Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 12 July 2019, 19:58:24
ENJOYPBT KURO / SHIRO
This is the GB update thread for Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro. For queries on availability, please contact KBDfans directly.
News that I receive will be later than KBDfans's QQ group and discord server so you may want to join those channels as well.
The latest from KBDfans as of 05/11/2019 is that EPBT have started shipping the keycaps to KBDfans. KBDfans have been slow to provide updates because they are in the middle of moving their warehouse.
RAMA black PVD brass with enamel infill keycaps:
(https://i.imgur.com/QrHjMMW.png)(https://i.imgur.com/ksDAwim.png)(https://i.imgur.com/HgQcnW2.png)
RAMA e-white aluminium with black enamel infill keycaps:
(https://i.imgur.com/rNNyLKs.png)(https://i.imgur.com/wE8uzmx.png)
PHOTOS
(https://i.imgur.com/7qbAEDM.jpg)
Click below to see more photos
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(https://i.imgur.com/1ClAixC.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/YBp0c2C.jpg)
KITS
Essentials kit
(https://i.imgur.com/3kYwSMX.jpg])
Click below to see the rest of the kits
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Standard mod kit
(https://i.imgur.com/6bQzWws.jpg])
Japanese mod kit
(https://i.imgur.com/fpVtuiJ.jpg)
Spacebar kit
(https://i.imgur.com/bMcgOnd.jpg)
Numberpad
(https://i.imgur.com/spgVN52.jpg)
40% Ortho kit
(https://i.imgur.com/7CWZWP5.jpg])
International kit
(https://i.imgur.com/bJiReAY.jpg)
SAMPLES
(https://i.imgur.com/Kgzrdfn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/cpfHgE5.jpg)
Click below to see the rest of the samples
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(https://i.imgur.com/q5s7Kr9.jpg)
Essentials kit
(https://i.imgur.com/UYiMKll.jpg)
Japanese mod kit
(https://i.imgur.com/Km8io21.jpg)
Standard mod kit
(https://i.imgur.com/eyZIJQc.jpg)
International kit
(https://i.imgur.com/SCEDS2h.jpg)
Ortho kit
(https://i.imgur.com/F3x9KP5.jpg)
Numberpad kit
(https://i.imgur.com/8RQg0jK.jpg)
Essentials kit
(https://i.imgur.com/UYiMKll.jpg)
Japanese mod kit
(https://i.imgur.com/Km8io21.jpg)
Standard mod kit
(https://i.imgur.com/eyZIJQc.jpg)
International kit
(https://i.imgur.com/SCEDS2h.jpg)
Ortho kit
(https://i.imgur.com/F3x9KP5.jpg)
Numberpad kit
(https://i.imgur.com/8RQg0jK.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 12 July 2019, 20:03:50
Please note that this GB is closed, and this thread is solely for updates to be communicated to buyers.
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 12 July 2019, 20:06:55
(https://i.imgur.com/JuxHRkI.jpg)
Below are photos from KBDfans showing the latest reversed dyesubbed samples.
Left is kuro/shiro, right is from an ABS set. They have managed to get it very black.
(https://i.imgur.com/mtx33jp.jpg)
More samples:
(https://i.imgur.com/jw8tPdc.jpg)
I've given the greenlight for the normal dyesubbed keys so they are manufacturing those now but I'm not happy with the reversed dyesubbed keys.
When I received the first batch of samples, they were more of a very very dark navy. Since then, they've tried reversed dyesubbing onto the WS1 base, L9 and the white from Black on White to see what base cap would yield the best black.
L9 makes the legends look tan and Black on White had the best tone of black but the legends don't match well enough.
Right now, I'm getting them to use the WS1 base and light the link a smidgen by adding some red/brown tone into it to offset the blue.
Click below to see the old samples
More
(https://i.imgur.com/43lLqGC.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/NFnrFyk.jpg)
2nd sample is on the left and the newest is on the right. As state previously, it is more obvious in person and even more so on an overcast day.
I'm happy with this latest colour and will post photos of the dyesubbed samples next week.
Repost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.
(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.
(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.
(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sample
(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sample
(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
2nd sample is on the left and the newest is on the right. As state previously, it is more obvious in person and even more so on an overcast day.
I'm happy with this latest colour and will post photos of the dyesubbed samples next week.
Repost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.
(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.
(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.
(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sample
(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sample
(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Post by: dk4one on Fri, 12 July 2019, 21:03:55
Post by: popkorn62 on Fri, 12 July 2019, 21:08:12
Post by: ThePanduuh on Fri, 12 July 2019, 21:09:47
I regret so, so much not getting the Jap mods...Man without Japanese mods this is just epbt bow Japanese!!
Also, thanks mod for fixing the ic/gb thread deal. Will be looking forward to more updates here!
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 12 July 2019, 21:19:49
Repost from IC thread.Thats unfortunate news about the colors being wrong. I agree, it's better to get it right rather than rushing it and delivering a substandard product.
Here are pics of the latest samples.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Post by: fractl on Fri, 12 July 2019, 21:21:47
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Fri, 12 July 2019, 21:43:04
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 12 July 2019, 21:52:38
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 12 July 2019, 22:25:10
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 13 July 2019, 01:44:57
I regret so, so much not getting the Jap mods...Man without Japanese mods this is just epbt bow Japanese!!
Also, thanks mod for fixing the ic/gb thread deal. Will be looking forward to more updates here!
Not really, BoW is too cool white while the original japanese set was too creamy beige. Epbt kuro shiro is a great take on a neutral white and it's good gok is readjusting them.
That said, I got the regular icon mods. I suspect most peoppe got the japanese mods for the novelty factor but it makes everything look clustered imo, the simple mods balance out the hiragana.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 13 July 2019, 04:34:03
And heck, depending on how many kits have been manufactured, KBDfans can still sell those warmer Kuro/Shiro as B Stock or something. Judging from the responses on Discord, there are some who would love that.
Post by: dk4one on Sat, 13 July 2019, 11:41:19
Post by: kgorin on Sat, 13 July 2019, 11:50:18
And heck, depending on how many kits have been manufactured, KBDfans can still sell those warmer Kuro/Shiro as B Stock or something. Judging from the responses on Discord, there are some who would love that.I also thought this is a good idea at first, but then I figured it will lead to having wrong Kuro/Shiro sets on the market without clear marking of the revision, which can't be good since they are barely different to the untrained eye but different enough 🤔
Post by: kontradictions on Sat, 13 July 2019, 12:03:41
One reason why I bought into this set instead of just getting the in-stock JP one is that I'm bored of EnjoyPBT's beige already. More waiting sucks, but better than the alternative.Forreals. I'm down to buy a B Stock set. I kinda like the warmer color.
And heck, depending on how many kits have been manufactured, KBDfans can still sell those warmer Kuro/Shiro as B Stock or something. Judging from the responses on Discord, there are some who would love that.
Also interested in taking over anyone's GB if they've lost interest. *wink wink* ;)
Post by: Lufenia on Sat, 13 July 2019, 12:32:23
Post by: dk4one on Sat, 13 July 2019, 14:38:24
As much as I love that idea of a B-stock set happening, I don't think that would be a good call. The cons of having two versions of a keyset floating the market outweighs its pros.One reason why I bought into this set instead of just getting the in-stock JP one is that I'm bored of EnjoyPBT's beige already. More waiting sucks, but better than the alternative.Forreals. I'm down to buy a B Stock set. I kinda like the warmer color.
And heck, depending on how many kits have been manufactured, KBDfans can still sell those warmer Kuro/Shiro as B Stock or something. Judging from the responses on Discord, there are some who would love that.
Also interested in taking over anyone's GB if they've lost interest. *wink wink* ;)
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 13 July 2019, 14:41:31
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Sat, 13 July 2019, 17:05:38
More wait?!
I was so happy to get this soon.
Sight
EDIT: Just read that the delay will be between 45 to 60 days... WTF >:@
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 13 July 2019, 17:37:17
You must be kidding me...If you are happy with the colour of the latest sample, kbdfans might be able to send you that version if you contact them.
More wait?!
I was so happy to get this soon.
Sight
EDIT: Just read that the delay will be between 45 to 60 days... WTF >:@
Post by: otanishock on Sat, 13 July 2019, 21:52:18
Post by: Etherealsound on Sat, 13 July 2019, 23:17:45
Post by: aleck on Sat, 13 July 2019, 23:31:56
That's actually pretty goodYou must be kidding me...If you are happy with the colour of the latest sample, kbdfans might be able to send you that version if you contact them.
More wait?!
I was so happy to get this soon.
Sight
EDIT: Just read that the delay will be between 45 to 60 days... WTF >:@
Post by: bardomudo on Sun, 14 July 2019, 01:45:19
Repost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Personally I would MUCH prefer the warmer white they're doing now, but you're the designer so ultimately it's up to you, of course.
Do you think you could maybe run a poll to decide whether to keep the current warmer white and maintain ETA or to delay it for the colder white? The colder white just reminds me of cheap chinese white PBT sets.
EDIT: KBDfans just replied to my email saying it is NOT possible to have the current production warmer (WS1) sets shipped to those interested unless they finish the whole production. So there will be no b-stock, no ordering warmer sets unless the designer approves them to be the final version, which personally I would be all up for.
(https://i.imgur.com/zFvcHHS.png)
Post by: poolside on Sun, 14 July 2019, 05:29:57
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 14 July 2019, 05:55:09
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 14 July 2019, 06:44:31
Repost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Personally I would MUCH prefer the warmer white they're doing now, but you're the designer so ultimately it's up to you, of course.
Do you think you could maybe run a poll to decide whether to keep the current warmer white and maintain ETA or to delay it for the colder white? The colder white just reminds me of cheap chinese white PBT sets.
EDIT: KBDfans just replied to my email saying it is NOT possible to have the current production warmer (WS1) sets shipped to those interested unless they finish the whole production. So there will be no b-stock, no ordering warmer sets unless the designer approves them to be the final version, which personally I would be all up for.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zFvcHHS.png)
One thing that I should clarify regarding your post is that the current sample does not match WS1 and I'd be very happy if it did. I'd describe the sample as peachy rather than creamy which I think is too warm.
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 14 July 2019, 09:28:51
Post by: BAS1C on Sun, 14 July 2019, 13:04:33
Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Sun, 14 July 2019, 13:29:25
Post by: bardomudo on Sun, 14 July 2019, 13:43:06
Repost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Personally I would MUCH prefer the warmer white they're doing now, but you're the designer so ultimately it's up to you, of course.
Do you think you could maybe run a poll to decide whether to keep the current warmer white and maintain ETA or to delay it for the colder white? The colder white just reminds me of cheap chinese white PBT sets.
EDIT: KBDfans just replied to my email saying it is NOT possible to have the current production warmer (WS1) sets shipped to those interested unless they finish the whole production. So there will be no b-stock, no ordering warmer sets unless the designer approves them to be the final version, which personally I would be all up for.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zFvcHHS.png)
One thing that I should clarify regarding your post is that the current sample does not match WS1 and I'd be very happy if it did. I'd describe the sample as peachy rather than creamy which I think is too warm.
Ah, in this case, my bad. I thought you were trying to make the set in WS2 which I personally think is way, way too cold. If you're going for WS1 and what they delivered something even warmer still (peachy as you said), then indeed I'm now at your side and I think they need to re-do them. It was hard to compare their samples with the correct WS1 cap in the pictures.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sun, 14 July 2019, 14:03:44
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 14 July 2019, 14:51:28
WS2 is GMK BoW hue if I'm not mistaken. Like I said, that's the cool white I'm not interested in and definitely think WS1 looks better than cream or cool white.Do you mean EPBT BoW? Bow is different still and has more red tone in it which makes it more purplish rather than blue.
GMK minimal and metaverse alphas are WS1.
Post by: Clo_0lD on Thu, 18 July 2019, 17:35:21
Damn, I totally missed this group buy. How much was the base set?
$54 for the base and $43 for Jap mods
Post by: ThePanduuh on Fri, 19 July 2019, 06:59:06
I have made the mistake myself.
But icymi “jap” is not a good abbreviation for Japanese as it has negative connotations.
Just something to think about when you’re typing Japanese out and stop halfway.
Shout out to Starson for pointing it out to me.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 19 July 2019, 09:10:20
I think people should read out loud what they’re typing.Not everyone here is American and thus has to carry your historical burdens. Chill, man.
I have made the mistake myself.
But icymi “jap” is not a good abbreviation for Japanese as it has negative connotations.
Just something to think about when you’re typing Japanese out and stop halfway.
Shout out to Starson for pointing it out to me.
Post by: poolside on Sat, 20 July 2019, 04:35:30
Damn, I totally missed this group buy. How much was the base set?
$54 for the base and $43 for Jap mods
Thank you :thumb:
Post by: Hell-es on Sat, 20 July 2019, 11:37:07
€dit: if someone could please cancle numpad and space bars ;)
Post by: zekth on Sat, 20 July 2019, 13:05:58
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 20 July 2019, 14:29:27
I've asked the to provide more than one colour matching option because I'm more skeptical about their colour matching ability now (at least with whites).
Another thing I'm working on is a Shiro aluminium Rama keycap in white ecoat and black infill. I've been holding out on doing this because I was wary of the durability of ecoat on keycaps but Rama has had no issues with the jamon ones.
Something to note is that ecoat will be a more neutral or cooler white than the keycaps.
Post by: rondg on Sat, 20 July 2019, 14:33:04
Another thing I'm working on is a Shiro aluminium Rama keycap in white ecoat and black infill. I've been holding out on doing this because I was wary of the durability of ecoat on keycaps but Rama has had no issues with the jamon ones.
Something to note is that ecoat will be a more neutral or cooler white than the keycaps.
Will there be another GB for the RAMA keycap?
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 20 July 2019, 14:42:10
Yes, just for the Rama cap though.Another thing I'm working on is a Shiro aluminium Rama keycap in white ecoat and black infill. I've been holding out on doing this because I was wary of the durability of ecoat on keycaps but Rama has had no issues with the jamon ones.
Something to note is that ecoat will be a more neutral or cooler white than the keycaps.
Will there be another GB for the RAMA keycap?
Post by: rondg on Sat, 20 July 2019, 18:11:19
Yes, just for the Rama cap though.
Nice. Thanks!
Post by: kgorin on Sun, 21 July 2019, 05:30:51
Yes, just for the Rama cap though.
awesome
Post by: D4PP3R on Mon, 22 July 2019, 14:58:32
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 23 July 2019, 01:09:13
Epbt have received my GMK WS1 sample.
I've asked the to provide more than one colour matching option because I'm more skeptical about their colour matching ability now (at least with whites).
Another thing I'm working on is a Shiro aluminium Rama keycap in white ecoat and black infill. I've been holding out on doing this because I was wary of the durability of ecoat on keycaps but Rama has had no issues with the jamon ones.
Something to note is that ecoat will be a more neutral or cooler white than the keycaps.
Just to clarify are you trying to make it exactly like WS1?
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 23 July 2019, 02:15:24
As close to or better (unlikely). WS1 is the yard stick.Epbt have received my GMK WS1 sample.
I've asked the to provide more than one colour matching option because I'm more skeptical about their colour matching ability now (at least with whites).
Another thing I'm working on is a Shiro aluminium Rama keycap in white ecoat and black infill. I've been holding out on doing this because I was wary of the durability of ecoat on keycaps but Rama has had no issues with the jamon ones.
Something to note is that ecoat will be a more neutral or cooler white than the keycaps.
Just to clarify are you trying to make it exactly like WS1?
My aim from the beginning was a white that is slightly warm without being overly creamy. EPBT had trouble matching to the flat paint samples so I've had to send in a GMK swatch.
I've talked to KBDfans and they've said that they have finished making a colour sample but haven't confirmed whether they did what I've asked which is to provide more than one colour to choose from.
Post by: BAS1C on Tue, 23 July 2019, 12:31:08
Post by: dededecline on Tue, 23 July 2019, 12:42:15
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 23 July 2019, 13:08:13
Any updated ETA on when this set will ship?I haven't been given an updated ETA since I was told that there will be a 45-60 day delay from their projected delivery of end of July.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 23 July 2019, 14:37:27
Yeah I kinda expected that as they presumably have to do the whole thing over.Any updated ETA on when this set will ship?I haven't been given an updated ETA since I was told that there will be a 45-60 day delay from their projected delivery of end of July.
Ah well, at least we caught this before shipping. That would have been a huge mess. This set is unique enough that I don’t mind waiting a bit longer.
Post by: D4PP3R on Sat, 27 July 2019, 16:21:04
Any updated ETA on when this set will ship?
Likely around early September.
Post by: vicissitude on Sat, 27 July 2019, 18:02:46
Any updated ETA on when this set will ship?
Likely around early September.
Thanks for the info.
Wish it all right.
Post by: MacSurfy on Sun, 28 July 2019, 02:52:53
Any updated ETA on when this set will ship?
Likely around early September.
That's an extremely optimistic time frame.
End of July + 45-60 day delay is not 'early September'. Hopefully they will be shipped before October. But we'll see.
Post by: sakodo on Sun, 28 July 2019, 22:41:44
Post by: Berzerker on Tue, 30 July 2019, 22:53:20
Any updated ETA on when this set will ship?
Likely around early September.
That's an extremely optimistic time frame.
End of July + 45-60 day delay is not 'early September'. Hopefully they will be shipped before October. But we'll see.
I wouldn't say 2-3 weeks before more-likely expected time is "extremely optimistic."
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 31 July 2019, 10:50:04
Post by: nu_types on Wed, 31 July 2019, 13:09:09
Still looking for base and japanese mods. Will pay or trade artisans for this set! :) Please slippy slide into my DM's.
Well no one has received their caps yet and they're being remanufactured so it'll be awhile anyway...
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 07 August 2019, 12:06:49
Still looking for base and japanese mods. Will pay or trade artisans for this set! :) Please slippy slide into my DM's.
Well no one has received their caps yet and they're being remanufactured so it'll be awhile anyway...
Yeah, understood. Just if anyone wanted to back out or anything early!
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 07 August 2019, 20:39:33
Post by: Pennywise359 on Fri, 09 August 2019, 04:59:09
Post by: awestrike on Mon, 12 August 2019, 04:54:52
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 13 August 2019, 18:45:04
Are there going to be extras? I just realized I will need a numpad which I did not order...Unfortunately, I've heard that there aren't any extras.
Gok did you manage to get a sample of your liking yet?The newest batch of samples are en route to me now. I'll be posting an update when it arrives.
Is the set still coming with the un-scooped homing keys?This is what I've specified and I've asked KBDfans to reconfirm that this is the case.
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 13 August 2019, 18:54:01
(https://i.imgur.com/rNNyLKs.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/wE8uzmx.png)
Post by: rondg on Tue, 13 August 2019, 20:40:55
I've just received these today:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rNNyLKs.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wE8uzmx.png)
Where to buy? I am ready!
Post by: feste on Wed, 14 August 2019, 17:01:59
A little late to the party. GB ended like 3-4 months ago lol, you'll have to buy them in the second hand market for a marked up price.I've just received these today:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rNNyLKs.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wE8uzmx.png)
Where to buy? I am ready!
Post by: Clo_0lD on Wed, 14 August 2019, 17:06:23
A little late to the party. GB ended like 3-4 months ago lol, you'll have to buy them in the second hand market for a marked up price.I've just received these today:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rNNyLKs.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wE8uzmx.png)
Where to buy? I am ready!
He's talking about the Shiro Rama artisan, not the keyset. There is going to be a seperate group buy for the Ramas somewhere soon, probably KBDfans again I would assume.
Post by: feste on Wed, 14 August 2019, 17:25:56
A little late to the party. GB ended like 3-4 months ago lol, you'll have to buy them in the second hand market for a marked up price.I've just received these today:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rNNyLKs.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wE8uzmx.png)
Where to buy? I am ready!
He's talking about the Shiro Rama artisan, not the keyset. There is going to be a seperate group buy for the Ramas somewhere soon, probably KBDfans again I would assume.
Oh makes sense, didn't realize that. Apologies.
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 15 August 2019, 16:58:16
They aren't dyesubbed so I'd like to see how much bleed there is with this colour.
Post by: vicissitude on Thu, 15 August 2019, 17:45:31
Give us some shot and comparison. :thumb:
Post by: hammerbrotha on Fri, 16 August 2019, 00:15:12
Looking forward to the next round of samples.
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 16 August 2019, 00:53:13
Post by: Nuji on Fri, 16 August 2019, 01:03:21
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 16 August 2019, 01:10:42
why wouldn't there be any extras? kbdfans usually orders a ton of extras on their groupbuys iirc.Don't know. That's just the answer they have me.
Post by: Yuri1992 on Fri, 16 August 2019, 05:46:24
I've just received these today:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rNNyLKs.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wE8uzmx.png)
Cool ! Do you know when its GB open ?
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 16 August 2019, 16:56:03
Regarding the question about GB for the Shiro cap, I'll need to wait for Wei to come back from his business trip before I can discuss it with him.
Post by: i_am_pat on Fri, 16 August 2019, 17:06:13
Newest colour comparisons are up.
Regarding the question about GB for the Shiro cap, I'll need to wait for Wei to come back from his business trip before I can discuss it with him.
Loooooking GOOOOD
Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:43:12
Here are the newest colour samples:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/43lLqGC.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NFnrFyk.jpg)
2nd sample is on the left and the newest is on the right. As state previously, it is more obvious in person and even more so on an overcast day.
I'm happy with this latest colour and will post photos of the dyesubbed samples next week.
WOWZERz this new sample looks exquisite.
I must applaud your choice to chase perfection.
I am hopeful for a great dye-sub, but given the inherent color of the key cap sample. I am less wary of fuzzy legends.
My imagination is hopping for the black to be a wonderful deep black. The sorts of black, like the deep stretches of the night where not a light is to be found, but in the distance there is still hope for that light.
But to be truthful, you could hand draw some legends and I would still take them. Because that new sample already looks great!!!!
*Edit: quoted the wrong pictures.
Post by: Berzerker on Fri, 16 August 2019, 23:19:16
Is there an expected time to get the rest of the orders?
Post by: aleck on Sat, 17 August 2019, 09:36:04
Here are the newest colour samples:Maybe waiting was ok after all, I like the new white a lot moreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/43lLqGC.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NFnrFyk.jpg)
2nd sample is on the left and the newest is on the right. As state previously, it is more obvious in person and even more so on an overcast day.
I'm happy with this latest colour and will post photos of the dyesubbed samples next week.
Click below to see the old samplesMoreRepost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Post by: Digitize on Sat, 17 August 2019, 11:40:24
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Post by: D4PP3R on Sun, 18 August 2019, 00:48:33
Post by: foo4542 on Sun, 18 August 2019, 03:56:22
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 18 August 2019, 09:47:36
happy you corrected it again, looking forward :thumb:
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sun, 18 August 2019, 13:56:37
Happy with the new sample, looks only slightly cooler than WS1 and I might actually prefer that. Hope it will ship soon.
Post by: blizzara01 on Sun, 18 August 2019, 22:18:03
Post by: wellbeing44 on Mon, 19 August 2019, 06:25:35
I've just received the colour samples and they look even better than WS1 because they've managed to knock out even more of the peachy tone so they are bright and creamy.Late to the party, but that is a nice white! I don't mind waiting for this level of QC.
They aren't dyesubbed so I'd like to see how much bleed there is with this colour.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Mon, 19 August 2019, 15:01:18
Post by: BAS1C on Tue, 20 August 2019, 11:50:08
Still looking for base and japanese mods. Will pay or trade artisans for this set! :) Please slippy slide into my DM's.
Still looking.. Also, damn those white rama caps. I need that also :O
Post by: zekth on Tue, 20 August 2019, 18:37:26
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7qbAEDM.jpg)
what's this keyboard/pcb?
Post by: aleck on Tue, 20 August 2019, 22:38:18
It's a Chiwi60, I think.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7qbAEDM.jpg)
what's this keyboard/pcb?
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 24 August 2019, 17:50:03
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 24 August 2019, 19:38:09
Pls tell me they started manufacturing alreadyThey've started manufacturing but I'm still sorting the reversed dyesubbed caps. Hoping to reach an outcome for that in time to not affect the current critical path.
I've updated my 2nd post with a new photo of some dyesubbed samples.
Post by: turnstyle on Sat, 24 August 2019, 22:06:53
Pls tell me they started manufacturing alreadyThey've started manufacturing but I'm still sorting the reversed dyesubbed caps. Hoping to reach an outcome for that in time to not affect the current critical path.
I've updated my 2nd post with a new photo of some dyesubbed samples.
Thanks for all your hard work and diligence, really looking forward to this set however long it takes to get right. Can't wait to see what you have to show us next.
Post by: voight-kampff on Sun, 25 August 2019, 18:24:30
It is hard to tell from the picture, but I see that the reverse dyesub esc cap is not perfect. I got the feeling that during printing the ink bleeds somewat inside of the letters making them thinner as the letters on the normal.caps.Pls tell me they started manufacturing alreadyThey've started manufacturing but I'm still sorting the reversed dyesubbed caps. Hoping to reach an outcome for that in time to not affect the current critical path.
I've updated my 2nd post with a new photo of some dyesubbed samples.
Plus there is the optical illusion when printing the exact same letter on white with black and then reversed, the reversed print looks always as the letters were thinner.
Sorry for my English, hope it is clear what I mean.
Otherwise I really are looking forward to get the set. Hope there will be not a huge delay.
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Post by: ghost990 on Tue, 27 August 2019, 13:53:41
It is hard to tell from the picture, but I see that the reverse dyesub esc cap is not perfect. I got the feeling that during printing the ink bleeds somewat inside of the letters making them thinner as the letters on the normal.caps.Pls tell me they started manufacturing alreadyThey've started manufacturing but I'm still sorting the reversed dyesubbed caps. Hoping to reach an outcome for that in time to not affect the current critical path.
I've updated my 2nd post with a new photo of some dyesubbed samples.
Plus there is the optical illusion when printing the exact same letter on white with black and then reversed, the reversed print looks always as the letters were thinner.
Sorry for my English, hope it is clear what I mean.
Otherwise I really are looking forward to get the set. Hope there will be not a huge delay.
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Zoomed in real tight on the sample you mentioned and the Escape key looks fine to me with the reverse dye sub. I think it's mostly an optical illusion and need for a higher quality photo to really see the comparison of "thinness" of the letters.
If anything the Enter key looked to have thin legends when I zoomed in like crazy to the point where the quality of the photo was piss poor.
Overall, it's probably fine and just a combination of the reverse colored caps next to each other and photo quality. No need to delay any further.
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 27 August 2019, 14:36:56
The lettering looked thin to me. Especially compared to the black font on the white caps. Doesn't change the fact that they are a dark Navy instead of a pure black. I'm okay with more delays to get it perfect.It is hard to tell from the picture, but I see that the reverse dyesub esc cap is not perfect. I got the feeling that during printing the ink bleeds somewat inside of the letters making them thinner as the letters on the normal.caps.Pls tell me they started manufacturing alreadyThey've started manufacturing but I'm still sorting the reversed dyesubbed caps. Hoping to reach an outcome for that in time to not affect the current critical path.
I've updated my 2nd post with a new photo of some dyesubbed samples.
Plus there is the optical illusion when printing the exact same letter on white with black and then reversed, the reversed print looks always as the letters were thinner.
Sorry for my English, hope it is clear what I mean.
Otherwise I really are looking forward to get the set. Hope there will be not a huge delay.
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Zoomed in real tight on the sample you mentioned and the Escape key looks fine to me with the reverse dye sub. I think it's mostly an optical illusion and need for a higher quality photo to really see the comparison of "thinness" of the letters.
If anything the Enter key looked to have thin legends when I zoomed in like crazy to the point where the quality of the photo was piss poor.
Overall, it's probably fine and just a combination of the reverse colored caps next to each other and photo quality. No need to delay any further.
Post by: BAS1C on Tue, 27 August 2019, 16:08:25
Post by: Ghghop on Wed, 28 August 2019, 09:25:56
Any chance in adding an R2 run in concurrence with the R1 now that there are all the delays?
I would assume the priority right now is with making sure those that ordered get their sets before thinking about another run.
Post by: Digitize on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:28:08
Any chance in adding an R2 run in concurrence with the R1 now that there are all the delays?
I would assume the priority right now is with making sure those that ordered get their sets before thinking about another run.
Totally agree with statement above about getting current orders fulfilled before running another GB. The chaos that can ensue if another GB runs concurrently another and another, lets just not go there, cause in the end some people won’t be happy and won’t be satisfied no matter what explanation is given about timely production delays after delays.
Edited: spelling
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Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:48:55
Totally agree with statement above about getting current orders fulfilled before running another GB. The chaos that can ensue if another GB runs concurrently another and another, lets just not go there, cause I’m the end people won’t be happy and won’t be satisfied no matter what explanation is given about timely production delays after delays.
Is it really that much more complicated? You just tack more orders onto the bottom of the list, the suggestion was based on there being a delay either way... I don't think anyone is suggesting 4 GB's at one time.
Also it's more like opening it up for another round rather than running another GB, all the kinks are getting worked out concurrently. I understand wanting to be catered to first (rightfully so) but some objectivity is needed here.
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 28 August 2019, 17:28:27
Totally agree with statement above about getting current orders fulfilled before running another GB. The chaos that can ensue if another GB runs concurrently another and another, lets just not go there, cause I’m the end people won’t be happy and won’t be satisfied no matter what explanation is given about timely production delays after delays.
Is it really that much more complicated? You just tack more orders onto the bottom of the list, the suggestion was based on there being a delay either way... I don't think anyone is suggesting 4 GB's at one time.
Also it's more like opening it up for another round rather than running another GB, all the kinks are getting worked out concurrently. I understand wanting to be catered to first (rightfully so) but some objectivity is needed here.
This is correct. As they are not manufactured yet, it would be more of a "Add X orders to the bottom of original order list and pump out X more sets". I agree running a wholly separate GB concurrently is a bad idea. I just thought I would put the idea out there as it could help recoup any costs for extra samples etc that had to be produced.. My 0.02! Definitely don't want to negatively affect orders already placed.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 28 August 2019, 18:25:12
Totally agree with statement above about getting current orders fulfilled before running another GB. The chaos that can ensue if another GB runs concurrently another and another, lets just not go there, cause I’m the end people won’t be happy and won’t be satisfied no matter what explanation is given about timely production delays after delays.
Is it really that much more complicated? You just tack more orders onto the bottom of the list, the suggestion was based on there being a delay either way... I don't think anyone is suggesting 4 GB's at one time.
Also it's more like opening it up for another round rather than running another GB, all the kinks are getting worked out concurrently. I understand wanting to be catered to first (rightfully so) but some objectivity is needed here.
I could be mistaken about EPBT, but usually when you place the order, you're slotted in line based on your order size and then other orders (i.e.: other sets) are slotted behind you.
If one of the orders in the middle grows bigger, that pushes everyone else's schedule behind them.
So, it's not so simple as just tacking on more orders to this set. It may not affect people who have already ordered this set, but it will affect other sets behind Kuro/Shiro.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 28 August 2019, 19:44:07
If one of the orders in the middle grows bigger, that pushes everyone else's schedule behind them.
So, it's not so simple as just tacking on more orders to this set. It may not affect people who have already ordered this set, but it will affect other sets behind Kuro/Shiro.
If that is how it works, then I mean it does seem like you can just tack the orders on. Being worried about the timeline of someone else’s GB behind yours seems like something that can get out-of-hand.
They may not even allow it, my point is just that having 200 orders after re-opening the GB isn’t any different than having 200 orders originally in the GB. Assuming, of course, the limiting factor is color matching and such.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 28 August 2019, 23:31:15
If one of the orders in the middle grows bigger, that pushes everyone else's schedule behind them.
So, it's not so simple as just tacking on more orders to this set. It may not affect people who have already ordered this set, but it will affect other sets behind Kuro/Shiro.
If that is how it works, then I mean it does seem like you can just tack the orders on. Being worried about the timeline of someone else’s GB behind yours seems like something that can get out-of-hand.
They may not even allow it, my point is just that having 200 orders after re-opening the GB isn’t any different than having 200 orders originally in the GB. Assuming, of course, the limiting factor is color matching and such.
I'm a little confused on what you're saying.
It's not KBDFans being worried about other people's GBs. It's about EPBT worrying about other GBs in line.
Post by: Clo_0lD on Thu, 29 August 2019, 00:07:57
Our problem is that the restaurant screwed up our order and we're waiting at the window, but that doesn't mean we get to change the amount that we ordered because it would affect the people behind us even more and wouldn't be fair.
You also have to think about the logistics of this hypothetical 2nd GB. It would all need to be organized ASAP, with pretty much no marketing, and kbdfans would have to agree to run it and be able to run it soon so that ePBT could get the final numbers. Also, how long would this hypothetical GB last? Would we have to wait another month before we get the new order number? Or would it just be a quick one week or less thing? Either way, it would just lead to delays for everyone else waiting in line and it wouldn't be fair to any of them. There are enough delays already with the mismatching colors, we don't need any more problems. There's just way too much that can go wrong imo. Waiting for a R2 is probably the only and best option.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 29 August 2019, 00:15:56
I'm a little confused on what you're saying.
It's not KBDFans being worried about other people's GBs. It's about EPBT worrying about other GBs in line.
Most of the apparent confusion probably comes from thinking I’m raging for the GB to be reopened. When I said “they may not even allow it” I was referring to ePBT.
The whole point I am trying to make is that I don’t think it’s some logistical nightmare that would delay people’s sets. If ePBT allowed it and the runners wanted to, it shouldn’t be viewed as a negative thing.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 29 August 2019, 00:33:03
I'm a little confused on what you're saying.
It's not KBDFans being worried about other people's GBs. It's about EPBT worrying about other GBs in line.
Most of the apparent confusion probably comes from thinking I’m raging for the GB to be reopened. When I said “they may not even allow it” I was referring to ePBT.
The whole point I am trying to make is that I don’t think it’s some logistical nightmare that would delay people’s sets. If ePBT allowed it and the runners wanted to, it shouldn’t be viewed as a negative thing.
If KBDFans and EPBT both were OK with it, then it wouldn't be an issue. I'm not sure anyone is arguing with you on that.
I'm saying there is probably a very real reason why EPBT would not allow it.
Post by: Digitize on Thu, 29 August 2019, 03:21:59
It's like if you were to go to a busy drive-thru restaurant. You finally place your order after waiting in line. Meanwhile, cars are stacking up behind you waiting to order and get stuff as well. Once you get to the window, you changed your mind and now you want something else on top of what you originally ordered. It wouldn't be right to do this because you're just screwing the people behind you by delaying because you suddenly decide you wanted more food. The only option is to get what you originally ordered and then go through the line again.
Our problem is that the restaurant screwed up our order and we're waiting at the window, but that doesn't mean we get to change the amount that we ordered because it would affect the people behind us even more and wouldn't be fair.
You also have to think about the logistics of this hypothetical 2nd GB. It would all need to be organized ASAP, with pretty much no marketing, and kbdfans would have to agree to run it and be able to run it soon so that ePBT could get the final numbers. Also, how long would this hypothetical GB last? Would we have to wait another month before we get the new order number? Or would it just be a quick one week or less thing? Either way, it would just lead to delays for everyone else waiting in line and it wouldn't be fair to any of them. There are enough delays already with the mismatching colors, we don't need any more problems. There's just way too much that can go wrong imo. Waiting for a R2 is probably the only and best option.
Huh..I like you analogy with the use of food.
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Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 29 August 2019, 08:19:56
If KBDFans and EPBT both were OK with it, then it wouldn't be an issue. I'm not sure anyone is arguing with you on that.
I'm saying there is probably a very real reason why EPBT would not allow it.
The initial concern that was voiced after mentioning re-opening the GB was that current spot holders would get their sets later. This is what I’ve been arguing against.
Deciding whether KBDFans and epbt would allow it isn’t worthwhile, it’s up to them.
Post by: Ghghop on Thu, 29 August 2019, 08:44:00
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 29 August 2019, 08:49:05
I only meant in my earlier comment that it would make sense for KBDfans and epbt to finish what the started before beginning another run. I have no issues with another run of the keycap set. I am not arguing whether or not another addition to the order would delay anything further, just that to me it makes sense to follow through on the current orders before even planning another run. As speculated above it is usually more complicated when making these large orders with manufacturers than asking for them to make more. There is a process to it all.
Why would existing GB participants care if it doesn’t affect them?
Post by: voight-kampff on Thu, 29 August 2019, 11:17:14
I hope we can get infos about Kuro/Shiro from now on and not about food.
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Post by: fleeceman on Thu, 29 August 2019, 14:05:04
Post by: wellbeing44 on Thu, 29 August 2019, 23:42:12
I only meant in my earlier comment that it would make sense for KBDfans and epbt to finish what the started before beginning another run. I have no issues with another run of the keycap set. I am not arguing whether or not another addition to the order would delay anything further, just that to me it makes sense to follow through on the current orders before even planning another run. As speculated above it is usually more complicated when making these large orders with manufacturers than asking for them to make more. There is a process to it all.
Why would existing GB participants care if it doesn’t affect them?
This kind of thinking brings our community down :(
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 30 August 2019, 01:35:38
I only meant in my earlier comment that it would make sense for KBDfans and epbt to finish what the started before beginning another run. I have no issues with another run of the keycap set. I am not arguing whether or not another addition to the order would delay anything further, just that to me it makes sense to follow through on the current orders before even planning another run. As speculated above it is usually more complicated when making these large orders with manufacturers than asking for them to make more. There is a process to it all.
Why would existing GB participants care if it doesn’t affect them?
This kind of thinking brings our community down :(
Uhhh. What?
Wanting more people to have caps is a bad thing for the community?
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 30 August 2019, 01:39:17
Otherwise, we can hope for extras, even if unlikely
Post by: gordonderp on Fri, 30 August 2019, 06:55:52
I only meant in my earlier comment that it would make sense for KBDfans and epbt to finish what the started before beginning another run. I have no issues with another run of the keycap set. I am not arguing whether or not another addition to the order would delay anything further, just that to me it makes sense to follow through on the current orders before even planning another run. As speculated above it is usually more complicated when making these large orders with manufacturers than asking for them to make more. There is a process to it all.
Why would existing GB participants care if it doesn’t affect them?
This kind of thinking brings our community down :(
Uhhh. What?
Wanting more people to have caps is a bad thing for the community?
I think he's agreeing with you
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Thu, 05 September 2019, 21:20:58
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 05 September 2019, 23:24:04
Any update when they are shipping? It has been almost 2 months since the announcement.Don't have a firm date yet but they are manufacturing as we speak. I'll try to get a timeline from KBDfans.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Fri, 06 September 2019, 00:57:44
Any update when they are shipping? It has been almost 2 months since the announcement.Don't have a firm date yet but they are manufacturing as we speak. I'll try to get a timeline from KBDfans.
Did you already get a black reverse dye subbed sample you like? I hope it ships by end of this month.
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:07:52
Don't have a firm date yet but they are manufacturing as we speak. I'll try to get a timeline from KBDfans.Thank you for the update :thumb:
Post by: rondg on Fri, 06 September 2019, 20:08:01
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 07 September 2019, 18:34:13
When is the RAMA keycap GB?This will probably be deferred till later. KBDfans will have a lot on their plate due to how successfull the Polaris GB was.
Post by: D4PP3R on Sat, 07 September 2019, 20:34:54
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 07 September 2019, 22:24:54
How concerned do I have to be that my spacebars will be warped? Never gotten an EPBT set, so I'm not sure what to expect.
Well spacebar warping is a hit and miss and most you can easily DIY fix. My EPBT slate spacebars are pretty much straight
Post by: D4PP3R on Mon, 09 September 2019, 00:11:34
Source: https://postalpro.usps.com/mnt/glusterfs/2019-06/Universal%20Postal%20Union%20Exit%20Update_MTAC%20June%2019.pdf
After the 17th, should talks between the US and the United Nations fail, the prices for shipping from China to the USA, and possibly Canada as well, will be renegotiated to a higher cost. A cost that is likely in-line with domestic US shipping costs (like $10), if not twice that, considering the differing distances of shipment. Needless to say, all those that chose Epacket as their method of shipment will have to pay the difference before their package can be shipped, as well as possibly everyone else, as a result of the possible increase in shipping prices across the board. New shipping route may have to be selected to service people in Canada, which will save you money, but will likely take a long time.
In other words, there is a hard time limit on the shipment and delivery of this drop before receiving your package becomes a hell of a lot more complicated.
Post by: ThePanduuh on Mon, 09 September 2019, 20:37:11
that's not that far away. might actually come along side my kbd8x mk2!
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 10 September 2019, 16:49:54
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 10 September 2019, 16:51:30
Arriving by Sept 20 or being shipped at Sept 20?I'm assuming arriving to KBDFans on the 20th by the phrasing on their Discord.
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Post by: D4PP3R on Tue, 10 September 2019, 18:46:02
Arriving by Sept 20 or being shipped at Sept 20?I'm assuming arriving to KBDFans on the 20th by the phrasing on their Discord.
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As long as all of the shipments can be sent out before Oct 17th, there is hope that there will be no interference of shipping prices, but I'm concerned that there will be a big problem with the cost of shipping possibly going up while the package is in transit. If the packages are handed off to another shipping company, mid-way through deliver, they may be forced to abide by the new shipping cost rules, which would probably mean that they would be stuck in transit until the difference can be payed in some way. I'm fairly confident, given the trade ware going on between China and the US, that talks will fail, resulting in the cost renegotiation that will make this hella complicated.
Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Tue, 10 September 2019, 21:34:47
Arriving by Sept 20 or being shipped at Sept 20?I'm assuming arriving to KBDFans on the 20th by the phrasing on their Discord.
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As long as all of the shipments can be sent out before Oct 17th, there is hope that there will be no interference of shipping prices, but I'm concerned that there will be a big problem with the cost of shipping possibly going up while the package is in transit. If the packages are handed off to another shipping company, mid-way through deliver, they may be forced to abide by the new shipping cost rules, which would probably mean that they would be stuck in transit until the difference can be payed in some way. I'm fairly confident, given the trade ware going on between China and the US, that talks will fail, resulting in the cost renegotiation that will make this hella complicated.
I imagine there would be some sort of grace period, that would allow something that is in-transit to not be affected by the increased shipping costs. A change to shipping costs like that would surely mess up more than our precious key caps, and would throw a massive wrench in the global market, that I hope some one would have realized before hand.
Post by: cemoon on Tue, 10 September 2019, 22:11:32
Arriving by Sept 20 or being shipped at Sept 20?Update on kbdfans.com: "9-10：It is expected to be shipped in late September or early October, and the raw materials are being injected"
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 11 September 2019, 01:21:58
Arriving by Sept 20 or being shipped at Sept 20?Update on kbdfans.com: "9-10：It is expected to be shipped in late September or early October, and the raw materials are being injected"
Thanks babe
Post by: aleck on Wed, 11 September 2019, 22:12:21
It's happening!Arriving by Sept 20 or being shipped at Sept 20?Update on kbdfans.com: "9-10：It is expected to be shipped in late September or early October, and the raw materials are being injected"
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 12 September 2019, 00:12:04
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Post by: vicissitude on Sat, 14 September 2019, 02:47:44
Make me feel like really close. :p
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 14 September 2019, 03:51:44
Crazy excited about this, cause i’ve just grown more and more fond of epbt lately! So happy i joined this one.
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F yes! And i think this is gonna be one of the few sets, if not the ONLY set with a Japanese translated Danish and Norwegian Æ separately haha, imo that is pretty dope :P
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 24 September 2019, 06:38:04
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Post by: D4PP3R on Tue, 24 September 2019, 08:13:52
Post by: voight-kampff on Tue, 24 September 2019, 08:37:30
but beside white dye-sub on black keys is not possible. They need to do inverse dye-sub, so not the white but the black areas will be inked.
This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.
Post by: slxdegrees on Tue, 24 September 2019, 11:44:33
This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.This seems like your first keyset GB. While I can't say I'm not disappointed by how this has been delayed repeatedly, I have been in enough gbs to not be surprised any longer. I mean, what else can you do bar wait? Demanding it go faster or voicing your stern disapproval is not gonna make it go any quicker. If you're really not keen on paying extra, just cancel and get a refund - I'm sure kbdfans will be more than willing to accede to that particular request.
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Post by: CYFX on Tue, 24 September 2019, 12:09:28
This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.
Here are the newest colour samples:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JuxHRkI.jpg)
Below are photos from KBDfans showing the latest reversed dyesubbed samples.
Left is kuro/shiro, right is from an ABS set. They have managed to get it very black.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mtx33jp.jpg)
More samples:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jw8tPdc.jpg)
I've given the greenlight for the normal dyesubbed keys so they are manufacturing those now but I'm not happy with the reversed dyesubbed keys.
When I received the first batch of samples, they were more of a very very dark navy. Since then, they've tried reversed dyesubbing onto the WS1 base, L9 and the white from Black on White to see what base cap would yield the best black.
L9 makes the legends look tan and Black on White had the best tone of black but the legends don't match well enough.
Right now, I'm getting them to use the WS1 base and light the link a smidgen by adding some red/brown tone into it to offset the blue.
Click below to see the old samplesMoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/43lLqGC.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NFnrFyk.jpg)
2nd sample is on the left and the newest is on the right. As state previously, it is more obvious in person and even more so on an overcast day.
I'm happy with this latest colour and will post photos of the dyesubbed samples next week.
Repost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Gok stated in the samples post previously, that there was initially an issue with the black keys looking “fuzzy” around the white lettering.
In this post I have quoted from, they mention that the black was almost a navy rather than a dark black.
Based on this post The black color has since been correct.
Post by: Hell-es on Tue, 24 September 2019, 13:45:46
At least happy to somehow got a spot after the gb end ... so i won‘t complain
Post by: Berzerker on Tue, 24 September 2019, 14:22:36
This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.
Ask for a refund and quit your *****ing if you can't handle delays like this. This is not that bad and incredibly common in these.
Post by: voight-kampff on Tue, 24 September 2019, 14:25:14
The new colour samples look really nice. God work.This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.Here are the newest colour samples:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JuxHRkI.jpg)
Below are photos from KBDfans showing the latest reversed dyesubbed samples.
Left is kuro/shiro, right is from an ABS set. They have managed to get it very black.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mtx33jp.jpg)
More samples:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jw8tPdc.jpg)
I've given the greenlight for the normal dyesubbed keys so they are manufacturing those now but I'm not happy with the reversed dyesubbed keys.
When I received the first batch of samples, they were more of a very very dark navy. Since then, they've tried reversed dyesubbing onto the WS1 base, L9 and the white from Black on White to see what base cap would yield the best black.
L9 makes the legends look tan and Black on White had the best tone of black but the legends don't match well enough.
Right now, I'm getting them to use the WS1 base and light the link a smidgen by adding some red/brown tone into it to offset the blue.
Click below to see the old samplesMoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/43lLqGC.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NFnrFyk.jpg)
2nd sample is on the left and the newest is on the right. As state previously, it is more obvious in person and even more so on an overcast day.
I'm happy with this latest colour and will post photos of the dyesubbed samples next week.
Repost from IC thread.
Here are pics of the latest samples.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXD7bOE.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under natural light. The colour is a bit more saturated than in person but is a little more colour accurate than the DSLR.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9cnnv69.jpg)
Taken on a camera phone under artificial light. The warmth gets compounded.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gzV1gx6.jpg)
Latest sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OLlrzaf.jpg)
First sampleShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sZFEs1e.jpg)
Back in March, I had sent colour swatches for EPBT to colour match to and the samples arrived in April. I told KBDfans that it was too red and that to get a better idea of the hue, you need to look at the back of the keycaps rather than the top.
They agreed and asked if they could approve the next round of samples. I obliged because I thought it would be a simple task since they just needed to make a colour halfway between the first and second samples (brightness similar to the second sample but in a more neutral hue like the first sample) and I thought we were on the same page and also they knew from the beginning what my aims were.
This was my mistake and the third sample which got the green light by KBDfans went into production. I received the samples this week and I noticed that they looked really warm so I compared them to the colour samples that I received in April and found that they were virtually the same so I alerted KBDfans who put a stop on the production in order for us to re-confirm the colour again.
I'm sorry about the inconvenience this causes but I believe that getting a better product is worth the extra delays.
Gok stated in the samples post previously, that there was initially an issue with the black keys looking “fuzzy” around the white lettering.
In this post I have quoted from, they mention that the black was almost a navy rather than a dark black.
Based on this post The black color has since been correct.
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Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 24 September 2019, 14:27:30
This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.
I'm really not that worried about a $10 to $20 up charge for international shipping. That's kind of making a mountain out of a mole hill. Also you can't dyesub a lighter color onto a darker plastic. That's why reverse dyesub is a thing in the first place.
Post by: ThePanduuh on Tue, 24 September 2019, 15:44:09
Post by: KawabataLuis on Tue, 24 September 2019, 16:07:16
Post by: Digitize on Tue, 24 September 2019, 16:52:01
These people feeling disappointed, this must be their first time.
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Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 24 September 2019, 19:16:30
Regarding updates, as I've stated before I'm not in the KBDfans discord so many of you would be better getting your updates from the horse's mouth.
I've just read the screenshot of the update from their discord and regarding the black reversed dyesubbed keys, they've needed to double dyesub those to avoid them looking like the TKC katakana WoB keyset.
Post by: CYFX on Tue, 24 September 2019, 20:12:27
I've just read the screenshot of the update from their discord and regarding the black reversed dyesubbed keys, they've needed to double dyesub those to avoid them looking like the TKC katakana WoB keyset.
Thank you! Even though I love my katakana WoB, I do wish they would have taken the time and made the black darker. I can’t wait to get my hands on this set.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 26 September 2019, 22:46:40
I think what's more disappointing is they've been saying estimated delivery late september for 3 weeks now. now here we are in late september and they delay it again. 'Tis the name of the game I guess. It's kinda working out that my KBD8x MkII is also delayed heavily too.Oct 1-7 is Chinese Natonal Day + Golden Week, so my guess is that since they couldn't make it before the end of Sept, it got pushed back a bit further (After any big holiday, Chinese factories tend to take at least a couple more days to get back to speed as workers return from their hometowns).
Honestly, as long as quality and delivery is gauranteed, I don't mind waiting a bit longer. I've been through enough GBs to know this should not be taken for granted.
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 27 September 2019, 16:20:51
Post by: hpdung99 on Sat, 28 September 2019, 07:05:19
Bummer that this doesn't support JIS :/
I had the same disappointment. Hope that it would run R2 or have a custom kit for JIS, although the probability is extremely low. Tbf JIS supporting sets are rare, maybe only 1 I guess (SimpleJA)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 29 September 2019, 13:18:01
EnjoyPBT doesn't have all of the molds required for full JIS (e.g 4.5u spacebar).Bummer that this doesn't support JIS :/
I had the same disappointment. Hope that it would run R2 or have a custom kit for JIS, although the probability is extremely low. Tbf JIS supporting sets are rare, maybe only 1 I guess (SimpleJA)
It's not like there are tons of custom kits with JIS layout anyway.
Most people, and even popular brands, just use ISO (plus maybe split spacebars, e.g Minila Air).
Post by: aleck on Sun, 29 September 2019, 18:57:34
Is it even possible to request a refund though?This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.
Ask for a refund and quit your *****ing if you can't handle delays like this. This is not that bad and incredibly common in these.
Post by: Yuri1992 on Sun, 29 September 2019, 20:15:26
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 29 September 2019, 20:21:53
Any updates of the new rama keycap ?I'll be deferring this till later so that it's one less thing for KBDfans to worry about until all kuro/shiro sets have shipped.
Post by: voight-kampff on Mon, 30 September 2019, 07:39:32
Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 30 September 2019, 14:06:28
That goes only for the Rama white keycap, and not for the RAMA Kuro Brass Keycaps, right?I've heard that some of the brass caps have shipped already.
Post by: Yuri1992 on Mon, 30 September 2019, 20:12:56
Thank you for your update. Really interesting in it.Any updates of the new rama keycap ?I'll be deferring this till later so that it's one less thing for KBDfans to worry about until all kuro/shiro sets have shipped.
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 01 October 2019, 00:36:21
That goes only for the Rama white keycap, and not for the RAMA Kuro Brass Keycaps, right?I've heard that some of the brass caps have shipped already.
Can confirm, received my brass cap last week. Looks amazing.
Post by: MacSurfy on Tue, 01 October 2019, 05:46:24
That goes only for the Rama white keycap, and not for the RAMA Kuro Brass Keycaps, right?I've heard that some of the brass caps have shipped already.
Can confirm, received my brass cap last week. Looks amazing.
pics pls :cool:
Post by: switchnollie on Tue, 01 October 2019, 13:06:27
Any updates of the new rama keycap ?I'll be deferring this till later so that it's one less thing for KBDfans to worry about until all kuro/shiro sets have shipped.
Boss, you know if they will have extra sets afterwards?
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 01 October 2019, 14:20:19
Last I heard, there wasn't going to be.Any updates of the new rama keycap ?I'll be deferring this till later so that it's one less thing for KBDfans to worry about until all kuro/shiro sets have shipped.
Boss, you know if they will have extra sets afterwards?
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 01 October 2019, 14:48:35
That goes only for the Rama white keycap, and not for the RAMA Kuro Brass Keycaps, right?I've heard that some of the brass caps have shipped already.
Can confirm, received my brass cap last week. Looks amazing.
pics pls :cool:
Sorry for the potato pic, I don't have a fancy camera. The shine is crazy. Great quality from Rama as expected.
Post by: MacSurfy on Tue, 01 October 2019, 15:22:55
That goes only for the Rama white keycap, and not for the RAMA Kuro Brass Keycaps, right?I've heard that some of the brass caps have shipped already.
Can confirm, received my brass cap last week. Looks amazing.
pics pls :cool:
Sorry for the potato pic, I don't have a fancy camera. The shine is crazy. Great quality from Rama as expected.
Looking great. The only artisan I've ever had feelings for :)
Post by: voight-kampff on Tue, 01 October 2019, 15:43:10
did you ordered only the rama cap?
That goes only for the Rama white keycap, and not for the RAMA Kuro Brass Keycaps, right?I've heard that some of the brass caps have shipped already.
Can confirm, received my brass cap last week. Looks amazing.
pics pls :cool:
Sorry for the potato pic, I don't have a fancy camera. The shine is crazy. Great quality from Rama as expected.
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 01 October 2019, 16:03:33
cool
did you ordered only the rama cap?That goes only for the Rama white keycap, and not for the RAMA Kuro Brass Keycaps, right?I've heard that some of the brass caps have shipped already.
Can confirm, received my brass cap last week. Looks amazing.
pics pls :cool:
Sorry for the potato pic, I don't have a fancy camera. The shine is crazy. Great quality from Rama as expected.
No, I ordered all of the kits except the International and Planck.
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Tue, 08 October 2019, 00:33:05
Post by: Berzerker on Fri, 11 October 2019, 23:38:37
Is it even possible to request a refund though?This is an absolute ****show, I doubt that they'll even meet the Oct 20th timeframe. The US and China are renegotiating shipping rates on the 17th, so we'll all likely have to pay extra at this point. Not to mention, what in gods name are they talking about for the black dye-sub? I thought the agreed apon idea was that they were going to do white dye-subs on black keys.... We need an update from Gok.
Ask for a refund and quit your *****ing if you can't handle delays like this. This is not that bad and incredibly common in these.
Yes. You can message Wei on kbdfans or discord. He's very obliging and understanding in these types of situations.
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 12 October 2019, 06:34:38
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 12 October 2019, 07:36:08
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Post by: dantambok on Sat, 12 October 2019, 08:20:03
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 12 October 2019, 12:49:32
Post by: otanishock on Sat, 12 October 2019, 14:04:53
I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.That's hot. Excited to get mine. Can't wait to see how crazy people will go after these on the aftermarket, especially the Japanese mods :)).
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 12 October 2019, 16:49:23
I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.
Seems like the date gets further and further away
Post by: snurrebassen on Sun, 13 October 2019, 02:37:00
So happy i went with japanese mods too!! can’t wait to see the artisan as well :>I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.That's hot. Excited to get mine. Can't wait to see how crazy people will go after these on the aftermarket, especially the Japanese mods :)).
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Post by: Digitize on Sun, 13 October 2019, 12:19:24
Hey at least it will be getting shipped soon so don’t argue about the date.I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.
Seems like the date gets further and further away
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Post by: justsomerandomusername on Sun, 13 October 2019, 12:58:57
Hey at least it will be getting shipped soon so don’t argue about the date.I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.
Seems like the date gets further and further away
Why not? I has been months since the original shipping date.
Post by: aleck on Sun, 13 October 2019, 20:45:29
I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.Yay! Finally!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 13 October 2019, 22:09:51
It's not ideal, but trust me, once it arrives, you won't remember the long wait.Hey at least it will be getting shipped soon so don’t argue about the date.I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.
Seems like the date gets further and further away
Why not? I has been months since the original shipping date.
That we know for sure it is coming is the most important bit.
Post by: Ghghop on Mon, 14 October 2019, 08:38:22
Post by: wellbeing44 on Thu, 17 October 2019, 02:46:04
Reasons were given and the runner has been keeping us up to date. I for one appreciate Gok's efforts in getting the right color. If you would like a set immediately, please consider Tai Hao.Hey at least it will be getting shipped soon so don’t argue about the date.I've asked KBDfans and they said it would be completed on the 20th and arrive at their warehouse on the 24th.
Seems like the date gets further and further away
Why not? I has been months since the original shipping date.
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 17 October 2019, 02:49:42
Quote
Reasons were given and the runner has been keeping us up to date. I for one appreciate Gok's efforts in getting the right color. If you would like a set immediately, please consider Tai Hao.I totally agree. Rather want a top notch set delayed, rather than a decent set quickly. Same happened with Susuwatari
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Post by: neah12 on Thu, 17 October 2019, 06:46:20
Post by: Tranq on Thu, 17 October 2019, 14:01:40
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 17 October 2019, 22:25:28
Will there be extras for this?
Word throughout the thread and KBDFans discord is no extras.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 20 October 2019, 23:54:01
Quote
Epbt Kuro Shiro： Sorry for the delay again. I thought the factory would send it to us on Saturday, but the factory said this morning that it is expected to send it to our warehouse next week
From Discord. One more week you guys. Hang in there.
Post by: Ghghop on Mon, 21 October 2019, 08:27:33
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Mon, 21 October 2019, 21:09:34
QuoteEpbt Kuro Shiro： Sorry for the delay again. I thought the factory would send it to us on Saturday, but the factory said this morning that it is expected to send it to our warehouse next week
From Discord. One more week you guys. Hang in there.
What the actual ****... So far I am really disappointed with how everything has progressed.
I understand the reasons for the delay, but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed at how long this is taking and how some mistakes could have been avoided.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 21 October 2019, 23:33:09
Post by: hammerbrotha on Tue, 22 October 2019, 01:41:00
QuoteEpbt Kuro Shiro： Sorry for the delay again. I thought the factory would send it to us on Saturday, but the factory said this morning that it is expected to send it to our warehouse next week
From Discord. One more week you guys. Hang in there.
What the actual ****... So far I am really disappointed with how everything has progressed.
I understand the reasons for the delay, but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed at how long this is taking and how some mistakes could have been avoided.
It's pretty typical in this hobby. I've never had any keyset ship on time. More often than not there have been delays of 1-4 months.
Post by: Berzerker on Tue, 22 October 2019, 12:45:51
QuoteEpbt Kuro Shiro： Sorry for the delay again. I thought the factory would send it to us on Saturday, but the factory said this morning that it is expected to send it to our warehouse next week
From Discord. One more week you guys. Hang in there.
What the actual ****... So far I am really disappointed with how everything has progressed.
I understand the reasons for the delay, but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed at how long this is taking and how some mistakes could have been avoided.
Holy **** is this everyone's first GB?
Seriously it's a ****ing *week*, suck it the **** up and stop complaining. Jesus christ.
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 22 October 2019, 14:10:16
QuoteEpbt Kuro Shiro： Sorry for the delay again. I thought the factory would send it to us on Saturday, but the factory said this morning that it is expected to send it to our warehouse next week
From Discord. One more week you guys. Hang in there.
What the actual ****... So far I am really disappointed with how everything has progressed.
I understand the reasons for the delay, but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed at how long this is taking and how some mistakes could have been avoided.
Holy **** is this everyone's first GB?
Seriously it's a ****ing *week*, suck it the **** up and stop complaining. Jesus christ.
Considering it's an EPBT set, it very well could be their first time. Now they can learn what it really means to be an enthusiast in this hobby.
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 22 October 2019, 16:19:56
QuoteEpbt Kuro Shiro： Sorry for the delay again. I thought the factory would send it to us on Saturday, but the factory said this morning that it is expected to send it to our warehouse next week
From Discord. One more week you guys. Hang in there.
What the actual ****... So far I am really disappointed with how everything has progressed.
I understand the reasons for the delay, but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed at how long this is taking and how some mistakes could have been avoided.
You're yelling at the flight attendant because the plane is grounded because it's hailing outside.
Post by: KawabataLuis on Tue, 22 October 2019, 22:21:32
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 22 October 2019, 23:34:58
Or join enough GBs so that you’ll always have something coming along, despite delays.
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Post by: Digitize on Wed, 23 October 2019, 00:33:48
Took the words right out of my head. Well said good sir.QuoteEpbt Kuro Shiro： Sorry for the delay again. I thought the factory would send it to us on Saturday, but the factory said this morning that it is expected to send it to our warehouse next week
From Discord. One more week you guys. Hang in there.
What the actual ****... So far I am really disappointed with how everything has progressed.
I understand the reasons for the delay, but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed at how long this is taking and how some mistakes could have been avoided.
Holy **** is this everyone's first GB?
Seriously it's a ****ing *week*, suck it the **** up and stop complaining. Jesus christ.
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Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 23 October 2019, 00:35:13
Or join enough GBs so that you’ll always have something coming along, despite delays.
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Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 23 October 2019, 01:06:04
Stoicism, dear fellow GBers.
Or join enough GBs so that you’ll always have something coming along, despite delays.
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A Stoic wouldn't buy anything for materialistic gain in the first place.
The only thing preventing people from raging is thier experience with much ****tier GBs
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 23 October 2019, 04:25:10
The honest truth.Stoicism, dear fellow GBers.
Or join enough GBs so that you’ll always have something coming along, despite delays.
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A Stoic wouldn't buy anything for materialistic gain in the first place.
The only thing preventing people from raging is thier experience with much ****tier GBs
Over at GMK Peach n Cream, the GB finished in August but they are still waiting for samples from GMK for the THIRD time to correctly match the intended colors.
Like I said, just hang in there.
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 23 October 2019, 04:31:24
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 23 October 2019, 04:35:22
be pretty clear. It’s impossible to perfectly plan these productions unless it’s mass produced. That again takes down the value of each set. I’d rather have a relatively rare, more expensive set delayed than a cheaper, mass produced set on time. Pick and choose.
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Post by: dantambok on Wed, 23 October 2019, 05:16:13
Post by: Ghghop on Wed, 23 October 2019, 20:27:31
Stoicism, dear fellow GBers.
Or join enough GBs so that you’ll always have something coming along, despite delays.
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A Stoic wouldn't buy anything for materialistic gain in the first place.
The only thing preventing people from raging is thier experience with much ****tier GBs
You realize that the complaining doesn't make it get to you faster right? You've waited this long nothing stopping you from waiting a little more.
Post by: Berzerker on Thu, 24 October 2019, 00:23:40
Stoicism, dear fellow GBers.
Or join enough GBs so that you’ll always have something coming along, despite delays.
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A Stoic wouldn't buy anything for materialistic gain in the first place.
The only thing preventing people from raging is thier experience with much ****tier GBs
People know what they get themselves into. Delays are common, issues are unforeseen, you suck it up and you live with it.
If you can't do that, don't participate in the GB.
Post by: D4PP3R on Thu, 24 October 2019, 03:03:58
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:05:43
Complaining aside, I feel like the group buy process should be more streamlined than what it currently is. If group buys were a more common way of purchasing items, there would have been enough competition in the sector for there to have been massive improvements in how these drops are handled. Y'all are just acting like sheeps, trying to justify what is clearly bad customer service at multiple ends of the group buy interaction because others just so happen to have treated you even ****tier in the past. We suck it up and wait for the product, there is nothing else we can do if we want to buy sick keycaps, but those that complain have every justification to do so when a product they paid for takes more than twice as long to arrive at their door than they expected. Some of the more notoriously bad companies and group buy runners should pray that there isn't any more growth in this industry because they will find themselves unable to make any money when consumers have actual options. I do thank Gok for owning up to his mistake and being transparent about the situation, I hope this experience will allow him to better manage drops in the future.
Nah, the people complaining are just used to dealing with companies that have items for sale that already exist. These aren't brick and motor stores. This isn't Amazon. These keysets exist as intangibles and vendors are at the mercy of the manufacturers. I assure you there were set backs in the production of every single item you've ever bought, you've just never had to participate in their creation. Miscommunications happen. Delays happen. The only thing we can ask for is communication which we've been given.
Post by: r5d on Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:47:44
Post by: KawabataLuis on Thu, 24 October 2019, 08:55:34
Complaining aside, I feel like the group buy process should be more streamlined than what it currently is. If group buys were a more common way of purchasing items, there would have been enough competition in the sector for there to have been massive improvements in how these drops are handled. Y'all are just acting like sheeps, trying to justify what is clearly bad customer service at multiple ends of the group buy interaction because others just so happen to have treated you even ****tier in the past. We suck it up and wait for the product, there is nothing else we can do if we want to buy sick keycaps, but those that complain have every justification to do so when a product they paid for takes more than twice as long to arrive at their door than they expected. Some of the more notoriously bad companies and group buy runners should pray that there isn't any more growth in this industry because they will find themselves unable to make any money when consumers have actual options. I do thank Gok for owning up to his mistake and being transparent about the situation, I hope this experience will allow him to better manage drops in the future.
I think the point was already made, but the thing is most gb runners and designers are members of the community and known by a lot of people. When they go make a set, a board, they have to deal with external things, like manufacturers, a lot of times in china. And people on this hobby are usually quite picky, so these runners can't just let some wrong colors pass, because the ideia of the set that they sold on the GB has to be met. Otherwise, people will just throw hate at them like in a lot of cases with DROP.com. And the core of it is the very fact that a gb sells items that still gotta go through production. Even though sometimes designers can get proto items before starting the gb, it doesn't ensure that the production samples will be at the same quality and everything perfect. And we get it. In such a process a LOT of stuff can go wrong. Bashing the runner/designer for not foreseeing the delays is simply stupid imo. And most gbs these days have the classic "Be aware that this is a group buy and thigs can go to **** sometimes", which is there because they can indeed go to **** sometimes.
Post by: MacSurfy on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:00:54
Cheers!
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Thu, 24 October 2019, 17:38:56
Post by: Berzerker on Thu, 24 October 2019, 22:53:06
Ghghop and Berzerker... my comments were more of stating the factually obvious than a complaint. But you guys just really had to quote me didn't you? Feels good being the moral authority on the subject? Your comments added nothing to the discussion thread either, let's not get on our high horses here.Your mindless complaining added less. At least my comments addressed the pointless complaining that was going on.
Just wait and you'll get your product. No need to rant about nothing in here.
Post by: voight-kampff on Fri, 25 October 2019, 03:32:03
Lol, can't resistGhghop and Berzerker... my comments were more of stating the factually obvious than a complaint. But you guys just really had to quote me didn't you? Feels good being the moral authority on the subject? Your comments added nothing to the discussion thread either, let's not get on our high horses here.Your mindless complaining added less. At least my comments addressed the pointless complaining that was going on.
Just wait and you'll get your product. No need to rant about nothing in here.
Complaining about complaining :D
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Post by: Ghghop on Fri, 25 October 2019, 09:39:11
Ghghop and Berzerker... my comments were more of stating the factually obvious than a complaint. But you guys just really had to quote me didn't you? Feels good being the moral authority on the subject? Your comments added nothing to the discussion thread either, let's not get on our high horses here.
Not a high horse, just saying that while I am sure that the GB runners look at comments like yours and try to take something from it, it can be a lot more discouraging than constructive to complain so aggressively. You get much further with sugar rather than vinegar. You do you, but I think it is safe to assume at this point in the GB it is not going to do anything to expedite the process.
I agree with the others posts though, this thread is meant to monitor for updates at this point. If you have complaints to voice to the GB runner there are other avenues to do so.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Fri, 25 October 2019, 20:04:17
Ghghop and Berzerker... my comments were more of stating the factually obvious than a complaint. But you guys just really had to quote me didn't you? Feels good being the moral authority on the subject? Your comments added nothing to the discussion thread either, let's not get on our high horses here.Your mindless complaining added less. At least my comments addressed the pointless complaining that was going on.
Just wait and you'll get your product. No need to rant about nothing in here.
Complains about complaining while being one of the few guys actually ranting here. That's exactly what I mean when I say you two are on a high horse, a complete lack of self-awareness. Half the point of GB threads is to complain, constructively or not. I wasn't even complaining myself, I was simply saying at this point expect 5 more delay notifications and expect the worst.
On the other hand, there's no right or wrong when it comes to complaining. Are you going to go into Hyperfuse threads and tell people missing their f8 keys for years they're not justified to complain? Right now you're thinking "okay so what, this GB is only delayed for few months" and my response would be there's no universal delay threshold where complaining becomes justified. If people want to vent, fine and sometimes it indeed gets the job done. What I can't stand are the hypocrites.
Post by: Berzerker on Fri, 25 October 2019, 20:33:41
Ghghop and Berzerker... my comments were more of stating the factually obvious than a complaint. But you guys just really had to quote me didn't you? Feels good being the moral authority on the subject? Your comments added nothing to the discussion thread either, let's not get on our high horses here.Your mindless complaining added less. At least my comments addressed the pointless complaining that was going on.
Just wait and you'll get your product. No need to rant about nothing in here.
Complains about complaining while being one of the few guys actually ranting here. That's exactly what I mean when I say you two are on a high horse, a complete lack of self-awareness. Half the point of GB threads is to complain, constructively or not. I wasn't even complaining myself, I was simply saying at this point expect 5 more delay notifications and expect the worst.
On the other hand, there's no right or wrong when it comes to complaining. Are you going to go into Hyperfuse threads and tell people missing their f8 keys for years they're not justified to complain? Right now you're thinking "okay so what, this GB is only delayed for few months" and my response would be there's no universal delay threshold where complaining becomes justified. If people want to vent, fine and sometimes it indeed gets the job done. What I can't stand are the hypocrites.
Rofl how am I being hypocritical? There's nothing hypocritical about telling complainers to stfu when no one wants to hear their *****ing. There's a large difference between pointlessly complaining about delays in a group buy seemingly thinking you'll get the product faster and telling that person to just quit *****ing and wait.
Every comment that "complains" about people pointing this out adds less and less to the conversation.
Are you a hypocrite now that you're "complaining" about me (supposedly) "complaining" about complaints? See how stupid that sounds?
There's nothing "high horseish" about not wanting to listen to people ***** pointlessly. Every post you or someone else here makes that *isn't* an update on the GB just annoys people that are waiting for actual updates.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 25 October 2019, 21:04:36
Just block that whiny dude and move on.
It's almost a week anyway :)
Post by: Digitize on Sat, 26 October 2019, 04:06:00
Guys, you can block people on Geekhack.Thank you my dear friend. I didn’t know such a function even existed.
Just block that whiny dude and move on.
It's almost a week anyway :)
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Post by: dantambok on Sat, 26 October 2019, 05:01:39
Guys, you can block people on Geekhack.
Just block that whiny dude and move on.
It's almost a week anyway :)
woah you can do that?! Not that i want to block anyone but that's something new
Post by: D4PP3R on Sat, 26 October 2019, 18:48:24
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sun, 27 October 2019, 03:49:22
Ghghop and Berzerker... my comments were more of stating the factually obvious than a complaint. But you guys just really had to quote me didn't you? Feels good being the moral authority on the subject? Your comments added nothing to the discussion thread either, let's not get on our high horses here.Your mindless complaining added less. At least my comments addressed the pointless complaining that was going on.
Just wait and you'll get your product. No need to rant about nothing in here.
Complains about complaining while being one of the few guys actually ranting here. That's exactly what I mean when I say you two are on a high horse, a complete lack of self-awareness. Half the point of GB threads is to complain, constructively or not. I wasn't even complaining myself, I was simply saying at this point expect 5 more delay notifications and expect the worst.
On the other hand, there's no right or wrong when it comes to complaining. Are you going to go into Hyperfuse threads and tell people missing their f8 keys for years they're not justified to complain? Right now you're thinking "okay so what, this GB is only delayed for few months" and my response would be there's no universal delay threshold where complaining becomes justified. If people want to vent, fine and sometimes it indeed gets the job done. What I can't stand are the hypocrites.
Rofl how am I being hypocritical? There's nothing hypocritical about telling complainers to stfu when no one wants to hear their *****ing. There's a large difference between pointlessly complaining about delays in a group buy seemingly thinking you'll get the product faster and telling that person to just quit *****ing and wait.
Every comment that "complains" about people pointing this out adds less and less to the conversation.
Are you a hypocrite now that you're "complaining" about me (supposedly) "complaining" about complaints? See how stupid that sounds?
There's nothing "high horseish" about not wanting to listen to people ***** pointlessly. Every post you or someone else here makes that *isn't* an update on the GB just annoys people that are waiting for actual updates.
Sweet lord the irony. I pointed out a fact and you started this whole rant about 'suck it up' as if I were complaining in the first place. Not too bright these kids. And in case you haven't noticed, 95% of the comments in these threads never added anything significant to the conversation in the first place including every single comment you ever made.
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 27 October 2019, 05:19:24
Post by: rjchatfield on Mon, 28 October 2019, 06:28:02
I.
Am.
So.
Excited!
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Post by: Ghghop on Mon, 28 October 2019, 06:54:18
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Mon, 28 October 2019, 07:06:20
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 28 October 2019, 07:07:22
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Post by: KawabataLuis on Mon, 28 October 2019, 09:39:37
Post by: Kuyo on Tue, 29 October 2019, 02:31:07
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 29 October 2019, 03:38:31
Are there pictures of the spacebar kit? not seeing it on the list of the new samples and was just wondering.I've got all the pics in the main post. Click on "more" under the KITS section.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 29 October 2019, 04:16:48
Post by: slxdegrees on Tue, 29 October 2019, 04:18:00
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Post by: yorktown5 on Wed, 30 October 2019, 21:01:37
Also WHITE RAMA WHEN.
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 30 October 2019, 21:20:07
Has it been shipped to kbdfans warehouse?I've asked KBDfans yesterday and they said that epbt are still packing the keycaps. Pretty disappointing that they're past another ETA but there's nothing I or even KBDfans can do about it.
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At least it sounds like manufacturing is complete.
Regarding the shiro rama cap, I'm waiting for things to settle first. I've told KBDfans that I don't want to launch or progress anything until kuro/shiro has shipped.
Post by: infinitykw on Thu, 31 October 2019, 02:03:47
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Post by: r5d on Thu, 31 October 2019, 06:21:05
Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:22:09
Finally 3000SAT can start now? My body is ready!I can resume work on it soon. When I left it, there were some alignment issues with the sideprinting because there wasn't a template and EPBT just aligned the legends however they wanted,
I'm also wanting to change the blue to something a little bit darker.
In other news, KBDfans have told me that the keycaps have started shipping to them. They have been slow to respond to messages because they are in the middle of moving their warehouse.
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:33:18
Thanks for the update.Finally 3000SAT can start now? My body is ready!I can resume work on it soon. When I left it, there were some alignment issues with the sideprinting because there wasn't a template and EPBT just aligned the legends however they wanted,
I'm also wanting to change the blue to something a little bit darker.
In other news, KBDfans have told me that the keycaps have started shipping to them. They have been slow to respond to messages because they are in the middle of moving their warehouse.
Post by: Tranq on Tue, 05 November 2019, 00:34:59
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 05 November 2019, 04:18:04
Will there be extras for the kits and rama cap?Not that I know of. There will be a different Rama cap in the future though.
Post by: Battouseye on Sat, 09 November 2019, 03:16:23
Post by: Clo_0lD on Sat, 09 November 2019, 04:02:21
Wait people got there Rama's last month? I still have yet to get mine.
I think people who just ordered the Rama were getting them early.
On another note, wanted to upgrade my shipping from the epacket to something faster so I talked with kbdfans' support through Discord and I also asked for an update on the set. They told me that shipping should start in a week so hopefully that's true.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 09 November 2019, 07:30:56
Quote
Hello
Kuro_Shiro_Base_Set 385pcs ready
Kuro_Shiro_Number_Pad 79pcs ready
The other kits are still in production, and the factory says they are expected to be finished in a week
Wow.
For my next PBT dye sub set, I am definitely switching to KAT.
Post by: Rafa_n on Sat, 09 November 2019, 07:54:09
From Discord:QuoteHello
Kuro_Shiro_Base_Set 385pcs ready
Kuro_Shiro_Number_Pad 79pcs ready
The other kits are still in production, and the factory says they are expected to be finished in a week
Wow.
**** me
so, probably another 2 weeks to finish production, +2 to ship to kbdfans, +2 more to ship to us, +some more random delays, see you in 2020
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 09 November 2019, 12:03:59
From Discord:This is the type of update I would've liked from them from the beginning. I don't know why they can't just be upfront about it instead of giving false promises.QuoteHello
Kuro_Shiro_Base_Set 385pcs ready
Kuro_Shiro_Number_Pad 79pcs ready
The other kits are still in production, and the factory says they are expected to be finished in a week
Wow.
For my next PBT dye sub set, I am definitely switching to KAT.
Post by: voight-kampff on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:25:13
Wait people got there Rama's last month? I still have yet to get mine.
I think people who just ordered the Rama were getting them early.
On another note, wanted to upgrade my shipping from the epacket to something faster so I talked with kbdfans' support through Discord and I also asked for an update on the set. They told me that shipping should start in a week so hopefully that's true.
No, I have also orderes the rama cap...
Post by: BAS1C on Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:32:36
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 09 November 2019, 18:22:39
Like I said, expect 5 more delay notifications. I didn't expect them to be such liars however. When people asked each week on discord update, they didn't say anything.
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 09 November 2019, 18:28:59
I thought complaints weren't allowed and we were supposed to shut up?I only said that you guys should stop arguing.
Like I said, expect 5 more delay notifications. I didn't expect them to be such liars however. When people asked each week on discord update, they didn't say anything.
It could be that epbt weren't telling KBDfans the whole story and it was only apparent when the shipment arrived to KBDfans' warehouse that there was so much that was missing and still hasn't been manufactured.
Post by: lzlzh035 on Sat, 09 November 2019, 19:13:43
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 09 November 2019, 21:28:42
I thought complaints weren't allowed and we were supposed to shut up?I only said that you guys should stop arguing.
Like I said, expect 5 more delay notifications. I didn't expect them to be such liars however. When people asked each week on discord update, they didn't say anything.
It could be that epbt weren't telling KBDfans the whole story and it was only apparent when the shipment arrived to KBDfans' warehouse that there was so much that was missing and still hasn't been manufactured.
I know I wasn't addressing you. KBD wasn't exactly updating us on time either so needless to say, I don't trust what either parties are saying. I expect the set to be delivered past 2020 at this point.
Post by: D4PP3R on Sun, 10 November 2019, 06:12:56
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Sun, 10 November 2019, 22:08:00
:'(
Post by: cemoon on Sun, 10 November 2019, 23:08:02
Kuro Shiro Number Pad 79pcs ready
The other kits are still in production, and the factory says they are expected to be finished in a week." said KBDfans
Post by: aleck on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:10:10
Post by: Ghghop on Mon, 11 November 2019, 09:20:40
Post by: 8six753o9 on Mon, 11 November 2019, 19:09:21
Man, I know this is normal in most GBs, but I'm tired of waiting. And to make it worse, I'll probably be in the US when the set arrives, so I will not be able to pick it up at the postal office at all, nor I would be able to tell a friend to pick it up for me. I already asked KBDfans if they could change my address but it seems they cannot. If someone knows how I can get a refund or something I would appreciate it.That’s odd because I’ve asked them to change my shipping address a few times and they’ve been able to. Just email them at support@kbdfans.cn. I think they might be able to refund you as well if you ask.
Post by: Battouseye on Mon, 11 November 2019, 23:39:56
Wait people got there Rama's last month? I still have yet to get mine.
I think people who just ordered the Rama were getting them early.
On another note, wanted to upgrade my shipping from the epacket to something faster so I talked with kbdfans' support through Discord and I also asked for an update on the set. They told me that shipping should start in a week so hopefully that's true.
Thanks <3
Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Tue, 12 November 2019, 12:05:38
Post by: aleck on Tue, 12 November 2019, 12:20:29
UPDATE KBDfans said most sets should be shipping this week!Great!
Post by: aleck on Tue, 12 November 2019, 12:24:44
I think I could try again if they do not ship my order this week.Man, I know this is normal in most GBs, but I'm tired of waiting. And to make it worse, I'll probably be in the US when the set arrives, so I will not be able to pick it up at the postal office at all, nor I would be able to tell a friend to pick it up for me. I already asked KBDfans if they could change my address but it seems they cannot. If someone knows how I can get a refund or something I would appreciate it.That’s odd because I’ve asked them to change my shipping address a few times and they’ve been able to. Just email them at support@kbdfans.cn. I think they might be able to refund you as well if you ask.
Post by: ghost990 on Tue, 12 November 2019, 12:49:24
UPDATE KBDfans said most sets should be shipping this week!
"Most" being more than likely those that ordered Base Kits and that's it according to this update specifically. Just felt the need to make sure that was clarified in this thread.
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Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Tue, 12 November 2019, 12:57:14
UPDATE KBDfans said most sets should be shipping this week!
"Most" being more than likely those that ordered Base Kits and that's it according to this update specifically. Just felt the need to make sure that was clarified in this thread.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MlYW2v4.png)
Ah yes good point, I was too lazy to post the screen shot. Though this is hopefully a good sign. In about 2-3 weeks we will find out the truth
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 12 November 2019, 13:01:28
Maybe they got more kits in alongside the base set. But anyway, the rest will come soon.
All the way from the start of the IC, I just wanted to tip in and say the wait has, gonna be soooo worth it! :p
Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Tue, 12 November 2019, 13:31:04
They say greatness comes at a price. And if that price is waiting longer.... I will just wait to be great lol
Post by: Ghghop on Tue, 12 November 2019, 16:26:19
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 13 November 2019, 00:16:28
I'm guessing people who ordered the numpad are not going to get it early?
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 13 November 2019, 00:59:29
probably gonna be a while more since i got the japanese mods and the rama artisan
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Post by: slxdegrees on Wed, 13 November 2019, 01:03:29
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Post by: MacSurfy on Wed, 13 November 2019, 02:02:12
All the other kits are expected to be finished this week tho. Or the next. So not long to go now!
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You realize we've heard this so many times the past months right? Let's just wait instead of throwing dates around.
Post by: slxdegrees on Wed, 13 November 2019, 02:10:00
Yeah, I am fully aware. But let's just keep up some pretense of optimism here shall we? There's really no point to just ****ting on whoever's trying to be optimistic here is there? Furthermore, we finally have some definite numbers this week which is more that can be said for the whole of October.All the other kits are expected to be finished this week tho. Or the next. So not long to go now!
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You realize we've heard this so many times the past months right? Let's just wait instead of throwing dates around.
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Post by: infinitykw on Wed, 13 November 2019, 03:52:29
Yeah, I am fully aware. But let's just keep up some pretense of optimism here shall we? There's really no point to just ****ting on whoever's trying to be optimistic here is there? Furthermore, we finally have some definite numbers this week which is more that can be said for the whole of October.All the other kits are expected to be finished this week tho. Or the next. So not long to go now!
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You realize we've heard this so many times the past months right? Let's just wait instead of throwing dates around.
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No it's perfect time for complaints so that we all feel each other heart to heart and the community stands together as one. Rise, the ancient GB spirit king
Post by: sakodo on Mon, 18 November 2019, 02:23:01
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Wed, 20 November 2019, 22:21:45
Post by: PikaJoyce on Wed, 20 November 2019, 22:27:53
Did anyone's order already been shipped? None of mine have been shipped yet. I wanted to know if they did indeed already start shipping or if there was another delay on their part.I got a route tracking number but no shipping number attached to it. I don't think they've started shipping them yet.
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Wed, 20 November 2019, 23:20:48
Thanks for the info.Did anyone's order already been shipped? None of mine have been shipped yet. I wanted to know if they did indeed already start shipping or if there was another delay on their part.I got a route tracking number but no shipping number attached to it. I don't think they've started shipping them yet.
I just spoke with kbdfans. Apparently they will be shipped new week.
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Post by: blizzara01 on Thu, 21 November 2019, 01:08:31
Thanks for the info.Did anyone's order already been shipped? None of mine have been shipped yet. I wanted to know if they did indeed already start shipping or if there was another delay on their part.I got a route tracking number but no shipping number attached to it. I don't think they've started shipping them yet.
I just spoke with kbdfans. Apparently they will be shipped new week.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qULB9LD.png)
Is this include other all the kits or just the base kit?
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 21 November 2019, 02:58:55
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Post by: cemoon on Thu, 21 November 2019, 09:38:16
They said the same thing 2 weeks ago.Thanks for the info.Did anyone's order already been shipped? None of mine have been shipped yet. I wanted to know if they did indeed already start shipping or if there was another delay on their part.I got a route tracking number but no shipping number attached to it. I don't think they've started shipping them yet.
I just spoke with kbdfans. Apparently they will be shipped new week.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qULB9LD.png)
Post by: D4PP3R on Thu, 21 November 2019, 09:50:12
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 21 November 2019, 10:11:49
That being said, im not in a rush and it's really beyond anyone's control to make this happen faster
Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Thu, 21 November 2019, 15:13:19
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Thu, 21 November 2019, 18:27:22
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 21 November 2019, 19:04:00
https://kbdfans.com/collections/new-arrival/products/enjoypbt-gary-japanese-keycaps-set
Post by: BAS1C on Thu, 21 November 2019, 19:10:25
Interesting that this set keeps getting delayed, but a very similar EPBT set was just released:
https://kbdfans.com/collections/new-arrival/products/enjoypbt-gary-japanese-keycaps-set
Hmm. Thanks for sharing... just bought this cause missed out on this set.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Thu, 21 November 2019, 19:27:08
Interesting that this set keeps getting delayed, but a very similar EPBT set was just released:
https://kbdfans.com/collections/new-arrival/products/enjoypbt-gary-japanese-keycaps-set
Lmao so instead of actually fulfilling a long due deadline they proceeded to make a near identical set (Gok alphas, hybrid mods) in high quantities. **** kbdfans and epbt.
Post by: yap68 on Thu, 21 November 2019, 22:09:15
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 21 November 2019, 22:55:54
If I am not wrong, this is not new according to what KBDfans has mentioned on QQ. It is the older batch (with the not dark enough Japanese legends and cream white) being rejected previously.
That makes sense to me but is still ****ty. They completed the defective sets before the actual GB. Explains why this is taking so long. At least Kuro Shiro has the option for Japanese mods.
Post by: vicissitude on Fri, 22 November 2019, 09:27:51
What now? :mad:
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:05:39
Can't believe it.How does this change anything?
What now? :mad:
Yes, we keep waiting. Yes, it sucks.
The set is being made. It's delayed, but we're not being scammed.
The older, incorrectly-done set is being sold,
But do you honestly prefer that ugly pale grey sublegends to the real thing?
If you do, I see some here looking to buy spare slots. Do that, and be done with this GB entirely.
Otherwise, we wait.
It sucks, but we're adults. We can effing handle it.
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 22 November 2019, 14:10:24
So i keep on waiting
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Fri, 22 November 2019, 20:29:24
Kinda annoying that this set even exists. However if it turns out to be the rejected batch of kuro/shiro then at least they didnt go to waste.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 25 November 2019, 11:46:33
Lie #9004
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 25 November 2019, 12:08:35
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 25 November 2019, 16:42:49
Edit: Actually, I guess the child kits are new.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 25 November 2019, 16:50:37
Honestly, I'm confused why this GB has taken so long. Isn't it basically the same thing as EPBT Black Japanese?
Edit: Actually, I guess the child kits are new.
Gok changed/added new fonts and wanted a neutral white set. It looks much better than the other pbt japanese sets. He didn't check the final color ePBT ended up using which cost us 2 months and an additional 2+ months for god knows whatever reason ePBT and kbdfans want to hide from us.
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 26 November 2019, 06:14:43
I take it no one received it already?
Post by: slxdegrees on Tue, 26 November 2019, 06:18:41
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Post by: dantambok on Tue, 26 November 2019, 09:35:50
Oh I just got a notification on taobao that my order has shipped. I believe international orders should be shipping soon.
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that's good to hear! :thumb:
Post by: yap68 on Tue, 26 November 2019, 21:01:45
Oh I just got a notification on taobao that my order has shipped. I believe international orders should be shipping soon.
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Me too.
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Tue, 26 November 2019, 21:05:15
I have to say, I'm pretty disappointed with KBDfans on this one. It's one thing to have manufacturing delays, it's another to continually give updates giving false/inaccurate information. The fact that they're now selling the reject batch on their site is just pouring salt on the wound.
Agree 100%
Pretty clear that ePBT manufacturing the grey jap set from the reject blanks pushed Kuro Shiro back.
Which is absolute bull****. You fulfil your page commitments first. Not try and recoup costs.
Then kbdfans spends time organizing it and uploading on their site in time to sell for their black Friday sale. Rather than ship KS.
Another bad part is Goks name is attached to it. And he has done nothing wrong and got screwed over just like us.
Post by: hound on Tue, 26 November 2019, 23:03:28
(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/b9ec9e2ca1419b55.jpg)
(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/4ccdd0e1564c94ba.jpg)
Post by: awestrike on Tue, 26 November 2019, 23:16:03
nice!! :DShow Image(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/b9ec9e2ca1419b55.jpg)
Is that a convex spacebar?
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 27 November 2019, 00:13:40
nice!! :DShow Image(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/b9ec9e2ca1419b55.jpg)
Is that a convex spacebar?
miggy pls
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 27 November 2019, 00:18:25
nice!! :DShow Image(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/b9ec9e2ca1419b55.jpg)
You already received it? Lucky man. I love that black space bar and may regret not getting that set.
Post by: hound on Wed, 27 November 2019, 00:25:11
(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/cbeb5acea700f64c.jpg)nice!! :DShow Image(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/b9ec9e2ca1419b55.jpg)
Is that a convex spacebar?
Post by: hound on Wed, 27 November 2019, 00:27:07
haha, You will receive it soon. :thumb:nice!! :DShow Image(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/b9ec9e2ca1419b55.jpg)
You already received it? Lucky man. I love that black space bar and may regret not getting that set.
Post by: Clo_0lD on Wed, 27 November 2019, 01:52:11
Post by: Ghghop on Wed, 27 November 2019, 14:44:53
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Wed, 27 November 2019, 17:08:04
nice!! :DShow Image(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/b9ec9e2ca1419b55.jpg)
Is that a convex spacebar?Show Image(http://i2.tiimg.com/704593/cbeb5acea700f64c.jpg)
What sets are the other space bars from? The double dyesub looks like it came out great.
Post by: leexy on Wed, 27 November 2019, 19:43:58
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 27 November 2019, 21:41:31
Quote
KBDfans |kbdfans.com Yesterday at 11:48 AMThere you go.
2019-11-27
Kuro-Shiro：We're ready to ship. Most of our orders have arrived
Post by: D4PP3R on Fri, 29 November 2019, 00:34:08
Post by: Clo_0lD on Fri, 29 November 2019, 01:22:00
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Fri, 29 November 2019, 03:39:43
my best is still on next year
Probably. I've only seen one guy post picture (from here and same thing on Discord) and no one else indicated they got a shipping notification, Taobao or not. I didn't even order a spacebar kit so I should logically expect shipping notifications within a week if KBDFANS didn't lie for the millionth time.
Post by: yap68 on Fri, 29 November 2019, 04:26:54
my best is still on next year
Probably. I've only seen one guy post picture (from here and same thing on Discord) and no one else indicated they got a shipping notification, Taobao or not. I didn't even order a spacebar kit so I should logically expect shipping notifications within a week if KBDFANS didn't lie for the millionth time.
I posted about my Taobao notification a few days ago. Will reach me next week.
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 29 November 2019, 04:39:07
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 29 November 2019, 04:48:09
(Note: I'm in Asia but not China)
Post by: xantiema on Fri, 29 November 2019, 09:33:55
Seems like there are issues with the spacebar kits now... (Attachment Link)
What do they mean by fixing it? Dont tell me they are going to try to heat it up and bend it straight :rolleyes:
Post by: D4PP3R on Sat, 30 November 2019, 02:17:16
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 01 December 2019, 01:47:17
Seems like there are issues with the spacebar kits now... (Attachment Link)
F
Post by: Digitize on Sun, 01 December 2019, 02:48:13
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Post by: KawabataLuis on Sun, 01 December 2019, 12:08:33
Post by: aleck on Sun, 01 December 2019, 17:41:29
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 01 December 2019, 18:17:09
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sun, 01 December 2019, 18:26:06
Anyone with spacebar kit, that have their order shipped?
Negative over here for base/japanese mod/spacebar
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:17:32
Gib kuro shiro.
Curse of the "soon/couple days" line. I didn't order the space bar kit either.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:29:09
I really doubt 'most sets' have arrived.
Post by: snurrebassen on Sun, 01 December 2019, 23:48:13
sorry to hear about the spacebar kit....
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Post by: D4PP3R on Mon, 02 December 2019, 01:44:40
Post by: r5d on Mon, 02 December 2019, 03:56:33
Post by: hammerbrotha on Mon, 02 December 2019, 17:02:51
https://imgur.com/a/Hbk6d6N#fMgMJZ9 (https://imgur.com/a/Hbk6d6N#fMgMJZ9)
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 02 December 2019, 17:13:16
Just got my set, pics are here, it's amazing! :)
https://imgur.com/a/Hbk6d6N#fMgMJZ9 (https://imgur.com/a/Hbk6d6N#fMgMJZ9)
1. Do you live in u.s. 2. Did you order num pad kit?
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Mon, 02 December 2019, 18:43:02
Base and Icon kits. I also ordered a Pebble. So they will be shipping if you ordered one :)
I think they upgraded me to DHL express so should be pretty quick I hope.
Post by: hammerbrotha on Tue, 03 December 2019, 02:10:55
Just got my set, pics are here, it's amazing! :)
https://imgur.com/a/Hbk6d6N#fMgMJZ9 (https://imgur.com/a/Hbk6d6N#fMgMJZ9)
1. Do you live in u.s. 2. Did you order num pad kit?
1. nope, Canada eh
2. nope, just base and jpn mods
Post by: yap68 on Tue, 03 December 2019, 02:17:31
The colours and dyesub quality are excellent though, much prefer this over the CRP Tulip that I have sold.
Post by: macclack on Tue, 03 December 2019, 07:53:17
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 03 December 2019, 08:52:50
Just received my set from Taobao. The black spacebars are indeed about 1mm shorter and also thinner than the white ones.
The colours and dyesub quality are excellent though, much prefer this over the CRP Tulip that I have sold.
Why would they make some keycaps according to spec. and others not? Arent all keycaps supposed to be 1.5mm
Post by: slxdegrees on Tue, 03 December 2019, 09:46:19
The black all-over dye sub caused the caps to shrink, which they did not expect.Just received my set from Taobao. The black spacebars are indeed about 1mm shorter and also thinner than the white ones.
The colours and dyesub quality are excellent though, much prefer this over the CRP Tulip that I have sold.
Why would they make some keycaps according to spec. and others not? Arent all keycaps supposed to be 1.5mm
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Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 03 December 2019, 09:58:56
The black all-over dye sub caused the caps to shrink, which they did not expect.Just received my set from Taobao. The black spacebars are indeed about 1mm shorter and also thinner than the white ones.
The colours and dyesub quality are excellent though, much prefer this over the CRP Tulip that I have sold.
Why would they make some keycaps according to spec. and others not? Arent all keycaps supposed to be 1.5mm
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Shouldn't they have known this like 5 months ago when they already presumably manufactured most of these? Or did they lie back then.
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 03 December 2019, 10:05:46
I get that they shrunk and now too small in spec, but why are the black ones produced more thinly compared to the white ones from the get goThe black all-over dye sub caused the caps to shrink, which they did not expect.Just received my set from Taobao. The black spacebars are indeed about 1mm shorter and also thinner than the white ones.
The colours and dyesub quality are excellent though, much prefer this over the CRP Tulip that I have sold.
Why would they make some keycaps according to spec. and others not? Arent all keycaps supposed to be 1.5mm
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Post by: yap68 on Tue, 03 December 2019, 21:09:35
Post by: yonghf on Tue, 03 December 2019, 22:31:56
Post by: tentboy on Wed, 04 December 2019, 10:23:04
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 05 December 2019, 00:12:46
Overall I’m very happy with these: The white is perfect for me, not too bright but also not too warm
Also love the alphas. It’s the same consistent black.
Not to my liking is the burr on the sides of longer keys, and the spacebars are still warped, but it’s fine for me as I already went galaxy brane and switched to split spacebars long ago.
Post by: Zoro_Senpaii on Thu, 05 December 2019, 00:23:04
Got my Base and JP mod kít.
Overall I’m very happy with these: The white is perfect for me, not too bright but also not too warm
Also love the alphas. It’s the same consistent black.
Not to my liking is the burr on the sides of longer keys, and the spacebars are still warped, but it’s fine for me as I already went galaxy brane and switched to split spacebars long ago.
WOWZERS
Thanks for the detailed photo's. It makes every second I must wait to get these, just that much better!
Cheers
Post by: Ghghop on Thu, 05 December 2019, 08:35:33
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 05 December 2019, 08:43:57
Post by: Hell-es on Thu, 05 December 2019, 12:37:10
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 05 December 2019, 20:05:01
Post by: CYFX on Thu, 05 December 2019, 21:22:41
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 05 December 2019, 21:31:51
Yeah these keycaps look great. The delay was 100% worth it.
Thanks, gok.
Post by: jimboytacos on Fri, 06 December 2019, 00:56:31
Post by: fluidin on Fri, 06 December 2019, 07:00:25
Post by: xantiema on Fri, 06 December 2019, 09:07:39
missed out on this because i started my keeb journey after this came out. R2 when? ;DHopefully never
Post by: senryo on Fri, 06 December 2019, 09:29:47
Some misalignment on certain key and rough edges on keycap.
(https://i.imgur.com/zU5args.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6QHfIfL.jpg)
Didnt have time to take the misalignment of the key, but its there.
Otherwise, its a really pretty set. Just sad that there are imperfections that I find irritating.
Post by: ghost990 on Fri, 06 December 2019, 09:34:03
got my set recently, the QC was done pretty poorly.
Some misalignment on certain key and rough edges on keycap.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zU5args.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6QHfIfL.jpg)
Didnt have time to take the misalignment of the key, but its there.
Otherwise, its a really pretty set. Just sad that there are imperfections that I find irritating.
It's a bit of a bummer to see stuff like that but while never owning a ePBT set, I think that's kind of a common thing to see unfortunately.
Wonder if it would be worth taking a high grit count sand paper to it to buff out the imperfections slightly.
Post by: Tekniqs on Fri, 06 December 2019, 13:24:09
missed out on this because i started my keeb journey after this came out. R2 when? ;DHopefully never
how come?
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:07:40
imo, ePBT in general sucks with communication, and this run was no different, filled with delays and allmissed out on this because i started my keeb journey after this came out. R2 when? ;DHopefully never
how come?
Post by: Digitize on Fri, 06 December 2019, 21:24:12
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Post by: PikaJoyce on Fri, 06 December 2019, 21:57:11
Are there other pbt manufacturers?Yep.
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Post by: KawabataLuis on Sat, 07 December 2019, 10:15:16
Post by: liv05 on Sun, 08 December 2019, 03:04:39
Just got mine. Legends are grainy and all the mods are off centered, also inconsistent font thickness. I'm not buying any epbt anymore.
Post by: senryo on Sun, 08 December 2019, 05:32:05
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sHeyCSv.jpg)
Just got mine. Legends are grainy and all the mods are off centered, also inconsistent font thickness. I'm not buying any epbt anymore.
yea, thats what I was saying, lots of misalignments.
Post by: tunadesu on Sun, 08 December 2019, 13:49:17
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sun, 08 December 2019, 18:21:33
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sHeyCSv.jpg)
Just got mine. Legends are grainy and all the mods are off centered, also inconsistent font thickness. I'm not buying any epbt anymore.
For the alpha legends too? I hope to god they don't f up my icon mod set.
Post by: liv05 on Sun, 08 December 2019, 20:55:44
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sHeyCSv.jpg)
Just got mine. Legends are grainy and all the mods are off centered, also inconsistent font thickness. I'm not buying any epbt anymore.
For the alpha legends too? I hope to god they don't f up my icon mod set.
Alphas are alright, I think it's caused by the new designs of jp mods.
Post by: eriatilox on Mon, 09 December 2019, 06:16:46
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Post by: otanishock on Mon, 09 December 2019, 16:29:47
Honestly looks alright to me. I speculate that the spacing between the characters might give off the vibe of inconsistency, where in fact they aren't. If this is the actual set that will be delivered to me, I would be happy :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sHeyCSv.jpg)
Just got mine. Legends are grainy and all the mods are off centered, also inconsistent font thickness. I'm not buying any epbt anymore.
Post by: Clo_0lD on Fri, 13 December 2019, 21:45:45
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Post by: Sshimosawa on Sat, 14 December 2019, 01:05:47
Taking a magnifying glass up to them will of course expose some inconsistencies but lets be honest nobody is typing that close to their board. for the most part the legends are the best theyve ever been. Its lastly unfair to take a budget set and scrutinize them against premium ones that cost a good deal more.
A blowdryer will fix most issues.
If you want the clarity of gmk, buy gmk.
If you dont want to use a blowdryer dont buy pbt at all.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 14 December 2019, 03:39:47
I am honestly blown away by this set and can see here others may disagree. But this is the first epbt set that actually got the legends right imho. Against previous epbt sets they have come a very very long way.
Taking a magnifying glass up to them will of course expose some inconsistencies but lets be honest nobody is typing that close to their board. for the most part the legends are the best theyve ever been. Its lastly unfair to take a budget set and scrutinize them against premium ones that cost a good deal more.
A blowdryer will fix most issues.
If you want the clarity of gmk, buy gmk.
If you dont want to use a blowdryer dont buy pbt at all.
I have yet to see the legends or side markings myself but misaligned off-center japanese mods is not just bad quality control, it shows lack of careful implementation. The photo posted here also shows pretty big difference in the font size inconsistencies. All legitimate complaints, considering the months this set was delayed by should have given them plenty of time to fix this if they cared to.
I'm hoping the icon mods will not have this problem since it essentially uses same tooling as previous ePBT sets.
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Sat, 14 December 2019, 04:16:37
I am honestly blown away by this set and can see here others may disagree. But this is the first epbt set that actually got the legends right imho. Against previous epbt sets they have come a very very long way.
Taking a magnifying glass up to them will of course expose some inconsistencies but lets be honest nobody is typing that close to their board. for the most part the legends are the best theyve ever been. Its lastly unfair to take a budget set and scrutinize them against premium ones that cost a good deal more.
A blowdryer will fix most issues.
If you want the clarity of gmk, buy gmk.
If you dont want to use a blowdryer dont buy pbt at all.
I have yet to see the legends or side markings myself but misaligned off-center japanese mods is not just bad quality control, it shows lack of careful implementation. The photo posted here also shows pretty big difference in the font size inconsistencies. All legitimate complaints, considering the months this set was delayed by should have given them plenty of time to fix this if they cared to.
I'm hoping the icon mods will not have this problem since it essentially uses same tooling as previous ePBT sets.
My point is they don't look misaligned, to me. But that's subjective.
In use, the legends look clean and well laid out. As for side-markings, my caps may certainly have scrapes along the inside or sides. I may never know since I will never look. For me, that's not a reason to conclude its a bad set. But that's subjective, too.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 14 December 2019, 04:36:19
I am honestly blown away by this set and can see here others may disagree. But this is the first epbt set that actually got the legends right imho. Against previous epbt sets they have come a very very long way.
Taking a magnifying glass up to them will of course expose some inconsistencies but lets be honest nobody is typing that close to their board. for the most part the legends are the best theyve ever been. Its lastly unfair to take a budget set and scrutinize them against premium ones that cost a good deal more.
A blowdryer will fix most issues.
If you want the clarity of gmk, buy gmk.
If you dont want to use a blowdryer dont buy pbt at all.
I have yet to see the legends or side markings myself but misaligned off-center japanese mods is not just bad quality control, it shows lack of careful implementation. The photo posted here also shows pretty big difference in the font size inconsistencies. All legitimate complaints, considering the months this set was delayed by should have given them plenty of time to fix this if they cared to.
I'm hoping the icon mods will not have this problem since it essentially uses same tooling as previous ePBT sets.
My point is they don't look misaligned, to me. But that's subjective.
In use, the legends look clean and well laid out. As for side-markings, my caps may certainly have scrapes along the inside or sides. I may never know since I will never look. For me, that's not a reason to conclude its a bad set. But that's subjective, too.
Alt? Anyways no one said it was a bad set. The color match looks good for one thing and that's very important. Misalignment isn't subjective, just look at Liv's picture (middle one in 3rd row especially) and look how off center it is. Also compare it to the renders where it's properly centered.
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Sat, 14 December 2019, 04:52:02
Post by: slxdegrees on Sat, 14 December 2019, 04:58:49
Actually I believe that key is the r3 1.75u control.I am honestly blown away by this set and can see here others may disagree. But this is the first epbt set that actually got the legends right imho. Against previous epbt sets they have come a very very long way.
Taking a magnifying glass up to them will of course expose some inconsistencies but lets be honest nobody is typing that close to their board. for the most part the legends are the best theyve ever been. Its lastly unfair to take a budget set and scrutinize them against premium ones that cost a good deal more.
A blowdryer will fix most issues.
If you want the clarity of gmk, buy gmk.
If you dont want to use a blowdryer dont buy pbt at all.
I have yet to see the legends or side markings myself but misaligned off-center japanese mods is not just bad quality control, it shows lack of careful implementation. The photo posted here also shows pretty big difference in the font size inconsistencies. All legitimate complaints, considering the months this set was delayed by should have given them plenty of time to fix this if they cared to.
I'm hoping the icon mods will not have this problem since it essentially uses same tooling as previous ePBT sets.
My point is they don't look misaligned, to me. But that's subjective.
In use, the legends look clean and well laid out. As for side-markings, my caps may certainly have scrapes along the inside or sides. I may never know since I will never look. For me, that's not a reason to conclude its a bad set. But that's subjective, too.
Alt? Anyways no one said it was a bad set. The color match looks good for one thing and that's very important. Misalignment isn't subjective, just look at Liv's picture (middle one in 3rd row especially) and look how off center it is. Also compare it to the renders where it's properly centered.
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Post by: D4PP3R on Sat, 14 December 2019, 12:05:58
Post by: liv05 on Sun, 15 December 2019, 20:12:22
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sHeyCSv.jpg)
Just got mine. Legends are grainy and all the mods are off centered, also inconsistent font thickness. I'm not buying any epbt anymore.
Bottom mid is 1.75u control for hhkb layout, alignment is fine.
The problem is that all the legends including kanji are pushed to right.
Post by: blizzara01 on Sun, 15 December 2019, 22:27:29
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Mon, 16 December 2019, 02:32:27
Will the legend fade over time?
*edit*
My bad, I guess it can fade with extreme use
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 16 December 2019, 10:10:25
Will the legend fade over time?
It's Dye Sublimation so it shouldn't. The ink soaks into the plastic and stains it, essentially. It isn't printed on the surface.
i've seen photos of faded OG dyesubs. I think you can still erase the legends with a looooooot of use :))
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 16 December 2019, 10:19:44
This is correct. Dyesub PBT can fade and can yellow.Will the legend fade over time?
It's Dye Sublimation so it shouldn't. The ink soaks into the plastic and stains it, essentially. It isn't printed on the surface.
i seen photos of faded OG dyesubs. I think you can still erase the legends with a looooooot of use :))
The fading just takes more time, abrasion, and weakening (e.g. via UV exposure).
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 16 December 2019, 10:33:22
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 18 December 2019, 02:30:45
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Post by: sakodo on Wed, 18 December 2019, 03:26:01
Slightly bummed out by the warped space bars but other than that I’m really happy!!Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191218/85cf05dd16bdab3bb05cf25cd4a84749.jpg)
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Did the RAMA cap arrive along with the whole set?
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 18 December 2019, 03:27:45
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Did the RAMA cap arrive along with the whole set?
Yes it did, in its own fancy rama bag.
However the rama cap is extremely tight, i could barely get it on the stem of the switch :/
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Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 18 December 2019, 03:39:04
QuoteDid the RAMA cap arrive along with the whole set?
Yes it did, in its own fancy rama bag.
However the rama cap is extremely tight, i could barely get it on the stem of the switch :/
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Its pretty commen with PBT spacebars that warping occurs bc of the pbt plastic. There should be plenty of guides out there to help with that problem.
Even good old Wei have a guide heh
You can also use a blow dryer or heatgun, ( just be careful to not overheat the plastics as it can cause the spacebar to warp even more )
The tolerances on the Rama caps are pretty out there. If its to tight, just use a flat head and push the walls a tiny bit.
If its to loose, use a piece of tape to sit over the stem.
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 18 December 2019, 03:51:20
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Nice, thank you!!
Its pretty commen with PBT spacebars that warping occurs bc of the pbt platic. There should be plenty of guides out there to help with that problem.
Even good old Wei have a guide heh
You can also use a blow dryer or heatgun, ( just be careful to not overheat the plastics as it can cause the spacebar to warp even more )
The tolerances on the Rama caps are pretty out there. If its to tight, just use a flat head and push the walls a tiny bit.
If its are to loose, use a piece of tape to sit over the stem.
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Post by: D4PP3R on Wed, 18 December 2019, 18:41:07
QuoteDid the RAMA cap arrive along with the whole set?
Yes it did, in its own fancy rama bag.
However the rama cap is extremely tight, i could barely get it on the stem of the switch :/
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Its pretty commen with PBT spacebars that warping occurs bc of the pbt plastic. There should be plenty of guides out there to help with that problem.
Even good old Wei have a guide heh
You can also use a blow dryer or heatgun, ( just be careful to not overheat the plastics as it can cause the spacebar to warp even more )
The tolerances on the Rama caps are pretty out there. If its to tight, just use a flat head and push the walls a tiny bit.
If its to loose, use a piece of tape to sit over the stem.
Can this be done with the black spacebar set? I'm worried about the colours bleeding or something, boiling water is no joke.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 18 December 2019, 19:13:55
QuoteDid the RAMA cap arrive along with the whole set?
Yes it did, in its own fancy rama bag.
However the rama cap is extremely tight, i could barely get it on the stem of the switch :/
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Its pretty commen with PBT spacebars that warping occurs bc of the pbt plastic. There should be plenty of guides out there to help with that problem.
Even good old Wei have a guide heh
You can also use a blow dryer or heatgun, ( just be careful to not overheat the plastics as it can cause the spacebar to warp even more )
The tolerances on the Rama caps are pretty out there. If its to tight, just use a flat head and push the walls a tiny bit.
If its to loose, use a piece of tape to sit over the stem.
Can this be done with the black spacebar set? I'm worried about the colours bleeding or something, boiling water is no joke.
If the dye sub is bleeding after being soaked in hot water, then you've got some real ****ing issues.
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 19 December 2019, 02:44:39
QuoteDid the RAMA cap arrive along with the whole set?
Yes it did, in its own fancy rama bag.
However the rama cap is extremely tight, i could barely get it on the stem of the switch :/
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Its pretty commen with PBT spacebars that warping occurs bc of the pbt plastic. There should be plenty of guides out there to help with that problem.
Even good old Wei have a guide heh
You can also use a blow dryer or heatgun, ( just be careful to not overheat the plastics as it can cause the spacebar to warp even more )
The tolerances on the Rama caps are pretty out there. If its to tight, just use a flat head and push the walls a tiny bit.
If its to loose, use a piece of tape to sit over the stem.
Can this be done with the black spacebar set? I'm worried about the colours bleeding or something, boiling water is no joke.
I would properly use the hairdryer to slowly warm it up.. ( i am not personal sure at what temperature the dye starts to die )
PBT are sensitive to hot water above 60 °C (140 °F). boiling water is typically around 100 °C or 212 °F.
So you should let the boiling water rest a bit before trying the bathtub mod ^-^
Post by: MacSurfy on Thu, 19 December 2019, 06:17:32
Kill me now.
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 19 December 2019, 06:25:32
Post by: r5d on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:17:55
Still no shipping notification (ordered spacebar kit). Anyone with spacebar kit that has theirs shipped?
Nope, nothing as of yet.
Post by: tunadesu on Thu, 19 December 2019, 10:26:18
Still no shipping notification (ordered spacebar kit). Anyone with spacebar kit that has theirs shipped?
Nope, nothing as of yet.
Confirmed, no shipping noti yet, and I did not order spacebars.
Post by: Boy_314 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 12:57:17
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 20 December 2019, 03:49:51
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Post by: persocom on Fri, 20 December 2019, 06:40:13
Just got a shipping notification this morning.
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 20 December 2019, 10:19:07
Spacebars got sent a little after, got tracking on them last week
First take. OOOOF
@Gok
Did you remove one of the Æ from the Intl. kit?
Post by: xantiema on Fri, 20 December 2019, 12:17:26
I got a hold of extras of the spacebar kit just last week, and it’s shipped out now! (EU)
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Were there extras of anything else besides space bar kits?
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Post by: Clo_0lD on Fri, 20 December 2019, 17:20:47
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 21 December 2019, 02:20:09
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 21 December 2019, 03:01:55
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 21 December 2019, 04:07:37
Just got my shipping notification. Paid for DHL, got china post tracking. See yall in February.
you can pm them on facebook or discord. they'll help you out (they sent the tracking number but it hasnt been picked up yet, you still might have time)
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 28 December 2019, 10:33:12
Post by: Hell-es on Sat, 28 December 2019, 15:38:18
Just got mine today. Pretty happy with the legends but my spacebar is super warped :))very nice - got the same yesterday ... not so easy checking if jap mods are all right in the package :cool:
Post by: wellbeing44 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 01:17:35
(https://i.imgur.com/WucnSDU.jpg)
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Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 07 January 2020, 18:10:22
Post by: kiyoboard on Tue, 07 January 2020, 18:45:02
My rama key is tight and I can't fit it onto a switch. I tried a few different types of switches. Any ideas how to make the rama cap fit?
They have a guide for that in their webpage https://rama.works/guides#/loose-tight-metal-keycap/
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 07 January 2020, 19:22:38
My rama key is tight and I can't fit it onto a switch. I tried a few different types of switches. Any ideas how to make the rama cap fit?
They have a guide for that in their webpage https://rama.works/guides#/loose-tight-metal-keycap/
Thanks!
Post by: Clo_0lD on Fri, 10 January 2020, 02:30:20
https://kbdfans.com/products/restock-kuro-shio?variant=31743494357131
Post by: Dox.h3 on Fri, 10 January 2020, 09:14:40
looking forward to this!
Post by: r5d on Sun, 12 January 2020, 07:48:24
Ship-time to Germany: 18 days
Post by: Steeeev on Sun, 12 January 2020, 08:58:29
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 12 January 2020, 09:19:23
Post by: aleck on Fri, 17 January 2020, 02:31:43
Post by: Zyrophr on Mon, 20 January 2020, 09:18:55
It's nearly been one month since my package is at the sorting center...
I ordered base kit + space bars + Japanese mods
Asked kbdfans, they just told me this was the "peak season"
it's getting long.
(https://i.imgur.com/X6zsI86.png)
Post by: KawabataLuis on Tue, 21 January 2020, 06:56:10
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 24 January 2020, 14:05:05
Post by: sntXrrr on Sat, 25 January 2020, 09:19:12
And after 7 weeks of agony there finally is a tracking update. According to 17Track and Google translate it is now, on the 25th of January, 'send to overseas import customs'.
I am down on my knees praying to the delivery gods that those beautiful keycaps will finally be delivered in a few weeks time.
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 25 January 2020, 09:21:56
Has anyone got a process for unwarping these spacebars?I just boiled some water, put it in a container, soaked the spacebar in the hot water (making sure it’s not too hot so you accidentally deform the plastic) take it out and place it on a table, and gently push it down flat and hold it until it cools, worked for me, made it a little bit better at least!
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Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 25 January 2020, 12:01:07
24th December was the last time I got an update on my package.
It's nearly been one month since my package is at the sorting center...
I ordered base kit + space bars + Japanese mods
Asked kbdfans, they just told me this was the "peak season"
it's getting long.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/X6zsI86.png)
Exactly as mine. I hope it's just because christmas and chinese new year...
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sun, 26 January 2020, 20:10:56
Has anyone got a process for unwarping these spacebars?I just boiled some water, put it in a container, soaked the spacebar in the hot water (making sure it’s not too hot so you accidentally deform the plastic) take it out and place it on a table, and gently push it down flat and hold it until it cools, worked for me, made it a little bit better at least!
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This worked somewhat, I'm wondering if someone has a surefire way to get these things dead flat, or if I should just grab a 7U CR GMK Spacebar.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Mon, 27 January 2020, 06:19:07
Finally got my set today!24th December was the last time I got an update on my package.
It's nearly been one month since my package is at the sorting center...
I ordered base kit + space bars + Japanese mods
Asked kbdfans, they just told me this was the "peak season"
it's getting long.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/X6zsI86.png)
Exactly as mine. I hope it's just because christmas and chinese new year...
Try with a hair dryer.Has anyone got a process for unwarping these spacebars?I just boiled some water, put it in a container, soaked the spacebar in the hot water (making sure it’s not too hot so you accidentally deform the plastic) take it out and place it on a table, and gently push it down flat and hold it until it cools, worked for me, made it a little bit better at least!
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This worked somewhat, I'm wondering if someone has a surefire way to get these things dead flat, or if I should just grab a 7U CR GMK Spacebar.
Post by: sakodo on Fri, 13 March 2020, 07:02:23
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 13 March 2020, 07:24:48
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Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 13 March 2020, 12:41:59
Any news on the white RAMA cap?At this point, it will probably come during R2.
Not sure when that will be because epbt have a lot of stuff coming up.
Post by: Merked on Sat, 28 March 2020, 19:15:50
Any news on the white RAMA cap?At this point, it will probably come during R2.
Not sure when that will be because epbt have a lot of stuff coming up.
Any news on R2 yet? and for R2, are you planning to keep the "warm" white color or change it so it can match E White cases better?
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 29 March 2020, 00:03:56
It might come sometime this year. Too many sets ahead of it to provide a estimate date.Any news on the white RAMA cap?At this point, it will probably come during R2.
Not sure when that will be because epbt have a lot of stuff coming up.
Any news on R2 yet? and for R2, are you planning to keep the "warm" white color or change it so it can match E White cases better?
I'd have to think about your second question. Maybe, maybe not.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 30 March 2020, 00:14:05
Post by: cmanon on Mon, 30 March 2020, 13:19:07
Post by: timescam on Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:35:13
https://kbdfans.com/collections/cherry-profile/products/kuro-shiro-r2
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 17 April 2020, 04:50:05
gok you sneaky boi :eek:Like Epbt Black on White, I don't know when things are going to be released. I thought this was going to be a bit further away and that 3000SAT would be before it.
https://kbdfans.com/collections/cherry-profile/products/kuro-shiro-r2
Post by: sakodo on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:18:30
Keep up the great work gok!
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:23:57
Will we get another chance at getting the *Black* RAMA artisan? White RAMA doesn’t really make sense as an accent color in a set that is all already white.
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Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:37:31
Will R2 use exactly the same colors as R1?It won't be PVD but there will be a black anodised version of the design that was run in R1 as well as the white cap that was teased during R1 but was never released.
Will we get another chance at getting the *Black* RAMA artisan? White RAMA doesn’t really make sense as an accent color in a set that is all already white.
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Post by: Hell-es on Sat, 18 April 2020, 08:51:08
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 18 April 2020, 19:47:29
I also am wondering about the 'wait list' that kbdfans uses, does that mean they get priority in buying? Because it's a group buy I don't see the point.
Post by: rozc on Wed, 22 April 2020, 10:50:26
Post by: cmanon on Wed, 22 April 2020, 16:04:39
Post by: rozc on Thu, 23 April 2020, 12:03:41
It seems like the black enter and black arrows are gone, at least on the kit images that appear on KBDFans.damn，it's not a good news for me
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Post by: enrique.aliaga on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:16:11
I guess I’ll pass on this to run, then.
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Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 25 April 2020, 10:07:50
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Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 25 April 2020, 13:59:18
Post by: heartbreak on Sat, 25 April 2020, 14:00:08
To get it that dark in r1, the keys needed to be dyesubbed twice but this made them warp and shrink more than they usually would so epbt don't want to make them anymore.I see
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Post by: macclack on Sat, 25 April 2020, 23:22:51
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 26 April 2020, 01:08:17
Hi gok, would you consider doing a black Rama enter key in addition to escape? That would allow people who want a black enter key to match the set.I would have looked into doing this for 3000SAT but that could be a good idea for this set as well.
The design for this would need to work with both mod sets. Maybe just the enter arrow but I'm not sure yet.
Post by: Solotov on Mon, 27 April 2020, 00:14:19
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Post by: cmanon on Mon, 27 April 2020, 12:02:07
Post by: mg53 on Tue, 28 April 2020, 14:16:05
Post by: Ajtruong on Tue, 28 April 2020, 23:34:14
Post by: jayiskuhl on Fri, 01 May 2020, 17:09:52
Would also be interested if the RAMA enter comes to be. Are the other RAMA keys making a return for R2?
The R1 Ramas are coming back, see the KBDfans response in the comments here https://kbdfans.com/collections/coming-soon/products/kuro-shiro-r2 (https://kbdfans.com/collections/coming-soon/products/kuro-shiro-r2)
Post by: rozc on Sat, 02 May 2020, 13:34:45
Post by: Radium on Tue, 05 May 2020, 10:28:17
Post by: isamaxi123 on Tue, 05 May 2020, 18:01:14
..and Is there a spacebar kit on the R2 as the previous round? - I can't see it on the KBDFans page.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Tue, 05 May 2020, 20:00:13
Hello I'm kinda new in this hobby - does someone know the difference between this (EPT I think) and GMK ?EPBT (short for EnjoyPBT) is a Chinese manufacturer of keycaps made out of PBT. Quality is good.
..and Is there a spacebar kit on the R2 as the previous round? - I can't see it on the KBDFans page.
GMK is a German manufacturer of keycaps made out of ABS. Quality is great (usually).
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Post by: ComfortablyJuice on Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:30:08
Post by: leexy on Sun, 10 May 2020, 12:19:54
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 10 May 2020, 14:38:17
where is my rama black enter!They added the black keys back in which makes Rama enters less necessary.
The moq for the Rama caps are higher than they were back in r1 so I thought that splitting moqs for another key wasn't the best move.
Sorry to disappoint.
Post by: Lufenia on Mon, 11 May 2020, 08:19:21
Post by: mg53 on Mon, 11 May 2020, 12:32:02
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Mon, 11 May 2020, 13:06:07
So Rama caps are no longer brass like R1?No, they are Aluminum now. And considerably cheaper.
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Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 12 May 2020, 02:19:04
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 12 May 2020, 02:26:36
Were there any adjustments to japanese mods like alignment and font inconsistencies?Would you be able to highlight the ones you are talking about?
The control key legend is too big to fit on some of the keys and in the case of 1u, needs to be split into two rows.
Post by: Hell-es on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:08:58
How risky is it to just order num and int. Kit regarding colormatching to r1?
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:21:07
Post by: okidna on Tue, 12 May 2020, 16:32:00
F and J are scooped?
It's EPBT, homing keys will be scooped and barred at the same time.
Post by: gok_nz on Tue, 12 May 2020, 23:50:15
Actually, Epbt are getting new molds for some keys and scooped only may be a possibility. I'll check with KBDfans on the timing.F and J are scooped?
It's EPBT, homing keys will be scooped and barred at the same time.
Post by: okidna on Wed, 13 May 2020, 01:56:31
Actually, Epbt are getting new molds for some keys and scooped only may be a possibility. I'll check with KBDfans on the timing.F and J are scooped?
It's EPBT, homing keys will be scooped and barred at the same time.
Actually, I got their new ABS doubleshot keycaps and I can confirm that the F & J homing keys are scooped only, but the Num 5 is neither scooped or barred.
But I don't know if they're making their own ABS keycaps or sourced it somewhere else.
Post by: Pomato on Wed, 13 May 2020, 02:47:38
Still bought R2 anyway hoping it doesn't have this issue anymore. If it still does I'll just buy R3 aswell!
Post by: jouz on Wed, 13 May 2020, 04:19:47
Is it the same as 2/2.25/2.75u keys, of ~23.8mm?
Or does it follow the "standard" of larger spacebars, i.e. (3u-1u) * 19.05mm = 38.1mm?
(Also, if it's the smaller stabilizers, what's it like? does it wobble/bind, or does it work well enough?)
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 13 May 2020, 04:41:56
Hi, I'm looking for information on the enjoypbt 3u convex keycaps. Could someone tell me what the stabilizer stem distance is on these?It uses 3u stabilisers which Cherry makes. They are really stable.
Is it the same as 2/2.25/2.75u keys, of ~23.8mm?
Or does it follow the "standard" of larger spacebars, i.e. (3u-1u) * 19.05mm = 38.1mm?
(Also, if it's the smaller stabilizers, what's it like? does it wobble/bind, or does it work well enough?)
Post by: rozc on Wed, 13 May 2020, 04:43:04
Hi, I'm looking for information on the enjoypbt 3u convex keycaps. Could someone tell me what the stabilizer stem distance is on these?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200513/64102bccfcd0c39766c6e7ce52a40298.jpg)
Is it the same as 2/2.25/2.75u keys, of ~23.8mm?
Or does it follow the "standard" of larger spacebars, i.e. (3u-1u) * 19.05mm = 38.1mm?
(Also, if it's the smaller stabilizers, what's it like? does it wobble/bind, or does it work well enough?)
not the smaller type
Post by: jouz on Wed, 13 May 2020, 04:57:48
It uses 3u stabilisers which Cherry makes. They are really stable.
not the smaller type
Thank you guys for the quick responses!
Post by: Missingnumber on Thu, 14 May 2020, 11:24:06
I've never had a keyboard that actually has 変換 keys, but I've been wanting to try to build one for a while now. I thought this would be the set for it since it has 3u spacebars, but an extra $50 just for two keys... And the fact that there's no ー key and the ろ key is in the wrong place, I wouldn't really be able to make a JIS board with it, but those are secondary to me because I use the Roman input method to type.
Post by: danox574 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 12:05:30
I'm sure this is nitpicky to anyone that doesn't type in Japanese, but with the round 2 modifier sets it is pretty annoying that the Alt and 変換 and 無変換 keys are all the same. I would have to buy both the JP mod kit and the icon mod kit to get separate Alt and 変換 keys.
I've never had a keyboard that actually has 変換 keys, but I've been wanting to try to build one for a while now. I thought this would be the set for it since it has 3u spacebars, but an extra $50 just for two keys... And the fact that there's no ー key and the ろ key is in the wrong place, I wouldn't really be able to make a JIS board with it, but those are secondary to me because I use the Roman input method to type.
Short version - it actually isn't a JIS keyset, it's a ANSI/ISO keyset with almost all default mappings for 101/102 keyboards for IME printed on keys, so if you really try to build a JIS board you are hacking the design a bit.
Long version - I'm going to use Henkan and Muhenkan as the Alt keys as intended by design, and Fn-Alt can be the actual Henkan/Muhenkan functionality. Right now, spacebar activating your conversion popup is widely used and duplicates the functionality of Henkan (and is still a thumb key), and Muhenkan is pretty easily achieved with enter instead of converting (although no hirgana/katakana/half/full quick toggle there). So the actual dedicated keys are kind of a novelty, and putting them on FN I can live with. Thinking the same way you were, compared the 101/102 vs 106/108 keyboard settings with both types of boards connected, and explored each keypress and IME conversion functionality to see what might work and come to the above short version conclusion. One noteable in that area is Yen symbol on shift "\ | mu Yen" is not a default mapping in Windows 10 (and I'm not sure personally of an OS where it is), but I hope to work that out with QMK (and can be done in registry mappings if necessary), but QMK would make the board portable if I can do it there rather than changing multiple machine settings for me.
If you want to build an actual JIS board from it, you have larger problems than Henkan and Muhenkan, because the ke key, mu key, and likely others don't actually have a symbol match for the proper JIS keys. JIS has a ke, askterisk, colon key for example, and this kit doesn't have it since that isn't where they appear on other 101/102 key keyboards.
Post by: Missingnumber on Thu, 14 May 2020, 12:46:42
Short version - it actually isn't a JIS keyset, it's a ANSI/ISO keyset with almost all default mappings for 101/102 keyboards for IME printed on keys, so if you really try to build a JIS board you are hacking the design a bit.
My main complaint is that even though this set has tons of international compatibility, it doesn't have JIS compatibility. It's based around the Japanese language otherwise.
Long version - I'm going to use Henkan and Muhenkan as the Alt keys as intended by design, and Fn-Alt can be the actual Henkan/Muhenkan functionality. Right now, spacebar activating your conversion popup is widely used and duplicates the functionality of Henkan (and is still a thumb key), and Muhenkan is pretty easily achieved with enter instead of converting (although no hirgana/katakana/half/full quick toggle there). So the actual dedicated keys are kind of a novelty, and putting them on FN I can live with. Thinking the same way you were, compared the 101/102 vs 106/108 keyboard settings with both types of boards connected, and explored each keypress and IME conversion functionality to see what might work and come to the above short version conclusion.
I certainly know how to type in Japanese, having lived and gone to school in Japan for years. The issue is that the normal ANSI method of typing in Japanese requires you to move your right hand from the home row constantly to hit Enter, and my pinky gets sore from it after a while. Doing FN-無変換 doesn't work either because that button press should be as fast as hitting the space bar in a normal typing context. Having to hold a FN key every time you hit the space bar would be annoying. (But now that I think about it, maybe shift-space would work well for 無変換.)
I don't really care much about any of the other JIS functionality, since I just type with romaji input normally. But I want to try a build where the standard 6u space bar is replaced with 1.5u 変換 - 3u space bar - 1.5u 無変換 and all the other keys the same as ANSI. Except a ひらがな key would be nice to not have to use Alt-~. I've got my right Ctrl key mapped to Alt-~ right now.
But thinking about it, using a non-convex cherry profile key with your thumb constantly would probably start to hurt after a while too. It might be better if I just stuck with split space bars.
One noteable in that area is Yen symbol on shift "\ | mu Yen" is not a default mapping in Windows 10 (and I'm not sure personally of an OS where it is), but I hope to work that out with QMK (and can be done in registry mappings if necessary), but QMK would make the board portable if I can do it there rather than changing multiple machine settings for me.
Do you mean the む part? I'm afraid I've never used straight kana input methods, so I'm not as familiar with that. I can see from pictures of JIS boards that there is another key beside the enter that normally has the む.
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:04:31
I won't be changing the kits because the idea was to have equal number of keys between the mod sets which you'd choose based on your preference.Short version - it actually isn't a JIS keyset, it's a ANSI/ISO keyset with almost all default mappings for 101/102 keyboards for IME printed on keys, so if you really try to build a JIS board you are hacking the design a bit.
My main complaint is that even though this set has tons of international compatibility, it doesn't have JIS compatibility. It's based around the Japanese language otherwise.Long version - I'm going to use Henkan and Muhenkan as the Alt keys as intended by design, and Fn-Alt can be the actual Henkan/Muhenkan functionality. Right now, spacebar activating your conversion popup is widely used and duplicates the functionality of Henkan (and is still a thumb key), and Muhenkan is pretty easily achieved with enter instead of converting (although no hirgana/katakana/half/full quick toggle there). So the actual dedicated keys are kind of a novelty, and putting them on FN I can live with. Thinking the same way you were, compared the 101/102 vs 106/108 keyboard settings with both types of boards connected, and explored each keypress and IME conversion functionality to see what might work and come to the above short version conclusion.
I certainly know how to type in Japanese, having lived and gone to school in Japan for years. The issue is that the normal ANSI method of typing in Japanese requires you to move your right hand from the home row constantly to hit Enter, and my pinky gets sore from it after a while. Doing FN-無変換 doesn't work either because that button press should be as fast as hitting the space bar in a normal typing context. Having to hold a FN key every time you hit the space bar would be annoying. (But now that I think about it, maybe shift-space would work well for 無変換.)
I don't really care much about any of the other JIS functionality, since I just type with romaji input normally. But I want to try a build where the standard 6u space bar is replaced with 1.5u 変換 - 3u space bar - 1.5u 無変換 and all the other keys the same as ANSI. Except a ひらがな key would be nice to not have to use Alt-~. I've got my right Ctrl key mapped to Alt-~ right now.
But thinking about it, using a non-convex cherry profile key with your thumb constantly would probably start to hurt after a while too. It might be better if I just stuck with split space bars.One noteable in that area is Yen symbol on shift "\ | mu Yen" is not a default mapping in Windows 10 (and I'm not sure personally of an OS where it is), but I hope to work that out with QMK (and can be done in registry mappings if necessary), but QMK would make the board portable if I can do it there rather than changing multiple machine settings for me.
Do you mean the む part? I'm afraid I've never used straight kana input methods, so I'm not as familiar with that. I can see from pictures of JIS boards that there is another key beside the enter that normally has the む.
KBDfans have sold grab bags so I'm sure you'd be able to get some of th extra keys you are after off somebody. I saw an unboxing by Epsilonkeyboards last night on Twitch who had some but there should also be somebody more local to you swith them as well.
Post by: danox574 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 15:42:37
Do you mean the む part? I'm afraid I've never used straight kana input methods, so I'm not as familiar with that. I can see from pictures of JIS boards that there is another key beside the enter that normally has the む.
What I mean is, on the \ | key (wherever you put it), the Japanese mapping shows む and ¥ on the actual key. The Japanese conversion map under IME is in fact む for a \ | keypress from a 101/102 key keyboard, but Shift with this key in Japanese IME does not produce the Yen symbol (under windows 10 it produces nothing). The GMK comparative set doesn't show the yen symbol on that key (look at Frost Witch or something for comparison). I was only saying I have no idea what OS or input system maps shift-\ | む to Yen, so I don't know what the design decision was for the key mold having ¥ but was curious if anyone else knew.
This is regardless of position on the physical layout, moving it from above enter to next to a ISO enter key doesn't change the behavior.
I won't be changing the kits because the idea was to have equal number of keys between the mod sets which you'd choose based on your preference.
KBDfans have sold grab bags so I'm sure you'd be able to get some of th extra keys you are after off somebody. I saw an unboxing by Epsilonkeyboards last night on Twitch who had some but there should also be somebody more local to you swith them as well.
Gosh, no, I wouldn't expect you to, it's such a cool set, sorry if you thought that was what I was saying. I just had spent a lot of time thinking through the feasibility of a JIS configuration with the keycap set and decided it wasn't really going to work, but the above poster's Henkan issue could also probably be corrected with a split spacebar keyboard and enter on the thumb like they said. Lots of ways to do it, I was just sharing the results of all the thinking/testing I had done.
Post by: rockydbull on Mon, 18 May 2020, 07:58:08
Do you mean the む part? I'm afraid I've never used straight kana input methods, so I'm not as familiar with that. I can see from pictures of JIS boards that there is another key beside the enter that normally has the む.
What I mean is, on the \ | key (wherever you put it), the Japanese mapping shows む and ¥ on the actual key. The Japanese conversion map under IME is in fact む for a \ | keypress from a 101/102 key keyboard, but Shift with this key in Japanese IME does not produce the Yen symbol (under windows 10 it produces nothing). The GMK comparative set doesn't show the yen symbol on that key (look at Frost Witch or something for comparison). I was only saying I have no idea what OS or input system maps shift-\ | む to Yen, so I don't know what the design decision was for the key mold having ¥ but was curious if anyone else knew.
This is regardless of position on the physical layout, moving it from above enter to next to a ISO enter key doesn't change the behavior.
I won't be changing the kits because the idea was to have equal number of keys between the mod sets which you'd choose based on your preference.
KBDfans have sold grab bags so I'm sure you'd be able to get some of th extra keys you are after off somebody. I saw an unboxing by Epsilonkeyboards last night on Twitch who had some but there should also be somebody more local to you swith them as well.
Gosh, no, I wouldn't expect you to, it's such a cool set, sorry if you thought that was what I was saying. I just had spent a lot of time thinking through the feasibility of a JIS configuration with the keycap set and decided it wasn't really going to work, but the above poster's Henkan issue could also probably be corrected with a split spacebar keyboard and enter on the thumb like they said. Lots of ways to do it, I was just sharing the results of all the thinking/testing I had done.
Isn't want to throw you off of this set, but ModernJa Might work? I know there is a jis kit.
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Post by: pfcmickey on Wed, 24 June 2020, 10:26:40
And if an r3 is being considered I'll be first to join
Post by: kidpid on Wed, 24 June 2020, 13:10:03
So I just got into the hobby and missed the GB but this set is perfect for my dream keeb, anyone know how I can get in line for an extra or a cancelled order?
And if an r3 is being considered I'll be first to join
Extras typically can't be reserved. You need to wait until the GB ships and pay attention to KBDfans various channels to know when extras go live.
Post by: pfcmickey on Wed, 24 June 2020, 14:04:56
So I just got into the hobby and missed the GB but this set is perfect for my dream keeb, anyone know how I can get in line for an extra or a cancelled order?
And if an r3 is being considered I'll be first to join
Extras typically can't be reserved. You need to wait until the GB ships and pay attention to KBDfans various channels to know when extras go live.
I will keep an eye out for them, thanks
Post by: alwaysbless on Sun, 02 August 2020, 11:00:11
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 02 August 2020, 14:24:04
Is it confirmed kbdfans will have extrasYou will need to ask KBDfans in their discord or through their support email.
I don't really get fed information from them.
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 04 August 2020, 04:19:19
Post by: Lenux on Mon, 28 September 2020, 12:26:56
Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 28 September 2020, 13:39:05
Any plans to make a R3 ?Yes, but it will probably be next year.
Post by: pandaman97 on Tue, 17 November 2020, 09:08:32
Any plans to make a R3 ?Yes, but it will probably be next year.
Very nice to hear :thumb: I hope you can make 2u Spacebar in next round ;D
Post by: 8Z on Mon, 29 March 2021, 10:27:23
R3 soon? 👀Any plans to make a R3 ?Yes, but it will probably be next year.
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 30 June 2021, 09:14:47
R3 soon? 👀Any plans to make a R3 ?Yes, but it will probably be next year.
R3 will launch tomorrow, but kitting miss a black ISO enter.