Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 12:51:20
Geekhack is worth more than 15k based on established user and viewership alone.
These are facts..
Zeal's purchase for $15k only makes sense if there is a necessity to keep Gekha Strictly Non-monetized, non Ad centric.
Those two reasons are precisely why Gekha is so thin on resources to begin with.
Gekha technical maintenance is currently done for free by a circle of keeb-loving admins.
This is only because the site produces no money. If it ever did make bank, the admins/mods would not work for free.
Since we can't easily GROW the # of free admins / mods, Gekha has a limited maximum size.
And it has mostly reached that size under the capacity of iMav's abilities.
For Gekha to even continue, it must be sold, it must be monetized, and the bigger the network it's sold to the stronger the possibilities.
Working with Free and Passionate admins//mods is great at the People lvl, but since they're not paid, they don't have to keep to a schedule or have responsibilities to report to management.
We all h8 managers, sure, but that hatred is the backbone of focus and actual goals.
Goals: Grow Geekhack.
Question: With What Money ??
Question: How to establish accountability ??
Now, you come back to say, well the core users/ old admins/mods are getting nothing out of this.
Heck, That seems to be the case, it doesn't have to end as is, they could be hired as consultants and folded within the new framework.
But even if the entire lineup is changed, it is also well within the typical when sites such as this change hands..
There's really nothing to complain about,
It's fundamentally a Wait and See situation..
Ya'll get some watermelon and chillax..
//Turn on the Ceiling fan.
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Post by: dgneo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 12:54:49
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:01:48
why am i not surprised to see this post
Because Tp4 is the Light, the Reason, and the Truth
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iMav is a human being, he's got 3 mortgages, he's probably got mini-iMavs, a fat wife, all the chains of modern societal participation..
it makes no-sense for him to sell for less..
As I've said, the current admins/ mods should become consultants in the new framework if Gekha is sold to a bigger network..
But, whether that happens , it would still be illogical to sell Gekha for less than its worth.
Post by: clasicks on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:04:03
Post by: captain on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:04:12
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:05:50
WTF are y'all carrying on about? Is iMav selling geekhack? That'll be a sad day.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96404.0
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:12:24
Please give more money to iMav to unlock this post
Tp4 is watching Columbia vs England right now..
If it weren't for the Wanda/Hisense/Adidas/Cocacola/Visa billboards the Sport would never be so high quality.
Anti capitalism / Anti commercialism is unwarranted, it has its short-comings, but it is the best we've got AT THE MOMENT for management and focus of human efforts..
There is Monetized Management, and there's Money-Grubbing..
We don't know what the future holds.. Let's hope for the best.. We're all Geekhackers and we wish it to succeed..
Post by: clasicks on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:14:02
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:14:59
and there's Money-Grubbing..
You mean like coming to an agreement on a payment amount, then backing out to take more money because you're a scummy **** named iMav?
(https://i.imgur.com/7ssp2Ff.jpg)
Because that's exactly what he did.
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:16:17
You youngsters.. hahahaha.Dude, if I were iMav I would take the money too, won’t go into details why. It’s his right to do it, everybody contributed knowing this is a private platform. My only issue is, I want my personal data deleted, not my public posts (mostly worthless for current standards) but private conversations and personal information. Why? Because it’s my right to ask that and because I have joined under certain conditions and now the new owner might be just someone who saw a cheap opportunity to buy a huge personal data database... even 100K is cheap for what this info is worth ....
Geekhack is worth more than 15k based on established user and viewership alone.
These are facts..
Zeal's purchase for $15k only makes sense if there is a necessity to keep Gekha Strictly Non-monetized, non Ad centric.
Those two reasons are precisely why Gekha is so thin on resources to begin with.
Gekha technical maintenance is currently done for free by a circle of keeb-loving admins.
This is only because the site produces no money. If it ever did make bank, the admins/mods would not work for free.
Since we can't easily GROW the # of free admins / mods, Gekha has a limited maximum size.
And it has mostly reached that size under the capacity of iMav's abilities.
For Gekha to even continue, it must be sold, it must be monetized, and the bigger the network it's sold to the stronger the possibilities.
Working with Free and Passionate admins//mods is great at the People lvl, but since they're not paid, they don't have to keep to a schedule or have responsibilities to report to management.
We all h8 managers, sure, but that hatred is backbone of focus and actual goals.
Goals: Grow Geekhack.
Question: With What Money ??
Question: How to establish accountability ??
Now, you come back to say, well the core users/ old admins/mods are getting nothing out of this.
Heck, That seems to be the case, it doesn't have to end as is, they could be hired as consultants and folded within the new framework.
But even if the entire lineup is changed, it is also well within the typical when sites such as this change hands..
There's really nothing to complain about,
It's fundamentally a Wait and See situation..
Ya'll get some watermelon and chillax..
//Turn on the Ceiling fan.
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Post by: Remsky on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:17:34
Post by: JianYang on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:18:04
WTF are y'all carrying on about? Is iMav selling geekhack? That'll be a sad day.
What kind of a captain are you?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:19:04
TP: he started at 10k. He said 15k would take it. 15k was offered, he refused. More was offered. still no. Hes selling to the highest bidder. He is selling your bull**** green posts.
why are you defending this ****?
Tp4 am not defending iMav's unpleasant business conduct..
Tp4 am defending iMav's right to do it.. iMav as a basic human being..
Tp4 am Explaining the "needs" of the site for growth
Tp4 am imparting a sense of calm so other Gekha users can relax and watch Gekha unfold.
It could very well go terribad.. But it makes no sense to be angry.. Let's just calmly wait and see..
If things go well, we participate, if not, we leave..
But the Transition to bigger wallet / war chest MUST HAPPEN..
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:20:11
and there's Money-Grubbing..
You mean like coming to an agreement on a payment amount, then backing out to take more money because you're a scummy **** named iMav?
(https://i.imgur.com/7ssp2Ff.jpg)
Because that's exactly what he did.
All about money, hopefully he posts photo's of his new, cool car he buys with the money.
Post by: KatzenKinder on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:20:23
TP: he started at 10k. He said 15k would take it. 15k was offered, he refused. More was offered. still no. Hes selling to the highest bidder. He is selling your bull**** green posts.
why are you defending this ****?
Tp4 am not defending iMav's unpleasant business conduct..
Tp4 am defending iMav's right to do it.. iMav as a basic human being..
Tp4 am Explaining the "needs" of the site for growth
Tp4 am imparting a sense of calm so other Gekha users can relax and watch Gekha unfold.
It could very well go terribad.. But it makes no sense to be angry.. Let's just calmly wait and see..
If things go well, we participate, if not, we leave..
But the Transition to bigger wallet / war chest MUST HAPPEN..
lol tp you do literally anything but impart people with a sense of calm
Post by: phorx on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:21:15
Post by: clasicks on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:22:25
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:26:22
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:33:10
The whole community leaves when the site is sold to anyone other than an established member like Zeal. That is the facts. The site is worthless without the community behind it LOL
I'm not sure why ya'll are so anti-establishment all of a sudden..
If this site starts on micro-transactions.. Yea sure.. everyone, we're going to deskthority..
But we don't know if that'll happen yet..
I get ya'll are concerned our new overlords are Evil, but it's not a certainty, and if anything quite unlikely.
Whoever spends the money to buy this site, they're not out to destroy it..
There is no large indication that we're being handed over to EAGames
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:37:52
The whole community leaves when the site is sold to anyone other than an established member like Zeal. That is the facts. The site is worthless without the community behind it LOL
I'm not sure why ya'll are so anti-establishment all of a sudden..
If this site starts on micro-transactions.. Yea sure.. everyone, we're going to deskthority..
But we don't know if that'll happen yet..
I get ya'll are concerned our new overlords are Evil, but it's not a certainty, and if anything quite unlikely.
Whoever spends the money to buy this site, they're not out to destroy it..
There is no large indication that we're being handed over to EAGames
Yes, but plenty of money can be made mining the sites data, logging user habits, etc.
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:39:57
If this site starts on micro-transactions.. Yea sure.. everyone, we're going to deskthority..
I'm not so sure they'd put up with your style of threads :p
I need my geekhacky, tp fix from time to time.
Post by: zekkin on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:40:55
The whole community leaves when the site is sold to anyone other than an established member like Zeal. That is the facts. The site is worthless without the community behind it LOL
There is no large indication that we're being handed over to EAGames
No, we're being handed over to something much worse. EA and their subsidiaries are able to be held responsible for illegal actions in various courts of law. China does not give any ****s about laws outside of their country.
Personal data will be mined and sold to whoever wants to buy it. That's just how China works.
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:41:37
There is no large indication that we're being handed over to EAGames
(https://i.imgur.com/paEqjEO.png)
Worse.
Post by: dimo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:47:06
I think ideally we go to a new site and this is a good opportunity as ever for Amnesia to partner with the others that were interested and make something of the situation.
The fact that GH has been losing popularity in the past two years when the community as a whole has been growing rapidly in the past several years is a clear sign that the site scares off new members and is halting community growth
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:47:14
There is no large indication that we're being handed over to EAGamesShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/paEqjEO.png)
Worse.
At worst, we'll get a few kaihl switches banners.. I don't know what sort of Nefarious keyboard things ya'll are imagining..
As for datamining.. that is the only legitimate concern if you guys have been PMing bank accounts to each other..
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:50:37
Post by: clik_clak on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:53:46
What we really need is a new location to spread ideas than these sites that are stuck in an ancient time.
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:56:05
Both GH and DT are antiquated pieces of garbage. Probably most of the reason there’s no innovation in keybaords. The innovation matches the medium from which the ideas come.LOL
What we really need is a new location to spread ideas than these sites that are stuck in an ancient time.
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:57:25
Both GH and DT are antiquated pieces of garbage. Probably most of the reason there’s no innovation in keybaords. The innovation matches the medium from which the ideas come.
What we really need is a new location to spread ideas than these sites that are stuck in an ancient time.
Not really, what sort of innovation do you want? Maybe if we move to the cloud we can have some levitating keyboards
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 13:58:36
^ #iMavDidNothingWrong
Guys, Yea.. it can Still go wrong..
My point is, Nothing's gone wrong YET.. and it's Not very Likely.. !!
Relax
If it goes bad.. we go to deskthority.. it's that simple..
(https://i.imgur.com/uqAeXBu.gif)
Post by: Jacob4341 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:01:24
Post by: dimo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:01:55
Geekhack has been dying in the past few years when the community as a whole has been growing rapidly recently.
Change is dire
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:02:26
My point is, Nothing's gone wrong YET.. and it's Not very Likely.. !!
I do wonder how they intend to monetize the site, given geeks typically use ad blockers, and they've paid a sizable-ish sum for it. Some believe it may be for datamining but not sure what potential there is in that anyway given people transact off-site afaik, and outside of some potentially private info PMs what's left is public or in the possession of those running GBs, etc.
*thinkingemoji*
Edit: also interesting seeing all these new users comment on this as if they've been around here for years lmao.
Post by: dimo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:03:46
My point is, Nothing's gone wrong YET.. and it's Not very Likely.. !!
I do wonder how they intend to monetize the site, given geeks typically use ad blockers, and they've paid a sizable-ish sum for it. Not sure what datamining potential there is anyway given people transact off-site anyway afaik, and outside of some potentially private info PMs what's left is public or in the possession of those running GBs, etc.
*thinkingemoji*
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:06:23
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:07:05
My point is, Nothing's gone wrong YET.. and it's Not very Likely.. !!
I do wonder how they intend to monetize the site, given geeks typically use ad blockers, and they've paid a sizable-ish sum for it. Not sure what datamining potential there is anyway given people transact off-site anyway afaik, and outside of some potentially private info PMs what's left is public or in the possession of those running GBs, etc.
*thinkingemoji*
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
I expect this as well, or having ads from unblockable sources such as from geekhack itself. Or full page redirects when trying to access a GB or IC thread, or they force makers, GB runners and such to pay a premium.
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:07:22
Edit: also interesting seeing all these new users comment on this as if they've been around here for years lmao.
100% this
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:07:46
Both GH and DT are antiquated pieces of garbage. Probably most of the reason there’s no innovation in keybaords. The innovation matches the medium from which the ideas come.
What we really need is a new location to spread ideas than these sites that are stuck in an ancient time.
ok lol. head back to reddit then
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:08:57
The big problem would be if the new legal owner is in China. Then they'll have to implement all their stupid laws and censor a lot (like my profile pic, or this post because I'll now mention the tiananmen square massacre and John Oliver). Don't forget that YT integration will die and everyone who uses gmail needs to switch to a different email provider for their geekhack account, oh yea and it's a legal requirement to submit a phone number too.
I happen to love that Xi resembles Winnie The Pooh
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:10:26
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Realistically I wonder how many users do disable them when presented with such messages, especially as it seems quite a number already seem against a buy-out (may matter less over time though with an influx of new users).
Two large forums I know have ads but it's pure chance whether they're riddled with malware or browser hijacks since the quality of the ads is so low and (presumably) they haven't found anything better. One of the forums offers a monthly/yearly subscription to disable the ads from the site itself though they offer no other user perks which I think they could re-consider tbh.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:12:17
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Realistically I wonder how many users do disable them when presented with such messages, especially as it seems quite a number already seem against a buy-out (may matter less over time though with an influx of new users).
I only disable ads if it literally forces me to, or it's a site I really care about and understand that ads are the one way to monetize it. So yeah, if GH implements non-intrusive ads I'd disable my blocker, as I'm sure most would
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:12:25
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Realistically I wonder how many users do disable them when presented with such messages, especially as it seems quite a number already seem against a buy-out (may matter less over time though with an influx of new users).
Two large forums I know have ads but it's pure chance whether they're riddled with malware or browser hijacks since the quality of the ads is so low and (presumably) they haven't found anything better. One of the forums offers a monthly/yearly subscription to disable the ads from the site itself though they offer no other user perks which I think they could re-consider tbh.
If I encounter a site that forces me to disable my ad blocker I never visit the site again, same for businesses who post "no weapons/firearms", they don't deserve my patronage.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:15:20
My point is, Nothing's gone wrong YET.. and it's Not very Likely.. !!
I do wonder how they intend to monetize the site, given geeks typically use ad blockers, and they've paid a sizable-ish sum for it. Some believe it may be for datamining but not sure what potential there is in that anyway given people transact off-site afaik, and outside of some potentially private info PMs what's left is public or in the possession of those running GBs, etc.
*thinkingemoji*
Edit: also interesting seeing all these new users comment on this as if they've been around here for years lmao.
If it's purchased by a peripheral firm.. 100% it's going to be promotional posts/ community seed for products/ development polling.
We might get a few banners, but that won't be the critical function..
Remember guys, Our Mindshare is the prize.
For example, corsair buys geekhack, Their goal is not to pester us with ads, it's to silently embed corsair brand solutions to the things we talk about.
/Begin
Enough people on the forum says their lamp isn't bright enough..
Corsair creates an account, changes the numbers 87 posts, anime avatar.. etc.
This account posts a potential solution to a lamp, as designed by corsair..
Then corsair gauges interest and potential sales based on feedback, finally deciding to build the product or not.
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:17:48
I only disable ads if it literally forces me to, or it's a site I really care about and understand that ads are the one way to monetize it. So yeah, if GH implements non-intrusive ads I'd disable my blocker, as I'm sure most would
One forum I visit runs ads for vendors within the site which bypasses uBlock Origin's blocking completely, though I don't mind since I'm a fan of that style of advertising. Perhaps they'll try something similar here, though with the relatively small scope of the community I'm not sure if that would be attractive to vendors.
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:19:17
Both GH and DT are antiquated pieces of garbage. Probably most of the reason there’s no innovation in keybaords. The innovation matches the medium from which the ideas come.These so called pieces of garbage are the reason the western keyboard community exists. Without these 2 sites we wouldn’t have so many things, even reddit community was started by an ex member, an ass just like you.
What we really need is a new location to spread ideas than these sites that are stuck in an ancient time.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:21:10
Both GH and DT are antiquated pieces of garbage. Probably most of the reason there’s no innovation in keybaords. The innovation matches the medium from which the ideas come.These so called pieces of garbage are the reason the western keyboard community exists. Without these 2 sites we wouldn’t have so many things, even reddit community was started by an ex member, an ass just like you.
What we really need is a new location to spread ideas than these sites that are stuck in an ancient time.
Let's not engage the trolls please. Not worth the time or effort
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:21:26
/BeginSounds good, let's get Corsair to make an RGB dragon dildo
Enough people on the forum says their lamp isn't bright enough..
Corsair creates an account, changes the numbers 87 posts, anime avatar.. etc.
This account posts a potential solution to a lamp, as designed by corsair..
Then corsair gauges interest and potential sales based on feedback, finally deciding to build the product or not.
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:21:44
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Realistically I wonder how many users do disable them when presented with such messages, especially as it seems quite a number already seem against a buy-out (may matter less over time though with an influx of new users).
I only disable ads if it literally forces me to, or it's a site I really care about and understand that ads are the one way to monetize it. So yeah, if GH implements non-intrusive ads I'd disable my blocker, as I'm sure most would
I'm on the other side; I just view the content as not worth my time if ads is the only way that they can make money, unless it's a community that I'm connected to and I understand that they will not allow intrusive ads from intrusive networks.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:24:00
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Realistically I wonder how many users do disable them when presented with such messages, especially as it seems quite a number already seem against a buy-out (may matter less over time though with an influx of new users).
I only disable ads if it literally forces me to, or it's a site I really care about and understand that ads are the one way to monetize it. So yeah, if GH implements non-intrusive ads I'd disable my blocker, as I'm sure most would
I'm on the other side; I just view the content as not worth my time if ads is the only way that they can make money, unless it's a community that I'm connected to and I understand that they will not allow intrusive ads from intrusive networks.
So I'm assuming you'd rather something like a membership? Cause I'd absolute have some **** on the sides I can mentally block out that to actually have to pay money directly
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:29:14
For example, corsair buys geekhack, Their goal is not to pester us with ads, it's to silently embed corsair brand solutions to the things we talk about.
/Begin
Enough people on the forum says their lamp isn't bright enough..
Corsair creates an account, changes the numbers 87 posts, anime avatar.. etc.
This account posts a potential solution to a lamp, as designed by corsair..
Then corsair gauges interest and potential sales based on feedback, finally deciding to build the product or not.
I just wonder what will happen if whoever buys it doesn't find enough value in the site/community to continue hosting it/recoup the cost, as then it's back to square one, worse case scenario with a 'sunsetting' of the site for good. If it actually was used to gauge product feedback then I could see the utility with the kind of hacker-types here (are there any equivalent examples of this occurring with forums before though?) but we don't know the motivations of the unknown companies making the offers atm so I guess it's easy to speculate the best (and worst) case scenarios before anything begins changing.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:33:02
For example, corsair buys geekhack, Their goal is not to pester us with ads, it's to silently embed corsair brand solutions to the things we talk about.
/Begin
Enough people on the forum says their lamp isn't bright enough..
Corsair creates an account, changes the numbers 87 posts, anime avatar.. etc.
This account posts a potential solution to a lamp, as designed by corsair..
Then corsair gauges interest and potential sales based on feedback, finally deciding to build the product or not.
I just wonder what will happen if whoever buys it doesn't find enough value in the site/community to continue hosting it/recoup the cost, as then it's back to square one, worse case scenario with a 'sunsetting' of the site for good. If it actually was used to gauge product feedback then I could see the utility with the kind of hacker-types here (are there any equivalent examples of this occurring with forums before though?) but we don't know the motivations of the unknown companies making the offers atm so I guess it's easy to speculate the best (and worst) case scenarios before anything begins changing.
Then we go to deskthority..
hahahaha.. guys.. we all want Gekha to succeed and grow, that REQUIRES investment.
The internet is big.. if it doesn't work out.. we move..
At worst, someone takes the bones of Gekha, and registers Geekhack2.org..
I mean, we can't lose in this.. the solutions are so simple..
We're all LIVE people, ya'll remember the movie antz.. for every grasshopper, there are thousands of us..
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:35:54
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Realistically I wonder how many users do disable them when presented with such messages, especially as it seems quite a number already seem against a buy-out (may matter less over time though with an influx of new users).
I only disable ads if it literally forces me to, or it's a site I really care about and understand that ads are the one way to monetize it. So yeah, if GH implements non-intrusive ads I'd disable my blocker, as I'm sure most would
I'm on the other side; I just view the content as not worth my time if ads is the only way that they can make money, unless it's a community that I'm connected to and I understand that they will not allow intrusive ads from intrusive networks.
So I'm assuming you'd rather something like a membership? Cause I'd absolute have some **** on the sides I can mentally block out that to actually have to pay money directly
Yeah... membership is better and more forthright to me. I pay that on a few sites, because I'd rather have the revenue stream open than "yeah, we make the money on ads." "Pay for the things you really use" is my Mantra.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:37:50
huge warning that people have to turn off ad-block to use the site? There's probably more options and that might be a huge turn off too
Realistically I wonder how many users do disable them when presented with such messages, especially as it seems quite a number already seem against a buy-out (may matter less over time though with an influx of new users).
Two large forums I know have ads but it's pure chance whether they're riddled with malware or browser hijacks since the quality of the ads is so low and (presumably) they haven't found anything better. One of the forums offers a monthly/yearly subscription to disable the ads from the site itself though they offer no other user perks which I think they could re-consider tbh.
Ever since the block-elements option from uBlock Origin, it's just super simple..
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:42:21
The internet is big.. if it doesn't work out.. we move..
At worst, someone takes the bones of Gekha, and registers Geekhack2.org..
Or, or, just imagine...
(https://i.imgur.com/BiTpNLl.png)
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 14:47:01
The internet is big.. if it doesn't work out.. we move..
At worst, someone takes the bones of Gekha, and registers Geekhack2.org..
Or, or, just imagine...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BiTpNLl.png)
Tp4 am humbled by your generous good thoughts..
Tp4 is not self-important enough to have his own website..
Tp4 will remain with, and if need be die with Gekha,
then Reborn on Gekha 2
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 15:13:12
How would ya'll go about it ??
Post by: clasicks on Tue, 03 July 2018, 15:55:48
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 15:56:50
if ya'll were to build a Freemium version of Gekha..
How would ya'll go about it ??
make it so users cant use 48pt teal type
Freemium 48pt teal font.. !!
Great idea Clasicks
(https://i.imgur.com/AyqV2X0.gif)
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 03 July 2018, 15:57:10
if ya'll were to build a Freemium version of Gekha..
How would ya'll go about it ??
make it so users cant use 48pt teal type
And that puddsy can only comment on posts for buys he is involved in.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 15:59:49
And that puddsy can only comment on posts for buys he is involved in.
what's puddsy sayn' in the posts.. he bein' muy negativo ??
Post by: Haaaaaandrew on Tue, 03 July 2018, 16:57:30
I don't know who the buyer is (or if a sale has even taken place), they might a big player in the eastern community, which could help merge the east and west communities into a larger community here on GH resulting in faster innovations and more groupbuys? On the other hand, they might be capitalistic asshats who don't care about keyboards and just want to riddle the forum with sponsored threads and rake in those sweet, sweet CPC dollars?
From a monetary perspective it makes sense, there are a lot of active users and page views here. All of those impressions add up quickly when buyers start look at their potential return on investment. Assuming the published statistics are accurate, this site could make a good deal of money from unobtrusive advertisements based on the $/impressions alone allowing for investment in site improvements and relief from the current voluntary donation model. Although I feel like that is something that could have been accomplished without out right selling the site?
But it's pointless for me to speculate on what could have been done differently or what might become of geekhack once it changes hands officially. To me the sale just seemed like a disorganized cash grab from a creator who cares about money more than the community he worked so hard to build. While I disagree with how it was handled, I respect that the decision was solely at iMav's discretion as the owner of the site.
At the end of the day, I just want a place to look at and buy awesome keyboard stuff. I hope that place can continue to be GH once the new owners take over :thumb:
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:09:14
Concerns..
Haaaaaandrew, You've voiced your concern in a very legible and objective way.
Alot of the pitchforking thus far centers around Geekhack in NAME.. iMav owns the brand..
That's ALL that he owns..
Geekhack (unlike Facebook) has no fundmental leverage over its users.
This is because Gekha users can easily pick up and take their business elsewhere.
And it's also because of our versatility, that Tp4 believes Gekha will be mostly immune to serious Commercial interest tampering..
Wait and see is the most realistic course of action for all current users..
We are Gekha.. and if they won't let us be Gekha, We'll register Gekha 2, or We'll join Deskthora..
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:38:32
if tp believes that
tp is one naive mo'fo.
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:42:52
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:50:12
Despite being a vendor, I am still hopeful Zeal will be taken up on his offer(s). Or a combination of him and other community members. That would be the "right thing," in my opinion. I'm sure the iKBC guys would be all over this if they got wind
I don't think that is realistic.
There's no way the admin/mods are up for paying what Gekha is actually worth on the open market.
I can thoroughly understand how the admins who did so much free work feel.. It's like they've built this Free Space, and have it snatched away from them..
It's unfortunate that iMav is not himself able to capitalize on Gekha's potential and utilize the team to their fullest..
Tp4 believes we can make it work, because there's really nothing a keyboard site can hold hostage against its users..
In the end, if it doesn't work out, Geekhack 2.org.. This isn't facebook, we can pick up and go.
Post by: Sup on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:57:48
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:59:41
In the end, if it doesn't work out, Geekhack 2.org.. This isn't facebook, we can pick up and go.
Of course there's the whole paying for it thing. Naturally it begins with a single person bearing the cost to start it all and... whoa, ten years and three mortgages later does time fly
Post by: dimo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:01:48
Got the domain name geekhack.eu . Gonna use phpBB and just make it the same as the current geekhack with some differences . No ad's and it will be hosted in the US Miami beach. If i get enough interest i will put more time into it.
Please make it at least look better
And thanks for doing all of this
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:06:26
Got the domain name geekhack.eu . Gonna use phpBB and just make it the same as the current geekhack with some differences . No ad's and it will be hosted in the US Miami beach. If i get enough interest i will put more time into it.
Force Miami color theme
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:07:43
Despite being a vendor, I am still hopeful Zeal will be taken up on his offer(s). Or a combination of him and other community members. That would be the "right thing," in my opinion. I'm sure the iKBC guys would be all over this if they got wind
I don't think that is realistic.
There's no way the admin/mods are up for paying what Gekha is actually worth on the open market.
I can thoroughly understand how the admins who did so much free work feel.. It's like they've built this Free Space, and have it snatched away from them..
It's unfortunate that iMav is not himself able to capitalize on Gekha's potential and utilize the team to their fullest..
Tp4 believes we can make it work, because there's really nothing a keyboard site can hold hostage against its users..
In the end, if it doesn't work out, Geekhack 2.org.. This isn't facebook, we can pick up and go.
Not necessarily mods or admins. It may be that Zeal has rescinded his offer @30K but if not and the bid is ~50K, perhaps another vendor or someone would be willing to be his partner in a joint venture. I know iMav's word should be taken with a grain of salt now but he did say that he would like to find a balance of high bid and correct intentions for the site. It is rather hopeful anyway...
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:09:18
Good call user -Sup-..
We prepare for the worst..
But AT LEAST give the new owners a chance..
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:11:14
Not necessarily mods or admins. It may be that Zeal has rescinded his offer @30K but if not and the bid is ~50K, perhaps another vendor or someone would be willing to be his partner in a joint venture. I know iMav's word should be taken with a grain of salt now but he did say that he would like to find a balance of high bid and correct intentions for the site. It is rather hopeful anyway...
Yea.. iMav needs money, but he's not a heart-less machine..
Overall, I am optimistic of what the future holds, Whoever the new management may be..
Post by: Sup on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:18:21
It's great that ya'll are Pro-Active hahahaha
Good call user -Sup-..
We prepare for the worst..
But AT LEAST give the new owners a chance..
I don't really like the idea being sold to a "company". In my opinion there should be a forum made by the community and runned by the community. Server is up and running now i have to wait a bit and configure everything and set permissions.
Got the domain name geekhack.eu . Gonna use phpBB and just make it the same as the current geekhack with some differences . No ad's and it will be hosted in the US Miami beach. If i get enough interest i will put more time into it.
Force Miami color theme
xD. I am going for a dark themed website like the current Geekhack it will change later and the website will be more advanced in the future if it picks up.
Got the domain name geekhack.eu . Gonna use phpBB and just make it the same as the current geekhack with some differences . No ad's and it will be hosted in the US Miami beach. If i get enough interest i will put more time into it.
Please make it at least look better
And thanks for doing all of this
In the begin it will look basic like how Geekhack looks at the moment will probably change in the future.
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 03 July 2018, 20:09:50
Got the domain name geekhack.eu . Gonna use phpBB and just make it the same as the current geekhack with some differences . No ad's and it will be hosted in the US Miami beach. If i get enough interest i will put more time into it.I'd go for Discourse as the forum software of choice. It's great for mobile.
The internet is big.. if it doesn't work out.. we move..
At worst, someone takes the bones of Gekha, and registers Geekhack2.org..
Or, or, just imagine...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BiTpNLl.png)
Go for it, tp4!
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 20:12:12
I just want to clear up some of the uncertainty about the sale of the site. The new owners have reached out to the mod team, and we've had a productive conversation. They are not a data mining company or interested in the site for its users' personal data. Instead they invested in the site out of a desire to preserve the community and nurture the keyboard hobby.
A formal announcement will be coming tomorrow morning, and everyone will have an opportunity to ask their questions.
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 03 July 2018, 20:14:26
I don't really like the idea being sold to a "company". In my opinion there should be a forum made by the community and runned by the community. Server is up and running now i have to wait a bit and configure everything and set permissions.
That's not 'made by the community', that's made by you. Same as this was always iMavs.
Post by: dimo on Tue, 03 July 2018, 20:15:26
Copying a post here I made from one of the other threads on the topic:I just want to clear up some of the uncertainty about the sale of the site. The new owners have reached out to the mod team, and we've had a productive conversation. They are not a data mining company or interested in the site for its users' personal data. Instead they invested in the site out of a desire to preserve the community and nurture the keyboard hobby.
A formal announcement will be coming tomorrow morning, and everyone will have an opportunity to ask their questions.
If they’re interests stay the same as you say, that sounds great.
iMav is a long time member so he probably wouldn’t drop it so hard.
We’ll see tomorrow
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 04 July 2018, 08:08:03
Same as this was always iMavs.
I don't think that there was any serious adult conversation here about iMav's ownership and his right to sell, but rather what appears to be breaking of a firm contract.
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 04 July 2018, 08:33:06
Same as this was always iMavs.
I don't think that there was any serious adult conversation here about iMav's ownership and his right to sell, but rather what appears to be breaking of a firm contract.
I would agree with that assessment. I personally didn't think too much about rjght to sell as he had full ownership and possession. The breach of contract is what inspired the most ire in me, personally.
Post by: AMongoose on Wed, 04 July 2018, 08:47:24
Same as this was always iMavs.
I don't think that there was any serious adult conversation here about iMav's ownership and his right to sell, but rather what appears to be breaking of a firm contract.
I would agree with that assessment. I personally didn't think too much about rjght to sell as he had full ownership and possession. The breach of contract is what inspired the most ire in me, personally.
What contract?
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 04 July 2018, 09:01:38
Same as this was always iMavs.
I don't think that there was any serious adult conversation here about iMav's ownership and his right to sell, but rather what appears to be breaking of a firm contract.
I would agree with that assessment. I personally didn't think too much about rjght to sell as he had full ownership and possession. The breach of contract is what inspired the most ire in me, personally.
What contract?
https://study.com/academy/lesson/verbal-contract-definition-law.html
There was a verbal contract implied in that series of PMs, in my opinion. Of course, I'm not a lawyer so I don't know how that would hold up in court.
Post by: duckboi on Wed, 04 July 2018, 09:21:54
Same as this was always iMavs.
I don't think that there was any serious adult conversation here about iMav's ownership and his right to sell, but rather what appears to be breaking of a firm contract.
I would agree with that assessment. I personally didn't think too much about rjght to sell as he had full ownership and possession. The breach of contract is what inspired the most ire in me, personally.
What contract?
https://study.com/academy/lesson/verbal-contract-definition-law.html
There was a verbal contract implied in that series of PMs, in my opinion. Of course, I'm not a lawyer so I don't know how that would hold up in court.
I don't think those PMs mean anything legally binding. To me, its just unfortunate. - Let's hope for the best to come from this.
Post by: AMongoose on Wed, 04 July 2018, 09:23:09
I get being upset about being powerless during this whole situation but getting upset about iMav backing out a deal with zeal? Makes no sense to me.
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 04 July 2018, 09:43:17
That was not a breach of contract that was a seller changing his mind mid deal, happens all the time.true, this was just someone going back on their words. Zeal was asking iMav to draft a contract to formalize the deal, ergo everything before that was just a gentleman's agreement that was unfortunately broken
(and who says those PMs are even real besides one of the parties involved?)that's a pretty stupid assertion, come on..
I get being upset about being powerless during this whole situation but getting upset about iMav backing out a deal with zeal? Makes no sense to me.makes plenty of sense to a lot of people.. at a certain point it stopped being about needing the money, and greed took over. whether or not you feel iMav's action was justified is up to you, but it should be quite apparent why some people may not hold iMav in the best light after what he did
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 04 July 2018, 10:21:18
What contract?
Maybe you are right, since the transaction was never completed.
Although I think that most people would interpret iMav's "Will do" as acceptance, the money never changed hands.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 04 July 2018, 12:16:38
What contract?
Maybe you are right, since the transaction was never completed.
Although I think that most people would interpret iMav's "Will do" as acceptance, the money never changed hands.
Will did.
Post by: Sup on Wed, 04 July 2018, 16:41:20
I don't really like the idea being sold to a "company". In my opinion there should be a forum made by the community and runned by the community. Server is up and running now i have to wait a bit and configure everything and set permissions.
That's not 'made by the community', that's made by you. Same as this was always iMavs.
Yeah true. But i am gonna give the community the choice by using Polls :) . So in a way it's also made by the voices of the community.
Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 04:16:11
lol tp you do literally anything but impart people with a sense of calm
Come on buddy, getting triggered at tp4 is a 2012 thing to do. I personally agree with his many points, and I have no doubt that anyone carrying on with a holier-than-though attitude would gladly dismount their horse for $30,000 USD. iMav has done his part in making this a forum, and I hold no ill will for him having a real life job and kids that are infinitely more important than a forum.
Post by: KatzenKinder on Thu, 05 July 2018, 09:27:44
lol tp you do literally anything but impart people with a sense of calm
Come on buddy, getting triggered at tp4 is a 2012 thing to do. I personally agree with his many points, and I have no doubt that anyone carrying on with a holier-than-though attitude would gladly dismount their horse for $30,000 USD. iMav has done his part in making this a forum, and I hold no ill will for him having a real life job and kids that are infinitely more important than a forum.
lol? you couldn't have misinterpreted me any harder dude, don't quote me in ur nonsense
Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 09:58:50
lol tp you do literally anything but impart people with a sense of calm
Come on buddy, getting triggered at tp4 is a 2012 thing to do. I personally agree with his many points, and I have no doubt that anyone carrying on with a holier-than-though attitude would gladly dismount their horse for $30,000 USD. iMav has done his part in making this a forum, and I hold no ill will for him having a real life job and kids that are infinitely more important than a forum.
lol? you couldn't have misinterpreted me any harder dude, don't quote me in ur nonsense
Think it was interpreted pretty accurately, you can't go around flaming someone then claiming someone to be misinterpreting. Whatever lets you sleep at night though.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 July 2018, 10:40:11
We'll see what happens.. hahahaha
(https://i.imgur.com/uqAeXBu.gif)
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 05 July 2018, 10:48:59
Post by: KatzenKinder on Thu, 05 July 2018, 11:30:53
lol tp you do literally anything but impart people with a sense of calm
Come on buddy, getting triggered at tp4 is a 2012 thing to do. I personally agree with his many points, and I have no doubt that anyone carrying on with a holier-than-though attitude would gladly dismount their horse for $30,000 USD. iMav has done his part in making this a forum, and I hold no ill will for him having a real life job and kids that are infinitely more important than a forum.
lol? you couldn't have misinterpreted me any harder dude, don't quote me in ur nonsense
Think it was interpreted pretty accurately, you can't go around flaming someone then claiming someone to be misinterpreting. Whatever lets you sleep at night though.
"lol tp you do literally anything but impart people with a sense of calm"
You think that's flaming? You're joking, right?
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:07:05
Anyway. I have sometimes been wondering if not both Tp4 and Ripster are sock puppets of iMav.
Has any user ever met any of them in real life?
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:23:33
Everyone calm down.. massdrop isn't an evil corporation.. (YET).. So it's fine..
We'll see what happens.. hahahahaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/uqAeXBu.gif)
I bet MD even pays employees to moderate their own discussion boards - maybe our wonderful mods here will start getting extra paychecks!
Haven't you deleted all your old posts in a fit of rage/social protest? How long will this post last before you remove it from the internet to preserve personal data
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:58:14
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:17:10
Paying $15'000 USD over PayPal ... :facepalm:Can confirm, they are 3 separate people ^-^ don't @ me Tp
Anyway. I have sometimes been wondering if not both Tp4 and Ripster are sock puppets of iMav.
Has any user ever met any of them in real life?
What contract?
Maybe you are right, since the transaction was never completed.
Although I think that most people would interpret iMav's "Will do" as acceptance, the money never changed hands.
Will did.
:cool:
It was more than just a verbal agreement! It was written... I feel very bad for Zeal
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:28:23
Are you that bothered that I am unhappy that geekhack has been bought out by Mass Drop? Yes, I can edit my old posts as I please, if I had the chance to erase them I would.
Bothered? No I just think it's humorous that you both simultaneously protest the site in such impactful ways while also continuing to use it.
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:31:59
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:34:51
Post by: digi on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:11:54
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:19:32
had enough of an impact to get your panties in a bunch. lol.
No please continue. As an intellectual, I like it.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:36:05
Maybe we can start a BBS with dial-up modems? I can donate a couple modems, let me know the baud requirements.
BBS hahaha. so kewl.. maybe it'll be the next vinyl scene.. BBS modem scene..
Start stockpiln' now.. boys..
Post by: digi on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:39:06
Maybe we can start a BBS with dial-up modems? I can donate a couple modems, let me know the baud requirements.
BBS hahaha. so kewl.. maybe it'll be the next vinyl scene.. BBS modem scene..
Start stockpiln' now.. boys..
Hey you laugh, it's more secure than these Interwebs. MOM!! GET OFF THE PHONE I NEED TO CHAT WITH TP4!!
atdt, 1-800-geek-h8x
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:57:31
Maybe we can start a BBS with dial-up modems? I can donate a couple modems, let me know the baud requirements.
BBS hahaha. so kewl.. maybe it'll be the next vinyl scene.. BBS modem scene..
Start stockpiln' now.. boys..
Hey you laugh, it's more secure than these Interwebs. MOM!! GET OFF THE PHONE I NEED TO CHAT WITH TP4!!
atdt, 1-800-geek-h8x
Now you can get Tp4, the app..
Entertains and Helps you live forever..
Post by: digi on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:58:23
Maybe we can start a BBS with dial-up modems? I can donate a couple modems, let me know the baud requirements.
BBS hahaha. so kewl.. maybe it'll be the next vinyl scene.. BBS modem scene..
Start stockpiln' now.. boys..
Hey you laugh, it's more secure than these Interwebs. MOM!! GET OFF THE PHONE I NEED TO CHAT WITH TP4!!
atdt, 1-800-geek-h8x
Now you can get Tp4, the app..
Entertains and Helps you live forever..
As long as it agrees with everything I say so I can feel good. :)
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 July 2018, 17:05:32
As long as it agrees with everything I say so I can feel good. :)
Invest in Tp4-Gems to unlock higher disagreeability function/ realism mode/ and apocalyptic paranoia.
Post by: digi on Thu, 05 July 2018, 17:07:33
As long as it agrees with everything I say so I can feel good. :)
Invest in Tp4-Gems to unlock higher disagreeability function/ realism mode/ and apocalyptic paranoia.
lulul