Ordered.
The Euro price is fixed price, it won't change.I was only wondering because I think it'd be cool to have a full windowed set... But yeah, blanks work too.
Scroll lock... I didn't even think about it to be honest. It's a fairly useless key for 99% I would guess. If you really need windowed one there is blank keys for you to use.
How similar is this to Dolch...?
That is crazy expensive!
Yes, it is not as cheap as many were hoping to be sure. It's an unfortunate side effect of having so many different keys. I tried hard to make it be extremely flexible, and as all encompassing as possible while attempting to keep the costs semi-sane.Ivan I wish you GL with the GB dude, I'm sure you will find some people willing to spend $200+ for a set, but where you going to find 300-400 people to reach the MOQ? I think I already know how this one will end.
That is crazy expensive!
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
If the language is listed, it is whole and not missing anything, though a few languages won't have a few of the usual 3rd legend Alt Gr characters on a few keys due to availability.
I know the cost is a shock to many. Depending on how orders are looking we may end up needing restructuring some of the sets, or cutting down on some things to reduce the cost to make MOQ so we can get something produced. For now, I presented the sets as were discussed during the IC phase.
I'd like to get to an affordable set before adding on "sexy", but that is just me.
This is the high end sports car of Cherry sets no doubt about it. More extras than you can shake a stick at :p
And, honestly, with an MOQ of 400, you really need to aim for more affordable than adding on extraneous caps that a handful of people might use or find sexy. Like I said earlier, this really is coming off as a set that's trying to make everyone happy, but at the expense of cost, which, in the grand scale of things, will make it harder to meet the MOQ.
I'm also confused why you're forced to buy the NAV pack in order to get an Esc key, especially since it's a pack full of stuff that I guarantee you most people will not use.
Yes, it's ABS doubleshot just like the old Cherry stuff. I made the Maybach of Cherry groupbuys... so sorry.
Yes, it's ABS doubleshot just like the old Cherry stuff. I made the Maybach of Cherry groupbuys... so sorry.
Do not ever apologize to us for giving us supreme QUALITY over cheap nastiness.
The opening statement says, " White legends on dark grey and black Cherry doubleshots". However, I look at the five pics and see no grey caps. What am I missing? Is it possible to get a full set mockup to see the contrast of the colors together?
Thanks,
John
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(Attachment Link)We have a 50 page IC thread, I think the price just throw people off.
To be fair to Ivan, this IS the fairest way to set the prices and get the MOQ. I'm assuming those that are complaining are the ANSI english users?
Can anyone put some Dolch mods next to some WoB caps? Would be good to see the contrast.
I'm working up some ideas for 'lite' version to fall on if things are looking too grim. Some things will have to get compromised or sacrificed obviously to make it cheaper, but I will still try best to keep in as many languages and configurations possible.
I'm working up some ideas for 'lite' version to fall on if things are looking too grim. Some things will have to get compromised or sacrificed obviously to make it cheaper, but I will still try best to keep in as many languages and configurations possible.
... I just want all the GMK caps...
(Attachment Link)ivan did a really long and great ic before this group buy
(Attachment Link)ivan did a really long and great ic before this group buy
How many people would be interested in having all those blank caps along with legend caps? Seems like an odd mix: either go mostly blank or have legends for everything. My bad if that was a popular choice, but if you're going to combine everything into one set, might as well skip those blanks?
If you are going for a cut down version to the minimum why not lose all the blanks too?
How much is likely to be saved in doing this?
I like that youre trimming, but would prefer the alts on the number row. Separate the numpad bit! With the GH60 soon, I can see a lot of people not requiring the number pad.you do know a lot of people want the numberpad.... All the sets need to thought out detailed, decided on what to keep and what not to, decided if some languages are removed how many blanks in the proper row and proper side to be included, how many proper modifiers are needed.....
Right, a Balance is what I am trying to do. I still want to keep as much languages and boards compatibility, make some compromises I hope we can live with to make the MOQ. I am only trying to shrink the cost and still keep as much people as possible content with what is available in the end.
I always like to point out, that just because your favorite keyboard is a 75% this week, doesn't mean some killer fullsize you die to have doesn't come out next week and you decide you want to put the groubuy set on that. Well, you don't have enough caps for the whole thing, then what? I know how people can change their favorite stuffs in a heartbeat around this place. Plan for all possibilities! It's better to have more and not need it than have not enough and need it.
Right, a Balance is what I am trying to do. I still want to keep as much languages and boards compatibility, make some compromises I hope we can live with to make the MOQ. I am only trying to shrink the cost and still keep as much people as possible content with what is available in the end.
I always like to point out, that just because your favorite keyboard is a 75% this week, doesn't mean some killer fullsize you die to have doesn't come out next week and you decide you want to put the groubuy set on that. Well, you don't have enough caps for the whole thing, then what? I know how people can change their favorite stuffs in a heartbeat around this place. Plan for all possibilities! It's better to have more and not need it than have not enough and need it.
my opinion is you need 1 set for all or all separate sets will fail at the end.
Correct I know it would majorly suck for some language users that they wont get what they want, but look at it this way, you have 4-5 languages that each language got 4-5 votes, these 20 people that voted for the 4-5 languages add $100 more cost to the full set, now that leaves the rest of the 300+ people with popular languages scratching their head over the $250 dollar price tag for a full set...Right, a Balance is what I am trying to do. I still want to keep as much languages and boards compatibility, make some compromises I hope we can live with to make the MOQ. I am only trying to shrink the cost and still keep as much people as possible content with what is available in the end.
I always like to point out, that just because your favorite keyboard is a 75% this week, doesn't mean some killer fullsize you die to have doesn't come out next week and you decide you want to put the groubuy set on that. Well, you don't have enough caps for the whole thing, then what? I know how people can change their favorite stuffs in a heartbeat around this place. Plan for all possibilities! It's better to have more and not need it than have not enough and need it.
my opinion is you need 1 set for all or all separate sets will fail at the end.
I agree, I think if we can get this to one full set for $150ish it will have a good chance of getting through...
Yeah I'm thinking the same way, it'd be nice to help out as many other regions as possible but you don't want to alienate the ANSI buyers as they're the bulk of the orders.**** men 80% are ANSI users..... 15% the popular European ones and the other 5% well don't even know them. Imagine now I go in and start requiring language pack for my personal language MACEDONIAN that uses weird acupunctures signs in order to melt my languages with the QWERTY..... Yea I should start raising hell why I don't have my language in this GB....
All the various other languages besides US make up a lot more than some of you think, something like 40%. Taking them out will not help us reach MOQ. It doesn't matter if the set is XX% cheaper if there are not enough buyers.
(Attachment Link)We have a 50 page IC thread, I think the price just throw people off.
(Attachment Link)ivan did a really long and great ic before this group buy
Yeah I'm thinking the same way, it'd be nice to help out as many other regions as possible but you don't want to alienate the ANSI buyers as they're the bulk of the orders.**** men 80% are ANSI users..... 15% the popular European ones and the other 5% well don't even know them. Imagine now I go in and start requiring language pack for my personal language MACEDONIAN that uses weird acupunctures signs in order to melt my languages with the QWERTY..... Yea I should start raising hell why I don't have my language in this GB....
All the various other languages besides US make up a lot more than some of you think, something like 40%. Taking them out will not help us reach MOQ. It doesn't matter if the set is XX% cheaper if there are not enough buyers.
Ivan how about you post here the final results of the IC.
post all the languages with the head counts on them and don't forget the ANSI, people want to see the ANSI count, I'm sure there are quite the numbers on UK and DE but how many are for the rest, we want to know if a language pack added is justifiable. Are you accepting language pack with 2-3 votes on it?
EDIT: I'm sorry who Am'I kidding, I probably wont even go for this GB since I have my Dolch coming in, but numbers are numbers and this is what they show:
- Pleasing the 10% minority language pack people = cost of set with shipping $200-250
- Pleasing 90% of people and partially pleasing 10% = cost of set with shipping $130-150
If this are not the % numbers then what are they? post the head count language packs from the IC form you had.
If you don't like how the GB is run, you don't join.
This is why I am not ordering any of these.
If you don't like how the GB is run, you don't join.
This is why I am not ordering any of these.
The IC thread shows a lot of people are interested in this GB. People are just trying to help make it a successful GB, that's all.
So a full ANSI set will cost $168+ shipping???that's right, but if you don't want any blank key in the set, it will be $217+shipping
So a full ANSI set will cost $168+ shipping???that's right, but if you don't want any blank key in the set, it will be $217+shipping
No, those people want just a standard ansi set through SP with cherry fonts
1 person happy does not = what the rest will do!!! what tree you've been sitting for the past 10 years?Yeah I'm thinking the same way, it'd be nice to help out as many other regions as possible but you don't want to alienate the ANSI buyers as they're the bulk of the orders.**** men 80% are ANSI users..... 15% the popular European ones and the other 5% well don't even know them. Imagine now I go in and start requiring language pack for my personal language MACEDONIAN that uses weird acupunctures signs in order to melt my languages with the QWERTY..... Yea I should start raising hell why I don't have my language in this GB....
When you run your own group buy, you do that... I'm happy with what Ivan is offering, even at the current price.
No, those people want just a standard ansi set through SP with cherry fonts
"Those people" will make MOQ 400.
1 person happy does not = what the rest will do!!! what tree you've been sitting for the past 10 years?Yeah I'm thinking the same way, it'd be nice to help out as many other regions as possible but you don't want to alienate the ANSI buyers as they're the bulk of the orders.**** men 80% are ANSI users..... 15% the popular European ones and the other 5% well don't even know them. Imagine now I go in and start requiring language pack for my personal language MACEDONIAN that uses weird acupunctures signs in order to melt my languages with the QWERTY..... Yea I should start raising hell why I don't have my language in this GB....
When you run your own group buy, you do that... I'm happy with what Ivan is offering, even at the current price.
So why don't you run an ansi only GB?
So why don't you run an ansi only GB?
Why don't you run an Italian ISO only GB? :)
In all this years this is the first multilingual GB, you feel you're missing something?
I've bought many ansi sets here and never rant about that.
You have all you can want and now show this rage?
Really i can't understand you, sorry.
you guys are funny, you all realize that MOQ is 400 right? LOOL Its not about whats fair, nothing ever is fair..... What really matters is reaching the 400 MOQ by breaking few hearts here and there, or make every body happy $250 per set and see if you can get 400 orders at that price range.+1.
you guys are funny, you all realize that MOQ is 400 right? LOOL Its not about whats fair, nothing ever is fair..... What really matters is reaching the 400 MOQ by breaking few hearts here and there, or make every body happy $250 per set and see if you can get 400 orders at that price range.+1.
The vortex much "hated" PBT DS keycaps should have been a good example.
So many haters around here but sold out (205 in just 2-3 days!!)
you guys are funny, you all realize that MOQ is 400 right? LOOL Its not about whats fair, nothing ever is fair..... What really matters is reaching the 400 MOQ by breaking few hearts here and there, or make every body happy $250 per set and see if you can get 400 orders at that price range.+1.
The vortex much "hated" PBT DS keycaps should have been a good example.
So many haters around here but sold out (205 in just 2-3 days!!)
They sold well because: A. They were double shot PBT, something that is virtually non-existent, B. a surprising number of people didn't mind the legends or actually liked them, and C. they were dirt cheap at $40 shipped. As such, more people were willing to try them out and see if they liked them since the cost of entry was so low for an uncommon good. At close to $250 for a complete set once you factor in shipping, this set is being tossed into the luxury realm, an area where you're generally lucky to hit 50 orders. Keep in mind that at these prices, you could buy two full GMK made sets from Sherry at Originative. As much as I like the colors of the Alphas, I'd rather buy a complete usable set from Originative than just a total set of Alphas, of which I won't use 1/3 of the caps, for the same price.
And while it might be nice to have some cap options for those with special layouts, you really can't expect people to want to subsidize it for a small minority who often have a hard time hitting MOQs of 50 in a GB when it drives the price of a set price to well over $200.
So a full ANSI set will cost $168+ shipping???
So a full ANSI set will cost $168+ shipping???
where are the people that were ****ting on sherry again? that claimed GBs were going to be faster and cheaper?
oh that's right. nowhere, because they are idiots.
also, as much as it sucks, ISO/language sets have always been a problem since very few people buy them. and as stated already, it's not fair for people to pay for keycaps they arent going to use just because 10 people want them.
that's why I went with Sherry's Dolch, and I'm already lined up for the Handerbeit.
also, as much as it sucks, ISO/language sets have always been a problem since very few people buy them. and as stated already, it's not fair for people to pay for keycaps they arent going to use just because 10 people want them.
also, as much as it sucks, ISO/language sets have always been a problem since very few people buy them. and as stated already, it's not fair for people to pay for keycaps they arent going to use just because 10 people want them.
So putting 4 caps in a separate Group (the famous iso set) "have always been a problem"?
Really until now you have your house full of those useless iso sets?
How much money you have paid to please that 10 people until now?
And...surprise! I have bought 2 gmk sets from Originative.
Can someone tell me what until now you have missed, what terrible injustice you have had to suffer from that 10 people to justify this hate?
Without cutting people out, you can't seperate it much more. Sad thing is, the ANSI users have spoken and they aren't in the mood for community spirit.
It's Ivans choice at the end of the day.
Was hoping for something to get excited about...
Of course, it seems like some of you xenophobic ****tards get angry when even suggest offering anything but US ANSI. I don't understand you people. I mean fine I get you don't want to pay some extra amount to help everyone get their MOQs but seriously...
if we removed some languages and we loose 100 buyers and can't reach MOQ or we have to pay $20 extra, which scenario is better?
Was hoping for something to get excited about...
It's exciting BECAUSE it can join up with any coloured Modifiers that you have. I think this colour coupled with the previous Purple wonders would look superb.
Never think that boring colours are dreadful, ONLY myopic morons wanting BRIGHTLY coloured keys need look elsewhere. This colour is for men, not for babies looking to be entertained above their heads.
Was hoping for something to get excited about...
It's exciting BECAUSE it can join up with any coloured Modifiers that you have. I think this colour coupled with the previous Purple wonders would look superb.
Never think that boring colours are dreadful, ONLY myopic morons wanting BRIGHTLY coloured keys need look elsewhere. This colour is for men, not for babies looking to be entertained above their heads.
Just seems like a waste of an opportunity IMO if you want dark cherry caps there are plenty to pick from if your willing to work for it. The language options are nice and I'm happy about that.
Though I didn't suggest the need it want for brightly coloured keys...
Was hoping for something to get excited about...
It's exciting BECAUSE it can join up with any coloured Modifiers that you have. I think this colour coupled with the previous Purple wonders would look superb.
Never think that boring colours are dreadful, ONLY myopic morons wanting BRIGHTLY coloured keys need look elsewhere. This colour is for men, not for babies looking to be entertained above their heads.
Just seems like a waste of an opportunity IMO if you want dark cherry caps there are plenty to pick from if your willing to work for it. The language options are nice and I'm happy about that.
Though I didn't suggest the need it want for brightly coloured keys...
Honestly I think the only way we'll ever hit MOQ on more adventurous colors is to keep the price low and sell small packs rather than full sets. Purple mods and CMYK were a good example, the low price meant a lot more people were willing to jump on board and quite a few bought multiples.
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.I also have an idea: If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ISO get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.I also have an idea: If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ISO get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
See what I did there?
Or rather, see what you did there?
This ANSI/ISO bullshiit has to stop. Those are just physical layouts, not language layouts...
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
thats done in every normal groupbuy and the result is....that ANSI users get their standard keycap set and everyone else just dont buy it, because no one wants a half baked set of keycaps with dozens of blanks. In 7bit's R4 the orders between ANSI and non-ANSI users were 50/50. In yr suggested GB the orders will be splitted as usual....90/10....guess why?
Absolutely dont understand all the whining here. You get more than 200 keys which can be used on nearly every frickin Layout (hello GH60, hello Phantom). Of course its more expansive this way. If you just want the very limited standard sets, there are other sources for. This GB is intended to make lots of unique and non-standard keycaps available and not to find the smallest compromise in terms of economical sense. Yes, there will be keys which you dont use....guess what...thats intended! If you feel bad about this you might want to stick around somewhere else.
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
thats done in every normal groupbuy and the result is....that ANSI users get their standard keycap set and everyone else just dont buy it, because no one wants a half baked set of keycaps with dozens of blanks. In 7bit's R4 the orders between ANSI and non-ANSI users were 50/50. In yr suggested GB the orders will be splitted as usual....90/10....guess why?
See what I highlighted there? Furthermore, comparing this GB to 7bit's is completely pointless. GMK's MOQ is a million times worse than SP.Absolutely dont understand all the whining here. You get more than 200 keys which can be used on nearly every frickin Layout (hello GH60, hello Phantom). Of course its more expansive this way. If you just want the very limited standard sets, there are other sources for. This GB is intended to make lots of unique and non-standard keycaps available and not to find the smallest compromise in terms of economical sense. Yes, there will be keys which you dont use....guess what...thats intended! If you feel bad about this you might want to stick around somewhere else.
I don't care how much this set costs. I will buy it regardless. The problem is finding 400 people who are willing to do the same. If we don't get 400 people then NO-ONE gets a set.
Considering how passionate people are about this I'm not hearing a lot of solutions from many others. Plenty of negativity though.
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
thats done in every normal groupbuy and the result is....that ANSI users get their standard keycap set and everyone else just dont buy it, because no one wants a half baked set of keycaps with dozens of blanks. In 7bit's R4 the orders between ANSI and non-ANSI users were 50/50. In yr suggested GB the orders will be splitted as usual....90/10....guess why?
See what I highlighted there? Furthermore, comparing this GB to 7bit's is completely pointless. GMK's MOQ is a million times worse than SP.
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
thats done in every normal groupbuy and the result is....that ANSI users get their standard keycap set and everyone else just dont buy it, because no one wants a half baked set of keycaps with dozens of blanks. In 7bit's R4 the orders between ANSI and non-ANSI users were 50/50. In yr suggested GB the orders will be splitted as usual....90/10....guess why?
See what I highlighted there? Furthermore, comparing this GB to 7bit's is completely pointless. GMK's MOQ is a million times worse than SP.
Yes, the MOQ is a problem....nothing new. Just wanted to show you what will happen if you make a GB like you suggested. Reducing it to standard ANSI, I would recommend to cancel this GB at all. Commercial resellers can do this job better, there is no need than for such a GB.
EDIT: I've had another idea. If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ANSI get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.I also have an idea: If this all goes pear shaped and we can't hit MOQ, why not just do normal sets and then allocate a certain number of dollars per set for blanks in each row to cover other layouts? Those who just want ISO get it and then you've got a pool of blanks to hand out to those with different layouts to fill. Probably crazy but it's an idea all the same.
See what I did there?
Or rather, see what you did there?
This ANSI/ISO bullshiit has to stop. Those are just physical layouts, not language layouts...
hmmm that's pretty lean - nice job at going for a viable 'lite' base :)
hmmm that's pretty lean - nice job at going for a viable 'lite' base :)
Yep, looks good. I count 110 keys, if we can get a language pack that comes in around 100 keys I think we have a winner. Reducing the pack by 100 or so keys should definitely help bring the price down to a reasonable spot.
Definitely agree on bringing it all together as one set as well.
I do like the idea of supporting the other language packs but I don't like the idea of forcing people to buy keys they don't want.
hmmm that's pretty lean - nice job at going for a viable 'lite' base :)
Yep, looks good. I count 110 keys, if we can get a language pack that comes in around 100 keys I think we have a winner. Reducing the pack by 100 or so keys should definitely help bring the price down to a reasonable spot.
Definitely agree on bringing it all together as one set as well.
Actually 108 keys, since I removed the options of the placement for the Caps lock - CTRL I removed them both ways. There are maeby 5 people at the most who will use this and bumps the price at least $15 because modifiers are expensive and they are not ordinary modifiers.
In order to bust down some prices small changes can be made, so far I'm just playing around with the modifiers and navs since alpha can not be trimmed any more. I also removed some more bling, like the R4 windowed blank and R4 Fn key because we are leaving the R4 x1 blanks and they are 3 of them, plenty for the Cheat layout and Raptor/1800 versions of the Cherry boards. Leaving the R1 x1 windowed blanks because they are lots of Duckies boards out there with the 4 extra keys above the numpad and they all have LED's.... possibly there will be more boards like that coming out seem to be popular, also TrikX has them keys too, not many TrikX boards but at least 25 of them, and who knows how many boards Ducky sold in 108 format, thousands?.....hmmm that's pretty lean - nice job at going for a viable 'lite' base :)
Yep, looks good. I count 110 keys, if we can get a language pack that comes in around 100 keys I think we have a winner. Reducing the pack by 100 or so keys should definitely help bring the price down to a reasonable spot.
Definitely agree on bringing it all together as one set as well.
Actually 108 keys, since I removed the options of the placement for the Caps lock - CTRL I removed them both ways. There are maeby 5 people at the most who will use this and bumps the price at least $15 because modifiers are expensive and they are not ordinary modifiers.
Fair call. I'm a CTRL swapper myself but everyone has to make small sacrifices :)
Ivan you are the GB leader, you do what you think is best and what you believe will make feel people feel comfy to order. I see you did some trimming and if people are ok with it than great. But fact is the trimming I did in the modifiers and Navs it pretty much kicked down $50+.....Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Cony4FK.jpg)
Smallest can be made with shifted punctuations numrow without starting to strip out languages.
Can we live with this usability wise? I'll have the pricing later which is obviously still going to be a determining factor.
Nothing will be removed from the MOD pack. Those things are in there for a reason, either for necessity or because there was a lot of request for them and the savings there would be very small.
From my experience, you set a reasonable time table on orders and if it doesn't reach the MOQ then it probably won't. Also not having a hard time table, makes people less likely to order because they tell themselves they will do it later, but don't usually.
Vendors are welcome, as I said before I think. If manufacturers used GMK we wouldn't have to try and organize groupbuys to replace their **** quality keycaps they do use.
The last GMK buy had a 2month order collection, which was extended because MOQ had not been met, and still wasn't technically when it ended since we got a 1 time break on it from GMK.
Believe me, I have done a lot of begging and pleading for GMK to make their MOQ less, but I am fairly sure they never will.
Ivan you are the GB leader, you do what you think is best and what you believe will make feel people feel comfy to order. I see you did some trimming and if people are ok with it than great. But fact is the trimming I did in the modifiers and Navs it pretty much kicked down $50+.....
Something tells me you want the modifiers, maeby I'm wrong but when people pleaded with you to leave the standard Cherry Window key on the PBT dyesub set you plain and simple said NO, I like Win8 logo and that's the way it stays.
Why don't you get 2 price tiers? price for having all mods and navs as they were and price with trimmed navs and mods.
Your trim and my trim should bring down the prices quite reasonably
I do like the idea of supporting the other language packs but I don't like the idea of forcing people to buy keys they don't want.
Welcome to the world of the non ANSI user
Blanks 1.25 are pretty important for JIS and useful as Fn keys on many keyboards too. The windowed keys and spacebars added €10 over the price we paid last time. I suppose we can remove the black spacebars, but I really wouldn't want to take away anything else.as some people think and as you said so earlier removing some keys they are practically free. I honestly doubt that, I moved away pretty much all the bling keys, all the repeating keys but still kept all possible layouts, no layout was left behind me thinks.
I'm starting to feel like the only way I can do this, is to list each goddamn key separate... It's like the only way some of you will be happy at all with anything.
Blanks 1.25 are pretty important for JIS and useful as Fn keys on many keyboards too. The windowed keys and spacebars added 10 over the price we paid last time. I suppose we can remove the black spacebars, but I really wouldn't want to take away anything else.
I'm starting to feel like the only way I can do this, is to list each goddamn key separate... It's like the only way some of you will be happy at all with anything.
The last GMK buy had a 2month order collection, which was extended because MOQ had not been met, and still wasn't technically when it ended since we got a 1 time break on it from GMK.
Believe me, I have done a lot of begging and pleading for GMK to make their MOQ less, but I am fairly sure they never will.
In my opinion, Ivan was right with his decisions on how the different sets should look and how they were seperated. A lot of reasonable thought went into this, and it was discussed at legth in the IC thread. I vote for trying to do this GB exactly as Ivan proposed it and see where we get MOQ-wise.
What I see here are mainly people who are trying to make it cheaper by slimming it down in the direction of the set they are interested in. I'm against these compromises. I find it especially unhelpful if people who only use ANSI standard layouts and are catered to by Originative and every single GB on this board are trying to slim this GB down. That is not what this one is about. For me, this alpha set as well as the Mod set are about the people who have more special wishes helping each other out to reach MOQ.
Also, this GB isn't mostly about the full set. It's mostly about the modules. Many people will only want a full flexible Mod set, or a ful international alpha set to combine with existing caps.
Also, this GB isn't mostly about the full set. It's mostly about the modules. Many people will only want a full flexible Mod set, or a ful international alpha set to combine with existing caps.
I got pricing for the big unified alpha pack which would be 71 / $96.
The other thing we could do ...
What do you think about this plan?
It may or may not be a problem... I think many of the people are not buying because there is too much extra stuff (they don't want to pay this much), or too much things they want cut. It's really insanely hard to get anything workable, like wrangling rabid cats.
It may or may not be a problem... I think many of the people are not buying because there is too much extra stuff (they don't want to pay this much), or too much things they want cut if we went for the unified alphas with all language. It's really insanely hard to get anything workable, like wrangling rabid cats.Ivan give this GB the original run, try with the way you started it in the first place, all the different packs no fat trimming anywhere and see where you end up after a month.
Just curious, would anyone be upset if they only had windowed caps lock keys and none without windows? That right there is probably another $2 off.
I was also thinking most people that swap caps lock and control are probably so used to it that they don't need to actually have the legends for it. Just an idea, they all add up.
Just curious, would anyone be upset if they only had windowed caps lock keys and none without windows? That right there is probably another $2 off.
I was also thinking most people that swap caps lock and control are probably so used to it that they don't need to actually have the legends for it. Just an idea, they all add up.
The legend on the windowed capslock is printed, not shot -- I assume a good number of people prefer fully doubleshot legends to having the light shine through better.
And, most people who use a keyboard are probably so used to it that they don't need legends at all, so why not just make this a blank set :p
This is true. We should add $0.99 to all the prices. Makes things easier to digest.
Ivan have you posted this over on DT?
Probably blinded by the shine of all of this, but I don't see any prices for the new options ... ?
I will have pricing on these shortly.
Thanks, I hadn't seen that.I will have pricing on these shortly.
soon!
Ordered.
(Re-ordered, actually, but that's just me being pedantic.)
Re-ordered, you're the man Ivan. Keep us posted on MOQ for the language kits, if they're struggling I may order one to try and help them through.
I can't find price, Ivan :((
I can't find price, Ivan :((
Any news from GMK lysol? I want to work out what I can afford!
Also any comment on extra space bars?
Also any comment on extra space bars?
We are done making changes of any kind...
Ivan, i think that you should split numpad invidual because there are more people only use TKL keyboard. So they only take less money to join GB. If that happen, more people response :)
Ivan, i think that you should split numpad invidual because there are more people only use TKL keyboard. So they only take less money to join GB. If that happen, more people response :)
Ivan, i think that you should split numpad invidual because there are more people only use TKL keyboard. So they only take less money to join GB. If that happen, more people response :)
No, it's a small increase in price to make sure that the kits meet MOQ.
Sorry if this has been already answered. Is there any spacebar that fits the Leopold 660? And when the prices will be available?No but there is a way around for anything. Here is a link for stem modification http://imgur.com/a/3mWPe
Sorry if this has been already answered. Is there any spacebar that fits the Leopold 660? And when the prices will be available?No but there is a way around for anything. Here is a link for stem modification http://imgur.com/a/3mWPe (http://imgur.com/a/3mWPe)
Yes I agree, between full size and stand alone numpad user I think it is a lot of people. On the selfish side I also want to keep the amount of different kits down, because these things need to be packed as kits then to your individual order. Less options means less mistakes both in the 'what do I need to order here?' and on my side during packing.
Current revised sets pricing updated in OP.
Italian was removed in whole. Everything else was simply reorganized.
Original prices:
Alpha base set generic price 46
US/GB/JA/BR/MX language pack price 36
EURO language pack 40
MODIFIER pack price 41
NAV pack price 36
(I hope I get the correct idea about the colors based on this pic)
http://i.imgur.com/MiyS6cY.jpg
1. the grey alphas will be the same color as the ones of the Dolch set (i.e "grey").
2. But the Mod will be in "WoB" instead of the Dolch ones in "Darker Grey"
Am I getting it right? Thanks!
There are mock ups in the OP...
Ivan can we get an order count in the OP please?
I do not understand why don't you make a full dark grey set...instead of ugly black mods.
Can we call this set dark dolch?
Can we call this set dark dolch?
That's totally cooler than "GMK white/dark grey/black mulitlanguage set"
I'll be calling it dark dolch, even if nobody else does.
Prices look better now than before, for example if your after full set this is what you will pay after shipping and fees more/less:I believe that a full ansi set would be:
- ANSI full set_______________________________ $170
- Full set + Japanese/Portuguese/Spanish________ $215
- Full set + German/Nordic ____________________$211
- Full set + GENERIC__________________________$204 (this assuming your language pack didn't make into production due to low count on orders)
Looks better than before me thinks.
Prices look better now than before, for example if your after full set this is what you will pay after shipping and fees more/less:I believe that a full ansi set would be:
- ANSI full set_______________________________ $170
- Full set + Japanese/Portuguese/Spanish________ $215
- Full set + German/Nordic ____________________$211
- Full set + GENERIC__________________________$204 (this assuming your language pack didn't make into production due to low count on orders)
Looks better than before me thinks.that makes it $155 - or am I missing something? :-X
- BASE with US/GB Price: 42 / $57
- MODS Price: 37 / $50
- NAV Price: 35 / $48
350 more to go.... :-X
My eyes aren't what they used to be. To get the black space bars, one needs to order the generic pack?
Does anyone want to sell me their escape key? I don't want 30 extra keys just to get an escape key lol. I guess I could use the tiny backspace key as an escape button..
Does anyone want to sell me their escape key? I don't want 30 extra keys just to get an escape key lol. I guess I could use the tiny backspace key as an escape button..
Do you just need a black on white cherry escape key?
Sorry if it's obvious, but is there a way to check what I'd submitted if I didn't note down the "edit" link the first time?
In this set, are the dark grey alphas the same color as the dark grey mods in a regular Dolch kit?
In this set, are the dark grey alphas the same color as the dark grey mods in a regular Dolch kit?
Yep.
Hi, I am interessted mostly in the modifier set. Anyone from EU interessted in trading the ANSI portion of the set for another ISO? I live in Germany but use ANSI and a trade would allow me to buy one modifier set and use it for 2 keyboards with the keys I already have.
Hi, I am interessted mostly in the modifier set. Anyone from EU interessted in trading the ANSI portion of the set for another ISO? I live in Germany but use ANSI and a trade would allow me to buy one modifier set and use it for 2 keyboards with the keys I already have.
I can trade with you. PM me at your convenience, we have awhile :p
Hi, I am interessted mostly in the modifier set. Anyone from EU interessted in trading the ANSI portion of the set for another ISO? I live in Germany but use ANSI and a trade would allow me to buy one modifier set and use it for 2 keyboards with the keys I already have.
I can trade with you. PM me at your convenience, we have awhile :p
Dan, since when do you want more ISO stuff and give away your ANSI keys?
:p
Or am I misunderstanding something here? I am confused :confused:
My eyes aren't what they used to be. To get the black space bars, one needs to order the generic pack?
That's correct.
Are you interested in splitting the generic pack? I actually only want the grey F1-F4 and F9-F12 keys :)
Ok I will put my order noq. Its a bit expensive, over 250. But I can live with that. There is no moq on this gb right? :)There is, and it is actually a very high one - 400 :eek:
I'm keen to split my generic pack as well. I only want the F1-F4 and F9-F12 keys and the windowed key.
After some negotiating I was able to get a small price reduction of 3%. It's not much but it's something.
Please try and spread the word and help us get more orders to reach moq.
Just submitted a new slightly bigger order to replace my earlier one.
A bit surprised the mod orders are outpacing the base ones, but everyone uses their caps differently I guess.
I will probably just cancel, maybe revisit trying to do full set again at some later time.
I hate GMK's large MOQ. I don't think I can say this enough.
Have you tried dealing with them in the like of having a moq of 400 but for 2 sets? Like you must still reach their moq of 400 but they are flexible enough to accommodate you into having a total of 400 but for 2 different sets combined?
Would be interesting going with what Bunny said.
I believe you can do MOQ of 200 if you guys really like. It won't be that hard.
I believe you can do MOQ of 200 if you guys really like. It won't be that hard.
We might be able to get 200 orders but how to convince GMK to lower from 400 to 200?
I believe you can do MOQ of 200 if you guys really like. It won't be that hard.
We might be able to get 200 orders but how to convince GMK to lower from 400 to 200?
Tell them that you are willing to pay the price at a 75-90% mark up. I believe this is the only way to get a MOQ of 200.
An other option is to put the language packs to one pack togehter. So we have two pack, an alpha pack and a language pack.
And additionally breakdown the MMQ to all packs to 200.
I know that the prices get higher but this is a realistic chance to reach the MMQ.
Therefore we should just make nice ANSI sets and include the 4 ISO keys in it and maybe a Mini-Tsangan Kit (1,5x Mods + 7x Spacebar + stepped Capslock). No more no less.
In my opinion every GMK GB should only have 1 reasonable option without any special keys to please vocal minorities. This it what harms IvanIvanovich's GMK GBs in my opinion.
Splitting things up harms everybody because it gets harder for every single set to reach MOQ.
Yeah, I totally agree with Bueller here.
To qoute myself from Deskthority:QuoteTherefore we should just make nice ANSI sets and include the 4 ISO keys in it and maybe a Mini-Tsangan Kit (1,5x Mods + 7x Spacebar + stepped Capslock). No more no less.
In my opinion every GMK GB should only have 1 reasonable option without any special keys to please vocal minorities. This it what harms IvanIvanovich's GMK GBs in my opinion.
Splitting things up harms everybody because it gets harder for every single set to reach MOQ.
I think we should try a new approach next time.
I am thinking of offering a single 99$ set.
The base will be a fullsize 104key ANSI set plus the 4 ISO keys and whatever keys we could squeeze in there to stay under the "magical" 100$ limit.
It's actually sad that this is seems to be the only way to go, because I gotta say I'm not interested at all in just another ANSI set with ISO figlets...
It's actually sad that this is seems to be the only way to go, because I gotta say I'm not interested at all in just another ANSI set with ISO figlets...
They are not willing to make lower MOQ at this time period. Technically I could increase the price to match the ordered amount divided out of the cost of 400... but that is not really reasonable either now is it?
Simply it looks like there is not enough interest at this price to get it done this time, even if there was a basic 104 set I don't think even that would make it either.
Basically no. I'm not going to make it into something I don't even want. If all the things I want are also taken away I have no desire to run it.
There was plenty of interest for other languages in the IC, they just didn't come back to make an order in most cases. Having Dolch happen with originative between starting the IC and getting it actually underway was likely also very unhelpful to this buy.
If I start over it's not going to be for full set, but some smaller things. I will keep trying to persuade GMK to let us order smaller amounts and until that happens (if ever) I don't think I will attempt full sets again.
f I start over it's not going to be for full set, but some smaller things. I will keep trying to persuade GMK to let us order smaller amounts and until that happens (if ever) I don't think I will attempt full sets again.
Price plays big role, high price = low numbers of sales, and GMK wants 400 MOQ. While the sets look good, for me would cost me to get the 104 ANSI around $180 shipped, same money + $30 more I'll have 2 sets from Sherry. Was nice to see Lysol try something different, maybe he should stick to small things.
Price plays big role, high price = low numbers of sales, and GMK wants 400 MOQ. While the sets look good, for me would cost me to get the 104 ANSI around $180 shipped, same money + $30 more I'll have 2 sets from Sherry. Was nice to see Lysol try something different, maybe he should stick to small things.
If too many are phased by the price being close to $180.00USD then why doesn't he only propose a single build of ALPHAS only. That way the ones who have already bought the Purple Mods would have an upcoming set of alphas to go with them. It'll be small and the slacker GMK can't complain about anything. The price would/should be affordable and everyone can win.
I wouldn't say this Group Buy is dead just yet but it can be re-configured for the paupers, to jump on in and buy a set or two.
1. People didn't want to have a purple 2 tone set finished, no matter what the 2nd tone color was going to be, but there were more purple keys to be made in order to make it full set so people thought a 2 tone retro stle board that have purple for modifiers + navs would look stupid.
1. People didn't want to have a purple 2 tone set finished, no matter what the 2nd tone color was going to be, but there were more purple keys to be made in order to make it full set so people thought a 2 tone retro stle board that have purple for modifiers + navs would look stupid.
That would only be your opinion. Please provide this "so-called" evidence proving that no one wants Dolch like Alphas to go with the Purple Mods?
All I'm saying it keeps the cost down by only producing the alphas and for those that have the purple's have something resembling a complete key-set. This hatred of Purple seems to be your own preference.
Anything stupid according to you (then please look at some of the colourways in the Group Buy section of this forum) should be ignored yet Geekhack is about choosing something that goes with our Cherry Keyboards. The Purple mods go easily with the Black or Dark Grey alphas like with just about any other colour that could of been chosen.
Since you hate colour so much I bet you're not buying into Sherryton's Handarbeit set?
1. People didn't want to have a purple 2 tone set finished, no matter what the 2nd tone color was going to be, but there were more purple keys to be made in order to make it full set so people thought a 2 tone retro stle board that have purple for modifiers + navs would look stupid.
That would only be your opinion. Please provide this "so-called" evidence proving that no one wants Dolch like Alphas to go with the Purple Mods?
All I'm saying it keeps the cost down by only producing the alphas and for those that have the purple's have something resembling a complete key-set. This hatred of Purple seems to be your own preference.
Anything stupid according to you (then please look at some of the colourways in the Group Buy section of this forum) should be ignored yet Geekhack is about choosing something that goes with our Cherry Keyboards. The Purple mods go easily with the Black or Dark Grey alphas like with just about any other colour that could of been chosen.
Since you hate colour so much I bet you're not buying into Sherryton's Handarbeit set?
Yup, I love my Purple mods and would kill for some Dolch alphas to accompany them!
I'm not declaring it dead quite yet.
If it's not dead then I'll be ordering
If it's not dead then I'll be ordering
I like that, if it's not dead then I'm ordering.........if you don't order then it's dead, right ??? ?
Besides if no one bothers to get involved by signing up Ivan has no choice but to drop it, due to LACK OF INTEREST.
It won't kill you to sign up and even if the time comes to pay up, make up some lame excuse and scurry away like a few do in real life, here on Geekhack ;) .
But I'll just pretend that I didn't knew better that u were trolling us.
as far as I care you can have DS GMK vag!na on your ISO enter key,
as far as I care you can have DS GMK vag!na on your ISO enter key,
PLEASE show us your DS GMK Vag!na ISO enter key 8) . I'll buy it straight away.
Any cut down set would need Alt Gr keys as well, thats a deal breaker for me and a lot of other ISO users I'd imagine.
I can live with Alt Gr and I'm sure people would not mind having that instead of Alt only.
Any cut down set would need Alt Gr keys as well, thats a deal breaker for me and a lot of other ISO users I'd imagine.
AltGr or just Alt why in hell makes difference, its still the Alt key.............. but here specially for you I made this, I can live without just the Alt key, AltGr is perfectly fine for me and will do the job. As you see dude, you jump in over 1 key and saying oh this is a deal breaker for me, then you have another 15 dudes wanting special keys and sets skyrocket to $170 shipped over a bling keys, and that's where the GB fails... I can live with Alt Gr and I'm sure people would not mind having that instead of Alt only.
Can someone tell me WTF is the difference from Alt Gr to Alt only, does your Alt Gr have different role beside the Alt function?Hey, you seem to be a real keyboard expert ... Yes, on ISO layouts, AltGr is a different key from Alt and does different things. They are not interchangeable at all. AltGr opens a new level of characters much like Shift does (e.g. to get @, I have to press AltGr+Q, and it doesn't work with Alt+Q ), while Alt has the same function as on ANSI boards, which in most cases is not to create a different character but to execute a command, like Alt+F4. There is no righthand Alt on ISO layouts.
Can someone tell me WTF is the difference from Alt Gr to Alt only, does your Alt Gr have different role beside the Alt function?Hey, you seem to be a real keyboard expert ... Yes, on ISO layouts, AltGr is a different key from Alt and does different things. AltGr opens a new level of characters much like Shift does, while Alt has the same function as on ANSI boards. Alt+[key] in most cases doesn't create a character but executes a command, like Alt+F4.
It's not gone... it's just not going to move quickly. Working on making a deal with GMK (not at liberty to discuss the details) but if it happens will have to push production back to sometime in Q1 next year.
In the end, we're not winning. We may get this set made, but what good does it do? We're not really proving to GMK that we're a customer that means business, just that we want things. Maybe they'll find time to drop us into the queue once a year or so, huh?You can't know their calculation at all. I don't buy their current "we have so much to do we hardly have any time for you" story at all. If they had any real higher volume customers for Cherry tooling doubleshots, we would be seeing keyboards in the first or second hand market here in Europe to prove it. Haven't seen anything except Skidata.
In the end, we're not winning. We may get this set made, but what good does it do? We're not really proving to GMK that we're a customer that means business, just that we want things. Maybe they'll find time to drop us into the queue once a year or so, huh?but its not like you can convince people to join the GB just for the sake of proving GMK that we are good customers. Prices on the sets are on the hefty side, many extra keys but also price will go up cause of it, and that's why we don't see order numbers going up.
The reason I'm putting this on the backburner until Q1 is for totally other reasons.
The reason I'm putting this on the backburner until Q1 is for totally other reasons.
No worries, because it's not like there are no other Group Buys to get involved in... right?
Just take your time Ivan because you do know, we will always be here (scary isn't it) :thumb: .
I would be willing to throw down for a full 122 key set but there aren't F13 - F24 key options. Everything else is covered.
Who are they making caps for? There is next to nothing on the market right? They should make small volume stuff to get up the interest and than that might get a keyboard manufacturer to make a big order like Filco caps made by SP
I am still wondering how Originative can have a retail price between $90 and $100 and this GB to get a full set the price would be 180+
his MOQ is the same as this GB, 400.
I don't know if this has been suggested or not, however, would it be possible to combine, base + mods + nav, this might come under $100, maybe? If yes, then adding a lang pack to it would still be cheaper, than someone getting a lang pack + mod + nav.
Just throwing an idea to hit MOQ earlier if at all.
No they have been stagnant since mid November.
I would love to keep try to offer the language packs and all the extra stuff, but there is just not enough orders to try and maintain doing so.
No they have been stagnant since mid November. I'm going to see what I can do to make more streamlined cheaper set in January. I'm thinking of doing full dark grey base set with US/GB winkey/winkeyless ANSI/ISO set and separate black mods/nav and see what that does?
I would love to keep try to offer the language packs and all the extra stuff, but there is just not enough orders to try and maintain doing so.
I've been trying to negotiate for some things to happen which is why I put it in hold. After I find out if it can happen the plan is to
Make 1 set complete white/dark grey US/GB ANSI/ISO 101/102/104/105 ultra basic no extra alternate keys with $100 maximum target price.
Make 1 white/black mods+nav+function pack with less extra keys more basic selection.
I've been trying to negotiate for some things to happen which is why I put it in hold. After I find out if it can happen the plan is to
Make 1 set complete white/dark grey US/GB ANSI/ISO 101/102/104/105 ultra basic no extra alternate keys with $100 maximum target price.
Make 1 white/black mods+nav+function pack with less extra keys more basic selection.
This sounds really good!
I'll be in for one of each :)
I've been trying to negotiate for some things to happen which is why I put it in hold. After I find out if it can happen the plan is toSounds good, as much as I love GMK I don't see language sets happening with them
Make 1 set complete white/dark grey US/GB ANSI/ISO 101/102/104/105 ultra basic no extra alternate keys with $100 maximum target price.
Make 1 white/black mods+nav+function pack with less extra keys more basic selection.
I've been trying to negotiate for some things to happen which is why I put it in hold. After I find out if it can happen the plan is to
Make 1 set complete white/dark grey US/GB ANSI/ISO 101/102/104/105 ultra basic no extra alternate keys with $100 maximum target price.
Make 1 white/black mods+nav+function pack with less extra keys more basic selection.
I've been trying to negotiate for some things to happen which is why I put it in hold. After I find out if it can happen the plan is to
Make 1 set complete white/dark grey US/GB ANSI/ISO 101/102/104/105 ultra basic no extra alternate keys with $100 maximum target price.
Make 1 white/black mods+nav+function pack with less extra keys more basic selection.
I've been trying to negotiate for some things to happen which is why I put it in hold. After I find out if it can happen the plan is to
Make 1 set complete white/dark grey US/GB ANSI/ISO 101/102/104/105 ultra basic no extra alternate keys with $100 maximum target price.
Make 1 white/black mods+nav+function pack with less extra keys more basic selection.
It doesn't hurt to place order, even though knowing it's going to change it still helps me gauge general interest. Pretend base is full white/grey set and mods is white/black patch kit. Other options will be invalid (unless some huge interest keeps the language kits alive).
Future: FULL set will be ALL white/dark grey so that will have white/dark grey mods, nav, function same color as alpha numerics.
Separately, there will be white/black patch kit similar to what is shown presently as Mods+nav+function in a more cut down cheaper form.
Future: FULL set will be ALL white/dark grey so that will have white/dark grey mods, nav, function same color as alpha numerics.
Separately, there will be white/black patch kit similar to what is shown presently as Mods+nav+function in a more cut down cheaper form.
you give options for 2 sets in one GB, sure more options is good for the buyers but reaching MOQ on both at the same time not sure about that one. Not everybody will sign up for 2 sets, I think keep it as it is dark/grey 2 tone, the more sets you present the more you tearing up the community and people cant make up their mind, im talking about the majority that have to order only 1 set.
In general if each set has less caps each, it will be cheaper and MOQ may be reached easier.
Regarding mods considering these are WoB, interested parties may already have the necessary keys to fit an standard ANSI board, but 1 full touch caps-lock key with centered stem, a 2.75u right shift, and 7 1.25u mods. I think these keys could make a small, cheap and very appealing set.
Basic moogle set:
1 Full touch caps lock with centered stem
1 Right shift in 2.75u
2 control key 1.25u
2 alt key 1.25u
2 win key 1.25u
1 menu key 1.25u
Extended moogle set:
1 Full touch caps lock with centered stem
1 Right shift in 2.75u
2 control key 1.25u
2 alt key 1.25u
2 win key 1.25u
1 menu key 1.25u
1 Left shift in 2.25u
1 blank key 1u
2 black key 1.25u
Mod set to fit the full set in dark grey
1 Full touch caps lock with centered stem
1 Right shift in 2.75u
2 control key 1.25u
2 alt key 1.25u
2 win key 1.25u
1 menu key 1.25u
1 Left shift in 2.25u
1 blank key 1u
2 black key 1.25u
1 Enter
1 back space
1 esc
1 back slash
.... and the control's/alt's can be sourced from EK.
.... and the control's/alt's can be sourced from EK.
IF you want them in red, blue, green or yellow....
.... and the control's/alt's can be sourced from EK.
IF you want them in red, blue, green or yellow....
That was what I thought when I read this first. Well maybe some want their boards for an airline's desk.
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Combine MODS+NAV+FUN + 6.25 and 7 spacebar
Grey set will be same keys as above + base as it is now in the OP
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Generic pack might stay with some editing as well (pretend all keys is same grey base).
More better?
I just went back and checked the prices and it amazes me that this hasn't got more orders than it does. Here's some reasons why this is totally worth the $148 for Base + Mods + nab:
1. I really wanted a WoB set so I bought two original sets through classifieds. Those two have already cost me over $80 (one was NIB) and I still don't have a spacebar to go with it. PLUS I've spent I don't know how much time on classifieds looking for the missing key = a lot of frustration. This GB saves you tons of frustration.
2. For that $148 you get a comprehensive set that will fully populate not just the board that you're using right now, but any board you may want to sit in front of: 60%, TKL, TK, TK + The four extra keys like Ducky. You buy this and you'll never have to worry about running to Classifieds again and again just to find one little ole' key.
3. This price may be steep, but unless you get in on the GB, the prices are only going up from there.
4. It's GMK. So totally worth it it's not even funny.
Disclaimer: yes I totally want this set to make MOQ because I already have an order in.
I will clean it all up real soon, or probably better yet lock this thread up and start a new one.
So... I got initial quote on the full white on grey mono unified set. How does 88 / $122 sound? It's not as low as I would have liked, but it is still about $40 cheaper than the current base+mods+nav.
I will clean it all up real soon, or probably better yet lock this thread up and start a new one.
So... I got initial quote on the full white on grey mono unified set. How does 88 / $122 sound? It's not as low as I would have liked, but it is still about $40 cheaper than the current base+mods+nav.
I will clean it all up real soon, or probably better yet lock this thread up and start a new one.
So... I got initial quote on the full white on grey mono unified set. How does 88 / $122 sound? It's not as low as I would have liked, but it is still about $40 cheaper than the current base+mods+nav.
If you offer it in January people will have some christmas money and a fresh keyboard budget for 2014!
And if you make it to Febuary, people that celebrate Lunar New Year like us would appreciate much :p
And if you make it to Febuary, people that celebrate Lunar New Year like us would appreciate much :p
Just hope that Ivan gets the MOQ required, because currently the poor guy is failing to meet any 400 levels just yet on any orders. GMK key-caps are a delight to type with and currently using them on my LZ-GH keyboard, pure god-like usability :thumb: .
Well due to the MOQ I am not sure about any deadline. Will probably just have to be a it closes when we reach that affair.
Here is new simplified 88 set. It will be all white on dark greyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/uWIhwvB.png)
I am still waiting revised quote for simplified extras (generic pack) add on and additional white/black mods/nav/fun simplified.
Here is new simplified 88 set. It will be all white on dark greyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/uWIhwvB.png)
I am still waiting revised quote for simplified extras (generic pack) add on and additional white/black mods/nav/fun simplified.
I am still waiting revised quote for simplified extras (generic pack) add on and additional white/black mods/nav/fun simplified.
Don't worry, those stay. I mean there will only be one each row C left, not 2. Only things that will have 2 of same left will be Control and Windows.
I will post whenever I get pricing update for the revisions.
I will post whenever I get pricing update for the revisions.
Initially the delete a/ legend couldn't be located but it has been found so it will be that instead of the incorrect backspace <x] legend.They have that as a doubleshot legend? Awesome! I love these graphical legends, and delete is one of the nicest.
Hard to say what will be done in future. Need to get this and the mini packs sorted out first.Can't you add in mods kit?
Forget mockups etc
Offer free random colour spacebars and it will hit MOQ :p
Ivan
I hope you will add 1.75 right shift to base kit
How do these compare colour-wise with the base Dolch set?
Same colour as Dolch mods? Wow - it looks a lot lighter than the mods...
Dolch pic from OriginativeShow Image(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/1905/products/IMG_1267_1024x1024.jpg)
Pic from Post #1Show Image(http://deskthority.net/w/images/4/46/G80-1824.JPG)
Same colour as Dolch mods? Wow - it looks a lot lighter than the mods...
Dolch pic from OriginativeShow Image(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/1905/products/IMG_1267_1024x1024.jpg)
Pic from Post #1Show Image(http://deskthority.net/w/images/4/46/G80-1824.JPG)
Yeah Dolch colors are really tough to get pics of.
Ivan, what's the new deadline for this group buy? Or we just need to hit the MOQ?
Due to my negotiations we now have a new target MOQ of 250 sets instead of 400. We can do this, get some more orders in!
Due to my negotiations we now have a new target MOQ of 250 sets instead of 400. We can do this, get some more orders in!
gmks exact wording is this
From now on we are able to offer MOQ of 250 pcs. Exceptions are blank and LED keys, these keys still have a MOQ of 400pcs
this is for everyone so there should be lots of nice gmk love coming soon
gmks exact wording is this
From now on we are able to offer MOQ of 250 pcs. Exceptions are blank and LED keys, these keys still have a MOQ of 400pcs
this is for everyone so there should be lots of nice gmk love coming soon
gmks exact wording is thisChristmas has came early!
From now on we are able to offer MOQ of 250 pcs. Exceptions are blank and LED keys, these keys still have a MOQ of 400pcs
this is for everyone so there should be lots of nice gmk love coming soon
gmks exact wording is thisChristmas has came early!
From now on we are able to offer MOQ of 250 pcs. Exceptions are blank and LED keys, these keys still have a MOQ of 400pcs
this is for everyone so there should be lots of nice gmk love coming soon
Amazing this is looking like it's going to happen!
Nice negotiating :)
Yeah this really will look good with the purple mods, although the Nav Pack is missing.
Maybe with the lowered MOQ Ivan can make a purple Nav Pack happen. I don't think it's too unlikely that 250 out of the 400 purple orders are also interested in more purple love :)
True with lowered MOQ the possibility of revisiting the white/purple nav pack becomes again more probable. Will do an IC again for it with next minipacks.
I suppose will just double up the windowed lock keys and do an alternate legends. I know some people are not big fans of the lock icon so this can be convenient. I am sure it will add a little to the price, but probably not too much. I will have to wait to get that answered. If it's too much then I will just replace it with regular doubleshot versions of those so we can keep the price.
True with lowered MOQ the possibility of revisiting the white/purple nav pack becomes again more probable. Will do an IC again for it with next minipacks.
I suppose will just double up the windowed lock keys and do an alternate legends. I know some people are not big fans of the lock icon so this can be convenient. I am sure it will add a little to the price, but probably not too much. I will have to wait to get that answered. If it's too much then I will just replace it with regular doubleshot versions of those so we can keep the price.
Ivan,
I'm dying for a purple nav pack.
Hopefully you include a |/ key and esc key in purple for 60 percent boards.
Please IC this. :)
There will also be an add on pack with a number of blanks, extra windowed function keys, some relegendable, A profile mods... 1x mods, etc. I just haven't gotten the quote for it yet so I can't update the form properly... I just left that in as a placeholder.White on black set with separated bottom row orderability and individually ordered spacebars, dont want to pay for a complete set for just spacebar and winkeyless bottom row modifiers.
Basically it will be an add on for all the 'deluxe' things that were cut for cost savings out of the main kit plus some. Now with the lower MOQ it is even more feasible to cater to some of the want list as options.
There will also be an add on pack with a number of blanks, extra windowed function keys, some relegendable, A profile mods... 1x mods, etc. I just haven't gotten the quote for it yet so I can't update the form properly... I just left that in as a placeholder.White on black set with separated bottom row orderability and individually ordered spacebars, dont want to pay for a complete set for just spacebar and winkeyless bottom row modifiers.
Basically it will be an add on for all the 'deluxe' things that were cut for cost savings out of the main kit plus some. Now with the lower MOQ it is even more feasible to cater to some of the want list as options.
And a white on purple modifiers rerun please but with ALL the modifiers on a keyboard (F5-F8, arrow keys, ins delete etc. and numpad enter plussign asterisk etc.)
But the purple keys that wasnt in the original groupbuy should be ordered separately so that people that already have a white on purple wouldnt have to pay for the same keys again.
And a white on purple modifiers rerun please but with ALL the modifiers on a keyboard (F5-F8, arrow keys, ins delete etc. and numpad enter plussign asterisk etc.)
There will also be an add on pack with a number of blanks, extra windowed function keys, some relegendable, A profile mods... 1x mods, etc. I just haven't gotten the quote for it yet so I can't update the form properly... I just left that in as a placeholder.
Basically it will be an add on for all the 'deluxe' things that were cut for cost savings out of the main kit plus some. Now with the lower MOQ it is even more feasible to cater to some of the want list as options.
Ivan, am i still on the list from when it originally started last year?
New GB to celebrate the lower MOQ:s.There will also be an add on pack with a number of blanks, extra windowed function keys, some relegendable, A profile mods... 1x mods, etc. I just haven't gotten the quote for it yet so I can't update the form properly... I just left that in as a placeholder.White on black set with separated bottom row orderability and individually ordered spacebars, dont want to pay for a complete set for just spacebar and winkeyless bottom row modifiers.
Basically it will be an add on for all the 'deluxe' things that were cut for cost savings out of the main kit plus some. Now with the lower MOQ it is even more feasible to cater to some of the want list as options.
And a white on purple modifiers rerun please but with ALL the modifiers on a keyboard (F5-F8, arrow keys, ins delete etc. and numpad enter plussign asterisk etc.)
But the purple keys that wasnt in the original groupbuy should be ordered separately so that people that already have a white on purple wouldnt have to pay for the same keys again.
Are these demands for this GB or for a new GB?
Are there some shots available where we can see the dark gray used here next to default black keys?
Ah based on the 'real life' example pic I thought the colour would resemble CC.
N9 is what the Dolch mods are, which is what I intended to do from the beginning. If everyone prefer CC we can do that instead.
We went from 155 to 137 sets in the last couple days. I suppose it's due to the Korean Dolch buy? I'm really wondering if this will ever make it. I think it's kind of funny sad since for $10 more you get a MUCH larger set here.
N9 is what the Dolch mods are, which is what I intended to do from the beginning. If everyone prefer CC we can do that instead.
We went from 155 to 137 sets in the last couple days. I suppose it's due to the Korean Dolch buy? I'm really wondering if this will ever make it. I think it's kind of funny sad since for $10 more you get a MUCH larger set here.
N9 is what the Dolch mods are, which is what I intended to do from the beginning. If everyone prefer CC we can do that instead.
We went from 155 to 137 sets in the last couple days. I suppose it's due to the Korean Dolch buy? I'm really wondering if this will ever make it. I think it's kind of funny sad since for $10 more you get a MUCH larger set here.
I would much prefer N9. Maybe we should do a poll for the color? That Korean Dolch GB is rediculously pricy IMO.
Dolch alpha is CC
Well help spread the word around again outside of here, and maybe we can get interest back up again so we can make it happen.
i'm not joining either of the dolch gb.
mainly because:-
Ivan's dolch
- i prefer N9 mods and CC alphas
- i'm yet to accept the insert pagedown cluster symbols :))
Korean's dolch
- insane price
- no numpad
a question though, ivan's gb includes windowed key but still at 250 moq whereas the korean needs 400 moq for windowed key, why the difference?
i'm not joining either of the dolch gb.
mainly because:-
Ivan's dolch
- i prefer N9 mods and CC alphas
- i'm yet to accept the insert pagedown cluster symbols :))
Korean's dolch
- insane price
- no numpad
a question though, ivan's gb includes windowed key but still at 250 moq whereas the korean needs 400 moq for windowed key, why the difference?
The windowed keys are still at 400, we're just going to order extras to meet MOQ.
Right the windowed keys will get doubled up and use an alternate legend for those that don't like the lock icon.
How many people really hate the nav cluster? We can change it to text version if it will help.
Right the windowed keys will get doubled up and use an alternate legend for those that don't like the lock icon.
How many people really hate the nav cluster? We can change it to text version if it will help.
It's on the honor system really. There isn't much reliable way to check for ballot stuffing with googledocs. Even if I add forum username field, it doesn't stop people from voting again and simply making something up/using sock puppet account names and so on.
Even still, I will decide in the end what changes if anything especially if I don't think a result feels right.
Ivan, this may be a crazy idea, but is there any chance for your GB to join purchasing power with the Korean's? At the end it is just economy of scales, that may benefit all the interested parties.
Ivan, this may be a crazy idea, but is there any chance for your GB to join purchasing power with the Korean's? At the end it is just economy of scales, that may benefit all the interested parties.
But your talking about completely different colorways, legends, etc.
This buy has been open world wide from the start, just as always. I have no clue why there has been next to zero support/interest from the Koreans. There was next to none on the CMY Esc / spacebars either. As of lately 95% of all orders in my buys have been from North America and Europe.
Why is the poll not having an option like "do you prefer 2 tone or monotone?"
CC as alpha kit, N9 as mod kit pleaseeee!
Why is the poll not having an option like "do you prefer 2 tone or monotone?"
CC as alpha kit, N9 as mod kit pleaseeee!
Probably due to this existing GB http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54181.0
CC has taken the lead on color in a big way.
Sorry but i don't understand "CC". Can you talk clearly?
Thanks your anwser :)Sorry but i don't understand "CC". Can you talk clearly?
Usually CC refers to keycaps made by ClickClack. But in the case of this thread, it's a color code of GMK plastic. See the photo Ivan posted on page 21 for more detail.
Currently there is a 3 way tie on legend style between current, US style, and symbol mods / text nav. CC has taken the lead on color in a big way. There is not any real consensus on what you all would like for any add on pack.
Indeed, it is a tough thing to change anything once a buy has been running in attempt to gain more orders... wrong moves will cause some to leave and we end up in the same spot again. I will probably be much more likely to make very minor changes which will hopefully make more happy and not upset many. I think the most likely change will be to the nav to text based. It's probably the safest small change and seem to have a reasonable amount of support. If that happens I may move the symbol nav to the extras pack so it can still be had for an additional cost.
I will probably be much more likely to make very minor changes which will hopefully make more happy and not upset many. I think the most likely change will be to the nav to text based.
For future buy... whenever both is possible for interest and cost I think we can do it. Some of us like one kind of legend style, others like another... sometime we need to make a compromise too so we can all get to MOQ together to have anything made at all. I will do more intensive interest checks in the future to help determine these kind of topics. Ideally I would like to get to a point where key/legend selection is more or less set for full sets, and it will be the same each buy, just change colorway. Then we can do mini packs for more special kinds of things and kind of alternate back and forth on full set and mini packs.Ok i see. Thanks :)
How about this;
Keep N9 complete set with whatever legends
Add option for CC alpha keys set
BINGO - dolch if you want it
or vice versa on the alpha key colour as the standard if still can't make the MOQ...
All key is doubleshot legend except windowed key. Only windowed key have a pad printing.
I get the line of thinking on offering an alternate alphas... but then we have 2 set with same MOQ... and almost double price. Now... maybe I would be more inclined to do something like that with bright blue, orange, bright green... something DIFFERENT. I get Dolch is a popular favorite... but I wish we could do new thing and not same old same old.
I could get behind any of those options, I love my purple mods and think a red or orange set would be awesome!
See exactly... this entirely was my line of thinking for this very neutral all uniform base set. You get this base set, then in the future we can make smaller packs of colorful keys to mix and match. It will look good with anything but perhaps black/beige.
Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/06/5e9etyha.jpg)
Off topic: I wish to see this too, something like dolch but blueeeee!
See exactly... this entirely was my line of thinking for this very neutral all uniform base set. You get this base set, then in the future we can make smaller packs of colorful keys to mix and match. It will look good with anything but perhaps black/beige.
Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/06/5e9etyha.jpg)
Off topic: I wish to see this too, something like dolch but blueeeee!
PURPLE MODS!
then i can have my dream set!
as proof, i took a screenshot of my desktop screen.
i got the wallpaper from this forum, but i can't recall where or who does this belongs to :(
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Off topic: I wish to see this too, something like dolch but blueeeee!
I get the line of thinking on offering an alternate alphas... but then we have 2 set with same MOQ... and almost double price. Now... maybe I would be more inclined to do something like that with bright blue, orange, bright green... something DIFFERENT. I get Dolch is a popular favorite... but I wish we could do new thing and not same old same old.
That looks pretty cool on modifiers key imo. :) maybe have that as extra set in the future GB.Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/06/5e9etyha.jpg)
Off topic: I wish to see this too, something like dolch but blueeeee!
Oh you mean like the Scitex... notice it function keys?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/x25De1j.jpg)
I was thinking something like that for a gamer set add on.
Voicing support for Scitex F-row. Why not try something different?I think we should do Scitex F-row in next mini pack. Some people like it and others not like. Just my opinion :)
if i understand this correctly, these will be cherry profile? i have concerns, because thick PBT cherry profile caps grind on costar stab wires. dunno about these ABS doubleshots.
I think it looks like now we will stick with N9 like I originally planned, switch the nav cluster to text and call it good... For add on pack there is not really that much interest in many of thing I proposed. It looks like if anything it will be extra top row windowed keys, doubleshot lock key alternates and maybe a gamer pack.
I think it looks like now we will stick with N9 like I originally planned, switch the nav cluster to text and call it good... For add on pack there is not really that much interest in many of thing I proposed. It looks like if anything it will be extra top row windowed keys, doubleshot lock key alternates and maybe a gamer pack.
switch the nav cluster to text and call itgood...bad..
I just realized how good this set would look with my purple mod set so I'm in.This is Generic pack which ivan posted: http://i.imgur.com/SlZ4ylV.jpg
One question: Whats the difference between the full pack and generic pack in the order page?
So what will be the color being used for this set? :-X
Generic pack isnt offered anymore really. I only left it as place holder for any add on pack... it will be different, but about same amount of keys and same cost probably. It look like from poll votes it will transform into a 'gamer' set with N5 legend like the scitex function row key in the OP photo.so will there be another form to re-submit or just fill in the current form?
Ivan, has the order count changed at all since Feb 2?
When the MOQ was damn near halved I thought that this buy would just run away and get there with no hassle at all - I really don't understand why people aren't interested! GMK caps are sooo nice and you're getting an awesome set here for a ridiculously good price...
When the MOQ was damn near halved I thought that this buy would just run away and get there with no hassle at all - I really don't understand why people aren't interested! GMK caps are sooo nice and you're getting an awesome set here for a ridiculously good price...
Same here, but it looks like the POWER of SP. They still capture the lion-share of noobs here on Geekhack. They see bright colours and sure enough like moths to flame, they're attracted.
Very few have ever bought/used GMK keycaps, probably due to all the special conditions required by them to even initiate a production of any keys. As long as SP is running on here as well then there will always be a failure to meet GMK MOQs. Maybe through massive propaganda over the years SP has on Geekhack that persuades everyone to purchase their key-sets, I don't really know why GMK is largely ignored.
Just goes to show, give them quality and that won't even be enough to lure them in. I suspect this will keep on happening regardless of anything else, maybe dropping the MOQ down to 100 may encourage more buyers......... who knows ?
Ivan, has the order count changed at all since Feb 2?
- I really don't understand why people aren't interested! GMK caps are sooo nice and you're getting an awesome set here for a ridiculously good price...
Once I have the add on pack pricing and mock up, and the small change on the nav cluster I am going to set an end date. Either it happens or it doesn't. No sense in continuing to flog a dead horse.
This buy has been open world wide from the start, just as always. I have no clue why there has been next to zero support/interest from the Koreans. There was next to none on the CMY Esc / spacebars either. As of lately 95% of all orders in my buys have been from North America and Europe.
Unfortunately it's pretty hard to convince any vendor to make any large purchase on these... I can't offer any price break since I am offering them at exact cost and most of them seem too worried about being able to move them with a mark up.maybe in the future, this can be a simple White on Black instead of grey full set with add-ons. i think WoB are always in demand. :)
I think it's because most Koreans don't know this GB. They knew first generic pack, nav pack and etc GB but they don't know that GB has changed. But I think there is already GMK Dolch GB now. So, I don't know if people would participate in this.
See exactly... this entirely was my line of thinking for this very neutral all uniform base set. You get this base set, then in the future we can make smaller packs of colorful keys to mix and match. It will look good with anything but perhaps black/beige.
Unfortunately it's pretty hard to convince any vendor to make any large purchase on these... I can't offer any price break since I am offering them at exact cost and most of them seem too worried about being able to move them with a mark up.maybe in the future, this can be a simple White on Black instead of grey full set with add-ons. i think WoB are always in demand. :)
For used you can find them very easy often starting at $15. I do plan to make a small white/black in next mini packs for the harder to source keys that people want though. Probably just a very small selection like fulltouch caps lock, 1.5 mod, 1.25 mod, spacebars.
opss, thank you for pointing that out. guess that i was not looking for them hard enough.Unfortunately it's pretty hard to convince any vendor to make any large purchase on these... I can't offer any price break since I am offering them at exact cost and most of them seem too worried about being able to move them with a mark up.maybe in the future, this can be a simple White on Black instead of grey full set with add-ons. i think WoB are always in demand. :)
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought that WoB are pretty easy to come by and for much less than $120 - I bought a set a while ago for ~$60 (admittedly that had a moogle kit with it and so wasn't complete but it was half the price) - what you're getting here is something that isn't available / isn't widely available...
Just make a new thread with fresh orders, make a hard deadline of ~6 weeks or something and put the words "NO MORE CHANGES!" in big ass letters in the OP. Everybody who then proposes little changes should get banned from the thread :p
Maybe it works - maybe not. Just my 2 cents on this...
But no matter how this GB ends, I still wanna say "Thank you!" for the work you already put into this!
But no matter how this GB ends, I still wanna say "Thank you!" for the work you already put into this!
It's always been my plan to go back and forth between full set and smaller specialty things. For super common colorways I just don't see the point in offering more than the really hard to get bits. I would much prefer to concentrate on trying to make a success out of new colorways or more obscure repros than trying to fight against the used market with easy to get things like white/black and black/beige that can be found for low price on ebay or taobao practically any day.+1 much respect to you sir.
Yes you can still fairly easily find brand new G80 with white/black for far less... and that is for a whole damn keyboard, not just keycap set. It's also easy to find them on G81 though obviously not as good a bargain since the keyboard is essentially garbage. For used you can find them very easy often starting at $15. I do plan to make a small white/black in next mini packs for the harder to source keys that people want though. Probably just a very small selection like fulltouch caps lock, 1.5 mod, 1.25 mod, spacebars.
Just make a new thread with fresh orders, make a hard deadline of ~6 weeks or something and put the words "NO MORE CHANGES!" in big ass letters in the OP. Everybody who then proposes little changes should get banned from the thread :p
But no matter how this GB ends, I still wanna say "Thank you!" for the work you already put into this!
Elrick, I don't always agree with you, but your posts always leave me entertained.
Some people here need to be head-kicked and put out of their misery immediately
FINE! That's it!!! I will change the set to bright green legends on red keys and only offer it in Serbian, and if you don't like it too damn bad. You will buy 10 sets anyway. What's that? You're colorblind? FINE! It's a grey blank set, like it!
/humor
Am I like the only person that associates red and green with Freddy Kruger before christmas?
I'm at a loss as to why this isn't more popular...
Some people here need to be head-kicked and put out of their misery immediately
Lol - good answer :)) I don't get it - this set will be an awesome colour, will look great on any board of any colour, will be compatible (legend colour-wise) with the purple mods from last year & the CMYW mods coming up soon and will be super thick quality and yet only just over 100 odd sets have been ordered!Why not? Because just not hit MOQ? or other reason?
Sets are now 100% final. There will be NO FURTHER CHANGES. Order deadline is set. It's do or die.
N9 keybase (same as Dolch modifier), CP (white) legend / N5 (blue) legend. Legends are in the pictures. :p
Sets are now 100% final. There will be NO FURTHER CHANGES. Order deadline is set. It's do or die.
Sets are now 100% final. There will be NO FURTHER CHANGES. Order deadline is set. It's do or die.
Sets are now 100% final. There will be NO FURTHER CHANGES. Order deadline is set. It's do or die.
Could we get a final picture of what the legends will look like now then?
Greate!
I hope this item reach MOQ.
Good luck!
You should advertise this GB in the Korean Forums as well.
Since your Dolch GB already reached MOQ it wouldn't harm your own GB.
This one provides nice GMK keycaps for a low price - more people should join! :thumb:
I've never been able to figure out a way to share the sheet without personal info... I can make a copy without that info but it doesn't update along with the 'real' order sheet. For the most part it's just as convenient to look someone up on my sheet and reply them...
So in answer no you do not have an order currently.
Although I really want a two tone set, I put in an order over the weekend to support this awesome group by.
Hopefully Ivan will have another run of awesome mod packs (purple gmk hint hint) later.
We just had a groupbuy for spacebars... it was pretty popular it may happen again later.
How difficult would it be to do a separate group buy for 6u space bars that would match this colour? Does Signature Plastics have a colour option that matches?
I think they have 2x shift... but I am not adding anything more on this buy. Maybe next time it can be included if enough people want it.
Oh... I missed the part about 6unit. GMK told me they don't have that, Cherry kept it.
Come on people! Order! Might have to change my order to have 2 of these but no pbt if this doesn't move closer to moq...
A ton of love still needed for this to get its way through. Come on guys.
Dolch sets will always cause a ruckus when a GB comes up, they're one of if not the most popular Cherry sets. It's just a shame that they launched their set just as we got GMK's MOQ down to 250, I have a feeling we lost a lot of orders to their GB.
I don' think people realize the potential of this set for mixing and matching in the future.
I don' think people realize the potential of this set for mixing and matching in the future.+1
I don' think people realize the potential of this set for mixing and matching in the future.+1
I think that all people participate this group buy is realize that :))
I don' think people realize the potential of this set for mixing and matching in the future.+1
I think that all people participate this group buy is realize that :))
Perhaps I should have said all the people who are choosing NOT to participate :D
I don' think people realize the potential of this set for mixing and matching in the future.+1
I think that all people participate this group buy is realize that :))
Perhaps I should have said all the people who are choosing NOT to participate :D
Why are they choose? to sale? or other?
I don' think people realize the potential of this set for mixing and matching in the future.+1
I think that all people participate this group buy is realize that :))
Perhaps I should have said all the people who are choosing NOT to participate :D
Why are they choose? to sale? or other?
I meant I should have said,
I don' think the people who are not participating in this group buy realize the potential of this set for mixing and matching in the future.
Indeed there is such huge potential on a set this neutral. It will work well with any white on X color or any X color on N9 anything that exists (like Skidata) or that could be done in the future.
If it can get to production both I think it would be fun to mix match it with my Skidata set... orange, blue and white legends :))
I'm desperate for this buy to happen :( If only I had the money I'd buy 100 sets and then sell them on at a profit *evil laugh*
Well, the current Dolch GB might not happen outside of Korea because the OP doesn't respond here anymore.Yep, hope we early hit moq
Maybe we can get some of these orders...
I'm desperate for this buy to happen :( If only I had the money I'd buy 100 sets and then sell them on at a profit *evil laugh*
Yeah, I also feel there is no risk involved in buying a 2nd set and then resell it later for the same price or even a little profit, but I don't think everybody can afford to double his order...
If they GMK Dolch buy doesn't recieve an update soon I will buy a set here instead :thumb:
Or do it like me and buyIf they GMK Dolch buy doesn't recieve an update soon I will buy a set here instead :thumb:
Or do it like me and be in both GBs :p
Or do it like me and buyIf they GMK Dolch buy doesn't recieve an update soon I will buy a set here instead :thumb:
Or do it like me and be in both GBs :p
Exactly. I fear the high price at the outset may have scared people away even after the sets were reworked.
Agreed, it would be better if we stick to the original idea, a dark dolch set which has dark grey alpha base and black mod, the mono tone is way less attractive, and not that much people realize the value of the mix-match things in the set...Exactly. I fear the high price at the outset may have scared people away even after the sets were reworked.
Personally I think it's the mono scheme that's holding us back. I can see exactly what Ivan was going for as this set would be great for mixing and matching but for people who don't already have GMK stuff it's probably less attractive. The Dolch set killed us as well.
I'm becoming so depressed yet with another doomed GMK Group Buy >:( >:( >:( >:( .
What the hell is going on here, every time we try to reach for the stars on a Group Buy we end up eating our shorts in humiliation. No key-sets for us, from Germany :'( .
Makes you want to strip a pole cat and shove it down your pants for some serious wake up call on any GMK buy ins....... Is there something we are doing that always delivers cow patties into our faces here?
Why is it that grabbing some decent Cherry Key-caps is so indecently difficult to achieve?
I feel pretty bad that Ivan negotiates a lower MOQ and his set is the one that doesn't actually make it, while the Dolch GB(s) does.
I have no idea if it on any Korean forum... I don't go on them. I did have it posted on KBDmania but it was deleted... so I just deleted my account instead of fighting with them. If anyone wants to spread it elsewhere please do so.
I have no idea if it on any Korean forum... I don't go on them. I did have it posted on KBDmania but it was deleted... so I just deleted my account instead of fighting with them. If anyone wants to spread it elsewhere please do so.
South Koreans hate Americans and anyone from there gets next to no acknowledgement. Even us lot (aussie-convicts) get no recognition so I wouldn't worry about it. They have their own unique world planned out in that region and are happy never to share or invite anyone into it.
I know this Group Buy looks like aborting but at least you tried Ivan and no one can accuse you for doing anything less. Just the power of SP is so GREAT and it's like trying to paddle out against a tidal wave of popularity. You just can't win for now. Maybe in the future the noobs will want to try some GMK goodness but currently there is little taste for it here at this time.
SP is only good about color, young style. About use, GMK - imsto is the best and SP is like sh!t, thickness of SP is very thin
Vΰ đ!t con mẹ mΰy thằng Elrik
Actually, all you need to do is tack a CC/Brobot pack to this and the people will flock to it.
I see we have an optimist in our ranks :p
Maybe we should start a poll and ask who is willing to buy a second set.
If I knew this way we reach MOQ I would do so in a heartbeat. It's like 100% certain we all will be able to sell the extra set again a couple of days/weeks after we got the keys. When people start to see the real sets they will finally understand how awesome this color scheme is for mix 'n' match.
agreed, just lock this thread and start a new IC :p
agreed, just lock this thread and start a new IC :p
Honestly I see less and less of a point in IC threads for GMK orders. People just argue over unnecessary rubbish and insist they're not going to order if they don't get their way even though we all know they will. There's also the lost time, better off just starting a GB with a 1 month deadline, if it makes it then awesome. If not then start another GB and roll the dice.
I suppose it's hard finding a happy medium, if you leave the IC thread open too long then chances are some responders aren't even interested anymore. Leave it open not long enough and people miss the thread.
If Ivan can come up with a nice 2-tone color scheme set before Ctrl-Alt launches their first GMK GB we have chance to get "low price" GMK set.
If Ivan can come up with a nice 2-tone color scheme set before Ctrl-Alt launches their first GMK GB we have chance to get "low price" GMK set.
The trick here is to actually have run a working GMK Group Buy that includes all the keys necessary to fill a normal Cherry type keyboard. I don't care about the cost too much just as long as we actually have conducted a successful Group Buy in which GMK takes our money and starts physically making them.
Is that too much to ask for in this day and age?
The trick here is to actually have run a working GMK Group Buy that includes all the keys necessary to fill a normal Cherry type keyboard. I don't care about the cost too much just as long as we actually have conducted a successful Group Buy in which GMK takes our money and starts physically making them.
Is that too much to ask for in this day and age?
I'd kill for a GMK red alert set.Show Image(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201402/05/220024azb3s579u7tzf6oq.jpg)
Honestly I think the number of people with unusual Cherry boards actually in use is probably pretty low, people just butcher them for caps usually.
But we need to discuss the color scheme and things like packs, deadline,... dont we :/ we can't just open a GB that changes too much (like this), I mean, we must find a final set up and then stick to it.
The good thing is Bunnylake will deliver with the GMK sets eventually. It just won't be as "cheap" as Ivan's offer. Don't ask me why people refuse to see that Ivan has the best prices around for GMK stuff. I mean people happily pay 50$ for 10 colored Mod keys, but won't pay 100$ for a complete 104key set plus extras. Just doesn't make sense...
I'd kill for a GMK red alert set.Show Image(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201402/05/220024azb3s579u7tzf6oq.jpg)
I'd kill for a GMK red alert set.Show Image(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201402/05/220024azb3s579u7tzf6oq.jpg)
I'd kill for a GMK red alert set.Show Image(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201402/05/220024azb3s579u7tzf6oq.jpg)
I also really like this set, but am not willing to pay the robbery price for that special edition keyboard when we can do it for so much less. Perhaps we can just do this red/white if the current one falls through and use the same key selection.
I'd kill for a GMK red alert set.Show Image(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201402/05/220024azb3s579u7tzf6oq.jpg)
I also really like this set, but am not willing to pay the robbery price for that special edition keyboard when we can do it for so much less. Perhaps we can just do this red/white if the current one falls through and use the same key selection.
I nearly pulled the trigger on one about a month ago but decided against it with the GB's coming up.
I'd kill for a GMK red alert set.Show Image(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201402/05/220024azb3s579u7tzf6oq.jpg)
I also really like this set, but am not willing to pay the robbery price for that special edition keyboard when we can do it for so much less. Perhaps we can just do this red/white if the current one falls through and use the same key selection.
I nearly pulled the trigger on one about a month ago but decided against it with the GB's coming up.
Was there a GB for that whole keyboard recently?
A WoR modifiers to go with that is great also :pNope, Red on White please. If ivan ok, we can go to Red on White/Beige :P
A WoR modifiers to go with that is great also :pNope, Red on White please. If ivan ok, we can go to Red on White/Beige :P
I don't like 2tones... :(
I don't like 2tones... :( I like mono, it looks more modern.
An inverted classic white/beige is one of those exceptions... Like the Commodore style. I would like to do a modern repro of that.
An inverted classic white/beige is one of those exceptions... Like the Commodore style. I would like to do a modern repro of that.Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/0e30fc6f.jpg)
An inverted classic white/beige is one of those exceptions... Like the Commodore style. I would like to do a modern repro of that.Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/0e30fc6f.jpg)
An inverted classic white/beige is one of those exceptions... Like the Commodore style. I would like to do a modern repro of that.Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/0e30fc6f.jpg)
I don't really care what color scheme we go for next, anything except Dolch at this point..
We've had a good push in the last few days. Getting pretty close now with the full set at least with only 50 short of goal. The Add on has a good way to go though still.
We've had a good push in the last few days. Getting pretty close now with the full set at least with only 50 short of goal. The Add on has a good way to go though still.
I suppose the closing of the Dolch GB is driving some additional orders up here
I suppose the closing of the Dolch GB is driving some additional orders up here
If your talking about the DSA Dolch group buy those are completely different caps. And technically the main group buy is still on, only the add-on DSA buy closed.
I suppose the closing of the Dolch GB is driving some additional orders up here
If your talking about the DSA Dolch group buy those are completely different caps. And technically the main group buy is still on, only the add-on DSA buy closed.
I guess he is talking about the Korean GMK Dolch GB that doesn't get any updates from the OP anymore.
You think that you can keep orders open for a few more days, I wanna order this now but I can't until sunday :rolleyes:
You think that you can keep orders open for a few more days, I wanna order this now but I can't until sunday :rolleyes:
You can probably order now and pay invoice later.
Well... we are still short. Should it be extended until April? Not sure if it will really help or not.
Don't kill at deadline :s
Do I just resubmit a new order for a +1?
Doubled my order - hope it helps :)
Maybe we should just stop wasting our time with GMK. I mean, we can't ever hit the MOQ. Obviously we don't have enough people who want these caps.
Maybe we should just stop wasting our time with GMK. I mean, we can't ever hit the MOQ. Obviously we don't have enough people who want these caps.
Why can't we ever hit MOQ? Dolch GB works out just fine.
Maybe we should just stop wasting our time with GMK. I mean, we can't ever hit the MOQ. Obviously we don't have enough people who want these caps.
Why can't we ever hit MOQ? Dolch GB works out just fine.
That's because dolch is dolch
I wonder where we got to in total what with all the extra orders etc.Yeah. I agreed. Quite hard to run gamer :-X
Wow, back to 190 orders :(
I don't understand why the Koreans are not attracted by this set. Cheapest full set by far and perfect for mix 'n' match!
Gah this is frustrating :/
Give in and just run a dolch GB with a month deadline and lets get some new goddamn keys!!!
Well the korean buy has gone quite a while without an update, invoices didnt even go out yet.Gah this is frustrating :/
Give in and just run a dolch GB with a month deadline and lets get some new goddamn keys!!!
Would Dolch necessarily make it either though? Between the Originative buys and the Korean GB's, you'd think that market is saturated already.
Well the korean buy has gone quite a while without an update, invoices didnt even go out yet.Gah this is frustrating :/
Give in and just run a dolch GB with a month deadline and lets get some new goddamn keys!!!
Would Dolch necessarily make it either though? Between the Originative buys and the Korean GB's, you'd think that market is saturated already.
I've been behind this set from the start, not really fussed what alterations happened as it catered for ISO which is unique in any other GMK group buy or vendor sales.
I still want this set BUT the writings on the wall - it's not happening.
Better to go for something else - dolch would sell no sweat. maybe an original twist like different legend colour or mods would make it interesting but even that might be enough to put off the numbers needed - I appreciate it's not easy herding cats :s
Bottom line for me is - thanks to Ivan for all the work done on this and whichever GMK finally makes it I'll be in :)
I agree - if we're going to go to Dolch colorways lets do Yolch or something.
Just wait after toxic when bunny starts doing GMK
in a week he'll hit moq
Just wait after toxic when bunny starts doing GMK
in a week he'll hit moq
Single color sets tend to be less popular in general. And for this particular set, it resemblance with Dolch makes people wonder why it should be single color while Dolch has darker mods.
Is sherry doing a dolch buy right now? If so where? Just curious?
Also is this about what it costs do get a full set from gmk? (120)? Wish it could be a bit less.
Is sherry doing a dolch buy right now? If so where? Just curious?
Also is this about what it costs do get a full set from gmk? (120)? Wish it could be a bit less.
Thanks guys. The add on keys are cool for resale value. I only need tkl but I understand you can't make every one happy.
^true story.Thanks guys. The add on keys are cool for resale value. I only need tkl but I understand you can't make every one happy.
Think of it this way; it's insurance for any other boards you might get. When I first bought custom keys, I thought I'd never deviate from the standard 1.25/6.25 bottom row. Fastforward a couple years and all my boards are 1.5x/7x. Same goes 1.75x shifts; I initially thought they were useless, but now I have equal the amount of boards with 1.75x shifts compared to a normal 2.75x shift.
Only thing stopping me from going with a winkeyless is money. Would be nice to have though as it seems like sourcing ds's would be much easier.^you and i both.
After everyone know this, i hope order 'll increase :cool: & even hit MOQ :))i want but my wallet doesn't allow me :(
GMK production is usually pretty quick. Typically just a few weeks.Thats not bad at all.
read a comment or two about this group buy looking like black on white, want to clear it up with the pictures or put more obvious text thats its grey in the OP?
another quick pic showing the grey colour, IMHO a perfect alpha colour...Yeah Mod Dolch is dark grey. It is different with Black :)
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read a comment or two about this group buy looking like black on white, want to clear it up with the pictures or put more obvious text thats its grey in the OP?
It says dark gray in the op and title.. And if you've ever seen WoB doubleshots you know these aren't it.
another quick pic showing the grey colour, IMHO a perfect alpha colour...
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It is a very nice grey, and thanks for that great photo gojira54! This should go in the OP.
Does anyone know if Skidata keys are the same grey as this GB?
I posted info regarding this groupbuy on /r/mechmarket http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/21h9c2/gb_gmk_whitedark_grey_usgb_full_set_gamer_addon/
Feel free to upvote it ;)
I posted info regarding this groupbuy on /r/mechmarket http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/21h9c2/gb_gmk_whitedark_grey_usgb_full_set_gamer_addon/
Feel free to upvote it ;)
I posted info regarding this groupbuy on /r/mechmarket http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/21h9c2/gb_gmk_whitedark_grey_usgb_full_set_gamer_addon/
Feel free to upvote it ;)
Commented and upvoted! :thumb:
Would probably get a lot more exposure in /r/MechanicalKeyboards though.
I honestly don't understand why people will pay $105 plus shipping for a dolch base set to a vendor who is absent, uncommunicative and has many outstanding unfulfilled orders but they won't support a community effort.I think I know why. People like dual color sets and known from many previous group buys that works for them, on the side Dolch is the most popular hence why so many chose that over this. Honestly I think Dolch is boring and this set is a great start for mix and match in future but many people don't like to wait for that and will rather stick to the already popular set which you can't buy anywhere at the moment. Heck I think even if GMK classic beige can get to MOQ quite easy these days. There is the argument that for lets say someone who use 60% or TKL keyboards he won't like to go for a $120 set which includes so much unnecessary keys for their board. Yes I know you might want to switch to tsangan in the future and whatnot but I doubt many people will use the 1u backspace, the shortened caps etc. I think easier to reach MOQ are those kind of GB which include adapter pack f.e ISO kit, tsangan etc. it might not be in favor of everyone but at least reaches MOQ quicker. Don't get me wrong I like this set and if I could afford it at the moment I would sign up without a doubt.
Why not buy the set Ivan is offering here?
He has great communication, flawless shipping and the price is right for a much larger variety of keys.
We can always do alpha group buys later to make this set Dolch or any other crazy combination people want.
I'm curious on order count too. This only ends on the 1st if it hits MOQ right? I'd like to get in but need to scrape the funds together first.
I'm curious on order count too. This only ends on the 1st if it hits MOQ right? I'd like to get in but need to scrape the funds together first.
My impression is that it ends on the 1st one way or the other :(
Bring on classic beige!!! :D
I'm curious on order count too. This only ends on the 1st if it hits MOQ right? I'd like to get in but need to scrape the funds together first.
My impression is that it ends on the 1st one way or the other :(
Oh well that sucks. Bring on classic beige!!! :D
I disagree, its not as easy as it used to be. Especially to find new/like new sets. THose boards get pretty expensive. A complete set, brand new, no wonky keys or sourcing a moogle, for about $100. Sounds much better to me.I'm curious on order count too. This only ends on the 1st if it hits MOQ right? I'd like to get in but need to scrape the funds together first.
My impression is that it ends on the 1st one way or the other :(
Oh well that sucks. Bring on classic beige!!! :D
The thing is, you can get 90% of the way there by buying a normal Cherry DS board. The only reason to get a GMK made set is to get the 1.25x mods and maybe a 2.75x shift if you got your caps from a 1800 variant. I don't see the appeal of getting a group buy together for something that's not extraordinarily hard to source, at least any more so than other vintage stuff.
I honestly don't understand why people will pay $105 plus shipping for a dolch base set to a vendor who is absent, uncommunicative and has many outstanding unfulfilled orders but they won't support a community effort.
Why not buy the set Ivan is offering here?
He has great communication, flawless shipping and the price is right for a much larger variety of keys.
We can always do alpha group buys later to make this set Dolch or any other crazy combination people want.
I honestly don't understand why people will pay $105 plus shipping for a dolch base set to a vendor who is absent, uncommunicative and has many outstanding unfulfilled orders but they won't support a community effort.
Why not buy the set Ivan is offering here?
He has great communication, flawless shipping and the price is right for a much larger variety of keys.
We can always do alpha group buys later to make this set Dolch or any other crazy combination people want.
I really want to support this GB but it's already quite expensive as it is... Not sure I would be willing to pay again for a set of alphas that may or may not come around the next round. If this had the alphas in grey, i would jump in with both feet.
It's unfortunate about Orginative and you're right about his absence. But if the dolch is in stock, that is exactly the product I want.
I honestly don't understand why people will pay $105 plus shipping for a dolch base set to a vendor who is absent, uncommunicative and has many outstanding unfulfilled orders but they won't support a community effort.
Why not buy the set Ivan is offering here?
He has great communication, flawless shipping and the price is right for a much larger variety of keys.
We can always do alpha group buys later to make this set Dolch or any other crazy combination people want.
I really want to support this GB but it's already quite expensive as it is... Not sure I would be willing to pay again for a set of alphas that may or may not come around the next round. If this had the alphas in grey, i would jump in with both feet.
It's unfortunate about Orginative and you're right about his absence. But if the dolch is in stock, that is exactly the product I want.
Quite expensive in what sense? A $120 full set caps more expensive than $105 Originative TKL Dolch set?
Someone tell me what is this Dolch obsession...
I honestly don't understand why people will pay $105 plus shipping for a dolch base set to a vendor who is absent, uncommunicative and has many outstanding unfulfilled orders but they won't support a community effort.
Why not buy the set Ivan is offering here?
He has great communication, flawless shipping and the price is right for a much larger variety of keys.
We can always do alpha group buys later to make this set Dolch or any other crazy combination people want.
I really want to support this GB but it's already quite expensive as it is... Not sure I would be willing to pay again for a set of alphas that may or may not come around the next round. If this had the alphas in grey, i would jump in with both feet.
It's unfortunate about Orginative and you're right about his absence. But if the dolch is in stock, that is exactly the product I want.
Quite expensive in what sense? A $120 full set caps more expensive than $105 Originative TKL Dolch set?
Someone tell me what is this Dolch obsession...
Well now you're just putting my words out of context. As someone pointed out earlier, I still need to buy grey alphas in the "future" to make this a two-tone set and that would add to the cost if I wanted the dolch colour tones. I don't see myself buying multiple sets of GMK keycaps.
Two-tone colour scheme looks sharper. It is personal preference really. Some people like legends and some don't. You like blue and I like red. I don't see why the two opinions can't exist together.
Nothing wrong with this set. In fact, Ivan is running it so it's a huge bonus.
Are you talking about vendors or are you talking about colour tones? those are separate things.
I only need one set but I'll pick up a second if it makes a difference. The only thing is that I always take a hit getting anything shipped to Canada and then more often than not it's someone in the U.S. that buys from me; I then end up having to cover part of the extra shipping costs again. Would someone in the U.S. be willing to receive the second set on my behalf and ship it for me when I find someone who wants to buy it later? You could increase your order by one and I'll send you a Paypal transfer for the second set when or if invoicing happens.
There have only been a few additional orders. At this time unless either 50ish orders come in the next couple days, or a large order from reseller appears I think will have to admit defeat here.
Assuming that happens I will get an IC going to discuss colorways. I think the key selection should stick as we went through so much work on getting that settled over this time.
I only need one set but I'll pick up a second if it makes a difference. The only thing is that I always take a hit getting anything shipped to Canada and then more often than not it's someone in the U.S. that buys from me; I then end up having to cover part of the extra shipping costs again. Would someone in the U.S. be willing to receive the second set on my behalf and ship it for me when I find someone who wants to buy it later? You could increase your order by one and I'll send you a Paypal transfer for the second set when or if invoicing happens.
For those that may consider buying extra sets... if you wish, I could hold them in a resell pool to avoid multiple trans global shipping, and simply refund you the original price when they are resold?
I can't remember if I ordered this or not...
I will get a form up or something shortly for pool set buy ins. This won't entitle anyone to anything other than a donation to forum on your behalf at a later time after those pool sets are sold.Or you could sell their set and refund them. Like you said for people buying two. This will help with MOQ right?
I will get a form up or something shortly for pool set buy ins. This won't entitle anyone to anything other than a donation to forum on your behalf at a later time after those pool sets are sold.
jdcarpe, I don't see anything for you on my sheet currently.
Avtar, I'll volunteer to shepherd your additional set. I've already doubled down myself so I'll up my order to three.
Sure it would be nice if people could double up and I can resell those sets on their behalf no problem.
Close... yet still far.
Close... yet still far.
An inverted classic white/beige is one of those exceptions... Like the Commodore style. I would like to do a modern repro of that.Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/0e30fc6f.jpg)
red alert?Yeah maybe red alert or teal :P
I would like to see something like this!Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913)
photo: mintberryminuscrunch @DT
I would like to see something like this!Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913)
photo: mintberryminuscrunch @DT
Yeah that one... almost always is discolored when you can find one. Though I did see someone that had a US layout version of it in the proper original un****ed up color. We could do something similar, but not exactly with CP/N5, N5/CPI like the n5 blue, it would look similar yet different in a good way if that even makes sense..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sXAxyeY.jpg)
Yeah that one... almost always is discolored when you can find one. Though I did see someone that had a US layout version of it in the proper original un****ed up color. We could do something similar, but not exactly with CP/N5, V4/CP... or could go lighter and use UN6037.
Shouldn't this all be in a new IC thread? Still in the spirit of fun
~~~~~ PURPLE AND BEIGE ~~~~~
Classic beige gets my vote. Should sell easy. If we can't get gray at 250 are we really going to get it with purple or teal? I'm down for red alert with gray or beige mods.
Classic beige gets my vote. Should sell easy. If we can't get gray at 250 are we really going to get it with purple or teal? I'm down for red alert with gray or beige mods.
I'll get an IC up soonish... but for now I am thinking to have a vote between
1. Commodore style inverted black on beige/white
2. red on white/beige set similar to the 60th Anniversary 3494
3. TA Alpha style N7/U9 alphanums with CP/AE mods
4. TBD... I will be open to further suggestions, all of which absolutely must be stock colors. Custom colors are not possible on our reduced 250 tier MOQ.
Key selection will be pretty much set to the same that is in the OP for this set unless there is a very good reason for any changes.
its actually going to be impossible to get an ISO Dolch / dark theme that isn't garish isn't it? Everyone says no Dolch but i've yet to see an ISO version ever be posted!
its actually going to be impossible to get an ISO Dolch / dark theme that isn't garish isn't it? Everyone says no Dolch but i've yet to see an ISO version ever be posted!
I would like to see something like this!Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913)
photo: mintberryminuscrunch @DT
I would like to see something like this!
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913) (http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913)
photo: mintberryminuscrunch @DT
Are the alphas dyesub and the mods double shots?
I would like to see something like this!
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913) (http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913)
photo: mintberryminuscrunch @DT
Are the alphas dyesub and the mods double shots?
fairly certain they are all doubleshot abs
its actually going to be impossible to get an ISO Dolch / dark theme that isn't garish isn't it? Everyone says no Dolch but i've yet to see an ISO version ever be posted!
If it wouldn't step on anyones toes and there is enough interest I'd be up for running a plain dolch set GB with the keyset the same as this keyset...
It's not my personal first choice - this current set was but I feel that there's enough peeps out there that would buy it
I would like to see something like this!
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913) (http://deskthority.net/resources/image/11913)
photo: mintberryminuscrunch @DT
Are the alphas dyesub and the mods double shots?
fairly certain they are all doubleshot abs
Were they made by GMK?
If it wouldn't step on anyones toes and there is enough interest I'd be up for running a plain dolch set GB with the keyset the same as this keyset...
It's not my personal first choice - this current set was but I feel that there's enough peeps out there that would buy it
If it wouldn't step on anyones toes and there is enough interest I'd be up for running a plain dolch set GB with the keyset the same as this keyset...
It's not my personal first choice - this current set was but I feel that there's enough peeps out there that would buy it
I'll get an IC up soonish... but for now I am thinking to have a vote between
1. Commodore style inverted black on beige/white
2. red on white/beige set similar to the 60th Anniversary 3494
3. TA Alpha style N7/U9 alphanums with CP/AE mods
4. TBD... I will be open to further suggestions, all of which absolutely must be stock colors. Custom colors are not possible on our reduced 250 tier MOQ.
Key selection will be pretty much set to the same that is in the OP for this set unless there is a very good reason for any changes.
I would get some funds together for that for sure. Although it would probably take orders away from Ivan's buy, whatever that turns out to be.its actually going to be impossible to get an ISO Dolch / dark theme that isn't garish isn't it? Everyone says no Dolch but i've yet to see an ISO version ever be posted!
If it wouldn't step on anyones toes and there is enough interest I'd be up for running a plain dolch set GB with the keyset the same as this keyset...
It's not my personal first choice - this current set was but I feel that there's enough peeps out there that would buy it
I'll get an IC up soonish... but for now I am thinking to have a vote between
1. Commodore style inverted black on beige/white
2. red on white/beige set similar to the 60th Anniversary 3494
3. TA Alpha style N7/U9 alphanums with CP/AE mods
4. TBD... I will be open to further suggestions, all of which absolutely must be stock colors. Custom colors are not possible on our reduced 250 tier MOQ.
Key selection will be pretty much set to the same that is in the OP for this set unless there is a very good reason for any changes.
Everyone! Please consider a full set based on the WoG Code key posted by Dianoda, pic (courtesy of Dianoda). This would look amazing! :oShow Image(http://i4.minus.com/iUlt28sm0b4Dz.jpg)
I'll get an IC up soonish... but for now I am thinking to have a vote between
1. Commodore style inverted black on beige/white
2. red on white/beige set similar to the 60th Anniversary 3494
3. TA Alpha style N7/U9 alphanums with CP/AE mods
4. TBD... I will be open to further suggestions, all of which absolutely must be stock colors. Custom colors are not possible on our reduced 250 tier MOQ.
Key selection will be pretty much set to the same that is in the OP for this set unless there is a very good reason for any changes.
Everyone! Please consider a full set based on the WoG Code key posted by Dianoda, pic (courtesy of Dianoda). This would look amazing! :oShow Image(http://i4.minus.com/iUlt28sm0b4Dz.jpg)
I dont think GMK have tools to do these today because they're kinda old and quite different to the usual keycaps on Cherry keyboard, not only the double-shot look but also the size to, they're a little bit smaller :/
well then, my bad :D
A lot of people seem to have been stuck on Dolch when this group buy was being suggested to them. Getting a Dolch groupbuy completed may also have an added benefit where enough sets saturate the forums allowing other options to be explored without people longing for that one theme.
:DA lot of people seem to have been stuck on Dolch when this group buy was being suggested to them. Getting a Dolch groupbuy completed may also have an added benefit where enough sets saturate the forums allowing other options to be explored without people longing for that one theme.
That may indeed be a good point. Maybe I should just do this so everyone will STFU about Dolch already.
A lot of people seem to have been stuck on Dolch when this group buy was being suggested to them. Getting a Dolch groupbuy completed may also have an added benefit where enough sets saturate the forums allowing other options to be explored without people longing for that one theme.
That may indeed be a good point. Maybe I should just do this so everyone will STFU about Dolch already.
Maybe I should just do this so everyone will STFU about Dolch already.
A lot of people seem to have been stuck on Dolch when this group buy was being suggested to them. Getting a Dolch groupbuy completed may also have an added benefit where enough sets saturate the forums allowing other options to be explored without people longing for that one theme.
That may indeed be a good point. Maybe I should just do this so everyone will STFU about Dolch already.
A lot of people seem to have been stuck on Dolch when this group buy was being suggested to them. Getting a Dolch groupbuy completed may also have an added benefit where enough sets saturate the forums allowing other options to be explored without people longing for that one theme.
That may indeed be a good point. Maybe I should just do this so everyone will STFU about Dolch already.
This would work... :))
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Honestly I'm getting sick of the Dolch talk as well... I've been wanting a set but would rather pick this one up instead.
Dolch would reach MOQ so fast @_@
Dolch would reach MOQ so fast @_@
I have my doubts.
Dolch would reach MOQ so fast @_@
I have my doubts.
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I know I'd buy at least one set despite already having one. It goes so well with everything and it never hurts to have doubles of sets. :D
Dolch would reach MOQ so fast @_@
I have my doubts.
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I know I'd buy at least one set despite already having one. It goes so well with everything and it never hurts to have doubles of sets. :D
I have 2 Dolch sets, and I'd still probably be in for one. But that's beside the point, I think...
Dolch would reach MOQ so fast @_@
I have my doubts.
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I know I'd buy at least one set despite already having one. It goes so well with everything and it never hurts to have doubles of sets. :D
I have 2 Dolch sets, and I'd still probably be in for one. But that's beside the point, I think...
Not necessarily. I think a lot of people are of this same mindset. :)
Dolch would reach MOQ so fast @_@
I have my doubts.
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I know I'd buy at least one set despite already having one. It goes so well with everything and it never hurts to have doubles of sets. :D
I have 2 Dolch sets, and I'd still probably be in for one. But that's beside the point, I think...
Not necessarily. I think a lot of people are of this same mindset. :)
Out of curiosity why do you guys get multiple of the same sets? Do you dress multiple boards up in them at once?
Dolch would reach MOQ so fast @_@
I have my doubts.
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I know I'd buy at least one set despite already having one. It goes so well with everything and it never hurts to have doubles of sets. :D
I have 2 Dolch sets, and I'd still probably be in for one. But that's beside the point, I think...
Not necessarily. I think a lot of people are of this same mindset. :)
Out of curiosity why do you guys get multiple of the same sets? Do you dress multiple boards up in them at once?