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Religion don't kill people, idiots do.
I take it that you won't deny millions of idiots have used religion as an excuse to kill countless millions of other people ?
IMHumbleO religion is BS .. All off'em !
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Religion don't kill people, idiots do.
I take it that you won't deny millions of idiots have used religion as an excuse to kill countless millions of other people ?
IMHumbleO religion is BS .. All off'em !
IMHumbleO religion is BS .. All off'em !
I think many people discard religion since its mysterious and can't be proven by fact. This is true, but religion is meant to be a mystery and to truly believe in it, u must accept that its a mystery. And to me, if you don't believe at least that there's more to what we perceive as reality than what we can see, touch, etc, then that's a pretty ignorant way to live life.
Both therefore are similar in that they eliminate any sense of interacting. They treat people the same way, incidentally. (ie, refusing to dialogue).
At the end of the day, different faiths, and different religious viewpoints offer largely mutually exclusive viewpoints of the world. The further you dig in to what you believe, the harder it gets to rationalize acceptance of other people's viewpoints of the world within your viewpoint.
-girls pastor/father dies horribly of pancreatic cancer and still believes a test is involved.
Yea...people have also used all kinds of other excuses for war too. People have also used Religion as a 'reason' (not an excuse) to do a lot of good and even great things for other people in the world. So...not really sure of the relevancy of your comment.
So your taking the good ol, heathens are ignorant view but yet you don't ask why, you just assume, pretty hyocritically ignorant.
tldr-girls pastor/father dies horribly of pancreatic cancer and still believes a test is involved.
Sounds more like good old fashion Human Decency than religion to me .
All non-perverted humans will probably agree that murder, rape, thievery,
lying, disrespect towards the elderly etc etc aren't Kosher , Halal or virtous ..
Even Buddhists and Atheists think the Ten Commandments make good sense .
My point being that decent human beings don't need religious doctrine
to know what is right and what isn't ..
(JFYI : I'm a Roman catholic who only attends Mass when there is no Pope.
I have a serious issue whit the Pope-cultism)
Even Buddhists and Atheists think the Ten Commandments make good sense .
No, that's not my view at all. I'm not saying if you don't believe in religion you're ignorant. I'm saying if you don't believe that there's more to reality than what we perceive - then THAT is ignorant. Re-read my post.
So in order to be not part of the ignorant club, you have "believe" u know use human emotion and have "faith" that there could, kinda, sorta is something more out there in the vastness of not understanding.
And also believe in little green men who come down to earth with their assortment of anal probes. cuz you know little green men are more than what we perceive.
tldr-girls pastor/father dies horribly of pancreatic cancer and still believes a test is involved.
Hmm, not in this case, but generalized some christians seem bit self-centered or maybe they are just comparing themselves to Job... Anyway, I can't see logic behind bad coming to family and person as test of faith from "loving" god... But who am I to tell, as an atheist...
Um...what??
The whole concept of a 'loving god' I've found to be another thing that confuses most non-religious people. As a Christian, I can attest that we believe that God loves us by giving us gifts including the gift of life, the world as we know it, etc. Another gift is the ability to think for ourselves (which other animals in nature don't have - they only have instinct.) We have both instinct and the ability to think for ourselves. We do with that - as we wish. Of course the results are both good and bad, but God has no power over that, remember - because he gave us the gift of being able to think for ourselves.
probably not
"I am the LORD your God
"Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD
or possibily
Remember [zachor] the Sabbath day and keep it holy
(i'm a workaholic)
and doesn't every religion do this?
"Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above
or else there would be so many JC nailed to a cross statues?
thats about 40% that isn't right.
Re-read my post.
What i can infer from your logic is that you have to give in to what is beyond basic reality to not be ignorant.
Just like for some people it is beyond basic reality to believe there is a guiding hand.
There is also for some beyond basic reality that there are little green men and their hands have anal probes.
And these 2 examples are usually linked anyway, cuz where do all the crop circles and abductions happen? at the "bible belt" where all the corn fields and wheat fields are.
This is OT, but do you then think prayer cannot have any effect? Or do you pray for some other mean?
tl;dr
That said, subscribing to any actual religion is a pretty limiting and unquestionably ignorant thing to do.
Having no belief at all ("blank slate") is the least limiting option (not necessarily least ignorant, but then...is it really ignorant if there's no proof that there's something to believe in anyway?). Least limiting = excellent "default choice". Should someone want to explore those areas of thought and theory, they can form their own beliefs.
Organized religion is crap and needs to be abolished. At the very least it will be a step...a major contributing factor, over the course of, say, 10 generations...towards world peace, if such a thing can ever be attained.
As long as I subscribe to no specific belief system, live my life doing good for others, and have respect for the world I live in I believe I'll be treated well by whatever judgement system there may be.
it's not meant to be read word-for-word - it's meant to be interpreted in a way that's important to YOU. Everyone is an individual with individual beliefs. If you think that's going to change (and that will bring world peace)...well that's pretty ignorant.