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Title: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 11 March 2018, 07:20:51

Original post:
The idea is to offer additional modifier keys for, in my opinion, popular colour schemes.

There will be a total of four different mods, three from the Space Cadet and the Compose key.
Keys will be offered in both R4 (profile B) and R5 (profile A), although I doubt Compose would fit 1u keys.

Keys and profiles proposed.

GMK official render.
(https://i.imgur.com/tTu0JG3.png)

KLE mockup.

(https://i.imgur.com/hj7zjyd.png)

Colour schemes proposed: Classic Beige, White on Black and Dolch.
(https://i.imgur.com/z1DnQvL.png) (https://i.imgur.com/amdsdYO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ZWvKxU0.png)

Should this be successful, I'll be possibly offering the same set in three more colour schemes (Skidata, Olivetti and Black on White).

I haven't asked for a quote yet for I wanna check some interest first.
Also, this won't be run directly by me so I'll be trying to make a deal with a vendor active in the community.

I think it's all for the moment.
Any feedback is warmly welcome.

UPDATE #1:
I've update the title to better depict what I'm trying to do. There will be a total of five different addon packs (although I might merge two into one) for the classic colour schemes shown in the KLE mockup.

UPDATE #2:
I asked GMK for a quote and it should be ready in a few days. For the time being they've sent me the official render.

UPDATE #3:
I received the following quotes from GMK.

Quote

at a MOQ of 150: 61,94€/Set
at a MOQ of 250: 53,80€/Set
at a MOQ of 500: 47,37€/Set

All Prices excluding VAT, Banking Fees, Dispatch.

UPDATE #4:
The gentlemen at CandyKeys agreed to run the GB for me. They will also make contact with proxies for the USA and Asia.
The price for a set will likely be € 80 plus shipping @ MOQ 150.

UPDATE #5:
Set up a survey (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdxCStHOfeA2koxYXV1doGM0fNibEbAksUxhF4wtimMWe3ZmQ/viewform) to gather some feedback on sets and prices.

Updates history
#1: 2018/03/12 09:26 UTC: Updated title; updated KLE mockup.
#2: 2018/03/16 10:30 UTC: GMK render posted. Waiting for the quote.
#3: 2018/03/16 20:10 UTC: Posted GMK quotes
#4: 2018/03/19 13:47 UTC: CandyKeys will run the GB. Price set.
#5: 2018/03/31 10:21 UTC: Survey

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:22:52

As long as it doesn't use custom colors (colors that aren't stocked normally with GMK), it should be fine. Otherwise, I heard that GMK won't run sets under 104 keys if the kit has custom colors.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:35:22

These will be standard colours.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:48:07

I would definitely be in for these.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: jimirolln on Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:00:14

i've thought that mod packs would be a good idea...i am a big fan of the art and icons though...for touch typing...it just feels right

your a god tree...good luck

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: xondat on Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:34:17

Quote from: jdcarpe on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:48:07

I would definitely be in for these.

I'm too lazy to think of a variation of this, but same :p

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: vtachkov on Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:45:08

Hype[r]

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: zekkin on Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:49:51

I need to stock up on 1.5u Super keys. I'm in.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:52:18

I'd be in for a few of these, would love to see other colorways in the future but I think it's a good ideal to keep it simple for now. :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: brianjking on Sun, 11 March 2018, 19:56:09

Interested.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 March 2018, 19:58:34

Definitely joining. I am always interested in buying old sets that are in classic beige and white on black; thus, I need mods to pair them with, so this is a strong yes.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: TerryMathews on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:36:04

Quote from: LightningXI on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:22:52

As long as it doesn't use custom colors (colors that aren't stocked normally with GMK), it should be fine. Otherwise, I heard that GMK won't run sets under 104 keys if the kit has custom colors.

I don't see how that's true unless it was a very recent change. The Watster buy, for example.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:46:17

An addon pack, like this, shall be made in standard colors to pair well with existing sets. Considering any other color is out of the question. I really do not see the relevance in discussing custom colors for this add-on, it is just not part of the OP concept.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: xondat on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:47:42

Quote from: TerryMathews on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:36:04

Quote from: LightningXI on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:22:52
As long as it doesn't use custom colors (colors that aren't stocked normally with GMK), it should be fine. Otherwise, I heard that GMK won't run sets under 104 keys if the kit has custom colors.

I don't see how that's true unless it was a very recent change. The Watster buy, for example.

Wasn't custom color?

TalkingTree, if you need an contact for GMK, PM me :-*

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 04:29:59

I've updated the KLE mockup with GMK colours and keysets names since it, apparently, wasn't clear enough in the first place.
I've also updated the title for the reasons stated in the OP.

Quote from: ideus on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:46:17

An addon pack, like this, shall be made in standard colors to pair well with existing sets. Considering any other color is out of the question. I really do not see the relevance in discussing custom colors for this add-on, it is just not part of the OP concept.

Couldn't have expressed any better myself.

Quote from: xondat on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:47:42

TalkingTree, if you need an contact for GMK, PM me :-*

I'll be requesting the quote to the gentleman at GMK that sent me the sampler ring a few weeks ago.

I'm glad there's some interest in this set. Does anyone have feedback on actual keys?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 09:29:23

I'm not sure what's the target of this gb.

I've bought many old OG winkeyless sets (with four 1.5u bottom row caps). If I wanted to use the caps on a keyboard with a standard layout, how could this benefit me, since it only has 4 1.25u caps?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 09:43:56

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 09:29:23

I'm not sure what's the target of this gb.

I've bought many old OG winkeyless sets (with four 1.5u bottom row caps). If I wanted to use the caps on a keyboard with a standard layout, how could this benefit me, since it only has 4 1.25u caps?

Being it an addon pack, the target is to extend the bottom row by replacing some of the existing mods in a keyset.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 12 March 2018, 09:48:17

Quote from: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 04:29:59

I'm glad there's some interest in this set. Does anyone have feedback on actual keys?

Maybe see what the interest in adding in a 2.25u shift would be, since many GMK kits do not come with an extra L shift. Would be a nice addition for owners of 65% boards that uses them. Not sure what the interest would be on them but as an owner of a few boards that use 2, 2.25 u shifts I'm always finding myself short on them.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 12 March 2018, 10:26:10

It may be beyond the scope of what you are trying to accomplish, but as someone who has several vintage Cherry sets with varying compatibility, I would love to have a kit that has modifiers to fill the bottom row. I know a complete compatibility kit with all modifiers and navigation keys is out of the question, but I would buy something with:

7 x 1.25 unit B profile
4 x 1.50 unit B profile
4 x 1.50 unit A profile
2 x 1.00 unit B profile
2 x 1.00 unit A profile

for each colorway. The Hyper, Super, and Meta legends are cool with me.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 12 March 2018, 11:51:49

2u shift and 1,5u FN would be my suggestions.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: slot demon on Mon, 12 March 2018, 11:55:47

I would buy one or two.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 12:25:36

Quote from: Rob27shred on Mon, 12 March 2018, 09:48:17

Maybe see what the interest in adding in a 2.25u shift would be

Shift keys are out of scope for this is a bottom row addon pack.

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 12 March 2018, 10:26:10

It may be beyond the scope of what you are trying to accomplish, but
More
as someone who has several vintage Cherry sets with varying compatibility, I would love to have a kit that has modifiers to fill the bottom row. I know a complete compatibility kit with all modifiers and navigation keys is out of the question, but I would buy something with:

7 x 1.25 unit B profile
4 x 1.50 unit B profile
4 x 1.50 unit A profile
2 x 1.00 unit B profile
2 x 1.00 unit A profile

for each colorway. The Hyper, Super, and Meta legends are cool with me.

I'm also considering a spacebar addon pack with split keys so I'll take your suggestions into account for that.

Quote from: Poesjuh on Mon, 12 March 2018, 11:51:49

1,5u FN

This is meaningful but I'll wait for the quote before considering adding more keys.

Thank you gentlemen for the feedback so far.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 15:27:54

Quote from: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 09:43:56

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 09:29:23
I'm not sure what's the target of this gb.

I've bought many old OG winkeyless sets (with four 1.5u bottom row caps). If I wanted to use the caps on a keyboard with a standard layout, how could this benefit me, since it only has 4 1.25u caps?
Being it an addon pack, the target is to extend the bottom row by replacing some of the existing mods in a keyset.

Well, being an add-on, you have to start from something. What sets are the sets that you're adding to?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 15:36:02

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 15:27:54

What sets are the sets that you're adding to?

Classic beige, White on Black and Dolch, they are in the OP in the KLE mockup and in the renders.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 16:58:33

Quote from: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 15:36:02

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 15:27:54
What sets are the sets that you're adding to?
Classic beige, White on Black and Dolch, they are in the OP in the KLE mockup and in the renders.

Yeah. I know about the colours, that's clear. What I've been trying to say, and what jdcarpe already said, is that you need to focus on something to add to. Many of us have an OG gmk set, which has only 1.5u keys: are you adding some keys to that sets? It would be very useful to add 7 1.25u keys to that set.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 17:30:02

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 16:58:33

It would be very useful to add 7 1.25u keys to that set.

That's what the RetroAct (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94378.0) is for.
On the other hand, buying two packs of this very set will cover the seven 1.25u you're asking.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 18:56:56

Quote from: TalkingTree on Mon, 12 March 2018, 17:30:02

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 12 March 2018, 16:58:33
It would be very useful to add 7 1.25u keys to that set.
That's what the RetroAct (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94378.0) is for.
On the other hand, buying two packs of this very set will cover the seven 1.25u you're asking.

LOL

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Additional Modifiers Pack
Post by: TerryMathews on Mon, 12 March 2018, 22:04:51

Quote from: xondat on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:47:42

Quote from: TerryMathews on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:36:04
Quote from: LightningXI on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:22:52
As long as it doesn't use custom colors (colors that aren't stocked normally with GMK), it should be fine. Otherwise, I heard that GMK won't run sets under 104 keys if the kit has custom colors.

I don't see how that's true unless it was a very recent change. The Watster buy, for example.

Wasn't custom color?

The Carbon and Nautilus Watsters were both custom colors, unless you're saying GMK doesn't consider it a custom color if they've ever produced that color before. They aren't stock GMK colors.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 12 March 2018, 22:23:41

Great idea! Only thing missing from some of the classic kits. In conjunction with the GMK 1800 expansion kit in IC phase, it looks to be a promising year for only the best colourways ;)

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 16 March 2018, 05:30:15

Updated OP with the GMK render. I'm waiting for the quote.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 16 March 2018, 08:20:55

Received the quote and my noobishness as IC handler comes afloat now. Do you gentlemen think I should/can post them?
Humor me please.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: hansichen on Fri, 16 March 2018, 08:41:22

I guess you got one quote for a set with all three colors?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 16 March 2018, 09:04:36

Post the quote. Intersting things sometimes happens aften mistakes.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 16 March 2018, 15:17:10

Quote from: hansichen on Fri, 16 March 2018, 08:41:22

I guess you got one quote for a set with all three colors?

Correct. One quote for all fiftyfour keys.

Quote from: Giorgio on Fri, 16 March 2018, 09:04:36

Post the quote. Intersting things sometimes happens aften mistakes.

I assume you're right.

Since I would need a vendor to run this, posting the quotes would clearly disclose how much markup they would be asking to handle the group buy. I understand that's a lame thing to do business-wise but I don't think I have any other option since price is always one of the most important variable when buying something.

As stated in the OP, quotes are for the whole set and they don't include VAT, bank fees and shipping to whomever will actually run the GB.
With a rough estimation, I reckon sets will cost around € 80 excluding shipping costs.

Thoughts gentlemen?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: ideus on Fri, 16 March 2018, 15:30:30

Whean is the GB to be opened?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 16 March 2018, 15:47:18

Quote from: ideus on Fri, 16 March 2018, 15:30:30

Whean is the GB to be opened?

If it's a shut up, take my money thing, I adore your attitude. If it's a honest question: as soon as I know the price tag is ok with ~~everyone~~ most of the buyers and as soon as I've found a vendor.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: sth on Fri, 16 March 2018, 16:47:46

oh i am ****in IN breh

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 19 March 2018, 08:52:15

Good news folks,

The gentlemen at CandyKeys agreed to run the GB. The price for the set will likely be € 80 plus shipping at MOQ 150.
CandyKeys will also handle the proxies for US and Asia.
I'll be posting a poll soon, here on DT and reddit, to check wheter the price is ok to the customers.
Eventually, to reduce the price, one option is to drop one colourway from the set and include it in a future second round along with a different scheme.

I'd appreciate if any korean speaker could spread the news in their local communities.

For the time being, big thanks to CandyKeys for the support.
Any thought, as always, is welcome.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: xondat on Mon, 19 March 2018, 08:55:15

Is that with VAT? Seems incredibly high.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 19 March 2018, 08:58:25

Quote from: xondat on Mon, 19 March 2018, 08:55:15

Is that with VAT?

Yes with VAT.

Quote from: xondat on Mon, 19 March 2018, 08:55:15

Seems incredibly high.

I guess the R5 keys are responsible for the high price, but I really want them in the set.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 19 March 2018, 11:35:26

If you need to drop the A-profile keys, that’s okay with me. I know you love your tall bottom row, though. :)

Price without VAT for those of us non-EU types?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 19 March 2018, 11:46:26

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 19 March 2018, 11:35:26

If you need to drop the A-profile keys, that’s okay with me. I know you love your tall bottom row, though. :)

Price without VAT for those of us non-EU types?

ya all GMK quotes are without VAT

i usually add 30% when i get quotes from GMK

10% for contingency and 20% to be split as profit

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 March 2018, 12:10:01

I'd take off the set the A-Profile keys, while they are nice, they are also redundant with B's.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 19 March 2018, 15:06:44

First of all, I'd like to thank you all for being so symphathetic with me at my first IC/GB experience. I clearly lack organization skills and I appreciate you bearing with me.

As for the profile-A, I truly when them to be included because they are the natural bottom row to me. I'm setting up a Google form to gather a few inputs and I'll put it online as soon as I'm ready.

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 19 March 2018, 11:35:26

Price without VAT for those of us non-EU types?

I personally have no idea and I'll let CandyKeys answer that.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 20 March 2018, 04:33:46

I've asked GMK to provide a quote for each single colorway alone. That should reduce the price and allow customers not to buy unwanted keys.
Also, I've been informed that there will be a slight price reduction for they are paying for the tooling.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:00:33

Quote from: TalkingTree on Tue, 20 March 2018, 04:33:46

I've asked GMK to provide a quote for each single colorway alone. That should reduce the price and allow customers not to buy unwanted keys.
Also, I've been informed that there will be a slight price reduction for they are paying for the tooling.

Any news on this?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 28 March 2018, 03:42:03

Quote from: ideus on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:00:33

Any news on this?

I asked GMK quotes for single colour schemes alone and received those.
I'm discussing details with David from CandyKeys (to whom I'm grateful for handling this).
Further details shall be posted soon.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 31 March 2018, 04:23:14

Five minutes of your time to fill in this survey (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdxCStHOfeA2koxYXV1doGM0fNibEbAksUxhF4wtimMWe3ZmQ/viewform) please. I'm gathering some feedback on colours and prices.
Thank you.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: ideus on Sat, 31 March 2018, 09:02:42

The inclusion of A profile along with these special legends, make the set collectible.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 08 April 2018, 04:18:15

Long story short, there's no interest in this addon and the GB won't be run.

Thanks to anyone who filled out the survey. Big thanks to CandyKeys for supporting the idea.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Addon Pack #1: Additional modifiers
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 08 April 2018, 07:22:38

Quote from: TalkingTree on Sun, 08 April 2018, 04:18:15

Long story short, there's no interest in this addon and the GB won't be run.

Thanks to anyone who filled out the survey. Big thanks to CandyKeys for supporting the idea.

This is quite sad news. :( If it'd be considered again, I'll be happy to support it.

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