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If many people have problems typing symbols in the numrow, they’ll need to learn step yo their keyboard gameThis is some pretentious, neckbeard, gatekeeping ****. And I stand behind it entirely
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yes. all in or nothing at all!If many people have problems typing symbols in the numrow, they’ll need to learn step yo their keyboard gameThis is some pretentious, neckbeard, gatekeeping ****. And I stand behind it entirely
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I think adding white accents into tradition kit would be nice as the sole purpose of it is to replace the icon mods in the first place; or correct me if I’m wrong.
How close is the blue here to the one from Space Cadet? Just curious because from the renders it looks fairly similar (this is not criticism, I think the blue from SC is lovely).
Great set!
2. Considering how text mods have always been more popular than icon mods, you might as well put the Katakana mods in the base kit and make a separate icon mod kit.
3. How about going the last extra mile and use Katakana for the rest of the keys (Enter, nav cluster, etc) like Kuro/Shiro?
4. One selfish thing: No numpad in base kit please and thank you? :)
Swap base mods for tradition kit and you got yourself a winner.
I've always been bothered by the F row being totally out of place with the rest of the characters, but that seems to be the case with most Hiragana/katakana sets.
Thanks for the compliment! I appreciate it :D
I personally do not own a GMK Space Cadet set. And since this set was matched to a Signature Plastic SA set, I can't compare Space Cadet's blue to this blue tone. But I do own GMK Striker and it will be brighter and less purple than Striker's blue.
I find it odd that the number row uses katakana legends but the numpad uses arabic numerals. Is it possible for numpad to use katakana legends as well?
Can we get an ortho kit with full Preonic support, please? :)
All icon mod sets are the best but the mixed alignments are kinda meh. Continue with the 8008/9009 trend and use the fixed legends and also, if it's not too much trouble, fix the nav cluster legends as well.
This is weeb af, and I love it! Can we go all the way and replace F1-F12 with Japanese characters?
I've always been bothered by the F row being totally out of place with the rest of the characters, but that seems to be the case with most Hiragana/katakana sets.
Perhaps the F1..F12 legends could be replaced with circled numbers (①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨⑩⑪⑫ — see Unicode U+2460 through U+246B ); that way, no single Latin letter would remain in the keycap set.
Count me in. Hopefully the blue is an old-washed-traditional-indigo like what I had in my head.
A suggestion about numpad (or any numbers): to keep the mood consistent—if no any representative character, how about using dots used on Carbon R2 Rolling Bones kit?
Please add some 1u keys for ortho support.
I can understand where you are coming from when it comes to mold costs. I do disagree in regards to you saying the arrows are misaligned in that pic, though there's not really a point in discussing that further if you as the designer don't like the look of the left-center aligned arrows.All icon mod sets are the best but the mixed alignments are kinda meh. Continue with the 8008/9009 trend and use the fixed legends and also, if it's not too much trouble, fix the nav cluster legends as well.
I understand your concerns about the mixed alignments. Though, most people are still used to the traditional icon position while not everyone agrees with the new 9009 icon position. If I would also fix the nav cluster that would be 11 new molds that GMK probably won't support. Getting quite expensive huh? Another reason is the misalignment from the arrow cluster. The ↓ is too low compared to the imaginary horizontal line in the bottom row. However, you can still use the icon+text shift and a 1u icon since 1u icons are centered if it bothers you.Show Image(https://imgur.com/HDErLci.png)
Not interested in buying base + 40s kit, even though that's the trend now, so I'll pass.What else would you want to buy - Alphas + 40s? You know that's simply not doable in GMK, right?
40s in base or separate alphas+ortho/40s/ergo.Not interested in buying base + 40s kit, even though that's the trend now, so I'll pass.What else would you want to buy - Alphas + 40s? You know that's simply not doable in GMK, right?
40s in base or separate alphas+ortho/40s/ergo.
40s in base or separate alphas+ortho/40s/ergo.
2. Considering how text mods have always been more popular than icon mods, you might as well put the Katakana mods in the base kit and make a separate icon mod kit.
3. How about going the last extra mile and use Katakana for the rest of the keys (Enter, nav cluster, etc) like Kuro/Shiro?
4. One selfish thing: No numpad in base kit please and thank you? :)Swap base mods for tradition kit and you got yourself a winner.
I have already tested it putting on Katakana font onto a 1u key. The problem here is you can't insert more than 4 Katakana characters on the little 1u key if you want to keep the same font size as of the rest of the set. E.g. the page down translation into Katakana would be ペジダウン. That's already 5 characters and it would be 1 too much to fit onto the 1u key. If you compare the コード keys from the Enjoypbt Kuro Shiro set, you can clearly see different font sizes were used. He cheated a little bit for the コード to fit in. That's the main reason why I didn't include 1u Katakana keys therefore I can't use Katakana on the Nav Cluster. Priority is consistency, otherwise it would look weird. I have tested it on many renders before.
I could offer a 60% compatible base kit with Katakana only but this would cut half of the market off and it wouldn't include 1u mod keys. So rather a complete set then with icon mods.Show Image(https://imgur.com/toZgYuN.png)
And btw Enjoypbt Kuro Shiro Nav Cluster consists mostly of Kanji (Chinese Symbols) and not Katakana
I love the icons in base+1 vote to maintain icon mod in base kit
I love the icons in base+1 vote to maintain icon mod in base kit
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Nice
Tradition mods needs to be in the base. Icon mods can be in or out. Base kit without the tradition mods defeats the whole purpose of the set.
Icons should just be thrown out to be completely honest. Bottom row icons is goddamn attrocious. So is Nav cluster, but in this particular set it can slide since there's no other way around it in terms of not using standard English text there.
I am planning to add an Icon kit with white accents if I go with full Katakana mods. But I didn't thought about the white mods before. How do you want the white mods to look like? With icons or with Katakana? I need to test them on renders first to see the rather unusual colorway. But I like that idea
White accents with Katakana would look pretty slick and fit the aesthetic. I think I'd probably go for the straight blue look myself, but it would be weird for everything to be Katakana except the accent key.
Thanks to your valueable feedback I have finally decided to include the Tradition mods in the Value kit and to offer the icon mods as a separate kit.
A mastapeece, just like Super Mario Bros 2 :cool:You misspelled Knack.
A R1 1U Escape key that isn't an icon would be real nice also.+1
All icon mod sets are the best but the mixed alignments are kinda meh. Continue with the 8008/9009 trend and use the fixed legends and also, if it's not too much trouble, fix the nav cluster legends as well.
This is damn lovely.
Any word on some Ortho love for this kit? Traditional ortho keys would be <3
Seconded. Would love/need ortho for this.
This is damn lovely.
Any word on some Ortho love for this kit? Traditional ortho keys would be <3Seconded. Would love/need ortho for this.
+1
+ another one for ortho
Next thing to do will be a nice deskmat, maybe an Artisan (Rama?), and maybe even ortho support.
I am still working on an exact GB date. The plan is to launch in April. Not sure about that date yet since I don‘t want another similar themed keyset at the same time.
Did not find a link to the discord channel for this, but it would be awesome to get an update here from the host of the IC/GB.
Also, just shamelessly bumping to get Ortho Traditional Kit some more attention :)
Only want my hands on this kit!
Thanks for the update!! Any estimate on the GB?
the preserving kit could use a r2 kanji esc, r2 1u kanji backspace, and a r2 1u icon backspace.There's no kanji in the rest of the set though.... I think you mean katakana?
Thanks for the update!! Any estimate on the GB?
Not exactly yet, but after the quote from GMK, I will set the GB date. Estimated date right now is April/May
the preserving kit could use a r2 kanji esc, r2 1u kanji backspace, and a r2 1u icon backspace.There's no kanji in the rest of the set though.... I think you mean katakana?
Thanks for the update!! Any estimate on the GB?
Not exactly yet, but after the quote from GMK, I will set the GB date. Estimated date right now is April/May
the preserving kit could use a r2 kanji esc, r2 1u kanji backspace, and a r2 1u icon backspace.
Kits update!
I am back! Sorry for the lack of updates in past months. I had to decide which option would be the best to implement the Katakana mods into the base kit without going too far with the number of new molds. So here they are
Kits
バリュー VALUEShow Image(https://imgur.com/YRggGl8.png)
クラリティ CLARITYShow Image(https://imgur.com/cqO6UMe.png)
プレサビング PRESERVINGShow Image(https://imgur.com/ReKxObn.png)
What has changed?
I changed the font. The Katakana are now more rounded to match the latin counterpart better. They look like they came straight from GMK.
I've also implemented the most requested change and put the Katakana mods into the base kit while I've created a new kit for the beloved icon mods. I've also added basic Ortho and 40s staggered support to the spacebar kit, since this was also quite often demanded.
And good news for all canadians: https://deskhero.ca will also join us to our party ;D
Kits update!
I am back! Sorry for the lack of updates in past months. I had to decide which option would be the best to implement the Katakana mods into the base kit without going too far with the number of new molds. So here they are
Kits
バリュー VALUEShow Image(https://imgur.com/YRggGl8.png)
クラリティ CLARITYShow Image(https://imgur.com/cqO6UMe.png)
プレサビング PRESERVINGShow Image(https://imgur.com/ReKxObn.png)
What has changed?
I changed the font. The Katakana are now more rounded to match the latin counterpart better. They look like they came straight from GMK.
I've also implemented the most requested change and put the Katakana mods into the base kit while I've created a new kit for the beloved icon mods. I've also added basic Ortho and 40s staggered support to the spacebar kit, since this was also quite often demanded.
And good news for all canadians: https://deskhero.ca will also join us to our party ;D
Should the Alt be アルト instead of オルト?
I know that this is a long shot, but would you consider having a 1.5u Shift key? After seeing the layout of the Evolv keyboard, it really makes the difference having all the nav cluster aligned that way.
Either way, I am looking forward to this keyset!
Thanks for the update!! Any estimate on the GB?
Not exactly yet, but after the quote from GMK, I will set the GB date. Estimated date right now is April/May
I would say may at the soonest. Bushido is running in April, running then would make some ppl have to choose.
Sorry if this has been asked already. But is the white ws1?
This set will use OG cherry arrows, and the modifier keys will be centered like in the render. They should make a straight line without ruining the aesthetics of that beautiful board. Don't worry, the legends won't be out of place at least in my opinion
Also, what's the R1 1u dash-inside-of-dotted-box supposed to be?
It's for long vowels: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/katakana.html#part2
Excellent update.
The only small detail I'd point out is the lack of a white-on-blue vertical ("ISO") Enter in the Clarity kit, which would force the use of the blue-on-white one if going with an all-icons style.
Subjective question: This would be easy to pair with an e-white board but if I were to pick blue, what shades go well with the Masterpiece?
I suggest dropping the various R1 1u backspaces. Generally speaking, it's a seldom used key and dropping it will help save keys across a couple of kits.
Also, what's the R1 1u dash-inside-of-dotted-box supposed to be?
One minor question/request: the 1u blue Enter key in the Preserving kit is the only Enter key without a white counterpart. Was that intentional?
As psxndc already explained it, I included all keys for a proper ISO Japanese layout. That's the theme for this set, so I won't likely drop them.
The practical use of these 1u keys is for HHKB layout and other layouts with a divided backspace.
Here is an older render as exampleShow Image(https://imgur.com/C9GfCnb.png)
not the biggest fan of the nav cluster icons, but still very nice+1
not the biggest fan of the nav cluster icons, but still very nice+1
The nav cluster icons look so out of place with the whole base kit
Subjective question: This would be easy to pair with an e-white board but if I were to pick blue, what shades go well with the Masterpiece?
The "bluest" blue you can get :D
Jk I will release the blue colour when the GB starts, and then I can assist you to pick the right blue.
One minor question/request: the 1u blue Enter key in the Preserving kit is the only Enter key without a white counterpart. Was that intentional?
Yes that's intended. I thought that would look a bit out of place because of the smaller 1u key. If you don't like it this way I will consider it
Show Image(https://imgur.com/0uf6P1M.png)
Small change on the Clarity kit. I added the blue missing keys because I don't want to force users to use a specific colour
Don't know if this has been asked or not, but is there any plans for Rama / Deskmat for this set?
Thanks!
Looks really nice. Love it. Will there be a novelty kit?
Also, may we know the meaning of each modifier? :)
Looks really nice. Love it. Will there be a novelty kit?
Also, may we know the meaning of each modifier? :)
I don‘t have any plans to add a novelty kit because I think it really doesn‘t need it. This will also be certainly better for your wallet I guess haha
The modifier are english terms transliterated in the japanese phonetic spelling. The japanese language uses many loanwords (gairaigo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gairaigo), most of them are of english origin. Loanwords are usually written in Katakana, that‘s why we use Katakana here instead of Hiragana and Kanji
Control コントロール kontorooru
System システム shisutemu
Alt オルト oruto
Shift シフト shifuto
Enter エンター entaa
Backspace バックスペース bakkusupeesu
Caps キャップス kyappusu
Menu メニュー menyuu
Tab タブ tabu
What is the R4 1u key just below the ISO enter in the main kit? Is that the equivalent 'Fn' key?
just a thought, if the keys that translate to katakana breaches the max lengths of 4 char (like your example on pagedown), is there a thought of including kanji?
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Love the blue on this set, but Japanese-only keys makes this hard for me. Did you ever consider an add-on kit with latin alphas or duo language caps?
Please fill out this quick form if you are seriously interested in a latin alpha kit! That would help me pretty much to decide
https://forms.gle/HCUrEttepaTLtrDA9
Thanks!
Please fill out this quick form if you are seriously interested in a latin alpha kit! That would help me pretty much to decide
https://forms.gle/HCUrEttepaTLtrDA9
Thanks!
What about latin sub alphas?
Kidding, I'm satisfied with the current kits.
What about latin sub alphas?
Kidding, I'm satisfied with the current kits.
Next one will probably say WhErE iS mY fUlL cUsToM bAse. I wAnT IsO-tExAs
Please fill out this quick form if you are seriously interested in a latin alpha kit! That would help me pretty much to decide
https://forms.gle/HCUrEttepaTLtrDA9
Thanks!
Really love the blue color! This speaks to me so much.
Personally I feel WS1 is too white in this set, considering the blue is having a touch of vintage vibe (love that indigo!)
I recommend using CP instead (at first I want to suggest L9 but that might make this set maybe too vintage lol)
And how about the upside-down Alt icon? Like the one in Modern Dolch Light Modern kit https://i.imgur.com/xXmNAnc.jpg
Composition speaking, I think it looks better and might be more familiar since macOS use that one.
Really want this come in Ergo but it's cannot even considered as a stretch with all these new legends :p maybe next time!
Please fill out this quick form if you are seriously interested in a latin alpha kit! That would help me pretty much to decide
https://forms.gle/HCUrEttepaTLtrDA9
Thanks!
I love the fact that it will be katakana only. It sets it apart from so many other sets out there and looks really amazing and I will 100% be buying the Katakana only set. And this is coming from someone that CANNOT touch type lmao
I love the fact that it will be katakana only. It sets it apart from so many other sets out there and looks really amazing and I will 100% be buying the Katakana only set. And this is coming from someone that CANNOT touch type lmao
What is the reason behind that merciless thinking? You will get what you want anyway (katana only), why block happiness for other people? if there will be Latin alphas more people will get this set. Love for everyone. Not just yourself.
BTW: Having the katana only, will not make this set "apart from so many other sets", contrary! It will show this set is limited and separates people, and the whole idea of "community" should support all of us if the business side of this project allows it.
Peace!
The reason why I chose WS1 is because of the reason I wanted as much contrast as possible for the legends while keeping the warmness of the WS1 white. For a dark and light set like GMK Olivia with its light alphas for example it is something different. In that case I agree to you. There you need the colours to "approach" in order to keep a good colour harmony that is pleasant to look at. And hey, the WS1 colour may fade from time to time and it creates a vintage look over time :)
The updside-down Alt icon is referred to a Mac's option key. Thus I also need to replace the diamond icon which is the system icon, and that would upset some Windows, Linux users out there. I personally think the diamond/normal Alt icon is better because it‘s more universal. You can use it for every system
I don’t think he was being merciless, he was just stating an opinion. I’m in for all katakanas, but if enough votes warrant a latin alphas kit, that’d be great: more keycaps for everyone.
the preserving kit could use a r2 kanji esc, r2 1u kanji backspace, and a r2 1u icon backspace.
I know you aren't 100% satisfied with my decision for Ortho support, but it is impossible to consider all wishes without to go overboard with the keys, molds, costs etc. I had of course do to some compromises otherwise there is no other solution. The reason why I didn't add a separate Ortho/40s kit is because of the usual low numbers and the vendors have to buy them out. But overall, I appreciate your interest :thumb:
Since a West kit has been added, I figure this is at least worth a shot again: can we get a full ortho set or at least add a couple keys to make one? I'm looking at my Preonic and dunno how I'm going to cover it with the current sets.
There are enough keys to fill a Preonic if you take the Value and the Preserving kit. Use the keys from the navigation cluster and arrows as well. You have several different options for the bottom row since the Value kit is quite big and generous (notice there are 7 1u bottom row keys)
There are enough keys to fill a Preonic if you take the Value and the Preserving kit. Use the keys from the navigation cluster and arrows as well. You have several different options for the bottom row since the Value kit is quite big and generous (notice there are 7 1u bottom row keys)
yeah, sorry, I wasn't clear at all. My bad. My concern isn't the bottom rows; you're right that I'm totally covered there. The concern is R2/R3 - there seem to be limited options. Below is how I guess I would lay it out.
left side top to bottom:
R1: 1u escape from value (ro from value if escape on R2)
R2: 1u escape from preserving? (I usually prefer tab here, but that's me; I know a lot of folks have esc on R3). What are my other options?
R3: 1u tab from preserving I guess?
R4: 1u shift from preserving
R4: 1u control from value
right side top to bottom:
R1: a lot of options, e.g,. 1u delete from value; 1u bksp from clarity.
R2: ?? rendaku key from value?
R3: 1u mu key from value?
R4: 1u enter key from preserving
R4: 1u right arrow from value.
Thanks for the render and for walking me through the options. Sorry if the preonic render was posted before and I missed it (I even went back through and couldn't find it)! Looking forward to this!
Render revision
I worked hard in the last days to get more colour accurate renders. I optimized the lighting for a more natural and accurate light for the blue. All renders are also updated with the new lighting setup. Note that I didn't change anything on the colour. The blue remains the same RAL. I will release the RAL colour soon when the GB approaches further
バリュー VALUEShow Image(https://imgur.com/5VUtq0R.png)
クラリティ CLARITYShow Image(https://imgur.com/yqGsefj.png)
プレサビング PRESERVINGShow Image(https://imgur.com/o2Im9Rk.png)
ウェスト WESTShow Image(https://imgur.com/XVjxZt6.png)
KBDfans KBD19xShow Image(https://imgur.com/8YogA70.png)
Can you die of a color ?Render revision
I worked hard in the last days to get more colour accurate renders. I optimized the lighting for a more natural and accurate light for the blue. All renders are also updated with the new lighting setup. Note that I didn't change anything on the colour. The blue remains the same RAL. I will release the RAL colour soon when the GB approaches further
バリュー VALUEShow Image(https://imgur.com/5VUtq0R.png)
クラリティ CLARITYShow Image(https://imgur.com/yqGsefj.png)
プレサビング PRESERVINGShow Image(https://imgur.com/o2Im9Rk.png)
ウェスト WESTShow Image(https://imgur.com/XVjxZt6.png)
KBDfans KBD19xShow Image(https://imgur.com/8YogA70.png)
IT'S SO BLUE IM GONNA DIE
Can you die of a color ?Render revision
I worked hard in the last days to get more colour accurate renders. I optimized the lighting for a more natural and accurate light for the blue. All renders are also updated with the new lighting setup. Note that I didn't change anything on the colour. The blue remains the same RAL. I will release the RAL colour soon when the GB approaches further
バリュー VALUEShow Image(https://imgur.com/5VUtq0R.png)
クラリティ CLARITYShow Image(https://imgur.com/yqGsefj.png)
プレサビング PRESERVINGShow Image(https://imgur.com/o2Im9Rk.png)
ウェスト WESTShow Image(https://imgur.com/XVjxZt6.png)
KBDfans KBD19xShow Image(https://imgur.com/8YogA70.png)
IT'S SO BLUE IM GONNA DIE
Is there a date now?
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So, for the icon mods.. are you super settled on the old upper left aligned shift/caps keys? Would you consider doing the new center alignment?
Any Chance For A Rama Cap Or Some Other Artisan Caps?
Deskmats
ウェイブ WAVEShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/fLLyfAa.png)
エンドゲーム ENDGAMEShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/51jVL6C.png)
キューブ CUBEShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aHWQoj1.png)
Give me your thoughts on these deskmats! No april fool joke here ;D
Very cool deskmat and set! I like the endgame and wave deskmats the best. Maybe the wave one would look better with a darker blue and brighter white like on the porcelain?
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What’s the translation on the endgame mat?From left to right it's phonetically:
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Props to those who can read japanese :D
Value kit change (base kit)Show Image(https://imgur.com/QN5dc1x.png)
中止
After a longer consideration, I changed the Katakana escape key to a Kanji composition. In my opinion the previous legend didn't looked naturally and was a bit clunky. The escape key is the only exception where Kanjis are used.
The key now says 中止 which means to cancel, as in cancelling an event. As the design language in this set is about aesthetics, accuracy and simplicity which should come together, it meets the conditions perfectly. These Kanjis are simple and will be able to produce for certain by GMK.
Not a fan of the Kanji Esc.
I know this is a long shot, but can you please consider including the old Katakana escape key in the value kit?
The change to Kanji breaks a lot of the cohesion of the set since it's the only key that's different. The difference is especially jarring when you actually know the language and can tell the difference.
Another alternative I can think of would be to make the nav cluster kanji as well to balance things out. However, I understand that would be highly unlikely since it would be more effort/cost.
Otherwise, this would be a definite buy for me. Thanks for your time!
I am happy to finally announce the Group Buy date
Group Buy goes live May 1st!
Besides that, I had to cancel the Cube deskmat. Instead, the Square deskmat with a more neutral tone will be offered!
スクウェア SQUAREShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/S0IUtlW.png)
When is the estimate shipping?The GB haven't even started
I am happy to finally announce the Group Buy date
Group Buy goes live May 1st!
Besides that, I had to cancel the Cube deskmat. Instead, the Square deskmat with a more neutral tone will be offered!
スクウェア SQUAREShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/S0IUtlW.png)
probably too late to comment but it seems like clarity + perserving + west could cover 65% with arrow keys. (maybe need few more extras?)
can it be added? so if you buy the 4 full kits you can cover 2 keyboards.
probably too late to comment but it seems like clarity + perserving + west could cover 65% with arrow keys. (maybe need few more extras?)
can it be added? so if you buy the 4 full kits you can cover 2 keyboards.
you only need the base kit for a 65%, maybe a west kit for latins. I don't think you'd need the rest unless this is some funky 65% layout I don't know.
probably too late to comment but it seems like clarity + perserving + west could cover 65% with arrow keys. (maybe need few more extras?)
can it be added? so if you buy the 4 full kits you can cover 2 keyboards.
Any news on RAMA caps? Looking forward to this!
Final deskmat change
The old Square deskmat didn't appeal many people. That's why I designed a new one which fits the spot to have a simple, plain, neutral colored deskmat.
スクウェア SQUAREShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1wY4JQv.png)
Pricing
Kit ProjectKeyboard MyKeyboard Switchkeys iLumkb Deskhero
Base Kit $129.00 €139 $230 AUD $198 SGD $190.00
Clarity Kit $49.00 €56 $95 AUD $75 SGD $73.00
Preserving Kit $35.00 €38 $60 AUD $54 SGD $52.00
West Kit $59.00 €66 $100 AUD $91 SGD $88.00
Notice that the Value / Base kit only costs 129 USD for a set with 85 new molds. It will be one of the most unique GMK sets ever. This set costs even less than similar sets which doesn't have any new molds. I don't need to say much, but that says it all about the price
Wow. I really like the first one and the second one looks good too. Not sure if this fits the theme though. Was there a Google form for the deskmats?
Nice the blue looks awesome, likely in for base and west. Launching today! How long will this run for and when is est completion/shipping?