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is it possible for a minimum post count for IC threads be implementedAlbeit that I agree with you on the post count for ICs, this is way better than any of the half-assed ICs that we have been seeing pop up here in the past few months.
is it possible for a minimum post count for IC threads be implemented
Where was this designed??Where in the valley?
is it possible for a minimum post count for IC threads be implemented
I love the design. I would also love to see ESD protection added to the PCB.
Where was this designed??
Where was this designed??
new member, unlimited group buy, no physical prototype, on the fence about using vendors, I can't tell if this is a poorly structured cash grab siphoning hype from a certain 75% or if OP truly believes this is a good idea. either way, I agree with the aforementioned requirement of post count prior to posting IC's. I feel you may have taken notes from the wrong interest checks without thinking of how poorly they went. I really hope you don't see this comment as a hate comment and you genuinely consider the feedback here. good luck OP.The sentiment regarding a new account is warranted considering the board is expensive and a risky proposition considering the fact that we stated we may go without vendors. Additionally, the denial of a render service predicated upon the RAMA sentiment (as mentioned in the FAQ) concerned us since we had already invested time and money into the project. In order to recoup our expenditures and make the project worthwhile, we felt that putting out the IC at the same time as we ordered the first prototype was the safest play for us both monetarily and reputation-wise; we didn't want to create a keyboard that vendors would not carry and people would not buy. That being said, we already have the means to create an online storefront and are working with members in the keyboard community to make this groupbuy possibe. Our primary gripe with going through a vendor was the issue of additional cost for low order quantities and the inability to fulfill a low MOQ; however, it has since become clear that a vendor may be necessary as the response has also been overwhelming. We are currently reaching out to vendors as per multiple suggestions to increase the trust of the keyboard community in this endeavor (in progress as of tonight); while this is not a guarantee that we will use a vendor, we hope that the community sees it as a step to towards a legitimate groupbuy. As for the issues with a new geekhack account, we believe that the reddit account provides authenticity (if you hop over to mechmarket, you can see an account with more karma and history); there is nothing we can do about having a new geekhack account other than wait and comment on random posts and as mentioned previously, the timing was critical to make sure we weren't creating a keyboard that ran into a dead end. In short, we're looking into contacting vendors tonight as per the constructive criticism.
The bottom weight looks incongruous with the exploded view render.
Whats the height of the boards front?The board is 37mm in the back and the front is 18mm
I would make the rotary encoder knob shorter, closer to the height of the keycaps. I think it sticks out too much at the moment.We made the decision to have a taller knob because it is more easily accessible when reaching over the keycaps (Right now it's roughly 1.5x the SA func row height). Feel free to leave feedback in the IC, the knob is definitely open to change if we get enough feedback.
Any chance that the design might change to have the arrow cluster separated?
Where was this designed??
Where was this designed??
Australia at RamaWorks ;)
But seriously, the inspiration is powerful, but at least the author is honest about this.
----- r00dy -----
What if RAMA wants to release his 75% layout? It will look exactly like this project (maybe except the hideous rotary encoder). He spends years shaping his design language to make sure his boards are recognizable, just like Norbauer, keycult, and any well-established brand.
Stealing is wrong, in any form. We did see that in recent times where intellectual property was disturbed.
This is BAD and wrong.
Good luck with your "design" journey.
Peace.
were transparent about the inspiration
Where was this designed??
Australia at RamaWorks ;)
But seriously, the inspiration is powerful, but at least the author is honest about this.
----- r00dy -----
What if RAMA wants to release his 75% layout? It will look exactly like this project (maybe except the hideous rotary encoder). He spends years shaping his design language to make sure his boards are recognizable, just like Norbauer, keycult, and any well-established brand.
Stealing is wrong, in any form. We did see that in recent times where intellectual property was disturbed.
This is BAD and wrong.
Good luck with your "design" journey.
Peace.
My good sir, if you think that similarity = stealing, then you need to revolt against every single other board that ever gets IC'd on geekhack. Just because the board is similar to a rama board doesn't mean rama can't release his own board.
Here's a tentative render of the bottom from fusion; we'll get a better look with renders tomorrow.
(Attachment Link)I would make the rotary encoder knob shorter, closer to the height of the keycaps. I think it sticks out too much at the moment.We made the decision to have a taller knob because it is more easily accessible when reaching over the keycaps (Right now it's roughly 1.5x the SA func row height). Feel free to leave feedback in the IC, the knob is definitely open to change if we get enough feedback.
I would make the rotary encoder knob shorter, closer to the height of the keycaps. I think it sticks out too much at the moment.We made the decision to have a taller knob because it is more easily accessible when reaching over the keycaps (Right now it's roughly 1.5x the SA func row height). Feel free to leave feedback in the IC, the knob is definitely open to change if we get enough feedback.
albeit it would definitely dissappoint a lot of members in the community
albeit it would definitely dissappoint a lot of members in the community
More disappointing than not getting to pay for a keyboard because of availability is not getting the keyboard for which you have paid because the GB runners underestimated the effort for logistics and QA.
Getting masive Koyu vibes. This needs a split between the arrow keys and modifiers
Very nice looking case. I think a wider bottom weight would like nicer and better proportioned.
Looks really interesting, filled in the IC form. One thing I would also like to say is that the knob looks a bit too tall, but aside from that it looks really clean!
A bit too similar to the Koyu imo. I understand that the guts are different, but the outside looks like a 75% koyu with a knob. That's past inspiration at this point. There needs to be more to claim it was "inspired by" and not "copied". Something as simple as a chamfered edge would make a world of difference. New designers stand on the shoulder on giants, so it is fine and understandable to want to use those who came before us as inspiration, but if you're not adding on to that design, you're not standing on their shoulders, you're leaning on them. Look at the Alice for instance: Many boards have copied the layout, but some of them are outright clones, while others have provided very nice additions and made amazing cases that really set them apart from the original design.
Also, a blocker between the ctrl and arrow key cluster would make this a prettier and easier to use board (for me). Even better if the navkeys also end up separated, but that's not as important to me.
The single most important thing though is definitely that you guys partner with a reputable vendor.
There is potential here, but it needs more time on the drawing board. This is your first board, and there is a big risk that you will get the copycat label assigned to you by the community if you go through with this.
Don't let these comments tear you down, and don't abandon the project! I'm just giving you guys my honest feedback and I hope my criticism is constructive and helpful, I wouldn't bother commenting if I didn't think this could become something nice.
Edit: spelling
How about a curved cutout on the back, the reveal the base? If base has a different colour it would be a nice accent. Knob and base could be colour matched, would like nice IMO.
Where was this designed??
Australia at RamaWorks ;)
But seriously, the inspiration is powerful, but at least the author is honest about this.
----- r00dy -----
What if RAMA wants to release his 75% layout? It will look exactly like this project (maybe except the hideous rotary encoder). He spends years shaping his design language to make sure his boards are recognizable, just like Norbauer, keycult, and any well-established brand.
Stealing is wrong, in any form. We did see that in recent times where intellectual property was disturbed.
This is BAD and wrong.
Good luck with your "design" journey.
Peace.
My good sir, if you think that similarity = stealing, then you need to revolt against every single other board that ever gets IC'd on geekhack. Just because the board is similar to a rama board doesn't mean rama can't release his own board.
A bit too similar to the Koyu imo. I understand that the guts are different, but the outside looks like a 75% koyu with a knob. That's past inspiration at this point. There needs to be more to claim it was "inspired by" and not "copied". Something as simple as a chamfered edge would make a world of difference. New designers stand on the shoulder on giants, so it is fine and understandable to want to use those who came before us as inspiration, but if you're not adding on to that design, you're not standing on their shoulders, you're leaning on them. Look at the Alice for instance: Many boards have copied the layout, but some of them are outright clones, while others have provided very nice additions and made amazing cases that really set them apart from the original design.
Also, a blocker between the ctrl and arrow key cluster would make this a prettier and easier to use board (for me). Even better if the navkeys also end up separated, but that's not as important to me.
The single most important thing though is definitely that you guys partner with a reputable vendor.
There is potential here, but it needs more time on the drawing board. This is your first board, and there is a big risk that you will get the copycat label assigned to you by the community if you go through with this.
Don't let these comments tear you down, and don't abandon the project! I'm just giving you guys my honest feedback and I hope my criticism is constructive and helpful, I wouldn't bother commenting if I didn't think this could become something nice.
Edit: spelling
Board looks great, only alteration I'd make would be to shorten the knob. Would it be possible to have different knob heights as options?
First 75% in a long time I am interested in, I think it is well put together
First 75% in a long time I am interested in, I think it is well put together
Interested. However, i couldn't find a target price? And when is the target date for GB?
Interested. However, i couldn't find a target price? And when is the target date for GB?
We mentioned $400-700 in the IC post but we've revamped some of the internals to cut costs and we're talking to manufacturers at the moment (hopefully we can drop the price to the $400-500 range). We're hoping to get this to groupbuy in early 2021 (Q1).
I love the look: 75% form factor + rotary dial feature inclusion is right up my alleyway.
However there are two criticisms that others have mentioned that I'll echo:
I like knobs a lot (like way too much), but your current render is rather unappealing, and it literally sticks out like a sore thumb. It's kind of confronting. I might suggest looking at other boards iterations of knobs for a sense of how to get one that still harmoniously resides on the board.
The weight on the back is also rather basic too, but that's personal preference on aesthetics.
Definitely interested. Great design. Although I do prefer a blocker next to the arrows.
Any estimate on timing? Also, are you considering Via?
like this alot, i love rama and I didnt think of it at all. There is only so many ways to make a clean lined board and this is a good way. i filled in IC form hoping for a variation of purple, and Fr4 plate availability
✋ raising my hand for via support. I like the software.Definitely interested. Great design. Although I do prefer a blocker next to the arrows.
Any estimate on timing? Also, are you considering Via?
Thanks for the interest, we're still talking to vendors and manufacturers at the moment but we're aiming for Q1 of 2021. We hadn't considered Via since we were offering qmk compatibility and it hasn't really been requested much. We've finalized the layout and although the request for blockers is reasonable, we feel as though the uniform bezel aesthetic will be compromised by the introduction of blockers; we also wanted to reduce the number of SKUs to keep the price lower.
✋ raising my hand for via support. I like the software.Definitely interested. Great design. Although I do prefer a blocker next to the arrows.
Any estimate on timing? Also, are you considering Via?
Thanks for the interest, we're still talking to vendors and manufacturers at the moment but we're aiming for Q1 of 2021. We hadn't considered Via since we were offering qmk compatibility and it hasn't really been requested much. We've finalized the layout and although the request for blockers is reasonable, we feel as though the uniform bezel aesthetic will be compromised by the introduction of blockers; we also wanted to reduce the number of SKUs to keep the price lower.
I think people haven't explicitly asked for VIA because it's basically assumed new keyboards running QMK will also be made VIA compatible out of the box.
We reached out to RAMA Works regarding the concerns of the community; they had no issues with our board's design and wished us well for our group buy so the board will run with the current design aesthetic.
Drama in GH is getting kinda out of hands these days lol
Anyways, great looking board man. Had responded originally over at Reddit. I was on the 'separate the arrows' bandwagon but now I'm not so sure. VIA support on this is almost a must at this point though haha
Best of luck with the run, I'll probably be joining this one!
looks nice, not a big fan of how the weight is currently. i think it would look cooler if it was just engraved into the base ?
+1 for reaching out to Rama, very classy
+1 sticking to vision of no blockers and no clusters
+1 for offering ANSI hotswap option for those who don't like soldering/desoldering
+1 new renders with shorter knob. If you do any future renders, I'd suggest one with higher profile keycaps like SA/KAT too.
I also raise my hand for VIA support. I'm too lazy and not interested in fiddling with QMK
Navy being third option is kinda boring, but super predictable, and you'd be amiss to not include it as the 3rd option after black and white
Is brass plate a compulsory option? I get that it's perceived as premium, but it's not my preferred plate type generally.
I do want to express my opinions for changes:^good points.
- I find Angle of 7 degrees a bit high - 6 feels perfect, but I understand this is a matter of preference and going with most popular value feels right
- Plate choice would be ideal without having to purchase extra - I personally prefer CF plate
- Option to purchase/skip brass weight would be nice for those of us who don't care for brass and/or want to lower cost
- Please add ESD to PCB and consider sufficient physical separation between USB-C port and case to reduce likelihood of ESD reaching the PCB
This is beautiful. I'll be buying for sure.
very interested and most likely in for the GB
+1 for deep navy
+1 for ansi hotswap addition
+1 for sticking with original design
I do want to express my opinions for changes:
- I find Angle of 7 degrees a bit high - 6 feels perfect, but I understand this is a matter of preference and going with most popular value feels right
- Plate choice would be ideal without having to purchase extra - I personally prefer CF plate
- Option to purchase/skip brass weight would be nice for those of us who don't care for brass and/or want to lower cost
- Please add ESD to PCB and consider sufficient physical separation between USB-C port and case to reduce likelihood of ESD reaching the PCB
I do want to express my opinions for changes:^good points.
- I find Angle of 7 degrees a bit high - 6 feels perfect, but I understand this is a matter of preference and going with most popular value feels right
- Plate choice would be ideal without having to purchase extra - I personally prefer CF plate
- Option to purchase/skip brass weight would be nice for those of us who don't care for brass and/or want to lower cost
- Please add ESD to PCB and consider sufficient physical separation between USB-C port and case to reduce likelihood of ESD reaching the PCB
I'm interested in how much cheaper would having no weight cost?
new member, unlimited group buy, no physical prototype, on the fence about using vendors, I can't tell if this is a poorly structured cash grab siphoning hype from a certain 75% or if OP truly believes this is a good idea. either way, I agree with the aforementioned requirement of post count prior to posting IC's. I feel you may have taken notes from the wrong interest checks without thinking of how poorly they went. I really hope you don't see this comment as a hate comment and you genuinely consider the feedback here. good luck OP.
Sorry if this has been answered. It's a little hairy sorting through the thread. Has it been decided if this will be a limited or unlimited run?
Super in! Would be nice to have a EU proxy and unlimited 24h like GB given the popularity. Beautiful design, Navy versione ftw
Is the discord channel private by any chance? When I accept the invite, discord only shows me the number of members but not any text channels.
any chance of alps support?
I would love for this to be an unlimited group buy. I would for sure be in as missing out on a number of raffles the last 6 months has been super disheartening.
I would love for this to be an unlimited group buy. I would for sure be in as missing out on a number of raffles the last 6 months has been super disheartening.
We've decided to settle on 485 boards in total for the groupbuy for reasons mentioned in the updated IC post.
I would love for this to be an unlimited group buy. I would for sure be in as missing out on a number of raffles the last 6 months has been super disheartening.
We've decided to settle on 485 boards in total for the groupbuy for reasons mentioned in the updated IC post.
I really hope to get a spot!
Out of curiosity, how troublesome would it be to offer an ISO (+hot-swap?) variant of the PCB? I have a feeling at least a third of the orders would be from Europeans.
I like the design choices and hope you stick to them - I honestly don't think you can pull off a separated arrow cluster in a manner that maintains finesse :thumb:
Waiting for this kind of keyboard for a long time.
some really funky colour options could make this stand out a lot
Cool design man, definitely interested since I probably won't be getting my hands on satisfaction 75 lol, I'm curious though what's the rotary encoder for? Is it something pre-programmed? Or can I change it to lets say volume control or something.
My god that teal is so nice
Wait...So when does the group buy start? I want one of these bad boys.
Interested!!
We reached out to RAMA Works regarding the concerns of the community; they had no issues with our board's design and wished us well for our group buy so the board will run with the current design aesthetic.
Of course, "he had no issues" - you've put him in an uncomfortable position.
Anyway...
Peace!
its a geometric shape, gtfo, no patents on that lul waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Prototype HYPE! :D
its a geometric shape, gtfo, no patents on that lul waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
its a geometric shape, gtfo, no patents on that lul waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Yes, the path of a LAZY DESIGNER is much easier.
With language like that - your place is on Reddit.
Good luck to you as well.
Really neat concept for a board
The iceberg render is so clean~~~
if only this was a 65, looks great!
its a geometric shape, gtfo, no patents on that lul waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Yes, the path of a LAZY DESIGNER is much easier.
With language like that - your place is on Reddit.
Good luck to you as well.
We took the advice, feedback, and criticism on geekhack and reddit from our first IC very seriously. We capped the groupbuy quantity, found a manufacturer, and have decided to go through a vendor as well (all due to advice from the first IC). We also took criticism for the design of the internals and subsequently redesigned them to make them more machineable. We also reached out to Rama early on to clarify any issues. Insinuating that our design is lazy is frankly rather insulting given the time, effort, and resources that we have expended into this endeavor. We've taken criticism in stride and hopefully shown that we're willing to make adjustments based upon feedback from people in the hobby.
Been following this for some time now. Is 460 the price now or this the old one?
This is the best 75% out that has features as well as value. It's so hard trying to build a keyboard part by part when it takes months even almost a year for a single part. If the group buy is starting in Q1 I can only presume that it won't be in hands till q3. The whole group buy thing is still very knew. My understanding is it's a super quick on the draw thing and once it's sold out it may never come back for 5-6years or on the aftermarket where it will be taxed 100-$200 more in price depending on rarity. Initially thought that if there is 400 units for sale and you git the 400 that they would then instantly start the distribution process regardless of anything but there does seem to be a process.
Been following this for some time now. Is 460 the price now or this the old one?
This is the best 75% out that has features as well as value. It's so hard trying to build a keyboard part by part when it takes months even almost a year for a single part. If the group buy is starting in Q1 I can only presume that it won't be in hands till q3. The whole group buy thing is still very knew. My understanding is it's a super quick on the draw thing and once it's sold out it may never come back for 5-6years or on the aftermarket where it will be taxed 100-$200 more in price depending on rarity. Initially thought that if there is 400 units for sale and you git the 400 that they would then instantly start the distribution process regardless of anything but there does seem to be a process.
Submitted!
I want this... I NEED this
Since joining the hobby, almost nothing has made me go 'I need this and cannot miss it' with the exception of the J0-1 remake (which I was lucky enough to join) and the Cajal45 (not so lucky)
This is the third running board that has made me feel that way.
I don't know if it's the skyline on the weight or just how well the clustered arrows fit with the perfect spacing on the top right corner between f-row, knob and bezels; but, god damn have you got me with this one dude.
Props on a beautifully designed board, I'll be definitely be trying my best to join :p
im in!
im in!
glad to have you on board. We've got some progress pics to update people while the prototype is being anodized.
Artisan Knob Prototypes progress pics from KeyLabs:
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The colors from left to right are gunmetal, nickel, copper, and brass and the plan is to infill the top of the knob.
Some plate materials that we're exploring in the prototype:
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im in!
glad to have you on board. We've got some progress pics to update people while the prototype is being anodized.
Artisan Knob Prototypes progress pics from KeyLabs:
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The colors from left to right are gunmetal, nickel, copper, and brass and the plan is to infill the top of the knob.
Some plate materials that we're exploring in the prototype:
(Attachment Link)
im in!
glad to have you on board. We've got some progress pics to update people while the prototype is being anodized.
Artisan Knob Prototypes progress pics from KeyLabs:
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The colors from left to right are gunmetal, nickel, copper, and brass and the plan is to infill the top of the knob.
Some plate materials that we're exploring in the prototype:
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This is pretty exciting are we mixing and matching with our boards or will this be on a separate kit?
im in!
glad to have you on board. We've got some progress pics to update people while the prototype is being anodized.
Artisan Knob Prototypes progress pics from KeyLabs:
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The colors from left to right are gunmetal, nickel, copper, and brass and the plan is to infill the top of the knob.
Some plate materials that we're exploring in the prototype:
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Can we buy just the knobs?
The knobs look great!
Any chance we can have a non in-filled option as well? I'm far keener on the clean aesthetics of the polished brass, or copper, on a board like this.
In for this! Hoping to get my first and only custom keeb.
I've never designed a board before, but I see it mentioned frequently on GH/MM/Discord about avoiding side mountain tabs. Can you comment on your decision to include it?
Oohh, a thicker sheet of Polycarb or Carbon might just be right for this!
I'm fearing 3mm brass will be fairly stiff, but probably luxurious sounding, but I personally would love either of those two materials.
Good to see you are exploring that, really hope it makes the cut in the GB. I do feel like some other offering just blindly included plate materials at times... (no proto with each etc)
In for this! Hoping to get my first and only custom keeb.
glad to have you on board, if you haven't already, join our discord for the latest updates and leaks!
Well be perfect if this board also includes per key RGB option since it is VIA compatible, for the extra "Pop" comparing to other 75% KB currently in the market/GB.
In for this! Hoping to get my first and only custom keeb.
glad to have you on board, if you haven't already, join our discord for the latest updates and leaks!
I just got in! Cant wait for the groupbuy already!!!
Well done on this!
While seemingly inspired by other boards, def looks unique imo. And kudos on taking community feedback in stride.
Will be watching this :)
Thats freaking sick cant wait till this is done and ready for that pre order!
any chance for more sizes?
Ah damn, I got excited when I saw the CF plate being shown off.
Any way we can convince you otherwise to offer at least the CF as an option during GB???
Other plate materials (with FR4 being an exception) are rather easy to procure with the file plate, but CF is another matter entirely.
CF, gaskets, and thicc ass cases are a combination for the heavens, please offer it up! ;D
Are those last photos in the main post FE version? If so, how to score one when released?
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I look at the comments everyday for this board. I feel like this page is more up-to-date than reddit or the discord. I legit have money saved to pull the trigger on this board it's crazy because this my first custom board. I read things about people going crazy over keyboards I was like that's just silly. Now after witnessing how fast a board can disappear I have to check email alerts daily just to make sure I don't miss anything.
will we get e-mail notifications on the release from the interest check survey ?
INTERESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And will buy when available.
This design gives me a smile on the face. As a beginner in this keyboard domain I hope this will be my first :thumb: :thumb:
But I guess I am to late... :( :(
Is now too late to jump in? Really my dream board.
I suspect this keyboard is more likely to be released closer to Q2. Q1 seems like a unrealistic delivery date.
Can you put the artisan pics in original post on page 1
It looks like the hotswap pcb supports blocker-less WKL 7U bottom row, but the solder PCB doesn't? Is there a reason for this and can you add this layout option to the solder PCB?
Quick question, does the hotswap pcb support all these layouts (7u and 6.25u spacebar, split backspace and stepped caps)? I'm asking because I have never seen hotswap pcbs support so many layouts and I don't know if I'm misunderstanding anything.
been eyeing on this for a while now. can't wait!
Been looking to buy a TKL style keyboard. This seems to fit my needs perfectly!
I'm in from EU surely!
The reasoning behind this is more related to the timeline in which we developed the PCBs. We didn't have a hotswap pcb in our original IC (only the soldering one with the exact same layout it currently has). After people requested a hotswap pcb and blockers/wkl layouts, we reconsidered a hotswap pcb and decided to add the blocker-less wkl instead of adding blockers to the board. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anyone really request the 7U bottom row in the solder variant so it probably won't happen given that the pcb prototypes have already been produced.
It looks like the hotswap pcb supports blocker-less WKL 7U bottom row, but the solder PCB doesn't? Is there a reason for this and can you add this layout option to the solder PCB?
The reasoning behind this is more related to the timeline in which we developed the PCBs. We didn't have a hotswap pcb in our original IC (only the soldering one with the exact same layout it currently has). After people requested a hotswap pcb and blockers/wkl layouts, we reconsidered a hotswap pcb and decided to add the blocker-less wkl instead of adding blockers to the board. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anyone really request the 7U bottom row in the solder variant so it probably won't happen given that the pcb prototypes have already been produced.Quick question, does the hotswap pcb support all these layouts (7u and 6.25u spacebar, split backspace and stepped caps)? I'm asking because I have never seen hotswap pcbs support so many layouts and I don't know if I'm misunderstanding anything.
That is correct. I believe the ikki aurora provided similar compatibility with a split spacebar in lieu of the 7U spacebar. We wanted to provide layout versatility in the hotswap pcb.been eyeing on this for a while now. can't wait!Been looking to buy a TKL style keyboard. This seems to fit my needs perfectly!
I'm in from EU surely!
Thanks! The board is a 75% (not a TKL) but glad to have your support. I should have a major update in two days or so.
Bloody hell. That wall thickness though. You could park a car on this thing. LOL
Which, to me is pretty cool, but my god man. That is a lot of material.
Hi everyone, I'm new in the forum! Wish I knew about it earlier to catch CyberVoyager and Space65. But, hopefully I'll catch the designs now. I'd be interested in Paragon!
Count me in on that!
This really is a pretty keyboard. I love the knobs and the engraved weight. I won't be able to afford this but I wish you the best of luck with the project. :)
Bloody hell. That wall thickness though. You could park a car on this thing. LOL
Which, to me is pretty cool, but my god man. That is a lot of material.Hi everyone, I'm new in the forum! Wish I knew about it earlier to catch CyberVoyager and Space65. But, hopefully I'll catch the designs now. I'd be interested in Paragon!Count me in on that!This really is a pretty keyboard. I love the knobs and the engraved weight. I won't be able to afford this but I wish you the best of luck with the project. :)
Thanks for all the support! The factory has finished producing the prototype and is shipping it to Germany. It should hopefully arrive late next week and spend roughly a week with Keebwerk before being shipped to us in California.
We prototyped an ewhite top case and deep navy bottom case to get multiple color samples in the same prototype (the final production units won't be two toned). There should be a gunmetal prototype knob as well as we were exploring color matching the knob to the case (this also provides us with gunmetal color samples). Here are some more pictures that the factory sent us:
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Thanks for all the support! The factory has finished producing the prototype and is shipping it to Germany. It should hopefully arrive late next week and spend roughly a week with Keebwerk before being shipped to us in California.
We prototyped an ewhite top case and deep navy bottom case to get multiple color samples in the same prototype (the final production units won't be two toned). There should be a gunmetal prototype knob as well as we were exploring color matching the knob to the case (this also provides us with gunmetal color samples). Here are some more pictures that the factory sent us:
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Ahh so here we go again. R00dy playing with my emotions. Slowly trying to draw me back in after I said I was going to leave this alone after having notifications and looking at this every single day for 4-5months.
Hmmmm...Deep Navy or E-White with Kat Mizu :-\If KAT Mizu is your endgame keycap set then I'd get Deep Navy, but if you have multiple sets on the way, and plan to rotate, the White is much more versatile, albeit less unique than Deep Navy.
Hmmmm...Deep Navy or E-White with Kat Mizu :-\
The weight alone... is gorgeous!! :eek:
Dear Sir, This is dxxbox from China, Love this keyboard when I first saw it, then I register and rely with faith that i can have a chance to order one, this will be my ultimate one.
Dear r00dy, if the total amount of the keyboard are limited, does it mean there will be spot sell? Or we need to wait another 7-12 months?
This is one of those times I wish I'd never discovered mechanical keyboards because this is so beautiful, and I want it, but my wallet weeps because I just can't justify spending that much money. But for real, well done. It's gorgeous!
Offff the prototype looks great! Cannot wait for this board! Well done.... it is beautiful.
Shame about the lack of RGBs.
This is one of those times I wish I'd never discovered mechanical keyboards because this is so beautiful, and I want it, but my wallet weeps because I just can't justify spending that much money. But for real, well done. It's gorgeous!Offff the prototype looks great! Cannot wait for this board! Well done.... it is beautiful.
Thanks for the support, the machining has been finished and the anodization is currently underway.Shame about the lack of RGBs.
When designing the pcb, we were careful to ensure the exclusion of RGB for aesthetic purposes.
This is one of those times I wish I'd never discovered mechanical keyboards because this is so beautiful, and I want it, but my wallet weeps because I just can't justify spending that much money. But for real, well done. It's gorgeous!Offff the prototype looks great! Cannot wait for this board! Well done.... it is beautiful.
Thanks for the support, the machining has been finished and the anodization is currently underway.Shame about the lack of RGBs.
When designing the pcb, we were careful to ensure the exclusion of RGB for aesthetic purposes.
Which I think is a shame. You might not like RGBs but plenty of people do. Besides me having and using RGBs shouldn't really matter to those who don't like and don't want RGBs.
looks really nice :) im not the biggest fan of 75s but im from the bay so im interested for the skyline weight. hopefully this goes well and you can run a 65 ver in the future too :D
Man as we are close to GB date I so so hope I'm fast enough to get one. This is on the top of my keyboard wish list.
looks really nice :) im not the biggest fan of 75s but im from the bay so im interested for the skyline weight. hopefully this goes well and you can run a 65 ver in the future too :D
Thanks! Unfortunately, we're not planning on running a 65% version of this so the likelihood of this weight reappearing is quite low.
Bloody hell. That wall thickness though. You could park a car on this thing. LOL
Which, to me is pretty cool, but my god man. That is a lot of material.Hi everyone, I'm new in the forum! Wish I knew about it earlier to catch CyberVoyager and Space65. But, hopefully I'll catch the designs now. I'd be interested in Paragon!Count me in on that!This really is a pretty keyboard. I love the knobs and the engraved weight. I won't be able to afford this but I wish you the best of luck with the project. :)
Thanks for all the support! The factory has finished producing the prototype and is shipping it to Germany. It should hopefully arrive late next week and spend roughly a week with Keebwerk before being shipped to us in California.
We prototyped an ewhite top case and deep navy bottom case to get multiple color samples in the same prototype (the final production units won't be two toned). There should be a gunmetal prototype knob as well as we were exploring color matching the knob to the case (this also provides us with gunmetal color samples). Here are some more pictures that the factory sent us:
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Bloody hell. That wall thickness though. You could park a car on this thing. LOL
Which, to me is pretty cool, but my god man. That is a lot of material.Hi everyone, I'm new in the forum! Wish I knew about it earlier to catch CyberVoyager and Space65. But, hopefully I'll catch the designs now. I'd be interested in Paragon!Count me in on that!This really is a pretty keyboard. I love the knobs and the engraved weight. I won't be able to afford this but I wish you the best of luck with the project. :)
Thanks for all the support! The factory has finished producing the prototype and is shipping it to Germany. It should hopefully arrive late next week and spend roughly a week with Keebwerk before being shipped to us in California.
We prototyped an ewhite top case and deep navy bottom case to get multiple color samples in the same prototype (the final production units won't be two toned). There should be a gunmetal prototype knob as well as we were exploring color matching the knob to the case (this also provides us with gunmetal color samples). Here are some more pictures that the factory sent us:
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What are the screw holes for in the plate; it's a gasket-mount, rihgt?
I respect that even through all the scrutiny you kept your cool and made adjustments to see it through. GLWGB brodie
This is definitely one of my most anticipated boards this year! The e-white color looks especially clean, same with the artisan knobs.
So when will the GB start?
Cool! Thanks for the update! Looking forward to perhaps an e-white version! Or whatever colour options we might get at GB!
I suck at FCFS, was really hoping this would be unlimited.
Cool! Thanks for the update! Looking forward to perhaps an e-white version! Or whatever colour options we might get at GB!
You're welcome, the colors as per the main post are E-white, Black, Deep Navy, & Gunmetal. The colors haven't changed over the past few months and we don't anticipate any changes in colors before the gb.I suck at FCFS, was really hoping this would be unlimited.
Unfortunately, an unlimited gb is currently infeasible. We feel comfortable with the quantity and format of the GB.
very clean!
Very nice and clean looking design.
Quick question on the plate options, in the first page of IC it mentions Polycarbonate and VT Alu, but in discord FAQ still mentions only brass, so what is the finalised option?
Hi r00dy,
Any LE of GB?
Lol stop trying to bump this thread and let it go back to the bottom.
Really looking forward to this keyboard, only reason I joined this group. Any potential release date for a GB since it's now being revised for a third time? Completely understand the want to have a perfect product before it goes out.
Did the IC also have a vote on where the purchases might come from? I hope theres enough in every location. I dont mind waiting for a well QC board. But just have enough for all the interested parties to get one Id love the eWhite Paragon for my new hobby.
I agree, 300 allotment for the US may just encourage scalpers. With how many are currently interested in this, why not make it an unlimited buy for a set amount of time? Couldn't hurt to let everyone who wants one get one.
given the hype can you maybe consider increasing the cap?
75 for SEA sounds very, very low. jelly epoch had 150 quota for SEA and it literally crashed the vendors' servers.
i really, really want to get this. Please!!
yes please!! increase the cap for EU too! since it takes longer to get the group buy ready... it's a great idea!
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Too rounded for my taste and not a double exploded layout but I do like the side profile of the case. GL moving this to GB and beyond!I love the look of this board personally. Very clean and it just looks like a solid rock. Don't even mind at this point there's no RGB, I think it works for this.
Wow you had me at gunmetal. ;D
Too rounded for my taste and not a double exploded layout but I do like the side profile of the case. GL moving this to GB and beyond!I love the look of this board personally. Very clean and it just looks like a solid rock. Don't even mind at this point there's no RGB, I think it works for this.
There is a high likelihood that the board may not sell out so preemptively requesting an unlimited groupbuy seems rather premature.
Would love to get this too but agree with others that this board will disappear in seconds as soon as GB starts. Please consider upping the limits or perhaps unlimited GB if possible...I second that, please increase the quantity for EU please.
Especially for EU.
There is a high likelihood that the board may not sell out so preemptively requesting an unlimited groupbuy seems rather premature.
Uhh... I can tell you with full confidence the board will not last longer than 3 seconds.
Would love to get this too but agree with others that this board will disappear in seconds as soon as GB starts. Please consider upping the limits or perhaps unlimited GB if possible...
Especially for EU.
Would love to get this too but agree with others that this board will disappear in seconds as soon as GB starts. Please consider upping the limits or perhaps unlimited GB if possible...I second that, please increase the quantity for EU please.
Especially for EU.
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I agree: after all these months there is an exaggerated hype for this board. Especially for us in the EU it would be better to considerably increase the expected quantities or even opt for an unlimited GB :cool:
Really looking forward to this keyboard, only reason I joined this group. Any potential release date for a GB since it's now being revised for a third time? Completely understand the want to have a perfect product before it goes out.
Thanks for the support! We're going to hold off on announcements regarding a timeline until we're confident in the prototype and are ready to proceed to the groupbuy. Tentatively, I'd expect a groupbuy closer to the end of the year barring any major setbacks.Did the IC also have a vote on where the purchases might come from? I hope theres enough in every location. I dont mind waiting for a well QC board. But just have enough for all the interested parties to get one Id love the eWhite Paragon for my new hobby.
The IC did have a vote and it is how we selected the quantity allocation. Please see the attached image:
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I agree, 300 allotment for the US may just encourage scalpers. With how many are currently interested in this, why not make it an unlimited buy for a set amount of time? Couldn't hurt to let everyone who wants one get one.
The image attached above shows the interest distribution. It's how we arrived at 300 for the US.given the hype can you maybe consider increasing the cap?
75 for SEA sounds very, very low. jelly epoch had 150 quota for SEA and it literally crashed the vendors' servers.
i really, really want to get this. Please!!yes please!! increase the cap for EU too! since it takes longer to get the group buy ready... it's a great idea!
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I'm not sure how delays before the groupbuy warrant an increase in quantity as the two seem quite unrelated to me. As first time groupbuy runners, we don't want to overextend ourselves with a larger quantity. We also want to build trust with the community and that means proving that we can deliver a quality product within a reasonable time frame after the groupbuy runs. There is a high likelihood that the board may not sell out so preemptively requesting an unlimited groupbuy seems rather premature.
Cool! Thanks for the update! Looking forward to perhaps an e-white version! Or whatever colour options we might get at GB!
You're welcome, the colors as per the main post are E-white, Black, Deep Navy, & Gunmetal. The colors haven't changed over the past few months and we don't anticipate any changes in colors before the gb.I suck at FCFS, was really hoping this would be unlimited.
Unfortunately, an unlimited gb is currently infeasible. We feel comfortable with the quantity and format of the GB.
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I have been preferring the Paragon over the quite well-known Glorious GMMK pro because I believe it will be customized more towards preferences of the community.
I just realized the mounting points of Paragon are indeed quite similar to that of the Glorious GMMK Pro (75%) - there are also mounting points on the side. On the contrary, I found most of the mounting points of builds - even as big as 75% and TKL (iirc e.g. RAMA U80, Zenith, TGR Jane) are mostly just mounted at the top edge and the bottom edge for more uniform flex across the board. This is one major reason I hesitate about getting the Glorious GMMK Pro.
I know this question is raised relatively late in the prototyping progress. I just want to point it out and let Op to have the chance to elaborate the rationale behind such design decision.
By the way, I like the manufacturer - hope this will make those in the EU enjoy better VAT rate.
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I have been preferring the Paragon over the quite well-known Glorious GMMK pro because I believe it will be customized more towards preferences of the community.
I just realized the mounting points of Paragon are indeed quite similar to that of the Glorious GMMK Pro (75%) - there are also mounting points on the side. On the contrary, I found most of the mounting points of builds - even as big as 75% and TKL (iirc e.g. RAMA U80, Zenith, TGR Jane) are mostly just mounted at the top edge and the bottom edge for more uniform flex across the board. This is one major reason I hesitate about getting the Glorious GMMK Pro.
I know this question is raised relatively late in the prototyping progress. I just want to point it out and let Op to have the chance to elaborate the rationale behind such design decision.
By the way, I like the manufacturer - hope this will make those in the EU enjoy better VAT rate.
Thanks for the interest. If you refer to the latest update on the main post (9/06), you will notice that the side gasket tabs have been removed and the plate thickness has been reduced to 1.5 mm. The following, however, was the original reasoning (copy pasted from a previous geekhack reply):
"Keebwerk ran some plate analysis and determined that it was ideal to use the 3mm plate with the gasket implementation as shown right now. Our gasket implementation is not as focused on plate flex as we have a 3 mm plate which already reduces plate flex substantially. We thought about it and decided that the side gaskets can be optional (you don't have to insert them if you don't want to) but the option exists."
I would like to add that we found the 3 mm pc and pom plates to be surprisingly flexible. However, we decided to standardize the plate for increased flex due to the recent trends regarding flex. For full transparency, I personally prefer a stiffer typing experience whereas my partner prefers a softer typing experience so we hope to provide both options with a variety of gasket and plate options during the groupbuy.
On a side note, I would also like to point out that I found the final sentence of the inquiry regarding the 3 mm plate rather loaded. The plate design has been addressed in virtually each iteration and this exact question has already been answered. I can understand citing other popular boards as references to substantiate the claim but I personally felt like the question was biased in assuming that side tabs were necessarily inferior while also affording me a "chance to elaborate the rationale behind such design decision". While I agree with your opinion, I disagree with the phrasing of your inquiry. On a more general note, I implore everyone to read through this thread before asking questions. All of the information that I've reiterated in this response can be found in this thread.
and wondering if I feel the same way about it.
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I have been preferring the Paragon over the quite well-known Glorious GMMK pro because I believe it will be customized more towards preferences of the community.
I just realized the mounting points of Paragon are indeed quite similar to that of the Glorious GMMK Pro (75%) - there are also mounting points on the side. On the contrary, I found most of the mounting points of builds - even as big as 75% and TKL (iirc e.g. RAMA U80, Zenith, TGR Jane) are mostly just mounted at the top edge and the bottom edge for more uniform flex across the board. This is one major reason I hesitate about getting the Glorious GMMK Pro.
I know this question is raised relatively late in the prototyping progress. I just want to point it out and let Op to have the chance to elaborate the rationale behind such design decision.
By the way, I like the manufacturer - hope this will make those in the EU enjoy better VAT rate.
Thanks for the interest. If you refer to the latest update on the main post (9/06), you will notice that the side gasket tabs have been removed and the plate thickness has been reduced to 1.5 mm. The following, however, was the original reasoning (copy pasted from a previous geekhack reply):
"Keebwerk ran some plate analysis and determined that it was ideal to use the 3mm plate with the gasket implementation as shown right now. Our gasket implementation is not as focused on plate flex as we have a 3 mm plate which already reduces plate flex substantially. We thought about it and decided that the side gaskets can be optional (you don't have to insert them if you don't want to) but the option exists."
I would like to add that we found the 3 mm pc and pom plates to be surprisingly flexible. However, we decided to standardize the plate for increased flex due to the recent trends regarding flex. For full transparency, I personally prefer a stiffer typing experience whereas my partner prefers a softer typing experience so we hope to provide both options with a variety of gasket and plate options during the groupbuy.
On a side note, I would also like to point out that I found the final sentence of the inquiry regarding the 3 mm plate rather loaded. The plate design has been addressed in virtually each iteration and this exact question has already been answered. I can understand citing other popular boards as references to substantiate the claim but I personally felt like the question was biased in assuming that side tabs were necessarily inferior while also affording me a "chance to elaborate the rationale behind such design decision". While I agree with your opinion, I disagree with the phrasing of your inquiry. On a more general note, I implore everyone to read through this thread before asking questions. All of the information that I've reiterated in this response can be found in this thread.
Didn't see the photo of prototype 3 but now I'm aware of the decision to remove side tabs of the plate - thanks for the pointer and the hassle to reiterate how the design process was.
Perhaps I am biased against having side tabs but it limits to having flex in a design. Side tabs are not necessarily inferior when a design wants full support such as in the top/bottom/sandwich mount. "Flex" depends mostly on the plate material, e.g. for users like yourself who prefer a stiffer typing experience usually can opt for harder plate material such as brass which almost does not flex at all. And there is also the "give" while typing that depends on the material of the gaskets. Flexible plates with tabs on the side flex like a funny trampoline - stiffer also on both sides and maybe some people will like it still.
Hope you feel more comfortable about my phrasing this time, and GLW prototying and GB with this nice design!
Every 500 years I gotta come to this thread just to see if I imagined this board and wondering if I feel the same way about it.
Sick. So is glorious coming out with a new version of gmmk pro with every skyline ? I hope they do LA.
How set are you with the KBD75 layout?
Can you add a horizontally offset cluster?
At the end of the day, theres only so many suggestions we can take while retaining the identity of the board. Weve decided that symmetry and the even bezel fundamentally define this board and set it apart. While we understand that this might be a dealbreaker for some of you, we feel that adding a cluster would change the identity of the board and of course the number of SKUs for the top body of the board.
Can you add WKL?
Standard WKL layouts have blockers and as we just mentioned, weve decided against blockers; however, we have decided to support a layout that supports two mods on both sides to preserve the WKL functionality without the blockers (see new renders above). We felt like this was an amenable solution because it did not fundamentally alter the seamless aesthetic of the board.
Can you add an offset arrow cluster?
The mounting system is embedded within the bezel. To use an offset cluster, we would have to redesign the board from the ground up. Additionally, the offset arrow cluster board would be larger, so adding an entirely larger board as a SKU which would be both expensive to develop and sell due to the entirely new SKU. We also didnt like the idea of the spacing and symmetry being compromised but the feasibility of implementing an offset cluster was what really eliminated this option from contention.
Any updates on GB date?
Only just saw this now, but I want in for Purple for my GMK Mecha-01 endgame...
+1 for Australia!
Discord invite ain't working atm but I can fully expect it will be functional before the actual GB, right? :D
But....but only 75 units allocated to Asia....it'll be a hell of a competition to snatch one I'd presume.
Regardless, GLWGB and thx for a gorgeous board!
Any updates on GB date?
Oh god I'm so excited! Really hope I can get one!
Are there prototypes with the rest of the colorways?