that crappy design choice :'( and micro b connector :'(Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.
I'd rather buy a hasu controller
The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.
I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.I see you still haven't figured out that there is another JP model.
Ah right, always forget about that thing. Tiny spacebars before tiny spacebars were cool.I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.I see you still haven't figured out that there is another JP model.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yPSuo.jpg)
oh look, finally a rubber stopper in the BT edition:Show Image(http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/images/hhkb-bt-img05.jpg)
Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.
They could've taken example from Hasu and just made a official Bluetooth controller with built-in battery but instead they made the classical design a bit rough and I don't like it. But that's just my opinion. I'll be happy with my newly bought HHKB Pro 2 & will probably buy the Hasu controller instead of this.
Could this mean that the HHKB Pro 2 price will drop? This could possibly happen, right?
apparently the battery can last for 3 months? if so, that's pretty longexciting huh! finally the iPad has a worthy keyboard.
- No type-s
- finally a black HHKB Pro JP option
- dat bootay though
Maybe this is just to tide us over for the next...eon or so...then again, why fix something if it isn't broken?
Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.If they made a white HHKB Pro BT it would look like a Apple approved HID device.[attachimg=1]
Made a somewhat shocking discovery.I want to like this but I'd rather install a hasu controller so I can customize the layout.
"Power supplyAA batteries (two), the power supply from the Micro USB port (cable not included)"
"Interface : Bluetooth Ver3.0 Class2 (Bluetooth HID 1.0 profile)" No USB here.
"Power to adopt a readily available AA batteries. About three months operating with two AA alkaline batteries. Also equipped with a USB micro-B connector for power supply"
Seems pretty straightforward that USB is for power only.
Also this picture:Show Image(http://www.ipodstyle.jp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/7d68a3591887f45529d6870096202e9d.jpg)
Top: LED indicator. The LED's color and blinking/non-blinking indicate the connection status
Bottom left: Power switch
Bottom center: Battery compartment, AA battery x 2
Bottom right: USB micro-B connector (for power supply)
Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.
Might get this just because.
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.
Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.
So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?
Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.
"HHKB is supreme."
> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.
Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.
So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?
Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.
Might get this just because.
nah
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.
Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.
So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?
Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.
"HHKB is supreme."
> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"
i think pfu wants the protect the hhkbs image as a 'purist' topre typing board, but they kinda ****ed up every opportunity with this.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/w7D3Sy7.jpg)
preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhereYeah? What's inside then? HHKB2 had enough space for a gigantic controller board and a Li-Po battery.
preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhereYeah? What's inside then? HHKB2 had enough space for a gigantic controller board and a Li-Po battery.
why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you
why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you
I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/
why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you
I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/
Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.Sure. I'm personally more interested in pics of the main board and electronics (should be all 3.3v) and if does it fit into the old case (re: white type-s).
Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.Sure. I'm personally more interested in pics of the main board and electronics (should be all 3.3v) and if does it fit into the old case (re: white type-s).
hail hasuMaybe PFU needs to make Hasu their "Head of HHKB development" or whatever the position is called? :D
IMO it doesn't look as beautiful as the wired HHKB. The battery life looks really nice though. Why do stock Bluetooth have so much longer battery life compared to community developed ones (e.g. Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module)? It is because they do optimization in the circuit (say lowering scan rate?) to save power?
Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth moduleI have an alt controller, yeah, battery life is terrible. What's with a GON/NerD bluetooth (FB155BC)? Can't find battery life specs for this keyboard.
that crappy design choice :'( and micro b connector :'(Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.
I'd rather buy a hasu controllerThe only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.
What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?
MORE FRAGILE BRO WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO SAYthat crappy design choice :'( and micro b connector :'(Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.
I'd rather buy a hasu controllerThe only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.
What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?
dummies question: what's the deal with mini-usb? Why is it the deal-breaker to a lot of people here when it comes to micro-usb?
It's not on the website. I emailed GON and they replied the battery life is around 24 hours.QuoteHasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth moduleI have an alt controller, yeah, battery life is terrible. What's with a GON/NerD bluetooth (FB155BC)? Can't find battery life specs for this keyboard.
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?I think it's great PFU is attempting anything new with the hhkb and if I was in a buying position I'd be all over it.
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?I think it's great PFU is attempting anything new with the hhkb and if I was in a buying position I'd be all over it.
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?
If it doesn't lag and the battery life on AA's is 3months..that's pretty damn nice....I would consider getting one simply because it makes things easy..
I wouldn't want any of the "fake" innovation you mentioned before...but programmable would've been nice...I would've liked to see it Bluetooth, batteries in the same exact form factor as well without the bulge but the bulge itself isn't a no...
The part that is annoying though is no way adding bluetooth = 100 dollars...
Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.
QuoteYeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.
Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.
Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.
QuoteYeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.
I guess if pfu fixed the lagging / jamming of wireless kb at higher wpms they WILL sell like crazy.
I've yet to see a wireless kb that registers alles strokes at high wpms.
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board. I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.
The batteries might make it a bit heavier - stop it sliding around quite as much.
For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.
Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.
I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.
For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.
Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.
I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.
For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.
Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.
I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.
Yeah... I'm thinking about that myself know. Though just for an iPad keyboard this really is expensive lol.
As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac.. I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! :eek:
As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac.. I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! :eek:
when you are one with the cup rubber, who cares about the boner at the back? Just enjoy the feeling (opps, wrong quote)As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac.. I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! :eek:
Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.
when you are one with the cup rubber, who cares about the boner at the back? Just enjoy the feeling (opps, wrong quote)As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac.. I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL! :eek:
Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.
Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.
Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.
The back hump is a little funky looking, but I'm totally on board with AAs -- I use Eneloop rechargables and can just pop new ones in very quickly, vs. waiting for a lithium-ion battery to recharge. Or if I was travelling I could of course buy new batteries anywhere on earth.
It isn't really necessary. I have Filco Convertible 2 that powers from 2xAA batteries and its battery life is tremendous - 6 months officialy, but it works for about an year already, under a heavy use (on duracell turbomax batteries).
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))
AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))
AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?
Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.
Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's. If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))
AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?
Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.
Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's. If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))
AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?
Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.
Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's. If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.
LiPo may have problems with temperature but honestly, who is going to leave their HHKB out in a hot car or outside in the snow?
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))
AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?
Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.
Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's. If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.
LiPo may have problems with temperature but honestly, who is going to leave their HHKB out in a hot car or outside in the snow?
It isn't just that, it is replacing it when it is no longer delivering the lifetime it should. Where would you get it? How much would that be? How long would it keep a charge for?
I like the idea of AAs..although LiPO would've given them a greater chance to add it to the current internals of the case...
They traded away aesthetic for the return of functionality.
How is this objectively bad?
I'm a man who values looks before functionality but even then I have to say that I can approve of this. AA batteries will always be more functional than lithium ion in the event that bulk and weight are of no concern.
They traded away aesthetic for the return of functionality.
How is this objectively bad?
I'm a man who values looks before functionality but even then I have to say that I can approve of this. AA batteries will always be more functional than lithium ion in the event that bulk and weight are of no concern.
Well... like I've pointed out with the new Apple wireless keyboard, aesthetics didn't need to be traded for functionality. At least that's the way I look at it.
How are AA batteries more functional? A Li-Ion will last longer, you don't have it sticking out, and you don't have to replace the batteries. Saves a lot of hassle if you ask me.
li-Ion will eventually die (and if it does so in a poor fashion it could cause a good amount of damage) Rechargeable AA's are cheap simple to replace. When in smaller tech like this i always prefer an easily removable battery source hence as i mentioned earlier loved when Logitech moved the G602 to AA's. Given when the run time on batteries is so long when you can use 2 AA's i don't see the real advantage of a li-ion.
THe Li-Ion if inside the board could end up damaging it should anything bad happen with the battery
So why can they built it like the old Nokia feature phone? Flat Li Ion battery that's easily replaceable.
Depends on the AA cell. Most non-rechargeables are +/- 800 mAh but one could get rechargeables with much more capacity.
PFU is pretty big. I don't see why they couldn't find a producer of a safe battery for tablets or cell phones that would fit the HHKB case. Their customers are obviously well informed of the products, why couldn't they do this and offer a replacement battery on the website?
My thought is AA is the easiest to access without opening the case. I guess PFU hates it when people open the HHKB :confused:
Depends on the AA cell. Most non-rechargeables are +/- 800 mAh but one could get rechargeables with much more capacity.
PFU is pretty big. I don't see why they couldn't find a producer of a safe battery for tablets or cell phones that would fit the HHKB case. Their customers are obviously well informed of the products, why couldn't they do this and offer a replacement battery on the website?
My thought is AA is the easiest to access without opening the case. I guess PFU hates it when people open the HHKB :confused:
Depends on the AA cell. Most non-rechargeables are +/- 800 mAh but one could get rechargeables with much more capacity.
PFU is pretty big. I don't see why they couldn't find a producer of a safe battery for tablets or cell phones that would fit the HHKB case. Their customers are obviously well informed of the products, why couldn't they do this and offer a replacement battery on the website?
My thought is AA is the easiest to access without opening the case. I guess PFU hates it when people open the HHKB :confused:
But they could've made a pocket in the case for AA batteries. Or AAA batteries. Well, will never know for sure. Still voting for Hasu to become PFU HHKB team director. :D
First review:
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.
That's the Japanese layout as is with the normal JP HHKB layout, i'd venture to guess the American version will look more like the normal HHKB Pro 2 we are used to.
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.
That's the Japanese layout as is with the normal JP HHKB layout, i'd venture to guess the American version will look more like the normal HHKB Pro 2 we are used to.
Ah, that makes sense. I hope somebody will get the American HHKB and post a review of that.
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.
That's the Japanese layout as is with the normal JP HHKB layout, i'd venture to guess the American version will look more like the normal HHKB Pro 2 we are used to.
Ah, that makes sense. I hope somebody will get the American HHKB and post a review of that.
RIP the screens on those devices! He stacked them on top of each other.. oh the humanity :'(
Edit - If the Hasu controller gets an update for the HHKB2 JP layout, I would totally buy that board/controller and open the case up :cool:
Got HHKB from Amazon to the shipping service, supposedly there's one more week till it gets to me. Hasu already got one from the local store, promised to post pics later.awesome shot of the internals.
Upd: That "empty space" is actually a large ferrite bead:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EPtsb7U.jpg)
The main board is quite changed. The main controller is ultra-low power MSP430, the bluetooth chip is BCM20730:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2ll0Ryg.jpg)
Uses a small 20pin PCB-PCB connector, no more JST-13, no more wires (only a few that go to the batteries).
Got HHKB from Amazon to the shipping service, supposedly there's one more week till it gets to me. Hasu already got one from the local store, promised to post pics later.
Upd: That "empty space" is actually a large ferrite bead:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EPtsb7U.jpg)
The main board is quite changed. The main controller is ultra-low power MSP430, the bluetooth chip is BCM20730:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2ll0Ryg.jpg)
Uses a small 20pin PCB-PCB connector, no more JST-13, no more wires (only a few that go to the batteries).
Another unboxing (shows that "smart case" that goes to preorderers).
Status LED turns off after a while (as on bluetooth Filco's).
The smartness of the case wasn't really shown.
That's my thought as well. And it looked to be pretty solidly built. My only concern is not aesthetic but whether I need to press the start button to wake the keyboard up.Another unboxing (shows that "smart case" that goes to preorderers).
Status LED turns off after a while (as on bluetooth Filco's).
The smartness of the case wasn't really shown.
Actually, that bulge looks WAY smaller like this. It's also very to the lower end of the board. Don't think I find it that ugly anymore.
That's my thought as well. And it looked to be pretty solidly built. My only concern is not aesthetic but whether I need to press the start button to wake the keyboard up.
Paid for the last mile. Shipping weight is 1095g, dimensions are 34x17x14 cm, probably includes that really smart smart case for the first 1000 of buyers. Paid 3250 JPY for shipping to Europe (EMS, 7 days, fully insured, http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ + http://zenmarket.jp). Now I wait.
Might be. It was just a google translate after all. Can't even find that page anymore.
Upd: It's there in the description to the unboxing video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Xv88E-oUg). Looks like it's just a cheap cloth pocket:
There are three BT models: PD-KB600B (US layout), PD-KB600BN (US layout, blank keys) and PD-KB620B (JP layout). Mine shown here is the blank one - PD-KB600BN. The fact that the keyboard came with a soft keyboard case -- or "HHKB smart case" as PFU calls it -- confirms I was indeed one of the fastest (≤ 1000th) to preorder the keyboard. There is nothing "smart" about the case by the way; it's just a name.
But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?A cloth sleeve. I coudn't find exact model but it clearly says "BIRD" on the label, looks like there's no PFU branding at all. Looks pretty generic.
Actually, that bulge looks WAY smaller like this. It's also very to the lower end of the board. Don't think I find it that ugly anymore.
But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?It is in the pictures...It is just a cloth/neoprene cover for the keyboard...Carrying case, sleeve, cache, cover, whatever you want to call it..
But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?A cloth sleeve. I coudn't find exact model but it clearly says "BIRD" on the label, looks like there's no PFU branding at all. Looks pretty generic.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/x44FKN0.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p5AjgV7.jpg)
I got it and took some pics of internal.
http://imgur.com/a/YfcYt/all
I'll add info(of internals) in this thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg2152474#msg2152474
I got it and took some pics of internal.
http://imgur.com/a/YfcYt/all
I'll add info(of internals) in this thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg2152474#msg2152474
Seems like it sells for 27500 JPY (248 USD) rather than 29700 JPY (267 USD) directly at PFU:
http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/hhkb/detail_hhkb-pro-bt.html "27,500 Ą (excluding tax) (tax-included price: Ą 29,700)"
Does tax always apply?
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.
But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?A cloth sleeve. I coudn't find exact model but it clearly says "BIRD" on the label, looks like there's no PFU branding at all. Looks pretty generic.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/x44FKN0.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p5AjgV7.jpg)
Found it in the Bird Electron facebook feed.
https://www.facebook.com/BIRDELECTRON/photos/a.168546086530891.49368.168542443197922/1118139348238222/?type=3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DBrDukt.jpg)
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.
Same here -- I'd happily make this upgrade if it turns out to be usable!
hasu, what about waking up from inactivity? Do you need to press the On button to wake it up? Does the Bluetooth goes to sleep?
hasu, what about waking up from inactivity? Do you need to press the On button to wake it up? Does the Bluetooth goes to sleep?
Nvm, hasu answered it in another thread. There is a dip switch to make the HHKB never to sleep. By default it sleeps after 30 min of inactivity and the only way to wake it up is via the power button.
This is brilliant to me. I want a keyboard to not sleep.
hasu, what about waking up from inactivity? Do you need to press the On button to wake it up? Does the Bluetooth goes to sleep?
Nvm, hasu answered it in another thread. There is a dip switch to make the HHKB never to sleep. By default it sleeps after 30 min of inactivity and the only way to wake it up is via the power button.
This is brilliant to me. I want a keyboard to not sleep.
Yeah. Death to MiniUSB! That MicroUSB isn't really USB though, just a reserve power, there is only two wires:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WdXRlbL.jpg?1)
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.
Same here -- I'd happily make this upgrade if it turns out to be usable!
I can't perceive any latency and weird on typing and connection, no problem at all. Its case and controller are completely new designed and not compatible with Pro2 anymore, but just like Pro2 in terms of typing, no surprise and no disappointment.
As a bonus its rubber feet are way better than Pro2's :D And battery compartment is not seeable when typing luckily :p
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.
Same here -- I'd happily make this upgrade if it turns out to be usable!
I can't perceive any latency and weird on typing and connection, no problem at all. Its case and controller are completely new designed and not compatible with Pro2 anymore, but just like Pro2 in terms of typing, no surprise and no disappointment.
As a bonus its rubber feet are way better than Pro2's :D And battery compartment is not seeable when typing luckily :p
Apparently I'm the weird one here, AA battery and MicroUSB just sold me on this. Now I'm patiently waiting for a package from Tenso.
Does it come with a usb dongle or does your device already have to have bluetooth capabilities?Ofc there's no usb dongle but it's bt 3.0 (bcm20730) so it will work with every piece of **** outdated bluetooth device on the planet.
Great, thanks for the pics. Would you think it might be possible to put the internals of the BT inside a regular Pro 2? I'm thinking it should be possible.
Does it come with a usb dongle or does your device already have to have bluetooth capabilities?Ofc there's no usb dongle but it's bt 3.0 (bcm20730) so it will work with every piece of **** outdated bluetooth device on the planet.
Great, thanks for the pics. Would you think it might be possible to put the internals of the BT inside a regular Pro 2? I'm thinking it should be possible.Here are the pics:
battery pack looks like a tumor
Ah, of course. Anyone checked if it's still 5V or have they gone lower?It drives all of components and switches with 3V.
I'd be curious to see how long it can last for in the never-sleep mode.
No there's no noticeable lag on those devices, I guess it's some kind of urban legend. Or maybe I'm just not typing fast enough.I feel lag when using the Apple Magic Trackpad on a Mac. I haven't tried a Bluetooth keyboard but I'd imagine the lag is due to the communications over Bluetooth. So it's not exactly a urban legend.
No there's no noticeable lag on those devices, I guess it's some kind of urban legend. Or maybe I'm just not typing fast enough.Although it has no noticeable lag the Apple wireless keyboard only has as little as 2kro to 6kro, depending on the combination of keys pressed. A stock HHKB 2 PRO or Realforce have 6kro, with Hasu's HHKB Alt controller nkro is possible over USB - 6kro with Bluetooth.
It's especially great that the battery compartment is removable. Modifying that somehow would be much better than switching cases IMO.
Did we find where we can buy one? Can confirm no stock in Tokyo or Kyoto as of this week. Are you guys buying on Amazon.jp and or using a proxy?I don't think you can find it at street shop. It is available only at online; Amazon or rakuten.
They seem to have one version of the HHKB BT in stock:Just tried that, they sell keyboard that costs about $277 (29700 JPY) for $319.00 WITHOUT shipping, shipping to US will cost either Airmail (Uninsured - 7 to 10 days) $18.50 or Insured EMS Express $26.00. So insured delivery would cost $345.00, almost +$70. I say f*** them.
http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/
They seem to have one version of the HHKB BT in stock:Just tried that, they sell keyboard that costs about $277 (29700 JPY) for $319.00 WITHOUT shipping, shipping to US will cost either Airmail (Uninsured - 7 to 10 days) $18.50 or Insured EMS Express $26.00. So insured delivery would cost $345.00, almost +$70. I say f*** them.
http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/
That does sound pretty costly, but I don't know what to compare the $345 to. What is the alternative to get this to a US address to compare it to?Shipping price looks pretty much the same but http://zenmarket.jp charges just $2.78 (300 JPY) for handling, while SmartImports charges about $42. The cheapest would be 31590 JPY: 29700 JPY for the keyboard on Amazon, 300 JPY zenmarket fee, 1590 JPY for shipping (1100g, SAL, Small Packet, 18 days to US) - $293 overall (just $17 for all the shipping and handling). Insured EMS (7 days) will cost $10 more.
That does sound pretty costly, but I don't know what to compare the $345 to. What is the alternative to get this to a US address to compare it to?Shipping price looks pretty much the same but http://zenmarket.jp charges just $2.78 (300 JPY) for handling, while SmartImports charges about $42. The cheapest would be 31590 JPY: 29700 JPY for the keyboard on Amazon, 300 JPY zenmarket fee, 1590 JPY for shipping (1100g, SAL, Small Packet, 18 days to US) - $293 overall (just $17 for all the shipping and handling). Insured EMS (7 days) will cost $10 more.
From the deskthority thread: BT HHKB vs classic HHKB ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/sTUkObX.jpg) (https://deskthority.net/post301425.html#p301425)
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board. I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board. I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.
Is lightning to female usb ---> male usb to male micro usb an option with an Ipad?
I know I can do it with my android devices and KBs.
I know the cable is out there for lightning to usb, but don't know if Ipad is capable or not.
Good lord, the alt. controller for this keyboard is already up on skiwithpete's website :eek:
This controller, created by Hasu, is a replacement controller that turns your HHKB Pro2 mechanical keyboard into a fully Bluetooth programmable keyboard.
Good lord, the alt. controller for this keyboard is already up on skiwithpete's website :eek:
No, it isn't.QuoteThis controller, created by Hasu, is a replacement controller that turns your HHKB Pro2 mechanical keyboard into a fully Bluetooth programmable keyboard.
Anyone knows if the BT will switch off by itself when inactive or do we have to keep turning it off ourself?
Anyone knows if the BT will switch off by itself when inactive or do we have to keep turning it off ourself?I use it for a few weeks. It completely switches off after 30 minutes if you set DIP switch to Wake Up Enable: OFF so you have to wake it up with a button. It also switches off with that switch setting when the host shuts down even for a few seconds (i.e. after reboot you'd have to press the button again). If you set Wake Up Enable: ON then it will never switch off (i.e. I left it for the night and it woke up after the first keystroke). Power consumption when wake up is off is much smaller comparing with when the wake up is on.
Anyone knows if the BT will switch off by itself when inactive or do we have to keep turning it off ourself?I use it for a few weeks. It completely switches off after 30 minutes if you set DIP switch to Wake Up Enable: OFF so you have to wake it up with a button. It also switches off with that switch setting when the host shuts down even for a few seconds (i.e. after reboot you'd have to press the button again). If you set Wake Up Enable: ON then it will never switch off (i.e. I left it for the night and it woke up after the first keystroke). Power consumption when wake up is off is much smaller comparing with when the wake up is on.
It's all there http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/feature.html sorry for google translate:
Note : In the case of Wake Up Disable, when the key input was not 30 minutes, you will automatically OFF mode. In the case of Wake Up Enable, does not become automatically OFF mode be followed there is no key input state. Battery consumption is faster compared to the Wake Up Disable. If you are powered by USB micro-B cable is the Wake Up Enable regardless of this setting. To reconnect to the case which has been cut from the connected device, please press the key or the power switch.
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.I'm not sure if you are being serious.
Hmm, I thought it is supposed to last 30 days!3 months with alkalines, according to PFU, not sure about Ni-mh though.
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.I'm not sure if you are being serious.
Are you even talking about Eneloop?Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.I'm not sure if you are being serious.
I am dead serious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-discharge ... Li-ion absorb the least amount of self-discharge (around 2% to 3% discharge per month) than lead-acid at 4% to 6%, while nickel-based batteries are more seriously affected by the phenomenon (NiCad, 15% to 20%; NiMH, 30%). Primary batteries, which aren't designed for recharging between manufacturing and use, have much lower self-discharge rates, with shelf lives of 2 to 3 years for zinc–carbon batteries, 5 years for alkaline
You're trying to use high-current high self-discharge Ni-Mh accumulators in a device that needs super-small current and low self-discharge batteries, such as alkaline.
Speaking about capacity, AA batteries have a capacity over 2,500 mAh that effectively makes 2xAA a replacement for 2500 mAh 3V Li-Po battery, while Ni-Mh have real measured capacities in a range of 1200 to 1900 mAh.
Use those eneloopes for the camera, for the keyboard you should use good alcalines like Duracell Turbo Max. My Filco with the same chip (BCM27030) lives on those for more than an year (with 6 months official battery life). I assume HHKB BT, declared 3 months, would work for 6+ months on turbomax alcalines. I personally use it since it came out, for more than a month already.
There are even better, Lithium AA like GP Lithium but they're pretty pricey.
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.
Eneloop batteries aside, any other impressions after using for a month or more? Would you recommend this to your friends?I don't know what's wrong with BCM20730 or with my computer but all my keyboards with this 3.0 bluetooth chip (e.g. Filco Majestouch Convertible 2) prone to stuttering, disconnecting and reconnecting like every 1000 chars (very often the keyup event is not fired so the last keypress repeats like 20-50 times, very nasty, especially if it disconnects on Del). I bought 5 or 6 different Wifi/Bluetooth combo cards but it's all the same. So yeah, for occasional typing it's fine, but professionally those keyboards are pretty much unusable. Other than that, it's a regular HHKB Pro 2. With a hump.
did you have a chance to try it in a Mac or iPad? I hope their Bluetooth is better implemented than those Bluetooth cards or dongle you are referring to.Nope. Maybe I will upgrade later (I'm still using 3 y/o Asus laptop with an SSD drive). Got Filco roughly 1.5 years ago and the problem persisted on Win7/Win8/Win10. Cards were BCM94352HMB, RTL8821AE, 7260HMW and a bunch of older (802.11n + BT 4.0) ones. Power management switched off. Hasu controller doesn't have this issue.
did you have a chance to try it in a Mac or iPad? I hope their Bluetooth is better implemented than those Bluetooth cards or dongle you are referring to.
did you have a chance to try it in a Mac or iPad? I hope their Bluetooth is better implemented than those Bluetooth cards or dongle you are referring to.
I tried it on Mac and it works really good. Then I tried it on my iPad Pro. Connects fine the first time then it broke. Can't even turn it on anymore. Replace batteries and even tried to connect with USB and nothing works.
Maybe it's just a faulty one that I received. I'm getting a new one already.
Anybody know if Elite Keyboards is planning to stock these?
Actually it would cost much cheaper if you buy it directly from amazon.jp via shipping service like tenso.Anybody know if Elite Keyboards is planning to stock these?
I would like to know as well or if I should just go with Hasu's BT Controller
Actually it would cost much cheaper if you buy it directly from amazon.jp via shipping service like tenso.Anybody know if Elite Keyboards is planning to stock these?
I would like to know as well or if I should just go with Hasu's BT Controller
Amazon.jp link to HHKB BT: http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ it costs 29700 JPY (~$285)
Someone already stockpiles them in US and sells them for $319 (+$34 to the price), not considering shipping.
http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/
TL;DR:
HHKB BT originally costs 29700 JPY ($285)
http://zenmarket.jp charges just $18 for all the shipping and handling (1100g), $303 overall. I bought there.
Smartimports sells for $319.00 WITHOUT shipping + $26.00 for EMS, $345.00 overall, you're overpaying $42.
Actually it would cost much cheaper if you buy it directly from amazon.jp via shipping service like tenso.
So I'm interested in the Adaptor to connect the iPad to my keyboards. I read that HHKB Pro 2 does work probably because it kinda requires a lot of power due to the two USB plug, the power requirement is beyond what the iPad can provide. So, I'm curious how you got the HHKB Pro 2 to work. Did you use a powered USB hub?Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board. I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.
Is lightning to female usb ---> male usb to male micro usb an option with an Ipad?
I know I can do it with my android devices and KBs.
I know the cable is out there for lightning to usb, but don't know if Ipad is capable or not.
If I am understanding your question, the answer is yes. I use the following adaptor to use my HHKB, RealForce, IBM Model M, Avant Stellar, and Unicomp keyboard with my iPad, no problem:
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter?fnode=91
So I'm interested in the Adaptor to connect the iPad to my keyboards. I read that HHKB Pro 2 does work probably because it kinda requires a lot of power due to the two USB plug, the power requirement is beyond what the iPad can provide. So, I'm curious how you got the HHKB Pro 2 to work. Did you use a powered USB hub?Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board. I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.
Is lightning to female usb ---> male usb to male micro usb an option with an Ipad?
I know I can do it with my android devices and KBs.
I know the cable is out there for lightning to usb, but don't know if Ipad is capable or not.
If I am understanding your question, the answer is yes. I use the following adaptor to use my HHKB, RealForce, IBM Model M, Avant Stellar, and Unicomp keyboard with my iPad, no problem:
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter?fnode=91
However I would think that the newer Apple adapter would work with it, as it can provide more power:Thank you, in my research I also stumbled upon this new adapter, in which, I could power it (and powering the iPad as well at the same time). So perhaps it will work with a HHKB!
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter?fnode=91
Any thoughts on the HHKB BT? How is it holding up? What is realistic battery life? Any issues?
Any thoughts on the HHKB BT? How is it holding up? What is realistic battery life? Any issues?It's all good. No proper issues apart from having to restarting it every week because it just stops working so whatever. Battery is super good, a couple months probably.
That's good to hear. I might have to get one at some point :D
I already own a black Pro 2 and a Type-S :D
Wouldn't be bad having one of each variant though. I also need a Pro (1).
I already own a black Pro 2 and a Type-S :D
Wouldn't be bad having one of each variant though. I also need a Pro (1).
Where do you even get a hhkb pro 1? ebay?Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/confused-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862495)
Torn between an HHKB Pro 2 and the BT. Sounds like a few people have had issues here. If I were to buy it, I'd purchase it through a proxy (ZenMarket), so warranty/returns might be tricky. Anyone else been using this as a daily driver without issues, or has anyone dealt with repairs through PFU? Cheers.
Has anyone here bought from smartimports.net?
I was thinking of buying a hhkb bt from them.
I totally want the BT version. I want it so much but I can't live without Hasu's controller mod for programmability. HHKB + programming is an utter delight. Is it worth the sacrifice for wireless glory?
-R
I totally want the BT version. I want it so much but I can't live without Hasu's controller mod for programmability. HHKB + programming is an utter delight. Is it worth the sacrifice for wireless glory?
-R
Can't you have both? Or does having one preclude the other?
I have a problem with my HHKB BT board. Sometimes it freeze for few second and when it reconnect, it would repeats the last key I put in for endless time. Has anyone experienced anything like this?
I also have a normal HHKB and it works very well, but this wireless, expensive HHKB BT really annoys me. I connect it via WiFI and bluetooth unit on my Z170N-WIFI mainboard. Wondering if changing bluetooth dongle will fix it?
I have a problem with my HHKB BT board. Sometimes it freeze for few second and when it reconnect, it would repeats the last key I put in for endless time. Has anyone experienced anything like this?
I also have a normal HHKB and it works very well, but this wireless, expensive HHKB BT really annoys me. I connect it via WiFI and bluetooth unit on my Z170N-WIFI mainboard. Wondering if changing bluetooth dongle will fix it?
I had this problem with mine as well, to a point that keys repeat every few minutes until i turn off the board. Turn on the board again and the problem still persists. What I tried that worked was to delete/reset all the pairings (I was using it with macOS Sierra and Windows 10), and re-paired it with just one device. I haven't had the problem ever since. I'm now thinking that this was an issue with the multi-device part of its software/firmware.
It's been a week nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww sssssssssince
Kidding aside, it's been 1 week now since the last time this happened.
Would really appreciate any pointers of anyone who has had experience of the two!I ended with Hasu and sold the HHKB BT abomination. The battery compartment is ugly and there's no USB mode at all, the USB is power only.
Kidding aside, it's been 1 week now since the last time this happened.I have this same issue, but it was also happening on my old AnnePro so I'm starting to blame the dongle/BT drivers/windows. So far have tried replacing the dongle but the issue has not looked to get any better.
This device has gotten a lot of good reviews lately.