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Title: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: necromanx on Thu, 08 August 2019, 09:27:07
JTK has been working on a new keycap profile for a while now and asked us to introduce it to the community. 

HSA or HALF SA is a double shot ABS keycap profile with a glossy finish.  As the name implies, it’s a shorter variation on the SA profile while still being spherical and sculpted.

Most of the HSA molds have been created and a good number of prototype keycaps have been made to test the profile and verify the quality of the legend and the finish.   
They shipped some keycaps of this first batch to us so I could show and share them around to get some initial feedback. 

(https://i.imgur.com/FulJvCs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/s9gUwgc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Yw4Ls7H.jpg)

JTK has a strong desire to get more connected to the community and work directly with designers on keysets. 
We shared a lot of feedback that has been going around in various community circles and they are taking this by heart and already made changes to their CA (Cherry) profile as well as the new HSA profile based on our feedback.   

Some of the feedback they worked on:
- The legend sharpness of their CA profile has been improved.
- ISO (Nor, De, Uk) keycaps are being molded for both CA and HSA.
- Various molds with legend inconsistencies or oddities (“back space”) are being replaced.
- Allow and quote costs for novelty keys

They shared the 3d models with us so we could conjure up some renders of the currently available keys.
renders by Janglad

(https://i.imgur.com/FPZPmVg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/A1UHBUM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QPkectF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MEw66BT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JjSPvvY.jpg)

They are producing a single set for us to once again be able to share with the community.  I hope to have it with me on a keyboard to the keyboard meetup in Paris end of August to get some impressions there.  I will probably ship it to some streamers after that and help setup designers that want to design a set with their new profile. 

We are currently considering running an early group buy for either White on Black or Beige on Brown as seen on the renders.  Feel free to let us know what you would like to see first!

A little sticker we got made for this keycap profile
(https://i.imgur.com/Ey85Isv.png)



Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 08 August 2019, 09:30:23
Dang that's shiny. I love trying new profiles - my personal vote is for WoB, can't go wrong with it.

Also big up ISO love <3
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: syberghost on Thu, 08 August 2019, 09:47:47
This would be a neat profile for making a WoB with TRS-80 style slashed zero.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: AJM on Thu, 08 August 2019, 09:50:34
That looks very very promising.
I always liked the shape of SA, but thought, that the keys were unnecessarily high.
So HSA would be pretty much perfect for me.  :thumb:
If the quality is right and an ISO/NorDe kit available, I will definitely get it.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 08 August 2019, 11:18:14
This looks great. Can't wait to see the improvements to the Cherry Profile stuff. I'd like to see WoB first.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: e11i0t23 on Thu, 08 August 2019, 11:45:30
I like the look and sound if the ideas behind this profile my personal vote would be for WoB but would also love to see and have og biege brought to life in this
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 08 August 2019, 11:49:56
Not a fan of the glossy finish
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: necromanx on Thu, 08 August 2019, 12:07:49
Not a fan of the glossy finish

Yeah its probably not for everyone. And I assume they can do it without the finish as well ;-).  They wanted to do something different.
I think it will work best with darker colors.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: beekey on Thu, 08 August 2019, 12:27:57
Prefer the brown, but WoB would be ok.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Stormlex on Thu, 08 August 2019, 12:34:14
Beige on Brown would be more interesting imho.
Nothing wrong with WoB tho.

Cool sticker ;)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 08 August 2019, 12:41:18
Not a fan of the glossy finish

Yeah its probably not for everyone. And I assume they can do it without the finish as well ;-).  They wanted to do something different.
I think it will work best with darker colors.

I hope they can offer more finishes.  The thickness and height look good.  I have 3 JTK cherry sets that are lovely so I know they can offer quality.

Do you have details on the sculpture?   Is it exactly the same as SA but just lower, or is it something unique?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: CandyKeys on Thu, 08 August 2019, 12:47:04
Looks pretty neat ngl, am interested to see developments.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: necromanx on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:14:46

I hope they can offer more finishes.  The thickness and height look good.  I have 3 JTK cherry sets that are lovely so I know they can offer quality.

Do you have details on the sculpture?   Is it exactly the same as SA but just lower, or is it something unique?

its VERY close to SA.
Check these renders for a side by side comparison
(https://i.imgur.com/t3l0lrF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BzZ1p7m.jpg)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:28:32
This looks really cool. Exciting
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: regallegion on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:30:01
This looks awesome!! I've always like SA, but depending on the board, the extra height makes the typing angle uncomfortable for all day typing. Really excited to get my hands on a set of these!

ps. I think this would look awesome with a classic colorway like Violet on Cream...
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: kmfmppl on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:32:06
Cool stuff, glad to hear they are making ISO molds
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:38:09

I hope they can offer more finishes.  The thickness and height look good.  I have 3 JTK cherry sets that are lovely so I know they can offer quality.

Do you have details on the sculpture?   Is it exactly the same as SA but just lower, or is it something unique?

its VERY close to SA.
Check these renders for a side by side comparison
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/t3l0lrF.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BzZ1p7m.jpg)


JTK indeed keeps on improving
(still waiting for their new Cherry profile homing keys, perhaps a pair of scooped caps and a separate pair of barred caps that do not hit the switch-top housing by the way)

I really like their designs and after 3 years, they also finally listened to add the 1u "| \ " key for HHKB layout.
And they rerun classic colorways such as Hyperfuse and make them more affordable for most people.
They even take on the triple-shot challenge - and I look forward to the results and the further implementation of this triple-shot art, and their take on other classic colorways as well as their updates of their old offers, e.g. to add the 1u "| \ " key back, and to re-introduce some of the LED-caps.

Question about this HSA profile:

If from left to right is R1, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5
1. Is R3 = R5?
2. Is R4 = reversed R2?

3. Is the texture more of an imitation of SP SA or like MaxKey? Or something else?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:38:58
this is a small detail and I'm not sure you would know, but what about skirt height?  (I'm not totally sure what you would call it) The best way I can explain it is that my SA caps on some boards sit about .2mm above the case bezels.  The same is true for GMK.  DSA actually sit even higher, with a gap of about .5mm.  BUT, MT3 caps have a longer skirt and the caps sit below the bezel.  Any idea?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:41:25
Question about this HSA profile:

If from left to right is R1, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5
1. Is R3 = R5?
2. Is R4 = reversed R2?

3. Is the texture more of an imitation of SP SA or like MaxKey? Or something else?

The usual SA sculpt is 112343, and I'm assuming they've brought that across. I also believe r2 and r4 are the same but flipped, but could be wrong.
I'll let OP speak for the rest of course
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Sup on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:53:34
I am digging this very very much
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: necromanx on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:56:42
Question about this HSA profile:

If from left to right is R1, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5
1. Is R3 = R5?
2. Is R4 = reversed R2?

3. Is the texture more of an imitation of SP SA or like MaxKey? Or something else?

The usual SA sculpt is 112343, and I'm assuming they've brought that across. I also believe r2 and r4 are the same but flipped, but could be wrong.
I'll let OP speak for the rest of course

This is correct!
R2 and R4 are the exact same but reversed on both SA and HSA
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: necromanx on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:57:06
this is a small detail and I'm not sure you would know, but what about skirt height?  (I'm not totally sure what you would call it) The best way I can explain it is that my SA caps on some boards sit about .2mm above the case bezels.  The same is true for GMK.  DSA actually sit even higher, with a gap of about .5mm.  BUT, MT3 caps have a longer skirt and the caps sit below the bezel.  Any idea?

I will try it out in the office and compare it with SP SA caps :-)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: romevi on Thu, 08 August 2019, 14:01:54
Seeing this for the first time. Very interested. I love the look of SA but do not like how they feel (I've owned three sets and couldn't get into them).
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: agbockus on Thu, 08 August 2019, 14:03:46
I have been looking for a reasonably priced WoB kit for the last 2 months+. To me, GMK ain't worth the price, plus I love sculpted, but SA can be a bit tall...

Honestly, this is everything I'm looking for and then some. Glossy isn't my preference, but if it the price is right I can easily look past that since it shouldn't "shine" and look bad after use, since it's already glossy.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 08 August 2019, 14:25:30
Color me intrigued. Definitely prefer WoB over beige.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: NoiZ on Thu, 08 August 2019, 17:23:38
 i would most deff be interested in a brown set they look tha tits =)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: kennardsmith on Thu, 08 August 2019, 17:30:40
i'd be in for either colorway, but prefer WoB. Exciting new profile!
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 08 August 2019, 17:58:12
Half height SA profile made by JTK!? You have my attention! :thumb:
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 08 August 2019, 18:04:40
Never thought we'd get iso moulds for jtk =O! New profile looks sweet too  :thumb:
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: donkey on Thu, 08 August 2019, 19:36:36
All that shine don't look that good but, given that it's ABS, I can dit it as pre-shined evenly.
If it's not too late, consider HiPro like larger top surface and scooped home row. There is a HiPro clone coming so no biggie if molds have been made already.

Re first colorway, WoB has my vote.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: bluesclera on Fri, 09 August 2019, 08:05:24
Love the glossy shine. I vote for black
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 09 August 2019, 08:49:52
WoB would be nice.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: equalunique on Fri, 09 August 2019, 16:28:17
100% love it. Shiny smooth keycaps are my favorite.

Both white-on-black and beige-on-brown looks awesome. Personally I'm favoring the beige-on-brown more, but would buy either.

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Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: mydens on Fri, 09 August 2019, 16:45:09
i would buy WoB - nice shine.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: lendflat on Fri, 09 August 2019, 16:54:06
When can we expect the groupbuy? this year i hope?
I vote for black.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 09 August 2019, 20:14:10
i am working on a set for this profile
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 09 August 2019, 20:18:29
i am working on a set for this profile

nice
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: superdoedoe on Sat, 10 August 2019, 02:54:27
Watching the thread for updates
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: necromanx on Sat, 10 August 2019, 07:18:59
I will probably organize the group buy next week. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: lendflat on Sat, 10 August 2019, 07:36:57
oh sweet! BoW?

I will probably organize the group buy next week. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 10 August 2019, 08:24:21
I'm hoping the key surface isn't wider than SA. That has been my gripe with other low spherical profiles.

BTW, I prefer smooth key sides. ABS offers more friction against the fingertips than PBT. That's why PBT needs to have textured top surfaces but ABS doesn't.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 10 August 2019, 12:52:41
I'm hoping the key surface isn't wider than SA. That has been my gripe with other low spherical profiles.

BTW, I prefer smooth key sides. ABS offers more friction against the fingertips than PBT. That's why PBT needs to have textured top surfaces but ABS doesn't.

it is basically SP SA with half the key chopped off

should be good
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: bluesclera on Sat, 10 August 2019, 16:41:01
nevermind thanks.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Sat, 10 August 2019, 17:31:44
Beige on brown please!
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 10 August 2019, 17:59:16
I'm hoping the key surface isn't wider than SA. That has been my gripe with other low spherical profiles.

BTW, I prefer smooth key sides. ABS offers more friction against the fingertips than PBT. That's why PBT needs to have textured top surfaces but ABS doesn't.

Smooth, I'm all for.  Shiny, no.  Right?  RIGHT?  :p
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 12 August 2019, 01:40:27
People should read https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=63052.0 before starting this kind of project.

(http://i.imgur.com/M8BcSkp.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/91dI4qM.png)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: vi0till on Mon, 12 August 2019, 12:53:45
Go beige on brown. Estimate GB date?

Beige on brown please!
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 12 August 2019, 17:52:07
People should read https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=63052.0 before starting this kind of project.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/M8BcSkp.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/91dI4qM.png)


while technically correct this chart doesn't account for the short-SA profiles that have become more popular since it was made

but like says in the post

spherical angled
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Damage on Mon, 12 August 2019, 21:47:35
Will buy the brown. Or, you know, HSA Olivia or something.  ;)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 12 August 2019, 22:36:10
while technically correct this chart doesn't account for the short-SA profiles that have become more popular since it was made

but like says in the post: spherical angled
Popularity is not the point here.

Just shortening SA keycaps still leaves an incorrect keycap profile which only properly functions as intended when attached to keyswitches with tilted stems. When stuck onto MX (or similar) switches with straight stems, the result is a degraded/corrupted experience.

The original designers of an SA-style keycap shape were experts at IBM and Honeywell in the 1960s who did serious ergonomics research. Their work was copied by everyone else in the industry, most of whom did not have the same level of understanding.

The proper way to adapt SA-type keycaps for straight-stemmed switches (irrespective of the height) is to systematically rotate the tops so that a proper “stairstep” pattern is maintained between the home row and the two rows above. For inspiration look at the spherical keycaps used on Alps switches in Canon typewriters of the early 1980s, or look at signature plastics’s SS or DSS profile (if someone made a copy of SP’s DSS profile – which is basically this HSA idea but done correctly, but for which the molds sadly no longer exist – that would be amazing). Or for that matter look at “cherry profile” or “alps profile” cylindrical caps, etc.

Using SA profile as-is or just reducing its height is a poor choice, ergonomically. It will slow down typing and reduce accuracy.

It’s great to bring back good ideas and a pretty aesthetic from the 60s–70s, but people should be examining the design from first principles and figuring out *why* the old idea worked that way, not just copying a corrupted variant of the superficial form without understanding.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: menuhin on Tue, 13 August 2019, 02:17:33
while technically correct this chart doesn't account for the short-SA profiles that have become more popular since it was made

but like says in the post: spherical angled
Popularity is not the point here.

Just shortening SA keycaps still leaves an incorrect keycap profile which only properly functions as intended when attached to keyswitches with tilted stems. When stuck onto MX (or similar) switches with straight stems, the result is a degraded/corrupted experience.

The original designers of an SA-style keycap shape were experts at IBM and Honeywell in the 1960s who did serious ergonomics research. Their work was copied by everyone else in the industry, most of whom did not have the same level of understanding.

The proper way to adapt SA-type keycaps for straight-stemmed switches (irrespective of the height) is to systematically rotate the tops so that a proper “stairstep” pattern is maintained between the home row and the two rows above. For inspiration look at the spherical keycaps used on Alps switches in Canon typewriters of the early 1980s, or look at signature plastics’s SS or DSS profile (if someone made a copy of SP’s DSS profile – which is basically this HSA idea but done correctly, but for which the molds sadly no longer exist – that would be amazing). Or for that matter look at “cherry profile” or “alps profile” cylindrical caps, etc.

Using SA profile as-is or just reducing its height is a poor choice, ergonomically. It will slow down typing and reduce accuracy.

It’s great to bring back good ideas and a pretty aesthetic from the 60s–70s, but people should be examining the design from first principles and figuring out *why* the old idea worked that way, not just copying a corrupted variant of the superficial form without understanding.

Some in-depth content.
This is not a **** poster.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 13 August 2019, 04:59:13
...
(if someone made a copy of SP’s DSS profile – which is basically this HSA idea but done correctly, but for which the molds sadly no longer exist – that would be amazing).
Didn't SP recently recommission their DSS profile? DSS Dolch (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dss-dolch-keyset/)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: zslane on Tue, 13 August 2019, 11:51:11
Using SA profile as-is or just reducing its height is a poor choice, ergonomically. It will slow down typing and reduce accuracy.

While quite probably true, it is true in the most irrelevant sense, at least for me (and probably the vast majority of folks).

I touch-type nearly 90wpm with enough accuracy to get by quite nicely, even on SA keycaps and today's straight switches and plates. There is nothing in the way of ergonomics that would be so beneficial to me as to warrant a complete change to the profile, and in fact, I'm so used to it by now that anything which strayed too far from it would probably feel weird and uncomfortable and would keep me away from it. I doubt very many people would care or notice the so-called ergonomic benefits of a "properly" sculpted profile.

IBM designed their beamspring keyboards for an era when being a typist was practically a profession in and of itself. Outside of coders and bloggers, nobody types for a living today, and those that do don't need a few more WPM to make their jobs easier or lives better.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 13 August 2019, 18:19:32
while technically correct this chart doesn't account for the short-SA profiles that have become more popular since it was made

but like says in the post: spherical angled
Popularity is not the point here.

Just shortening SA keycaps still leaves an incorrect keycap profile which only properly functions as intended when attached to keyswitches with tilted stems. When stuck onto MX (or similar) switches with straight stems, the result is a degraded/corrupted experience.

The original designers of an SA-style keycap shape were experts at IBM and Honeywell in the 1960s who did serious ergonomics research. Their work was copied by everyone else in the industry, most of whom did not have the same level of understanding.

The proper way to adapt SA-type keycaps for straight-stemmed switches (irrespective of the height) is to systematically rotate the tops so that a proper “stairstep” pattern is maintained between the home row and the two rows above. For inspiration look at the spherical keycaps used on Alps switches in Canon typewriters of the early 1980s, or look at signature plastics’s SS or DSS profile (if someone made a copy of SP’s DSS profile – which is basically this HSA idea but done correctly, but for which the molds sadly no longer exist – that would be amazing). Or for that matter look at “cherry profile” or “alps profile” cylindrical caps, etc.

Using SA profile as-is or just reducing its height is a poor choice, ergonomically. It will slow down typing and reduce accuracy.

It’s great to bring back good ideas and a pretty aesthetic from the 60s–70s, but people should be examining the design from first principles and figuring out *why* the old idea worked that way, not just copying a corrupted variant of the superficial form without understanding.

i'll bring this up to buddha

don't know if anything can be done since the molds are already nearly made, but it's a very good point
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 20 August 2019, 02:33:20
Didn't SP recently recommission their DSS profile? DSS Dolch (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dss-dolch-keyset/)

Oh wow, that’s awesome. Someone finally answering my question from 2014 https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62417

Maybe I can finally try this out:
(http://i.imgur.com/LMalsj8.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/fjHp2x9.png)

Anyone who likes old IBM beam spring keyboards should be able to get something quite close with DSS. Comparison:
(http://i.imgur.com/novE7Vr.png)
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Carpelos on Thu, 29 August 2019, 16:16:02
Love the retro look and shine finish. Sepia keycaps with cream legends would be superb, WoB too.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: lendflat on Fri, 06 September 2019, 18:58:54
How about a 9009 colorway? cause i personally hate GMK.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: EMC Labs on Fri, 06 September 2019, 19:54:27
The shine tho
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 06 September 2019, 20:40:34
Using SA profile as-is or just reducing its height is a poor choice, ergonomically. It will slow down typing and reduce accuracy.
What will slow down typists depends on what the typists are used to ... and these days, I think many are used to flatter keyboards — for which a flatter keycap angle would be more natural.
Putting SA on keyboards with high inclination would be bollocks though.

I also think that keycap angle measurements of spherical and cylindrical keycaps are not directly comparable.
The front edge matters.
I'd think that somewhere halfway between SA and DSS would be more ideal.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: JT Keycaps on Thu, 12 September 2019, 04:05:53
some new samples.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Thu, 12 September 2019, 05:16:02
some new samples.

Looking Good  :thumb:
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Nuji on Thu, 12 September 2019, 06:16:46
oooooooof i like. no need to worry about shine with these lol
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: zslane on Thu, 12 September 2019, 11:26:34
Waiting for all the "SHIF T" complaints...
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Thu, 12 September 2019, 11:43:32
Glossy, like abs should be from the start.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: nyry43 on Thu, 12 September 2019, 11:56:10
Neat. I'd be interested in trying these out.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 September 2019, 22:07:53
How can you go from not knowing something exists, to desparately wanting it, in the space of a couple of seconds?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Adelscott on Mon, 16 September 2019, 03:29:00
Do they plan to make ISO-FR molds ?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Lanrefni on Fri, 20 September 2019, 19:27:16
some new samples.

Change the legends to black and make the all the mods black with purple legends and you will have my dream colorway.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: BserLarry on Fri, 20 September 2019, 22:17:43
Lets start this WoB GB already!
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: phinix on Wed, 25 September 2019, 10:45:38
oooh, I can see HSA Retro set... mmm... with Petscii of course:)

Please please pleeeease make HSA Retro - those brown and burgundy caps. With Petscii!

But that brown+beige looks awesome, would buy a set with ISO UK. :thumb:
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Butterbeer on Mon, 30 September 2019, 22:41:44
It’s great to bring back good ideas and a pretty aesthetic from the 60s–70s, but people should be examining the design from first principles and figuring out *why* the old idea worked that way, not just copying a corrupted variant of the superficial form without understanding.

I enjoyed your thesis statement and applaud the in-depth research presented in your posts. I haven't had to use my brain in a long time and your thread was enjoyable to read. Now to persuade the masses to accept your argument is another story.

Good Stuff
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: phinix on Thu, 03 October 2019, 07:20:51
Just wanted to ask - do they need to be that glossy?
Could they be like satin smooth, like SP SA?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 04 October 2019, 11:15:09
How can you go from not knowing something exists, to desparately wanting it, in the space of a couple of seconds?

The emptiness feeling and the FOMO among people in this community is super real!  :thumb:
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Fri, 04 October 2019, 12:41:55
Just wanted to ask - do they need to be that glossy?
Could they be like satin smooth, like SP SA?
But why do that? It's just gonna shine anyway. Besides, most vintage keycaps of this form factor are shiny.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: deacon on Wed, 16 October 2019, 14:52:19
Just saw this while looking for some more ABS doubleshot Cherry alphas since that has been the best thing I've found so far.

I'd prefer the SA dished sculpturing on a flat board rather than stair step sculpturing on an angled board but then again I only use four rows. These would also be much closer in height to the GMK 1u and 2u convex caps I prefer as thumb keys.

I'm very excited by the prospect of this new profile.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: FellTattooArtist on Sat, 16 November 2019, 01:22:16
The WoB looks gorgeous, before giving it a shot.. how does HSA compares to KAT profile?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: Adelscott on Sat, 16 November 2019, 07:29:11
- ISO (Nor, De, Uk) keycaps are being molded for both CA and HSA.

Would buy with 2 letters added to that list : FR
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: yaus on Tue, 19 November 2019, 14:52:34
Any idea of if there will ever be HSA blanks for sale? Perhaps with support for ergodox style layouts (a few 1.5u and 2u keys)?
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 05 December 2019, 11:42:35
Manufacturers should angle the plate itself? I don't understand your meaning.
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 16 March 2020, 12:32:19
Are stems flush like D/SA keycaps? Might as well have shortened the stems ~1mm too

But in any case, I'd join HSA Beige on Brown if I had seen it - I'd just quickly scrub the keycaps I'm going to use with 2000 grit sandpaper to remove that gloss too - I was wanting a SA set for a while, just for the novelty, might as well make it HSA
Title: Re: HSA, a new keycap profile by JTK
Post by: phinix on Mon, 16 March 2020, 13:21:50
When brown ones will be ready?