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Offline Evo_Spec

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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:57:58 »
Quote from: Zukoi on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:54:54
Quote from: Evo_Spec on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:26:08
Quote from: Zukoi on Wed, 13 May 2015, 17:04:11
Does anyone know if there ever would be clones of cherry MX clears?

People are really desperate for them.


i'm hearing that browns are close, may not be the same but if people are actually "desperate" for them then it should be good enough for them.
Well the reason why people choose clears in the first place is because browns leaves an underwhelming feeling. They are similar in that they are tactile but clears have a large bump for the tactile feel so you can see why browns can't replace clears.

You realize that this is a gateron thread right?
So Gateron clears are linear.
Also the Gateron Browns are different from the MX Browns, it's said that they're more tactile than the MX Browns.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #101 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 00:08:52 »


Quote from: Evo_Spec on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:57:58
Quote from: Zukoi on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:54:54
Quote from: Evo_Spec on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:26:08
Quote from: Zukoi on Wed, 13 May 2015, 17:04:11
Does anyone know if there ever would be clones of cherry MX clears?

People are really desperate for them.


i'm hearing that browns are close, may not be the same but if people are actually "desperate" for them then it should be good enough for them.
Well the reason why people choose clears in the first place is because browns leaves an underwhelming feeling. They are similar in that they are tactile but clears have a large bump for the tactile feel so you can see why browns can't replace clears.

You realize that this is a gateron thread right?
So Gateron clears are linear.
Also the Gateron Browns are different from the MX Browns, it's said that they're more tactile than the MX Browns.

Woops. I should have specified which clear I was referring to (mx). My mind lapsed about gaterons for a moment.

Anyway, are there pictures of the gateron brown stem? The comparison would be a lot easier. I heard that they were more like light versions of browns but I am probably wrong.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:37:00 »
I've read that some of the semi-transparent gateron's had issues with some keycaps, where the stem was stuck sometimes

I have a batch of fully-transparent switch tops, wondering whether I should be worried and maybe not use them
(they didn't have any issues from my limited trials tho, on the contrary, they seemed much better than the cherry tops, got them from zealpc recently)
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:58:21 »
This thread should probably live in the Reviews forum.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:59:06 »
Quote from: daerid on Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:58:21
This thread should probably live in the Reviews forum.

seconded. Not sure what I was thinking putting it in here lol
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #105 on: Sat, 19 September 2015, 06:34:37 »
Quote from: hwood34 on Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:59:06
Quote from: daerid on Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:58:21
This thread should probably live in the Reviews forum.

seconded. Not sure what I was thinking putting it in here lol

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Moved this to the reviews sub-forum.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #106 on: Sat, 10 October 2015, 07:44:46 »
So i replaced one of the switches on my filco and i notice this issue.
any ideas?

Threw in a cherrybrown instead, I suspect its the housing. Rahter have a scratchy switch than a sticking one.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 05:49:46 »
Quote from: Johan on Sat, 10 October 2015, 07:44:46
So i replaced one of the switches on my filco and i notice this issue.
any ideas?

Threw in a cherrybrown instead, I suspect its the housing. Rahter have a scratchy switch than a sticking one.

Check the edges around the opening of the switch top housing and see if there is some flashing that makes the stem stick.  You could also swap top housings and see if that fixes things...if it doesn't it's probably a problem with the bottom housing.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:20:43 »
What would you guys say is the better way of replacing Cherry MX switches with Gaterons(without desoldering) - putting Gateron spring and stem in Cherry housing or replacing everything but the bottom Cherry housing and leaf? I'm talking about PCB mounted switches.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:39:58 »
Quote from: dr_habu on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:20:43
What would you guys say is the better way of replacing Cherry MX switches with Gaterons(without desoldering) - putting Gateron spring and stem in Cherry housing or replacing everything but the bottom Cherry housing and leaf? I'm talking about PCB mounted switches.
So basically you are asking if it's worth replacing the cherry top with a gateron top when swapping gateron stems and springs into cherry PCB mounted switches?

I would say might as well if you aren't concerned with having a two tone switch housing.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 11 November 2015, 10:03:37 »
Quote from: dr_habu on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:20:43
What would you guys say is the better way of replacing Cherry MX switches with Gaterons(without desoldering) - putting Gateron spring and stem in Cherry housing or replacing everything but the bottom Cherry housing and leaf? I'm talking about PCB mounted switches.
Since the bottom is where you're feeling a lot of the friction, I'd say that switching the full housing is important to really get the benefits
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #111 on: Thu, 12 November 2015, 10:54:56 »
I'm actually thinking of putting Cherry MX tops on my Gaterons... I don't need the milky/clear tops since I don't use LEDs, so the black tops would be nicer aesthetically. But from what I have seen, the Gateron switches fit together nicer, and don't have nearly as much play in the housings, so not sure its worth it.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 13 November 2015, 13:43:24 »
Quote from: hwood34 on Wed, 11 November 2015, 10:03:37
Since the bottom is where you're feeling a lot of the friction, I'd say that switching the full housing is important to really get the benefits

Well, it turns out that the keyboard that I want to buy is currently only manufactured with Cherry MX Blacks, and I want blue switches. Luckily the switches are PCB mounted, so I figured that I could get 100 Gateron Blue switches and use them to replace the factory mounted MX Blacks. So, for me, the main benefit is actually having blue switches instead of blacks.
Why get Gateron Blues and not Cherry MX Blues? Gaterons are cheaper, AFAIK only the leafs aren't fully compatible, and on top of that Gaterons seem to be high quality.

Also - I've asked about the top housing because I was slightly worried about key sticking.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #113 on: Mon, 16 November 2015, 17:38:07 »
Nice teardown/analysis.  :thumb:

I was one of the people who got into the Magicforce 68 drop at Massdrop and I was interested in getting a board with Gaterons. Unfortunately I wasn't too interested in the Gateron choices they had. Reds are a bit too light and linear for me, Blues I didn't want because I already have a board with Cherry MX Blues and the same thing goes for Browns. I was looking into Gateron Black switches but the drop didn't had Gateron Blacks as an option, so I went with Cherry MX Black.

Though, I've had the opportunity to try some Gateron switches in a switch tester that I have at my room and I must say that they do feel nice. I like the smoothness they have.
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 07 February 2016, 05:19:20 »
I'm confused.. so gateron clears are not the alternative to mx clears?

What IS the Gateron-alternative to MX clears?
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #115 on: Sun, 07 February 2016, 05:52:42 »
Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 07 February 2016, 05:19:20
I'm confused.. so gateron clears are not the alternative to mx clears?

What IS the Gateron-alternative to MX clears?
Nothing, or purple Zealio switches with corresponding springs (78g, if it's like sprit's, should be close to lighter stock clears, whereas the lighter variant is pretty much "ergo clear").
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #116 on: Sun, 07 February 2016, 05:56:02 »
Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 07 February 2016, 05:19:20
I'm confused.. so gateron clears are not the alternative to mx clears?

What IS the Gateron-alternative to MX clears?
Zealios switch or gateron brows if you are desperate
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #117 on: Sat, 19 March 2016, 00:56:43 »
Quote from: bocahgundul on Sun, 07 February 2016, 05:56:02
Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 07 February 2016, 05:19:20
I'm confused.. so gateron clears are not the alternative to mx clears?

What IS the Gateron-alternative to MX clears?
Zealios switch or gateron brows if you are desperate
Yeah, zeal just submitted a group buy for the switches but they should be in stock soon afterwards for about $1 each ($0.75 pre-order price). However on winkeyless I saw something where he was able to get gateron clears that were tactile

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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 23 March 2016, 02:38:03 »
want to ask difference about blue and green..
is there any difference between those two beside the spring weight?
i seen zealio R2 had a bigger leaf that zealio R1.
so i was thinking maybe green had a bigger leaf or maybe different stem?
or the only difference was just a spring weight?
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 23 March 2016, 18:13:17 »
Quote from: gadzkun on Wed, 23 March 2016, 02:38:03
want to ask difference about blue and green..
is there any difference between those two beside the spring weight?
i seen zealio R2 had a bigger leaf that zealio R1.
so i was thinking maybe green had a bigger leaf or maybe different stem?
or the only difference was just a spring weight?
Just spring weight differences
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Re: Gateron Teardown
« Reply #120 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 04:41:55 »
Quote from: bocahgundul on Wed, 23 March 2016, 18:13:17
Quote from: gadzkun on Wed, 23 March 2016, 02:38:03
want to ask difference about blue and green..
is there any difference between those two beside the spring weight?
i seen zealio R2 had a bigger leaf that zealio R1.
so i was thinking maybe green had a bigger leaf or maybe different stem?
or the only difference was just a spring weight?
Just spring weight differences

thank you sir :thumb:
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