Author Topic: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth (Read 108303 times)

ZestMyu · « **on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:00:31 »

PFU is finally releasing a Happy Hacking keyboard with built in bluetooth:
http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/shop/hhkb/btpre.html

appleonama · « **Reply #1 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:02:53 »

that crappy design choice

and micro b connector

I'd rather buy a hasu controller

FrostyToast · « **Reply #2 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:06:55 »

The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #3 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:07:24 »

Well that's pretty sweet.

fknraiden · « **Reply #4 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:11:31 »

Any english articles? or what specs and version availability?

thatsmrdoctortoyou · « **Reply #5 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:12:20 »

Quote from: appleonama on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:02:53

that crappy design choice and micro b connector
I'd rather buy a hasu controller

Agreed, mini USB would have made this more desireable.

Quote from: FrostyToast on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:06:55

The only thing that would make this remotely compelling versus the Hasu controller is battery life.

What is the battery life with the Hasu controller?

pr0ximity · « **Reply #6 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:14:19 »

I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.

FrostyToast · « **Reply #7 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:33:58 »

Quote from: pr0ximity on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:14:19

I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.

I see you still haven't figured out that there is another JP model.

Coreda · « **Reply #8 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:34:02 »

You'd think there would be space enough for a flatter battery and BT adapter to fit inside the existing case. From the looks of it they went with replaceable AA batteries, though it's unclear if they can be recharged from the unit itself. Maybe someone who understands Japanese can shed some light.

pr0ximity · « **Reply #9 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:51:01 »

Quote from: FrostyToast on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:33:58

Quote from: pr0ximity on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:14:19
I see they still haven't figured out how to put a key in either of the bottom corners.
I see you still haven't figured out that there is another JP model.
Show Image

Ah right, always forget about that thing. Tiny spacebars before tiny spacebars were cool.

yomammary · « **Reply #10 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:28:43 »

That's underwhelming...

clacktalk · « **Reply #11 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:30:48 »

not programmable
jutting AA battery compartment

where is the innovation

romevi · « **Reply #12 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:32:07 »

I still would rather get the hasu controller so I can program keys as well as have Bluetooth.

Air tree · « **Reply #13 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 22:45:25 »

PFU, just release a HHKB 3, that's all you need to do and the HHKB master race will be lining up for one, as long as it's not ****e.

jerue · « **Reply #14 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:21:32 »

No type-s
finally a black HHKB Pro JP option
dat bootay though

Maybe this is just to tide us over for the next...eon or so...then again, why fix something if it isn't broken?

Belfong · « **Reply #15 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:44:57 »

I thought it's not that bad looking. Hmm, I have been looking for a BT mech keyboard for the iPad and this came at the right time. I wonder if they are discontinuing the non BT models, since this one can be cable driven as well.

Belfong · « **Reply #16 on:** Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:57:28 »

oh look, finally a rubber stopper in the BT edition:

appleonama · « **Reply #17 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 00:11:28 »

Quote from: Belfong on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:57:28

oh look, finally a rubber stopper in the BT edition:
Show Image

AMAZING!

adhoc · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:07:48 »

Heh, I wrote I'd expect a new HHKB on GH IRC channel 2 weeks ago, everyone mocked me. It's an iteration, not innovation, which is perfectly fine in my eyes. I wanted wireless, no usb hub and stock pbt space bar from the update. So far this rings all the bells (except for the space bar - or?), but I'll wait for type s bt, which will inevitably come.

funderburker · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:49:06 »

Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.
They could've taken example from Hasu and just made a official Bluetooth controller with built-in battery but instead they made the classical design a bit rough and I don't like it. But that's just my opinion. I'll be happy with my newly bought HHKB Pro 2 & will probably buy the Hasu controller instead of this.

Could this mean that the HHKB Pro 2 price will drop? This could possibly happen, right?

FrostyToast · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:58:23 »

Quote from: funderburker on Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:49:06

Well, I don't understand why they went with a AA battery solution because it looks... out-dated. I think that their design team is stuck in 2005.
They could've taken example from Hasu and just made a official Bluetooth controller with built-in battery but instead they made the classical design a bit rough and I don't like it. But that's just my opinion. I'll be happy with my newly bought HHKB Pro 2 & will probably buy the Hasu controller instead of this.

Could this mean that the HHKB Pro 2 price will drop? This could possibly happen, right?

I like AA because lithium ion dies over time and you cannot replace the batteries like you can with traditional methods.

Belfong · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:58:59 »

Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.

nmur · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:08:52 »

apparently the battery can last for 3 months? if so, that's pretty long

Belfong · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:25:15 »

Quote from: nmur on Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:08:52

apparently the battery can last for 3 months? if so, that's pretty long

exciting huh! finally the iPad has a worthy keyboard.

demik · « **Reply #24 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:40:21 »

Quote from: jerue on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:21:32

No type-s
finally a black HHKB Pro JP option
dat bootay though

Maybe this is just to tide us over for the next...eon or so...then again, why fix something if it isn't broken?

There has always been a black jp tho

beehatch · « **Reply #25 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 03:51:35 »

rurushu · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 04:28:36 »

uhh.... the design... in my humblly humble opinion, is fugly.

The non- BT ones are nicer in design.

MJ45 · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 05:12:30 »

Quote from: Belfong on Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:58:59

Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.

If they made a white HHKB Pro BT it would look like a Apple approved HID device.

yomammary · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:50:19 »

http://www.ipodstyle.jp/news/hhkbbt/

More pics.

joric · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:20:02 »

Made a somewhat shocking discovery.

http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/bt/spec.html

"Power supply AA batteries (two), the power supply from the Micro USB port (cable not included)"
"Interface : Bluetooth Ver3.0 Class2 (Bluetooth HID 1.0 profile)" No USB here.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01DVH7C0O/?m=A2JB8E672LPES7&tag=pfdi-22

"Power to adopt a readily available AA batteries. About three months operating with two AA alkaline batteries. Also equipped with a USB micro-B connector for power supply"

Also this picture:

Top: LED indicator. The LED's color and blinking/non-blinking indicate the connection status
Bottom left: Power switch
Bottom center: Battery compartment, AA battery x 2
Bottom right: USB micro-B connector (for power supply)

Seems pretty straightforward that USB is for power only.

Latin00032 · « **Reply #30 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 15:02:43 »

Quote from: joric on Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:20:02

Made a somewhat shocking discovery.

"Power supplyAA batteries (two), the power supply from the Micro USB port (cable not included)"
"Interface : Bluetooth Ver3.0 Class2 (Bluetooth HID 1.0 profile)" No USB here.
"Power to adopt a readily available AA batteries. About three months operating with two AA alkaline batteries. Also equipped with a USB micro-B connector for power supply"

Seems pretty straightforward that USB is for power only.

Also this picture:

Show Image

Top: LED indicator. The LED's color and blinking/non-blinking indicate the connection status
Bottom left: Power switch
Bottom center: Battery compartment, AA battery x 2
Bottom right: USB micro-B connector (for power supply)

I want to like this but I'd rather install a hasu controller so I can customize the layout.

robbles · « **Reply #31 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 15:27:51 »

I wonder how long it will be before these are ready to purchase in the USA. With the relative scarcity of Hasu's BT controller, if Amazon US gets these I might bite. I told myself my second HHKB would be a blank white though. The lack of color options is disappointing.

breaker9691 · « **Reply #32 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:05:24 »

i'm not sure that i will buy this version but i think when i got it i will make quick review and typing sound for anyone who considering about buy this version

i'm loving the type-s with the "thock thock" sound and i owning both pro2 type-s and pro2, this version adding more "rubber dome" so it's will surely doesn't scratch your glass table and more stable when using on surface like glass and something like that

but typing is different each version of hhkb, hope that still can keep HHKB like a legend of 60% keyboard.

Rad · « **Reply #33 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:14:26 »

That girl got an ass on her.

raymogi · « **Reply #34 on:** Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:51:01 »

Might get this just because.

joric · « **Reply #35 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 10:07:49 »

DIP switches migrated to the bottom, covered with a special lid.

FoC_Tow · « **Reply #36 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:19:08 »

Yeah... No

iLLucionist · « **Reply #37 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:34:05 »

Quote from: Belfong on Tue, 12 April 2016, 01:58:59

Apple Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad also use AA battery. I think it make sense. It's easy to replace and they are cheap. I don't mind this decision. The design, though, is a bit weird with that row of thing jutting at the back. I tell myself that if it works for Matias, surely it will look good in a HHKB.

Nope. The newest series have built-in batteries and charging over... thought micro or mini USB.

iLLucionist · « **Reply #38 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:37:32 »

Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

"HHKB is supreme."

> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"

beehatch · « **Reply #39 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 18:36:24 »

Quote from: raymogi on Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:51:01

Might get this just because.

nah

kekman · « **Reply #40 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 19:44:35 »

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:37:32

Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

"HHKB is supreme."

> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"

i think pfu wants the protect the hhkbs image as a 'purist' topre typing board, but they kinda ****ed up every opportunity with this.

derb2k2 · « **Reply #41 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 19:48:48 »

even though bluetooth is attractive, big negative on this. Don't like that part jutting out.

I'll be on the lookout for a slimmer version without the bump though.

edit: ahah, reading earlier comments. Yea that design isn't too good.

Polymer · « **Reply #42 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 20:14:08 »

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:37:32

Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

MOST Topre lovers? Why would they want it plate mounted? That would completely kill the feel you get with a HHKB. Some people may want a RF in the shape of a HHKB...but the HHKB is different and it should be..all that extra thock? Lost.. That isn't innovation and is probably going in the WRONG direction. 55g is a niche weight and not the one they've determined is the best. It might have a following here but it is a niche weight. Even check out the others that have made Topre keyboards (660c, Novatouch), they're not 55g. Why would they make these MX compatible when they sell Topre Keycaps? Maybe at some point if they're never making anymore keycaps (I would love more colors but the market is too small for that) they'll do us all a favor and switch but I just don't see it happening. PBT Spacebar would be nice..but if you have any experience with these you know people have had to get their hair dryers out and straighten them a bit..not an issue any company wants to deal with...An Aluminum case would be interesting but for the same reason as the plate, you'd lose the feel and that's not something I'm interested in having with the HHKB. I think one thing that wouldn't have changed the keyboard from a normal user standpoint but allowed for more options is programmable.

I do agree that the bulge probably could've been handled differently (although I'm sure they looked into it)...Normal batteries are so much better than chargeable ones though. What happens when your chargeable battery dies? You have a bluetooth keyboard that you need to have plugged in...You only have a built in battery because of size or because you want the keyboard to be obsolete in the 3-5 years it'll take for the battery to no longer charge very well...and if they had a replaceable battery, how long will that be available? Pretty nice market to begin with...AA batteries that last 3 months is pretty good..more than happy to deal with that..and the usb as a backup in case it dies is great. Maybe having a way to charge rechargeable AA's if it was plugged in might've been interesting....

joric · « **Reply #43 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 21:27:15 »

You probably just never had a wireless keyboard. Try it, this is ****ing sweet (not the hasu controller that just makes it a huge PITA). Ordering this one right now.

cryptokey · « **Reply #44 on:** Wed, 13 April 2016, 22:04:42 »

Been looking around at getting my first HHKB, but this bluetooth HHKB is too fugly for me. Bluetooth and micro usb isn't a plus for me so I'll pass.

romevi · « **Reply #45 on:** Thu, 14 April 2016, 00:03:08 »

Quote from: beehatch on Wed, 13 April 2016, 18:36:24

Quote from: raymogi on Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:51:01
Might get this just because.

nah

)

joric · « **Reply #46 on:** Thu, 14 April 2016, 00:44:19 »

Just got an official reply to my inquiry from hhkb@pfu.fujitsu.com:

USB is for power only.There is no I/F.
It can't charge battery.
Best Reg,
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【ご質問／ご連絡内容】
Title : USB connector Inquiry :
This is about HHKB Professional BT.
1) Is USB for power only? Will it work via USB cable if there's no Bluetooth on the host?
2) Does it have a built in charger for AA-sized accumulators?
Product Name: HHKB全般

iLLucionist · « **Reply #47 on:** Thu, 14 April 2016, 03:40:25 »

Quote from: kekman on Wed, 13 April 2016, 19:44:35

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:37:32
Seriously... lack of innovation and vision here. WTF. That bulge at the back looks disgusting. It made my eyes puke.

Why not steel case, plate mounted, 55g option, other color combo's, reversible / cherry compatible stems, pbt spacebar.

So many sane options that most topre lovers would immediately buy. Even at 100$ more. Why this? WHY?

Also, this makes topre look bad in my opinion, the lack of direction.

"HHKB is supreme."

> "Yeahh... but have you seen that fugly bluetooth HHKB? Nahh... I'll buy a Razer instead. Laaataahh loooossssaaaahhhs"

i think pfu wants the protect the hhkbs image as a 'purist' topre typing board, but they kinda ****ed up every opportunity with this.

I don't think pfu is gonna recover from this.. topre bragging rights down the drain

henz · « **Reply #48 on:** Thu, 14 April 2016, 06:04:40 »

its like we need to hype because they have released a new model.

joric · « **Reply #49 on:** Thu, 14 April 2016, 07:23:05 »

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Author Topic: Happy Hacking Professional Bluetooth (Read 108303 times)