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Title: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: ZestMyu on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:00:31
PFU is finally releasing a Happy Hacking keyboard with built in bluetooth:
http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/shop/hhkb/btpre.html (http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/shop/hhkb/btpre.html)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: appleonama on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:02:53
that crappy design choice  :'( and micro b connector  :'(
I'd rather buy a hasu controller
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:06:55
The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:07:24
Well that's pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: fknraiden on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:11:31
Any english articles? or what specs and version availability?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:12:20
that crappy design choice  :'( and micro b connector  :'(
I'd rather buy a hasu controller
Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.

The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.

What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:14:19
I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:33:58
I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.
I see you still haven't figured out that there is another JP model.
(http://i.imgur.com/yPSuo.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Coreda on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:34:02
You'd think there would be space enough for a flatter battery and BT adapter to fit inside the existing case. From the looks of it they went with replaceable AA batteries, though it's unclear if they can be recharged from the unit itself. Maybe someone who understands Japanese can shed some light.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:51:01
I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.
I see you still haven't figured out that there is another JP model.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/yPSuo.jpg)

Ah right, always forget about that thing. Tiny spacebars before tiny spacebars were cool.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: yomammary on Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:28:43
That's underwhelming...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: clacktalk on Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:30:48
not programmable
jutting AA battery compartment

where is the innovation
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: romevi on Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:32:07
I still would rather get the hasu controller so I can program keys as well as have Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:45:25
PFU, just release a HHKB 3, that's all you need to do and the HHKB master race will be lining up for one, as long as it's not ****e.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: jerue on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:21:32

Maybe this is just to tide us over for the next...eon or so...then again, why fix something if it isn't broken?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:44:57
I thought it's not that bad looking. Hmm, I have been looking for a BT mech keyboard for the iPad and this came at the right time. I wonder if they are discontinuing the non BT models, since this one can be cable driven as well.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:57:28
oh look, finally a rubber stopper in the BT edition:
(http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/images/hhkb-bt-img05.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 12 April 2016, 00:11:28
oh look, finally a rubber stopper in the BT edition:
Show Image
(http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/images/hhkb-bt-img05.jpg)



AMAZING!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: adhoc on Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:07:48
Heh, I wrote I'd expect a new HHKB on GH IRC channel 2 weeks ago, everyone mocked me. It's an iteration, not innovation, which is perfectly fine in my eyes. I wanted wireless, no usb hub and stock pbt space bar from the update. So far this rings all the bells (except for the space bar - or?), but I'll wait for type s bt, which will inevitably come.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: funderburker on Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:49:06
Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.
They could've taken example from Hasu and just made a official Bluetooth controller with built-in battery but instead they made the classical design a bit rough and I don't like it. But that's just my opinion. I'll be happy with my newly bought HHKB Pro 2 & will probably buy the Hasu controller instead of this.

Could this mean that the HHKB Pro 2 price will drop? This could possibly happen, right?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:58:23
Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.
They could've taken example from Hasu and just made a official Bluetooth controller with built-in battery but instead they made the classical design a bit rough and I don't like it. But that's just my opinion. I'll be happy with my newly bought HHKB Pro 2 & will probably buy the Hasu controller instead of this.

Could this mean that the HHKB Pro 2 price will drop? This could possibly happen, right?

I like AA because lithium ion dies over time and you cannot replace the batteries like you can with traditional methods.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:58:59
Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: nmur on Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:08:52
apparently the battery can last for 3 months? if so, that's pretty long
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:25:15
apparently the battery can last for 3 months? if so, that's pretty long
exciting huh! finally the iPad has a worthy keyboard.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: demik on Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:40:21
  • No type-s
  • finally a black HHKB Pro JP option
  • dat bootay though

Maybe this is just to tide us over for the next...eon or so...then again, why fix something if it isn't broken?

There has always been a black jp tho
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: beehatch on Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:51:35
fug
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: rurushu on Tue, 12 April 2016, 04:28:36
uhh.... the design... in my humblly humble opinion, is fugly.

The non- BT ones are nicer in design.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: MJ45 on Tue, 12 April 2016, 05:12:30
Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.
If they made a white HHKB Pro BT it would look like a Apple approved HID device.[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:50:19
http://www.ipodstyle.jp/news/hhkbbt/

More pics.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:20:02
Made a somewhat shocking discovery.

http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/spec.html

"Power supply   AA batteries (two), the power supply from the Micro USB port (cable not included)"
"Interface : Bluetooth Ver3.0 Class2 (Bluetooth HID 1.0 profile)" No USB here.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/?m=A2JB8E672LPES7&tag=pfdi-22

"Power to adopt a readily available AA batteries. About three months operating with two AA alkaline batteries. Also equipped with a USB micro-B connector for power supply"

Also this picture:

(http://www.ipodstyle.jp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/7d68a3591887f45529d6870096202e9d.jpg)

Top: LED indicator. The LED's color and blinking/non-blinking indicate the connection status
Bottom left: Power switch
Bottom center: Battery compartment, AA battery x 2
Bottom right: USB micro-B connector (for power supply)

Seems pretty straightforward that USB is for power only.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 12 April 2016, 15:02:43
Made a somewhat shocking discovery.

"Power supplyAA batteries (two), the power supply from the Micro USB port (cable not included)"
"Interface : Bluetooth Ver3.0 Class2 (Bluetooth HID 1.0 profile)" No USB here.
"Power to adopt a readily available AA batteries. About three months operating with two AA alkaline batteries. Also equipped with a USB micro-B connector for power supply"

Seems pretty straightforward that USB is for power only.

Also this picture:

Show Image
(http://www.ipodstyle.jp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/7d68a3591887f45529d6870096202e9d.jpg)


Top: LED indicator. The LED's color and blinking/non-blinking indicate the connection status
Bottom left: Power switch
Bottom center: Battery compartment, AA battery x 2
Bottom right: USB micro-B connector (for power supply)
I want to like this but I'd rather install a hasu controller so I can customize the layout.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: robbles on Tue, 12 April 2016, 15:27:51
I wonder how long it will be before these are ready to purchase in the USA. With the relative scarcity of Hasu's BT controller, if Amazon US gets these I might bite. I told myself my second HHKB would be a blank white though. The lack of color options is disappointing.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: breaker9691 on Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:05:24
i'm not sure that i will buy this version but i think when i got it i will make  quick review and typing sound for anyone who considering about buy this version

i'm loving the type-s with the "thock thock" sound and i owning both pro2 type-s and pro2, this version adding more "rubber dome" so it's will surely doesn't scratch your glass table and more stable when using on surface like glass and something like that

but typing is different each version of hhkb, hope that still can keep HHKB like a legend of 60% keyboard.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Rad on Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:14:26
That girl got an ass on her.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: raymogi on Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:51:01
Might get this just because.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 13 April 2016, 10:07:49
DIP switches migrated to the bottom, covered with a special lid.

(http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/images/feature-6-01.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:19:08
Yeah... No
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:34:05
Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.

Nope. The newest series have built-in batteries and charging over... thought micro or mini USB.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:37:32
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

"HHKB is supreme."

> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: beehatch on Wed, 13 April 2016, 18:36:24
Might get this just because.

nah
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: kekman on Wed, 13 April 2016, 19:44:35
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

"HHKB is supreme."

> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"

i think pfu wants the protect the hhkbs image as a 'purist' topre typing board, but they kinda ****ed up every opportunity with this.

Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: derb2k2 on Wed, 13 April 2016, 19:48:48
even though bluetooth is attractive, big negative on this. Don't like that part jutting out.

I'll be on the lookout for a slimmer version without the bump though.


edit: ahah, reading earlier comments. Yea that design isn't too good.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 13 April 2016, 20:14:08
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

MOST Topre lovers?  Why would they want it plate mounted?  That would completely kill the feel you get with a HHKB.  Some people may want a RF in the shape of a HHKB...but the HHKB is different and it should be..all that extra thock?  Lost..  That isn't innovation and is probably going in the WRONG direction.  55g is a niche weight and not the one they've determined is the best.  It might have a following here but it is a niche weight. Even check out the others that have made Topre keyboards (660c, Novatouch), they're not 55g.  Why would they make these MX compatible when they sell Topre Keycaps?  Maybe at some point if they're never making anymore keycaps (I would love more colors but the market is too small for that) they'll do us all a favor and switch but I just don't see it happening.    PBT Spacebar would be nice..but if you have any experience with these you know people have had to get their hair dryers out and straighten them a bit..not an issue any company wants to deal with...An Aluminum case would be interesting but for the same reason as the plate, you'd lose the feel and that's not something I'm interested in having with the HHKB.  I think one thing that wouldn't have changed the keyboard from a normal user standpoint but allowed for more options is programmable. 

I do agree that the bulge probably could've been handled differently (although I'm sure they looked into it)...Normal batteries are so much better than chargeable ones though.  What happens when your chargeable battery dies?  You have a bluetooth keyboard that you need to have plugged in...You only have a built in battery because of size or because you want the keyboard to be obsolete in the 3-5 years it'll take for the battery to no longer charge very well...and if they had a replaceable battery, how long will that be available?  Pretty nice market to begin with...AA batteries that last 3 months is pretty good..more than happy to deal with that..and the usb as a backup in case it dies is great.  Maybe having a way to charge rechargeable AA's if it was plugged in might've been interesting....
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 13 April 2016, 21:27:15
You probably just never had a wireless keyboard. Try it, this is ****ing sweet (not the hasu controller that just makes it a huge PITA). Ordering this one right now.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: cryptokey on Wed, 13 April 2016, 22:04:42
Been looking around at getting my first HHKB, but this bluetooth HHKB is too fugly for me.  Bluetooth and micro usb isn't a plus for me so I'll pass.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: romevi on Thu, 14 April 2016, 00:03:08
Might get this just because.

nah

 :))
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 14 April 2016, 00:44:19
Just got an official reply to my inquiry from hhkb@pfu.fujitsu.com:

USB is for power only.There is no I/F.
It can't charge battery.
Best Reg,
今後とも弊社製品の変わらぬご愛顧の程、心よりお願い申し上げます。敬具
【ご質問/ご連絡 内容】
Title : USB connector Inquiry :
This is about HHKB Professional BT.
1) Is USB for power only? Will it work via USB cable if there's no Bluetooth on the host?
2) Does it have a built in charger for AA-sized accumulators?
Product Name: HHKB全般
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 14 April 2016, 03:40:25
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

"HHKB is supreme."

> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"

i think pfu wants the protect the hhkbs image as a 'purist' topre typing board, but they kinda ****ed up every opportunity with this.

I don't think pfu is gonna recover from this.. topre bragging rights down the drain
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: henz on Thu, 14 April 2016, 06:04:40
its like we need to hype because they have released a new model.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 14 April 2016, 07:23:05
(https://i.imgur.com/w7D3Sy7.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: kekman on Thu, 14 April 2016, 07:56:17
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/w7D3Sy7.jpg)


preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhere
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 14 April 2016, 08:04:31
preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhere
Yeah? What's inside then? HHKB2 had enough space for a gigantic controller board and a Li-Po battery.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: kekman on Thu, 14 April 2016, 08:24:41
preeetty sure the bluetooth module has to go somewhere
Yeah? What's inside then? HHKB2 had enough space for a gigantic controller board and a Li-Po battery.

why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 14 April 2016, 08:38:26
why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you

I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: kekman on Thu, 14 April 2016, 08:58:40
why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you

I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/

nice, i dont really see myself getting one unless a type-s version comes out in white
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:43:07
why don't you buy one and check if it matters that much to you

I actually preordered one, just out of curiosity (hope I'll be in the first 1000 and get the "smart case" as well, whatever that is).
Shipping starts april, 25. Plus something about a week till I get my hands on it. Hasu probably will get it sooner.
It's selling right here http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ foreigners may order it via http://www.tenso.com/en/

Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 14 April 2016, 17:17:30
Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.
Sure. I'm personally more interested in pics of the main board and electronics (should be all 3.3v) and if does it fit into the old case (re: white type-s).
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 14 April 2016, 17:40:28
Pliieeess post a (small) review yes? And/or pics? I'm curious how good the plastic mold is for the back.
Sure. I'm personally more interested in pics of the main board and electronics (should be all 3.3v) and if does it fit into the old case (re: white type-s).

Cool! I'm also curious about the board. And build quality. I have the feeling pfu is going down hill. Probably not, but if you really think about pumping out these units something must be off.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: kasakka on Fri, 15 April 2016, 01:45:43
That bump at the back..that's just really terrible design when the case already should have enough space.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Bucake on Fri, 15 April 2016, 02:31:42
hail hasu
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: funderburker on Fri, 15 April 2016, 02:39:56
hail hasu
Maybe PFU needs to make Hasu their "Head of HHKB development" or whatever the position is called? :D
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: ctm on Sat, 16 April 2016, 15:15:19
IMO it doesn't look as beautiful as the wired HHKB. The battery life looks really nice though. Why do stock Bluetooth have so much longer battery life compared to community developed ones (e.g. Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module)? It is because they do optimization in the circuit (say lowering scan rate?) to save power?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 16 April 2016, 15:20:24
IMO it doesn't look as beautiful as the wired HHKB. The battery life looks really nice though. Why do stock Bluetooth have so much longer battery life compared to community developed ones (e.g. Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module)? It is because they do optimization in the circuit (say lowering scan rate?) to save power?

I'm afraid it's gonna lag. I have this with my apple wireless aluminum keyboard. I literally threw that POS in the garbage. Useless if you type faster than 60wpm.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sun, 17 April 2016, 04:57:08
Quote
Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module
I have an alt controller, yeah, battery life is terrible. What's with a GON/NerD bluetooth (FB155BC)? Can't find battery life specs for this keyboard.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: bazh on Sun, 17 April 2016, 06:42:21
that crappy design choice  :'( and micro b connector  :'(
I'd rather buy a hasu controller
Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.

The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.

What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?


dummies question: what's the deal with mini-usb? Why is it the deal-breaker to a lot of people here when it comes to micro-usb?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 17 April 2016, 06:42:53
that crappy design choice  :'( and micro b connector  :'(
I'd rather buy a hasu controller
Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.

The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.

What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?


dummies question: what's the deal with mini-usb? Why is it the deal-breaker to a lot of people here when it comes to micro-usb?
MORE FRAGILE BRO WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO SAY
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 17 April 2016, 06:44:35
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:04:04
I don't think it really changed much (it looks exactly the same from the front). And I just love microusb and wireless.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: ctm on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:09:11
Quote
Hasu's bluetooth controller for HHKB, or GON's bluetooth module
I have an alt controller, yeah, battery life is terrible. What's with a GON/NerD bluetooth (FB155BC)? Can't find battery life specs for this keyboard.
It's not on the website. I emailed GON and they replied the battery life is around 24 hours.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:10:23
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?
I think it's great PFU is attempting anything new with the hhkb and if I was in a buying position I'd be all over it.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Polymer on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:26:43
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?

If it doesn't lag and the battery life on AA's is 3months..that's pretty damn nice....I would consider getting one simply because it makes things easy..

I wouldn't want any of the "fake" innovation you mentioned before...but programmable would've been nice...I would've liked to see it Bluetooth, batteries in the same exact form factor as well without the bulge but the bulge itself isn't a no...

The part that is annoying though is no way adding bluetooth = 100 dollars...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:33:29
Even if you hate the design its a glimmer of hope that PFU still actually give a **** about the HHKB
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:38:30
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?
I think it's great PFU is attempting anything new with the hhkb and if I was in a buying position I'd be all over it.

I do encourage pfu for trying something new.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 17 April 2016, 08:39:11
Is there anybody around here who actually LIKES this new design?

If it doesn't lag and the battery life on AA's is 3months..that's pretty damn nice....I would consider getting one simply because it makes things easy..

I wouldn't want any of the "fake" innovation you mentioned before...but programmable would've been nice...I would've liked to see it Bluetooth, batteries in the same exact form factor as well without the bulge but the bulge itself isn't a no...

The part that is annoying though is no way adding bluetooth = 100 dollars...

Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sun, 17 April 2016, 10:21:17
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Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.
Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sun, 17 April 2016, 11:17:55
Recently ordered a HHKB JP Type-S to use with my iPad mostly, but would have been interested in a Bluetooth version if it was available at the time. However that bump out pretty much cancels out my interest in it. I don't know if that makes me someone with high aesthetic standards or just a shallow, superficial chump, because 3-month battery life sounds really good to me.

Let's see, if I purchase a 48-pack of Amazon Basics AAs for $12, that could theoretically provide me 6 years of power. OK, closer to 4-5 years since power capacity goes down over time during storage, but still, that's pretty good.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 17 April 2016, 13:06:10
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Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.
Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.

Still ridiculously expensive if you ask me.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: rsadek on Sun, 17 April 2016, 23:42:00
Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 03:42:43
Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 18 April 2016, 03:53:30
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Yeah pricing of pfu is really... extreme. Like we'd buy it anyway or so.
Not so much, about $275 + $15 for shipping, an year ago you would pay about $270 for a non type-s HHKB from Ebay.

That's because of the exchange rate...

The key for me is, now that I'm going to have to start taking my keyboard more, how long will it take, if ever, for me to get tired of dealing w/ the cable...

I don't even use a wireless mouse but that's because they lag and the ones that don't aren't worth toting around..
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Frenir on Mon, 18 April 2016, 04:17:49
Exciting stuff!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 04:19:07
I guess if pfu fixed the lagging / jamming of wireless kb at higher wpms they WILL sell like crazy.

I've yet to see a wireless kb that registers alles strokes at high wpms.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:33:41
I guess if pfu fixed the lagging / jamming of wireless kb at higher wpms they WILL sell like crazy.

I've yet to see a wireless kb that registers alles strokes at high wpms.

I don't really know if it'll make a difference to most users..although it might make a difference to Topre users...

But for me personally, that might be the difference between buying it or not...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:49:00
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life. 
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:50:12
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.

Hmmm... if this pairs well with my iPad I'll probably buy one as well.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 18 April 2016, 06:08:00
The batteries might make it a bit heavier - stop it sliding around quite as much.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 06:09:28
The batteries might make it a bit heavier - stop it sliding around quite as much.

Hopefully the new HHKB BT version comes with better rubber grips as well.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 18 April 2016, 06:53:53

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.
For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 07:05:01

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.
For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.

Yeah... I'm thinking about that myself know. Though just for an iPad keyboard this really is expensive lol.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Mon, 18 April 2016, 07:10:00

Sure it juts out a bit, but it will still get further forward than my USB before the cable hits. And it talks to 4 devices! I'm in as soon as Hasu has a mod for it.


Or maybe I'll just order it now b/c I want the sweet sweet wireless.

I'm not sure what all the hype around wireless is anyway? Of course it's personal and different for everybody, but I really do not mind a cable on my desk sticking out of my keyboard.
For me? It's a HHKB keyboard for the iPad. That's the reason for a wireless.

Yeah... I'm thinking about that myself know. Though just for an iPad keyboard this really is expensive lol.

Indeed it is,but if you live by your iPad when traveling it may be worth it.  My pok3r works fine with the Camera lightning adapter but i'd much rather use the HHKB and eliminate the wire at the same time.  I considered the Hasu option but as much as i admire his work the short battery life combined with my lack of trust in putting a cheap battery right underneath the PCB to a very expensive keyboard...this option is more or less ideal for me.  As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 18 April 2016, 08:17:19
As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.
agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL!  :eek:
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 08:18:21
As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.
agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL!  :eek:

Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 18 April 2016, 08:26:51
As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.
agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL!  :eek:

Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.
when you are one with the cup rubber, who cares about the boner at the back? Just enjoy the feeling (opps, wrong quote)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 08:32:45
As long as the reviews are good and the connectivity of the bluetooth is solid i think i know where most of my birthday cash from relatives is going this year.
agree.. if connectivity is stable and the battery life is indeed 3 months as claimed, then I am happy with this board for the iPad .. or even the Mac..  I don't really care if it jut out a bit. When I am looking at the HHKB in front of me, I don't think I can see the back ... so I will just pretend it is not there, LOL!  :eek:

Haha pretending it's not there.. that might work actually! Like with apple's own translucent keyboard.
when you are one with the cup rubber, who cares about the boner at the back? Just enjoy the feeling (opps, wrong quote)

Hehe I see what you did there...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: TopreFan333 on Mon, 18 April 2016, 11:29:03
Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.

The back hump is a little funky looking, but I'm totally on board with AAs -- I use Eneloop rechargables and can just pop new ones in very quickly, vs. waiting for a lithium-ion battery to recharge. Or if I was travelling I could of course buy new batteries anywhere on earth.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 11:48:05
Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.

The back hump is a little funky looking, but I'm totally on board with AAs -- I use Eneloop rechargables and can just pop new ones in very quickly, vs. waiting for a lithium-ion battery to recharge. Or if I was travelling I could of course buy new batteries anywhere on earth.

What would've been REALLY innovative if you ask me, is make a Lithium-ion battery the size of the PCB and maybe 2-3mm thick and stick it UNDER the PCB (like the new MacBook). That should hold enough charge for some keyboarding.

And given how small the PCB's are on Apple laptops (and iPhones), BT technology could've fit EASILY on the PCB that's already there. This really seems clunky, still.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, I think Apple did this battery thing with the new aluminum wireless BT keyboard:

(https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/HgAajRcDdcyTMnmc.huge)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Mon, 18 April 2016, 12:06:14
It isn't really necessary. I have Filco Convertible 2 that powers from 2xAA batteries and its battery life is tremendous - 6 months officialy, but it works for about an year already, under a heavy use (on duracell turbomax batteries).
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 12:14:32
It isn't really necessary. I have Filco Convertible 2 that powers from 2xAA batteries and its battery life is tremendous - 6 months officialy, but it works for about an year already, under a heavy use (on duracell turbomax batteries).

I get what you are saying. But strictly, cup rubber is also not necessary.

Would you prefer built-in batteries (accu like apple's) or bring your own batteries?

That battery life sounds amazing though.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Rad on Mon, 18 April 2016, 18:14:56
The Battery Cartel got 'em by the balls.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 18 April 2016, 18:31:11
They traded away aesthetic for the return of functionality.
How is this objectively bad?

I'm a man who values looks before functionality but even then I have to say that I can approve of this. AA batteries will always be more functional than lithium ion in the event that bulk and weight are of no concern.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 18 April 2016, 19:16:46
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))

AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?   
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Mon, 18 April 2016, 19:27:25
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))

AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?

Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.

Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Mon, 18 April 2016, 19:27:51
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))

AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?

Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.

Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's.  If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 18 April 2016, 20:09:54
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))

AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?

Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.

Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's.  If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.

LiPo may have problems with temperature but honestly, who is going to leave their HHKB out in a hot car or outside in the snow?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 18 April 2016, 20:19:55
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))

AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?

Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.

Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's.  If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.

LiPo may have problems with temperature but honestly, who is going to leave their HHKB out in a hot car or outside in the snow?

It isn't just that, it is replacing it when it is no longer delivering the lifetime it should.  Where would you get it?  How much would that be?  How long would it keep a charge for?

I like the idea of AAs..although LiPO would've given them a greater chance to add it to the current internals of the case...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 18 April 2016, 20:45:09
Hehe, the Amazon links on that site the OP listed are affiliate links. I'm guessing that pfdi-22 is PFU's affiliate link :))

AA cell is an odd choice. Why no use LiPo?

Easier to replace, cheaper to replace...and should they fail unlike a Lipo which would likely be inside the keyboard as opposed to an external bump..the failing AA"s won't damage the keyboard the Lipo most likely will.

Honestly this is one of the biggest things i applauded about the Logitech G602 was the switch to AA's.  If they went with a rechargeable pack i likely would not be as interested as i am now.

LiPo may have problems with temperature but honestly, who is going to leave their HHKB out in a hot car or outside in the snow?

It isn't just that, it is replacing it when it is no longer delivering the lifetime it should.  Where would you get it?  How much would that be?  How long would it keep a charge for?

I like the idea of AAs..although LiPO would've given them a greater chance to add it to the current internals of the case...

There are common LiPo packs in use for Drones/RC stuff but I get where you're coming from. Those Drone LiPo packs are probably too big to fit in a HHKB anyway
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 19 April 2016, 04:35:24
They traded away aesthetic for the return of functionality.
How is this objectively bad?

I'm a man who values looks before functionality but even then I have to say that I can approve of this. AA batteries will always be more functional than lithium ion in the event that bulk and weight are of no concern.

Well... like I've pointed out with the new Apple wireless keyboard, aesthetics didn't need to be traded for functionality. At least that's the way I look at it.

How are AA batteries more functional? A Li-Ion will last longer, you don't have it sticking out, and you don't have to replace the batteries. Saves a lot of hassle if you ask me.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 19 April 2016, 04:45:29
Hmm, this isn't the HHKB update I was hoping for.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Tue, 19 April 2016, 05:27:07
They traded away aesthetic for the return of functionality.
How is this objectively bad?

I'm a man who values looks before functionality but even then I have to say that I can approve of this. AA batteries will always be more functional than lithium ion in the event that bulk and weight are of no concern.

Well... like I've pointed out with the new Apple wireless keyboard, aesthetics didn't need to be traded for functionality. At least that's the way I look at it.

How are AA batteries more functional? A Li-Ion will last longer, you don't have it sticking out, and you don't have to replace the batteries. Saves a lot of hassle if you ask me.

li-Ion will eventually die (and if it does so in a poor fashion it could cause a good amount of damage)  Rechargeable AA's are cheap simple to replace.   When in smaller tech like this i always prefer an easily removable battery source hence as i mentioned earlier loved when Logitech moved the G602 to AA's.  Given when the run time on batteries is so long when you can use 2 AA's i don't see the real advantage of a li-ion.

THe Li-Ion if inside the board could end up damaging it should anything bad happen with the battery

An internal L-ion is much harder to replace then two AA's and whom is to know if they would use a proprietary size/battery cable etc

If it happens to die when i am not near a charging source or i don't have time to connect it and let it sit and charge i can swap out AA's easily on a whim or even buy some should i not have rechargables with me.

Short of a major case redesign i'm not sure they could fit a battery big enough inside the case to provide longer lasting power than 2 AA's can?  I mean panasonic eneloops are 2550 mAh /AA Do they make safe li-ions small enough that could fit inside the case to compete with that these days? 

It's all subjective of course but personally with devices such as this i tend to move toward AA's over rechargeable internal cells.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 19 April 2016, 05:51:15
li-Ion will eventually die (and if it does so in a poor fashion it could cause a good amount of damage)  Rechargeable AA's are cheap simple to replace.   When in smaller tech like this i always prefer an easily removable battery source hence as i mentioned earlier loved when Logitech moved the G602 to AA's.  Given when the run time on batteries is so long when you can use 2 AA's i don't see the real advantage of a li-ion.

THe Li-Ion if inside the board could end up damaging it should anything bad happen with the battery

I can see that. I had the original macbook air and I literally had to throw it away because to top and bottom shell started to separate because the battery was expanding.
Title: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:08:39
So why can they built it like the old Nokia feature phone? Flat Li Ion battery that's easily replaceable.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:18:58
So why can they built it like the old Nokia feature phone? Flat Li Ion battery that's easily replaceable.

I'm thinking... it should be possible to built in custom BT controller with a Li-Ion and just mod a regular HHKB. Such a battery should fit in nicely, there is plenty of room in HHKB case.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: funderburker on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:34:02
A quick question - does AA batteries hold more power or they are just using it more effectively?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:44:20
Depends on the AA cell. Most non-rechargeables are +/- 800 mAh but one could get rechargeables with much more capacity.

PFU is pretty big. I don't see why they couldn't find a producer of a safe battery for tablets or cell phones that would fit the HHKB case. Their customers are obviously well informed of the products, why couldn't they do this and offer a replacement battery on the website?

My thought is AA is the easiest to access without opening the case. I guess PFU hates it when people open the HHKB :confused:
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: funderburker on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:48:01
Depends on the AA cell. Most non-rechargeables are +/- 800 mAh but one could get rechargeables with much more capacity.

PFU is pretty big. I don't see why they couldn't find a producer of a safe battery for tablets or cell phones that would fit the HHKB case. Their customers are obviously well informed of the products, why couldn't they do this and offer a replacement battery on the website?

My thought is AA is the easiest to access without opening the case. I guess PFU hates it when people open the HHKB :confused:

But they could've made a pocket in the case for AA batteries. Or AAA batteries. Well, will never know for sure. Still voting for Hasu to become PFU HHKB team director. :D
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:49:56
Depends on the AA cell. Most non-rechargeables are +/- 800 mAh but one could get rechargeables with much more capacity.

PFU is pretty big. I don't see why they couldn't find a producer of a safe battery for tablets or cell phones that would fit the HHKB case. Their customers are obviously well informed of the products, why couldn't they do this and offer a replacement battery on the website?

My thought is AA is the easiest to access without opening the case. I guess PFU hates it when people open the HHKB :confused:

I really don't understand it either. It seems sloppy. Like typical PC laptop designs.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Tue, 19 April 2016, 11:06:40
Depends on the AA cell. Most non-rechargeables are +/- 800 mAh but one could get rechargeables with much more capacity.

PFU is pretty big. I don't see why they couldn't find a producer of a safe battery for tablets or cell phones that would fit the HHKB case. Their customers are obviously well informed of the products, why couldn't they do this and offer a replacement battery on the website?

My thought is AA is the easiest to access without opening the case. I guess PFU hates it when people open the HHKB :confused:

But they could've made a pocket in the case for AA batteries. Or AAA batteries. Well, will never know for sure. Still voting for Hasu to become PFU HHKB team director. :D

I can't really argue that point, much as i prefer AA or AAA batteries one has to wonder if they could not have incorporated them into the casing a little better.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sat, 23 April 2016, 05:58:32
First review:
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Sat, 23 April 2016, 06:39:22
First review:

Can't wait till some reviews in English come out...especially ones that delve very specifically into how good the bluetooth connection itself is.  Most specifically with iOS hopefully.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sat, 23 April 2016, 07:02:21
Someone speaking japanese could submit subtitles for it: https://www.youtube.com/timedtext_video?ref=player&v=s6BmoR18lfQ
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sat, 23 April 2016, 07:10:16
Here's a text version in japanese http://japanese.engadget.com/2016/04/11/hhkb-happy-hacking-keyboard-profess/

Upd: "HHKB Professional BT" is automatically power if there is no 30-minute character input has become the specifications turned off. The power will turn on the power button long press, but then re-connect automatically to the terminal which has been pairing just before"

Sorry for Google Translate, but it seems that they've used a dedicated wakeup button to switch keyboard on after 30 minutes of inactivity. This is really ****ty. I  bet they didn't change the keyswitch board at all, and it's the same 5V-only power hog TP16834 capsense controller. Hasu could've done the same a long while ago, I already wrote about a separate wakeup button here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg2107950#msg2107950
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 08:34:14
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Sat, 23 April 2016, 09:59:54
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.

That's the Japanese layout as is with the normal JP HHKB layout, i'd venture to guess the American version will look more like the normal HHKB Pro 2 we are used to.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 10:15:14
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.

That's the Japanese layout as is with the normal JP HHKB layout, i'd venture to guess the American version will look more like the normal HHKB Pro 2 we are used to.

Ah, that makes sense. I hope somebody will get the American HHKB and post a review of that.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:06:09
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.

That's the Japanese layout as is with the normal JP HHKB layout, i'd venture to guess the American version will look more like the normal HHKB Pro 2 we are used to.

Ah, that makes sense. I hope somebody will get the American HHKB and post a review of that.

RIP the screens on those devices! He stacked them on top of each other.. oh the humanity :'(

Edit - If the Hasu controller gets an update for the HHKB2 JP layout, I would totally buy that board/controller and open the case up :cool:
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:11:10
Soo... wtf is with those arrow keys cluster and the spacebar? I thought this was a HHKB with HHKB layout?? I must say that the bulge looks less ugly than I anticipated. This looks more like they put a fc660 in a HHKB form factor.

That's the Japanese layout as is with the normal JP HHKB layout, i'd venture to guess the American version will look more like the normal HHKB Pro 2 we are used to.

Ah, that makes sense. I hope somebody will get the American HHKB and post a review of that.

RIP the screens on those devices! He stacked them on top of each other.. oh the humanity :'(

Edit - If the Hasu controller gets an update for the HHKB2 JP layout, I would totally buy that board/controller and open the case up :cool:

I'd probably try that as well. I'm curious if it would be possible to buy a Li-Ion accu for a smartphone or something and hook that up to hasu controller. There should be plenty of room to build that into HHKB.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Mon, 25 April 2016, 00:03:27
Got HHKB from Amazon to the shipping service, supposedly there's one more week till it gets to me. Hasu already got one from the local store, promised to post pics later.

Upd: That "empty space" is actually a large ferrite bead (as you can see there's no USB interface, just USB power supply):

(http://i.imgur.com/EPtsb7U.jpg)

The main board has quite changed. The main controller is ultra-low power MSP430, the bluetooth chip is BCM20730.
Looks like there's no proprietary topre chip (TP16834) anymore. And it still has analog mux, but LW051A instead of HC4051.

(http://i.imgur.com/2ll0Ryg.jpg)

Uses a small 20pin PCB-PCB connector, no more JST-13, no more wires (only a few that go to the batteries).
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 25 April 2016, 02:11:01
Got HHKB from Amazon to the shipping service, supposedly there's one more week till it gets to me. Hasu already got one from the local store, promised to post pics later.

Upd: That "empty space" is actually a large ferrite bead:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EPtsb7U.jpg)


The main board is quite changed. The main controller is ultra-low power MSP430, the bluetooth chip is BCM20730:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2ll0Ryg.jpg)


Uses a small 20pin PCB-PCB connector, no more JST-13, no more wires (only a few that go to the batteries).
awesome shot of the internals.

I'd really like to know, does it sleep after 30 min of inactivity and you need to wake it up by pressing the on switch? Is that really true?!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Mon, 25 April 2016, 04:42:14
Another unboxing (shows that "smart case" that goes to preorderers).
Status LED turns off after a while (as on bluetooth Filco's).
The smartness of the case wasn't really shown.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 05:16:01
Got HHKB from Amazon to the shipping service, supposedly there's one more week till it gets to me. Hasu already got one from the local store, promised to post pics later.

Upd: That "empty space" is actually a large ferrite bead:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EPtsb7U.jpg)


The main board is quite changed. The main controller is ultra-low power MSP430, the bluetooth chip is BCM20730:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2ll0Ryg.jpg)


Uses a small 20pin PCB-PCB connector, no more JST-13, no more wires (only a few that go to the batteries).

Very nice pictures and internals. I'm not a PCB designer, but it looks like they actually put some effort into the design.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 05:19:13
Another unboxing (shows that "smart case" that goes to preorderers).
Status LED turns off after a while (as on bluetooth Filco's).
The smartness of the case wasn't really shown.

Actually, that bulge looks WAY smaller like this. It's also very to the lower end of the board. Don't think I find it that ugly anymore.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 25 April 2016, 05:23:22

Another unboxing (shows that "smart case" that goes to preorderers).
Status LED turns off after a while (as on bluetooth Filco's).
The smartness of the case wasn't really shown.

Actually, that bulge looks WAY smaller like this. It's also very to the lower end of the board. Don't think I find it that ugly anymore.
That's my thought as well. And it looked to be pretty solidly built. My only concern is not aesthetic but whether I need to press the start button to wake the keyboard up.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:18:12
That's my thought as well. And it looked to be pretty solidly built. My only concern is not aesthetic but whether I need to press the start button to wake the keyboard up.

The way I read it, is that you need just to start typing again and it'll establish a connection again real quick.

I am actually thinking of buying this one now.. damm..
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:19:11
Paid for the last mile. Shipping weight is 1095g, dimensions are 34x17x14 cm, probably includes that really smart smart case for the first 1000 of buyers. Paid 3250 JPY for shipping to Europe (EMS, 7 days, fully insured, http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ + http://zenmarket.jp). Now I wait.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:38:07
Paid for the last mile. Shipping weight is 1095g, dimensions are 34x17x14 cm, probably includes that really smart smart case for the first 1000 of buyers. Paid 3250 JPY for shipping to Europe (EMS, 7 days, fully insured, http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ + http://zenmarket.jp). Now I wait.

What is that really smart smart case, seriously?
Title: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:39:37
I think they meant smart as in nice to look at, pleasant to the eye. Not smart as in intelligence.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:50:13
Might be. It was just a google translate after all. Can't even find that page anymore.

Upd: It's there in the description to the unboxing video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Xv88E-oUg). Looks like it's just a cheap cloth pocket:

There are three BT models: PD-KB600B (US layout), PD-KB600BN (US layout, blank keys) and PD-KB620B (JP layout). Mine shown here is the blank one - PD-KB600BN. The fact that the keyboard came with a soft keyboard case -- or "HHKB smart case" as PFU calls it -- confirms I was indeed one of the fastest (≤ 1000th) to preorder the keyboard. There is nothing "smart" about the case by the way; it's just a name.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 07:36:58
Might be. It was just a google translate after all. Can't even find that page anymore.

Upd: It's there in the description to the unboxing video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Xv88E-oUg). Looks like it's just a cheap cloth pocket:

There are three BT models: PD-KB600B (US layout), PD-KB600BN (US layout, blank keys) and PD-KB620B (JP layout). Mine shown here is the blank one - PD-KB600BN. The fact that the keyboard came with a soft keyboard case -- or "HHKB smart case" as PFU calls it -- confirms I was indeed one of the fastest (≤ 1000th) to preorder the keyboard. There is nothing "smart" about the case by the way; it's just a name.

But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Mon, 25 April 2016, 07:43:32
But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?
A cloth sleeve. I coudn't find exact model but it clearly says "BIRD" on the label, looks like there's no PFU branding at all. Looks pretty generic.

(http://i.imgur.com/x44FKN0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/p5AjgV7.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Mon, 25 April 2016, 07:45:11
Actually, that bulge looks WAY smaller like this. It's also very to the lower end of the board. Don't think I find it that ugly anymore.

I must agree. My initial judgement was too harsh on the bulge, now I'm thinking it's no big deal, and would like to get one of these. Ha!  I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 25 April 2016, 09:00:19
But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?
It is in the pictures...It is just a cloth/neoprene cover for the keyboard...Carrying case, sleeve, cache, cover, whatever you want to call it..
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 09:13:37
But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?
A cloth sleeve. I coudn't find exact model but it clearly says "BIRD" on the label, looks like there's no PFU branding at all. Looks pretty generic.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/x44FKN0.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/p5AjgV7.jpg)


Doesn't particularly look like a MUST HAVE or something.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: the_marsbar on Mon, 25 April 2016, 16:18:52
I agree - that is actually quite nice. The PFU marketing guys made a poor choice with the angles of the photos on their website IMO.

If I hadn't recently bought two HHKBs I'd have gotten the BT one instead of my regular black board.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: hasu on Mon, 25 April 2016, 22:05:45
I got it and took some pics of internal.
http://imgur.com/a/YfcYt/all

I'll add info(of internals) in this thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg2152474#msg2152474
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: adhoc on Tue, 26 April 2016, 01:25:21
I got it and took some pics of internal.
http://imgur.com/a/YfcYt/all

I'll add info(of internals) in this thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg2152474#msg2152474

We're getting a better version of bluetooth connectivity than stock confirmed. :D
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 04:51:53
I got it and took some pics of internal.
http://imgur.com/a/YfcYt/all

I'll add info(of internals) in this thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg2152474#msg2152474

Very nice pics of the internals, this looks promising.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Tue, 26 April 2016, 05:35:06
Seems like it sells for 27500 JPY (248 USD) rather than 29700 JPY (267 USD) directly at PFU:
http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/hhkb/detail_hhkb-pro-bt.html "27,500 Ą (excluding tax) (tax-included price: Ą 29,700)"
Does tax always apply?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 06:23:30
Seems like it sells for 27500 JPY (248 USD) rather than 29700 JPY (267 USD) directly at PFU:
http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/hhkb/detail_hhkb-pro-bt.html "27,500 Ą (excluding tax) (tax-included price: Ą 29,700)"
Does tax always apply?

Do they ship to Europe directly?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: adhoc on Tue, 26 April 2016, 08:55:55
Is there a usb dongle with bluetooth receiver included, or do you have to have a bluetooth receiver already available on your device?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: TopreFan333 on Tue, 26 April 2016, 11:08:21
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.

Same here -- I'd happily make this upgrade if it turns out to be usable.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 26 April 2016, 11:41:02
I'll be interested to see what people think.  I've been debating getting the hasu controller, this may change things.

But what IS a soft keyboard case? How does it differ from the regular keyboard? I'm confused... is it the keyboard case ITSELF or is it a carrying cloth bag?
A cloth sleeve. I coudn't find exact model but it clearly says "BIRD" on the label, looks like there's no PFU branding at all. Looks pretty generic.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/x44FKN0.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/p5AjgV7.jpg)


Bird makes wrist rests, some of which are HHKB sized., probably the same company.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Tue, 26 April 2016, 12:04:41
Found it in the Bird Electron facebook feed.

https://www.facebook.com/BIRDELECTRON/photos/a.168546086530891.49368.168542443197922/1118139348238222/?type=3

(http://i.imgur.com/DBrDukt.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 12:06:20
Found it in the Bird Electron facebook feed.

https://www.facebook.com/BIRDELECTRON/photos/a.168546086530891.49368.168542443197922/1118139348238222/?type=3

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/DBrDukt.jpg)


Doesn't look too bad but doesn't look particularly pretty either. Reminds me of the cr*p you usually get with motherboards that you eventually end up never using.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: hasu on Tue, 26 April 2016, 17:00:23
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.

Same here -- I'd happily make this upgrade if it turns out to be usable!

I can't perceive any latency and weird on typing and connection, no problem at all. Its case and controller are completely new designed and not compatible with Pro2 anymore, but just like Pro2 in terms of typing, no surprise and no disappointment.

As a bonus its rubber feet are way better than Pro2's :D  And battery compartment is not seeable when typing luckily :p
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 26 April 2016, 18:41:17
hasu, what about waking up from inactivity? Do you need to press the On button to wake it up? Does the Bluetooth goes to sleep?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: demik on Tue, 26 April 2016, 18:45:14
whats the price on one of them?

i dont need another keyboard but if it's an hhkb...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 26 April 2016, 19:11:41
hasu, what about waking up from inactivity? Do you need to press the On button to wake it up? Does the Bluetooth goes to sleep?

Nvm, hasu answered it in another thread. There is a dip switch to make the HHKB never to sleep. By default it sleeps after 30 min of inactivity and the only way to wake it up is via the power button.

This is brilliant to me. I want a keyboard to not sleep.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 19:14:37
hasu, what about waking up from inactivity? Do you need to press the On button to wake it up? Does the Bluetooth goes to sleep?

Nvm, hasu answered it in another thread. There is a dip switch to make the HHKB never to sleep. By default it sleeps after 30 min of inactivity and the only way to wake it up is via the power button.

This is brilliant to me. I want a keyboard to not sleep.

Good to know. What is this "other thread"?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 26 April 2016, 19:33:46
@iLLucionist https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg2153391#msg2153391
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 27 April 2016, 11:01:21
Another new video:
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Macsmasher on Thu, 28 April 2016, 15:40:44
hasu, what about waking up from inactivity? Do you need to press the On button to wake it up? Does the Bluetooth goes to sleep?

Nvm, hasu answered it in another thread. There is a dip switch to make the HHKB never to sleep. By default it sleeps after 30 min of inactivity and the only way to wake it up is via the power button.

This is brilliant to me. I want a keyboard to not sleep.


I wonder how long the batteries will last in the 'always on' mode.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: skeaono on Sun, 01 May 2016, 08:13:10
Apparently I'm the weird one here, AA battery and MicroUSB just sold me on this. Now I'm patiently waiting for a package from Tenso.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sun, 01 May 2016, 13:58:25
Yeah. Death to MiniUSB! That MicroUSB isn't really USB though, just a reserve power, there is only two wires:
(http://i.imgur.com/WdXRlbL.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: kekman on Sun, 01 May 2016, 20:34:46
Yeah. Death to MiniUSB! That MicroUSB isn't really USB though, just a reserve power, there is only two wires:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/WdXRlbL.jpg?1)


death to all usb, bring back the telephone cable ps2 cable from the model m :v
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Tue, 03 May 2016, 13:23:35
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.

Same here -- I'd happily make this upgrade if it turns out to be usable!

I can't perceive any latency and weird on typing and connection, no problem at all. Its case and controller are completely new designed and not compatible with Pro2 anymore, but just like Pro2 in terms of typing, no surprise and no disappointment.

As a bonus its rubber feet are way better than Pro2's :D  And battery compartment is not seeable when typing luckily :p

Thanks for your initial observations.

I am still hoping for additional impressions from the early adopters here. This keyboard is really tempting me.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: TopreFan333 on Tue, 03 May 2016, 19:03:31
I'll await further testimonials as to how good the BT works with regards to latency and connecting, staying connected, and reconnecting after going to sleep.

Same here -- I'd happily make this upgrade if it turns out to be usable!

I can't perceive any latency and weird on typing and connection, no problem at all. Its case and controller are completely new designed and not compatible with Pro2 anymore, but just like Pro2 in terms of typing, no surprise and no disappointment.

As a bonus its rubber feet are way better than Pro2's :D  And battery compartment is not seeable when typing luckily :p

My wallet weeps at this news.

Though, realistically, I'd imagine I could offset much of the price by selling:
- my current HHKB (black body and very lightly used black keys I took off almost immediately to use white ones)
- an unused set of black keys from the bluetooth one
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 03 May 2016, 19:15:27
Apparently I'm the weird one here, AA battery and MicroUSB just sold me on this. Now I'm patiently waiting for a package from Tenso.

Seems to me that more than a few people are content with the AA battery compartment. This has both surprised me and intrigued me for sure
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 04 May 2016, 01:47:07
Got it today (ANSI with legends, black on black). First impression - it's ****ing huge and heavy (with the batteries), it's not comfortable to hold in one hand anymore due to the battery compartment. Comes with 2xAA Fujutsu batteries, didn't use them, installed a couple of my own Duracell Turbo Max. Battery cover doesn't seem very sturdy, probaby the first thing that will break and fall off if you drop the keyboard. MicroUSB has soft rubbery cover as on digital cameras. Came with that Smart Case from BIRD Electronics, ought to be just a dirt cheap neoprene bag without any Smart features. Rear button is just a push button as on most bluetooth peripherals; you hold it for about a second to turn the keyboard on and for about 3 seconds to turn the keyboard off. LED (red/orange/blue) turns off right after pairing and doesn't even blink afterwards, which is great (I hate LEDs on bluetooth devices). Pairing requires random 8-digit pin code that you have to type from the keyboard itself and press its own Enter (as on Filco Convertible 2).
Can't really add something else to what hasu posted so here are his pics http://imgur.com/a/YfcYt Internals are NOT interchangeable at all, totally different controllers and connectors.

Upd: some SBS comparison (angle is kind of too wide but believe me, that battery compartment is huge, it's about 2x1.5 cm, keys stick out differently because pro 2 is dentalbanded and because I squeezed keyboards together, cases seem entirely different so you wouldn't be able to switch the top covers, HHKB BT seems generally less rectangular). The whole album is here http://imgur.com/a/YYAOv
(http://i.imgur.com/fgrZGvk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UZFMTjc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/s71LW6O.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QxKablX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UWiWXeh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bY58G9U.jpg)

It says  "Thank you for ordering a pfu hhkb bt. We have listened to the customer's opinions about wanting a bluetooth model. The included smart case is a first 1000 preorder exclusive. Please give your product a lot of love!"
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: the_marsbar on Wed, 04 May 2016, 03:37:37
Great, thanks for the pics. Would you think it might be possible to put the internals of the BT inside a regular Pro 2? I'm thinking it should be possible.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: adhoc on Wed, 04 May 2016, 03:47:17
Does it come with a usb dongle or does your device already have to have bluetooth capabilities?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 04 May 2016, 03:53:25
Does it come with a usb dongle or does your device already have to have bluetooth capabilities?
Ofc there's no usb dongle but it's bt 3.0 (bcm20730) so it will work with every piece of **** outdated bluetooth device on the planet.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 04 May 2016, 03:58:44
Great, thanks for the pics. Would you think it might be possible to put the internals of the BT inside a regular Pro 2? I'm thinking it should be possible.

I don't see how that would be possible, judging by the pictures PSU made a larger case for the BT to accommodate the extras. I could be wrong though
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: adhoc on Wed, 04 May 2016, 04:09:57
Does it come with a usb dongle or does your device already have to have bluetooth capabilities?
Ofc there's no usb dongle but it's bt 3.0 (bcm20730) so it will work with every piece of **** outdated bluetooth device on the planet.

Thanks for the answer. So for those of us on desktop we need to buy a bluetooth stick as well :/
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 04 May 2016, 04:26:00
Great, thanks for the pics. Would you think it might be possible to put the internals of the BT inside a regular Pro 2? I'm thinking it should be possible.
Here are the pics:
(http://i.imgur.com/CTMZOoO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hXuBCdT.jpg)

Sorry it's rotated on the pic, but well, looks like keyswitch boards match. So yeah apparently it's possible. But I'm not sure, haven't tried yet (it would need unscrewing 18 screws, to me it's fine as is). Maybe Hasu. Or maybe when I'd feel the urge to dentalband it (I don't really want to do that now, but it rattles as a mother****er, same as a stock Pro 2). Controllers are entirely different though, and probably different voltage. It's not that ugly to ***** about it, but yeah, there's no white or Type-S HHKB BT (yet?).

Upd: long story short - you can't put HHKB BT internals into a HHKB Pro 2 case without damaging it (I'll post pics later). Sorry for raining on your parade. You'd either need an extender cable for the bluetooth board or cut part of the left leg compartment off. Also the keyswitch board blocks the top left screw and there's a few plastic stems (at least 2 long ones at the top and 1 at the top left screw) that you'd have to cut off, irreversibly damaging the case.

Upd2: more pics - you have to cut off a few plastic stems and probably use an extension 20 pin cable because bluetooth board interferes with the left stand (you probably won't cut the case so much, all I've done is pretty innocent. Warning! Gore!).

(http://i.imgur.com/AcRZKay.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hYrylMD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dQ2jgvz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/eCiIvVm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DQWU8w3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/owfbHZG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0ndzYBI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Kcl99T9.jpg)

TL;DR: I wasn't able to swap cases, it needs a lot of carving (more than I can allow in order to sell the HHKB Pro 2 afterwards). Maybe it's possible with a flat 20 pin extension cord to move the bluetooth board out of the way (you can actually close the case if you move those boards a bit here and there. Not sure about the battery though, probably you could find a place for a small Li-Po battery (it's not that notorious power hog anymore) and a tiny charger board. There's no place for 2xAA, that's for sure.

P.S. That hump with batteries is actually removable, so one could probably mold another, a more pleasant one. The shape is pretty complicated though.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: the_marsbar on Wed, 04 May 2016, 10:48:36
Thanks for the great info :) It's especially great that the battery compartment is removable. Modifying that somehow would be much better than switching cases IMO.

I really feel like buying one, had I just known it before I bought my black Pro 2. Three HHKBs might be a bit over the top...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 04 May 2016, 11:34:31
Dentalbanded, blank caps and Red/Blue Ctrl/Esc set (not included). Beauty shot (check out dat ass!):
(http://i.imgur.com/Yjwfa4h.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: LunarisDream on Wed, 04 May 2016, 16:52:38
High five, Joric
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: demik on Wed, 04 May 2016, 18:23:08
battery pack looks like a tumor
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 04 May 2016, 18:45:48
(https://i.imgflip.com/13lxd6.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 05 May 2016, 01:22:01
Regarding that wake up button and 30-minute inactivity - I left the keyboard overnight with the dip switch set to "Wake Up Enable: ON" and it woke up with the first keystroke. I guess I should use "Wake Up Enable: OFF" in order to save the battery.

Upd: Yep, with "Wake Up Enable: OFF" it completely turns off and needs a button. This is cool (well, it's battery friendly, that's for sure).
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Trev on Thu, 05 May 2016, 01:28:11
Will a keystroke not typically wake it up? Is this thing really that old-school?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 05 May 2016, 04:51:49
It's Topre, capacitive switches, they always draw power - no matter what, so PFU has added an option to wake up from a physical (passive) button.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Trev on Thu, 05 May 2016, 04:57:43
Ah, of course. Anyone checked if it's still 5V or have they gone lower?

I'd be curious to see how long it can last for in the never-sleep mode.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 05 May 2016, 05:03:16
battery pack looks like a tumor

this and the curvy side

why pfu why?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Trev on Thu, 05 May 2016, 05:08:17
Because they're stuck in 2004. I hate their design lazyness and how much they're charging for the privilege, but I still want one. Hopefully we'll see a mod to remove the hump and use a flat LiPo internally instead.  :)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: hasu on Thu, 05 May 2016, 05:26:17
Ah, of course. Anyone checked if it's still 5V or have they gone lower?

I'd be curious to see how long it can last for in the never-sleep mode.
It drives all of components and switches with 3V.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 05 May 2016, 05:47:34
When typing fast, do you notice a lag?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 05 May 2016, 05:52:54
No there's no noticeable lag on those devices, I guess it's some kind of urban legend. Or maybe I'm just not typing fast enough.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 05 May 2016, 10:19:02
No there's no noticeable lag on those devices, I guess it's some kind of urban legend. Or maybe I'm just not typing fast enough.
I feel lag when using the Apple Magic Trackpad on a Mac. I haven't tried a Bluetooth keyboard but I'd imagine the lag is due to the communications over Bluetooth. So it's not exactly a urban legend.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: TopreFan333 on Thu, 05 May 2016, 11:25:56
I've used bluetooth mice and that same Apple trackpad (not the current version, but the previous one), and used to use an Apple Bluetooth keyboard (before I became enlightened enough to use my HHKB) and have never noticed any discernable lag. I'm not counting the initial tiny blip of unresponsiveness you might get when the device has been unused for a while.

Then again, I top out at maybe 80 wpm, so I'm not sure if typing lag kicks in above some super high threshold or what. Also, I don't really game, so some tiny amount of mouse lag would probably not affect me as much as some super twitchy gamer type...

Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: MJ45 on Thu, 05 May 2016, 14:31:17
No there's no noticeable lag on those devices, I guess it's some kind of urban legend. Or maybe I'm just not typing fast enough.
Although it has no noticeable lag the Apple wireless keyboard only has as little as 2kro to 6kro, depending on the combination of keys pressed. A stock HHKB 2 PRO or Realforce have 6kro, with Hasu's HHKB Alt controller nkro is possible over USB - 6kro with Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sat, 07 May 2016, 06:13:15
It's especially great that the battery compartment is removable. Modifying that somehow would be much better than switching cases IMO.

It's not that removable, well it's mounted with a couple of screws - but if you remove it, the board with the button sticks out for about 1.5 cm, you'd have to saw it off.

(http://i.imgur.com/o2jCx9h.jpg)

Upd: it's not that bad, actually, but it still sticks out. There are 4 glue strips but it's pretty easy to remove (you'd have to pick up latches and push it inwards). Without the batery compartment there could be a place for a small Li-Po battery but you won't be able to put 2xAAAs there, the bluetooth board occupies a lot of space.

(http://i.imgur.com/DIYIxdw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YFATwt8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dBXRtAl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YzEd5r2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0XlovUo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CKmeOy7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cMJISeP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ng5AkBR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RaVX0OU.jpg)

Added more pics here http://imgur.com/a/YYAOv
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Enz0man on Sat, 07 May 2016, 15:05:52
Just realized i replied to the wrong thread :/

Great first post...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 07 May 2016, 20:01:36
I'll buy one, see if I can modify the design to not have the bulge. If it doesn't work, oh well; the bulge isn't actually that bad.
If I destroy the thing, then that's an issue.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: MrRooks on Sat, 07 May 2016, 23:34:12
The bulge doesn't look too bad, nice tear down.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 08 May 2016, 00:31:58
Did we find where we can buy one?  Can confirm no stock in Tokyo or Kyoto as of this week.  Are you guys buying on Amazon.jp and or using a proxy?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: hasu on Sun, 08 May 2016, 01:04:30
Did we find where we can buy one?  Can confirm no stock in Tokyo or Kyoto as of this week.  Are you guys buying on Amazon.jp and or using a proxy?
I don't think you can find it at street shop. It is available only at online; Amazon or rakuten.

Amazon can ship to your hotel in a day or two if you are staying in Japan probably.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:28:10
Amazon.jp - choose your model here http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/ and http://zenmarket.jp
Shipping took just about a week and $20. Shipping weight is about 1100g (PFU ships in a large box). Cheers!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sun, 08 May 2016, 10:04:23
I've had good experiences with Smart Imports, they ship direct to USA. That's where I got my HHKB JIS Type-S.

They seem to have one version of the HHKB BT in stock:

http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/

Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Sun, 08 May 2016, 11:03:34
They seem to have one version of the HHKB BT in stock:
http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/
Just tried that, they sell keyboard that costs about $277 (29700 JPY) for $319.00 WITHOUT shipping, shipping to US will cost either Airmail (Uninsured - 7 to 10 days) $18.50 or Insured EMS Express $26.00. So insured delivery would cost $345.00, almost +$70. I say f*** them.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sun, 08 May 2016, 20:38:26
They seem to have one version of the HHKB BT in stock:
http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/
Just tried that, they sell keyboard that costs about $277 (29700 JPY) for $319.00 WITHOUT shipping, shipping to US will cost either Airmail (Uninsured - 7 to 10 days) $18.50 or Insured EMS Express $26.00. So insured delivery would cost $345.00, almost +$70. I say f*** them.

That does sound pretty costly, but I don't know what to compare the $345 to. What is the alternative to get this to a US address to compare it to?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Mon, 09 May 2016, 01:24:08
That does sound pretty costly, but I don't know what to compare the $345 to. What is the alternative to get this to a US address to compare it to?
Shipping price looks pretty much the same but http://zenmarket.jp charges just $2.78 (300 JPY) for handling, while SmartImports charges about $42. The cheapest would be 31590 JPY: 29700 JPY for the keyboard on Amazon, 300 JPY zenmarket fee, 1590 JPY for shipping (1100g, SAL, Small Packet, 18 days to US) - $293 overall (just $17 for all the shipping and handling). Insured EMS (7 days) will cost $10 more.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Mon, 09 May 2016, 07:16:06
That does sound pretty costly, but I don't know what to compare the $345 to. What is the alternative to get this to a US address to compare it to?
Shipping price looks pretty much the same but http://zenmarket.jp charges just $2.78 (300 JPY) for handling, while SmartImports charges about $42. The cheapest would be 31590 JPY: 29700 JPY for the keyboard on Amazon, 300 JPY zenmarket fee, 1590 JPY for shipping (1100g, SAL, Small Packet, 18 days to US) - $293 overall (just $17 for all the shipping and handling). Insured EMS (7 days) will cost $10 more.

Cool, thanks for this info, very helpful. I am definitely saving up up to get one one and I'm sort of a noob when it comes to shopping this way.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 12 May 2016, 17:36:53
From the deskthority thread: BT HHKB vs classic HHKB  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/sTUkObX.jpg) (https://deskthority.net/post301425.html#p301425)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: gohono3 on Thu, 12 May 2016, 17:52:26
From the deskthority thread: BT HHKB vs classic HHKB  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/sTUkObX.jpg) (https://deskthority.net/post301425.html#p301425)

Get that photo of Kim Kardashian shooting champagne over her head onto her booty, thats the BT HHKB, it has a complicated juicy nature
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Fri, 13 May 2016, 12:26:55
Almost forgot. Media keys (fn + a/s/d/f) now work! They didn't work on Windows with Pro 2. But there's no autorepeat, so you have to press it like 20 times to turn volume up or down. This is not even funny.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Moistgun on Fri, 13 May 2016, 13:09:34
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.

Is lightning to female usb ---> male usb to male micro usb an option with an Ipad?

I know I can do it with my android devices and KBs.

I know the cable is out there for lightning to usb, but don't know if Ipad is capable or not.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Fri, 13 May 2016, 19:52:10
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.

Is lightning to female usb ---> male usb to male micro usb an option with an Ipad?

I know I can do it with my android devices and KBs.

I know the cable is out there for lightning to usb, but don't know if Ipad is capable or not.

If I am understanding your question, the answer is yes. I use the following adaptor to use my HHKB, RealForce, IBM Model M, Avant Stellar, and Unicomp keyboard with my iPad, no problem:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter?fnode=91

Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 18 May 2016, 06:18:51
Good lord, the alt. controller for this keyboard is already up on skiwithpete's website :eek:
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: trizkut on Wed, 18 May 2016, 06:48:33
Good lord, the alt. controller for this keyboard is already up on skiwithpete's website :eek:

No, it isn't.

Quote
This controller, created by Hasu, is a replacement controller that turns your HHKB Pro2 mechanical keyboard into a fully Bluetooth programmable keyboard.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 18 May 2016, 07:03:02
Good lord, the alt. controller for this keyboard is already up on skiwithpete's website :eek:

No, it isn't.

Quote
This controller, created by Hasu, is a replacement controller that turns your HHKB Pro2 mechanical keyboard into a fully Bluetooth programmable keyboard.

Sorry about that, I hope I didn't offend anyone :-[

I was peaking at the non-bluetooth controller to see if it has the two extra usb connections (it does not) and only glanced at the controller with bluetooth support.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 18 May 2016, 07:43:07
Made another, somewhat more understandable picture:

(http://i.imgur.com/299y1Z2.jpg)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: sonano on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:58:40
Anyone had issues with bluetooth connectivity on this board?

Mine was working fine for 2 weeks, then started being unresponsive when trying to reconnect to an already paired device. Tried deleting the pairings from the devices and on the HHKB using Fn+Z+Del. But none of my devices can detect the HHKB BT anymore even in Fn+Q pairing mode.

I did disassemble the keyboard a few times, but I checked all the internal connections and they should be fine. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Wed, 18 May 2016, 13:08:12
Whoa. Mine's still working. There are problems with already connected devices though (like randomly disconnecting BT headphones), and sometimes BT devices won't connect unless I turn HHKB BT off. Also it occasionally freezes for a few seconds and reconnects (same with Filco Conv2, it can repeat the last entered key like 100 times, luckily it didn't happen with the del key yet - I guess it's their BCM20730 chip in general). Tried 7260HMW and BCM94352HMB on the laptop - the problem still persists. Hasu controller doesn't have those issues.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 20 May 2016, 04:36:14
Anyone knows if the BT will switch off by itself when inactive or do we have to keep turning it off ourself?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: sonano on Fri, 20 May 2016, 05:00:43
Anyone knows if the BT will switch off by itself when inactive or do we have to keep turning it off ourself?

It will switch off by itself after 30 minutes of inactivity if DIP switch 6 is off (Wake Up Disable). Otherwise with DIP switch 6 on (Wake Up Enable) it will stay awake until you turn it off manually.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Fri, 20 May 2016, 05:02:40
Anyone knows if the BT will switch off by itself when inactive or do we have to keep turning it off ourself?
I use it for a few weeks. It completely switches off after 30 minutes if you set DIP switch to Wake Up Enable: OFF so you have to wake it up with a button. It also switches off with that switch setting when the host shuts down even for a few seconds (i.e. after reboot you'd have to press the button again). If you set Wake Up Enable: ON then it will never switch off (i.e. I left it for the night and it woke up after the first keystroke). Power consumption when wake up is off is much smaller comparing with when the wake up is on.

It's all there http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/feature.html sorry for google translate:

Note : In the case of Wake Up Disable, when the key input was not 30 minutes, you will automatically OFF mode. In the case of Wake Up Enable, does not become automatically OFF mode be followed there is no key input state. Battery consumption is faster compared to the Wake Up Disable. If you are powered by USB micro-B cable is the Wake Up Enable regardless of this setting. To reconnect to the case which has been cut from the connected device, please press the key or the power switch.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 20 May 2016, 05:16:46
Anyone knows if the BT will switch off by itself when inactive or do we have to keep turning it off ourself?
I use it for a few weeks. It completely switches off after 30 minutes if you set DIP switch to Wake Up Enable: OFF so you have to wake it up with a button. It also switches off with that switch setting when the host shuts down even for a few seconds (i.e. after reboot you'd have to press the button again). If you set Wake Up Enable: ON then it will never switch off (i.e. I left it for the night and it woke up after the first keystroke). Power consumption when wake up is off is much smaller comparing with when the wake up is on.

It's all there http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/feature.html sorry for google translate:

Note : In the case of Wake Up Disable, when the key input was not 30 minutes, you will automatically OFF mode. In the case of Wake Up Enable, does not become automatically OFF mode be followed there is no key input state. Battery consumption is faster compared to the Wake Up Disable. If you are powered by USB micro-B cable is the Wake Up Enable regardless of this setting. To reconnect to the case which has been cut from the connected device, please press the key or the power switch.

Nice thanks for the answer!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: mteinum on Sat, 21 May 2016, 03:24:43
Another one :)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/26540463233_32c8c4ee41_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GrhP4F)
HHKB BT (https://flic.kr/p/GrhP4F) by Morten Teinum (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mortenteinum/), on Flickr

The extra rubber feets are great when positioned on top of the macbook.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sat, 21 May 2016, 19:07:58
Those are some great pictures, mteinum! Very classy.
Title: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: raymogi on Thu, 26 May 2016, 03:11:38
My BT is suddenly not turning on. I don't think it's the battery since I haven't used it much. Gonna try new battery soon.

Feeling scared here...

edit: put on some new batteries and the BT still won't turn on. All I did prior to this was switching dip 2 to ON for the Mac mode. I was able to pair it my iPad Pro before that (dip 3 on from the start). Can't test with micro usb cable cause I only have my iPad here and Imdidn't bring the Apple connector thingy.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: skeaono on Fri, 27 May 2016, 03:05:10
Anyone else experienced massive battery drain? My eneloops only last about a week with SW6 set to off.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 27 May 2016, 03:54:12
Hmm, I thought it is supposed to last 30 days!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Fri, 27 May 2016, 07:01:00
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: skeaono on Fri, 27 May 2016, 08:08:05
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.
I'm not sure if you are being serious.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: skeaono on Fri, 27 May 2016, 10:55:58
Hmm, I thought it is supposed to last 30 days!
3 months with alkalines, according to PFU, not sure about Ni-mh though.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:15:46
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.
I'm not sure if you are being serious.

I am dead serious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-discharge ...  Li-ion absorb the least amount of self-discharge (around 2% to 3% discharge per month) than lead-acid at 4% to 6%, while nickel-based batteries are more seriously affected by the phenomenon (NiCad, 15% to 20%; NiMH, 30%). Primary batteries, which aren't designed for recharging between manufacturing and use, have much lower self-discharge rates, with shelf lives of 2 to 3 years for zinc–carbon batteries, 5 years for alkaline

You're trying to use high-current high self-discharge Ni-Mh accumulators in a device that needs super-small current and low self-discharge batteries, such as alkaline.

Speaking about capacity, AA batteries have a capacity over 2,500 mAh that effectively makes 2xAA a replacement for 2500 mAh 3V Li-Po battery, while Ni-Mh have real measured capacities in a range of 1200 to 1900 mAh.

Use those eneloopes for the camera, for the keyboard you should use good alcalines like Duracell Turbo Max. My Filco with the same chip (BCM27030) lives on those for more than an year (with 6 months official battery life). I assume HHKB BT, declared 3 months, would work for 6+ months on turbomax alcalines. I personally use it since it came out, for more than a month already.

There are even better, Lithium AA like GP Lithium but they're pretty pricey.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: skeaono on Fri, 27 May 2016, 21:24:27
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.
I'm not sure if you are being serious.

I am dead serious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-discharge ...  Li-ion absorb the least amount of self-discharge (around 2% to 3% discharge per month) than lead-acid at 4% to 6%, while nickel-based batteries are more seriously affected by the phenomenon (NiCad, 15% to 20%; NiMH, 30%). Primary batteries, which aren't designed for recharging between manufacturing and use, have much lower self-discharge rates, with shelf lives of 2 to 3 years for zinc–carbon batteries, 5 years for alkaline

You're trying to use high-current high self-discharge Ni-Mh accumulators in a device that needs super-small current and low self-discharge batteries, such as alkaline.

Speaking about capacity, AA batteries have a capacity over 2,500 mAh that effectively makes 2xAA a replacement for 2500 mAh 3V Li-Po battery, while Ni-Mh have real measured capacities in a range of 1200 to 1900 mAh.

Use those eneloopes for the camera, for the keyboard you should use good alcalines like Duracell Turbo Max. My Filco with the same chip (BCM27030) lives on those for more than an year (with 6 months official battery life). I assume HHKB BT, declared 3 months, would work for 6+ months on turbomax alcalines. I personally use it since it came out, for more than a month already.

There are even better, Lithium AA like GP Lithium but they're pretty pricey.
Are you even talking about Eneloop?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneloop
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: TopreFan333 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 15:16:40
Lol, eneloops. Ni-Mh have tremendous self-discharge they probably will be dead in a week just lying on the table. Use alcaline batteries, dude. They don't self-discharge and have a combined capacity much larger than even a Li-Po battery.

This smells like BS to me. I use eneloops exclusively and they're definitely not "dead in a week just lying on the table". I store them charged and they work when I pick them up. I get at least a month's use out of a pair in my wireless trackpad, and have some that have seen daily use in remotes for a year. And when they run out, I swap them out with a charged pair. And even if your claim of alkaline batteries having more capacity was true, it's kind of a jerk move to toss disposables habitually into landfill just because you find them slightly more convenient. Oh no! I had to pull the batteries out of my bluetooth keyboard a little earlier than I'd like! Maybe I'll just buy disposable batteries instead that will sit in a landfill forever.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 02 June 2016, 04:00:51
Well, let's find out if they really die in a week.

(http://i.imgur.com/wNsd2N4.jpg)

Upd: Long story short: they didn't.
Upd: They've died after about a month. Really weird, I barely used the keyboard it just laid there, totally switched off. Self-discharge, I guess. Still Ni-Mh.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: rpeterclark on Thu, 02 June 2016, 06:29:45
Anecdotally, Eneloops power my Xbox One controllers for months between charges...
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 03 June 2016, 21:36:57
Eneloop batteries aside, any other impressions after using for a month or more? Would you recommend this to your friends?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Fri, 03 June 2016, 23:04:50
Eneloop batteries aside, any other impressions after using for a month or more? Would you recommend this to your friends?
I don't know what's wrong with BCM20730 or with my computer but all my keyboards with this 3.0 bluetooth chip (e.g. Filco Majestouch Convertible 2) prone to stuttering, disconnecting and reconnecting like every 1000 chars (very often the keyup event is not fired so the last keypress repeats like 20-50 times, very nasty, especially if it disconnects on Del). I bought 5 or 6 different Wifi/Bluetooth combo cards but it's all the same. So yeah, for occasional typing it's fine, but professionally those keyboards are pretty much unusable. Other than that, it's a regular HHKB Pro 2. With a hump.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: KetchyKech on Fri, 03 June 2016, 23:27:58
waiting for the white to come out  :-*
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 03 June 2016, 23:28:36
did you have a chance to try it in a Mac or iPad? I hope their Bluetooth is better implemented than those Bluetooth cards or dongle you are referring to.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Fri, 03 June 2016, 23:52:00
did you have a chance to try it in a Mac or iPad? I hope their Bluetooth is better implemented than those Bluetooth cards or dongle you are referring to.
Nope. Maybe I will upgrade later (I'm still using 3 y/o Asus laptop with an SSD drive). Got Filco roughly 1.5 years ago and the problem persisted on Win7/Win8/Win10. Cards were BCM94352HMB, RTL8821AE, 7260HMW and a bunch of older (802.11n + BT 4.0) ones. Power management switched off. Hasu controller doesn't have this issue.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: raymogi on Sat, 04 June 2016, 00:19:09
did you have a chance to try it in a Mac or iPad? I hope their Bluetooth is better implemented than those Bluetooth cards or dongle you are referring to.

I tried it on Mac and it works really good. Then I tried it on my iPad Pro. Connects fine the first time then it broke. Can't even turn it on anymore. Replace batteries and even tried to connect with USB and nothing works.

Maybe it's just a faulty one that I received. I'm getting a new one already.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 04 June 2016, 01:11:36
hmmm probably a lemon, Ray... But still a scary thoughts that something so expensive didn’t have stringent QA.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: raymogi on Sat, 04 June 2016, 01:54:16
Yea what makes me sad is I only had it for 1 week and I've developed a true feeling for it lol.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: atlas3686 on Tue, 07 June 2016, 05:36:44
did you have a chance to try it in a Mac or iPad? I hope their Bluetooth is better implemented than those Bluetooth cards or dongle you are referring to.

I tried it on Mac and it works really good. Then I tried it on my iPad Pro. Connects fine the first time then it broke. Can't even turn it on anymore. Replace batteries and even tried to connect with USB and nothing works.

Maybe it's just a faulty one that I received. I'm getting a new one already.

That is terrifying :( Sorry that happened to you raymogi :'( Keen to get one but can't risk ordering and then having to send it back across the world.... As you say I expect better QA on a product like this.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 07 June 2016, 21:18:51
That really blows. I would like to think that PFU checks the stock before shipping it out. :(
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: TopreFan333 on Tue, 14 June 2016, 18:41:55
Anybody know if Elite Keyboards is planning to stock these?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Marshal on Wed, 15 June 2016, 21:53:31
Anybody know if Elite Keyboards is planning to stock these?

I would like to know as well or if I should just go with Hasu's BT Controller
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 16 June 2016, 03:23:13
Anybody know if Elite Keyboards is planning to stock these?

I would like to know as well or if I should just go with Hasu's BT Controller
Actually it would cost much cheaper if you buy it directly from amazon.jp via shipping service like tenso.
Amazon.jp link to HHKB BT: http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ it costs 29700 JPY (~$285)
Someone already stockpiles them in US and sells them for $319 (+$34 to the price), not considering shipping.
http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/

TL;DR:

HHKB BT originally costs 29700 JPY ($285)

http://zenmarket.jp charges just $18 for all the shipping and handling (1100g), $303 overall. I bought there.
Smartimports sells for $319.00 WITHOUT shipping + $26.00 for EMS, $345.00 overall, you're overpaying $42.



Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Marshal on Thu, 16 June 2016, 12:12:11
Anybody know if Elite Keyboards is planning to stock these?

I would like to know as well or if I should just go with Hasu's BT Controller
Actually it would cost much cheaper if you buy it directly from amazon.jp via shipping service like tenso.
Amazon.jp link to HHKB BT: http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/ it costs 29700 JPY (~$285)
Someone already stockpiles them in US and sells them for $319 (+$34 to the price), not considering shipping.
http://www.smartimports.net/pfu-happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-bt-bluetooth/

TL;DR:

HHKB BT originally costs 29700 JPY ($285)

http://zenmarket.jp charges just $18 for all the shipping and handling (1100g), $303 overall. I bought there.
Smartimports sells for $319.00 WITHOUT shipping + $26.00 for EMS, $345.00 overall, you're overpaying $42.

Hey thanks! This was super informative and I've been trying to figure out a way to get it :)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sat, 18 June 2016, 08:42:09
Not that it matters, but smartimports.net is just some guys living in Japan selling Japanese stuff to people who appreciate it - their stuff ships from Japan. I've bought some stuff through them and they were very responsive and overall competent sellers. That being said, if I was ready to get an HHKB bt I'd probably go the zenimiports route since the price difference is significant.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: TopreFan333 on Thu, 04 August 2016, 10:06:25
Actually it would cost much cheaper if you buy it directly from amazon.jp via shipping service like tenso.

True, but given that someone here got one DOA, I'd be happy to have a place to return it to that isn't in Japan :)
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 06 August 2016, 03:47:34
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.

Is lightning to female usb ---> male usb to male micro usb an option with an Ipad?

I know I can do it with my android devices and KBs.

I know the cable is out there for lightning to usb, but don't know if Ipad is capable or not.

If I am understanding your question, the answer is yes. I use the following adaptor to use my HHKB, RealForce, IBM Model M, Avant Stellar, and Unicomp keyboard with my iPad, no problem:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter?fnode=91
So I'm interested in the Adaptor to connect the iPad to my keyboards. I read that HHKB Pro 2 does work probably because it kinda requires a lot of power due to the two USB plug, the power requirement is beyond what the iPad can provide. So, I'm curious how you got the HHKB Pro 2 to work. Did you use a powered USB hub?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sat, 06 August 2016, 07:51:55
Waiting for reviews but if the board turns out well made the bump does not really bother me for use as a travel board.  I'm an avid user of tablets over laptops and i would love one of these for use with my iPad since the Hasu mod has such short battery life.

Is lightning to female usb ---> male usb to male micro usb an option with an Ipad?

I know I can do it with my android devices and KBs.

I know the cable is out there for lightning to usb, but don't know if Ipad is capable or not.

If I am understanding your question, the answer is yes. I use the following adaptor to use my HHKB, RealForce, IBM Model M, Avant Stellar, and Unicomp keyboard with my iPad, no problem:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter?fnode=91
So I'm interested in the Adaptor to connect the iPad to my keyboards. I read that HHKB Pro 2 does work probably because it kinda requires a lot of power due to the two USB plug, the power requirement is beyond what the iPad can provide. So, I'm curious how you got the HHKB Pro 2 to work. Did you use a powered USB hub?

I should have been more specific - I have a HHKB Pro JP, which is the JIS layout, and does not include the USB hub of the HHKB Pro 2's ANSI model. However I would think that the newer Apple adapter would work with it, as it can provide more power:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter?fnode=91

Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 06 August 2016, 08:31:34
However I would think that the newer Apple adapter would work with it, as it can provide more power:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter?fnode=91
Thank you, in my research I also stumbled upon this new adapter, in which, I could power it (and powering the iPad as well at the same time). So perhaps it will work with a HHKB!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: the_marsbar on Tue, 06 September 2016, 06:54:48
Any thoughts on the HHKB BT? How is it holding up? What is realistic battery life? Any issues?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: RobotMalcolmX on Tue, 06 September 2016, 07:41:04
Any thoughts on the HHKB BT? How is it holding up? What is realistic battery life? Any issues?

I've been using one as a daily while at work for just about 2 months now. I haven't had any issues. I was the 2nd owner of my board and replaced the batteries after one month of use.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xondat on Tue, 06 September 2016, 07:43:17
Any thoughts on the HHKB BT? How is it holding up? What is realistic battery life? Any issues?
It's all good. No proper issues apart from having to restarting it every week because it just stops working so whatever. Battery is super good, a couple months probably.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: the_marsbar on Tue, 06 September 2016, 09:45:24
That's good to hear. I might have to get one at some point :D
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: xondat on Tue, 06 September 2016, 10:55:18
That's good to hear. I might have to get one at some point :D

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Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: the_marsbar on Tue, 06 September 2016, 15:50:31
I already own a black Pro 2 and a Type-S :D

Wouldn't be bad having one of each variant though. I also need a Pro (1).
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Moistgun on Tue, 06 September 2016, 16:15:47
I already own a black Pro 2 and a Type-S :D

Wouldn't be bad having one of each variant though. I also need a Pro (1).

Where do you even get a hhkb pro 1? ebay?

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Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Adgar on Tue, 06 September 2016, 21:06:58
It feels more heavy...........
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 08 September 2016, 05:51:24
I already own a black Pro 2 and a Type-S :D

Wouldn't be bad having one of each variant though. I also need a Pro (1).

Where do you even get a hhkb pro 1? ebay?

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Pretty much.  They do turn up from time to time, sometimes quite yellowed (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80595.0), although restoration is possible (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61502.0).
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: testplsignore on Sat, 24 December 2016, 10:06:27
Does anyone know anything about how the "multi-pairing" feature works?

From the Google translated PFU page (http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/feature.html (http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/feature.html)), it sounds like it can hold 4 devices in memory.

I'm hoping it's something similar to the BT on the Filco MJ2 Convertible, but I don't think the HHKB BT would have a full blown switcher like the Filco.

My BT is still winding it's way through the postal system, has anyone tried pairing theirs to more than one device at once?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: infmz on Wed, 28 December 2016, 16:28:24
Torn between an HHKB Pro 2 and the BT.  Sounds like a few people have had issues here.  If I were to buy it, I'd purchase it through a proxy (ZenMarket), so warranty/returns might be tricky.  Anyone else been using this as a daily driver without issues, or has anyone dealt with repairs through PFU?  Cheers.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: RobotMalcolmX on Wed, 28 December 2016, 17:05:59
Torn between an HHKB Pro 2 and the BT.  Sounds like a few people have had issues here.  If I were to buy it, I'd purchase it through a proxy (ZenMarket), so warranty/returns might be tricky.  Anyone else been using this as a daily driver without issues, or has anyone dealt with repairs through PFU?  Cheers.

I've had mine for a long time now (July maybe?) and have had zero issues with it.

That being said, if its just sitting at a desk or you really don't plan on moving around with it a lot; get a Pro 2. Not worth the increased cost.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 13 February 2017, 02:52:57
Has anyone here bought from smartimports.net?

I was thinking of buying a hhkb bt from them.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: happylacquer on Mon, 13 February 2017, 05:46:55
I am also interested in the cheapest way to get a hhkb pro2 bt. Maybe amazon.co.jp and Tenso? I could get some other stuff at the same time....
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: losing_ctrl on Mon, 13 February 2017, 07:38:58
Has anyone here bought from smartimports.net?

I was thinking of buying a hhkb bt from them.

I've purchased an HHKB from them, along with a few other things, and had a good experience with them. I've read here on GH other people have some frustrating experiences with them, due to slow shipping, delayed communication, etc.

I've heard that it's cheaper to get it through a Japanese shopping service like this:

https://zenmarket.jp/default.aspx

I tried to buy something through zenmarket once, however my credit card apparently didn't think it was a good idea and declined the purchase.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: testplsignore on Tue, 14 February 2017, 05:15:59
I've had no issues with my HHKB BT.

It plays nice with Apple devices (Mac and iOS), and works with a Lenovo X1 Carbon as well.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: rsadek on Tue, 14 February 2017, 09:12:48
I totally want the BT version. I want it so much but I can't live without Hasu's controller mod for programmability. HHKB + programming is an utter delight. Is it worth the sacrifice for wireless glory?


-R
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 17 April 2017, 18:09:59
I totally want the BT version. I want it so much but I can't live without Hasu's controller mod for programmability. HHKB + programming is an utter delight. Is it worth the sacrifice for wireless glory?


-R

Can't you have both? Or does having one preclude the other?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 17 April 2017, 19:45:43
I totally want the BT version. I want it so much but I can't live without Hasu's controller mod for programmability. HHKB + programming is an utter delight. Is it worth the sacrifice for wireless glory?


-R

Can't you have both? Or does having one preclude the other?

Well hasu has his own Bluetooth controller which has been out for some time now but it is a replacement controller for the regular hhkb.

Their is currently no hasu replacement controller for the new hhkb Bluetooth model.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: Stabilized on Fri, 12 May 2017, 11:45:24
Has anyone had experience with a stock HHKB with BT Hasu vs. the HHKB BT?

I am really tempted to buy one as I'm a bit underwhelmed by the Hasu BT controller (repeated key presses, crappy battery life, and coil whine when in USB pass through mode). I have also seen that the HHKB uses an updated slider design, does that change the feeling of the keyboard at all?
I'm planning to pick one up in Japan, it's currently 29,000JPY vs 19,400JPY (Amazon.co.jp), but considering the price of a Hasu BT ($90), then I'm really looking at around $255 (HHKB BT) vs. $260 (HHKB Pro2 with Hasu).
I'm thinking of going for the HHKB BT, but I think I'm going to miss the programmability for sure :/
Would really appreciate any pointers of anyone who has had experience of the two!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: JKer on Sun, 21 May 2017, 12:40:15
I have a problem with my HHKB BT board. Sometimes it freeze for few second and when it reconnect, it would repeats the last key I put in for endless time. Has anyone experienced anything like this?

I also have a normal HHKB and it works very well, but this wireless, expensive HHKB BT really annoys me. I connect it via WiFI and bluetooth unit on my Z170N-WIFI mainboard. Wondering if changing bluetooth dongle will fix it?
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: regionfree on Mon, 28 August 2017, 02:41:26
I have a problem with my HHKB BT board. Sometimes it freeze for few second and when it reconnect, it would repeats the last key I put in for endless time. Has anyone experienced anything like this?

I also have a normal HHKB and it works very well, but this wireless, expensive HHKB BT really annoys me. I connect it via WiFI and bluetooth unit on my Z170N-WIFI mainboard. Wondering if changing bluetooth dongle will fix it?

I had this problem with mine as well, to a point that keys repeat every few minutes until i turn off the board. Turn on the board again and the problem still persists. What I tried that worked was to delete/reset all the pairings (I was using it with macOS Sierra and Windows 10), and re-paired it with just one device. I haven't had the problem ever since. I'm now thinking that this was an issue with the multi-device part of its software/firmware.

It's been a week nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww         sssssssssince

Kidding aside, it's been 1 week now since the last time this happened.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: BAS1C on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:34:35
I have a problem with my HHKB BT board. Sometimes it freeze for few second and when it reconnect, it would repeats the last key I put in for endless time. Has anyone experienced anything like this?

I also have a normal HHKB and it works very well, but this wireless, expensive HHKB BT really annoys me. I connect it via WiFI and bluetooth unit on my Z170N-WIFI mainboard. Wondering if changing bluetooth dongle will fix it?

I had this problem with mine as well, to a point that keys repeat every few minutes until i turn off the board. Turn on the board again and the problem still persists. What I tried that worked was to delete/reset all the pairings (I was using it with macOS Sierra and Windows 10), and re-paired it with just one device. I haven't had the problem ever since. I'm now thinking that this was an issue with the multi-device part of its software/firmware.

It's been a week nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww         sssssssssince

Kidding aside, it's been 1 week now since the last time this happened.

Odd... I have been having this same issue since I got it two weeks ago. Will not play nice with my work laptop, the sad part is I just got off the phone with IT to remove the device from the list so my PC could find it again to try re-pairing. And same issue again. is it just FN+z to delete the pairings? Or is it FN+Z+Del?  This is frustrating!
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: ouroboros on Sat, 09 September 2017, 07:12:48
I'm contemplating the purchase of this keyboard but I have one question.

Would this keyboard work in the BIOS/UEFI? Or more pertinently in GRUB? Would it be necessary a USB dongle? If so, which one?
I ask this because I'll be dual-booting Linux and Windows and this is important.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 03 May 2018, 02:04:13
No matter the circumstances it won't. It's just a regular bt4 keyboard that needs bluetooth pairing. As far as i know only intel compute stick supports bluetooth keyboards in bios.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: joric on Thu, 03 May 2018, 02:06:16
Would really appreciate any pointers of anyone who has had experience of the two!
I ended with Hasu and sold the HHKB BT abomination. The battery compartment is ugly and there's no USB mode at all, the USB is power only.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: the_marsbar on Thu, 03 May 2018, 03:24:02
If you expected a keyboard for use with a USB cable, then surely it was the wrong purchase.

For a single keyboard, I would probably not choose a USB one. But as I have two other HHKBs, I would still like a bluetooth one.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: sebas on Wed, 16 May 2018, 07:34:52
Kidding aside, it's been 1 week now since the last time this happened.
I have this same issue, but it was also happening on my old AnnePro so I'm starting to blame the dongle/BT drivers/windows. So far have tried replacing the dongle but the issue has not looked to get any better.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: nudsenma on Tue, 14 September 2021, 00:28:43
This device has gotten a lot of good reviews lately.
Title: Re: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 14 September 2021, 00:47:17
This device has gotten a lot of good reviews lately.

Holy necro-thread, Batman