You need to get one of these:Please don’t troll people when they’re asking questions about their health. It’s not a joke.Show Image(http://www.pcguide.com/ref/kb/layout/z_011134ergo.jpg)
The rubber dome key switches will be of immense help to your wrists.
Once upon a time, Bruce Lee injured his back, and literally had to spend the next 6 months of his life on his back. No kung fu, no working out, no walking around...
Bad Advices from Programers about Typing & Keyboard (RSI) (http://xahlee.info/kbd/programer_keyboarding_advice.html) by Xah Lee
You need to get one of these:Show Image(http://www.pcguide.com/ref/kb/layout/z_011134ergo.jpg)
The rubber dome key switches will be of immense help to your wrists.
Bad Advices from Programers about Typing & Keyboard (RSI) (http://xahlee.info/kbd/programer_keyboarding_advice.html) by Xah Lee
That's an interesting link. Hits home as far as having to look at what you're doing and not just take blind advice.
@GSimon: maybe in a couple weeks let us know how the Evoluent works for you. I've used plenty of mice for a couple days to a couple weeks before realizing they don't work for me. It'd be nice to hear back to see if it works long term.
Google : Wrist support.
If it gets serious enough that is what I would use.Show Image(http://www.ossurwebshop.co.uk/product_images/g/965/Neoprene_wt_brace(2)__87821_zoom.jpg)
My girlfriend is hyperflexible and curls her wrists in odd ways when sleeping which is why she uses something similar (the more expensive option). She is also a dentist, so it is important that she keeps her wrists/hands free of pain. It works for her. She wears them a lot around the house. Also when using the computer.
Google : Wrist support.
If it gets serious enough that is what I would use.Show Image(http://www.ossurwebshop.co.uk/product_images/g/965/Neoprene_wt_brace(2)__87821_zoom.jpg)
My girlfriend is hyperflexible and curls her wrists in odd ways when sleeping which is why she uses something similar (the more expensive option). She is also a dentist, so it is important that she keeps her wrists/hands free of pain. It works for her. She wears them a lot around the house. Also when using the computer.
Both. I use something a little less extreme when my wrists start to hurt and it helps quite a bit.
Hmmmmmm.... is this -support- or a -restraint- , such that it keeps the wearer from bad habits of contortion..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/confused-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862495)
Hmmmmmm.... is this -support- or a -restraint- , such that it keeps the wearer from bad habits of contortion..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/confused-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862495)
ErgoRest...Show Image(http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/SL/IMG_6836n.jpg)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52614.msg1228059#msg1228059
go back to the kinesis, literally lock away EVERY keyboard you have and use the kinesis 24/7, this forces you to learn.+1 simplest way to avoid pinky strain. japanese keyboards are another option (not aware of many split ones though)
then map a shift key to the thumb cluster (i use delete)
@GSimon: maybe in a couple weeks let us know how the Evoluent works for you. I've used plenty of mice for a couple days to a couple weeks before realizing they don't work for me. It'd be nice to hear back to see if it works long term.i bought the wireless small version when it came out, wrote some thoughts here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36405.msg1232615#msg1232615)
You need to get one of these:Please don’t troll people when they’re asking questions about their health. It’s not a joke.Show Image(http://www.pcguide.com/ref/kb/layout/z_011134ergo.jpg)
The rubber dome key switches will be of immense help to your wrists.
Note: the shape of these keyboards is better than a standard keyboard for wrist strain (though it would be even better with more separation, more tenting, more angle, and a more sensible key layout), but the switches are only good for cost reduction for the manufacturer, and can be actively harmful because they encourage the typist to press the keys *much* harder than necessary to actuate the switch (to avoid errors, because actuation is at the bottom), jamming fingers into the switch bottom and putting quite a bit of stress on joints.
ErgoRest...Show Image(http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/SL/IMG_6836n.jpg)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52614.msg1228059#msg1228059
Here's a version that mechanicalkeyboards is selling:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=279Show Image(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_279_TL2013KAR1_main.jpg)
The one you linked looks more refined/better quality but I believe this could be more benefitial.
ErgoRest...Show Image(http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/SL/IMG_6836n.jpg)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52614.msg1228059#msg1228059
Here's a version that mechanicalkeyboards is selling:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=279Show Image(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_279_TL2013KAR1_main.jpg)
The one you linked looks more refined/better quality but I believe this could be more benefitial.
The nice thing with the ErgoRest is that it follows your movement,
so your arms will float/hover above the desk without causing strain or friction.
The nice thing with the ErgoRest is that it follows your movement,
so your arms will float/hover above the desk without causing strain or friction.
ErgoRest...Show Image(http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/SL/IMG_6836n.jpg)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52614.msg1228059#msg1228059
Here's a version that mechanicalkeyboards is selling:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=279Show Image(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_279_TL2013KAR1_main.jpg)
The one you linked looks more refined/better quality but I believe this could be more benefitial.
The nice thing with the ErgoRest is that it follows your movement,
so your arms will float/hover above the desk without causing strain or friction.
hmmmm interesting..... i think it'd be nice if they had a whole-forearm version? /goes down to the elbows.
Have you actually used a Microsoft Natural keyboard? I find them to be extremely comfortable.I did. I would still rather get Kineiss Advantage despite the higher price.
Have you actually used a Microsoft Natural keyboard? I find them to be extremely comfortable.Yes. The shape is marginally better than a standard keyboard. On par with the Chicony KB-7000 (which has more split) or the Apple Adjustable (which is also more adjustable), not as nice as the Cherry G80-5000 or IBM Model M13 or Truly Ergonomic KB. Substantially worse than, say, the Maltron.
Have you actually used a Microsoft Natural keyboard? I find them to be extremely comfortable.I did. I would still rather get Kineiss Advantage despite the higher price.
I do not care that much about switches but the shape of Kinesis Advantage is much better compared to MS Natural.
Noisyturtle: does your inflammation have any correlation to other aspects of your life, such as stress level, amount of exercise, or diet?
John Sarno’s books are pseudosciencey and a bit hokey, but I know several software engineers who had chronic back pain and/or wrist/joint pain who were profoundly helped by reading one: http://www.amazon.com/John-E.-Sarno/e/B001IOBML8/
Maybe the first thing to do is to get out of a job which regularly requires 10 hours a day of work (I suppose that time does not include lunch time, mandatory time in company gym or some other exercise). Not only it is bad for health but it is also bad for your employer since per-hour-productivity drops very quickly with increasing daily working hours. The result is that the total output decreases with 9 or more hours put into work daily.
I'll get right to it.I can explain you many things you can do to save your life but I don't have the time and energy to rewrite it all right now so I strongly suggest you read ALL of my posts in the Ergonomics section.
I'm only 20 and I am already getting really bad aches in my wrists, especially my right (mouse) hand and I get a terrible paid when I use the left shift key.
I've been programming and the like since I was 11 and fear I have abused my wrists already.
Now, it's no where near debilitating, but I'd like to be nipping this in the bud as soon as possible, I work from home a lot as a software developer and consultant and would like to get this sorted so I can carry on working on full tilt.
Do you have any suggestions for keyboards and mouse set ups for this kind of problem? For the last 2-3 years I've had a plethora of different mechanical keyboards, right now I'm on my Filco Majestouch 2, and I feel like I need something that is split so I don't have that point parallel wrist thing going on, I've recently switched my mouse hand over to the left so that's not so much of a problem any more.
Also, I have tried a kinesis advantage, but stupidly I don't think I gave it enough time, my patients ran out after about a week of use as it was really slowing me down in my job, but I would be willing to give it another go if nothing else comes up.
Any suggestions or advise are appreciated, thank you.
I can explain you many things you can do to save your life but I don't have the time and energy to rewrite it all right now so I strongly suggest you read ALL of my posts in the Ergonomics section.I’m mostly curious about this one:
the only solution is to cut off your hands at the wristHaven't you heard about Phantom pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_pain)?
the only solution is to cut off your hands at the wristHaven't you heard about Phantom pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_pain)?
Your proposal is rather brutal and it is not sure it would help.
the only solution is to cut off your hands at the wrist
the only solution is to cut off your hands at the wrist
A smiley face to show you're joking goes a long way...
You need to get one of these:My life was literally destroyed by using that abominable keyboard with super stiff rubberdome high velocity high-impact nerve-damaging switches. :(Show Image(http://www.pcguide.com/ref/kb/layout/z_011134ergo.jpg)
The rubber dome key switches will be of immense help to your wrists.
I experienced the exact same distress, starting at about 18-19. Between my work, (quite intensive physical labour with many, many amazing vibrations to really shake that old carpal up) and my propensity to game and program, my hands were soon becoming unusable. Enter a few years down the road, and my sister informing me that she had a heavy gluten sensitivity that left her swollen (and moody).
A few months later, my aches and pains were becoming lessened, and as it would happen; my inflammation in my joints (as well as most everywhere else) had subsided, resulting in a relatively pain-free experience.
Now I'm not claiming this as a be-all, end all solution, but it may be worth your while to attempt a week or so trial to see if it indeed helps alleviate your issues.
Are you saying you had inflammation and pains in other parts of your body, other than your hands / wrist?It’s possible this has something to do with stress (family trouble, lots of responsibility or frustration at work, or the like), possibly compounded by insufficient sleep/exercise, a poor diet, not enough sun, ...
I experienced the exact same distress, starting at about 18-19. Between my work, (quite intensive physical labour with many, many amazing vibrations to really shake that old carpal up) and my propensity to game and program, my hands were soon becoming unusable. Enter a few years down the road, and my sister informing me that she had a heavy gluten sensitivity that left her swollen (and moody).
A few months later, my aches and pains were becoming lessened, and as it would happen; my inflammation in my joints (as well as most everywhere else) had subsided, resulting in a relatively pain-free experience.
Now I'm not claiming this as a be-all, end all solution, but it may be worth your while to attempt a week or so trial to see if it indeed helps alleviate your issues.
To OP and others experiencing wrist / hand pain: Try exercising your fingers and hands. Bar hanging is great if you can manage it. Dips are wonderful core exercises that also strengthen your hands and arms. Pushups are great all around core strengthening exercises as well as building upper body and arm strength. If you can't manage any of that, then perhaps a finger strengthening exercise would help. I believe most of the pain comes from fatigue, and building strength and stamina with those muscles can lead to less fatigue and pain in the long term.
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I've spoken to several people with severe issues, they were using Datahands as a last resort with some success. They've both started doing ice plunges and both have eliminated their injuries 100%. Dramatic. I was amazed at the results they've experienced.
Look into and try, can't hurt.
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I've spoken to several people with severe issues, they were using Datahands as a last resort with some success. They've both started doing ice plunges and both have eliminated their injuries 100%. Dramatic. I was amazed at the results they've experienced.
Look into and try, can't hurt.
Makes perfect sense that it would work. Most all of the wrist pain I've ever fought with has been assuaged by ice packs when I felt the want to use them.
Was this posted….
I've spoken to several people with severe issues, they were using Datahands as a last resort with some success. They've both started doing ice plunges and both have eliminated their injuries 100%. Dramatic. I was amazed at the results they've experienced.
Look into and try, can't hurt.
Makes perfect sense that it would work. Most all of the wrist pain I've ever fought with has been assuaged by ice packs when I felt the want to use them.
I know how severe their issues were, on the verge of being disabled. And seeing a 99.99% recovery with only ice plunges? Staggering. I'm still blown away by the results after all they've suffered for years.
Was this posted….
I've spoken to several people with severe issues, they were using Datahands as a last resort with some success. They've both started doing ice plunges and both have eliminated their injuries 100%. Dramatic. I was amazed at the results they've experienced.
Look into and try, can't hurt.
Makes perfect sense that it would work. Most all of the wrist pain I've ever fought with has been assuaged by ice packs when I felt the want to use them.
I know how severe their issues were, on the verge of being disabled. And seeing a 99.99% recovery with only ice plunges? Staggering. I'm still blown away by the results after all they've suffered for years.
I know I was very lucky in my diagnosis of having a sensitivity to gluten and dairy (yeah, I get to be one of those unhappy bastards) in that when I was able to (and consequently, when I am able to) stick to the diet (it's hard!) I had no pains anywhere left. I used to wake up in the morning, head to the sink and run the hands under water for 10 minutes before the pain subsided enough to where I'd want to do much of anything. Weather was an absolute *****, now it's all but a mild pang when I have too much dairy in my system.
Was this posted….
I've spoken to several people with severe issues, they were using Datahands as a last resort with some success. They've both started doing ice plunges and both have eliminated their injuries 100%. Dramatic. I was amazed at the results they've experienced.
Look into and try, can't hurt.
Makes perfect sense that it would work. Most all of the wrist pain I've ever fought with has been assuaged by ice packs when I felt the want to use them.
I know how severe their issues were, on the verge of being disabled. And seeing a 99.99% recovery with only ice plunges? Staggering. I'm still blown away by the results after all they've suffered for years.
Was this posted….
I've spoken to several people with severe issues, they were using Datahands as a last resort with some success. They've both started doing ice plunges and both have eliminated their injuries 100%. Dramatic. I was amazed at the results they've experienced.
Look into and try, can't hurt.
Makes perfect sense that it would work. Most all of the wrist pain I've ever fought with has been assuaged by ice packs when I felt the want to use them.
I know how severe their issues were, on the verge of being disabled. And seeing a 99.99% recovery with only ice plunges? Staggering. I'm still blown away by the results after all they've suffered for years.
What was the general method for this? Fill a bucket up with icy water and leave their wrists in there? How long etc? I'm really interested in this
I'm thinking it's similar to sports related inflammation. Ice rubs, ice baths, etc. a little research but something like 5-7 mins in, 5 mins out and repeat 3 times for half hour. (Example) Info should be available?
I'm thinking it's similar to sports related inflammation. Ice rubs, ice baths, etc. a little research but something like 5-7 mins in, 5 mins out and repeat 3 times for half hour. (Example) Info should be available?
Remember, I don't have issue/do therapy. My info is purely secondhand. But if you want to know about icing shoulders from flinging water polo balls at opponents faces, talk to me!
I'm PMing them now.