK/VIA
- Layout options:
(https://i.imgur.com/lGLFYnZ.png)
2. STATUS
(10/08/2023) - Group Buy will commence on 20th August 2023 and will be open for 2 weeks.
More info below and on the Group Buy Information Page (https://typeplus.notion.site/Type-K-GB-Information-f6a3a9bbd0d64c33b8c9fbc57bcb3b18)
Link to the build stream by Taehatypes. (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1890212207)
Zenkioteque has made an in depth video about the design and layout of the Type K. You can find it here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ax1oNav_7I)
Build streams by Lulzthax (https://www.twitch.tv/lulzthax), and Xinxinwong (https://www.twitch.tv/xinxinwong) should be happening soon.
Markerchun has taken some fantastic photos. You can find the rest of them here. (https://markerchun.com/type-k)
(https://i.imgur.com/MzZsrX2.jpg)
3. VENDORS & PRICING
Group Buy will commence on 20th August 2023 and will be sold through the following vendors:
NA: Novelkeys (https://novelkeys.com/)
KR: Geon Works (https://geon.works/)
EU: Oblotzky Industries (https://oblotzky.industries/)
OCE: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/)
ASIA & Rest of the world: TypePlus (http://www.typeplus.net)
Base unit + Poly Wristrest - $750 USD
Base unit + Wood Wristrest Upgrade - $765 USD (+$15)
Base unit + CF Wristrest Upgrade - $795 USD(+$45)
Base unit + Poly Wristrest +Polished Weight Upgrade - $790 USD (+$40)
Base unit + Wood Wristrest Upgrade + Polished Weight Upgrade - $805 USD(+$55)
Base unit + CF Wristrest Upgrade + Polished Weight Upgrade - $835 USD (+$85)
Poly Wristrest add-on - $95 USD
Wood Wristrest add-on - $110 USD
Poly base + CF Wristrest add-on - $140 USD
CF Shell alone - $60 USD
Solderable PCB (w/ DB, JST cable and FPC cable) - $60 USD
Hotswap PCB (w/ DB, JST cable and FPC cable) - $65 USD
LED Module - $40 USD
For information about what is included, head to the Group Buy Information Page. (https://typeplus.notion.site/Type-K-GB-Information-f6a3a9bbd0d64c33b8c9fbc57bcb3b18)
4. PHOTOS
Videos of the lighting effect:
Video 1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/18dFJmDZZUSq6frrgWnDg7WA6sDpuSPQh/view?usp=sharing)
Video 2 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oQdqgLIvz2ZYPz0cYuPwKbaLr4eHr68u/view?usp=sharing)
V7 Prototype with forged carbon fibre wrist-rest
GMK Stealth (with the Blackout Alphas Kit) & GMK Evil Dolch for the red accents. RAMA Wave Seq 2 in Black for the Esc key, Thermal R4 cap on the extra B.
(https://i.imgur.com/jxxV0uo.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/5a9x49q.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/YEeGJFp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kHulcbP.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/HMQcmIw.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Gja8LgR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/r1u6eiG.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/OTrhG58.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/tVw5OyV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EF15ghs.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/5EZuNHq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/eZZvJ0t.jpg)
V6 Prototype in beige powder coat. Walnut wrist-rest
GMK Sloth with Serika II spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/iDemjyK.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/H5MMNnL.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hcZtf2S.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PFFkzLz.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6t6fA2G.jpg)
Light-coloured wristrest with V3 Prototype
CRP 2551HAD
(https://i.imgur.com/mlhNfj2.jpg)
V4 Prototype
Raw aluminium. In Geon's office.
V3 Prototype
CRP 2551HAD
(https://i.imgur.com/NWa0agH.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/tiQVSnp.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ACbsnma.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XeGWDb4.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2gDlpI1.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/m2fIsli.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HyNMAlN.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/NgPP1w3.jpg)
V2 Prototype
More
GMK White on Black. RAMA Wave Seq 2 in Black for the Esc key, Thermal R4 cap on the extra B, Kuro/Shiro (aluminium) on the top right.
(https://i.imgur.com/C3MFdQx.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/yYD5T12.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2uamlZa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z3Cr5VP.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mb7UCV8.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Dca0xc7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/C3MFdQx.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/yYD5T12.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2uamlZa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z3Cr5VP.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mb7UCV8.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Dca0xc7.jpg)
V1 Prototype
More
(https://i.imgur.com/5AOjE6B.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/oNRMltz.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Y1GU9P1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/l9f5FOw.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/N8dmlgW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/IPjsWoG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8xc47nz.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Ll1lHXV.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2Gky7e4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ULQWVfC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/l9f5FOw.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/N8dmlgW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/IPjsWoG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8xc47nz.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Ll1lHXV.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2Gky7e4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ULQWVfC.jpg)
5. DESIGN CHANGELOG
V1 Prototype
- Layout based mostly on the TGR Alice layout
- Bottom row with dual 3U spacebar
- Right shift reduced down to 2.25U to reduce the width of the right half so that it can be symmetrical and work better with tenting.
- Case angle set to 7 degrees
- Tenting angle set to 5 degrees
V2 Prototype
- Bend angle between Q and W (and O/P columns) reduced from 12 degrees down to 10
- Underglow LEDs moved to daughterboard
- Case angle reduced to 5.5 degrees
- Tenting angle increased to 7 degrees
- Custom wrist-rest added
V3 Protoype
- Case angle reduced to 4.5 degrees
- Mounting point positions adjusted
- Wrist-rest height increased
V4 Protoype
- LEDs moved from daughterboard to separate LED PCB modules
- Redesign of case to accommodate new LED design
- Changed from top mount to gasket mount
- Internal weights added
- Quality of life changes to the PCB
V5 Protoype
- Changes to mounting point positions
- PCB clearance adjustments
- Rubber feet design and position
- Internal weights removed
- PCB modifications
- Accent piece added to bottom
- Reduced screw sizes
- Poron gaskets replaced by moulded silicone gaskets
V6 Protoype
- Changes to mounting point positions
- Accent piece removed
- PCB modifications
- Firmware updates
- Cable specification changed
- Update to silicone grommets
V7 Protoype
- PCB modifications
- Firmware updates
- Cable specification changed
- Additional wristrest options
6. FAQ
- Did you know that there is a keyboard already called the K-Type?
Yes, but I wanted to name this keyboard the Type K because the front bezel and the LED design was inspired by KITT from the Knight Rider television series and Type has associations with both cars such as the Honda Integra and keyboards. - How many units will there be?
It will be an unlimited group buy. - Do you have a discord?
No I don't but my friend, Epsilon Keyboards has created a channel on their server for discussion on the Type K here (https://discord.gg/eTBjdAuzAa) - Do you have a sound-test?
You might be able to catch the typing sound in one of the meet-up streams but I generally don't do sound tests. If this ever gets built by somebody and they happen to make a sound test, I will add a link to it then.
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Post by: FlitzDeelman on Fri, 19 June 2020, 05:51:35
Take my money gok. Again.I missed out on giving you money for the 7V. But I really hope not this time again.
I’LL BE BACK, HE-MAN!! AND THEN _I’LL_ PAY!! <Skeletor laugh fading into the distance.>
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Post by: FlitzDeelman on Fri, 19 June 2020, 06:26:42
this is v sick and the idea of doing an in-stock sale is great, but if there isn't a decent amount of stock, i feel like this will go out of stock instantly and then sell on market for 2-4x the price lol
Good point.
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Post by: YMwoo on Fri, 19 June 2020, 07:22:14
would love navy/white color options. also would love to have option to have arrow cluster on the bottom right instead of the 1.5u Ctrl (Always thought the gap is too big on alice layout)
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looks sick
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Post by: dallman5 on Fri, 19 June 2020, 08:18:51
The one thing that would keep me from buying this would be the right shift. I’ve been using the Alice layout since the original GB shipped out and never thought that Fn was too far away, it works perfectly with my muscle memory from standard layout split shift boards. The renders as they currently stand look very cramped over there. I also feel like aesthetically 2.75u would look better because then you have that same stepped effect mirrored on both sides. Finally, and my eyes might be playing tricks on me so correct me if I’m wrong, but the left half of the board looks longer than the right, so maybe this would make them more even?
In spite of my grievances, I’m looking forward to more details about price and availability :thumb:
Edit: just a minor afterthought but a lot of keysets have moved away from ISO (1.25u shift) and second 2.25u right shift in the base kit which is unfortunate for compatibility as well
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Post by: break on Fri, 19 June 2020, 09:01:55
This is a really cool concept and I’m very interested!
The one thing that would keep me from buying this would be the right shift. I’ve been using the Alice layout since the original GB shipped out and never thought that Fn was too far away, it works perfectly with my muscle memory from standard layout split shift boards. The renders as they currently stand look very cramped over there. I also feel like aesthetically 2.75u would look better because then you have that same stepped effect mirrored on both sides. Finally, and my eyes might be playing tricks on me so correct me if I’m wrong, but the left half of the board looks longer than the right, so maybe this would make them more even?
In spite of my grievances, I’m looking forward to more details about price and availability :thumb:
Edit: just a minor afterthought but a lot of keysets have moved away from ISO (1.25u shift) and second 2.25u right shift in the base kit which is unfortunate for compatibility as well
Fantastic point dallman on the right shift, I didn't catch that at first. Ideally folks could obtain support for this board through GMK Noel's 40s kit - which includes both split space and ISO shift - but a base + 40s package still wouldn't provide the full shift some may want for this board.
Edit - after I wrote this someone pointed out that both GMK Masterpiece and GMK Midnight Rainbow have two 2.25u Shifts in the base kit. My bad!
That said, this board reminds me of the MS Ergo I ran into the ground before my first mechkey. I really hope to hear more about the right shift.
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Fri, 19 June 2020, 09:41:35
Depending on how many seconds it takes to sell this out, would you consider running this afterwards on a more standard gb format? Just to give everyone a chance to get in on this beauty.
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Post by: MMMike on Fri, 19 June 2020, 10:28:06
Love the idea, but the layout changes are horrible imo. You should at least offer compatibility for the standard layout people are used to.
Good thing no one is forcing you to buy
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 19 June 2020, 10:28:13
just like 7v, the general reaction after price reveal:Really. Feel like a lot of people still got on 7V. Don't think numbers were ever announced.
Show Image(https://media1.tenor.com/images/fcdb732f1bd4368674b2d73f448b69c8/tenor.gif)
That said I'd pay more for this. Pretty novel take honestly.
Post by: i luv chuletas on Fri, 19 June 2020, 10:44:21
just like 7v, the general reaction after price reveal:
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Really? Outside of PVD, I didn't think the price was bad on it given what it was?
Regardless, I just hope we get a good amount of these to be able to get one. I always thought Alices should be tented in the middle, so this is a sort of dream board for me.
Post by: takehiro on Fri, 19 June 2020, 10:57:52
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Do want!
+1 on wrist rest to match the profile
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Real talk, I agree with others regarding the weird Right Shift/FN configuration, and don't see a reason to not support Left Spacebar/GUI other than personal preference.
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 19 June 2020, 14:49:01
This is a really cool concept and I’m very interested!Maybe my hands are tiny but I still find the fn too far away. I prefer it the wys I currently have it because it brings the control closer as well.
The one thing that would keep me from buying this would be the right shift. I’ve been using the Alice layout since the original GB shipped out and never thought that Fn was too far away, it works perfectly with my muscle memory from standard layout split shift boards. The renders as they currently stand look very cramped over there. I also feel like aesthetically 2.75u would look better because then you have that same stepped effect mirrored on both sides. Finally, and my eyes might be playing tricks on me so correct me if I’m wrong, but the left half of the board looks longer than the right, so maybe this would make them more even?
In spite of my grievances, I’m looking forward to more details about price and availability :thumb:
Edit: just a minor afterthought but a lot of keysets have moved away from ISO (1.25u shift) and second 2.25u right shift in the base kit which is unfortunate for compatibility as well
Regarding keycap compatibility, there are still a lot of base kits that provide ISO shifts and in sets like Nautilus R2, there is a short shift in the 40s kit which has the spacebars and the extra B key that you'd want.
Post by: synthtastic on Fri, 19 June 2020, 15:00:52
Looks real nice!!!
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Nice project! Interesting design for sure and I applaud your choice to move the left spacebar because that’s where you hit it.
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Post by: fabijolo on Sat, 20 June 2020, 00:18:35
I'm absolutely loving the way it's bend, this will make for the ultimate ergo experience :thumb:
Post by: keuhdall on Sat, 20 June 2020, 00:19:35
I'm not a big fan of the Alice layout, so I might pass on this one, but a 65-75% version would be instabuy.
Overall keyboard looks awesome, very nice job you did there !
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Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 20 June 2020, 10:03:26
Esrille New but polished, i love itIf that is a comparison, then this board is a smaller polished version of the Microsoft Sculpt
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Esrille New but polished, i love itIMHO, the only thing common between this and Esrille New is that both of them are tented.
Edit: Freudian slip. gah.
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Do you plan to engrave calligraphy fonts? Like AliceI don't think I will do something calligraphic since it doesn't suit the knight rider reference or the stealth bomber look but I will consider doing some sort of engraving.
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Post by: walie on Sun, 21 June 2020, 09:18:58
Finally someone running in-stock instead of the ****ty GB model. Will definitely grab one
Lmfao it’s gonna be limited stock. Gonna sell out in 30 seconds.
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Post by: BuddhaBen on Sun, 21 June 2020, 10:40:53
After buying 7V, the matching aesthetic of the design in this is a must buy for me.
Post by: lukelex on Sun, 21 June 2020, 12:11:20
I'd rather try my luck with limited stock than hand my money over and maybe get a board 1 year later.Finally someone running in-stock instead of the ****ty GB model. Will definitely grab one
Lmfao it’s gonna be limited stock. Gonna sell out in 30 seconds.
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Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 21 June 2020, 12:29:04
I mean really most GBs deliver. Very few have failed, especially as of late. And it's usually 6 months at most. Not a year. GB is an awesome thing for the community, especially unlimited ones that give someone an actual chance for an awesome board. Especially beginners.I'd rather try my luck with limited stock than hand my money over and maybe get a board 1 year later.Finally someone running in-stock instead of the ****ty GB model. Will definitely grab one
Lmfao it’s gonna be limited stock. Gonna sell out in 30 seconds.
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Please big inventory or GB
Post by: limenx on Sun, 21 June 2020, 15:38:50
Interesting split PCB design, out of curiosity how are both sides bridged together?
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Sun, 21 June 2020, 16:25:09
It’s obvious this is garnering a lot of interest, so really hoping there will be enough for everyoneinb4 50 units fcfs
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sun, 21 June 2020, 16:39:14
Also, I noticed the bottom piece of the case is dark dyed PC. I went back and checked on the GB (I wasn’t lucky enough to snag a 7V) and didn’t see anything about a PC bottom. PC isn’t really cheaper to manufacture than alu, so I was wondering, what’s your aim here? Typing sound?
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Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 21 June 2020, 17:01:38
Gok, you say the mounting method is top mount, and you will experiment in later iterations - so we can hope there will be later iterations..?One is to make it lighter since a tented bottom would make it way too heavy and the other is to light the gap between the aluminium top and stainless steel weight.
Also, I noticed the bottom piece of the case is dark dyed PC. I went back and checked on the GB (I wasn’t lucky enough to snag a 7V) and didn’t see anything about a PC bottom. PC isn’t really cheaper to manufacture than alu, so I was wondering, what’s your aim here? Typing sound?
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Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sun, 21 June 2020, 19:49:59
Great, thanks.Gok, you say the mounting method is top mount, and you will experiment in later iterations - so we can hope there will be later iterations..?One is to make it lighter since a tented bottom would make it way too heavy and the other is to light the gap between the aluminium top and stainless steel weight.
Also, I noticed the bottom piece of the case is dark dyed PC. I went back and checked on the GB (I wasn’t lucky enough to snag a 7V) and didn’t see anything about a PC bottom. PC isn’t really cheaper to manufacture than alu, so I was wondering, what’s your aim here? Typing sound?
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Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 21 June 2020, 20:35:16
Is it possible to move the red led to the middle? I'm really digging this night rider theme. I know it may require some internal wiring from the pcb...The zooming lights are meant to be on the back.. Having that sort of effect on the front would be a bit much in my opinion.
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Post by: gnho on Sun, 21 June 2020, 20:42:31
Is it possible to move the red led to the middle? I'm really digging this night rider theme. I know it may require some internal wiring from the pcb...The zooming lights are meant to be on the back.. Having that sort of effect on the front would be a bit much in my opinion.
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I thought was at the bottom left corner. Yeah it could be too much but people can turn it off, no? Maybe it can do a flash when it's plugged in like how Planck has a sound effect? I know I'm being silly here.
Anyway I'm pro in stock product and would definitely be following this.
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Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 21 June 2020, 21:39:33
The ones on the left are indicator Leds which is separate.Is it possible to move the red led to the middle? I'm really digging this night rider theme. I know it may require some internal wiring from the pcb...The zooming lights are meant to be on the back.. Having that sort of effect on the front would be a bit much in my opinion.
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I thought was at the bottom left corner. Yeah it could be too much but people can turn it off, no? Maybe it can do a flash when it's plugged in like how Planck has a sound effect? I know I'm being silly here.
Anyway I'm pro in stock product and would definitely be following this.
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Post by: ctrl.alt.deee on Tue, 23 June 2020, 01:31:07
After seeing this post, I can confirm that 2 out of the first 3 custom keyboards I will own will be designed by gok.
So thank you for destroying my wallet gok! :'( :thumb:
Post by: Rynxe on Tue, 23 June 2020, 04:06:28
Is there a discord server for more information?
I second this question.
Post by: vi0till on Tue, 23 June 2020, 04:08:31
I dont have the link, but you can join deskeys discord.Is there a discord server for more information?
I second this question.
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Post by: Rynxe on Tue, 23 June 2020, 04:12:21
I dont have the link, but you can join deskeys discord.Is there a discord server for more information?
I second this question.
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Noted, thanks! :thumb:
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Post by: ddrfraser1 on Wed, 24 June 2020, 12:13:44
Would love to see more renders of different colors and keycap combos!
Post by: RaiKami on Wed, 24 June 2020, 14:55:58
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 24 June 2020, 15:14:42
What keycaps are used on the render?It's just the white on black colourway. You can get GMK White on Black from Drop.com (http://Drop.com) or the Enjoypbt Abs version from KBDfans.
My vote would be for the GMK version.
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Post by: kergium on Thu, 25 June 2020, 01:40:29
Time to save up.
I love this board, probably going to get it as my first alice.
Post by: leexy on Thu, 25 June 2020, 01:51:03
It’s obvious this is garnering a lot of interest, so really hoping there will be enough for everyoneinb4 50 units fcfs
sold out in? 1 sec
lol
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 25 June 2020, 12:44:01
I love a good race ;D ;DIt’s obvious this is garnering a lot of interest, so really hoping there will be enough for everyoneinb4 50 units fcfs
sold out in? 1 sec
lol
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 25 June 2020, 18:56:14
First off, I freaking love this!! I am a big fan of the alice layout and have a Rukia on order. My only complaint with this is the spacebars are opposite of the alice(and all other clones) layout. I would love to see the space bars/mods flipped so the thumb fn key is on the left hand. Maybe that is just preference? Maybe because I am a right hand space bar user? That aside, the addition of more COOL LOOKING ergo layouts in the community are making my wrists and eyes very happy!
Indeed, it's because you're a right thumb space user. Us lefties would prefer it stay the way it is. But hopefully you should be good with the 1u+2.25u right space configuration?
Post by: Zilleon on Fri, 26 June 2020, 00:48:25
Sounds like it is gonna be hard though...
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Post by: Aevyn on Fri, 26 June 2020, 02:55:52
As a lefty and a gamer I've found no issues using the smaller spacebar. I personally set right spacebar to backspace so it's easier for me to type.First off, I freaking love this!! I am a big fan of the alice layout and have a Rukia on order. My only complaint with this is the spacebars are opposite of the alice(and all other clones) layout. I would love to see the space bars/mods flipped so the thumb fn key is on the left hand. Maybe that is just preference? Maybe because I am a right hand space bar user? That aside, the addition of more COOL LOOKING ergo layouts in the community are making my wrists and eyes very happy!
Indeed, it's because you're a right thumb space user. Us lefties would prefer it stay the way it is. But hopefully you should be good with the 1u+2.25u right space configuration?
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Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 28 June 2020, 00:09:12
I know it's still early, but are there any rough estimates as to the price?Information will be posted in the OP when ready.
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Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sun, 28 June 2020, 04:30:59
Mentioned 3-4 times already, and I would like to +1 on it: fitting wrist rest would be awesome.+1 for me too. I asked for a wrist rest for Gondo’s Sagittarius, but I can’t remember doing so here.
...and IMO this is a very classy design, but if I’m feeling silly, I may want some Knight Rider dashboard key artisans..? Maybe Turbo Boost instead of Escape, and Super Pursuit Mode for Tab..?
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Post by: Curin Derwin on Tue, 30 June 2020, 05:41:37
What layouts are you offering?
Post by: TameFlame on Tue, 30 June 2020, 17:37:50
I'm partial to believe, we have somewhat similar typing habits, based on your deviations from the standard Alice layout - which I can only give a large thumbs up.
I'd be very interested in the possibility of participating in a groupbuy, but realistically only with a European or possibly Chinese vendor.
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 30 June 2020, 19:36:35
This concept is very appealing to me - my aesthetic senses are pleased, but is there any factual basis for the tented layout in regards to ergonomics, or is it purely for flair?I tend to design things based on personal preferences so with regards to ergonomics, it won't be anything scientific. I will be comparing the tenting against a standard Alice layout board to see in which direction I want to head in or whether I need to make any adjustments to the layout.
I'm partial to believe, we have somewhat similar typing habits, based on your deviations from the standard Alice layout - which I can only give a large thumbs up.
I'd be very interested in the possibility of participating in a groupbuy, but realistically only with a European or possibly Chinese vendor.
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Post by: FlitzDeelman on Wed, 01 July 2020, 03:22:53
Given what’s happening these days (NK65 and Primus crashing and selling out in two minutes), I strongly suggest you take the group buy route instead or I predict a lot of people are going to be disappointed. I know this will be more expensive but still, designers seem to underestimate the new popularity of this hobby.I’m a bit taken aback by the Primus quick sell-out as well. But I’m a relative newcomer, so maybe I’m part of what’s causing pain here.
I think Louis / IlumKB had something like 650 slots, though I don’t know how many slots he reserved for the upcoming Taeha Types stream. And most of Europe / America was asleep too!
GB sounds good, or repeated batches of 100 / 200 units every month for a few months. It depends on how much work Deskeys and Gok can put into making up orders repeatedly.
I guess Gok will really want some time to design new boards too. We’d want that as well.
Gok, can we clone you?
Or maybe we need you to be the next Mekanisk / Rama?! (...hopefully slightly quicker than Rama at present.)
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Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 01 July 2020, 08:59:16
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Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:37:57
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:52:42
I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.Yeah, I'd rather production numbers be low to make sure the entire process goes smoothly and stays on schedule
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
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Post by: hkhawk on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:20:05
I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
What about a raffle then?
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 01 July 2020, 19:10:28
I'm thinking of having split with fcfs, raffle and a small number a a vickrey.I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
What about a raffle then?
Post by: Axariel on Wed, 01 July 2020, 19:55:27
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 01 July 2020, 21:12:44
I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
People will complain about FCFS being problematic due to botting and raffle suffers from multiple entries so there isn't really a perfect answer.
Post by: RossLocke18 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 21:19:20
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:30:42
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
Sounds good, thanks!
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Post by: lolafineday on Thu, 02 July 2020, 05:21:31
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Post by: le_wraith on Thu, 02 July 2020, 10:36:37
I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
People will complain about FCFS being problematic due to botting and raffle suffers from multiple entries so there isn't really a perfect answer.
Isn't all-raffle (or Vickrey) the best way? I feel like it's at least somewhat easier to weed out multiple raffle entries than to deal with bots.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 02 July 2020, 11:21:26
The Vickrey auction is the tried and true way of the capitalist, but a lot of people complain about it because it tends to ice out people with no money.I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
People will complain about FCFS being problematic due to botting and raffle suffers from multiple entries so there isn't really a perfect answer.
Isn't all-raffle (or Vickrey) the best way? I feel like it's at least somewhat easier to weed out multiple raffle entries than to deal with bots.
I think raffles are always the safest way to not piss people off.
I still vote for an expensive FCFS, but it's not like my vote matters
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 02 July 2020, 13:27:43
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 02 July 2020, 13:41:29
Vickrey is basically the same as buying stuff from r/mm flippers, IMO.The difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 02 July 2020, 13:44:00
The difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 02 July 2020, 14:20:40
Vickrey is very pro consumer. It's literally the consumers in the auction deciding the price/value of the product, and then paying less then what they decidedThe difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 02 July 2020, 14:56:14
I don't agree with this. All this means is people who're more successful in life (read as earn a lot) get extraordinary bigger chances in acquiring a product. People who earn/willing-to-spend substantially less are getting screwed way harder than in any other way of selling. All means of selling product that is extremely limited is flawed in some sort of way. FCFS: blink and your chance is gone, also promotes rampant flipping; Raffle: you can never be sure that you will win one; Vickrey basically screws people who are not whales.Vickrey is very pro consumer. It's literally the consumers in the auction deciding the price/value of the product, and then paying less then what they decidedThe difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
Post by: prizeS on Thu, 02 July 2020, 15:02:38
I don't agree with this. All this means is people who're more successful in life (read as earn a lot) get extraordinary bigger chances in acquiring a product. People who earn/willing-to-spend substantially less are getting screwed way harder than in any other way of selling. All means of selling product that is extremely limited is flawed in some sort of way. FCFS: blink and your chance is gone, also promotes rampant flipping; Raffle: you can never be sure that you will win one; Vickrey basically screws people who are not whales.Vickrey is very pro consumer. It's literally the consumers in the auction deciding the price/value of the product, and then paying less then what they decidedThe difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
that's why something like what hiney's doing - having a raffle and also a vickrey auction - is fair as it allows for people with the means to go all out to pay what the top 10% of the market would pay. there's no perfect model for something when the demand is that much higher than the supply, though.
Post by: hkhawk on Thu, 02 July 2020, 15:25:12
The Vickrey auction is the tried and true way of the capitalist, but a lot of people complain about it because it tends to ice out people with no money.I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
People will complain about FCFS being problematic due to botting and raffle suffers from multiple entries so there isn't really a perfect answer.
Ooh, that's a good compromise - the in stock sale is a higher price than the raffle. That seems to minimize the incentive to bot the in stock sale while also allowing everyone a chance in the raffle.
Isn't all-raffle (or Vickrey) the best way? I feel like it's at least somewhat easier to weed out multiple raffle entries than to deal with bots.
I think raffles are always the safest way to not piss people off.
I still vote for an expensive FCFS, but it's not like my vote matters
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Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sat, 04 July 2020, 01:13:44
One is to make it lighter since a tented bottom would make it way too heavy and the other is to light the gap between the aluminium top and stainless steel weight.
And the lights will sweep like Knight Rider, right?
So you are in fact saying you’ll sell this as a... wait for it... keyboard KITT?? Badum-tish!
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Thu, 16 July 2020, 07:44:24
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
Post by: pcire on Thu, 16 July 2020, 16:23:04
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
+1
Post by: hkhawk on Thu, 16 July 2020, 17:10:22
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
Agreed
Post by: N0GLUT0N on Thu, 16 July 2020, 18:52:05
+1Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
Agreed
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Post by: vincenttngo1 on Thu, 16 July 2020, 19:03:02
Post by: keyberzerker on Fri, 17 July 2020, 05:47:54
Everyone gets chance and it is best all-round choice
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 17 July 2020, 08:14:01
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Post by: xine007 on Fri, 17 July 2020, 13:26:07
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
The limited number of units that the manufacturer wants to make is probably the reason. gok might have enough funds to produce all the units that the manufacturer is willing to make this time without a GB, and then it's less stressful to sell a finished product than to accept money for an unfinished product (especially given the machining difficulties that were mentioned).
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Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 20 July 2020, 14:32:56
Hi gok - just my 2c - I'd love to see a 3/1/3 bottom row support. thanks as always and whatever you decide, i'd be in.I guess if I remove 2.75u space altogether it would allow me to offer 3u or 2u+1 on the left but I don't think there is enough room on the right because it's already really close to the fold line.
EDIT: I could change the right spacebar to 3u which splits to 1+2 as well and would appease those that use their right thumb for spacebar. The problem then becomes keyset support where there are currently no GMK sets that I know of which offer 3u spacebars.
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 21 July 2020, 14:53:04
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 21 July 2020, 15:10:19
Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?Hehe no, we all out here with the same chance
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
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Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 21 July 2020, 16:22:47
Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?I'll definitely run this more than once due to the lower volume that can be run each time.
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
The question is whether I keep the options the same for each round or not.
On another note, the PCBs are finally in the queue for production so I should have a functional prototype by next month. In the mean-time, I will be working on designing an adjustable testing rig so I can quickly try out different layouts + tenting & angle options.
Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 21 July 2020, 16:28:36
Definetely would be interested in more colors for the case.Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?I'll definitely run this more than once due to the lower volume that can be run each time.
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
The question is whether I keep the options the same for each round or not.
On another note, the PCBs are finally in the queue for production so I should have a functional prototype by next month. In the mean-time, I will be working on designing an adjustable testing rig so I can quickly try out different layouts + tenting & angle options.
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Post by: Axariel on Tue, 21 July 2020, 18:44:34
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Post by: leexy on Tue, 21 July 2020, 21:11:57
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
this makes sense since most who didn't join 7v aren't likely to buy this (due to price)
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 21 July 2020, 21:56:30
Post by: hkhawk on Tue, 21 July 2020, 23:48:33
Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
Yes, this! Haha!
Post by: syke on Thu, 23 July 2020, 06:59:07
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 23 July 2020, 07:55:30
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
He said it's difficult to manufacture and the company they're working with has advised them to run smaller amounts at a time. Thus, they're running them to their liking and selling in-stock FCFS. Indicated they intend to run more than once if all goes well.
Post by: orim23 on Thu, 23 July 2020, 08:16:52
FCFS means its gone in 30sec. Lots of disappointed people. Also i personally like the fact that with GB you order a board and like a year later it turns up. Makes the whole hobby relaxed. While in Stock FCFS makes the whole thing more fast paced and more competitive.Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
He said it's difficult to manufacture and the company they're working with has advised them to run smaller amounts at a time. Thus, they're running them to their liking and selling in-stock FCFS. Indicated they intend to run more than once if all goes well.
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 23 July 2020, 08:52:12
But who doesn't like a little race and competition?FCFS means its gone in 30sec. Lots of disappointed people. Also i personally like the fact that with GB you order a board and like a year later it turns up. Makes the whole hobby relaxed. While in Stock FCFS makes the whole thing more fast paced and more competitive.Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
He said it's difficult to manufacture and the company they're working with has advised them to run smaller amounts at a time. Thus, they're running them to their liking and selling in-stock FCFS. Indicated they intend to run more than once if all goes well.
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Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 23 July 2020, 08:52:20
FCFS means its gone in 30sec. Lots of disappointed people. Also i personally like the fact that with GB you order a board and like a year later it turns up. Makes the whole hobby relaxed. While in Stock FCFS makes the whole thing more fast paced and more competitive.Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
He said it's difficult to manufacture and the company they're working with has advised them to run smaller amounts at a time. Thus, they're running them to their liking and selling in-stock FCFS. Indicated they intend to run more than once if all goes well.
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I mean, I understand your point, I'm simply sharing what was said earlier in the thread. There are pros and cons of each method and believe OP will take them into account and come up with a solution they're comfortable with.
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Thu, 23 July 2020, 08:59:15
But who doesn't like a little race and competition?
Me. I’d rather just get my paws on that board.
But I get that demand is crazy now. I’ll take my chances with what Gok can manage. If I have the money at that time.
For what it’s worth, I think the Tind raffle as run by LeandreN was nice though - enough time to fill out the form and get it right. I missed out, but it was OK. With the Tind I’m fairly sure he’ll have one next year again, and he mentioned a TKL recently...
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:41:48
On another note, the PCBs are finally in the queue for production so I should have a functional prototype by next month. In the mean-time, I will be working on designing an adjustable testing rig so I can quickly try out different layouts + tenting & angle options.Any updates on this?
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:57:06
That comment was posted 2 days agoOn another note, the PCBs are finally in the queue for production so I should have a functional prototype by next month. In the mean-time, I will be working on designing an adjustable testing rig so I can quickly try out different layouts + tenting & angle options.Any updates on this?
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 23 July 2020, 18:40:26
I somehow read July as June, wow.
Sorry for the ping.
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Post by: Zephyraeon on Thu, 23 July 2020, 19:35:57
Hi gok - just my 2c - I'd love to see a 3/1/3 bottom row support. thanks as always and whatever you decide, i'd be in.I guess if I remove 2.75u space altogether it would allow me to offer 3u or 2u+1 on the left but I don't think there is enough room on the right because it's already really close to the fold line.
EDIT: I could change the right spacebar to 3u which splits to 1+2 as well and would appease those that use their right thumb for spacebar. The problem then becomes keyset support where there are currently no GMK sets that I know of which offer 3u spacebars.
For keycap compatibility if you changed left side to 3u or 2u+1u and kept right side as is, most existing spacebar kits would be compatible (2x1u, 1x2u, 1x2.25u) but it would give the option of people having long spacebar or not on the left. Also with those lengths there would a symmetrical 0.5u overhang on both sides.
Alternatively keep as is but give left side 1.75u+1u compatibility, I think 1.75u spacebars are about as easy to find as 3u but there won't be doubling up of stab holes (and most sets would have an extra 1.75u shift as 1.25u shift is used for split right shift for type-k).
I'll be trying for one of these regardless but would appreciate an option that was a bit easier to fill with existing keycap set design.
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 23 July 2020, 20:44:07
Regarding the symmetrical aspect, dual 3u would actually be more symmetrical (I had to cheat before on the right side by sliding the 3 keys towards the alpha a bit to pull it away from the ridge of the tent).Hi gok - just my 2c - I'd love to see a 3/1/3 bottom row support. thanks as always and whatever you decide, i'd be in.I guess if I remove 2.75u space altogether it would allow me to offer 3u or 2u+1 on the left but I don't think there is enough room on the right because it's already really close to the fold line.
EDIT: I could change the right spacebar to 3u which splits to 1+2 as well and would appease those that use their right thumb for spacebar. The problem then becomes keyset support where there are currently no GMK sets that I know of which offer 3u spacebars.
For keycap compatibility if you changed left side to 3u or 2u+1u and kept right side as is, most existing spacebar kits would be compatible (2x1u, 1x2u, 1x2.25u) but it would give the option of people having long spacebar or not on the left. Also with those lengths there would a symmetrical 0.5u overhang on both sides.
Alternatively keep as is but give left side 1.75u+1u compatibility, I think 1.75u spacebars are about as easy to find as 3u but there won't be doubling up of stab holes (and most sets would have an extra 1.75u shift as 1.25u shift is used for split right shift for type-k).
I'll be trying for one of these regardless but would appreciate an option that was a bit easier to fill with existing keycap set design.
1.75 isn't good because it is not a stabilised key so it wouldn't work well for spacebars.
I understand your concern about keyset compatibility but this is a bit of a case of trying to establish trends because I believe that 3u spacebars are better than 2.25 and 2.
Post by: Kalabalik on Thu, 23 July 2020, 20:56:28
Someone has to go first.
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 24 July 2020, 00:35:37
Keycap set designers don't want two include 3u spacebars in their sets because there are basically no keyboards that support them. Keyboard designers don't want to support 3u spacebars because there are basically no keycap sets that include 3u spacebars.You don't have to. You can do 1x 3u and 2u +1u on the other side. Aside from the sets that I already run, I've been speaking to a prominent keycap designer and they plan to include 3u on their GMK sets as well.
Someone has to go first.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 July 2020, 04:49:27
Alternatively keep as is but give left side 1.75u+1u compatibility, I think 1.75u spacebars are about as easy to find as 3u but there won't be doubling up of stab holes (and most sets would have an extra 1.75u shift as 1.25u shift is used for split right shift for type-k).
1.75u space is no good because it's a 40s-only size, so a lot of sets don't include it (justifiably so). 3u / 2u+1u is a better solution.
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Post by: Zephyraeon on Fri, 24 July 2020, 17:33:55
Alternatively keep as is but give left side 1.75u+1u compatibility, I think 1.75u spacebars are about as easy to find as 3u but there won't be doubling up of stab holes (and most sets would have an extra 1.75u shift as 1.25u shift is used for split right shift for type-k).
1.75u space is no good because it's a 40s-only size, so a lot of sets don't include it (justifiably so). 3u / 2u+1u is a better solution.
But 3u spacebars aren't usually in 40s *or* spacebar kits. I trust gok's judgment so I'll be buying extra kits for 3u spacebars as none of my spacebar kits came with any (although I have a few 1.75u spacebars...). Hopefully more designers will include 3u spacebars as gok has suggested so it's not too much of a problem going forward. We're going to have to wait at least a year so have plenty of time to find what we need.
Just a bit bummed because I like to do secondary ALPS builds for my keyboards (although expecting the included PCB won't support ALPS), and it's going to be extremely tough finding compatibility with ALPS keycaps with this layout.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 July 2020, 17:44:51
But 3u spacebars aren't usually in 40s *or* spacebar kits. I trust gok's judgment so I'll be buying extra kits for 3u spacebars as none of my spacebar kits came with any (although I have a few 1.75u spacebars...). Hopefully more designers will include 3u spacebars as gok has suggested so it's not too much of a problem going forward. We're going to have to wait at least a year so have plenty of time to find what we need.
Several GMK sets have already included 3u keys in their spacebars kits, and more are following suit. It's a fairly recent development (2020), but it's gaining popularity.
Post by: mrpetrov on Fri, 24 July 2020, 18:19:00
Post by: julianz on Fri, 24 July 2020, 22:48:56
Hey, just wondering why on the left side, the Q and A stagger is almost ortholinear while the A and Z stagger is closer to a 0.5u distance?
My personal 2cents is, for the left hand the bottom row of alphas is kinda far, with the B key being a key that really far and i keep making mistakes with that key. Not sure if you feel the same
Would it make more sense to shift the Z to the left more? And then the XCVB keys can also move leftwards and be closer to the F key
Anyways hope you have a good day! Looking forward to the keeb nonetheless
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 25 July 2020, 01:15:11
(Attachment Link)The simple answer is that it was just how it ended up after preserving the stagger of the main keys in the middle.
Hey, just wondering why on the left side, the Q and A stagger is almost ortholinear while the A and Z stagger is closer to a 0.5u distance?
My personal 2cents is, for the left hand the bottom row of alphas is kinda far, with the B key being a key that really far and i keep making mistakes with that key. Not sure if you feel the same
Would it make more sense to shift the Z to the left more? And then the XCVB keys can also move leftwards and be closer to the F key
Anyways hope you have a good day! Looking forward to the keeb nonetheless
It's an interesting thought though. The issue that I can see will be the effect it has on the 4th key on the left column since I don't want to push it out further since it would make the tenting point taller. I guess the left shift could shrink but that sort of opens up a cna of worms and you also need to think about what effect that has on the right side since you'd want it balanced.
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 25 July 2020, 02:56:46
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Hey, just wondering why on the left side, the Q and A stagger is almost ortholinear while the A and Z stagger is closer to a 0.5u distance?
My personal 2cents is, for the left hand the bottom row of alphas is kinda far, with the B key being a key that really far and i keep making mistakes with that key. Not sure if you feel the same
Would it make more sense to shift the Z to the left more? And then the XCVB keys can also move leftwards and be closer to the F key
This looks like pretty standard stagger for the ZXCV row. W, E, R etc. are also staggered correctly. I wouldn't touch it. Q is the only key that's slightly off, but I think that will hardly be a problem.
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Post by: menuhin on Tue, 04 August 2020, 04:09:35
I've always thought the Alice keyboard design looks quite ugly to my eyes, and I found it quite intriguing that it sells so well. And most of the Alice variants, e.g. with arrow cluster look even more bizarre and imbalanced.
However, perhaps I've seen so many posts about the Alice design, and perhaps it's GOK - this design has achieved a degree of elegance and balance that I finally found it looks appealing.
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Post by: break on Tue, 04 August 2020, 10:35:27
thank u for ur valuable opinion
And thank you for your uselessly snarky contribution to this thread.
I've to express my unpopular keyboard option amidst the current trend:
I've always thought the Alice keyboard design looks quite ugly to my eyes, and I found it quite intriguing that it sells so well. And most of the Alice variants, e.g. with arrow cluster look even more bizarre and imbalanced.
However, perhaps I've seen so many posts about the Alice design, and perhaps it's GOK - this design has achieved a degree of elegance and balance that I finally found it looks appealing.
I agree, for what it's worth. Alice layouts have an interesting core - split, tilted alphas on a single physical unit - but some of the updates miss the mark and look unbalanced or overdesigned. I'm not sure if it's tenting, the bottom row layout or the narrower side bezels, but Type K really seems to hit the mark.
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Post by: fabijolo on Sun, 09 August 2020, 11:24:15
Aluminium bottom is better，balance the center of gravity！
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 09 August 2020, 14:01:59
I'm interested, prefer space bar on the right though (like many others).The next revision will come with 3u spacebars that can be split into 2u + 1u so you can have the full spacebar on either side.
With regards to the bottom being aluminium, I think that would make it far too heavy for a wedged shaped board because it would be really difficult to pick up.
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 14 August 2020, 23:49:41
Some minor updates to the OP with regards to plans on changes to the design.
Post by: hkhawk on Sat, 15 August 2020, 00:37:54
Post by: Visionaire on Sat, 15 August 2020, 08:37:44
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 15 August 2020, 13:35:12
Its so cruel to have the money sitting here waiting and yet no way to give it to you for this! :)
Well, then you can PM OP and fund him for his prototyping process if you have so much $ sitting and so much incentive to use your $ to make this project happens :cool: :D
Post by: Visionaire on Sat, 15 August 2020, 18:33:16
Its so cruel to have the money sitting here waiting and yet no way to give it to you for this! :)
Well, then you can PM OP and fund him for his prototyping process if you have so much $ sitting and so much incentive to use your $ to make this project happens :cool: :D
If it would guarantee me a board, I'd be happy to help ;)
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 16 August 2020, 15:24:59
Its so cruel to have the money sitting here waiting and yet no way to give it to you for this! :)
Well, then you can PM OP and fund him for his prototyping process if you have so much $ sitting and so much incentive to use your $ to make this project happens :cool: :D
If it would guarantee me a board, I'd be happy to help ;)
True, some GB runners have early-bird supporters this way, similar to kickstarters.
I'm sure gok has a good enough reputation to get support for his prototyping.
Post by: krey on Sun, 16 August 2020, 23:46:38
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Post by: samuelcc on Mon, 07 September 2020, 05:16:37
Hope there's enough quantity so everyone that like it can get one.
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Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 22 September 2020, 05:43:39
Any idea on Pricing?It's still up in the air.
On another note, I've updated the IC with new renders (aside from the exploded view) of the revised design and layout.
In short, dual 3u spacebars and a 7-degree tent.
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Tue, 22 September 2020, 06:05:54
Any idea on Pricing?It's still up in the air.
On another note, I've updated the IC with new renders (aside from the exploded view) of the revised design and layout.
In short, dual 3u spacebars and a 7-degree tent.
Thanks Gok.
Post by: Ben2707 on Wed, 23 September 2020, 04:25:26
So far, this is the ONLY ergo that I have ever wanted. That combo of black, smokey pc, and stainless steel is so hot.
Ditto
Post by: beekey on Wed, 23 September 2020, 10:07:53
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Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 23 September 2020, 15:50:40
Wondering about the reason to split 3u, with the bigger 2u on the outside and the 1u on the inside. Would not 1u 2u 2u 1u be more "natural"? I typically use the inner most keys as space. How do others do this?It is more about thumb placement. The middle of a traditional spacebar is centred on the B key but depending on whether you use your left hand or right hand for spacebar, it would typically land between V-B or around N respectively.
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Post by: dom on Fri, 02 October 2020, 21:05:13
Any chance of arrow keys? Would love this as a productivity board for work
Please believe me, once you finally get this board in your hands (after a year), you'll prefer boards without arrows ;)
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 02 October 2020, 21:25:35
Any chance of arrow keys? Would love this as a productivity board for workthis would destroy the symmetry and aesthetic imho
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 03 October 2020, 04:05:15
Any chance of arrow keys? Would love this as a productivity board for work
Pretty much zero chance. Split spacebar 60% have enough keys and this even has an extra column so that tilde can be in its natural position.
If you are using left hand + mouse for productivity, you are better off with a non-split board.
I've got a minor update which is that I have finished the CAD design for the wrist-rest. I've added a render of it.
I will probably be ordering the next prototype in a couple of weeks.
Post by: krey on Sat, 03 October 2020, 09:14:15
i never owned an ergo so i'm not familiar how it works. what keys do people generally use in the layers to access the up, down, left and right keys?
Post by: tacahiroy on Sat, 03 October 2020, 09:24:44
i'm thinking the concept is this is amazing.As a Vim user, I basically use LOWER (left thumb) + hjkl, coz arrow keys are far away from the home position.
i never owned an ergo so i'm not familiar how it works. what keys do people generally use in the layers to access the up, down, left and right keys?
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Post by: Gnarled on Sun, 04 October 2020, 18:31:29
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 04 October 2020, 19:59:40
Make the wristrest smoky-black PC! If it's a KR inspo, then it's the tinted windshield.Smokey PC is nice but scuffs are really obvious on it which is why I try to avoid using it on exposed faces and a wrist rest would be prone to wear and tear.
Post by: Gnarled on Mon, 05 October 2020, 03:49:52
Make the wristrest smoky-black PC! If it's a KR inspo, then it's the tinted windshield.Smokey PC is nice but scuffs are really obvious on it which is why I try to avoid using it on exposed faces and a wrist rest would be prone to wear and tear.
Hm. What about epoxy resin? If I'm not mistaken, higher scratch resistance and easy maintenance if need be.
Post by: shensmobile on Mon, 05 October 2020, 17:36:16
Wondering about the reason to split 3u, with the bigger 2u on the outside and the 1u on the inside. Would not 1u 2u 2u 1u be more "natural"? I typically use the inner most keys as space. How do others do this?It is more about thumb placement. The middle of a traditional spacebar is centred on the B key but depending on whether you use your left hand or right hand for spacebar, it would typically land between V-B or around N respectively.
To be fair, with the 2u-1u-1u-2u split you have now, the edge of the spacebar is between V-B.
Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 05 October 2020, 19:02:11
Yeah, you are right. You wouldn't be splitting your dominant side though and I'd rather have the extra key towards the centre which is the traditional placement for the extra split key.Wondering about the reason to split 3u, with the bigger 2u on the outside and the 1u on the inside. Would not 1u 2u 2u 1u be more "natural"? I typically use the inner most keys as space. How do others do this?It is more about thumb placement. The middle of a traditional spacebar is centred on the B key but depending on whether you use your left hand or right hand for spacebar, it would typically land between V-B or around N respectively.
To be fair, with the 2u-1u-1u-2u split you have now, the edge of the spacebar is between V-B.
Post by: shensmobile on Tue, 06 October 2020, 00:58:57
To be fair, with the 2u-1u-1u-2u split you have now, the edge of the spacebar is between V-B.Yeah, you are right. You wouldn't be splitting your dominant side though and I'd rather have the extra key towards the centre which is the traditional placement for the extra split key.
That's fair. It might just be me, but I really do prefer the look of 2u-1.25u + 2.75u spacebars on these Alice keyboards. Staggered is already non-symmetrical by nature, the bizarre split of the spacebar keys just gives it... a unique flair.
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 06 October 2020, 07:36:36
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 06 October 2020, 13:06:54
Reckon the use of a wrist rest will be a must when typing on this keyboard? Asking since I'm not a fan of wrist rests.I don't usually use them but I found it nice when using the Microsoft sculpt ergo.
I don't think it's a must though.
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 06 October 2020, 13:31:01
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 06 October 2020, 15:06:34
Sorry if this has been shared elsewhere, but what's the range of the height on the front? Desktop to lip of the keyboard? Curious especially about the high point (thinking about the need for the wrist rest).It's close to 35mm high at the apex of the front without bumpons.
Post by: SenseiJia on Tue, 06 October 2020, 22:34:49
Post by: syke on Thu, 08 October 2020, 11:27:51
Out of curiosity, why is 6 on the left half of the keyboard, shouldn't it be on the right?
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 08 October 2020, 13:43:09
The only keyboard that i will buy this year.If you take B is the actual centre of the alphas, it will be slightly towards the left.
Out of curiosity, why is 6 on the left half of the keyboard, shouldn't it be on the right?
This is proven by the fact that it would cross the tented ridge line if it were on the right half.
Post by: neilli on Mon, 12 October 2020, 09:12:30
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Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 09:45:58
What is the estimated timeline for this keyboard?Think he said after 7v delivers
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Post by: whykayallday on Tue, 20 October 2020, 18:40:59
Going to have to practice using left shift more though because that right shift is really small.
edit: I was worried about keycap compatibility but I just found out that ISO utilizes 1.25 shift.
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 20 October 2020, 18:58:23
As someone who uses the alice layout daily this is a grail.If you are comfortable with using your thumb for Fn, you could use a 2.25u on your right shift instead of splitting it.
Going to have to practice using left shift more though because that right shift is really small.
edit: I was worried about keycap compatibility but I just found out that ISO utilizes 1.25 shift.
Post by: captainscurvy7 on Fri, 23 October 2020, 12:04:20
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Post by: DasGnome on Fri, 23 October 2020, 18:53:13
Post by: quazikun on Fri, 23 October 2020, 18:55:14
Isn't the name "Type K" a bit close the existing "K-Type" lolDiscussed in OP lol
Post by: DasGnome on Fri, 23 October 2020, 19:19:49
Isn't the name "Type K" a bit close the existing "K-Type" lolDiscussed in OP lol
Reading comprehension fail. Still a bad idea for them imo from a product-recognizability standpoint.
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 23 October 2020, 19:56:19
I'm not concerned about that at all since the Type K isn't meant to be a mass market product.Isn't the name "Type K" a bit close the existing "K-Type" lolDiscussed in OP lol
Reading comprehension fail. Still a bad idea for them imo from a product-recognizability standpoint.
I have to admit that I'm not good at names though.
Post by: ttttug on Sun, 25 October 2020, 10:18:03
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Post by: Visionaire on Sat, 31 October 2020, 22:01:21
The only board I've currently got my eyes on (and actually looking to pick up if the opportunity arises).
Aside from the Phase, of course. :)
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Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 19 November 2020, 19:01:29
Does this mobo have ISO support for the left shift? think this woudl look insane with GMK Stealth!Nope, I have used left ISO shift as the split r-shift. Non-split is 2.25 that 660 layouts use.
On another note, the next proto & wrist-rest has been ordered.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 19 November 2020, 19:08:40
...
On another note, the next proto & wrist-rest has been ordered.
Wild! I can't wait.
Post by: RaiKami on Thu, 19 November 2020, 19:11:31
Does this mobo have ISO support for the left shift? think this woudl look insane with GMK Stealth!
On another note, the next proto & wrist-rest has been ordered.
Super excited to see it.
Post by: santela on Fri, 20 November 2020, 05:58:41
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 20 November 2020, 12:32:45
Two 3u spacebars look better than one 3u and one 2u+1u, but that would mean buying two spacebar kits just for the 3u... Nice things come at a price I guess.That's pretty much what I've done. Daily Clack has the space keys up for preorder currently. It is a bit more expensive that GB price but will be cheaper than the extras.
EDIT: Layout preview has been updated. Hard to see the differences but the bend is now 10 degrees rather than the 12 of the original Alice which has forced some adjustments with some of the spacings and alignments. The key-sizes and compatibility remain the same.
Post by: Digmo on Sat, 21 November 2020, 06:46:09
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sat, 21 November 2020, 09:41:14
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 21 November 2020, 13:22:06
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sat, 21 November 2020, 14:04:29
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Awesome, thanks!
Post by: hpetrovski on Sat, 21 November 2020, 20:39:58
Either way, best of luck to you guys, this is honestly the most beautiful and unique board I've seen this year.
Post by: santela on Sat, 21 November 2020, 23:10:47
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 21 November 2020, 23:25:19
The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
Post by: santela on Sat, 21 November 2020, 23:26:31
The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
Noted. Thanks. Now I just gotta figure out how to get an extra B lol
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 22 November 2020, 00:37:57
I don't actually use 2 B keycaps - I instead use a RAMA thermal R4 cap as you can see in the photos.The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
Noted. Thanks. Now I just gotta figure out how to get an extra B lol
Other people just use the 00 key from the numpad.
EDIT: I've just realised that none of the photos show the RAMA cap.
Here is a link to it (https://www.instagram.com/p/CB6wtoPnJ4M/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link).
Below is another shot of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/57hbHnw.jpg)
Post by: santela on Sun, 22 November 2020, 01:08:20
I don't actually use 2 B keycaps - I instead use a RAMA thermal R4 cap as you can see in the photos.The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
Noted. Thanks. Now I just gotta figure out how to get an extra B lol
Other people just use the 00 key from the numpad.
EDIT: I've just realised that none of the photos show the RAMA cap.
Here is a link to it (https://www.instagram.com/p/CB6wtoPnJ4M/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link).
Below is another shot of it.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/57hbHnw.jpg)
Yeah I guess any novelties will do, but I'm just super anal about having keys that says what it does.
Just purchased 2 spacebar kits from dailyclack, thanks for the heads up. That's half of my problems solved. Now here's hoping I can get one of these beauties.
Post by: darthcapn on Sun, 22 November 2020, 20:28:09
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Post by: Retne on Tue, 24 November 2020, 14:12:04
Now I just need to find a KAT set I like with some 3u bars.
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 24 November 2020, 15:06:46
I keep checking back in on this thread to see if there are updates. I absolutely love the design. Here's to hoping I can actually snag one.There will likely be no updates for until late December while I wait for the next prototype to arrive.
Now I just need to find a KAT set I like with some 3u bars.
Regarding KAT 3u, just check to make sure that it uses actual 3u stabilizers.
I've heard that MT3 for some reason uses 2u stabilizers instead and I have no idea what it is compatible with.
Post by: orpheo on Tue, 24 November 2020, 16:44:10
I want to buy two boards of this ^^
Post by: Drakenocas on Tue, 24 November 2020, 17:29:07
Post by: santela on Thu, 26 November 2020, 10:41:53
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Hey gok, just realized a problem today and was hoping you would probably have asnwers for this. So I got a set of epbt WoB abs set and sourced an extra 3u spacebar from them so I thought I'm all set, then I looked at the bottom of the spacebars and realized they don't use 2u stabilizers. I have never built an ergo before so this never occurred to me, but I'm assuming this is the standard for 3u spacebars?
Now I'm a little confused as I have never seen 3u stabilizers. Is this what the type-K will be using? If so, what stabilizers do you use or recommend for this?
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 26 November 2020, 11:55:47
As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Hey gok, just realized a problem today and was hoping you would probably have asnwers for this. So I got a set of epbt WoB abs set and sourced an extra 3u spacebar from them so I thought I'm all set, then I looked at the bottom of the spacebars and realized they don't use 2u stabilizers. I have never built an ergo before so this never occurred to me, but I'm assuming this is the standard for 3u spacebars?
Now I'm a little confused as I have never seen 3u stabilizers. Is this what the type-K will be using? If so, what stabilizers do you use or recommend for this?
3u is an old size and cherry supplies wires for these. I've actually been using them for a couple of years now because the D060 supports so I have it on my Chiwi60.
Post by: orpheo on Thu, 26 November 2020, 12:50:33
Post by: santela on Thu, 26 November 2020, 18:07:35
As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Hey gok, just realized a problem today and was hoping you would probably have asnwers for this. So I got a set of epbt WoB abs set and sourced an extra 3u spacebar from them so I thought I'm all set, then I looked at the bottom of the spacebars and realized they don't use 2u stabilizers. I have never built an ergo before so this never occurred to me, but I'm assuming this is the standard for 3u spacebars?
Now I'm a little confused as I have never seen 3u stabilizers. Is this what the type-K will be using? If so, what stabilizers do you use or recommend for this?
3u is an old size and cherry supplies wires for these. I've actually been using them for a couple of years now because the D060 supports so I have it on my Chiwi60.
Ok thanks. This is all new to me having never built an ergo.
Post by: Nonnegaard on Fri, 27 November 2020, 18:02:46
If I'm not mistaken, I could simply bend my own wire to do a 3U stab righ?well, yeah, but itll probably sound like sheit
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 29 November 2020, 10:12:26
...As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.
...
So all the MT3 sets cannot use the 3u stabilizers - what size of stabilizers must these MT3 3u keys use?
Post by: Kukulcanvs on Sun, 29 November 2020, 13:28:26
Post by: PizzaForce on Sun, 29 November 2020, 13:40:23
Post by: PeppyToad on Sun, 29 November 2020, 16:16:11
Post by: maximize on Sun, 29 November 2020, 18:25:53
If I'm not mistaken, I could simply bend my own wire to do a 3U stab righ?well, yeah, but itll probably sound like sheit
What makes you think that?
Post by: santela on Mon, 30 November 2020, 00:57:00
...As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.
...
So all the MT3 sets cannot use the 3u stabilizers - what size of stabilizers must these MT3 3u keys use?
Apparently 2u, but this board doesn't support 2u stabs for 3u spacebars. So I guess you can only use 2u spacebars for MT3 sets.
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 30 November 2020, 02:41:48
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 30 November 2020, 09:36:04
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Post by: angelghb on Fri, 11 December 2020, 01:25:19
Post by: Tofuboy on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:29:41
EDIT: Really just want to know the height of the control key at the bottom left of the board.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:31:13
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Post by: Tofuboy on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:35:00
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:37:50
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
i have seen it and i still dislike the layout
Post by: King4477 on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:41:26
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
That Ava looks amazing. Also, Physix is my go-to board for looks and usability at work.
Post by: pleasega on Sat, 12 December 2020, 08:33:29
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
i have seen it and i still dislike the layout
bear65 is nice
Post by: tommyamoszhao on Sat, 12 December 2020, 10:42:19
Post by: funderburker on Mon, 14 December 2020, 05:16:08
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
i have seen it and i still dislike the layout
bear65 is nice
There's no need to convince Puddsy. Each person has their own opinion and preference.
I too like Alice layout more than the current arrowed options out there, just don't try to nudge me to like a board YOU like. Great if Ava and Bear65 is what you prefer, just not for everyone.
Post by: maximize on Mon, 14 December 2020, 21:24:18
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
i have seen it and i still dislike the layout
bear65 is nice
There's no need to convince Puddsy. Each person has their own opinion and preference.
I too like Alice layout more than the current arrowed options out there, just don't try to nudge me to like a board YOU like. Great if Ava and Bear65 is what you prefer, just not for everyone.
I don't understand why you're defending Puddsy, who was literally just deriding someone else's perfectly valid preference for directional keys...
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 15 December 2020, 12:15:28
Post by: hkhawk on Tue, 15 December 2020, 12:23:54
The 2nd prototype is done. Just waiting for the PCBs and cables before they ship to me.
Ooh, exciting!
Post by: of_sam on Tue, 15 December 2020, 14:10:45
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Post by: bthezebra on Thu, 17 December 2020, 19:13:55
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Post by: ephemeral25 on Fri, 18 December 2020, 05:46:48
Also I am hoping a fair amount of units to try to balance the price as much as possible.
Post by: cranedave555 on Fri, 18 December 2020, 10:24:26
Post by: neilli on Fri, 18 December 2020, 10:52:39
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 18 December 2020, 18:11:34
will there be more rounds of prototype?He can’t know whether the prototype needs more iterating until he actually has it in his hands, you get me
Post by: ttttug on Sat, 19 December 2020, 07:08:49
Post by: Retne on Sat, 19 December 2020, 16:24:57
Post by: darthcapn on Sat, 19 December 2020, 18:57:42
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Post by: sweetcheeks on Sat, 19 December 2020, 19:37:57
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Thu, 24 December 2020, 22:56:33
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 26 December 2020, 02:30:56
Sorry if I missed it earlier Gok, but what material will the wrist rest be?The prototype wristrest is black polycarb. Will see if I'm happy with that.
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 26 December 2020, 08:34:45
Sorry if I missed it earlier Gok, but what material will the wrist rest be?The prototype wristrest is black polycarb. Will see if I'm happy with that.
Sounds perfect, I can't wait for this combo.
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sat, 26 December 2020, 14:37:48
Agreed, that sounds good, thanks!Sorry if I missed it earlier Gok, but what material will the wrist rest be?The prototype wristrest is black polycarb. Will see if I'm happy with that.
Sounds perfect, I can't wait for this combo.
Post by: Antvn84 on Mon, 28 December 2020, 10:17:36
Post by: KeyRelic on Mon, 28 December 2020, 13:37:47
Full stealthboard.
Post by: KucherenkoZZZ on Tue, 29 December 2020, 13:28:05
Post by: hkhawk on Tue, 29 December 2020, 14:38:51
I didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
From my understanding Typeplus is Kevinplus' new storefront for MX products while Deskeys is going to focus on Topre products going forward. Typeplus charged me $66.41 for shipping for my Vega to California, USA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Post by: UberPlatypus on Tue, 29 December 2020, 15:03:51
That's insane. Rama from Australia to New York was $53 for the U-80...I didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
From my understanding Typeplus is Kevinplus' new storefront for MX products while Deskeys is going to focus on Topre products going forward. Typeplus charged me $66.41 for shipping for my Vega to California, USA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
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Post by: ZongZiWang on Tue, 29 December 2020, 15:15:50
The base kit is $45.41, and each extra plate/pcb is $7 more, which you probably include 3 of thoseI didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
From my understanding Typeplus is Kevinplus' new storefront for MX products while Deskeys is going to focus on Topre products going forward. Typeplus charged me $66.41 for shipping for my Vega to California, USA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Post by: ZongZiWang on Tue, 29 December 2020, 15:18:46
Typeplus ships from China, and it’s $45 to CA so technically not too much different from Rama?That's insane. Rama from Australia to New York was $53 for the U-80...I didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
From my understanding Typeplus is Kevinplus' new storefront for MX products while Deskeys is going to focus on Topre products going forward. Typeplus charged me $66.41 for shipping for my Vega to California, USA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
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Post by: Techichi on Tue, 29 December 2020, 16:08:04
This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
Post by: Friendship on Fri, 01 January 2021, 11:27:00
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Post by: koolaidpapa on Sun, 10 January 2021, 18:03:19
Post by: santela on Mon, 11 January 2021, 08:02:13
This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 11 January 2021, 13:05:50
This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
I don't think the stealth spacebar kit comes with 3u and since it only comes with 1 set of each spacebar colour, you'd need to go with 2u+1 in both black and the grey.
You'd need to try to get an extra of the spacekeys R2 kit with the CR for this to work properly.
PCBs are done and are enroute to me.
Post by: Schmack on Mon, 11 January 2021, 17:01:45
Post by: santela on Tue, 12 January 2021, 22:13:22
This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
I don't think the stealth spacebar kit comes with 3u and since it only comes with 1 set of each spacebar colour, you'd need to go with 2u+1 in both black and the grey.
You'd need to try to get an extra of the spacekeys R2 kit with the CR for this to work properly.
PCBs are done and are enroute to me.
I got 2 sets of spacekeys CR already per your recommendation. I had to pay for the stealth spacebar kit just for the extra B. feelsbadman
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 12 January 2021, 22:28:05
Instead of the extra B, I'm using a RAMA Thermal cap because they had it in R1 profile. I personally like it better than an actual B for WoB.This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
I don't think the stealth spacebar kit comes with 3u and since it only comes with 1 set of each spacebar colour, you'd need to go with 2u+1 in both black and the grey.
You'd need to try to get an extra of the spacekeys R2 kit with the CR for this to work properly.
PCBs are done and are enroute to me.
I got 2 sets of spacekeys CR already per your recommendation. I had to pay for the stealth spacebar kit just for the extra B. feelsbadman
Post by: santela on Tue, 12 January 2021, 23:10:56
Instead of the extra B, I'm using a RAMA Thermal cap because they had it in R1 profile. I personally like it better than an actual B for WoB.This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
I don't think the stealth spacebar kit comes with 3u and since it only comes with 1 set of each spacebar colour, you'd need to go with 2u+1 in both black and the grey.
You'd need to try to get an extra of the spacekeys R2 kit with the CR for this to work properly.
PCBs are done and are enroute to me.
I got 2 sets of spacekeys CR already per your recommendation. I had to pay for the stealth spacebar kit just for the extra B. feelsbadman
I'm not fortunate enough to have that cap. But just saw GMK gray on black IC and I wish it came out earlier, I would've gotten that instead. Extra B in the basekit is a godsend.
Post by: fira on Fri, 15 January 2021, 12:06:37
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Post by: andreiborisov on Sat, 16 January 2021, 19:28:54
Stunning.
Any rough idea of the price range?
Post by: rottencat on Fri, 22 January 2021, 14:10:54
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Post by: hottrout on Sun, 24 January 2021, 05:08:43
Post by: FootFingers on Wed, 27 January 2021, 09:14:00
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 29 January 2021, 20:08:04
Post by: 7empest on Fri, 29 January 2021, 21:33:57
The main post has been updated with new photos.
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New photos looking amazing, as usual.
I really really like the longer space bars on both sides of this board. I am really hoping I can get lucky enough to get this!!
Great work!
Post by: Visionaire on Fri, 29 January 2021, 22:05:48
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 29 January 2021, 22:12:10
I think you could make 1k of these and I'd still be nervous I wouldn't be able to get one. What an amazing board.
Same, this board looks amazing! Hopefully I can get one!
Post by: krey on Fri, 29 January 2021, 23:41:00
Post by: fabijolo on Sat, 30 January 2021, 00:35:47
Looking forward to possibly getting my hands on one of those beauties in the future!
The main post has been updated with new photos.
Post by: Visionaire on Sat, 30 January 2021, 08:30:21
Post by: dyrdevil on Sat, 30 January 2021, 12:41:08
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 30 January 2021, 14:35:53
Post by: Arithmetics on Sat, 30 January 2021, 15:11:25
So... since you're getting this 2nd prototype in hand now, I'm assuming you haven't ordered the production run yet. PLEASE just GB this thing. <3
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Post by: neilli on Mon, 01 February 2021, 08:16:27
I know technically aftermarket is a solution, but rather giving the money to the author...
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 01 February 2021, 09:02:21
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Post by: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 01 February 2021, 23:13:06
Gorgeous design, I cannot wait for GB to happen soon.GB isn’t planned, Gok plans to sell in-stock. Unless he changed the OP since I last read it. So it will be a while yet.
People have asked for GB, I haven’t seen Gok respond to that.
Post by: redline on Thu, 04 February 2021, 16:44:10
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Post by: redline on Sun, 07 February 2021, 13:20:20
Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 08 February 2021, 01:03:44
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 08 February 2021, 09:25:32
The status has been updated in the main post. There is a link to a survey about whether you want it to be run as a GB or in-stock.Sick, voted limited in-stock, but will be fine with either :thumb: :thumb: Thanks for taking your time with this IC and making sure all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted
Post by: dallman5 on Mon, 08 February 2021, 09:31:51
Post by: Sun on Mon, 08 February 2021, 09:50:18
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 08 February 2021, 09:56:44
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
Post by: dyrdevil on Mon, 08 February 2021, 10:22:38
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 08 February 2021, 10:36:48
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 08 February 2021, 11:06:30
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
Post by: vurtomatic on Mon, 08 February 2021, 11:10:29
Post by: ReverbSlush on Mon, 08 February 2021, 11:36:25
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 08 February 2021, 11:36:59
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
What do you mean that the risk of the GB is on the vendor/runner? The money is fronted by the consumer. If something goes wrong, it's ultimately the consumer that loses the most.
The vendor/designer loses time, but the capital is funded by the consumer.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 08 February 2021, 12:56:48
Yeah. If anything it's just a risk to reputation. Long GB delays, QC issues, and if you want to save face, refunds or replacements. All of which can happen. For a designer that wants to do future runs, or for a vendor that wants to survive, making things right is important. There may no initial financial risk directly, but if they want to continue in the community there kind of is. The larger quantity of a GB only increases the risk of having to fix things.Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
What do you mean that the risk of the GB is on the vendor/runner? The money is fronted by the consumer. If something goes wrong, it's ultimately the consumer that loses the most.
The vendor/designer loses time, but the capital is funded by the consumer.
With in stock you've already seen the boards, and know they exist and their quality, before you take other people's money. Its the far less stressful method, just usually limited by the initial investment.
Post by: Draxion on Mon, 08 February 2021, 13:00:49
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Post by: jpk6134 on Mon, 08 February 2021, 17:54:50
As a child of the 80, seeing this keyboard rekindled my lifelong dream of owning a Knight Industries Two Thousand. Just needs a "turbo boost" artisan :D
Post by: skrunk on Mon, 08 February 2021, 19:28:47
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
What do you mean that the risk of the GB is on the vendor/runner? The money is fronted by the consumer. If something goes wrong, it's ultimately the consumer that loses the most.
The vendor/designer loses time, but the capital is funded by the consumer.
I think it's fair to say that both the vendor/designer and the consumer have an insane amount of risk. We've seen some GB runners go into debt because they couldn't deliver a GB properly.
For me, I'm voting for a GB run over in-stock run, but honestly I'm fine with either.
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 08 February 2021, 19:48:20
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
What do you mean that the risk of the GB is on the vendor/runner? The money is fronted by the consumer. If something goes wrong, it's ultimately the consumer that loses the most.
The vendor/designer loses time, but the capital is funded by the consumer.
We have a premise here, that gok is a serious designer and Deskeys serious runners. This is not always true and due to the nature of group buys an ill-intended person can (theoretically) run away with everyone's money with little to no consequences. That being known, a serious runner will do what it takes to deliver a good product, and it is very hard to do when you are dealing with other people's money.
Take for example me. I have ran a GB of my Lasgweloth PCB, 30 people fronted 35 USD each and when I got to manufacturing, the price of the MCU rose threefold and availability got ridiculously limited. I had to pay 350USD from my pocket and delay the GB for more than a year (it's still not delivered). I will more than likely have to also pay more 100USD in shipping fees. That alone made me realize I'm not running GBs myself.
A keyboard is a much, much more sophisticated product financially, logistically and manufacture wise. Not only the sums involved are huge, quality control is very strict and subjective and logistics suck because it's heavy. Manufacture wise, aluminum machining is terribly hard to control and QC.
So yes, a GB is also very dangerous to the runner, given we are talking about a serious person. I suggest you take a look into the Xeno drama which nearly drove Wilba and Pwner out of the hobby due to the stress. That drama also stained ZealPC's reputation pretty badly.
Post by: Livid on Mon, 08 February 2021, 20:26:44
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 08 February 2021, 21:46:59
I think it's safe to say this board has more than enough demand to justify a GB despite the risks people are talking aboutHow much demand a board has is pretty independent of the risks of GB vs in-stock. It's not like being more in demand makes them any easier. Demand is so high right now that you could "justify" a GB for anything. Gok can by all means take feedback, but in the end should run it however he seems most comfortable.
Post by: KeebOnMe on Mon, 08 February 2021, 22:45:11
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 08 February 2021, 22:54:28
Maybe if you were still feeling in stock, could you potentially put up a groupbuy like vega after in-stock?I’m not sure what it means to feel “in stock”, but it seems obvious he means if you (Gok) were still favouring an in stock sale. (Sorry, Grammar Gestapo strikes again.
)But I was thinking about the Vega model too.
Another option is multiple in-stock sales, like Meridian. (ai03 innovates in multiple ways, it seems!)
However, that might mean you’ll be tied up with logistics and QC rather than designing boards, which is I guess why you got into the hobby.
If I have money when it comes to market, I’d still be interested, no matter how the sale is managed.
Post by: tngpq on Mon, 08 February 2021, 23:20:32
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Tue, 09 February 2021, 05:17:41
Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.
GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...
Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...
I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.
I vote GB, lesgo!
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 09 February 2021, 06:46:37
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Post by: Bunn3y on Tue, 09 February 2021, 08:59:07
Post by: teh_pengers on Tue, 09 February 2021, 14:36:15
Post by: angelghb on Tue, 09 February 2021, 19:57:51
I hope I can get it on KBDfans or iLumkb.（Asia Region ）
Post by: MQLYU on Wed, 10 February 2021, 01:05:37
Post by: pcire on Wed, 10 February 2021, 01:30:08
I’d rather wait a long time for it than not get it at all.
Post by: 10peaches on Wed, 10 February 2021, 01:33:43
GB is betterPretty sure it will be run exclusively on Typeplus like the Vega.
I hope I can get it on KBDfans or iLumkb.（Asia Region ）
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Post by: anon_swe on Wed, 10 February 2021, 02:24:49
Gok/Vendor still has to buy all the boards an QC them if they're in stock, same risk if not more because the maker has to upfront all the money...
Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.
GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...
Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...
I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.
I vote GB, lesgo!
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 10 February 2021, 13:15:16
Also would be fine with hybrid model or multiple runs... just something to help ensure people who want one are able to.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 10 February 2021, 13:43:06
you my friend are very wiseGok/Vendor still has to buy all the boards an QC them if they're in stock, same risk if not more because the maker has to upfront all the money...
Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.
GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...
Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...
I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.
I vote GB, lesgo!
don't encourage this guy
Post by: forevermadrigal on Wed, 10 February 2021, 15:00:51
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Post by: FamilyJoule924 on Wed, 17 February 2021, 16:41:12
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 17 February 2021, 16:51:59
i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
Post by: kibou store on Wed, 17 February 2021, 16:58:34
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Post by: Vidhur100 on Wed, 17 February 2021, 18:08:54
But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 17 February 2021, 18:15:50
Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
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For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally
Post by: FamilyJoule924 on Thu, 18 February 2021, 12:04:14
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:04:05
i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Those 2 buys were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:13:03
I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:20:37
As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock, low qty, popular boards that'll likely have massive aftermarket value. Let's just say 5% is very low. That's probably what makes it through even after the measures have been taken (multiple layers). The numbers are drastically different from where they were 9 months ago.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
All this said, gok could use one of the in stock/fcfs systems that puts multiple barriers to entry that would reduce the number of bot orders. I'm sure he would. But spoofing of email, phone number, discord account, and multiple forms of payment and delivery addresses is common in every buy now. From straight up shopify to even systems like koi.
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:21:40
You clearly have never tried to buy a board that was low units an hype... good luck buying something that never goes in sock.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
I also think you forget this is keyboards, more than half the people in this hobby can whip up a bot quite easily, lol.
In the end OP will decide what's best for him an it is what it is.
No ego hurt here, I'd just like a fair chance depending on how many units are run as this is one of a kind an I'm a ergo user.
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:22:15
All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Post by: FamilyJoule924 on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:26:45
i tried for the ori board and didn't get it same with the fe version i was beat up about that. i like the idea of owning something limited to a certain number of boards. i'm gonna keep an eye on owlab for their 75% version that should be nice. but i've been wanting to try alice boards too. i missed out on the sagitarius so this would be cool but like i said i would personally prefer a more exclusive board if i get it awesome if not its whatever.i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Those 2 buys were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:27:30
Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:31:45
Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:37:31
Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
I don't own CK. It's not my right to release numbers. I've helped test the system and have seen numbers during multiple high traffic buys. If you want real numbers you'll have to talk to Upas. I have no reason to lie to you. Lol. I also have won fcfs sales, some recently. I'm just trying to let you know. What was fear mongering 6 months ago is a reality now. Just the way it is.
Post by: FamilyJoule924 on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:39:24
i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:49:12
I find it hard to believe that you've never made a decision based on something someone else has told you XD. But I get what your saying. Wish there was a way to divulge numbers but I totally respect why it's something businesses don't do.i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:51:33
Don't sweat it, it's because I quoted you.i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Post by: brandkeebs on Thu, 18 February 2021, 14:18:09
Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
He's a mod of CK, why would he lie? If bots weren't really a problem why would there be so much investment of resources devoted to anti-bot preventative measures by CK, the koi raffle system, etc
There has been screenshots from bot discords posted after extras sales and stuff that show there are many bots running and they just scoop up stuff like crazy.
Post by: FamilyJoule924 on Thu, 18 February 2021, 17:02:34
you are 100% right i have made decisions based on things i've been told. that being said with age and lots of error and education i've learned to base decisions on empircal evidence, not emotional statements. i by no means am trying to discredit you i don't know how credible you are or are not. just saying i would prefer to stick to quantifiable numbers as opposed to vague statementsI find it hard to believe that you've never made a decision based on something someone else has told you XD. But I get what your saying. Wish there was a way to divulge numbers but I totally respect why it's something businesses don't do.i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Post by: KZzzz on Thu, 18 February 2021, 19:20:08
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 18 February 2021, 22:49:15
you are 100% right i have made decisions based on things i've been told. that being said with age and lots of error and education i've learned to base decisions on empircal evidence, not emotional statements. i by no means am trying to discredit you i don't know how credible you are or are not. just saying i would prefer to stick to quantifiable numbers as opposed to vague statements
Definitely makes sense. Sadly, from a business perspective, it's something most vendors won't just put out there. I have zero incentive to lie about it, but it's true that none know me personally. I don't really care about GB vs FCFS for type-k, I'll go for it and hopefully get it either way. I'm just a fan of the GB model, takes longer, but people tend to be happier. Just from my experience working with a vendor.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 18 February 2021, 22:53:34
If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.
Most of this is true. I would say that the GB method with higher quantity of boards does lower aftermarket pricing, and increases chances for those who really want the board, and are willing to wait for completion (with gok's standards this is pretty much guaranteed). There's less incentive for botting and flipping if the return on investment is months away. And for a designer, your number one goal is to get your board into people's hands who will use and enjoy it. I think it's pretty clear that gok recognizes that he can run it both ways, so I think a poll is fine in this case. He wouldn't have put it up otherwise.
Post by: darthcapn on Fri, 19 February 2021, 04:01:27
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Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Sat, 20 February 2021, 06:55:48
If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.Problem here is that everyone who's had a "good" experience with a fcfs board has been a board with 500 units, which is really cracking me up...
Sure if Gok runs 500 units run it fcfs that's easy, if it's limited say something like 50 units I'd prefer a GB even if it is a pre-made I would prefer a GB...
Talk all the ish you want, ego this ego that, I'm a fast typer and have good internet, but when you have something setup with Google pay to instabuy that doesnt even require typing, you're smashing f5 and the add to cart button doesn't highlight...
That's all I'm trying to avoid here.
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Post by: anon_swe on Mon, 22 February 2021, 14:16:27
If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.Problem here is that everyone who's had a "good" experience with a fcfs board has been a board with 500 units, which is really cracking me up...
Sure if Gok runs 500 units run it fcfs that's easy, if it's limited say something like 50 units I'd prefer a GB even if it is a pre-made I would prefer a GB...
Talk all the ish you want, ego this ego that, I'm a fast typer and have good internet, but when you have something setup with Google pay to instabuy that doesnt even require typing, you're smashing f5 and the add to cart button doesn't highlight...
That's all I'm trying to avoid here.
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Post by: eddyxn on Wed, 24 February 2021, 09:43:14
Post by: anon_swe on Wed, 24 February 2021, 14:51:22
+GB, All we have is time these days and I've grown to be patient in this hobby.
Post by: Nonnegaard on Thu, 25 February 2021, 02:26:20
In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
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For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally
Post by: eczactly on Thu, 25 February 2021, 10:49:49
In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.
just find a 14 year old to help you with this.
Post by: anon_swe on Thu, 25 February 2021, 14:13:18
In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
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For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally
Post by: JustBagel on Wed, 03 March 2021, 17:00:27
Post by: santela on Thu, 04 March 2021, 08:02:45
That said, I doubt this will be an unlimited GB, so still a chance of taking the L.
Post by: PickleTickle on Mon, 08 March 2021, 03:48:25
Post by: kdam39 on Mon, 08 March 2021, 04:39:19
Post by: uncleakamai on Mon, 08 March 2021, 10:53:25
Post by: uncleakamai on Mon, 08 March 2021, 10:56:02
All these arguments about bots... Bots or not, I have taken Ws and Ls on fcfs boards, most of the time I just shrug it off when I lose because my life wouldn't be any different with or without a board. But this one is special, I'd rather wait if that means a higher chance of getting the board.
That said, I doubt this will be an unlimited GB, so still a chance of taking the L.
I keep telling myself I’ll put money aside I would have spent on an L and either a) save for aftermarket cost or b) invest the money.
Something tells me ‘b’ is the smart choice :).
Post by: ovurcast on Mon, 08 March 2021, 21:22:17
Post by: Bobatype on Tue, 09 March 2021, 00:02:08
Sort of wish I was baller enough to have got all the GMK Stealth kits to complement the board's aesthetics.
+1 for GB too over FCFS. FCFS is always a fiesta (even big hypebeast companies can't even do it properly) and leads to rivers of salt.
At least when people cop an L, it's more understandable. FCFS also sucks if you get unlucky with timezones and ruining sleep if there happens to be hitches in the process.
Post by: davwak on Tue, 16 March 2021, 16:23:02
Gorgeous board.
Post by: r00dy on Tue, 16 March 2021, 21:23:08
Post by: WillyWortel on Fri, 19 March 2021, 06:57:47
f**k it
I'm in.
Post by: BuildingKeys on Sat, 20 March 2021, 14:03:08
Post by: Harue on Sat, 20 March 2021, 20:37:50
I'm in and ready to take the day off whenever it's time. ;D
Post by: P103 on Sun, 21 March 2021, 12:13:11
Post by: Kebob on Sun, 28 March 2021, 22:39:15
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Sun, 28 March 2021, 22:43:13
A group buy for such a board would definitely see this through!
Post by: geohammy on Wed, 31 March 2021, 00:17:53
Post by: svenge on Wed, 31 March 2021, 11:25:33
Will the keyboard be unlimited in stock?
I'll be green with envy,
Until i get my 7V.
Lets do a group-buy,
Since we all want one of these guys.
I'll wait a whole year,
but at 13 months I will start to fear.
By the way I will not attack
your decision to go with just black.
Svenge-
Post by: Antvn84 on Tue, 06 April 2021, 11:39:19
Post by: BLAANK on Fri, 09 April 2021, 22:52:50
But other than hope it goes GB ;D so everyone can get on one of these beautiful boards no matter how long it takes!!!
PATIENCE IS KEY RIGHT NOW (-.-)
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 16 April 2021, 15:45:44
I will upload photos of the newest prototype in a couple of weeks time when I'm free.
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 16 April 2021, 16:49:53
I've just made a quick update to the OP on the status. Basically, development of the Type K will continue.
I will upload photos of the newest prototype in a couple of weeks time when I'm free.
<falls over> "someone pick me up please. I need to prepare." <runs off to get ready>
Post by: migueldelrosario on Sun, 18 April 2021, 01:17:49
Post by: santela on Sun, 18 April 2021, 21:25:35
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 18 April 2021, 21:28:45
Thanks for the update gok! Do you think you will release a typing sound test for the prototype? I'm curious to hear it.I bought a mic a couple of years ago for the purposes of typing tests but I could never get it to sound like it did in person so I gave up.
Post by: santela on Sun, 18 April 2021, 21:35:24
Thanks for the update gok! Do you think you will release a typing sound test for the prototype? I'm curious to hear it.I bought a mic a couple of years ago for the purposes of typing tests but I could never get it to sound like it did in person so I gave up.
Lol I know the pain.
Post by: Digmo on Tue, 20 April 2021, 08:03:44
Post by: marthike135 on Thu, 22 April 2021, 10:22:03
Post by: Bolsa Huncho on Thu, 22 April 2021, 11:25:38
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Post by: chung on Mon, 26 April 2021, 13:53:19
Post by: epshtielsl on Tue, 27 April 2021, 16:06:51
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 28 April 2021, 06:06:54
I'll be exploring different colours for the wrist-rest o that there is an option that matches with the silver Type K better. At the moment, I'm leaning towards beige.
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 28 April 2021, 07:21:50
Post by: Sainity on Wed, 28 April 2021, 07:48:29
Post by: toxicdrift on Wed, 28 April 2021, 08:40:33
Post by: fantasyrunner on Wed, 28 April 2021, 11:53:20
Post by: ReverbSlush on Wed, 28 April 2021, 12:44:42
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 28 April 2021, 13:48:21
I thought I was 100% in for black but this silver (beige weight?!!) has won me over.... it just looks so clean and nice. WowOh crap. I meant wrist-rest, not weight. Sorry about that.
Post by: loopaddiction on Wed, 28 April 2021, 14:44:30
I'm just hoping this becomes a GB with *plenty* of units available for a stress-free purchase. Seems like the hype surrounding this board is off the charts, and understandably so.
Post by: jpk6134 on Wed, 28 April 2021, 17:37:11
Post by: Gondolindrim on Wed, 28 April 2021, 18:01:13
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
Why not both
Post by: Altain on Wed, 28 April 2021, 19:41:11
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
Why not both
Is this a prophecy? That this will be an unlimited GB?
Post by: Hdjekso on Wed, 28 April 2021, 23:33:32
Post by: jpk6134 on Thu, 29 April 2021, 20:56:22
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
Why not both
Is this a prophecy? That this will be an unlimited GB?
Haha, let's hope the prophecy is fulfilled by wise and merciful gok.
Post by: pleasega on Fri, 30 April 2021, 12:17:14
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
Why not both
Is this a prophecy? That this will be an unlimited GB?
Haha, let's hope the prophecy is fulfilled by wise and merciful gok.
one can only hope!
Post by: 7empest on Fri, 30 April 2021, 14:12:15
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 30 April 2021, 20:17:34
Post by: darthcapn on Sat, 01 May 2021, 00:02:48
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Post by: Lendios on Sat, 01 May 2021, 14:06:36
Will it be possible to make the RGB go all the way to the corners and round the sides (https://i.imgur.com/UGYZolv.jpg) aswell as being at the front/top? Or are you keeping it just at the front/top in the middle to stay true to the the KITT inspiration?
Will we get a frosted white polycarbonate bottom (or even better, acrylic though I guess that might not be as durable?) to match the silver instead of black? It could also allow better diffusion and the opportunity for underglow similar to this (https://i.imgur.com/FpNeLfM.png) if we solder in our own leds. But again, if you're trying to stay as close to the KITT I can see why you wouldn't.
Post by: hexa on Sat, 01 May 2021, 22:08:16
Post by: thestrayed on Sat, 01 May 2021, 22:17:08
Post by: azack on Sun, 02 May 2021, 02:22:10
Post by: pleasega on Sun, 02 May 2021, 12:00:16
Post by: break on Sun, 02 May 2021, 13:54:33
Hey gok, is there a possibility however the slightest of an unlimited GB just like 7v for the Type K? Trying to make decisions for my next board :D
See the highlighted yellow sentence in the first post, and don’t forget to submit a form response!
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sun, 02 May 2021, 17:10:52
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687472750838939658/838535519818350592/unknown.png)
gok has said it, now it's cannon.
Fire to the non-WoB believers
Post by: pleasega on Mon, 03 May 2021, 00:47:04
Hey gok, is there a possibility however the slightest of an unlimited GB just like 7v for the Type K? Trying to make decisions for my next board :D
See the highlighted yellow sentence in the first post, and don’t forget to submit a form response!
already did when the form first came up, was just wondering since it's been quite a while if there are any decisions being leaned to
Post by: Visionaire on Mon, 03 May 2021, 10:22:57
Ladies and gentleman,Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687472750838939658/838535519818350592/unknown.png)
gok has said it, now it's cannon.
Fire to the non-WoB believers
All hail, WoB!
Post by: finalarcadia on Mon, 03 May 2021, 12:31:25
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 03 May 2021, 13:07:32
Post by: Sun on Mon, 03 May 2021, 14:37:01
Post by: Qwapa on Wed, 05 May 2021, 16:31:15
Post by: bananathock on Thu, 06 May 2021, 01:02:43
Post by: enomooshiki on Fri, 07 May 2021, 04:50:45
Post by: eczactly on Fri, 07 May 2021, 11:46:50
how much of my liver do i need to sell to get one of these?
depends on who's buying.
Post by: LaserCrafter on Fri, 07 May 2021, 16:18:49
Ladies and gentleman,Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687472750838939658/838535519818350592/unknown.png)
gok has said it, now it's cannon.
Fire to the non-WoB believers
imagine not liking WoB because it's boring? could not be me
Post by: vicxenstudios on Fri, 07 May 2021, 19:21:08
Post by: Dopamine on Sun, 09 May 2021, 04:15:50
Looking forward to this
Post by: Obamas Mama on Sun, 09 May 2021, 10:59:55
Post by: funderburker on Sun, 09 May 2021, 11:08:38
Can I just have this already?
Teasing and edging is part of the hype, dummie. :p
Post by: LaserCrafter on Sun, 09 May 2021, 19:41:33
Post by: redonepunch on Thu, 20 May 2021, 11:54:06
Post by: waone567 on Mon, 24 May 2021, 04:12:58
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 24 May 2021, 04:20:34
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Post by: quanghuy1200 on Sat, 29 May 2021, 06:08:55
Post by: Scriba on Mon, 31 May 2021, 04:01:23
Wow I thought black was the only correct choice but silver is also amazing with beige caps.
same, pls make silver a option, it matches perfect with the design
Post by: Shozzking on Mon, 31 May 2021, 21:17:14
Post by: limitz on Sun, 06 June 2021, 18:46:49
Post by: Diggidy on Sun, 06 June 2021, 19:05:57
Post by: zzyjayfree on Sun, 06 June 2021, 19:36:08
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Post by: AstralYT on Wed, 09 June 2021, 12:02:05
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Post by: jpk6134 on Wed, 09 June 2021, 12:20:40
Post by: brandkeebs on Fri, 11 June 2021, 20:05:13
Any chance this would be under 400$?
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Gok said he can't even manufacture them for less than $480
I would expect 600+ pretty easily
Post by: AstralYT on Fri, 11 June 2021, 23:36:24
Yea I should've expected that for such a complicated design.Any chance this would be under 400$?
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Gok said he can't even manufacture them for less than $480
I would expect 600+ pretty easily
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Post by: derpter on Sat, 12 June 2021, 11:41:33
Post by: KucherenkoZZZ on Sun, 13 June 2021, 06:12:02
Post by: Neely_12 on Sun, 13 June 2021, 11:11:23
Post by: Harue on Wed, 16 June 2021, 10:38:58
(https://i.imgur.com/Zod720p.png)
Post by: Gondolindrim on Wed, 16 June 2021, 13:00:17
Gok When Mini-K ;DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Zod720p.png)
Ok that is seriously cute
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 19 June 2021, 01:20:38
Please, please be unlimited. Not getting to own this could break me.
People have said this about a lot of boards lol. This board does indeed look quite special however.
I just wish the LEDs in this were better diffused, I don't know if that's the setting it's on or if the diffuse isn't very good. Right now it looks a bit tacky.
Post by: jpk6134 on Sat, 19 June 2021, 12:31:12
I just wish the LEDs in this were better diffused, I don't know if that's the setting it's on or if the diffuse isn't very good. Right now it looks a bit tacky.I believe they're supposed to look like the scanning headlight on KITT, which was segmented. I personally love this look because of it.
Post by: Dopamine on Tue, 22 June 2021, 05:46:23
Post by: DeMechanica on Tue, 22 June 2021, 06:13:07
Post by: BareSphereMass on Thu, 01 July 2021, 03:14:46
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 01 July 2021, 13:33:58
Does anyone know when its gonna come out?
Nope. Gok doesn't even know.
Post by: xavierlh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 18:53:05
by the way, absolutely love the design, can't wait for GB
Post by: jabe8i on Thu, 01 July 2021, 18:58:45
will the Type K be priced similarly to the Mountain Ergo?
by the way, absolutely love the design, can't wait for GB
Correct me if im wrong but I dont think either of those boards have an estimated price yet
Post by: Tree_ on Thu, 01 July 2021, 20:34:46
xavierlh is talking about the Mountain Ergo (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit)) which is $420USD and not the Mountain Alice (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0)) which is still in IC and doesn't have a confirmed price.will the Type K be priced similarly to the Mountain Ergo?
by the way, absolutely love the design, can't wait for GB
Correct me if im wrong but I dont think either of those boards have an estimated price yet
Post by: cypher858 on Thu, 01 July 2021, 20:54:27
groupbuy pls be real ;D
Post by: jabe8i on Sun, 04 July 2021, 05:17:12
xavierlh is talking about the Mountain Ergo (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit)) which is $420USD and not the Mountain Alice (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0)) which is still in IC and doesn't have a confirmed price.will the Type K be priced similarly to the Mountain Ergo?
by the way, absolutely love the design, can't wait for GB
Correct me if im wrong but I dont think either of those boards have an estimated price yet
oh damn. I'm getting all these names confused. Thats right i was referring to the mountain alice, I didnt realize it was referring to kbdfan's board lol
Post by: Meepergon on Sun, 04 July 2021, 17:50:11
Post by: Minahctrl on Sun, 04 July 2021, 17:55:05
GB come pls
Post by: raykcy on Sun, 04 July 2021, 21:52:05
Post by: HappyB0T on Sun, 11 July 2021, 00:46:26
Post by: Nuap on Mon, 19 July 2021, 18:43:01
Haven't tried an Arisu style keyboard before yet, but with this aesthetic, I need this to be an unlimited GB. Fingers crossed, and I'm totally in.
This is an Alice layout keyboard.
Arisu is alice + arrow keys.
Post by: Rory on Tue, 20 July 2021, 09:08:56
Post by: Scriba on Tue, 20 July 2021, 09:19:35
Can you hurry up and drop this please.
no
Post by: jpk6134 on Tue, 20 July 2021, 09:37:35
Can you hurry up and drop this please.
You can't rush perfection.
Post by: redline on Wed, 28 July 2021, 21:06:41
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 29 July 2021, 10:27:08
Board don't even need to be ready, just let us give you money so we can reserve a gb spot ;DA group buy for a group buy... this is what we've come to
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sat, 31 July 2021, 14:59:08
Board don't even need to be ready, just let us give you money so we can reserve a gb spot ;DA group buy for a group buy... this is what we've come to
Yes but first there will be a raffle for spots to reserve spots for the GB, so a raffle for a GB for a GB.
Post by: Zurg Eon on Sat, 07 August 2021, 17:11:27
Board don't even need to be ready, just let us give you money so we can reserve a gb spot ;DA group buy for a group buy... this is what we've come to
Yes but first there will be a raffle for spots to reserve spots for the GB, so a raffle for a GB for a GB.
Yo dawg, I herd you like group buys, so we put a raffle for a group buy for a group buy, so you can group buy while you group buy.
Post by: jabe8i on Sun, 08 August 2021, 14:11:34
Post by: Nuap on Sun, 08 August 2021, 23:02:01
how would the 3u spacebars be stabilized? will this come with 3u wires, or would we have to use a pair of spring-less switches? I personally don't like the latter since the lack of the wire causes some binding.
The 7V came with a 6u stabiliser wire that could be used in place of your 6.25u wire, as 6u is quite uncommon.
I imagine that if this has 3u stabilisers, then 2x3u wires will be included.
Post by: santela on Mon, 09 August 2021, 00:45:51
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Post by: GuitarHellboy on Thu, 16 September 2021, 09:18:38
Post by: dyrdevil on Thu, 16 September 2021, 10:34:07
What is the reason for the slopping sides pointing in
more comfortable/ergonomic and less strain on your arms wrist & hands
Post by: ctrl+shift+n on Fri, 17 September 2021, 15:59:51
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Post by: akejojo on Sat, 09 October 2021, 09:54:00
Post by: vixixtryx on Sun, 10 October 2021, 10:45:06
Post by: santela on Tue, 12 October 2021, 22:55:04
Has it been decided on whether this will be in stock or a GB yet gok?
It's GB. I'm gonna speak it into existence.
Post by: unixb0y on Wed, 20 October 2021, 18:02:38
Post by: DomaRho on Wed, 20 October 2021, 20:38:46
Post by: TheTriggeredPony on Thu, 21 October 2021, 02:58:27
Post by: jkongers on Thu, 21 October 2021, 11:26:43
Beats buying an entire basekit to get bars compat imo, so I'm definitely picking up a set.
I think it'll go well as accent colours for WoB sets too.
Post by: phid on Thu, 21 October 2021, 12:28:03
Post by: pelinot on Thu, 21 October 2021, 12:31:11
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Post by: pleasega on Fri, 22 October 2021, 03:38:25
Hoping for this to run in the same fashion that 7V did as an unlimited GB via NK. Best of luck.
same here
Post by: shoteve on Sat, 23 October 2021, 18:12:10
Post by: loopaddiction on Sat, 23 October 2021, 19:43:10
Hoping for this to run in the same fashion that 7V did as an unlimited GB via NK. Best of luck.
same here
This is the way.
Post by: raymondzzd on Tue, 26 October 2021, 19:22:15
Hoping for this to run in the same fashion that 7V did as an unlimited GB via NK. Best of luck.
same here
This is the way.
Yes yes that would be great :)
Post by: chancellorr on Thu, 28 October 2021, 22:04:14
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 17 November 2021, 06:08:49
If so, absolutely let's collectively go that route.
Pretty please with a chuleta on top? <3
Post by: productkun on Wed, 17 November 2021, 17:36:36
Unlimited Type K, man can hope 🙏
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Post by: santela on Mon, 22 November 2021, 00:32:54
Gok probably going through more prototypes. A-OK with me. Nothing wrong with taking your time to refine a design, especially one as unique as this. Will be worth the wait.
Whatever he does, I just hope it's unlimited, cuz I want two of these bad boys.
Post by: touch on Wed, 24 November 2021, 20:48:06
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Post by: hardreturn on Mon, 06 December 2021, 13:43:58
if there's ever a red, cool purple or Burgundy option, or maybe a PC option, then I'll probably be throwing down the cash for it.
Thanks for all the work :)
Post by: godoglove on Mon, 06 December 2021, 21:31:18
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Post by: santela on Tue, 21 December 2021, 02:30:17
I think a cool thing would be an extra y key, something that I think would not be that hard to add, yet like the extra b key is something that a lot of people would appreciate, like when typing the word many, I am part of the people that type "y" with my left hand. Not a gamechanger to me, I still like this board and want to buy it when it goes live, but if there are other versions in progress, then something that bump it up against other alice style keybs
There's no keycap set supports the extra Y as far as I'm aware of. Would be extremely difficult to find sets with two Ys.
Post by: funderburker on Tue, 21 December 2021, 07:10:49
I think a cool thing would be an extra y key, something that I think would not be that hard to add, yet like the extra b key is something that a lot of people would appreciate, like when typing the word many, I am part of the people that type "y" with my left hand. Not a gamechanger to me, I still like this board and want to buy it when it goes live, but if there are other versions in progress, then something that bump it up against other alice style keybs
There's no keycap set supports the extra Y as far as I'm aware of. Would be extremely difficult to find sets with two Ys.
Exactly. Instead of asking a feature like this (feature which makes extra issues not fixes), Type-K will make you learn to type properly. :p
Post by: atkins on Tue, 21 December 2021, 08:25:32
Post by: MisterKnife on Fri, 31 December 2021, 09:50:04
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Fri, 31 December 2021, 13:00:55
would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
What does this mean?
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 31 December 2021, 13:11:58
would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
What does this mean?
it means that the user is a druid or very into astrology
but what i don't understand is how a metal keyboard is OK but a metal wrist rest is not
Post by: King4477 on Fri, 31 December 2021, 13:16:40
Being a good conductor of heat, he’s saying that resting his skin on an aluminum block of a wrist rest would sap away body heat and be uncomfortable. This plastic or wood is a better option in that respect.would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
What does this mean?
it means that the user is a druid or very into astrology
but what i don't understand is how a metal keyboard is OK but a metal wrist rest is not
Post by: MisterKnife on Fri, 31 December 2021, 13:21:03
I have a couple metal hid devices and no matter the room temperature they are cold to the touch.
Also one of the reasons why glass tables suck
Post by: rikercd on Mon, 03 January 2022, 11:04:28
Post by: kidpid on Tue, 04 January 2022, 08:53:04
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 04 January 2022, 18:14:57
The original black wrist rest prototype was PC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107031.msg2996620#msg2996620). Was it mentioned anywhere what the material of the silver one was?It's also PC. Surprisingly, it's holding up pretty well in terms of wear. It's definitely the way to go over frosted acrylic/polycarbonate.
Proto 5 has been ordered.
Post by: King4477 on Tue, 04 January 2022, 18:17:45
Nice! Hopefully 5th time’s a charm.The original black wrist rest prototype was PC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107031.msg2996620#msg2996620). Was it mentioned anywhere what the material of the silver one was?It's also PC. Surprisingly, it's holding up pretty well in terms of wear. It's definitely the way to go over frosted acrylic/polycarbonate.
Proto 5 has been ordered.
Post by: Nurseh on Tue, 04 January 2022, 20:02:46
The original black wrist rest prototype was PC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107031.msg2996620#msg2996620). Was it mentioned anywhere what the material of the silver one was?It's also PC. Surprisingly, it's holding up pretty well in terms of wear. It's definitely the way to go over frosted acrylic/polycarbonate.
Proto 5 has been ordered.
Woot, excited to see!
Post by: gaiden on Tue, 04 January 2022, 22:50:37
Post by: actress on Thu, 06 January 2022, 08:43:57
What is the front height? Seems like the wristrest is a must on that keyboard.This is my only concern. Especially towards the middle of the board. Wonder if it can be used without a wrist rest..
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 07 January 2022, 05:35:16
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Fri, 07 January 2022, 07:11:01
So excited for this board. I bought the Mountain Ergo which was really nice but I can't help think this is the 'one'Have you seen Lin Works’s EM8?
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 07 January 2022, 10:33:51
So excited for this board. I bought the Mountain Ergo which was really nice but I can't help think this is the 'one'Have you seen Lin Works’s EM8?
I did see a test of it but I did not know there were available to buy. They look good and sound solid.
Post by: bigoldbox on Fri, 07 January 2022, 19:43:43
So excited for this board. I bought the Mountain Ergo which was really nice but I can't help think this is the 'one'Have you seen Lin Works’s EM8?
I did see a test of it but I did not know there were available to buy. They look good and sound solid.
It was on Lin's discord I think, google form.
Post by: Erebus923 on Sun, 23 January 2022, 00:13:06
Post by: maphacks on Wed, 26 January 2022, 16:19:11
This would be so beautiful if GOK had a deeeeep wine red version of this boardHoly ****! Yes! Been sad there was just black and grey
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Post by: Current Keyboards on Thu, 27 January 2022, 12:46:41
Being a good conductor of heat, he’s saying that resting his skin on an aluminum block of a wrist rest would sap away body heat and be uncomfortable. This plastic or wood is a better option in that respect.would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
What does this mean?
it means that the user is a druid or very into astrology
but what i don't understand is how a metal keyboard is OK but a metal wrist rest is not
After producing the Hatchet, I have to agree. At least give one other option in a different material is a must. I had to warn everybody how cold it was to type on (but many wanted it for that reason). It is very cold to type on an aluminum wrist rest.
I am all in if it is offered in wood or some form of polycarb. 50/50 on aluminum.
Talking with Gok and actually reading the IC (like I should have done to start), it seems the wristrest is PC.
Post by: g_u_not on Thu, 03 February 2022, 17:13:33
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 03 February 2022, 18:39:57
I'm very interested. How to stay updated on this? I don't wanna miss when it goes liveClick the Watch and Notify buttons on this thread
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Post by: granola bar enthusiast on Wed, 30 March 2022, 09:15:14
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Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 04 April 2022, 19:10:32
Post by: pcire on Mon, 04 April 2022, 19:13:48
Post by: StrangPrisoner on Mon, 04 April 2022, 19:39:53
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 04 April 2022, 20:41:01
When you say "the accent piece on the bottom will be removed", to what are you referring? Are you getting rid of the stainless weight? Seems like a critical piece of the design language to me so I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding.Accent piece was added in v5. So pretty sure it's not the weight.
Looks to be this triangular bit.
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Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 04 April 2022, 20:44:04
When you say "the accent piece on the bottom will be removed", to what are you referring? Are you getting rid of the stainless weight? Seems like a critical piece of the design language to me so I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding.In the video that shows the bottom, it is a triangular piece that is attached to the weight.
If you download the video, the quality will be much higher and you might be able to see the accent a bit better. It had the Type K logo engraved in the middle of it which you can kind of see in the video.
Post by: santela on Tue, 05 April 2022, 11:07:22
Post by: StrangPrisoner on Tue, 05 April 2022, 11:36:55
I see what you're talking about now. Thanks for the explanation all. So the plan is to go with the straight weight alone again?When you say "the accent piece on the bottom will be removed", to what are you referring? Are you getting rid of the stainless weight? Seems like a critical piece of the design language to me so I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding.In the video that shows the bottom, it is a triangular piece that is attached to the weight.
If you download the video, the quality will be much higher and you might be able to see the accent a bit better. It had the Type K logo engraved in the middle of it which you can kind of see in the video.
Post by: granola bar enthusiast on Tue, 05 April 2022, 16:38:17
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 06 April 2022, 09:52:58
Post by: genevatypes on Wed, 06 April 2022, 18:10:43
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 07 April 2022, 21:26:13
Just updated the status section of the main post.
> I will be working on the next prototype to try and eliminate some of the light-bleed that can be seen from the top.
another prototype? and there's FIVE of them? just send it my dude. save all the little changes for R2
Post by: autumnfall on Thu, 07 April 2022, 22:24:36
Post by: ChrisJoy on Sat, 16 April 2022, 02:23:40
Post by: mr_foggy on Sat, 07 May 2022, 08:28:32
Post by: eczactly on Tue, 24 May 2022, 10:01:06
is there actually god?
Post by: wigol2506 on Sun, 29 May 2022, 22:40:21
Post by: BareSphereMass on Wed, 08 June 2022, 12:07:39
Post by: granola bar enthusiast on Wed, 08 June 2022, 14:33:13
@granola_bar_enthusiast Do you mean how the lights are segmented? If so, the lighting is deliberately segmented like on the front of KITT from Knight Rider.
i just didn't like how the light-row on the left side was very inconsistent and how there were gaps in between colors
Post by: MiddleTwo on Sun, 10 July 2022, 18:46:23
Post by: santela on Mon, 11 July 2022, 10:22:23
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Post by: pelinot on Wed, 24 August 2022, 23:35:50
Post by: dakatisshort on Thu, 25 August 2022, 14:31:44
Post by: santela on Mon, 29 August 2022, 19:36:42
Post by: menuhin on Tue, 30 August 2022, 02:57:09
And I believe gok is very careful in planning and also in estimating the right time and form relative to the manufacturing and other logistics to bring this project to the GB phase the first time - so as to not burn himself by accident like many of those normal and nice and capable GB-runners who ended up having to go rogue and hide because of financial problems due to mishaps during productions.
Post by: herfalerf on Tue, 30 August 2022, 15:21:08
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Wed, 21 September 2022, 08:23:11
Post by: Gondolindrim on Wed, 21 September 2022, 19:58:38
would like to bump this up. This is the only keyboard left that I want... any updates on a possible gb or is this dead now?
Being actively worked on, not dead. It will be publicly sold at one point. New PCB proto has recently been delivered and gok is testing it with the latest case proto.
Post by: pelinot on Wed, 21 September 2022, 20:05:55
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 22 September 2022, 09:38:16
would like to bump this up. This is the only keyboard left that I want... any updates on a possible gb or is this dead now?
Gok also updating the original post with proto count. We're at six now, so it'll happen eventually. Hopefully next one is up to his standards.
Post by: pelinot on Fri, 23 September 2022, 12:08:57
Post by: gaiden on Sun, 25 September 2022, 10:08:35
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 25 September 2022, 23:59:05
Post by: gaiden on Mon, 26 September 2022, 09:17:09
Updated main post
OP, thanks for the update! Any hope to have an option for wrist rest that is done the same way as the case (Alum or Alum+SS)?
Post by: Visionaire on Mon, 26 September 2022, 13:21:07
Updated main post
Quote
(26/09/2022) - Prototype #6 is built and is undergoing testing. Assembly is much easier than in previous iterations but there are a couple of QOL tweaks to the PCB and plate that I'd like to make.
Firmware has been updated and the indicator LEDs are working well. The way it works is that the first LED is for Caps Lock and the other 2 are layer indicators. We are waiting for some QMK stuff to be implemented to make it more configurable in VIA.
I am really happy with the wood wrist-rest. We are exploring options for the PC wrist-rest to find a solution that is more durable.
Do the tweaks of the plate require another complete prototype or just another plate?
Post by: Tulesto on Mon, 26 September 2022, 13:52:01
Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 26 September 2022, 14:27:56
For the time being, just the plate.Updated main postQuote(26/09/2022) - Prototype #6 is built and is undergoing testing. Assembly is much easier than in previous iterations but there are a couple of QOL tweaks to the PCB and plate that I'd like to make.
Firmware has been updated and the indicator LEDs are working well. The way it works is that the first LED is for Caps Lock and the other 2 are layer indicators. We are waiting for some QMK stuff to be implemented to make it more configurable in VIA.
I am really happy with the wood wrist-rest. We are exploring options for the PC wrist-rest to find a solution that is more durable.
Do the tweaks of the plate require another complete prototype or just another plate?
Post by: Visionaire on Mon, 26 September 2022, 14:55:02
Post by: lewisflude on Thu, 06 October 2022, 14:26:26
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 06 October 2022, 15:11:24
Post by: jammiiew on Wed, 19 October 2022, 09:47:04
Post by: rottencat on Thu, 20 October 2022, 08:25:23
Post by: prototypist on Mon, 24 October 2022, 14:57:49
Post by: gaiden on Mon, 24 October 2022, 16:25:48
Post by: hottrout on Sun, 06 November 2022, 04:42:49
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 06 November 2022, 13:45:05
I know this has been mentioned before but still would like to see split left shift!
That would be great for ISO users, if I have to choose I prefer a split left shift and a full 2.25 shift to the right.
Post by: thocciness on Thu, 17 November 2022, 10:55:23
Post by: genevatypes on Sun, 04 December 2022, 18:03:39
Post by: giacombum on Sat, 07 January 2023, 18:37:48
Thanks!
Post by: hkhawk on Sat, 07 January 2023, 18:53:23
Is there an ETA for the board release? Will it be a group buy?
Thanks!
The current plan is a GB in Q1 2023
Post by: gaiden on Sat, 07 January 2023, 20:27:32
Is there an ETA for the board release? Will it be a group buy?
Thanks!
The current plan is a GB in Q1 2023
Yes!
Post by: hottrout on Sun, 08 January 2023, 12:22:25
Is there an ETA for the board release? Will it be a group buy?
Thanks!
The current plan is a GB in Q1 2023
Be still my beating heart.
Post by: Kerasan on Wed, 11 January 2023, 10:29:52
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 13 January 2023, 17:53:42
Post by: giacombum on Fri, 13 January 2023, 17:57:19
Post by: unixb0y on Sun, 22 January 2023, 12:29:33
Post by: gaiden on Sun, 22 January 2023, 13:14:15
I'm for "beige powder coat. Walnut wrist-rest"
Ditto
Post by: Abraham on Tue, 31 January 2023, 04:11:50
Post by: olylith on Sat, 11 February 2023, 19:26:03
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Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Fri, 14 April 2023, 14:33:57
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 15 April 2023, 14:24:35
After 3 years of waiting, this is still the board I would like to be my final addition. I'll wait 3 more years if that's what Gok decides it will take to refine it to his standards.
same. basically can't endgame until i have this
Post by: dangitsthang on Tue, 18 April 2023, 13:27:22
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Post by: santela on Thu, 20 April 2023, 20:19:43
Post by: fairypenguin on Fri, 21 April 2023, 18:47:25
Post by: hyperfix8 on Wed, 26 April 2023, 08:26:13
Damn, didn't even realize it had been so long since this was first posted. I think it says a lot that so many of us are still so excited about this board, even a few years on.This board has been in the hobby longer than I have, but I'm still excited for it
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 26 April 2023, 15:39:15
Damn, didn't even realize it had been so long since this was first posted. I think it says a lot that so many of us are still so excited about this board, even a few years on.This board has been in the hobby longer than I have, but I'm still excited for it
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Post by: eczactly on Tue, 16 May 2023, 10:46:47
Damn, didn't even realize it had been so long since this was first posted. I think it says a lot that so many of us are still so excited about this board, even a few years on.This board has been in the hobby longer than I have, but I'm still excited for it
".....you'll be looking at an outcome that will have a finality that is beyond your comprehension. And you will not be counting the days or the months or years, but millenniums, in a place with no doors."
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 06 June 2023, 21:24:47
Post by: tacahiroy on Tue, 06 June 2023, 21:37:11
Small correction: today is 7th June 2023, not 2022!
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 06 June 2023, 22:13:03
cannot wait! Hope we are almost there!Thanks. I also forgot to update the subject line.
Small correction: today is 7th June 2023, not 2022!
Post by: hkhawk on Tue, 06 June 2023, 22:58:08
Post by: dyrdevil on Wed, 07 June 2023, 00:13:32
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Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 09 June 2023, 17:54:23
More photos to come after I finish building it.
Post by: masje on Sun, 11 June 2023, 03:33:43
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 13 June 2023, 11:04:05
Post by: vhaarr on Tue, 13 June 2023, 14:06:41
So excited for this at long last. Can all the original post responders (ahem) please have a slot by default? :)
Hey! Just because I didn't post early doesn't mean I wasn't here! :-D
EDIT: omg I just achieved tripple negative. I win the internet.
Post by: Retne on Tue, 13 June 2023, 14:33:37
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Post by: monstermandude on Sat, 22 July 2023, 10:44:40
Post by: doctorboy on Mon, 24 July 2023, 11:17:55
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 03 August 2023, 06:00:37
Post by: creampudding888 on Thu, 03 August 2023, 06:45:38
Post by: dyrdevil on Thu, 03 August 2023, 06:48:15
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 03 August 2023, 07:59:01
Post by: holer on Thu, 03 August 2023, 08:42:23
Post by: Adelscott on Thu, 03 August 2023, 09:10:30
Post by: gaiden on Thu, 03 August 2023, 09:42:17
RIP no split left shift
Did you not bothered scrolling down to layout image? :))
All the photos has default no-split spacebars for look. It does support split, in fact both side. :thumb:
Post by: geohammy on Thu, 03 August 2023, 10:44:26
Post by: noahf on Thu, 03 August 2023, 11:04:42
RIP no split left shift
Did you not bothered scrolling down to layout image? :))
All the photos has default no-split spacebars for look. It does support split, in fact both side. :thumb:
Split left shift. Not space
Post by: gaiden on Thu, 03 August 2023, 12:23:04
RIP no split left shift
Did you not bothered scrolling down to layout image? :))
All the photos has default no-split spacebars for look. It does support split, in fact both side. :thumb:
Split left shift. Not space
Oh my bad.
Post by: involuntarysoul on Thu, 03 August 2023, 13:33:10
Post by: monstermandude on Thu, 03 August 2023, 15:48:26
never typed on a ergo board, prob not smart throwing $1k at this right?
I mean it's still the same qwerty layout but just more ergonomically spread out. The only difference would be whether it is comfortable for you or not and I would think getting used to typing on it would be a lot easier than say an ortholinear with thumb clusters. Price wise yeah maybe not the best to do for your first ergo keyboard lol but very few tented alice keyboards out there right now.
Post by: vixixtryx on Thu, 03 August 2023, 18:47:55
Big update to main post.
Any chance you would consider extending the GB window to 4 weeks? Seems like a pretty quick turnaround from pricing being announced today and the GB running it would probably not result in as many people being able to participate.
Post by: vhaarr on Fri, 04 August 2023, 01:15:39
Big update to main post.
Any chance you would consider extending the GB window to 4 weeks? Seems like a pretty quick turnaround from pricing being announced today and the GB running it would probably not result in as many people being able to participate.
I agree. Also, although it is not a problem for me for this GB, in general GBs should really be extended to 5 weeks to cover 2 paycheck periods. Most of the western world is paid monthly. I expect that would make it much easier to accomodate such an extra expense.
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Fri, 04 August 2023, 01:51:44
Post by: santela on Fri, 04 August 2023, 07:17:39
Post by: gaiden on Fri, 04 August 2023, 07:46:27
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 04 August 2023, 10:12:15
Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
Yes, the hotswap PCB supports all layouts with the caveat some options are north facing to accomodate the sockets.
Post by: typischt on Fri, 04 August 2023, 10:23:16
The question might be: Should you really buy a keyboard for 750USD+ if you need 2 month to gather the funds for it? ;)Big update to main post.
Any chance you would consider extending the GB window to 4 weeks? Seems like a pretty quick turnaround from pricing being announced today and the GB running it would probably not result in as many people being able to participate.
I agree. Also, although it is not a problem for me for this GB, in general GBs should really be extended to 5 weeks to cover 2 paycheck periods. Most of the western world is paid monthly. I expect that would make it much easier to accomodate such an extra expense.
Post by: gaiden on Fri, 04 August 2023, 10:30:17
Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
Yes, the hotswap PCB supports all layouts with the caveat some options are north facing to accomodate the sockets.
Nice to know. Usually I see hot swap support less layout options so this is good if only a few LEDs are turned. 👍
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 04 August 2023, 15:08:08
Another caveat is that I think it sounds worse than soldered because the hotswap sockets bottom out. This issue can be mitigated by the foam to some extent.Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
Yes, the hotswap PCB supports all layouts with the caveat some options are north facing to accomodate the sockets.
Post by: gaiden on Fri, 04 August 2023, 16:26:45
good point, would adding foam obstruct any RGB lighting?Another caveat is that I think it sounds worse than soldered because the hotswap sockets bottom out. This issue can be mitigated by the foam to some extent.Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
Yes, the hotswap PCB supports all layouts with the caveat some options are north facing to accomodate the sockets.
Post by: nettik on Fri, 04 August 2023, 19:48:28
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 04 August 2023, 20:02:11
Also, can you add mill-max sockets to the solder-only pcb if you wanted to? I once bought a regular pcb in a different group buy and tried to hotswap it, but the sockets wouldn't fit.Millmax fits fine. I millmaxed a couple of the proto pcbs.
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Sat, 05 August 2023, 01:52:36
Post by: lkkedward on Sat, 05 August 2023, 04:02:43
There're so many good boards recently and I think most people's wallet would need some breathing time like me.
Post by: codecoffeecode on Sat, 05 August 2023, 12:51:44
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 05 August 2023, 13:02:50
Seriously guys, if single paycheck or two makes or breaks whether or not someone can "afford" this board, they can't afford this board. And I know that sounds elitist but there's no reason to try to accommodate people trying to make poor financial decisions: either they have the disposable income or they don't. Given the length of time this board has been in IC, there has been more than enough time for folks to save money if they needed to.
Solid advice. I had ample time to save up for a 7V back in the day, and I think the Type K IC has run on long enough for people who really REALLY want it to save up for it.
Post by: monstermandude on Sat, 05 August 2023, 16:30:58
Seriously guys, if single paycheck or two makes or breaks whether or not someone can "afford" this board, they can't afford this board. And I know that sounds elitist but there's no reason to try to accommodate people trying to make poor financial decisions: either they have the disposable income or they don't. Given the length of time this board has been in IC, there has been more than enough time for folks to save money if they needed to.
Solid advice. I had ample time to save up for a 7V back in the day, and I think the Type K IC has run on long enough for people who really REALLY want it to save up for it.
There's also always pay in 4 methods if your paycheck is just a few days out of reach of the group buy and you have enough for the first payment. I've done that on a few occasions when it comes to super limited runs and stuff but shouldn't be done super often either IMO.
Post by: badsport on Sat, 05 August 2023, 16:37:30
Seriously guys, if single paycheck or two makes or breaks whether or not someone can "afford" this board, they can't afford this board. And I know that sounds elitist but there's no reason to try to accommodate people trying to make poor financial decisions: either they have the disposable income or they don't. Given the length of time this board has been in IC, there has been more than enough time for folks to save money if they needed to.
The fact that this even needs to be said is depressing. The amount of people in this hobby without any financial literacy and succumb to hype/FOMO is way too high. Let's take Jay-Z's advice here - "if you can't buy it twice, you can't afford it."
For everyone else, enjoy this amazing board.
Post by: evidentLEE on Sat, 05 August 2023, 18:43:18
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Post by: Rhienfo on Sun, 06 August 2023, 06:14:33
Great project gok, glad to see it finally reach group buy and GL with the sale.
Post by: newcscsl on Mon, 07 August 2023, 17:10:01
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 07 August 2023, 17:21:12
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?100% Type-K, no contest
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Post by: quazikun on Mon, 07 August 2023, 17:24:48
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?100% Type-K, no contest
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
agree, easily
Post by: newcscsl on Mon, 07 August 2023, 17:33:54
Post by: quazikun on Mon, 07 August 2023, 17:45:56
I'm relatively new to the hobby and my newbie taste cannot appreciate the subtleties of what makes Type-K better. Please enlighten ;D . However I do know gok made the V7 which is highly sought after.
preference :thumb: (for me at least). i also like the tented look.
Post by: v2x on Tue, 08 August 2023, 05:17:09
never typed on a ergo board, prob not smart throwing $1k at this right?As long as you touch type, I don't think you'll struggle. Whether the layout will be comfortable for you is another question but I find tented designs very intuitive to pick up.
Post by: RexKorp on Tue, 08 August 2023, 10:21:45
Also, in one of markerchun's photos, it looks like the sticker is black and silver. I assume the image was just edited, right? Otherwise, I'm gonna need one of those :D
Post by: tactilesbad on Wed, 09 August 2023, 12:23:18
never typed on a ergo board, prob not smart throwing $1k at this right?
make sure you watch taeha's build stream, it sounds hollow af and needs force break mod like much cheaper boards. I am appalled at how 7 rounds of prototyping amounted to that
Post by: Patty on Wed, 09 August 2023, 13:23:28
imo another great addition to Gok's lineup, the several prototyping rounds were worth the effort
Post by: involuntarysoul on Wed, 09 August 2023, 16:56:13
sounded pretty solid on lulzthax stream, taeha's build probably wasn't the best combo to bring out the board's best attributes
lol what? if the board sound trash with mx black, it will sound trash with everything else
Post by: hkhawk on Wed, 09 August 2023, 17:58:33
sounded pretty solid on lulzthax stream, taeha's build probably wasn't the best combo to bring out the board's best attributes
lol what? if the board sound trash with mx black, it will sound trash with everything else
Nathan built with Nixies and mentioned during the stream that he wished he would have built with Blacks instead because he thought that would have sounded good
Post by: touch on Thu, 10 August 2023, 01:07:36
RIP no split left shift
It's unfortunate (and painful personally) but we tried. I think Gok said he decided not to include split left shift due to no iso enter (which I'm fine with as you don't lose any key in terms of number)
Post by: Narcolepsy on Thu, 10 August 2023, 01:49:51
sounded pretty solid on lulzthax stream, taeha's build probably wasn't the best combo to bring out the board's best attributes
lol what? if the board sound trash with mx black, it will sound trash with everything else
The switches played a part, but I think it was the half plate that was the issue. All the sound tests I've heard with full plates sounded just fine or great.
Post by: Adelscott on Thu, 10 August 2023, 06:02:18
Justification OP gave here is "already used the 1.25 shift on the right". Meh...RIP no split left shift
It's unfortunate (and painful personally) but we tried. I think Gok said he decided not to include split left shift due to no iso enter (which I'm fine with as you don't lose any key in terms of number)
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 16 August 2023, 09:43:53
Post by: vhaarr on Wed, 16 August 2023, 09:58:42
If ordering from UK, should I use Oblotsky or TypePlus?
Whenever I'm in doubt I make an order at both sites and bring it all the way to checkout so I can see the shipping (carrier companies differ in their expertise and practices) options and whether or not they add the VAT at the checkout as an addition to shipping cost (which I prefer, so I don't have to deal with import duties.)
I've used oblotzky several times, and we're not in the EU either.
Post by: demond_25 on Wed, 16 August 2023, 20:32:32
I saw the typing test today and it sounded good but a little hollow. Still will buy since it's so unique and good looking
I think some hollowness in the board is nice actually. I usually go without foams at all or all foams but without case foam. It's very satisfying to hear the reverb mechanically from the material of the board and I think this is the point that makes each board is unique to its own rather than just sounding foamy. Regardless, a hobby is still an individual's preference and I know I'm the odd one in this hobby. :p
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sat, 19 August 2023, 00:07:14
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1038070677640581151/1142183528549859398/IMG_20230818_164243327.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1038070677640581151/1142183529401286676/IMG_20230818_163135863_MF_PORTRAIT.jpg)
Post by: Rhienfo on Sat, 19 August 2023, 01:54:31
This is beige with DCS9009 and OG Tangerines
what a nice build gondo :)
Post by: gramiccus on Sat, 19 August 2023, 17:28:55
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Not sure what the other posters are basing their responses on, as they didn't elaborate on why they like the Type K over the Mountain Ergo, but I own 2 Mountain Ergo's. Here's how I'm currently weighing the 2 options:
TL;DR - Imo, without a Type K proto on hand to compare in-person with: Gok is a proven designer, has put a lot of thought into the Type K (TK), and there are more customization options available than there were for the Mountain Ergo (ME). It's a beautiful board. However, there are some compromises made in the design that make it impractical, especially considering it costs double (or more) what the Mountain Ergo did. Aesthetics and layout are subjective, and the only objective improvement is the customization available. I'm torn on whether its worth the pricetag.
Design & layout
This is subjective, of course, but there are a number of things we can look at. They are two completely different styles - the Type K is modelled after the 7V and has more of a high-tech feel, with the LED bar, PC bottom, and exposed back weight. The Mountain is very angular and simple. I will say that due the sloped sides, the Mountain's are somewhat difficult to pick up with one hand, not sure how the TK'd fare there. Thematically, I'd say the angles fit the "mountain" theme. FWIW, I like the design of the ME, but it's not anything mind-blowing. The TK definitely has a more thoughtful design - though I can't say it's to my preferences. The indicator lights on the top are a nice touch. I like the overall aesthetic, but there are a couple of things that I don't like: the spacebars and the right mods.
The TK doesn't follow the typical 2u+2.25u or 2.25u+2.75u split spacebar layout. A lot of keycap base kits are coming with a set of 1x 2u+2.25u+2.75u spacebars, which is great for split spacebar users, but means that you will now generally have to buy an additional child kit to outfit the TK vs. the ME, and buying 2nd hand sets will be much harder down the road. I feel that base kits far outsell any child kits (extension/spacebars) in general, and that they are much harder to get extras of or find on the second hand market for sets that have already run. I get that gok was going for elements of symmetry in this board, but I don't think that the compromise was worth it for that alone. That said, a larger spacebar generally has a fuller sound, though I'm not sure a .25u size difference make that much of a difference. More on sound later.
Ok, the right mods. This is purely preference, but I really dislike the look of the right shift not lining up with the enter key, or extending beyond it. I also get that the single 1.5u mod below that is supposed to emulate the WKL look, but the fact that it's inset even further also looks weird. For me, a board that is focussed on symmetry, having the right side "retract" while the left side follows the traditonal alice "pyramid" layout looks really strange. I'd prefer if the right shift was a full 2.75u size, with a 1.75u + 1u option, with either 2 x 1.5u or 1.25u mod keys below that, either in line or extended slightly beyond the right shift. Again, this is also much better for keycap compatibility as 1.25u shifts are not as common as 1.75u ones.
I do like the TKs left-hand macro column though - I find that there aren't enough keys on the ME to show off novelties or artisans.
Sound
The ME only comes in alu top mount, love it or hate it. It has a very crisp and even sound, and the alphas are very satisfying to hammer away on. Mods sounds great, spacebars sound pretty good for an Alice layout. I tend to prefer clackier builds these days, and both of my boards err on that side. One is built with WS Onions and ePBT caps, while the other one is Cannoncaps CXA WoB (MTNU Susu can't come fast enough!) on Azure Dragons. I run them both with case foam, and no plate foam, as I do find the ME has a bit of case resonance without it, but only around the spacebars. They have a nice open, clean sound. Pretty standard for a well-implemented top mount alu plate.
With the soundtests I've heard for the TK, I have... mixed feelings. I think Makerchun's build with the PC plate sounds the best. It eliminates that resonance that everyone has been talking about here. Again, I can't say for sure since I don't have a Type K, but to me it sounds more resonant / hollow than my ME's do with no foam. I get that you get to hear some of the sound signature of a board with a bit more resonance, but it does seem to be a bit over the top for a keyboard of this class, with a PC bottom and SS weight. Using a PC plate, even if it doesn't cost extra (though I have a feeling it might), might also make it sound to plasticy. For the price, this seems like a bit of a risk. I will say that the spacebars do sound better to my ear on the TK on Makerchun's PC config. I have a weird issue with the ME where the cuts in the right plate around the spacebar make the switch ever so slightly loose, and only on the one built with Azure Dragons, and since its hotswap there's nothing holding the switch in place. This makes the right space a little less satisfying that it should be. This doesn't appear to be the case with the TKs plates, as they are 1.5mm think and pretty solid, whereas the ME's plates are quite thin and have more matierial cut away.
Typing feel
The ME is fairly stiff, as is expected with no flex-cuts, and alu top mount. I have no complaints here, though I wish there was a PC plate available just to see if it would have some forgiveness to it, given that it's a keyboard focussed on ergonomics. I find that sometimes I get some fatigue in my fingers when I get going on the Azure Dragon build, though I think that's a personal issue. They are very tactile switches, have a long-pole stem, and I am a fairly heavy typist. I really enjoy hammering on heavy tactile switches. I never have this issue on the linear ME, as I tend not to type as heavy on linears.
I can't really comment on the TK, but from the videos it still looks somewhat stiff. But given that it's grommet mount and that there is a PC plate option, I think it's safe to assume that the TK will have a softer typing feel over the ME.
Finish/quality
I have both the e-white and ano black ME's. They are both smooth, even, and flawless, inside and out. The quality is top notch. The machining is also excellent, there are no scuffs, marks, or uneven lines, even on the tiny bevelled top edge, or on the plate lines cut out. I have nothing negative to say about the finish of my ME's, other than that my dumbass has put a couple tiny nicks into them when swapping them around.
Given gok's track record, I assume the TK will be the same, if not better. I will say that part of why I am drawn to the TK is the finishes - e-white and ano black are a bit basic. I'm really jealous that KBDFan's other ergo board, the Kunlun, came in all kinds of options, though those boards are too wide for me to consider purchasing one. The TK has 3 more interesting options, which is a plus in my book, and after all, a big part of keyboards is the looks and customization.
Other features
As I've mentioned, the ME was fairly limited in the options available. Its base configuration is good, but beyond foams and other standard modding, there isn't much to customize here.
The TK has way more options than the ME did. Finishes, plates, LED light bar, weights, and wrist rests. I haven't even mentioned the wrist rests. There are some really nice options, and very unique too. I like that gok has left open to option to possibly sell different shells in the future too. I personally don't use a wrist rest, so it's a moot point for me, though I see how that would be appealing to other people.
Price
This is where things get a little hairy for me. From what I can tell from proto videos, each board has about an even number of pros and cons for me. I'm really happy with my ME's, but since I have an addiction like you all do, I'm always looking to add to my collection. There aren't a lot of tented ergos out there, so I've been watching this board for years now. However, I'm really tempted to buy another ME and just get it cerakoted if I want a new coloured board. I could get any colour I want, built with switches, stabs, and keycaps for probably the same price (or less) than a TK barebones kit.
I do really want the board, but I am a big believer in only keeping things if you really love them. A $750+ gamble for something that might be just ok, is a bitter pill to swallow, even if it comes from a notable figure in the space. I still have 2 weeks to decide, so we'll see how I feel at 11pm on the last day ^-^
Post by: SmilingPudding on Sat, 19 August 2023, 17:54:41
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Not sure what the other posters are basing their responses on, as they didn't elaborate on why they like the Type K over the Mountain Ergo, but I own 2 Mountain Ergo's. Here's how I'm currently weighing the 2 options:
TL;DR - Imo, without a Type K proto on hand to compare in-person with: Gok is a proven designer, has put a lot of thought into the Type K (TK), and there are more customization options available than there were for the Mountain Ergo (ME). It's a beautiful board. However, there are some compromises made in the design that make it impractical, especially considering it costs double (or more) what the Mountain Ergo did. Aesthetics and layout are subjective, and the only objective improvement is the customization available. I'm torn on whether its worth the pricetag.
Design & layout
This is subjective, of course, but there are a number of things we can look at. They are two completely different styles - the Type K is modelled after the 7V and has more of a high-tech feel, with the LED bar, PC bottom, and exposed back weight. The Mountain is very angular and simple. I will say that due the sloped sides, the Mountain's are somewhat difficult to pick up with one hand, not sure how the TK'd fare there. Thematically, I'd say the angles fit the "mountain" theme. FWIW, I like the design of the ME, but it's not anything mind-blowing. The TK definitely has a more thoughtful design - though I can't say it's to my preferences. The indicator lights on the top are a nice touch. I like the overall aesthetic, but there are a couple of things that I don't like: the spacebars and the right mods.
The TK doesn't follow the typical 2u+2.25u or 2.25u+2.75u split spacebar layout. A lot of keycap base kits are coming with a set of 1x 2u+2.25u+2.75u spacebars, which is great for split spacebar users, but means that you will now generally have to buy an additional child kit to outfit the TK vs. the ME, and buying 2nd hand sets will be much harder down the road. I feel that base kits far outsell any child kits (extension/spacebars) in general, and that they are much harder to get extras of or find on the second hand market for sets that have already run. I get that gok was going for elements of symmetry in this board, but I don't think that the compromise was worth it for that alone. That said, a larger spacebar generally has a fuller sound, though I'm not sure a .25u size difference make that much of a difference. More on sound later.
Ok, the right mods. This is purely preference, but I really dislike the look of the right shift not lining up with the enter key, or extending beyond it. I also get that the single 1.5u mod below that is supposed to emulate the WKL look, but the fact that it's inset even further also looks weird. For me, a board that is focussed on symmetry, having the right side "retract" while the left side follows the traditonal alice "pyramid" layout looks really strange. I'd prefer if the right shift was a full 2.75u size, with a 1.75u + 1u option, with either 2 x 1.5u or 1.25u mod keys below that, either in line or extended slightly beyond the right shift. Again, this is also much better for keycap compatibility as 1.25u shifts are not as common as 1.75u ones.
I do like the TKs left-hand macro column though - I find that there aren't enough keys on the ME to show off novelties or artisans.
Sound
The ME only comes in alu top mount, love it or hate it. It has a very crisp and even sound, and the alphas are very satisfying to hammer away on. Mods sounds great, spacebars sound pretty good for an Alice layout. I tend to prefer clackier builds these days, and both of my boards err on that side. One is built with WS Onions and ePBT caps, while the other one is Cannoncaps CXA WoB (MTNU Susu can't come fast enough!) on Azure Dragons. I run them both with case foam, and no plate foam, as I do find the ME has a bit of case resonance without it, but only around the spacebars. They have a nice open, clean sound. Pretty standard for a well-implemented top mount alu plate.
With the soundtests I've heard for the TK, I have... mixed feelings. I think Makerchun's build with the PC plate sounds the best. It eliminates that resonance that everyone has been talking about here. Again, I can't say for sure since I don't have a Type K, but to me it sounds more resonant / hollow than my ME's do with no foam. I get that you get to hear some of the sound signature of a board with a bit more resonance, but it does seem to be a bit over the top for a keyboard of this class, with a PC bottom and SS weight. Using a PC plate, even if it doesn't cost extra (though I have a feeling it might), might also make it sound to plasticy. For the price, this seems like a bit of a risk. I will say that the spacebars do sound better to my ear on the TK on Makerchun's PC config. I have a weird issue with the ME where the cuts in the right plate around the spacebar make the switch ever so slightly loose, and only on the one built with Azure Dragons, and since its hotswap there's nothing holding the switch in place. This makes the right space a little less satisfying that it should be. This doesn't appear to be the case with the TKs plates, as they are 1.5mm think and pretty solid, whereas the ME's plates are quite thin and have more matierial cut away.
Typing feel
The ME is fairly stiff, as is expected with no flex-cuts, and alu top mount. I have no complaints here, though I wish there was a PC plate available just to see if it would have some forgiveness to it, given that it's a keyboard focussed on ergonomics. I find that sometimes I get some fatigue in my fingers when I get going on the Azure Dragon build, though I think that's a personal issue. They are very tactile switches, have a long-pole stem, and I am a fairly heavy typist. I really enjoy hammering on heavy tactile switches. I never have this issue on the linear ME, as I tend not to type as heavy on linears.
I can't really comment on the TK, but from the videos it still looks somewhat stiff. But given that it's grommet mount and that there is a PC plate option, I think it's safe to assume that the TK will have a softer typing feel over the ME.
Finish/quality
I have both the e-white and ano black ME's. They are both smooth, even, and flawless, inside and out. The quality is top notch. The machining is also excellent, there are no scuffs, marks, or uneven lines, even on the tiny bevelled top edge, or on the plate lines cut out. I have nothing negative to say about the finish of my ME's, other than that my dumbass has put a couple tiny nicks into them when swapping them around.
Given gok's track record, I assume the TK will be the same, if not better. I will say that part of why I am drawn to the TK is the finishes - e-white and ano black are a bit basic. I'm really jealous that KBDFan's other ergo board, the Kunlun, came in all kinds of options, though those boards are too wide for me to consider purchasing one. The TK has 3 more interesting options, which is a plus in my book, and after all, a big part of keyboards is the looks and customization.
Other features
As I've mentioned, the ME was fairly limited in the options available. Its base configuration is good, but beyond foams and other standard modding, there isn't much to customize here.
The TK has way more options than the ME did. Finishes, plates, LED light bar, weights, and wrist rests. I haven't even mentioned the wrist rests. There are some really nice options, and very unique too. I like that gok has left open to option to possibly sell different shells in the future too. I personally don't use a wrist rest, so it's a moot point for me, though I see how that would be appealing to other people.
Price
This is where things get a little hairy for me. From what I can tell from proto videos, each board has about an even number of pros and cons for me. I'm really happy with my ME's, but since I have an addiction like you all do, I'm always looking to add to my collection. There aren't a lot of tented ergos out there, so I've been watching this board for years now. However, I'm really tempted to buy another ME and just get it cerakoted if I want a new coloured board. I could get any colour I want, built with switches, stabs, and keycaps for probably the same price (or less) than a TK barebones kit.
I do really want the board, but I am a big believer in only keeping things if you really love them. A $750+ gamble for something that might be just ok, is a bitter pill to swallow, even if it comes from a notable figure in the space. I still have 2 weeks to decide, so we'll see how I feel at 11pm on the last day ^-^
Thanks for the comparison.
Post by: nisiend on Sun, 20 August 2023, 02:01:58
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Not sure what the other posters are basing their responses on, as they didn't elaborate on why they like the Type K over the Mountain Ergo, but I own 2 Mountain Ergo's. Here's how I'm currently weighing the 2 options:
TL;DR - Imo, without a Type K proto on hand to compare in-person with: Gok is a proven designer, has put a lot of thought into the Type K (TK), and there are more customization options available than there were for the Mountain Ergo (ME). It's a beautiful board. However, there are some compromises made in the design that make it impractical, especially considering it costs double (or more) what the Mountain Ergo did. Aesthetics and layout are subjective, and the only objective improvement is the customization available. I'm torn on whether its worth the pricetag.
Design & layout
This is subjective, of course, but there are a number of things we can look at. They are two completely different styles - the Type K is modelled after the 7V and has more of a high-tech feel, with the LED bar, PC bottom, and exposed back weight. The Mountain is very angular and simple. I will say that due the sloped sides, the Mountain's are somewhat difficult to pick up with one hand, not sure how the TK'd fare there. Thematically, I'd say the angles fit the "mountain" theme. FWIW, I like the design of the ME, but it's not anything mind-blowing. The TK definitely has a more thoughtful design - though I can't say it's to my preferences. The indicator lights on the top are a nice touch. I like the overall aesthetic, but there are a couple of things that I don't like: the spacebars and the right mods.
The TK doesn't follow the typical 2u+2.25u or 2.25u+2.75u split spacebar layout. A lot of keycap base kits are coming with a set of 1x 2u+2.25u+2.75u spacebars, which is great for split spacebar users, but means that you will now generally have to buy an additional child kit to outfit the TK vs. the ME, and buying 2nd hand sets will be much harder down the road. I feel that base kits far outsell any child kits (extension/spacebars) in general, and that they are much harder to get extras of or find on the second hand market for sets that have already run. I get that gok was going for elements of symmetry in this board, but I don't think that the compromise was worth it for that alone. That said, a larger spacebar generally has a fuller sound, though I'm not sure a .25u size difference make that much of a difference. More on sound later.
Ok, the right mods. This is purely preference, but I really dislike the look of the right shift not lining up with the enter key, or extending beyond it. I also get that the single 1.5u mod below that is supposed to emulate the WKL look, but the fact that it's inset even further also looks weird. For me, a board that is focussed on symmetry, having the right side "retract" while the left side follows the traditonal alice "pyramid" layout looks really strange. I'd prefer if the right shift was a full 2.75u size, with a 1.75u + 1u option, with either 2 x 1.5u or 1.25u mod keys below that, either in line or extended slightly beyond the right shift. Again, this is also much better for keycap compatibility as 1.25u shifts are not as common as 1.75u ones.
I do like the TKs left-hand macro column though - I find that there aren't enough keys on the ME to show off novelties or artisans.
Sound
The ME only comes in alu top mount, love it or hate it. It has a very crisp and even sound, and the alphas are very satisfying to hammer away on. Mods sounds great, spacebars sound pretty good for an Alice layout. I tend to prefer clackier builds these days, and both of my boards err on that side. One is built with WS Onions and ePBT caps, while the other one is Cannoncaps CXA WoB (MTNU Susu can't come fast enough!) on Azure Dragons. I run them both with case foam, and no plate foam, as I do find the ME has a bit of case resonance without it, but only around the spacebars. They have a nice open, clean sound. Pretty standard for a well-implemented top mount alu plate.
With the soundtests I've heard for the TK, I have... mixed feelings. I think Makerchun's build with the PC plate sounds the best. It eliminates that resonance that everyone has been talking about here. Again, I can't say for sure since I don't have a Type K, but to me it sounds more resonant / hollow than my ME's do with no foam. I get that you get to hear some of the sound signature of a board with a bit more resonance, but it does seem to be a bit over the top for a keyboard of this class, with a PC bottom and SS weight. Using a PC plate, even if it doesn't cost extra (though I have a feeling it might), might also make it sound to plasticy. For the price, this seems like a bit of a risk. I will say that the spacebars do sound better to my ear on the TK on Makerchun's PC config. I have a weird issue with the ME where the cuts in the right plate around the spacebar make the switch ever so slightly loose, and only on the one built with Azure Dragons, and since its hotswap there's nothing holding the switch in place. This makes the right space a little less satisfying that it should be. This doesn't appear to be the case with the TKs plates, as they are 1.5mm think and pretty solid, whereas the ME's plates are quite thin and have more matierial cut away.
Typing feel
The ME is fairly stiff, as is expected with no flex-cuts, and alu top mount. I have no complaints here, though I wish there was a PC plate available just to see if it would have some forgiveness to it, given that it's a keyboard focussed on ergonomics. I find that sometimes I get some fatigue in my fingers when I get going on the Azure Dragon build, though I think that's a personal issue. They are very tactile switches, have a long-pole stem, and I am a fairly heavy typist. I really enjoy hammering on heavy tactile switches. I never have this issue on the linear ME, as I tend not to type as heavy on linears.
I can't really comment on the TK, but from the videos it still looks somewhat stiff. But given that it's grommet mount and that there is a PC plate option, I think it's safe to assume that the TK will have a softer typing feel over the ME.
Finish/quality
I have both the e-white and ano black ME's. They are both smooth, even, and flawless, inside and out. The quality is top notch. The machining is also excellent, there are no scuffs, marks, or uneven lines, even on the tiny bevelled top edge, or on the plate lines cut out. I have nothing negative to say about the finish of my ME's, other than that my dumbass has put a couple tiny nicks into them when swapping them around.
Given gok's track record, I assume the TK will be the same, if not better. I will say that part of why I am drawn to the TK is the finishes - e-white and ano black are a bit basic. I'm really jealous that KBDFan's other ergo board, the Kunlun, came in all kinds of options, though those boards are too wide for me to consider purchasing one. The TK has 3 more interesting options, which is a plus in my book, and after all, a big part of keyboards is the looks and customization.
Other features
As I've mentioned, the ME was fairly limited in the options available. Its base configuration is good, but beyond foams and other standard modding, there isn't much to customize here.
The TK has way more options than the ME did. Finishes, plates, LED light bar, weights, and wrist rests. I haven't even mentioned the wrist rests. There are some really nice options, and very unique too. I like that gok has left open to option to possibly sell different shells in the future too. I personally don't use a wrist rest, so it's a moot point for me, though I see how that would be appealing to other people.
Price
This is where things get a little hairy for me. From what I can tell from proto videos, each board has about an even number of pros and cons for me. I'm really happy with my ME's, but since I have an addiction like you all do, I'm always looking to add to my collection. There aren't a lot of tented ergos out there, so I've been watching this board for years now. However, I'm really tempted to buy another ME and just get it cerakoted if I want a new coloured board. I could get any colour I want, built with switches, stabs, and keycaps for probably the same price (or less) than a TK barebones kit.
I do really want the board, but I am a big believer in only keeping things if you really love them. A $750+ gamble for something that might be just ok, is a bitter pill to swallow, even if it comes from a notable figure in the space. I still have 2 weeks to decide, so we'll see how I feel at 11pm on the last day ^-^
That's a brilliant write up sir, hats off to you.
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 20 August 2023, 16:39:26
The biggest driving factor for the layout wasn't necessarily symmetry, but to have an even tenting angle. To achieve this, you either need to have both halves be as wide as each other or have uneven bezel thicknesses. Most tented boards just concede that they won't have even tenting.
On a standard Alice layout, the left half is roughly 8.25u wide and the right is 8.75u wide. One macro key was added to the left which increases it to roughly 8.5u but on the right side, the area that protrudes the most is the shift and Fn. I only needed to reduce the overall width by 0.5u but a 2.5u shift (or 1.5u split right shift) doesn't exist so I needed to drop it down further to 2.25u with a 1.25u split shift (which is supported in most base kits).
For the right control key, it is a reach on standard Alice so I wanted to bring it closer to the middle. There is an argument to bring it even closer but to push it out in line with the shift would be counterproductive for a board which is trying to be more ergonomic.
Lastly, I'll go over the spacebars which is probably the one that is causing the most issues when it comes to keycap compatibility.
On a standard Alice board, the left spacebar is forced to have a split key. My thumb tends to rest on the gap between the split keys whether it is the 2.25+1 or 2+1.25 layout option.
I could flip the split key to the right half but that is just moving the issue.
I wanted users to be able to choose which side they split their spacebar on and 3u is the largest size that can be split further. The next size down is 2.25u which can split into 1.25u+1, but that is far too small for a spacebar.
Post by: keyslug on Sun, 20 August 2023, 17:04:20
Beautiful board and really appreciate all the attention to details and the layout of this board - my wife is finally jumping into the custom keyboard deep end with this board.
Patiently waiting for NovelKeys to list the group buy. I suppose it will go up Monday?
Post by: Krolyk on Sun, 20 August 2023, 21:19:16
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Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 21 August 2023, 13:15:05
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Not sure what the other posters are basing their responses on, as they didn't elaborate on why they like the Type K over the Mountain Ergo, but I own 2 Mountain Ergo's. Here's how I'm currently weighing the 2 options:
TL;DR - Imo, without a Type K proto on hand to compare in-person with: Gok is a proven designer, has put a lot of thought into the Type K (TK), and there are more customization options available than there were for the Mountain Ergo (ME). It's a beautiful board. However, there are some compromises made in the design that make it impractical, especially considering it costs double (or more) what the Mountain Ergo did. Aesthetics and layout are subjective, and the only objective improvement is the customization available. I'm torn on whether its worth the pricetag.
Design & layout
This is subjective, of course, but there are a number of things we can look at. They are two completely different styles - the Type K is modelled after the 7V and has more of a high-tech feel, with the LED bar, PC bottom, and exposed back weight. The Mountain is very angular and simple. I will say that due the sloped sides, the Mountain's are somewhat difficult to pick up with one hand, not sure how the TK'd fare there. Thematically, I'd say the angles fit the "mountain" theme. FWIW, I like the design of the ME, but it's not anything mind-blowing. The TK definitely has a more thoughtful design - though I can't say it's to my preferences. The indicator lights on the top are a nice touch. I like the overall aesthetic, but there are a couple of things that I don't like: the spacebars and the right mods.
The TK doesn't follow the typical 2u+2.25u or 2.25u+2.75u split spacebar layout. A lot of keycap base kits are coming with a set of 1x 2u+2.25u+2.75u spacebars, which is great for split spacebar users, but means that you will now generally have to buy an additional child kit to outfit the TK vs. the ME, and buying 2nd hand sets will be much harder down the road. I feel that base kits far outsell any child kits (extension/spacebars) in general, and that they are much harder to get extras of or find on the second hand market for sets that have already run. I get that gok was going for elements of symmetry in this board, but I don't think that the compromise was worth it for that alone. That said, a larger spacebar generally has a fuller sound, though I'm not sure a .25u size difference make that much of a difference. More on sound later.
Ok, the right mods. This is purely preference, but I really dislike the look of the right shift not lining up with the enter key, or extending beyond it. I also get that the single 1.5u mod below that is supposed to emulate the WKL look, but the fact that it's inset even further also looks weird. For me, a board that is focussed on symmetry, having the right side "retract" while the left side follows the traditonal alice "pyramid" layout looks really strange. I'd prefer if the right shift was a full 2.75u size, with a 1.75u + 1u option, with either 2 x 1.5u or 1.25u mod keys below that, either in line or extended slightly beyond the right shift. Again, this is also much better for keycap compatibility as 1.25u shifts are not as common as 1.75u ones.
I do like the TKs left-hand macro column though - I find that there aren't enough keys on the ME to show off novelties or artisans.
Sound
The ME only comes in alu top mount, love it or hate it. It has a very crisp and even sound, and the alphas are very satisfying to hammer away on. Mods sounds great, spacebars sound pretty good for an Alice layout. I tend to prefer clackier builds these days, and both of my boards err on that side. One is built with WS Onions and ePBT caps, while the other one is Cannoncaps CXA WoB (MTNU Susu can't come fast enough!) on Azure Dragons. I run them both with case foam, and no plate foam, as I do find the ME has a bit of case resonance without it, but only around the spacebars. They have a nice open, clean sound. Pretty standard for a well-implemented top mount alu plate.
With the soundtests I've heard for the TK, I have... mixed feelings. I think Makerchun's build with the PC plate sounds the best. It eliminates that resonance that everyone has been talking about here. Again, I can't say for sure since I don't have a Type K, but to me it sounds more resonant / hollow than my ME's do with no foam. I get that you get to hear some of the sound signature of a board with a bit more resonance, but it does seem to be a bit over the top for a keyboard of this class, with a PC bottom and SS weight. Using a PC plate, even if it doesn't cost extra (though I have a feeling it might), might also make it sound to plasticy. For the price, this seems like a bit of a risk. I will say that the spacebars do sound better to my ear on the TK on Makerchun's PC config. I have a weird issue with the ME where the cuts in the right plate around the spacebar make the switch ever so slightly loose, and only on the one built with Azure Dragons, and since its hotswap there's nothing holding the switch in place. This makes the right space a little less satisfying that it should be. This doesn't appear to be the case with the TKs plates, as they are 1.5mm think and pretty solid, whereas the ME's plates are quite thin and have more matierial cut away.
Typing feel
The ME is fairly stiff, as is expected with no flex-cuts, and alu top mount. I have no complaints here, though I wish there was a PC plate available just to see if it would have some forgiveness to it, given that it's a keyboard focussed on ergonomics. I find that sometimes I get some fatigue in my fingers when I get going on the Azure Dragon build, though I think that's a personal issue. They are very tactile switches, have a long-pole stem, and I am a fairly heavy typist. I really enjoy hammering on heavy tactile switches. I never have this issue on the linear ME, as I tend not to type as heavy on linears.
I can't really comment on the TK, but from the videos it still looks somewhat stiff. But given that it's grommet mount and that there is a PC plate option, I think it's safe to assume that the TK will have a softer typing feel over the ME.
Finish/quality
I have both the e-white and ano black ME's. They are both smooth, even, and flawless, inside and out. The quality is top notch. The machining is also excellent, there are no scuffs, marks, or uneven lines, even on the tiny bevelled top edge, or on the plate lines cut out. I have nothing negative to say about the finish of my ME's, other than that my dumbass has put a couple tiny nicks into them when swapping them around.
Given gok's track record, I assume the TK will be the same, if not better. I will say that part of why I am drawn to the TK is the finishes - e-white and ano black are a bit basic. I'm really jealous that KBDFan's other ergo board, the Kunlun, came in all kinds of options, though those boards are too wide for me to consider purchasing one. The TK has 3 more interesting options, which is a plus in my book, and after all, a big part of keyboards is the looks and customization.
Other features
As I've mentioned, the ME was fairly limited in the options available. Its base configuration is good, but beyond foams and other standard modding, there isn't much to customize here.
The TK has way more options than the ME did. Finishes, plates, LED light bar, weights, and wrist rests. I haven't even mentioned the wrist rests. There are some really nice options, and very unique too. I like that gok has left open to option to possibly sell different shells in the future too. I personally don't use a wrist rest, so it's a moot point for me, though I see how that would be appealing to other people.
Price
This is where things get a little hairy for me. From what I can tell from proto videos, each board has about an even number of pros and cons for me. I'm really happy with my ME's, but since I have an addiction like you all do, I'm always looking to add to my collection. There aren't a lot of tented ergos out there, so I've been watching this board for years now. However, I'm really tempted to buy another ME and just get it cerakoted if I want a new coloured board. I could get any colour I want, built with switches, stabs, and keycaps for probably the same price (or less) than a TK barebones kit.
I do really want the board, but I am a big believer in only keeping things if you really love them. A $750+ gamble for something that might be just ok, is a bitter pill to swallow, even if it comes from a notable figure in the space. I still have 2 weeks to decide, so we'll see how I feel at 11pm on the last day ^-^
First I am going to preface this by saying I don't think the ME is a bad keyboard, I do not intend to make fun or belittle the product, KBDFans nor the PCB designer. This is my analysis, albeit obviously biased, of how you missed a huge part of your comparison: significant work was done in TK's PCBs to make them not only top notch in quality but also the best in terms of user experience. Yes, I am tooting my own horn here.
First, you will see from the build video in KBDFans' own YT channel below:
that the ME PCB uses 14-pin components which are basically a way to tone down costs to the pennies. This also applies to the daughterboard, the cables used, and the PCB assembly. I can also wager that the PCBs were manufactured using lower standards.
Second, the possibility of having a hotswap option. ME does not have a hotswap PCB option, and all us three (me, kevin and Gok) spent hours making a HS PCB that had all possible layouts. You lose no compatibility with the HS PCBs.
Third, ME's PCBs are not QMK/VIA compatible, but TMK compatible (QMK's precursor) and remappeable through the YMDK tool. I can assure you that the user experience with TK is way better. We went through hell to make the keyboard as configurable as possible: for instance, the indicators on TK are fully user configurable. All three indicators can have their color set on VIA, as well as their functionality. So you want your right indicator to be teal and do caps lock and num lock? You got it. You want your central indicator top be yellow to do layer 1, the right indicator to be magenta and do layer 2, and both indicators to light up when in layer 3? That's exactly what I am using right now.
Below is the VIA screen.
(https://imgur.com/fCKV2TT.png)
You will also notice that the ME PCB can only do split backspace. It cannot do split right shift, nor can it do alternative bottom row layouts, only the defaults and that's it. Yeah, ok, getting 3U keycaps and wires is some hassle (and even then, gok and kevin are including the wires with the base kit for TK) but we do support alternative bottom row layouts.
Finally, I will also point out that the ME PCBs came in a frame using a tool we call "ratbites", which are small holes added to bridges of PCB materials meant to make the PCB easier to break off. However, the mousebites are kind of meh because they are really not so easy to break off, always leave material behind (how would you like toxic FR4 dust in your desk?) and really don't look good after breaking. We did that exact scheme on the first TK PCBs (I believe there are some pictures of that version lying around) but gok said that this is really bad for the user experience, so we went with the technical difficult and little bit more costly choice of using V-cuts. Basically the TK PCBs are pre-cut to make breaking easier, so all you have to do is snap them apart without breaking any materials. This was also done with the RGB strip PCBs. And guess what? Mousebites are cheaper.
And let's not forget, TK will also have an Electrocapacitive kit coming down which Cipulot is working on and I have the honor of saying I am helping him with design and firmware because he's awesome and the Topre messiah.
We all went to hell and back to make the overall "TypeK experience" simply unparalleled. From my end, I can say TK was a technical challenge both in the PCB design, but also in the manufacturing and user experience design fields. We got to the point of adjusting connector positions down to millimeters so it would be easier to connect.
Post by: vhaarr on Mon, 21 August 2023, 14:47:28
And let's not forget, TK will also have an Electrocapacitive kit coming down which Cipulot is working on and I have the honor of saying I am helping him with design and firmware because he's awesome and the Topre messiah.
I was slightly on the fence with the TK because I'm not used to Alice yet (I just bought a keycron q10 to try it out), but this really cemented it for me :-D
Also, I had no idea. Perhaps EC compat has only been announced on Discord?
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 21 August 2023, 15:24:47
Same, where can I follow this project that isn't discord? I had no idea but I'm way into getting EC on this board.And let's not forget, TK will also have an Electrocapacitive kit coming down which Cipulot is working on and I have the honor of saying I am helping him with design and firmware because he's awesome and the Topre messiah.
I was slightly on the fence with the TK because I'm not used to Alice yet (I just bought a keycron q10 to try it out), but this really cemented it for me :-D
Also, I had no idea. Perhaps EC compat has only been announced on Discord?
Post by: Rhienfo on Mon, 21 August 2023, 18:14:25
Same, where can I follow this project that isn't discord? I had no idea but I'm way into getting EC on this board.
I think this discord is where other updates will be - https://discord.gg/eTBjdAuzAa
keep in mind I think it will be announced in the GB when it gets released. If it doesn't I'm sure someone including myself will update the thread accordingly.
Post by: ToFuMaNiA on Mon, 21 August 2023, 20:20:34