PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (COMPLETED)

[Oobly]

The new Leopold sets... I really can't tell the difference if there is any between my Cherry keys. They are definitely not taller than Cherry and have sharp corners and etc. Not the older ones, I wouldn't give a **** about those.

I stand corrected! Thank you for this info... <starts looking on eBay for Leopold sets...> JK! No need to with this and GMK Dolch on their way But it is nice to know there are more Cherry-like profile sets to choose from. Really curious now about who makes them.

[Shinryuu]

How's this thing going?

[IvanIvanovich]

It's in production still is all I know about it at the moment.

[pr1me]

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)

[Barracuda]

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)

Sent you a pm

[Ridillz]

to be fair I'm pretty sure I remember Ivan saying that production would take 5-6 weeks after it begins. back in feb or so. Its been four-ish weeks at this point?

[spookymikal]

to be fair I'm pretty sure I remember Ivan saying that production would take 5-6 weeks after it begins. back in feb or so. Its been four-ish weeks at this point?

So there's a chance I'll get these before christmas?

[bazh]

be prepare for the unexpected situations, this is the first time we doing GB with PLUM so no one can be sure of anything

[Sergeant_Shart]

I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

[strict]

I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.

[Karura]

I'm now in

Can't wait to receive. Should be interesting to see how it compares to IMSTO's black on grey dyesubs.

[Shinryuu]

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)

Thanks for the info

[dante]

I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.

^ This times eleventy million.

This is a CUSTOM order for a product you will likely never see produced again.  Ivan is busting his ass for not only handling and shuffling around hundreds of orders but will also have to deal with packaging everything up.  Show some ****ing patience and gratitude!

[Sergeant_Shart]

I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.

^ This times eleventy million.

This is a CUSTOM order for a product you will likely never see produced again.  Ivan is busting his ass for not only handling and shuffling around hundreds of orders but will also have to deal with packaging everything up.  Show some ****ing patience and gratitude!

LOL Ivan hasn't taken a new order in months, the only "shuffling" happening here is customer to customer and Ivan changes the name on his Google Doc.. SOO MUCH WORK.. Fix your glass feelings, I made a generic statement about a product promised to buyers and I'll say it, it's not a coincidence that amount of people dropping out.

[pr1me]

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)

Update : Order is sold.
Thanks for the PM's. 

[geniekid]

I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.

^ This times eleventy million.

This is a CUSTOM order for a product you will likely never see produced again.  Ivan is busting his ass for not only handling and shuffling around hundreds of orders but will also have to deal with packaging everything up.  Show some ****ing patience and gratitude!

LOL Ivan hasn't taken a new order in months, the only "shuffling" happening here is customer to customer and Ivan changes the name on his Google Doc.. SOO MUCH WORK.. Fix your glass feelings, I made a generic statement about a product promised to buyers and I'll say it, it's not a coincidence that amount of people dropping out.

To be fair, Sergeant_Shart previously mentioned his impatience was with PLUM and not with Ivan.  Perhaps he should have reiterated that instead of asserting that Ivan hasn't done much work with this GB lately which - true or not - is irrelevant.  Ivan has moved quickly with all the parts under his control.

[j0hnny]

HAHA it's almost our 1 year thick black pbt keycap anniversary! I totally forgot I had these ordered.

[spookymikal]

I'm pretty glad I got in late on this buy.

[Karura]

Just wondering, are there production examples of PLUM keycaps? Like did they make any other set we can look at as reference?

I'm guessing IMSTOs thick PBT aren't plum, but maybe someone knows better

[tbc]

noppoo choc mini?  but that would be POM

[IvanIvanovich]

There is pictures of some Plum produced stuff through the thread if you want to roll back through it.

[Sergeant_Shart]

ABS can look exactly like PBT, I've never seen plum and signed on when it was still 'IMSTO THICK PBT' we have pretty much no idea what these caps are going to feel like only a fuzzy example of what they will resemble in appearance.

[spookymikal]

There is pictures of some Plum produced stuff through the thread if you want to roll back through it.

For the lazy:

I think these are Plum PBT caps with pad printing (not dyesub like you're getting)




These are POM not PBT but made by Plum

Ivan, you also made some posts back in march about samples being produced but then they changed the material supplier from the japanese one to du point. Did you get any samples of those pictures so we can get an idea of the thickness?

[IvanIvanovich]

Yes they will be thick like their POM ones, same thick like Cherry imsto, BSP, OG Cherry.
I haven't gotten any samples, pics of samples or any further updates out of them for awhile now. I will have to go chasing after them I suppose.

[Sergeant_Shart]

What could it hurt right, I mean they've been in production for a while now, they've got to at least have an update for you. Maybe one of their machines broke, we have no idea but it would be awesome if they even fired an email at you.

[connorelsea]

Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

[TBone]

Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

No, but you may be able to pick up someone's order or find some in the classifieds once they ship.

[minho]

Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.

[TLExile]

Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.

Damn that if only i could get in on that^

[zippox]

This GB must be frustrating for Ivan. Keep a positive attitude and soon this will be over!

[spookymikal]

This GB must be frustrating for Ivan. Keep a positive attitude and soon this will be over!

Judging by the length of time most people have been waiting, I'd venture that Ivan isn't the only one frustrated.

I don't mind personally, since I literally got in on the GB a few weeks ago, but reading through this thread start to finish, I could definitely see being frustrated if I'd been waiting from the beginning. As far back as April people were being told the caps would be "entering production shortly! Just a few more weeks!"

And it's not like it's Ivan's fault. He's just repeating the information given to him and assuming that it was accurate and true information.

[CK Briefs]

This GB must be frustrating for Ivan. Keep a positive attitude and soon this will be over!

Judging by the length of time most people have been waiting, I'd venture that Ivan isn't the only one frustrated.

I don't mind personally, since I literally got in on the GB a few weeks ago, but reading through this thread start to finish, I could definitely see being frustrated if I'd been waiting from the beginning. As far back as April people were being told the caps would be "entering production shortly! Just a few more weeks!"

And it's not like it's Ivan's fault. He's just repeating the information given to him and assuming that it was accurate and true information.

Lol your comment reminded me that this started in Nov last year.


Ah, how time flies :/

[connorelsea]

Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.

I'm new here and I've heard some bad things about group buys on this forum. Especially from reddit, but I don't really know what's true or not. What exactly are group buys and why is this one taking so long?

[SpAmRaY]

Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.

I'm new here and I've heard some bad things about group buys on this forum. Especially from reddit, but I don't really know what's true or not. What exactly are group buys and why is this one taking so long?

First of all a group buy is a bunch of fellow enthusiasts pooling their resources to purchase things they otherwise wouldn't be able to get and/or get for a decent price. In this case a keyset which didn't exist.

Ivan was very clear and has been that this would all be a learning process for this set. I believe a bulk of the time after orders ended was spent finding a proper plastic to be used to actually make these so they could be properly dye-subed.

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.

[strict]

First of all a group buy is a bunch of fellow enthusiasts pooling their resources to purchase things they otherwise wouldn't be able to get and/or get for a decent price. In this case a keyset which didn't exist.

Ivan was very clear and has been that this would all be a learning process for this set. I believe a bulk of the time after orders ended was spent finding a proper plastic to be used to actually make these so they could be properly dye-subed.

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.

+1

This group buy isn't taking that long, we just have a very vocal minority that has unrealistic expectations.

Also, dont trust 96% of what you read on reddit. There was a post on the front page today that is very fitting for this situation - "The more I read comments on reddit about things I know about, the more I see that I should stop trusting comments on things I know nothing about."

[JaccoW]

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.

This.

It looks like most people who have never participated in a GB think it is just collecting money, handing it over and then walking away with the product. So anything over 2 months becomes "long".
Especially for the prices we manage to negotiate, production is in line with what you can expect. And if anything goes wrong (f.e. Wrong plastic), you miss a production slot and a buy gets delayed.
Only because of the experience of some of the GB organizers (Ivan, Matt, Bunnylake, to name a few) and some improved systems like at Signature Plastics we have seen some pretty quick GBs in the last year or so. Before that it was not uncommon for them to take around a year to materialize. Round 4 for example took nearly 2 years because of the complexity. That is why Ivan has drastically decreased the number of options.

But there have been a few rotten apples. People who took the money, started production and because life intervened were never able to deliver. Or some people who outright scammed people.
These are fortunately very rare.

As always buyer beware and if something feels off, don't participate.
If you expect it to be delivered on time, don't bother. Pretty much every project in business gets delayed and we don't even have the business clause necessary to do something about it.
It is based on trust, but that trust sometimes delivers truly special things for a mish-mash of people from this community and others...

[spookymikal]

Won't it be nice when 3d printing gets to a point that it can replace the need for group buys?

Can't wait.

[JaccoW]

Won't it be nice when 3d printing gets to a point that it can replace the need for group buys?

Can't wait.

Instant gratification FTW!

Then you will be waiting for the designers to come up with designs though.

[pr0ximity]

I've been in this for a while and am actually enjoying it. The wait is part of the experience, especially for a set like this.

[demik]

I've been in this for a while and am actually enjoying it. The wait is part of the experience, especially for a set like this.

don't lie to yourself.

waiting sucks, period. it's part of gb's, but it still sucks.

[connorelsea]

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.

Before that it was not uncommon for them to take around a year to materialize. Round 4 for example took nearly 2 years because of the complexity. That is why Ivan has drastically decreased the number of options.

Sorry for being so new, but why are they called rounds? And what are people referencing in that thread when they are referring to prior rounds. Just wondering. Seems to be important if you can simply refer to it as Round 4 and people know what it is.

[JaccoW]

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.

Before that it was not uncommon for them to take around a year to materialize. Round 4 for example took nearly 2 years because of the complexity. That is why Ivan has drastically decreased the number of options.

Sorry for being so new, but why are they called rounds? And what are people referencing in that thread when they are referring to prior rounds. Just wondering. Seems to be important if you can simply refer to it as Round 4 and people know what it is.

The 'Round' part refers to a specific groupbuy. In this case one organized by 7Bit which is similar to one he organized before. He is currently doing a Round 5 which is supposed to ship by the end of October.
If something turns out to be very popular, a lot of people usually come in late because they didn't know a GB was happening. If enough people are interested the GB organizer might decide to do another round.
Just like Ivan had a PBT dyesub 104/105 set ROUND 2.
There is nothing more to it. It's mostly shorthand.

In most cases people refer to the set itself. Like CMYK and Purple GMK mods, CMYW, GMK RGBY or Skull Squadron DSA. Not to be confused with the new round of Skull Squadron in DCS-profile.
Other example: Lightsaver V2 (which has some slight improvements over the V1)

[taylordcraig]

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.

Before that it was not uncommon for them to take around a year to materialize. Round 4 for example took nearly 2 years because of the complexity. That is why Ivan has drastically decreased the number of options.

Sorry for being so new, but why are they called rounds? And what are people referencing in that thread when they are referring to prior rounds. Just wondering. Seems to be important if you can simply refer to it as Round 4 and people know what it is.

The 'Round' part refers to a specific groupbuy. In this case one organized by 7Bit which is similar to one he organized before. He is currently doing a Round 5 which is supposed to ship by the end of October.
If something turns out to be very popular, a lot of people usually come in late because they didn't know a GB was happening. If enough people are interested the GB organizer might decide to do another round.
Just like Ivan had a PBT dyesub 104/105 set ROUND 2.
There is nothing more to it. It's mostly shorthand.

In most cases people refer to the set itself. Like CMYK and Purple GMK mods, CMYW, GMK RGBY or Skull Squadron DSA. Not to be confused with the new round of Skull Squadron in DCS-profile.
Other example: Lightsaver V2 (which has some slight improvements changes over the V1)

V1 case for LIFE.

But in all seriousness, I've been scammed twice since joining GH one year ago, and got my money back on one of those accounts. I've lost MAYBE 3% of total invested cash.

[bueller]

Amateurs. I'm still waiting for an alu case I paid for last NOVEMBER.

[Karura]

Amateurs. I'm still waiting for an alu case I paid for last NOVEMBER.

Which one would that be?

[bueller]

Amateurs. I'm still waiting for an alu case I paid for last NOVEMBER.

Which one would that be?

Alixinhzai's GB - it's supposed to be in the post but I'm starting to think it's been misplaced or delivered to the wrong address because I've been waiting like a month for it.

[bazh]

I've been in this for a while and am actually enjoying it. The wait is part of the experience, especially for a set like this.

don't lie to yourself.

waiting sucks, period. it's part of gb's, but it still sucks.

it's only sucks if you remember

[taylordcraig]

I've been in this for a while and am actually enjoying it. The wait is part of the experience, especially for a set like this.

don't lie to yourself.

waiting sucks, period. it's part of gb's, but it still sucks.

it's only sucks if you remember

Amateurs. I'm still waiting for an alu case I paid for last NOVEMBER.

Which one would that be?

Alixinhzai's GB - it's supposed to be in the post but I'm starting to think it's been misplaced or delivered to the wrong address because I've been waiting like a month for it.

sorry to hear it bueller, I finally got mine the other week.

@bazh: I couldnt agree more. I never remember what I've bought.

[IvanIvanovich]

I've been told again 'soon' but I'm not sure what 'soon' means at PLUM. :/

[boost]

I've been told again 'soon' but I'm not sure what 'soon' means at PLUM. :/

-_-