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Title: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 03 November 2016, 23:12:50
What could possibly happen..


Name it..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 03 November 2016, 23:21:51
When is Election Day?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 03 November 2016, 23:31:17
When is Election Day?
November 8th


But srs, please don't let trump happen.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 00:20:23
With hillary,, honestly,  at best,  i can think of what Wouldn't happen...

But I don't see any pros to it..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 00:26:19
With trump..

We get..

The ultimate TV-show..

Every day, he's gonna be doing funny stuff on the TV // social media.



He'll cut taxes for the rich..  hurray,  we always wanted to be one of those..   Hopefully we all become relatively rich in the 4 years he's in office


If a person is no where near rich,  then it wouldn't matter who they voted for, because neither candidates will do anything for the poor, when has any candidate really responded to the needs of the many..   don't be so optimistic..



At the very least,  I really do believe him, when he says, we're going to bring some jobs back to america..



If you visualize, trump as president,   it's certainly possible that America's credit tanks a bit,   that's good in a way, if we're talking about exports..

If our exports become cheaper,  that's one sure way to bring production back home.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 04 November 2016, 01:34:22
If Trump gets voted into office, they will have to get him tone him down a bit, especially the after-hours twitter stuff haha. I like that he isn't so PC, but he still needs to take a chill pill sometimes.

As far as taxes, the poor are already taxed at a very low rate, but his plan (has to be approved) would mean that people making under 25k a year pay zero.
Hillary called it 'Trump Trickledown Economics" when he suggested lowering the corporate tax rate, but America has the second highest in the world. Trump knows a thing or two (good or bad) about corporate taxes and is a big reason why also I think that he  can bring jobs to America.

The next president will potentially have the power to appoint several Supreme Court justices, that is something I don't want the Clinton in charge of but regardless, there are 3 branches of government for a reason

Will he build the wall? Maybe, but I like the fact Trump will be tough on immigration. As much as I would like to, America cannot save the world in this regard.

While he probably has done some shady stuff, there is no comparison to the Clinton Foundation and all the leaked information that has come forward in the past few weeks. Foreign leaders of Middle-Eastern countries have donated millions to her foundation and not to mention favors for those on Wall Street.

I don't think he is the Second Coming or anything, the bottom line is that Trump better meets my criteria on the big issues than Hillary.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 04 November 2016, 04:43:00
What could possibly happen..
Unlike every thinking man in the Western world outside the USA, Trump does not believe in global warming. He would tear up the Paris treaty... setting back progress ten years. The Paris treaty needs USA to be in to be effective. Not that the treaty was very effective to begin with, requiring only the bare minimum which would satisfy only the most optimistic scenario.

No prominent world leader wants to be associated with Trump. They have too much integrity for that. USA would have little to no political influence in the world - that is not leveraged with military force. That does not bode well.

In the newspaper I read today, I read that a financial institute had calculated that if Trump would win then USA would be in for a long recession much worse than the 2008 financial crisis.

In other words. Trump would be a global catastrophe.
Mass unemployment.  In twenty-thirty years, parts of southern/central USA would be uninhabitable.
Goodbye cheap coffee. Goodbye affordable chocolate. Everyone would have to eat ramen. (...)
Wall against Mexico - what would that help? You are kidding yourself if you think Mexico would be paying a cent for that. More likely, Mexicans in USA would want to move back as soon as the US economy shows signs of weakness (something that the Trump administration probably would spin somehow). USA would invade a South or Central American country to steal their natural resources as a short-term fix for a shortage back home but unlike US' previous wars of conquest this century, people would distrust the propaganda from the spin doctors and morale would be at the bottom.
In a hundred years because of sea-level rise, many coastal towns such as Miami and New Orleans would be no more.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 04 November 2016, 04:45:22
And here I am just waiting for the national legalization of recreational marijuana.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Fri, 04 November 2016, 04:58:55
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 04 November 2016, 06:26:42
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Fiery on Fri, 04 November 2016, 06:32:38
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 04 November 2016, 08:01:29
TP thread
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 09:51:04
What could possibly happen..
Unlike every thinking man in the Western world outside the USA, Trump does not believe in global warming. He would tear up the Paris treaty... setting back progress ten years. The Paris treaty needs USA to be in to be effective. Not that the treaty was very effective to begin with, requiring only the bare minimum which would satisfy only the most optimistic scenario.

No prominent world leader wants to be associated with Trump. They have too much integrity for that. USA would have little to no political influence in the world - that is not leveraged with military force. That does not bode well.

In the newspaper I read today, I read that a financial institute had calculated that if Trump would win then USA would be in for a long recession much worse than the 2008 financial crisis.

In other words. Trump would be a global catastrophe.
Mass unemployment.  In twenty-thirty years, parts of southern/central USA would be uninhabitable.
Goodbye cheap coffee. Goodbye affordable chocolate. Everyone would have to eat ramen. (...)
Wall against Mexico - what would that help? You are kidding yourself if you think Mexico would be paying a cent for that. More likely, Mexicans in USA would want to move back as soon as the US economy shows signs of weakness (something that the Trump administration probably would spin somehow). USA would invade a South or Central American country to steal their natural resources as a short-term fix for a shortage back home but unlike US' previous wars of conquest this century, people would distrust the propaganda from the spin doctors and morale would be at the bottom.
In a hundred years because of sea-level rise, many coastal towns such as Miami and New Orleans would be no more.



Global warming is a community issue..  No one especially not America is willing to fight the fight..

Has anyone stopped driving big cars..  Has anyone stopped buying into the suburbs when they get some cash..  Has anyone ordered less rubbish on amazon.com..



So you see..  the fight on global warming had been a dud from the beginning from the American Perspective..   



-- Prominent world leader associate with Trump..  How does this even matter..   America speaks Dollars,  that language is universal..  Take it or leave it..


--  People seem to think, Recessions are always bad..   The truth is,  the GROWTH of money is actually just inflation..  America has Not truly grown in any productive capacity since the early 2000s..   

---  Ya'll who don't understand money,   let's clue in,  America PRINTS money..  That's it.. it's all just printed,  and that's suppose to be GROWTH,  but it's only a Growth EVER, on PAPER..     Nothing else has changed except we've got more paper...




Global Catastrophe..   More like Global re-balancing..  This is precisely what we need for Long run equality and progress..



Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 04 November 2016, 09:53:18
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 04 November 2016, 09:56:26
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:06:40
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.

Probably because or third parties are often more bat**** crazy.  That and, for some unknown reason, we have created super parties that do not have more unified beliefs.  Our Democratic and Republican parties have enough differing beliefs that we could easily split each of them into at least three or four parties, kind of like most of the rest if the world does.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:57:03
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.

There is so much stupid in this thread (everything that is bad is actually good!) that I'm hesitant to give an actual answer, but here it goes.

Every elected government in the world is eventually made up from two parties. In European Parliamentary systems (which are what most Americans look at when complaining about the us process) there are many parties, but after the election if there is not a majority party there is deal making and compromise made to create a coalition government. In the United States two party system, the brokering of these deals happens before the election. It is incorrect to think of the Democratic or Republican Party as a monolithic party made up of people with narrow interests. They are best thought of as coalitions of groups with some similar interests, and compromise is made to form a platform. This coalition building happens at the primary stage. So if you sat around not paying attention until the general election and wonder why you don't have choices you like, you already missed the boat. If you want to enact real change in the way that people have access to make change in government through voting, you need to work towards primary reform, not the destruction of a two party system. Things like winner take all primaries, caucuses, closed primaries, and other tools are the bigger problem.

Going further, you can see the failures of the GOP in building an effective coalition this election during the primary stage. Some of this was due to bad leadership, some of it is due to bad primary rules. Since Goldwater nearly burnt the whole thing down, the Republican Party has been a coalition of the small government/personal liberty crowd, the strong national defense crowd, the fiscal conservatives, and the social conservatives. As you can see, some of these are in opposition to each other (social conservative vs personal liberty). In the year's gop  primary, you could see different candidates with different priorities and the big failure of the party was never seeking to build any kind of coalition. In fact, everyone was happy to fracture the party further to make their own inflexible stand.

Which does bring us to how Trump fits into all of this. If you look at the rough groups above, which one is he? He's not a small government proponent, not a social conservative, a little for liberties but not that either, not a proponent of a large military reach, and he sure as hell isn't a fiscal conservative. It turns out I didn't list one major group: the white nationalist vote. The GOP for years didn't want to talk about this, and explicitly stated in the 2012 election post-mortem that they needed to pivot away from being the party of white nationalism. It turns out that racism and xeophobia runs deep, and Trump's support is built mostly on white males with limited education and isolationist and exclusionary ideals, and that group is much, much bigger than many had anticipated.

But don't take my word for it, Shakespeare said it all before. If you're complicit in this tragedy, which kind of voter are you? http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/shakespeare-explains-the-2016-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&_r=0&referer=
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 04 November 2016, 11:07:15
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 11:13:23
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.

There is so much stupid in this thread (everything that is bad is actually good!) that I'm hesitant to give an actual answer, but here it goes.

Every elected government in the world is eventually made up from two parties. In European Parliamentary systems (which are what most Americans look at when complaining about the us process) there are many parties, but after the election if there is not a majority party there is deal making and compromise made to create a coalition government. In the United States two party system, the brokering of these deals happens before the election. It is incorrect to think of the Democratic or Republican Party as a monolithic party made up of people with narrow interests. They are best thought of as coalitions of groups with some similar interests, and compromise is made to form a platform. This coalition building happens at the primary stage. So if you sat around not paying attention until the general election and wonder why you don't have choices you like, you already missed the boat. If you want to enact real change in the way that people have access to make change in government through voting, you need to work towards primary reform, not the destruction of a two party system. Things like winner take all primaries, caucuses, closed primaries, and other tools are the bigger problem.

Going further, you can see the failures of the GOP in building an effective coalition this election during the primary stage. Some of this was due to bad leadership, some of it is due to bad primary rules. Since Goldwater nearly burnt the whole thing down, the Republican Party has been a coalition of the small government/personal liberty crowd, the strong national defense crowd, the fiscal conservatives, and the social conservatives. As you can see, some of these are in opposition to each other (social conservative vs personal liberty). In the year's gop  primary, you could see different candidates with different priorities and the big failure of the party was never seeking to build any kind of coalition. In fact, everyone was happy to fracture the party further to make their own inflexible stand.

Which does bring us to how Trump fits into all of this. If you look at the rough groups above, which one is he? He's not a small government proponent, not a social conservative, a little for liberties but not that either, not a proponent of a large military reach, and he sure as hell isn't a fiscal conservative. It turns out I didn't list one major group: the white nationalist vote. The GOP for years didn't want to talk about this, and explicitly stated in the 2012 election post-mortem that they needed to pivot away from being the party of white nationalism. It turns out that racism and xeophobia runs deep, and Trump's support is built mostly on white males with limited education and isolationist and exclusionary ideals, and that group is much, much bigger than many had anticipated.

But don't take my word for it, Shakespeare said it all before. If you're complicit in this tragedy, which kind of voter are you? http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/shakespeare-explains-the-2016-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&_r=0&referer=



I don't understand why you guys are so concerned about democratic ideals or political ideology.


If you are not RICH,  none of those things matter or affect you enough..   And true political efficacy is not at the polls, rather it's traded on wallstreet..



If you even have the time to talk about those things.. you're likely too poor to do anything about them..   The right of way is always PAID for,  never by intellect or discussion.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Fri, 04 November 2016, 11:36:20
I can't help but think that we've been bullied into making one of two bad choices: by the early Republican Trump supporters who allowed him the foothold to climb over better candidates, and Democrat insiders who had already anointed Clinton in the DNC before the primaries. I will reluctantly vote for Trump though it sickens me. My reasons are threefold, two policy related and one visceral.

First, I think it's an effrontery to the Constitution to appoint judges to the SCOTUS who think it's their duty to act as lawmakers. That is the job of the Legislature not activist judges of either ideology. Roe v Wade and the recent Affordable Healthcare decisions are examples of making law under the guise of interpretation and will never be accepted by the whole population because it was legislated by the bench and not by the people. Trump favors the appointment of judges who will interpret the founding documents, not make law.

Second, I'm not comfortable with forfeiting our ranking as a prominent country to be one voice of many in a global government. Whether it's borderless countries or loss of autonomy in world affairs, it's a cheap concession for a country with little to offer and even less to lose. Not so for the US. I'm not blind about the need to adapt and work together but some of the globalist talk I read about is quite unsettling.

And finally, I personally find Mrs. Clinton to be a less than inspiring sight. Some will call me sexist but they'd be mistaken. It's not that she's a woman but rather her style; the way she presents herself. I find little to be inspired by. She cackles when she laughs, her loud rallying shouts appear to be fake or at least forced, and when she is triumphant I just want to wipe that smug look off of her face. You may say I'm being petty but appearance is part of the package that makes a leader. I won't even go into ethical charges levied against her; the same could be said against Trump.

We have two flawed candidates to choose from. In some ways whichever one wins, we still lose.  I hope that whoever does, they find that we will be able to at least give them a chance and not try to sabotage their efforts to improve our nation. I would encourage you to read an article I wrote several weeks ago that speaks to this issue.https://kurplopintheshop.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/blog-post-title/



Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 11:42:03
I can't help but think that we've been bullied into making one of two bad choices: by the early Republican Trump supporters who allowed him the foothold to climb over better candidates, and Democrat insiders who had already anointed Clinton in the DNC before the primaries. I will reluctantly vote for Trump though it sickens me. My reasons are threefold, two policy related and one visceral.

First, I think it's an effrontery to the Constitution to appoint judges to the SCOTUS who think it's their duty to act as lawmakers. That is the job of the Legislature not activist judges of either ideology. Roe v Wade and the recent Affordable Healthcare decisions are examples of making law under the guise of interpretation and will never be accepted by the whole population because it was legislated by the bench and not by the people. Trump favors the appointment of judges who will interpret the founding documents, not make law.

Second, I'm not comfortable with forfeiting our ranking as a prominent country to be one voice of many in a global government. Whether it's borderless countries or loss of autonomy in world affairs, it's a cheap concession for a country with little to offer and even less to lose. Not so for the US. I'm not blind about the need to adapt and work together but some of the globalist talk I read about is quite unsettling.

And finally, I personally find Mrs. Clinton to be a less than inspiring sight. Some will call me sexist but they'd be mistaken. It's not that she's a woman but rather her style; the way she presents herself. I find little to be inspired by. She cackles when she laughs, her loud rallying shouts appear to be fake or at least forced, and when she is triumphant I just want to wipe that smug look off of her face. You may say I'm being petty but appearance is part of the package that makes a leader. I won't even go into ethical charges levied against her; the same could be said against Trump.

We have two flawed candidates to choose from. In some ways whichever one wins, we still lose.  I hope that whoever does, they find that we will be able to at least give them a chance and not try to sabotage their efforts to improve our nation. I would encourage you to read an article I wrote several weeks ago that speaks to this issue.https://kurplopintheshop.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/blog-post-title/





The other conspiracy theory is,

Clinton is actually so powerful,  that She was the one who put Trump next to herself ON PURPOSE, to ensure that she wins..


All the more reason to vote Trump. Let's see what happens..




Buhhh.... on the equality side.

If there was going to be a woman president,  No one else is even close,  and they won't be close for a very long time..   

So...... if we're ever going to get one..  it's going to be her.. ...  in that way,  probably this inner guilt that the republic of male all somewhat share,  is at least assuaged..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:00:42
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.

Probably because or third parties are often more bat**** crazy.  That and, for some unknown reason, we have created super parties that do not have more unified beliefs.  Our Democratic and Republican parties have enough differing beliefs that we could easily split each of them into at least three or four parties, kind of like most of the rest if the world does.
See dancing at the 2016 Libertarian convention. I would have voted for Ron Paul in a second in he was on the ballot.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:06:53
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.

Probably because or third parties are often more bat**** crazy.  That and, for some unknown reason, we have created super parties that do not have more unified beliefs.  Our Democratic and Republican parties have enough differing beliefs that we could easily split each of them into at least three or four parties, kind of like most of the rest if the world does.
See dancing at the 2016 Libertarian convention. I would have voted for Ron Paul in a second in he was on the ballot.

link to video ?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:28:28

First, I think it's an effrontery to the Constitution to appoint judges to the SCOTUS who think it's their duty to act as lawmakers. That is the job of the Legislature not activist judges of either ideology. Roe v Wade and the recent Affordable Healthcare decisions are examples of making law under the guise of interpretation and will never be accepted by the whole population because it was legislated by the bench and not by the people. Trump favors the appointment of judges who will interpret the founding documents, not make law.


You assume that judges like Scalia did not do the same.  I hate the "lawmaker" judge argument since the judges are not acting in that manner, they are treating the Constitution like a living document and make judgement based upon the changing times.  The other side believes that the Constitution is a document stuck in concrete.  Conservative judges are willing to reinterpret the Constitution however they want to until it's something they mostly object to, like gay marriage.  You see the same BS within the Christian right.  The Bible is a living document until they decide there's a group worthy of their hate.  The Bible condemns mixing fabrics, women teaching, women being in church with their heads uncovered, makeup, tattoos, divorce, and so on, but those are all okay because the Bible is a living document.

If Congress disagrees with a court ruling, it is their duty to pass laws to correct the perceived deficiency.  I'd purple disagree, it is their duty to let their representative know and, of necessary, begin the process to add amendments. The court is there to interpret the Constitution.  That does not mean I agree with all their rulings, but I do not see them as activists.

And how can you be so concerned about the Supreme Court when Trump had actively started that he wants to abridge and trample our Constitutional rights, starting with the First Amendment.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:37:03
It's interesting to learn how people justify their vote for Trump and delude themselves into thinking that he is actually focused on anything but himself.  The main reason that individuals are interested in voting for Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

And please, attack me for not holding Hillary to the same standard.  But she has shown that she is willing to listen to advisers, learn from experience, work together with various parties, use all that to make decisions and try to address problems, and take years of constant criticism like a champ.  While egotistical and power hungry.  Trump hasn't done any of that, and will serve himself above all.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:45:14
I can't help but think that we've been bullied into making one of two bad choices: by the early Republican Trump supporters who allowed him the foothold to climb over better candidates, and Democrat insiders who had already anointed Clinton in the DNC before the primaries.

There is no good choice, here.  Just choices and less bad choices.  Orange Hitler, or Grandma Nixon.

Election 2016: A tale of two dumpster fires
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:52:50
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:54:13
It's interesting to learn how people justify their vote for Trump and delude themselves into thinking that he is actually focused on anything but himself.  The main reason that individuals are interested in voting for Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

And please, attack me for not holding Hillary to the same standard.  But she has shown that she is willing to listen to advisers, learn from experience, work together with various parties, use all that to make decisions and try to address problems, and take years of constant criticism like a champ.  While egotistical and power hungry.  Trump hasn't done any of that, and will serve himself above all.


There's no delusion..  Everyone helps themselves.. you don't get to be president by helping others.. if anything Being president requires the most selfish person in the world.   What other person can actually hold onto a position like that..


In that regard, hillary and trump are equally selfish..

That's fine.. 


Selfishness is not a bad thing,  it's a necessity when the game is power..


People like to trash on Trumps experience..  people continously over-estimate the actual job of a president,  they're the head of decision making, but they don't come up with the options.. 

The options presented to the decision maker are all well researched and vetted for major catastrophes, 



Can bad things still happen,  sure they can,   but overall,   the choice of candidate does not alter the risk greatly.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 04 November 2016, 16:30:22
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 18:54:29
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Trump = Best Goat..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 04 November 2016, 19:06:15
Global Catastrophe..   More like Global re-balancing..  This is precisely what we need for Long run equality and progress..
Don't play the idiot. You know better than that.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 19:21:16
Global Catastrophe..   More like Global re-balancing..  This is precisely what we need for Long run equality and progress..
Don't play the idiot. You know better than that.

If you introduce greater uncertainty,  the quality of the bond is reduced..

If our stuff is now cheaper,   we finally get to sell some..


America has been riding on the edge of Computer technology for the longest time.. they can't make it, so they have to buy ours.

But now that everyone else has internet,   this trade is not particularly hard to learn, because all the base facts are already in place for all to see..


given the more strict educational systems of other nations,   complete convergence is not only inevitable but approaching rapidly..




So, we might as well do it sooner, and start rebuilding manufacturing right away..  sooner than later,  america will have to make its own nikes and polo shirts.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 04 November 2016, 19:33:10
I still wonder as to whether or not someone paid Trump to run. I'm a little worried what will happen with global relations after this presidency regardless of who wins--although my gut feeling says we'll do just fine with Hillary as president. Some countries might be hesitant to shake hands but I think a potential post-Trump USA would have more security issues to deal with in the long haul.

I'm not even a third party supporter--I'm one of them Independent aliens of the underworld.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 04 November 2016, 19:35:52
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 04 November 2016, 20:18:46
I still wonder as to whether or not someone paid Trump to run. I'm a little worried what will happen with global relations after this presidency regardless of who wins--although my gut feeling says we'll do just fine with Hillary as president. Some countries might be hesitant to shake hands but I think a potential post-Trump USA would have more security issues to deal with in the long haul.

I'm not even a third party supporter--I'm one of them Independent aliens of the underworld.

I honestly feel like they picked Trump to run because he made other candidates look more sane and reasonable, then it backfired horrifically on the Republican Party officials because they didn't realize how Tea Party/Birther/irrational a larger portion of their base has become.

Honestly, I would vote Bush (sans Cheney who scares the hell out of me) into office again over Hillary or Trump.  That's how terrible I feel the two choices are.  I wouldn't go so far as to vote for Reagan or Kennedy, but I could definitely vote for Bush again.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 04 November 2016, 20:21:53
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 04 November 2016, 20:54:39
The real question isn't "Do you think Hillary will be a good President?"

The question is, "Will Tim Kaine be a good President once Hillary succumbs to her Parkinson's?"

President Tim doesn't exactly roll of the tongue...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 04 November 2016, 21:20:16
The real question isn't "Do you think Hillary will be a good President?"

The question is, "Will Tim Kaine be a good President once Hillary succumbs to her Parkinson's?"

President Tim doesn't exactly roll of the tongue...
All I know about this guy is he really likes to number stuff.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 04 November 2016, 21:31:58
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 04 November 2016, 21:48:55
changed the video source - the other one was heavily edited
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 04 November 2016, 21:52:09
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That first guy is the one that supposedly carries around her Diazepam pen.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 November 2016, 22:00:06
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That first guy is the one that supposedly carries around her Diazepam pen.

so..  what happened in the video,  did she have an anxiety attack ?

what was in the crowd
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 04 November 2016, 22:06:46
changed the video source - the other one was heavily edited

So flustered.  Many bother.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 04 November 2016, 22:13:51
I always love teh_dolan conspiracy theories, they're all so crazy.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 04 November 2016, 23:49:41
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 04 November 2016, 23:56:03
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Sat, 05 November 2016, 09:21:49
You assume that judges like Scalia did not do the same.  I hate the "lawmaker" judge argument since the judges are not acting in that manner, they are treating the Constitution like a living document and make judgement based upon the changing times.  The other side believes that the Constitution is a document stuck in concrete.  Conservative judges are willing to reinterpret the Constitution however they want to until it's something they mostly object to, like gay marriage.  You see the same BS within the Christian right.  The Bible is a living document until they decide there's a group worthy of their hate.  The Bible condemns mixing fabrics, women teaching, women being in church with their heads uncovered, makeup, tattoos, divorce, and so on, but those are all okay because the Bible is a living document.

You're probably right that conservative judges do the same. I probably don't notice it because it isn't called to my attention. We don't tend to notice our weeds spreading into the neighbors yard, only the opposite. That leaves me with the less pure but still legitimate point that I would prefer judges that best represent my worldview.

As for what you call the BS within the Christian right: The simple minded have simple answers and see things as black and white . As we grow and learn we discover the complexity of things, that one size doesn't fit all and our simple pat answers don't necessarily apply in situations we're not familiar with. I could defend church doctrine, explain how Christ fulfilled the law and point by point offer solid explanations for many of the issues you cited but I don't think that was your dominant concern. I think the real point of contention is who has the job of interpreting the rules and who has the job of amending them and how we make the distinction between the two.



If Congress disagrees with a court ruling, it is their duty to pass laws to correct the perceived deficiency.  I'd purple disagree, it is their duty to let their representative know and, of necessary, begin the process to add amendments. The court is there to interpret the Constitution.  That does not mean I agree with all their rulings, but I do not see them as activists.


Isn't that a bit like putting the cart before the horse? Something is wrong, interpret (stretch, change) the law to better work, then have Congress draft a new law that nullifies the one the Court issued; a lengthy process.  Wouldn't it be better to refer the case to Congress to deal with?I can see the temptation the court has to try to quickly fix what's broken but I think they occasionallyoverstep their authority. What ever happened to the balance of power?

And how can you be so concerned about the Supreme Court when Trump had actively started that he wants to abridge and trample our Constitutional rights, starting with the First Amendment.

It's simple. Trump speaks in almost constant hyperbole. As a person who has a love for words, I am constantly offended by his language. I think I heard it put best by Farid Zacharias when he said that Trump isn't a liar, he's a bull****er. We learn that it's necessary to reinterpret most of what he says but it's not too difficult because what he says is so implausible we can't take it for face value. For example, "We're building a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it." means " We are going to take the unlawful immigration problem seriously". I know, it is unthinkable that he made it this far, but as bad as he is I still think the alternative is worse.

It's interesting to learn how people justify their vote for Trump and delude themselves into thinking that he is actually focused on anything but himself.  The main reason that individuals are interested in voting for Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

And please, attack me for not holding Hillary to the same standard.  But she has shown that she is willing to listen to advisers, learn from experience, work together with various parties, use all that to make decisions and try to address problems, and take years of constant criticism like a champ.  While egotistical and power hungry.  Trump hasn't done any of that, and will serve himself above all.

I'm not deluding myself. I do have a strong suspicion that Trump is focused primarily on himself. We do have to justify our positions and mine is that as bad a choice Trump is I think Clinton is a worse choice. Clinton is a much more skilled politician and that has both disadvantage and merit attached to it. I don't think either has demonstrated a standard of ethics worthy of the office. I more closely align myself to the positions Trump states. I question whether he will stick with them but I fear Clinton sticking to hers.

For years, both sides have been bickering, fighting, name-calling and accusing the other side of atrocities that a mirror would reveal in themselves. Trump and Clinton are the bastard offsprings of their illicit affair and now it's our unpleasant task to raise one of them. I admit that I'm voting for Trump mainly because he's not Clinton and am saddened by that.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 05 November 2016, 10:26:28
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

good enough.  also, she cannot be trusted

You trust Trump?  Other than to do what's best for Trump?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 05 November 2016, 10:27:55
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 05 November 2016, 11:56:08

I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwi0sheVoNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwi0sheVoNc)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 05 November 2016, 13:31:38
Maybe many think that Trump's harsh words are mostly hot air. Don't be fooled by that. He is a total a-hole not just in words but in action as well.

Here is a documentary from 2011 about how he bulldozered and bullied locals in Scotland when he was building a luxury golf course there.  It's a long documentary.
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Today, five years later, locals have still not got their running water restored after Trumps' workers had cut it off.

Trump had got special permission to destroy the protected coastline for his golf course because he had promised 6000 jobs. The result became 95 part-time low-pay jobs.

After this there was a petition to the parliament (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003) in the UK to ban Trump from entry into the country. That petition gained far over half a million signatures - more signatures than any petition to the parliament before, but the government turned it down only because they did not find it legal to act in individual cases.

If you Americans elect him, then he will lie for you and destroy things for you as well and then try to excuse it by trashtalking you, just like he did in Aberdeenshire.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 05 November 2016, 13:42:41
Maybe many think that Trump's harsh words are mostly hot air. Don't be fooled by that. He is a total a-hole in action as well.

Here is a documentary from 2011 about how he bulldozered and bullied locals in Scotland when he was building a luxury golf course there. It's a long documentary.
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Today, five years later, they have still not got their running water restored.

After this there was a petition to the parliament (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003) in the UK to ban Trump from entry into the country. That petition gained far over half a million signatures - more signatures than any petition to the parliament before, but the government turned it down only because they did not find it legal to act in individual cases.



Trump will make America Great again...

Bullying is what America is best at.. ..  and one fails to see why you guys are so upset about us winning.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 05 November 2016, 14:24:07
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

good enough.  also, she cannot be trusted

You trust Trump?  Other than to do what's best for Trump?

Conversely, you trust Hillary?  Yes I trust him.  Hillary I trust 0%  I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.

Just like the elections, people don't see the depth of choices they have.

Just because I ask do you trust Trump, the corollary isn't that I trust Hillary.

I don't trust either of them, and you shouldn't either.

But if you do trust Trump, then this should scare you:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-does-donald-trump-really-think-about-using-nuclear-weapons-n655536

https://thinkprogress.org/9-terrifying-things-donald-trump-has-publicly-said-about-nuclear-weapons-99f6290bc32a#.kws5iaz1v
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 05 November 2016, 14:44:30
one fails to see why you guys are so upset about us winning.
*sigh*

That reminds me of discussions of the Iraq war back in the early naughties. USA and a couple of naive allies were invading Iraq to snatch their oil and install a puppet government. In one discussion we managed to persuade an American what it was really about, that it was a criminal act, not related to 9/11 at all and planned a long time ago.
But even though he recognized the US aggression as criminal, against International law, he still persisted to defend his government's wrongful actions with: "To the victors go the spoils".
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 05 November 2016, 15:13:01
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Sat, 05 November 2016, 16:13:55
one fails to see why you guys are so upset about us winning.
*sigh*

That reminds me of discussions of the Iraq war back in the early naughties. USA and a couple of naive allies were invading Iraq to snatch their oil and install a puppet government. In one discussion we managed to persuade an American what it was really about, that it was a criminal act, not related to 9/11 at all and planned a long time ago.
But even though he recognized the US aggression as criminal, against International law, he still persisted to defend his government's wrongful actions with: "To the victors go the spoils".

Overall, the tenor of this is correct; there's a large element of the US population that thinks our might is always right. However, while the Iraq invasion was conducted poorly, there were valid reasons. At the time of 9/11 we had to make extra nice with Saudi Arabia because we maintained multiple bases there. We are finding out now that US officials knew at that time the Saudi government was complicit, but didn't want to go there publically (*this* was likely oil related, not Iraq...). So the public line was WMD and such, but we really, really had to get out of Saudi Arabia. If the USS Cole didn't prove it, and the khobar tower bombing didn't prove it, then the 9/11 attacks did.

So if we (and the coalition at PSAB included France and the UK, which were not naive here) had to leave, why not just go? Well, we had to enforce the no-fly zone from the first gulf war in the 90s. Had to stay as long as Saddam Hussein was in power. So why did we protect Kuwait? Then why did we install Hussein in Iraq, so why did we mess with the leadership of Iran....?

The point being is that the US has backed ourselves into some really bad situations with some overreach of power and rash decision making. I would point to how Obama isn't going all out in Syria as an example of enlightened restraint. I don't imagine enlightened restraint is even in trump's vocabulary...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 05 November 2016, 16:22:31
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 05 November 2016, 16:48:19
However, while the Iraq invasion was conducted poorly, there were valid reasons.
Ends and means... Maybe it was one of several bugs to kill with one stone but I doubt that was the biggest reason.
Most Americans are not aware of PNAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) and if they did they would be outraged. Iraq and Afghanistan were supposed to be springboards for invasions of Iran and Syria.
The no-fly zone could probably have been upheld from Turkey and Kuwait.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 05 November 2016, 17:17:34
Maybe many think that Trump's harsh words are mostly hot air. Don't be fooled by that. He is a total a-hole not just in words but in action as well.

Here is a documentary from 2011 about how he bulldozered and bullied locals in Scotland when he was building a luxury golf course there.  It's a long documentary.
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Today, five years later, locals have still not got their running water restored after Trumps' workers had cut it off.

Trump had got special permission to destroy the protected coastline for his golf course because he had promised 6000 jobs. The result became 95 part-time low-pay jobs.

After this there was a petition to the parliament (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003) in the UK to ban Trump from entry into the country. That petition gained far over half a million signatures - more signatures than any petition to the parliament before, but the government turned it down only because they did not find it legal to act in individual cases.

If you Americans elect him, then he will lie for you and destroy things for you as well and then try to excuse it by trashtalking you, just like he did in Aberdeenshire.

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Sat, 05 November 2016, 20:06:29
However, while the Iraq invasion was conducted poorly, there were valid reasons.
Ends and means... Maybe it was one of several bugs to kill with one stone but I doubt that was the biggest reason.
Most Americans are not aware of PNAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) and if they did they would be outraged. Iraq and Afghanistan were supposed to be springboards for invasions of Iran and Syria.
The no-fly zone could probably have been upheld from Turkey and Kuwait.

Aware of PNAC, not outraged. There's a "think tank" for everything, they write lots of fancy open letters,  and their influence is largely overstated (in concurrence with professor abelson). My comment was not to completely excuse the actions of the US, but only to state that even bad decisions are often more complex than "mah oil",  "being winners" and so on.

The world is in a tenuous position right now. A proxy war amongs superpowers is teetering in the balance, and a nation in deep economic turmoil has invaded and annexed a peninsula of foreign territory. The historically inclined may recall the Spanish civil war and Japan's annexation of manchuria and what came after. It's no secret that the US is quietly setting up in Eastern Europe and the baltics ("exercises" mind you, not officially bases) . A little more secret (but still public) is how often contact is being made in the air and at sea as various nations test the boarders and the force available.

Above the question was asked "what could possibly happen?" and the answer is actually pretty dire. It's substantially more serious than many consider.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 05 November 2016, 20:39:40

Most Americans are not aware of PNAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) and if they did they would be outraged.


Bush Jr/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld and all of those cronies were limp twits who bought their ways out of going to 'Nam, and felt compelled to relive it since it was such a wonderful experience before. And because this time it looked like there was an actual prize to be won.

You could argue that Bill Clinton weaseled his way out, but Al Gore went, and John Kerry too.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 05 November 2016, 20:47:39
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

good enough.  also, she cannot be trusted

You trust Trump?  Other than to do what's best for Trump?

Conversely, you trust Hillary?  Yes I trust him.  Hillary I trust 0%  I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?

Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?

Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 05 November 2016, 20:56:38
I just want this election to be over with, depending on the outcome I can continue living my life as normal or I start digging the fallout shelter in the backyard.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sat, 05 November 2016, 21:03:25
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

good enough.  also, she cannot be trusted

You trust Trump?  Other than to do what's best for Trump?

Conversely, you trust Hillary?  Yes I trust him.  Hillary I trust 0%  I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?

Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?

Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.

But Lyin' Ted and Lil' Marco are kinda cute! Crooked Hillary isn't really a fun one though.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 05 November 2016, 21:30:31
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Sat, 05 November 2016, 21:32:11
I just want this election to be over with, depending on the outcome I can continue living my life as normal or I start digging the fallout shelter in the backyard.

Amen to that
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 05 November 2016, 21:37:45
he has reasons.  calling trump racist is like wtf.  his wife is foreign...

A white slav. If she was black, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, etc, you would have a point, but slavs are notoriously white and xenophobic of non-white people.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 05 November 2016, 21:44:53
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sat, 05 November 2016, 21:49:28
I just want this election to be over with, depending on the outcome I can continue living my life as normal or I start digging the fallout shelter in the backyard.

Amen to that

Regardless of the result, it wouldn't be a bad idea to dig a fallout shelter. Maybe us three can share it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Sat, 05 November 2016, 22:00:49
Conversely, you trust Hillary?  Yes I trust him.  Hillary I trust 0%  I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.

This is the greatest troll post I have ever read.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 05 November 2016, 22:04:36
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Mon, 07 November 2016, 05:23:47
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 07 November 2016, 05:51:24
The real sad thing here is that you lot are going to put into power a woman who consistently lies about doing stuff, then denies she is responsible for ever doing it  ::) .

Nice to see that for some people we are held under a microscope but she walks away smiling and untouched from what she committed under Obama's watch.  Remember that if you think that is fine for any future President to operate in that manner then don't come crying later when she starts something serious and the bodies start being shipped in body bags.

Just remember she will be there still denying any responsibility because it's in her DNA to constantly lie and dodge all questions asked, just see past behaviour as reference.  As the Police always know, that it's a tendency of all sociopaths to always deny their culpability when caught.

Maybe that is the type of person you want to lead you into a 3rd WW but having someone totally out of touch with reality and it's consequences, will ultimately bring serious harm.

You poor Americans are stuck with voting for either a true Sociopath or a Misogynist, God help us ALL.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:11:53
Thank you for appreciating the dilemma we face.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:16:18
Is it bad when your employer basically says expect to be laid off depending on who wins the election? Or even regardless of who wins just to make a political statement.

They should at least give us a paid day off to go vote :eek:

Regardless of the candidate this election is the most disturbing I can remember.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:17:35
2016 has been the worst.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:36:01
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

good enough.  also, she cannot be trusted

You trust Trump?  Other than to do what's best for Trump?

Conversely, you trust Hillary?  Yes I trust him.  Hillary I trust 0%  I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?

Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?

Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.

he has reasons.  calling trump racist is like wtf.  his wife is foreign...

You keep saying that word, racist.  I don't think it means what you think it means.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:54:44
Bunker? I'm game. But I'm not going to buy anyone alcohol. BYOB. >:D
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:56:05
Hillary really wants to be president..

Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.


TRUMP,  on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.


That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure,  because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..




Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Mon, 07 November 2016, 08:43:30
Hillary really wants to be president..

Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.


TRUMP,  on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.


That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure,  because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..




Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 07 November 2016, 09:18:19
Hillary really wants to be president..

Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.


TRUMP,  on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.


That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure,  because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..




Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..



He can continue to run his business but wouldn't his personal spending be dedicated to a presidential salary/expense account for the sake of national security? That might be a humbling experience for someone like Mr. Trump.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 November 2016, 09:21:47
Hillary really wants to be president..

Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.


TRUMP,  on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.


That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure,  because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..




Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..


Video



Hahahahahahahhaha...

Essentially,  when you have all the things that you could possibly have,  despite likely becoming numb to the plight of those with less,   at the very least,  such state imparts a sense objectivity..

That is to say,  the rich man is more LIKELY to make an objective decision, because he is not swayed by time-pressed emotions..



I think this is probably difficult for much of the working class to understand..




When you are hungry,  you see a very narrow picture, because you need to eat...


When you are full, only then can you see outside of oneself..



Now, the job of president,     Hillary is not hungry for food,  but she is hungry for power and Title..   And because of that, she can be bought, she can be manipulated, and she can be pressured..

Trump is not the same,   in that he's just a Good-For-Nothing Rich guy ,  who's having a laugh at being alive..    This is the better choice for president by far..



I hope this explains the previous post ...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 07 November 2016, 09:27:52
Hillary really wants to be president..

Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.


TRUMP,  on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.


That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure,  because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..




Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..


Video



Hahahahahahahhaha...

Essentially,  when you have all the things that you could possibly have,  despite likely becoming numb to the plight of those with less,   at the very least,  such state imparts a sense objectivity..

That is to say,  the rich man is more LIKELY to make an objective decision, because he is not swayed by time-pressed emotions..



I think this is probably difficult for much of the working class to understand..




When you are hungry,  you see a very narrow picture, because you need to eat...


When you are full, only then can you see outside of oneself..



Now, the job of president,     Hillary is not hungry for food,  but she is hungry for power and Title..   And because of that, she can be bought, she can be manipulated, and she can be pressured..

Trump is not the same,   in that he's just a Good-For-Nothing Rich guy ,  who's having a laugh at being alive..    This is the better choice for president by far..



I hope this explains the previous post ...


tp4 just talked about Trump's "objectivity" while implying he isn't swayed by his emotions.

At this point it's pretty fair to say he has watched literally nothing the man has done or said for the past... forever.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 November 2016, 09:33:44

tp4 just talked about Trump's "objectivity" while implying he isn't swayed by his emotions.

At this point it's pretty fair to say he has watched literally nothing the man has done or said for the past... forever.


Hhahahahaha..


What a person says or have done or even personally believe,    has LITTLE to do with being a Functional president..


Again..  the President's job, is to decide between  sets of Researched and Vetted  OPTIONS..

He does NOT AT ALL have the time to come up with or even Understand any of the minute details of the paperwork in front of him..



When Trump gets to be president,  the only part of him that works for america is his Objective decision making..


He's not going to insert,, --free fried chicken--  into the end of any state document..   hahahaha




/// Though Tp4 would personally enjoy such a generous act of true-presidential-ness
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 07 November 2016, 09:41:56
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Mon, 07 November 2016, 10:43:17
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“Trump has shown that our message is healthy, normal and organic — and millions of Americans agree with us,” said Matthew M. Heimbach, a co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network, a white nationalist group that claims to support the interests of working-class whites. It also advocates the separation of the races.

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But Mr. Heimbach added that he and other white nationalists were grateful to Mr. Trump for championing ideas they support.

Source: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-extremist-supporters.html

Not racist, just "dedicated to the preservation of European heritage and identity" amirite? 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 November 2016, 10:48:33
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“Trump has shown that our message is healthy, normal and organic — and millions of Americans agree with us,” said Matthew M. Heimbach, a co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network, a white nationalist group that claims to support the interests of working-class whites. It also advocates the separation of the races.

And

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But Mr. Heimbach added that he and other white nationalists were grateful to Mr. Trump for championing ideas they support.

Source: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-extremist-supporters.html

Not racist, just "dedicated to the preservation of European heritage and identity" amirite? 

And yet Hillary is allowed to hate Jews..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 07 November 2016, 11:05:37
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

good enough.  also, she cannot be trusted

You trust Trump?  Other than to do what's best for Trump?

Conversely, you trust Hillary?  Yes I trust him.  Hillary I trust 0%  I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?

Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?

Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.

he has reasons.  calling trump racist is like wtf.  his wife is foreign...

You keep saying that word, racist.  I don't think it means what you think it means.

I said it one time, the other side will say it forever.  I know how to use a dictionary.

So a white man, marrying a white woman has the proof of not being racist against other races?  Hmmm...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 07 November 2016, 11:22:24
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 07 November 2016, 11:47:43
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.

good enough.  also, she cannot be trusted

You trust Trump?  Other than to do what's best for Trump?

Conversely, you trust Hillary?  Yes I trust him.  Hillary I trust 0%  I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?

Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?

Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.

he has reasons.  calling trump racist is like wtf.  his wife is foreign...

You keep saying that word, racist.  I don't think it means what you think it means.

I said it one time, the other side will say it forever.  I know how to use a dictionary.

So a white man, marrying a white woman has the proof of not being racist against other races?  Hmmm...

so a married white woman to a cheating man has the right to talk about how he treats women?

Nothing quite like a straw man to deflect attention away from your weak argument =)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 07 November 2016, 11:52:31
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 07 November 2016, 12:09:04
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 07 November 2016, 12:22:32
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 07 November 2016, 13:13:25
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Get that backstroke! You got this! ♫ Nobody gonna slow me down, oh no ♫
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 07 November 2016, 14:10:33
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 07 November 2016, 14:38:34
so a married white woman to a cheating man has the right to talk about how he treats women?

In fact... yes.  The two don't equate.  Bill isn't running.  But as someone called you out... it's a straw man.

Quote
he has reasons.  calling trump racist is like wtf.  his wife is foreign...

As I said, both sides suck.  Choose the dumpster fire that you want to try to warm your hands from.  But... yeah.  To say that line, and mean it...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 07 November 2016, 15:46:30
My prediction:

I will not be at all surprised if Trump receives less than 50 million votes,
and I will be very surprised if he receives over 60 million votes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 01:06:37
I think it's today right ?


Everyone ready to Vote Trump ?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Tue, 08 November 2016, 01:26:08
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 08 November 2016, 08:03:24
I wonder how long it will be before trump concedes if Clinton wins?


If he does it within a week I'll be surprised...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 08 November 2016, 08:44:07

I wonder how long it will be before trump concedes if Clinton wins?


If the defeat is decisive, he will probably not want to prolong the agony and/or lose his momentum.

No matter what, his announcement will focus on the launch of his next move, whatever that turns out to be.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 08 November 2016, 08:47:45
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 08 November 2016, 09:28:17
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)

Yeah, I posted it on here yesterday as well. Hey, at least HE didn't have any nukes :/ .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 09:46:01
Germany is still bitter about the 6 billion dollars that the US housing scam cost them..


They're afraid Trump will pull another one on them.. 

I'd say we vote Trump to mess with Germany no ? hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Phirr on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:02:22
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:

Seems kind of asinine. Neither Hitler nor Trump drink either, and maybe Trump even likes dogs as well.

You could just as easily do it the opposite way:

Dear Americans,

Go ahead, vote for the power hungry woman with no conscience, who cares more about foreigners than the safety of her own citizens, will force your country into disadvantageous economic globalism, who claims that only she understands the plight of the oppressed. What could possibly go wrong?

Good luck,

-The People of Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:07:01
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:

Seems kind of asinine. Neither Hitler nor Trump drink either, and maybe Trump even likes dogs as well.

You could just as easily do it the opposite way:

Dear Americans,

Go ahead, vote for the power hungry woman with no conscience, who cares more about foreigners than the safety of her own citizens, will force your country into disadvantageous economic globalism, who claims that only she understands the plight of the oppressed. What could possibly go wrong?

Good luck,

-The People of Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

Trump's the way to go..  /Convinced
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Eszett on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:22:07
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:22:37
and he knows a thing or two about economics.

a country is not a company
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:29:40
and he knows a thing or two about economics.

a country is not a company


Ever hurd of the -- Military Industrial Complex -- ?



The US Dollar is worth,  ---this much----  SAYS WHO ?  Says 78 Trillion dollars worth of I'll KILL YOU...


Okokok.. here's are the BMWs you ordered..

// America..  go make me more cars



There is alot of confusion about how the world works, among the general population...



The US military is approx 78 Trillion Dollars,   but that figure is fundamentally meaningless, because its power and necessity is absolute and unimpeachable..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:40:15
he knows a thing or two about economics.
Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: FLFisherman on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:47:41
If that's your best, your best won't do...

(http://i.imgur.com/my2qchp.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 08 November 2016, 11:11:07
have you voted tp4?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 08 November 2016, 11:46:25
he knows a thing or two about economics.
Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.

I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and  in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: R1N3 on Tue, 08 November 2016, 12:00:14
I wanna live in a bathysphere..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 08 November 2016, 13:07:35
he knows a thing or two about economics.
Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.

I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and  in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Fictiouz on Tue, 08 November 2016, 13:20:53
Canadian here. First time caller, long time listener.

I think this election is a farce and arguing for either side is stupid. They are both ****ty in there own way. I feel bad for everyone who has to vote in this situation.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 13:38:33
he knows a thing or two about economics.
Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.

I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and  in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.

No one is going to build a wall.  He only said that to get press...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 13:42:17
I wanna live in a bathysphere..

Me too R1N3,  Me too..

But I kinda do already when considering i never go outside unless i have to.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 08 November 2016, 13:45:50
I wanna live in a bathysphere..

Me too R1N3,  Me too..

But I kinda do already when considering i never go outside unless i have to.

Bermuda? Hurricanes? No way not me man.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:03:08
he knows a thing or two about economics.
Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.

I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and  in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.

No one is going to build a wall.  He only said that to get press...
That could be said of everything that ever came out of his mouth :p .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:13:59
he knows a thing or two about economics.
Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.

I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and  in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.

As a European, do you have any insight on the 'wall' build on the Hungarian border?

Who knows if The Wall will be built or if it will even be financially feasible. Every candidate says stuff to win votes.

I don't think that illegal aliens should be granted immunity as it truly is unfair to those who try to do it the right way. My Cuban neighbor was granted asylum and it took quite some years to become a citizen as apposed to someone who sneaks in and gets an easy path to citizenship. People who enter the country illegally should not be allowed to vote and the current sanctuary city as well as catch-and-release policies are ridiculous.


I also am apprehensive to support the idea of allowing an influx of Syrian refugees into America, but his blanket TEMPORARY ban on Muslim immigration sounded silly. Proposing an halt to allowing in people countries with a 'history of terrorism' is a bit better.

As much as we would like to help the rest of the World, Americans should be put first.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:38:08
Hillary will win and we'll see another step towards the new cold war :(
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Geroximo on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:47:36
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)



I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:50:56
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)



I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.

Found the guy who's qualified to speak for all of Germany!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:53:59
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:58:13
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)



I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.

Found the guy who's qualified to speak for all of Germany!

You're saying that poster/image speaks for all of Germany?

I'm not sure how you could possibly get that from what I posted.

Sorry strawman82
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 08 November 2016, 15:03:06
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 08 November 2016, 15:09:49
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)



I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.

Found the guy who's qualified to speak for all of Germany!

You're saying that poster/image speaks for all of Germany?

I'm not sure how you could possibly get that from what I posted.

Sorry strawman82

"-the people of Germany"    I underlined it so you know to read it.

Apparently you're the one who is having trouble reading. Let me break it down for you.

Someone posts picture.

Someone else posts "Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany?" in response to the picture.

Then another person posts pretending to speak for all of Germany("We"), in opposition to the picture.

I post the chain to point out how funny it is that someone does that shortly after someone else is mocked for supposedly doing the same.

At no point in this have I said anything relating to the merits of the picture. So, yet again, I say sorry Mr. strawman82.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 15:13:15
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)



I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.

Found the guy who's qualified to speak for all of Germany!

Well,  he's the best we got..  see that Germany under his location... ?

Clearly Qualified..

Vote for Trump. brozz. .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 08 November 2016, 16:18:54
Did he win yet?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 08 November 2016, 16:26:55
Can't you all just call for Bernie?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 16:33:57
Can't you all just call for Bernie?

I told ya'll from the very very beginning that Bernie was an impossibility..   He cares too much for the poor, He is too good of a person,  and he simply doesn't understand the modern economic system..   

This country and all other countries are ran on the Backs of the Poor,  but not By the poor
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:40:28
Worst part of voting besides the choices for president, No Sticker! :eek:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:45:37
Worst part of voting besides the choices for president, No Sticker! :eek:

I'm still salty from donating $50 to Obama in '08--never received my Shepard Fairey hipster shirt :'(

*Insert Obama Joke Of Choice*
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:51:53
Worst part of voting besides the choices for president, No Sticker! :eek:

I'm still salty from donating $50 to Obama in '08--never received my Shepard Fairey hipster shirt :'(

*Insert Obama Joke Of Choice*

:(  It is still very fun to Obamatize yourself.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:57:30
Worst part of voting besides the choices for president, No Sticker! :eek:

I'm still salty from donating $50 to Obama in '08--never received my Shepard Fairey hipster shirt :'(

*Insert Obama Joke Of Choice*

:(  It is still very fun to Obamatize yourself.

I was a bit of a hipster back then haha. I didn't know that was a thing tbh
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Tue, 08 November 2016, 18:44:41
I have to say, the number of /pol/ and r/the_donald denizens who *failed* to vote for trump because they can't be arsed to understand *how* to register and correctly vote is delicious. Mmmm. Sweet, sweet irony.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 19:11:31
I voted for tp4.

A vote for tp4 is a vote for ****posts on every corner, in every shop and for every gril.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 22:40:02
mmmmhmmmmm

....  Tp4::: ///evil laughs.... .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 08 November 2016, 22:55:22
mmmmhmmmmm

....  Tp4::: ///evil laughs.... .


This is quite shocking to me. The way it's looking, he only need is Michigan win to get to 270. It bothers me when I hear people around me say their vote doesn't count. IN FLORIDA YOUR VOTE ALWAYS COUNTS.


So back to the original question:
What could possibly happen..


Name it..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Maave on Tue, 08 November 2016, 23:05:14
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me
The US's voting system favors only the winning party. Many other countries have representative seats based on total votes so that third parties with only 5% or 10% votes will still a small amount of representation. Then those parties can work up and gain popularity later. In the US the third parties with 5% of the vote gets jack squat and never get off the ground - then everybody tows the mainstream party line so that they don't "waste a vote"
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 23:11:54
Guys,  Chillax..   Ya'll shouldn't be worried..  If you Truly believe that Trump is not the man for the job,   that's why we have the electoral college..


Your vote doesn't actually matter, because more than likely,  the election is decided beforehand by the powers behind the throne..



Think, Raytheon, Exxon, General Electric, Lockheed, Boeing..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 08 November 2016, 23:19:13
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me
The US's voting system favors only the winning party. Many other countries have representative seats based on total votes so that third parties with only 5% or 10% votes will still a small amount of representation. Then those parties can work up and gain popularity later. In the US the third parties with 5% of the vote gets jack squat and never get off the ground - then everybody tows the mainstream party line so that they don't "waste a vote"

Not surprisingly, this election has had the highest amount of Third Party votes in 20 years.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 23:23:49
Never bother with 3rd party


It's like when you play Agar.io   The strongest players are clear..   if you partner with any of the bottom top 10, your odds of success is almost 1000:1   vs 80% if partnering with top 1 or 2
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 08 November 2016, 23:29:38
Third party is seems more like a protest vote. It probably cost Hillary a few states too.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 November 2016, 23:32:28
Third party is seems more like a protest vote. It probably cost Hillary a few states too.

Protesting is representative of shortsightedness..

It is far more effective to actively make money ,  then BUY the justice you desire..

Your odds of success, is much higher.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:05:46
get your Trump assassination jokes in now boys and girls
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:11:13
get your Trump assassination jokes in now boys and girls

hahahaha

no way ,  even if he doesn't make any friends in the oval office.. they won't let him die,

That'd be too embarrassing..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Delirious on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:21:16
**** the establishment
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:35:46
I am genuinely disappointed in my country. It is difficult to fathom sharing the same space and value as many of my fellow citizens.
A dark example of a joke taken too far. See, some people are too stupid to understand something is a joke and they run with it.
After that it's all ashes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:42:09
It's over...


can call it now.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:43:02
No. So God help me, they spake not a word
But, like dumb statues or breathing stones,
Stared each on other and looked deadly pale;
Which when I saw, I reprehended them
And asked the mayor what meant this willful silence.
His answer was, the people were not used
To be spoke to but by the recorder.
Then he was urged to tell my tale again:
“Thus saith the duke. Thus hath the duke inferred”—
But nothing spoke in warrant from himself.
When he had done, some followers of mine own,
At the lower end of the hall, hurled up their caps,
And some ten voices cried “God save King Richard!”
And thus I took the vantage of those few.
“Thanks, gentle citizens and friends,” quoth I.
"This general applause and cheerful shout
Argues your wisdoms and your love to Richard"—
And even here brake off, and came away.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:46:22
More
No. So God help me, they spake not a word
But, like dumb statues or breathing stones,
Stared each on other and looked deadly pale;
Which when I saw, I reprehended them
And asked the mayor what meant this willful silence.
His answer was, the people were not used
To be spoke to but by the recorder.
Then he was urged to tell my tale again:
“Thus saith the duke. Thus hath the duke inferred”—
But nothing spoke in warrant from himself.
When he had done, some followers of mine own,
At the lower end of the hall, hurled up their caps,
And some ten voices cried “God save King Richard!”
And thus I took the vantage of those few.
“Thanks, gentle citizens and friends,” quoth I.
"This general applause and cheerful shout
Argues your wisdoms and your love to Richard"—
And even here brake off, and came away.

tl;dr

FTFY
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:48:06
This is a bigger lose for obama than is for hillary..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:52:33
The whole world loses. The biggest loser are the majority of the US citizens.

The only winners are a few extremely rich people who are backing Trump, who will benefit from Trump's tax cuts for the rich.
Trump has no idea how to actually be a politician. He is a tool, was a tool and will always be a tool. This time, a tool for opportunists within the Republic party sphere behind the scenes who will grab the power vacuum created because Trump has no idea what the hell he is actually doing.

The dollar is already dropping rapidly. The stock markets are already in wild turmoil. I expect that this is just the start of a bigger economic crisis than the one in 2008. Mark my words ...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:53:04
More
No. So God help me, they spake not a word
But, like dumb statues or breathing stones,
Stared each on other and looked deadly pale;
Which when I saw, I reprehended them
And asked the mayor what meant this willful silence.
His answer was, the people were not used
To be spoke to but by the recorder.
Then he was urged to tell my tale again:
“Thus saith the duke. Thus hath the duke inferred”—
But nothing spoke in warrant from himself.
When he had done, some followers of mine own,
At the lower end of the hall, hurled up their caps,
And some ten voices cried “God save King Richard!”
And thus I took the vantage of those few.
“Thanks, gentle citizens and friends,” quoth I.
"This general applause and cheerful shout
Argues your wisdoms and your love to Richard"—
And even here brake off, and came away.

tl;dr

FTFY

Aye, this election summed up in two posts. "Here's something thought provoking to consider"

"tl;dr let's make memes and talk about how I feel"
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:53:05
[attach=1][attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:53:43
This is a bigger lose for obama than is for hillary..

Obama ****ing crushed it. No scandles, always dapper, class all the way. It sucks that Obamacare will take healthcare away from millions of people who otherwise couldn't afford it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sek1ne on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:56:12
I think the loss rests squarely on the shoulders of the folks who run the DNC. Their party tried to push a dishonest candidate that was proven to have pushed to scales in her favour during the primaries and then did their best to alienate the people that didn't vote for Hillary during the election.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:56:22
Ironic that a woman lost to a misogynist,  belligerent, womanizer..


// Welp.. back to the bunker..  gotta stock up ..


And everyone who's a bit taken aback,   worry not..   Have faith in the electoral college,  they can reverse this..   There's more show incoming.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 00:59:59
This is a bigger lose for obama than is for hillary..

Obama ****ing crushed it. No scandles, always dapper, class all the way. It sucks that Obamacare will take healthcare away from millions of people who otherwise couldn't afford it.

I don't think Trump will reverse obama care..   because it doesn't cost that much money , and it keeps most people happy..


Even if they go through with a replacement,  it wouldn't be a very different plan..



it's like when Prices are sticky,   ..   if you start giving something away for free,   people will cry bloody murder when you take that away..

I don't see why trump would go through with that.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
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//  Told ya so...   ya'll heard it here first folks.. 

hahahahhahaha
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Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 09 November 2016, 01:51:20
The next four years are gonna be tough
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Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 09 November 2016, 01:52:29
The next four years are gonna be tough



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Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 01:52:59
The next four years are gonna be tough

only if you're poor..

oh wait..

OH NOES... Tp4 forgot he's still p00r... 

ee Gadds
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
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Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 01:57:41
Start shorting the index people..

Can't lose....

/// totally serious...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
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Post by: Spopepro on Wed, 09 November 2016, 02:03:26
Start shorting the index people..

Can't lose....

/// totally serious...


Yeah, too late. Futures markets are closed due to emergency crash provisions. No one will take your short sale.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 02:07:31
Start shorting the index people..

Can't lose....

/// totally serious...


Yeah, too late. Futures markets are closed due to emergency crash provisions. No one will take your short sale.

There are markets other than the US...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: jjanssen1 on Wed, 09 November 2016, 02:28:01
Trump is now president:

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Post by: chyros on Wed, 09 November 2016, 03:08:20
Oh God, Americans, now look what you've done D: .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 09 November 2016, 03:11:59
Get fanpeople to bed 2016
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Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 09 November 2016, 03:16:32
Get fanpeople to bed 2016

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: PollandAkuma on Wed, 09 November 2016, 04:31:58
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Lepidus on Wed, 09 November 2016, 04:42:45
It is SO NICE watching left wing and globalism being crushed everywhere around the world. Its only beginning, guys.

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 04:48:51
This is a bigger lose for obama than is for hillary..

Obama ****ing crushed it. No scandles, always dapper, class all the way. It sucks that Obamacare will take healthcare away from millions of people who otherwise couldn't afford it.

Are you completely deluded in some way?

Obama is known the world over as the Assassination President whilst Bush was known as the Torture President (look it up).

Trust me sunshine, if you bothered to look at other media besides your own blinded/corrupt system Obama did more harm around the globe with his destruction of the Middle east and sponsoring terrorists too numerous to mention here and spending billions/trillions on conducting illegal regime changes around the world, the common folk delivered their decision to finally vote for someone that will stop funding the WAR Machine.

That alone will bring far more stability and of course re-introducing glass steagall to reign in the Wall Street Parasites, which were all protected under Obama (Hillary) and Co.  Also hopefully, getting rid of sanctions which have all proven futile and useless that affects us all globally.

So just wait and see what will happen next but rest assured, Trump is not another YES man (like Obama was) for Wall Street and the War Machine, he is something quite unique in your Country's history.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 04:51:23
It is SO NICE watching left wing and globalism being crushed everywhere around the world. Its only beginning, guys.

Globalisation only helped the RICH not the working/poor.

Even I am happy there has been a sizable swing away from the STATUS-Quo which can only mean a far better future for all People and not only for US Citizens.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 04:57:40
Oh God, Americans, now look what you've done D: .

Hopefully stopped World War Three under Hillary in which she promised to take back Crimea.  She kept promising that whilst traveling from state to state looking for idiots to vote for her.

So glad that for now WW3 has been put on the back burner, so kids everywhere can finally hope for a Future.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 09 November 2016, 05:14:33
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 09 November 2016, 05:19:22
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Post by: Photekq on Wed, 09 November 2016, 05:22:00
It is SO NICE watching left wing and globalism being crushed everywhere around the world. Its only beginning, guys.

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Based weeb
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 08:43:22
///Swishhhh...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 08:50:03
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is that 5am eastern time?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 08:52:51
I would be curious to hear what anyone thinks will be better in the world 3 months or 3 years from now because of this.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 09:05:15
I would be curious to hear what anyone thinks will be better in the world 3 months or 3 years from now because of this.


hahahaha

Bout time fohat.dig start  Listening  hahaha..


Bro, you've been wrong every step of the way.. first bernie, then Hillary, quote <less than 50 million votes>


hahahahaha...  nawhh 's ok..  lots of people were taken aback..




Remember Bush guys..    That is another president who doesn't know anything about Anything..    Yet America was just fine..

What ya'll want to do is  Gold and maybe Bitcoins..   
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 09:08:02
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.

So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?

Neither can I.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 09:11:31
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.

So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?

Neither can I.



Probably nothing much will change..  as for BETTER..

well, what do you consider better..    Because, America already has a lifestyle which exceeds that of everyone else,  paid for by everyone else's money..

So...   Better from already being arguably ,  the best-possible..   where do you go from here..   MORE borrowed money?

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 09:13:23
And the other piece to the American life is that,    You can't realistically make it better on the personal level,  because humans aren't really as complicated as we'd like to think we are..

We eat 3-5 ramens a day,  We take naps, we go wee, we go to bed.. 

Those things have been a conquered and guaranteed in America since the 60s ...



---  now if you're in the camp,  well I want all those things,   and don't want to work at all... hahahaha.. prolly want to invest with DOD robotics..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 09:20:53
Also..  trump should go bald..

There's no reason to have that ridiculous top cover now that he's already won..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Moistgun on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:15:47
Okay Tp, I did it. now what?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:18:44
Okay Tp, I did it. now what?



Now you open a forex account and  trade based on the Certainty of Uncertainty..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:29:51
It's hard to say where we will be in three years. I'm hopeful that, if they are true to their word, several outspoken celebrities will be leaving the country.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:31:47
It's hard to say where we will be in three years. I'm hopeful that, if they are true to their word, several outspoken celebrities will be leaving the country.
Sadly I think they were just 'joking'.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:31:51
It's hard to say where we will be in three years. I'm hopeful that, if they are true to their word, several outspoken celebrities will be leaving the country.

hahaha..

Help me understand celebrity h8 kurplop..  they're so far from the reality you and I reside..   
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:42:05
What bothers me is all of the young people who have never had a job calling for the older folks to die already, because electing someone who was not there choice is somehow ruining their lives....

I want my kids to grow up expecting to have to earn what they want and not expect it to just be given to them.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:47:14
What bothers me is all of the young people who have never had a job calling for the older folks to die already, because electing someone who was not there choice is somehow ruining their lives....

I want my kids to grow up expecting to have to earn what they want and not expect it to just be given to them.



Hahahaha.. Spam..  As an old-fart myself..  I completely understand that perspective..

But,  I don't get mad over it,  because if we're to be realistic,  Kids don't know any better..


Once they hit the 9 to 5 days of their lives..  They'll wake up fast..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:47:57
What bothers me is all of the young people who have never had a job calling for the older folks to die already, because electing someone who was not there choice is somehow ruining their lives....

I want my kids to grow up expecting to have to earn what they want and not expect it to just be given to them.
This is exactly how I feel too... same things hapen even here ...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Geroximo on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:48:03
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:49:06
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Mexico is very dangerous, because of the unchecked criminal enterprise..


Canadians, the worst they got is , idk,  illegal poutine ?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Altis on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:53:30
What bothers me is all of the young people who have never had a job calling for the older folks to die already, because electing someone who was not there choice is somehow ruining their lives....

I want my kids to grow up expecting to have to earn what they want and not expect it to just be given to them.



Hahahaha.. Spam..  As an old-fart myself..  I completely understand that perspective..

But,  I don't get mad over it,  because if we're to be realistic,  Kids don't know any better..


Once they hit the 9 to 5 days of their lives..  They'll wake up fast..

It isn't that they don't know any better... it's that they're taught to be this way at colleges/universities.

It's scary just how far they can be indoctrinated.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:53:33
good job dumbasses
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:56:07
What a ****ing nightmare.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:56:40
good job dumbasses

To be perfectly frank hwood34..

If anything,  this thread cost trump more votes than it could've possibly given ... 


// Not Guilty..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:57:06
Younger people don't want things to just be given to them ray, they want the chance that generations before them had.  Younger generations are ****ed.  There are no manufacturing jobs for them and the blue-collar work force is shrinking as jobs continue to be shipped overseas.  Unskilled jobs and jobs that don't require a degree pay enough for high school students to have spending money and that's about it.  Most end up feeling like their only option is to go to university since almost every job requires a college degree now.  That degree costs them, on average $30k and, when they get it, they're lucky to get a job that pays $25-30k a year before taxes.  Company loyalty doesn't exist anymore and management positions are overloaded with a work force that was supposed to retire years ago.  Their only chance to make more money is to change jobs every 2-3 years.  All the while, they scrap together barely enough to make it by and wonder if they'll ever be able to retire since they can't afford to start retirement planning.  They look at the housing market and many find that they'll probably be renting their whole life because houses are way overpriced, bought by out of country investors and left vacant or to rent, or bought out of speculation to flip.

If you take a sincere look at younger generations, you'd realize how ****ing bleak things look.  It's no wonder the calling for things to be different.

I'm not saying that there aren't entitled *******s in that group, but that there's a high degree of fatalism and wanting to at least have a chance when all they see is a hopeless future.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 10:57:12
What a ****ing nightmare.

hahahaha,,  ok,  but what precisely are you worried about.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 11:00:00
Younger people don't want things to just be given to them ray, they want the chance that generations before then had.  Tinder generations are ****ed.  There are no manufacturing jobs for them and the blue-collar work force is shrinking as jobs continue to be shipped overseas.  Unskilled jobs and jobs that don't require a degree pay enough for high school students to have spending money and that's about it.  Most end up feeling like their only option is to go to university since almost every job requires a college degree now.  That degree costs them, on average $30k and, when they get it, they're lucky to get a job that pays $25-30k a year before taxes.  Company loyalty doesn't exist anymore and management positions are overloaded with a work force that was supposed to retire years ago.  Their only chance to make more money is to change jobs every 2-3 years.  All the while, they scrap together barely enough to make it by and wonder if they'll ever be able to retire since they can't afford to start retirement planning.  They look at the housing market and many find that they'll probably be renting their whole life because houses are way overpriced, bought by out of country investors and left vacant or to rent, or bought out of speculation to flip.

If you take a sincere look at younger generations, you'd realize how ****ing bleak things look.  It's no wonder the calling for things to be different.

I'm not saying that there aren't entitled *******s in that group, but that there's a high degree of fatalism and wanting to at least have a chance when all they see is a hopeless future.



But this is the natural progression on the path of population contraction..   It's not Bleak in the sense that it could've happened any other way..   It's Bleak only in the sense that hey' we're over the golden age hump..

Take a look at Japan,  they're much further into this trend than we are..


You would rather we become communist ?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 09 November 2016, 11:17:16
You always speak to extremes tp.  I could just as easily state that we exist in a state of tacit slavery to corporate oligarchs kept in check with beer and circus and the misguided belief in the American dream.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 11:22:01
You always speak to extremes tp.  I could just as easily state that we exist in a state of tacit slavery to corporate oligarchs kept in check with beer and circus and the misguided belief in the American dream.


You misunderstand me then,   I completely agree with the above statement..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 11:27:41

I could just as easily state that we exist in a state of tacit slavery to corporate oligarchs kept in check with beer and circus and the misguided belief in the American dream.


I would agree with this.

The tragedy is that Trump is a circus performer whose interests align with the parasites who have bled the US dry for the past 35+ years, and his core of support is precisely that group of people who have been devastated by the process. How can they not recognize this obvious fact?

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 11:31:22

I could just as easily state that we exist in a state of tacit slavery to corporate oligarchs kept in check with beer and circus and the misguided belief in the American dream.


I would agree with this.

The tragedy is that Trump is a circus performer whose interests align with the parasites who have bled the US dry for the past 35+ years, and his core of support is precisely that group of people who have been devastated by the process. How can they not recognize this obvious fact?





Any Human-Being placed into the position of power and wealth behave identically..


So, ya'll old guys really need to stop perpetuating the incorrect notion that there 's a CHOICE involved here..

There is no evil or light..


There is no better system of organization , due to the flaws and shortcomings of humanity.. 


It is not a matter of individual will power or belief..




We can only ever envision the idealistic behaviors ,   but to truly put them into action is an affront to our core function as a survival machine..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Wed, 09 November 2016, 11:41:55
Well, this ought to be fun. The last Republican president waged multiple illegal wars, publicly condoned torture and should be tried for crimes against humanity. That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Dr_Alphabet on Wed, 09 November 2016, 11:48:27
I'm more concerned that with trump as president, republican controlled congress will be able to pass some really dumb ****... I highly doubt we'll see him being proactive in legislation.

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:05:36

That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.


He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.

But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:07:16

That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.


He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.

But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
It's a good start, for sure.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:27:21
But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
What.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:37:43

What.


Nobody in America has been willing to loan Trump money for decades (all those bankruptcies, you know).

His own son stated, under oath, a few years ago, that the majority of their investors were Russians.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:46:54
One of the more disturbing aspects of a President Donald Trump is that the supreme court could be a conservative one for a good portion of my life.


Just hold out 4 years Ruth, that's all I ask.  :blank:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:46:56
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:48:40

That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.


He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.

But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
It's a good start, for sure.


This is the story of more than half of the well-offs on wall street..   Not new and quite the norm.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Wed, 09 November 2016, 12:54:48

That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.


He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.

But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
It's a good start, for sure.


This is the story of more than half of the well-offs on wall street..   Not new and quite the norm.
But definitely president material, right?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:06:41

That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.


He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.

But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
It's a good start, for sure.


This is the story of more than half of the well-offs on wall street..   Not new and quite the norm.
But definitely president material, right?


The modern economic system is one large con..  Now we have a fairly battle tested con-artist at the helm..


Seems like it's all coming together nicely.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:11:22
People see the   less than --totally honest-- trades happen and call it a con..   But the reality is, since our economy only approximates real value,   any loss sustained is merely the bursting of its own speculative bubble..


Now, with regards to  people taking more than their fair share..  In the grand scheme,  we're looking up.. but as far as leadership is concerned,    Greed is the cost of organization, and a perpetual inefficiency so long as there are human operators.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:11:51
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:13:43
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.

So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?

Neither can I.

close lol. 

hahahaha..


Also,  Bernie could've never beaten trump..   

Bernie would've won the popular vote,   But he FAILED the RICH MAN's VOTE..   


Before you even get a shot at being voted on by --the little people--   You need to play ball with the Rich ..


THAT is why Bernie never had a chance,  and could've NEVER been president..




Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:14:48
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?

Iri, what's your perspective in the Trump  victory?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:17:24
Had Bernie had a better campaign manager,,  Promise the rich people whatever they want,   then when he's in office,  Enact his communist agenda ..  he's now president,  what are they gonna do..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:33:31
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?

Of course not. But:

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/ (http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/)

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/inside-the-political-and-financial-collusion-between-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin/25393/ (http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/inside-the-political-and-financial-collusion-between-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin/25393/)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:41:42
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.

So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?

Neither can I.

close lol. 

hahahaha..


Also,  Bernie could've never beaten trump..   

Bernie would've won the popular vote,   But he FAILED the RICH MAN's VOTE..   


Before you even get a shot at being voted on by --the little people--   You need to play ball with the Rich ..


THAT is why Bernie never had a chance,  and could've NEVER been president..

:/ but it was the white working class rural population that won Trump the election. They greatly outnumber the amount of rich voters... Also the fact that both Bernie and Trump are anti-establishment (although in polarizing ways) made a lot of Bernie supporters switch to Trump rather than default to Clinton.

Also, Bernie won Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Kansas, Nebraska... if you were watching the election there's a couple states in there that were integral to Trump winning :P

Your comments are always hyperbolizing the situation with little to no context.

I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won. But it's definitely not a "he would NEVER win" thought exercise.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: FLFisherman on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:44:34
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.

So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?

Neither can I.

close lol. 

hahahaha..


Also,  Bernie could've never beaten trump..   

Bernie would've won the popular vote,   But he FAILED the RICH MAN's VOTE..   


Before you even get a shot at being voted on by --the little people--   You need to play ball with the Rich ..


THAT is why Bernie never had a chance,  and could've NEVER been president..

:/ but it was the white working class rural population that won Trump the election. They greatly outnumber the amount of rich voters... Also the fact that both Bernie and Trump are anti-establishment (although in polarizing ways) made a lot of Bernie supporters switch to Trump rather than default to Clinton.

Also, Bernie won Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Kansas, Nebraska... if you were watching the election there's a couple states in there that were integral to Trump winning :P

Your comments are always hyperbolizing the situation with little to no context.

I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won. But it's definitely not a "he would NEVER win" thought exercise.

Also, prior to last night, it was a mostly "he would NEVER win" prediction on Trump's behalf. This truly has been a historic election.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:17:29

I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won.


Clinton was the better candidate against any of the *other* Republicans, but Trump's strengths played directly to her weaknesses.

Bernie was straight-talking, well-liked by everyone, and squeaky-clean. He was the ideal one to pit against Trump.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:18:09
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?

If by mafia you mean super cool guys with lots of money that like to party with hot girls, get wasted and drive specced out ladas then, yes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:24:22

I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won.


Clinton was the better candidate against any of the *other* Republicans, but Trump's strengths played directly to her weaknesses.

Bernie was straight-talking, well-liked by everyone, and squeaky-clean. He was the ideal one to pit against Trump.

I agree completely.

I just prefer not to speak in absolutes as if I know exactly what will happen in any given hypothetical situation. Especially not being as informed as I could be regarding the US political process and people.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:30:15

I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won.


Clinton was the better candidate against any of the *other* Republicans, but Trump's strengths played directly to her weaknesses.

Bernie was straight-talking, well-liked by everyone, and squeaky-clean. He was the ideal one to pit against Trump.

I agree completely.

I just prefer not to speak in absolutes as if I know exactly what will happen in any given hypothetical situation. Especially not being as informed as I could be regarding the US political process and people.

Rich men don't need a vote..  They ,  through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery)  purchase the right of way..


They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..


No sure things,  but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:33:11

Also, prior to last night, it was a mostly "he would NEVER win" prediction on Trump's behalf. This truly has been a historic election.

What would be interesting is if we had a few no faiths..  hahahahaha


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:37:58

Rich men don't need a vote..  They ,  through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery)  purchase the right of way..


They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..


No sure things,  but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.

I'm sorry but what you are saying is just not accurate. Trump paid 63% less per electoral vote than Clinton... and it's the first time in a long time that the presidential candidate who spent the most money did not win. Campaign Support (AKA bribery) as per your definition should be used in an argument that Clinton should have won, if anything. Not the other way around.

(https://i.redd.it/1an5yis0blwx.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:42:40

Rich men don't need a vote..  They ,  through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery)  purchase the right of way..


They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..


No sure things,  but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.

I'm sorry but what you are saying is just not accurate. Trump paid 63% less per electoral vote than Clinton... and it's the first time in a long time that the presidential candidate who spent the most money did not win. Campaign Support (AKA bribery) as per your definition should be used in an argument that Clinton should have won, if anything. Not the other way around.

Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/1an5yis0blwx.jpg)


hahaha..

If you're assuming the capitalists only bribed ONE person, the candidate..

But that was not what I stated.

My point had been , that the wealthy Compels the result they desire through Appropriations towards the SYSTEM as a whole..


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:45:44
Just watched the concession speech..

What a load of scripted drivel...


Why not just say,  fffyou trump, GO DIE..  hahahahhahahaha  if you pay close attention to her facial responses,  that was clearly the real message behind her words...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:48:30

Rich men don't need a vote..  They ,  through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery)  purchase the right of way..


They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..


No sure things,  but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.

I'm sorry but what you are saying is just not accurate. Trump paid 63% less per electoral vote than Clinton... and it's the first time in a long time that the presidential candidate who spent the most money did not win. Campaign Support (AKA bribery) as per your definition should be used in an argument that Clinton should have won, if anything. Not the other way around.

Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/1an5yis0blwx.jpg)


hahaha..

If you're assuming the capitalists only bribed ONE person, the candidate..

But that was not what I stated.

My point had been , that the wealthy Compels the result they desire through Appropriations towards the SYSTEM as a whole..

I think I am starting to see where you're coming from, but boy is it hard to tease a clear and comprehensible comment out of you :P

It would be much stronger if you continued to supplement your arguments with facts following your number of ellipses.......

"Appropriations towards the system as a whole" is quite a broad statement - if you want to have an effect on changing my perspective in an argument it would be greatly beneficial if you followed up with some concrete examples of what you are suggesting!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:57:59

Rich men don't need a vote..  They ,  through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery)  purchase the right of way..


They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..


No sure things,  but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.

I'm sorry but what you are saying is just not accurate. Trump paid 63% less per electoral vote than Clinton... and it's the first time in a long time that the presidential candidate who spent the most money did not win. Campaign Support (AKA bribery) as per your definition should be used in an argument that Clinton should have won, if anything. Not the other way around.

Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/1an5yis0blwx.jpg)


hahaha..

If you're assuming the capitalists only bribed ONE person, the candidate..

But that was not what I stated.

My point had been , that the wealthy Compels the result they desire through Appropriations towards the SYSTEM as a whole..

I think I am starting to see where you're coming from, but boy is it hard to tease a clear and comprehensible comment out of you :P

It would be much stronger if you continued to supplement your arguments with facts following your number of ellipses.......

"Appropriations towards the system as a whole" is quite a broad statement - if you want to have an effect on changing my perspective in an argument it would be greatly beneficial if you followed up with some concrete examples of what you are suggesting!

Hahahahha..

I can not change your perspective if you are not already receptive to that change..

That is the identical dilemma facing all advertisement, be it political or consumer..



Money isn't the thing you eat,   Money is the voice of humanity..  its greater accumulations represent an exchange and focusing of TRUST..


You and I give our trust to the businessman,  buying what they sell,  THEY in turn use that to buy whatever makes it easier for them to Deliver what We may continuously want to buy..


This chain is far more representative of the world,  then the act of voting itself..   A vote means so little.   The People having a vote in the first place was merely a compromise to make the sheep feel at ease about their leaders.. 


The founding fathers never truly believed that  the goat herders could make any political decision so far out of his field of knowledge..






Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 09 November 2016, 15:15:07
The numb shock is finally giving way to nervous apprehension and stomach queasiness.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 November 2016, 15:17:06
Hahahahha..

I can not change your perspective if you are not already receptive to that change..

That is the identical dilemma facing all advertisement, be it political or consumer..


Money isn't the thing you eat,   Money is the voice of humanity..  its greater accumulations represent an exchange and focusing of TRUST..


You and I give our trust to the businessman,  buying what they sell,  THEY in turn use that to buy whatever makes it easier for them to Deliver what We may continuously want to buy..


This chain is far more representative of the world,  then the act of voting itself..   A vote means so little.   The People having a vote in the first place was merely a compromise to make the sheep feel at ease about their leaders..

I think my comment reflects that I am open to change, and I absolutely have changed my mind about many things throughout my life. It just takes more to change my opinion than simply someone else's opinion. I like to see facts, context, some sense of analysis. Best example I can provide is - if we were in an academic debating competition, there is a certain way of providing arguments that are more effective than others. Please don't assume that I'm closed minded just because I disagree with you sometimes.

And thanks for providing more information in your last post! Don't get me wrong...I don't feel like your ideas or arguments are "wrong" at all. It's just that you don't flesh them out enough for me to take them seriously (or even enough for me to fully comprehend what it is you are saying), if that makes any sense.

And I don't mean this offensively in any way, I hope you understand. I am a fan of constructive discourse. That's all :)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 15:22:27
The numb shock is finally giving way to nervous apprehension and stomach queasiness.

Did you watch Trump's victory speech?

There's that kid to his left,  his whole facial expression speaks,  oh god, i just wanna be home playing xbox.. why am i even here..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 09 November 2016, 15:25:38
The numb shock is finally giving way to nervous apprehension and stomach queasiness.

I'm already doing some tasks the way I did then back when Bush was president. I'm no longer counting the number of times I press the trigger on the air freshener. WTF is happening :confused: My old dgaf habits are coming back

The numb shock is finally giving way to nervous apprehension and stomach queasiness.

Did you watch Trump's victory speech?

There's that kid to his left,  his whole facial expression speaks,  oh god, i just wanna be home playing xbox.. why am i even here..

Get Barron to bed 2016
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 09 November 2016, 17:06:08
Worth posting again: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius

And the follow up: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152955248046/i-answer-your-questions-about-predicting-president
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 09 November 2016, 17:19:04
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/high-school-students-protest-trump-win/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=30988700 (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/high-school-students-protest-trump-win/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=30988700)

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Berkeley Unified School District spokesman Charles Burress said about 1,500 Berkeley High School students participated in their protest that began around 8:20 a.m., just as classes were getting underway at the school at 1980 Allston Way.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 09 November 2016, 17:28:27
twin towers is now the 2nd worst event on 9/11
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Wed, 09 November 2016, 17:33:11
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?

Of course not. But:

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/ (http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/)

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/inside-the-political-and-financial-collusion-between-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin/25393/ (http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/inside-the-political-and-financial-collusion-between-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin/25393/)
OK. I read the first article and 3-4 articles it refers to and now I feel like a night-car driver at the end of a shift. It was painful. Since "Trump has connections to Russia" repeated in each paragraph wasn't useful to me, I searched for facts, and what I found:

1) In the past, Trump's campaign runner was helping a Russian oligarch, who may have links to organized crime;

2) Trump’s foreign policy advisor has business ties to a perfectly legal company in Russia;

3) Another Trump foreign policy advisor once ate at a Russia Today banquet;

4) There was a lawsuit that claimed that the business group Bayrock, underpinning Trump Soho was supported by criminal Russian financial interests, and Trump had no idea about that.

5) Somewhere (where?) Times reported that Bayrock is connected to an Israeli billionaire once charged in a corruption case involving fees paid by a Belgian company seeking business in Kazakhstan; that case was settled with no admission of guilt. What does it have to do will all this? Said billionaire holds a Kazakh citizenship, and for Times, apparently, Kazakhstan = Russia.

6) Bayrock’s finance chief alleged that a primary source of funding for Trump’s big projects with Bayrock arrived “magically” from sources in Russia and Kazakhstan.

7) When Trump built a tower in Panama, his clients were wealthy Russians.

8) Trump’s first real estate venture in Toronto, Canada, was a partnership with two Russian-Canadian entrepreneurs.

9) A number of years ago Trump bought a house in Palm Beach for $40 million and sold it to a Russian for $100 million including brokerage commissions.

Wow! So connections! Much mafia!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Wed, 09 November 2016, 17:36:52
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?

Iri, what's your perspective in the Trump  victory?
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Wed, 09 November 2016, 17:39:34
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/high-school-students-protest-trump-win/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=30988700 (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/high-school-students-protest-trump-win/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=30988700)

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Berkeley Unified School District spokesman Charles Burress said about 1,500 Berkeley High School students participated in their protest that began around 8:20 a.m., just as classes were getting underway at the school at 1980 Allston Way.

Way back when the local school district swapped the school times of high school and middle school there were many students that walked out in protest. Something decided by board members made a change that effected them directly. I understand these students didn't like the outcome, but why protest something that was decided by then whole country? Nobody in their school system or even the state can change the result.

And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?

Iri, what's your perspective in the Trump  victory?
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.

I watched the Putin's press conference and the main thing I got out of it was that he sure wanted those sanctions lifted.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 18:04:11
I watched the Putin's press conference and the main thing I got out of it was that he sure wanted those sanctions lifted.

Sanctions stifle FREE trade that America was so delighted about but now even during the so-called Globalisation effort it's far more restrictive than in the 1980's.

Free trade is exactly that, no more punishing and conducting wars upon people because Washington doesn't like who was elected in another country on the other side of the GLOBE.  Time for America to finally grow up and do exactly what China has done, conduct business everywhere on every continent.  Business that don't involve funding of heinous terrorist regimes or giving money/weapons to future ISIS monstrosities. They don't care who is in power or what your religion is all that matters is that you as an independent country sort out any political events all by yourselves.

To me China has shown far more maturity that the US has done for the past century.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 18:21:17
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.

I have one and I am not a Russian backer nor a supporter in any way.

But I've seen where this was heading under the Democratic party, the demonisation of Russia and their people which was always promoted through all the mainstream media.  The same procedure they had done on Iraq against Saddam and his people as well as against Gaddafi and we all know what happened next.  Considering the US and it's Allies went into war against Iraq due to having so-called "Weapons of Mass Destruction", remember that infamous line in all the media.

Although this time instead of highlighting basic facts that Russia actually has numerous world ending weapons at their disposal, the current regime under Obama ignored that vital fact, trying to take over Russia isn't going to be like Iraq or Libya.  So I was more scared of the demented Obama Camp thinking they possibly win a nuclear war against Russia, no kidding they actually tried to create a situation in either Syria or Crimea to start this monumental catastrophe.

So in hindsite when all the Clinton supporters realised how close they were to losing everything, Trump is a far lesser evil than what has currently sat in the Whitehouse for more than 8 years.  You will get future history written about this so pay attention to the facts that shall be listed, you will find how close you all were to the end.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 November 2016, 18:33:08
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.

I have one and I am not a Russian backer nor a supporter in any way.

But I've seen where this was heading under the Democratic party, the demonisation of Russia and their people which was always promoted through all the mainstream media.  The same procedure they had done on Iraq against Saddam and his people as well as against Gaddafi and we all know what happened next.  Considering the US and it's Allies went into war against Iraq due to having so-called "Weapons of Mass Destruction", remember that infamous line in all the media.

Although this time instead of highlighting basic facts that Russia actually has numerous world ending weapons at their disposal, the current regime under Obama ignored that vital fact, trying to take over Russia isn't going to be like Iraq or Libya.  So I was more scared of the demented Obama Camp thinking they possibly win a nuclear war against Russia, no kidding they actually tried to create a situation in either Syria or Crimea to start this monumental catastrophe.

So in hindsite when all the Clinton supporters realised how close they were to losing everything, Trump is a far lesser evil than what has currently sat in the Whitehouse for more than 8 years.  You will get future history written about this so pay attention to the facts that shall be listed, you will find how close you all were to the end.

wahhhhhhhhhh... hahahaha  that's speculative ....


No one wins a nuclear war right ?

No country will go that far..


The pressure that Washington puts on the world is Always financial..


Even the little wars we start..  it is either designed to bankrupt our opponents directly,  or the region which cause local financial political cascade..



Close to nuclear war... no way...   humans are just not THAT stupid...   that stuff gets everywhere and doesn't cleanup for 100 years. and the high yield probably 200-300 years..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 20:21:49
The pressure that Washington puts on the world is Always financial..


Even the little wars we start..  it is either designed to bankrupt our opponents directly,  or the region which cause local financial political cascade..



Close to nuclear war... no way...   humans are just not THAT stupid...   that stuff gets everywhere and doesn't cleanup for 100 years. and the high yield probably 200-300 years..

According to your mainstream media or your own belief system?

Step one, ISIS only developed under which President - Obama, the travesty and destruction in the Middle East after Bush's Iraq invasion, again Obama.  Whole sale support via weapons and money again Obama, so your conclusion that YOU don't get involved with crimes against humanity doesn't hold here at all.  Since all of these atrocities happened under Obama's watch and support it's nice to live in a fantasy world where destroying whole countries won't have any long term consequences for you.

Step Two - 9/11 was the prime example of the Saudi's paying their supporters to harm the US, Obama thought long and hard to stop publishing the investigation conducted by the FBI on who was truly responsible for that event.  Obama even tried to ban US citizens from taking the Saudi's to court for compensation, yet the senate through out his disgusting veto and joined together (for the first time in years) to overthrow his objection.

Hence the US people got to see in full Obama's contempt of them by trying to cover up all the details of the 9/11 disaster.  It clearly showed who was responsible with funding terrorists in this world and having the right to hold them responsible in a Court (very important).  This is something Obama and his clown posse dreaded so much because if the Saudi's can be taken into court so can he be held responsible in the future by any nation who suffered under his rule.

Obama also funded a huge Drone System worth Billions of dollars from US citizen's, taxes funding his exploration into bombing people and villages throughout Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq. He was so proud that he became the first President who openly cheered on the killing of various people on the globe that included whole families which included women and children, that never deterred him in any way.

Also Hillary went on her crusade of demonizing Russia and that Putin has to be stopped by taking back Crimea, she was quoted on many occasions repeating that very same statement.  So now if she won you can bet loading up her ships to invade Crimea on Russia's doorstep wouldn't lead to a nuclear confrontation, where have you been living?  This was on the brink like Cuba's Missile crisis and you lot didn't seem to care or know about it, hoping it was some kind of Steven Segal sad script or a another Schwarzenegger Epic?

Your main stream media continues to fill your world with the English Royals and Kardassian travesties but the REAL World knows what is going on, maybe we are not as blinded by your own media when it comes to knowing exactly what is happening around the globe these days.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 November 2016, 20:33:29
I disagree strongly with your interpretation.

Obama has done a reasonable job of cleaning up the impossible and intractable mess that Bush Jr left him.

And although I have no love for Russia whatsoever, and Putin in particular, it seems that the Crimea belongs to Russia at least as much as it belongs to Ukraine.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 20:50:39
And although I have no love for Russia whatsoever, and Putin in particular, it seems that the Crimea belongs to Russia at least as much as it belongs to Ukraine.

First your ignorance is truly astounding here.

Crimea was first annexed in 1783 – Crimea was absorbed by Russia and recognized the rights of the Russian nobility for all the noble families of the Khanate. Russia built the cities of Sevastopol as the center of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and Simferopol (1784) as the center of the Tauride province.  Thanks to the Russian Tzar, nothing to do with the Communists in the future.

So by the time Crimea had been filled with Russians over that time period who loved their homeland and wanted to maintain that relationship with trade and cultural traditions.  The Kiev Nazi's in 2014 being aided by the US Government (again Obama) to sponsor a break away republic is fine BUT they decided to destroy those on the Eastern edge of Ukraine, not allowing them to choose their own future.  Notice all the bombing which has constantly been from the Western Side of Ukraine helps to illustrate the reality for those poor people suffering in the Donbass region.

So before you start embarrassing yourself with only listening to the CNN media releases, under stand what is happening there first before choosing sides.  Ukraine wanted to choose their destiny BUT the Kiev Nazi's denied them that luxury and instead would rather destroy everyone in that region.  Still happening now but your media thinks the trials and tribulations of the Kardassians is more important.
Why the U.S. Government Aided a Coup Led by Neo-Nazis ... (http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-aided-a-coup-led-by-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/5371940)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 November 2016, 20:58:47
Obama has done a reasonable job of cleaning up the impossible and intractable mess that Bush Jr left him.

Obama made it FAR, far worse.  Sponsoring terrorists (Al qaeda which lead to 9/11 and ISIS) will only lead to further blood shed so yes, he really cleaned up in the ignorant-person stakes.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/08/jabhat-al-nusra-sever-al-qaeda-focus-local-syria.html
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Wed, 09 November 2016, 21:00:31
Are you not entertained?  :)

the whole "not my President" thing.... ummm yes yes he is... in fairness you saw this with opponents of Obama certainly and probably every president....

I like to watch NHK world and every single day they have 1/2 dozen stories about people on Okinawa complaining about the U.S. bases.... so what do I see on NHK World today 3 minutes after turning it on???   People on Okinawa worrying and hand wringing over whether Trump would close some of the bases...  as it would cost them customers...

I kind of doubt the next four years are going to be boring???

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 09 November 2016, 21:27:55
Trump rolls a 20!
Freedom increases by 155%!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Dongulator on Wed, 09 November 2016, 21:36:43
What could possibly happen..


Name it..

dunno, I don't vote.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 09 November 2016, 21:44:17
Trump is exactly the stereotype the rest of the world has about Americans.
This is like electing Mammy the head of the NAACP, it's just going to make us all look like orange boorish loud **** grabbing racist morons.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 09 November 2016, 23:09:45
Trump is exactly the stereotype the rest of the world has about Americans.
This is like electing Mammy the head of the NAACP, it's just going to make us all look like orange boorish loud **** grabbing racist morons.

I actually hold the oppisite steriotype in my mind.... the safespace dwelling millenial that cant handle opinions different to their own, but yell and scream in the name of non-traditional racist ideology
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 09 November 2016, 23:16:12
I'm an SJW, so watching all my friends break down has been a bit of an experience.

Personally, if the US made it through Reagan, we can make it through Trump. I'm not especially worried, but I'm not really pleased either. That's politics, I guess.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 09 November 2016, 23:34:06
Yeah, you are right I suppose. The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.

I guess whatever **** it
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 10 November 2016, 01:54:05
I'm an SJW, so watching all my friends break down has been a bit of an experience.

Personally, if the US made it through Reagan, we can make it through Trump. I'm not especially worried, but I'm not really pleased either. That's politics, I guess.

I don't really feel like the Trump / Reagan comparison is fair

This is like Reagan with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and low intelligence
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 November 2016, 02:31:29
I'm an SJW, so watching all my friends break down has been a bit of an experience.

Personally, if the US made it through Reagan, we can make it through Trump. I'm not especially worried, but I'm not really pleased either. That's politics, I guess.

I don't really feel like the Trump / Reagan comparison is fair

This is like Reagan with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and low intelligence

People keep saying Trump is stupid.. 

I think he's probably just done too many drugs and it's slowed his demeanor..


EVEN if he is dim..  at his age,  How much dumber can he be vs the average crowd.  old people have seen enough to not make the obvious mistakes..   

Any old person would make a decent president..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 10 November 2016, 03:20:46
If you were a bernie supporter in the primaries but voted trump, I think you are a moron.


Trump stands against literally 99% of the things Sanders stood for, and yet someone votes for him purely on the fact of being anti establishment? That's complete nonsense.



You can't call your self a progressive if you vote for a man like Donald Trump, he is the antithesis of a progressive and a real danger to important supreme court rulings with his possible picks, that could be more than just one pick.


Kiss most of the groundwork of the ACA goodbye, that **** is gone.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 November 2016, 03:32:07
If you were a bernie supporter in the primaries but voted trump, I think you are a moron.


Trump stands against literally 99% of the things Sanders stood for, and yet someone votes for him purely on the fact of being anti establishment? That's complete nonsense.



You can't call your self a progressive if you vote for a man like Donald Trump, he is the antithesis of a progressive and a real danger to important supreme court rulings with his possible picks, that could be more than just one pick.


Kiss most of the groundwork of the ACA goodbye, that **** is gone.




I don't think anyone did that air tree.. hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 10 November 2016, 04:50:48
Everyone please remember that we are all entitled to a safe space and that words can hurt........... Tp looking at you.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 10 November 2016, 05:31:12
If you were a bernie supporter in the primaries but voted trump, I think you are a moron.


Trump stands against literally 99% of the things Sanders stood for, and yet someone votes for him purely on the fact of being anti establishment? That's complete nonsense.



You can't call your self a progressive if you vote for a man like Donald Trump, he is the antithesis of a progressive and a real danger to important supreme court rulings with his possible picks, that could be more than just one pick.


Kiss most of the groundwork of the ACA goodbye, that **** is gone.




I don't think anyone did that air tree.. hahahahahaha
I'm sure some did, maybe not a huge percentage, but some did.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 10 November 2016, 05:48:17
Everyone please remember that we are all entitled to a safe space and that words can hurt........... Tp looking at you.

Just the people here needing to vent especially those that worship Hillary  ;D .

Only realized recently how much she (Clinton Clan) was hated within American society.  She thought that she had 100% entitlement for being President but the people of the United States thought otherwise.  In fact anyone who stood against her would of been chosen to be President not just Trump.

In the end she got what she deserved, the complete arrogant attitude of denying that anything was wrong within the American Dream, instead always paying others to promote her constantly 24/7 but she didn't bother to acknowledge that the poor located inside of America the ones who lost their jobs, the ones with no future whatsoever hence she got that quite predictable result.  Remember when you deny someone an opportunity they will come back to deliver their vengeance which is a single vote.  Millions combined together finished her chances for ever being President, it's as simple and as just as that.

Needless to say, I picked up my winnings today from my Bookie, it's a nice clean sweep so I'll be out on the town tonight raising a glass to Trumpie, the horse everyone swore would never win  :thumb: .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 10 November 2016, 06:04:16
You do realise trump has a lower approval rating? And she won the popular vote.


So the people favoured her overall as the president, but the electoral college is what we have and we have to accept that.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 10 November 2016, 06:06:45


The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.

I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 10 November 2016, 06:15:48
You do realise trump has a lower approval rating? And she won the popular vote.


So the people favoured her overall as the president, but the electoral college is what we have and we have to accept that.

Have they finished counting? Some news sites are saying she won popular vote, some of the trackers appear to still be going as if they were still counting certain areas?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 10 November 2016, 06:45:24
You do realise trump has a lower approval rating? And she won the popular vote.


So the people favoured her overall as the president, but the electoral college is what we have and we have to accept that.

Have they finished counting? Some news sites are saying she won popular vote, some of the trackers appear to still be going as if they were still counting certain areas?
To me ~200 thousand out of ~120 million is within the margin of error considering you always hear about dead people voting and mailed ballots showing up late so who really knows.

Congress will certify the election results in January before the inauguration.

And just for fun

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Thu, 10 November 2016, 07:06:18
Yes yes, probably a whole three people will actually move to Canada because of Trump.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Thu, 10 November 2016, 07:31:57
I like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Thu, 10 November 2016, 07:58:19
I like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .
A **** tries to avoid being grabbed by Trump:

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 10 November 2016, 09:40:37
You do realise trump has a lower approval rating? And she won the popular vote.


So the people favoured her overall as the president, but the electoral college is what we have and we have to accept that.

Have they finished counting? Some news sites are saying she won popular vote, some of the trackers appear to still be going as if they were still counting certain areas?
To me ~200 thousand out of ~120 million is within the margin of error considering you always hear about dead people voting and mailed ballots showing up late so who really knows.

Congress will certify the election results in January before the inauguration.

And just for fun

Show Image
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You always hear about dead people voting, but that doesn't mean it's actually true.


Most documented research on that shows that voter fraud is very rare in the united states.



And most of the states left that have enough population to matter are democratic strongholds, like california.

The NYT estimates that she will end up 1.2 points up on the popular vote when all votes are accounted for.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 November 2016, 10:58:55
I like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .



Trump is doing EVERYTHING a successful man is  suppose to be doing..

He's Promiscuous,   (fff b*tches)

He's Ruthless, (heartless), (psychopathic), (make money)

ANd here, He came out ontop in the end..


--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--




All of these attributes are historically those found among the most powerful leaders (dictators)..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:36:06
I like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .



Trump is doing EVERYTHING a successful man is  suppose to be doing..

He's Promiscuous,   (fff b*tches)

He's Ruthless, (heartless), (psychopathic), (make money)

ANd here, He came out ontop in the end..


--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--




All of these attributes are historically those found among the most powerful leaders (dictators)..


You're making my point very well :p . Remind me, how exactly is any of this an advantage? :p
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:43:26
I like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .



Trump is doing EVERYTHING a successful man is  suppose to be doing..

He's Promiscuous,   (fff b*tches)

He's Ruthless, (heartless), (psychopathic), (make money)

ANd here, He came out ontop in the end..


--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--




All of these attributes are historically those found among the most powerful leaders (dictators)..


You're making my point very well :p . Remind me, how exactly is any of this an advantage? :p



And how are they disadvantages..    ALL leaders have these qualities..


Which King of old Didn't have a wife and 10 mistresses..

 Which King of old DIDN"T kill a bunch of innocent people to get where he's at..



This is the way of Humans..   Not a shortcoming..  simply the cost of being a Ruler.. it's always , always been dastardly business.

I think the modern young guys, even some old ones, believe the world has changed, or is different than what it actually is,  it's no sanctuary, it's a battlefield, there's no cuddling.. cuddling is what gets you killed..




Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:48:58
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:50:08
anyone watching the president and president-elect after meeting speech?  The amount of shutters flopping down, holy ****.

//Linkzzz bro..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:51:01
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:52:10
anyone watching the president and president-elect after meeting speech?  The amount of shutters flopping down, holy ****.

//Linkzzz bro..

was just on tv


Tp4 doesn't haz tv.. 

nawh just kidding.. just lazy and not going to turn on tv.  guess i haz to wait until it comes on utube.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 10 November 2016, 17:39:44
--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--


You bet, like Clinton (Slick-Willie) - I will arrange to have a dedicated team of suck-offs available at my disposal 24/7.

That is what you do when you become the MOST powerful man on the Planet you enjoy all the perks that come with it  :thumb: .

I would love to be the US President and trust me, things will never be the same under my Rule.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 10 November 2016, 19:53:56


The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.

I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.

They even did a South Park episode about it. People were freaking out thinking he would take their guns and **** away.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:12:52


The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.

I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.
But he's the founder of Al-Qaeda and a foreign-born communist Muslim, right? :p xD
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:16:07
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: paicrai on Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:32:52
nerd politics
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 10 November 2016, 22:05:47
says the uneducated non-Americans.

Exactly.

Clint Eastwood made me support Trump and like him, I put my own money into it.  USA, USA, USA  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 10 November 2016, 22:27:17
I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.

Have you seen closeups of these so-called protestors?  Most look like secondhand tea-bags as one commentator here in Convict Town had said.  They are the same professional parasites who think that the state/country owes them a free living standard and are now out in force trying to make Trump feel bad for winning.

If he can stamp down on these parasites within the US of A and stop them milking off the system then maybe your country has a real chance of flourishing again.  WE have those very same scum bags here too, who sponge off the system, so I did vote for our own version of the far right and thus far it's ticking along nicely.

Waiting for the real laws to cut-off welfare subsidies to pass in the senate but yes, we do have experience in dealing with the shirkers and bush-ticks wanting to maintain the status quo.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 10 November 2016, 22:35:28
Businesses and billionaires milk way more off the system than those people you talk about do.  All cutting off welfare subsidies to the poorest does is **** over future generations more.  If you're going to rail against welfare, then rail against the system of economic oppression that makes it necessary.  Bash the lack of decent paying work.  Bash the cost of healthcare.  Rail against the inequalities in the system that makes systemic generational poverty happen.  Present solutions that pull people out of poverty instead of cutting taxes to the rich and trusting that trickle down economics, the free market, and non-profits will fix everything.  They didn't with Reagan and they haven't in the last 50 years.

When did people stop having ****ing compassion in this world and when did it become about only helping the wealthy. 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 11 November 2016, 00:12:04
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 November 2016, 00:15:07
Businesses and billionaires milk way more off the system than those people you talk about do.  All cutting off welfare subsidies to the poorest does is **** over future generations more.  If you're going to rail against welfare, then rail against the system of economic oppression that makes it necessary.  Bash the lack of decent paying work.  Bash the cost of healthcare.  Rail against the inequalities in the system that makes systemic generational poverty happen.  Present solutions that pull people out of poverty instead of cutting taxes to the rich and trusting that trickle down economics, the free market, and non-profits will fix everything.  They didn't with Reagan and they haven't in the last 50 years.

When did people stop having ****ing compassion in this world and when did it become about only helping the wealthy. 



This is not true..


The Billionaires only have more ON PAPER..

But they are in fact not truly richer than anyone who makes ~$100,000 usd..



The life we live as americans is not improved by wealth beyond that income level..


Our true wealth is our TIME..    in this respect no one actually earns more than anyone else..


Time spent enjoying a coffee is the same as time spent chopping wood..  You do something, and time is Spent..




MONEY,  in the hands of billionaires are squandered at times,  This is certainly true..   But you can not blame them,  They are only human and there is a limit to their inhibitions..


However,    when we compare who is more valuable to society..   


The do-nothing crowd is far less useful than a billionaire. 


The reason being,  the do-nothing crowd, is the consequence of overpopulation..   BECAUSE we have more than enough people,  that's why there is excess capacity..




From the perspective of a completely unemotional, uninhibited social planner//god..   it's better to let excess capacity simply perish..  trim the fat..


And fundamentally,  Population contraction is precisely this natural process.. (which is ongoing in all first world nations)



Now,  Humans also have another challenge,  that being Decadence..   If this happens continuously at unchecked levels,  the population goes into collapse..

For example the introduction of Cheap heroin into a community.. 


But it does not have to be something so extreme,    fast food,  pornography,   prostitution,     All forms of reduced cost happiness..



The acceptance of these ideologies as --the norm---  is what ultimately drives decline
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 11 November 2016, 01:37:05
When all is said and done Trump fought this campaign on his own, with little to NO help from the Republican base so he alone deserves the accolade for winning here compared to Clinton's vast sums of money poured over the establishment to get her elected.

Trump is a 'Pitbull' that can maintain a long fight and I thought that is what you need above all else in a leader these days.  Poor Bernie Sanders collapsed under Hillary when she applied the pressure, hence he could never be President in any way, shape or form.  You need to be a street fighter ready to take down anyone who is against you, that is the job of leading the most powerful nation on Earth.

Glad Hillary never won since seeing her collapsing under the weight of the campaign early on, never had the real tenacity to win above all else against Trump.  Now everything goes down in History books around the globe in which this individual that was laughed at, jeered at, was the butt of every joke made up by jealous, cretinous morons, becomes the President of the United States.

Even I'm more proud of him than our own pathetic losers here in Convict Town.  Onya Trump  :thumb: .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: DanielT on Fri, 11 November 2016, 10:56:32
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: DanielT on Fri, 11 November 2016, 10:57:12
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 11:01:32
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 November 2016, 11:08:52
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IMHO,  is that not proof enough that Trump makes THE MOST intelligent president we've ever had..


At the very least,  THE MOST CRAFTY..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Fri, 11 November 2016, 12:36:46
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People love that, though. They love being lied to, and the more obvious and bad the lie, the more they like it. No-one wants a good guy :p .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 13:56:58
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Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 11 November 2016, 15:31:55

Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?


Chomsky is always dramatic in a dry, understated way.

His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he  *is*  honest.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 11 November 2016, 15:52:03
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Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:12:57
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Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?

That ending is perfect though.  He's pointing out that republicans are not the problem, but that it's the proliferation and legitimization of right wing extremism seen in the Tea Party and birther movements.  It's not those republicans with a rational basis to their beliefs, but those who believe without and in contradiction to the evidence.  Instead of silencing then, they've come to represent the party.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Coreda on Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:34:19
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

It's a fake quote but people will believe anything about him at this point.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:55:03
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/ (http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/)

It's a fake quote but people will believe anything about him at this point.

Your (US) media was made fools of because they actively promoted Clinton everywhere even around the Globe but when the result came through it basically showed that your media is totally inept, stupid and above all else plain WRONG.

That is why Trump beat all those pathetic 'pundits' writing his obituary saying he will never win but the people of America stopped believing in their rubbish propaganda a long time ago.  In the end the person on the street wanted to give Washington the almighty, giant BIRD signal to them and they did it.

So before all the pathetic leftie garbage starts spinning the truth to suit their losses just know who won in the end, it wasn't that Clinton Swampie but someone else who will take the fight to all those bottom-feeders up in the hill, that alone is worth watching.  For years we had the current system which is broke, literally and figuratively and it's always wise to throw in a something to make those comfortable barge rats pay attention, to something that has occurred and they can not stop it from happening.

It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur.  In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:59:15
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 11 November 2016, 18:15:15
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/ (http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/)


It's a fake quote but people will believe anything about him at this point.

Your (US) media was made fools of because they actively promoted Clinton everywhere even around the Globe but when the result came through it basically showed that your media is totally inept, stupid and above all else plain WRONG.

That is why Trump beat all those pathetic 'pundits' writing his obituary saying he will never win but the people of America stopped believing in their rubbish propaganda a long time ago.  In the end the person on the street wanted to give Washington the almighty, giant BIRD signal to them and they did it.

So before all the pathetic leftie garbage starts spinning the truth to suit their losses just know who won in the end, it wasn't that Clinton Swampie but someone else who will take the fight to all those bottom-feeders up in the hill, that alone is worth watching.  For years we had the current system which is broke, literally and figuratively and it's always wise to throw in a something to make those comfortable barge rats pay attention, to something that has occurred and they can not stop it from happening.

It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur.  In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.

don't get me started on this safespace ****. bunch of weak idiots.


You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 11 November 2016, 19:11:14
You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0)

Never any animosity from me, always stating nothing but the FACTS from far away.  Maybe that is why I can clearly see what is happening inside your great nation, due to not being drowned in garbage media convincing me what is their version of the truth and who to believe 24/7.

The same ignorant parasites who can always be called upon to support wars, death and destruction on a daily basis.  To me that is true aggression and a real crime against humanity and that needs to be stopped immediately.  Funny how since Obama took office more dark skinned people were killed under his watch than any previous President.  Makes you wonder why he supplied all the Police with Military weapons to use against his own population then watch him sit down and laugh at anyone who mentions this.

All those that lost their family and loved ones under this idiot President need to under stand that vital fact here, he did nothing for the poor  or the unemployed yet the far Left still wants to process it's lies as the truth about caring for all the minorities within the United States.  As I'm dark skinned I wouldn't feel comfortable walking down the streets of any City for fear of being shot by my local Police.  Imagine how those living in the US feel about what has happened to them under this President.  Glad he is leaving but the mess that Trump has to clean up is a long haul here, so it won't be instant but it needs to be done to restore confidence in a Republic that has lost it's way under two moronic parties.

Just give Trump a chance to work on this instead of kicking and crying all the time like ignorant babies.  Time to grow up and realize that there is a lot to fix after decades of morose leadership and deformed implementations.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 11 November 2016, 19:13:13
You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0)

Maybe that is why I can clearly see what is happening inside your great nation

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Sat, 12 November 2016, 21:14:57

It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur.  In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.

Elrick, do you think media is equally bad around the world or just in the US? Also, how do you know that the reports that are delivered to you in Craptown are the accurate accounts? I am not challenging your information but instead trying to understand the assurance that you have in your sources.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 12 November 2016, 22:09:15
His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he  *is*  honest.

It’s a different kind of “honest”. Trump has no moral principles, no empathy, no long-term memory (except for petty revenge), and no patience for facts or reason. So he “honestly” says whatever happens to be in his head at the time. Which is often precisely the opposite of whatever was in his head a few hours before, and seldom bears even passing resemblance to reality.

But it’s different than other Republicans, who believe one set of things in private, but pretend to believe something else publicly as a means to an end.

Trump is incapable of that type of pretension. He’ll happily lie through his teeth, but it’s the obvious fabulism of a naughty 5-year-old, not the practiced conspiracy of a shrewd politician.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 12 November 2016, 22:24:09
His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he  *is*  honest.

It’s a different kind of “honest”. Trump has no moral principles, no empathy, no long-term memory (except for petty revenge), and no patience for facts or reason. So he “honestly” says whatever happens to be in his head at the time. Which is often precisely the opposite of whatever was in his head a few hours before, and seldom bears even passing resemblance to reality.

But it’s different than other Republicans, who believe one set of things in private, but pretend to believe something else publicly as a means to an end.

Trump is incapable of that type of pretension. He’ll happily lie through his teeth, but it’s the obvious fabulism of a naughty 5-year-old, not the practiced conspiracy of a shrewd politician.


You can't possibly know this..

It could all be an elaborate ploy to ward off suspicion of his deeper motive..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 12 November 2016, 22:27:45
Every person who has ever worked with Trump says pretty much the same thing about him. Trump is not smart enough for elaborate plots or deeper motives. The most powerful person in Trump’s organization is whoever talks with him last, right before he makes a decision, because he tends to agree with whoever he last met with.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 12 November 2016, 22:45:21
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sat, 12 November 2016, 23:03:41
Every person who has ever worked with Trump says pretty much the same thing about him. Trump is not smart enough for elaborate plots or deeper motives. The most powerful person in Trump’s organization is whoever talks with him last, right before he makes a decision, because he tends to agree with whoever he last met with.

So far everything you have said sounds like your own personal speculations. At times, Trump has spoken in hyperboles, but saying Every person who has ever worked with Trump is just one and the same. You speak as if you know him. Yawn
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 13 November 2016, 09:24:00

So far everything you have said sounds like your own personal speculations.


There is a large body of evidence out there. Here are just a couple of the top hits:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/trump-book-tony-schwartz.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/trump-book-tony-schwartz.html)

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-donald-trump-boss-employer-company-hired-fired-employees-workers-management-business-214020 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-donald-trump-boss-employer-company-hired-fired-employees-workers-management-business-214020)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sun, 13 November 2016, 09:33:46
>nytimes
>politico

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 13 November 2016, 10:16:59
Listen mates, you're all better off NOT falling for the bait of being pit against each other, but instead figuring a path towards a better humanity and a government that protects the people, rather than attacks them, both here and aboard.  Trump won't do that for, Clinton won't do that for you, the parties won't do that for you, and the government won't do that for you.

Listen to each other, understand, turn off your damn television, read a variety of news sources and take them all with a grain of salt, actually try to understand something being rambling and parroting back whatever you're told, and think of solutions that DON'T treat a person as less than human.

This is bickering is useless and doesn't get us anywhere.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 13 November 2016, 16:54:05
Listen mates, you're all better off NOT falling for the bait of being pit against each other, but instead figuring a path towards a better humanity and a government that protects the people, rather than attacks them, both here and aboard.  Trump won't do that for, Clinton won't do that for you, the parties won't do that for you, and the government won't do that for you.

Listen to each other, understand, turn off your damn television, read a variety of news sources and take them all with a grain of salt, actually try to understand something being rambling and parroting back whatever you're told, and think of solutions that DON'T treat a person as less than human.

This is bickering is useless and doesn't get us anywhere.

(http://i.imgur.com/PQjhaJv.gif)

I've wanted to post this on every board that I'm on where this conversation has popped up, but have been too disenchanted by the noise there that I haven't   Thanks for being better than I.

The thing is, almost half the people voted for Trump.  A bit over half voted for Hillary.  The last time that there was even a margin of success of over 20% was in 72.  And yet, in every election, people bemoan that there are people like that, that would vote for the candidate that wasn't theirsThey are here, they will always be here, and they are the reason the system works as well as it does.  So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 13 November 2016, 16:57:05
So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though?  The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground.  When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority.  Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat.  There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.

I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together.  Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 13 November 2016, 17:18:21
Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.

The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!

Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.
 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 13 November 2016, 17:30:19
So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though?  The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground.  When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority.  Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat.  There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.

I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together.  Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.

I've heard the same thing of Dems - to make Trump a one term president.  Shouldn't the objective, and dare I say it, their jobs be to run the government effectively?  And that sentiment was where it is now- ignored.  And that's the problem.  Be bigger than the other side, and show them how to lose with grace.  And how to get things done without being obstructionist.

Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.

The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!

Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.
 


How do you know that everyone that would have voted for Trump voted?  You don't.  The same logic could be applied if Hillary won.

He played the game, he won.  It's not in the winning, it's in what happens.  And people shouldn't take themselves out of the process just because they lost.  It's at that point that it makes the most sense to be part of the process.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sun, 13 November 2016, 19:36:38
And here I am just waiting for the national legalization of recreational marijuana.
arent we all
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:02:57

I've wanted to post this on every board that I'm on where this conversation has popped up, but have been too disenchanted by the noise there that I haven't   Thanks for being better than I.

The thing is, almost half the people voted for Trump.  A bit over half voted for Hillary.  The last time that there was even a margin of success of over 20% was in 72.  And yet, in every election, people bemoan that there are people like that, that would vote for the candidate that wasn't theirsThey are here, they will always be here, and they are the reason the system works as well as it does.  So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Thanks.  Half of the people that voted went for Trump, which was only 26% of eligible voters.  The largest vote getter was nobody, because 47%(?) of the eligible voters did not vote.

Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.

The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!

Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.


Good analysis of the statistics.  Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.  Many people that do not vote simply feel that the political discussion does not speak to any of their needs or interests.  Chat with some non-voters and they have their reasons. I think the best way to convince a non-voter to get to the polls is emphasize the importance of local offices, because we can directly engage in those and those have a direct effect on our lives.

So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though?  The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground.  When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority.  Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat.  There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.

I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together.  Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.

Maybe the sentiment was not there, and Senate Democrats may continue that obstructionism.  But work to do in your personal interactions with people of different political beliefs and I think you will have more in common than not.  And turn the dissatisfaction towards amending the system to improve the results and voter engagement.  For example:  http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:18:56

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:28:08
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:38:56
His cabinet is legit scary. Jesus ****.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:43:19

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.

How wrong can you be?  Abstaining has always been a recourse in elections.  And if you don't research the candidates, you're actually doing more harm than good, taking the word of the media, or people around you.  Apathy implies a lack of caring- it actually takes more caring to realize that neither is a valid option, and by choosing either, the voter is endorsing a candidate that will not be good for the country.  I'm not saying that this is the stance of everyone who did not vote, nor that there are not people out there who didn't vote out of apathy.  But to lump everyone in the same category with no empirical proof- that's just wrong.

http://www.rebeccacosta.com/blog/when-it-comes-to-voting-is-it-ever-right-to-abstain-five-time-presidential-candidate-ralph-nader-has-a-better-idea-296.htm
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 13 November 2016, 22:50:21
Earlier in my career, when I worked an average of 55+ hours a week to make ends meet, I admit I didn't spend enough time going over the issues. Somehow, just keeping the family fed took a higher priority. I almost always voted, but the reasons for my choices were so flimsy that I think I was doing the country a disservice. That's why I shudder when I see celebrities like Miley Cyrus going to college dorm rooms to encourage student (who probably are nursing a hangover from the night before) to get out and vote. Don't get me wrong, many students are very well informed, but they probably have already resolved to vote anyway. Cyrusian tactics usually just draw out the zombies that don't have a clue as to what their doing when they enter the voting booth.

I agree it's our duty to vote, but if we can't be informed voters, it's probably our best alternate duty to not vote. Truth is, I'd rather have someone like Fohat, whose vote has probably canceled out every one I've made in the last 20 years, vote instead of an ill informed voter who accidentally presses the same buttons as I do.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 13 November 2016, 23:37:37
Earlier in my career, when I worked an average of 55+ hours a week to make ends meet, I admit I didn't spend enough time going over the issues. Somehow, just keeping the family fed took a higher priority. I almost always voted, but the reasons for my choices were so flimsy that I think I was doing the country a disservice. That's why I shudder when I see celebrities like Miley Cyrus going to college dorm rooms to encourage student (who probably are nursing a hangover from the night before) to get out and vote. Don't get me wrong, many students are very well informed, but they probably have already resolved to vote anyway. Cyrusian tactics usually just draw out the zombies that don't have a clue as to what their doing when they enter the voting booth.

I agree it's our duty to vote, but if we can't be informed voters, it's probably our best alternate duty to not vote. Truth is, I'd rather have someone like Fohat, whose vote has probably canceled out every one I've made in the last 20 years, vote instead of an ill informed voter who accidentally presses the same buttons as I do.


That's illogical..   How and why something happens is disconnected from your logical DESIRED outcome..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Mon, 14 November 2016, 04:22:35

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 14 November 2016, 04:33:27

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?

Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Mon, 14 November 2016, 05:01:36

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?

Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
No, it's an option where I'm from that just allows you to vote for no party at all. It means you're engaged with the elections, and appreciate your right to vote, but don't like any of the available options.

It's a much better way of doing a "protect vote" than just staying at home watching TV I think.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 14 November 2016, 05:12:39

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?

Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
No, it's an option where I'm from that just allows you to vote for no party at all. It means you're engaged with the elections, and appreciate your right to vote, but don't like any of the available options.

It's a much better way of doing a "protect vote" than just staying at home watching TV I think.

Oh ok, in Australia you get fined if you dont vote (like 20 dollars). But your not monitored when you scribble on the paper so your free not to select anyone one. But there is no choose to not select anyone option. Local elections piss me off the most and seem to carry a harsher fine so i generally dont take them seriously. Interestingly enough, last local election i voted trump.....
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 14 November 2016, 08:00:52

that just allows you to vote for no party at all.


We don't vote for parties in the US.

In each separate race there is a slate of candidates and you choose one (sometimes it is "vote for 3 from this list" or something like that).

Just like a multiple choice test in school, you can skip the question and/or not mark anyone.

And, last, in the holdover from the pre-Industrial age, the Electoral College, although it looks like you are voting for a presidential candidate, you are actually voting for your state's "electors" who are "pledged" to vote for that candidate later. In some states they are required by law to do so, in others they could vote their personal conscience with impunity (although that is rare).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 14 November 2016, 08:03:44

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?

Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
No, it's an option where I'm from that just allows you to vote for no party at all. It means you're engaged with the elections, and appreciate your right to vote, but don't like any of the available options.

It's a much better way of doing a "protect vote" than just staying at home watching TV I think.

They've made that less and less an option in many municipalities- supposedly to combat voter fraud and voter mistakes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Coreda on Mon, 14 November 2016, 08:06:03
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 14 November 2016, 09:54:10
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 14 November 2016, 10:25:58
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Strength in Unity...  A Better America for ALL...




The majority of PEOPLE  ,  have a job, they have kids, they're not hungry, they got steady income.


BUT,  that does not mean these people understand Politics/ Economics/ Humans


The greater number of people will always only see the world relative to themselves..   That is not to say they are selfish, only that their perspective is narrow..   They are truly only equipped to handle their own interests, it ends there..


Their opinion / ideology / BELIEF   are wholly inadequate to model or judge the ROLE of the Social-Planner..




Trump is just as good a president as any old guy/girl of that age..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 14 November 2016, 10:41:54
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 14 November 2016, 10:44:07
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election



Hahahahahah..  Tp4 also doubt it..  If anything it probably cost him votes..


I'd prolly guess that the bulk of Geekhackers are young kids who don't know nething about nething..    So, they actually got off their butts and voted in the first place,    and,   prolly voted hillary because they're so used to getting picked on in School by people like Trump..


--- IN FACT,  am quite certain,  that this psychological scarring had been the deciding factor for the majority of  the ---EDucated voters---


Logically,  All of Trump's behaviors / beliefs makes him a Great President,    No one is going to Bully Trump, NO ONE CAN...

AND,  Being a Bully should be in the Job description//


Trump might be a TERRIBLE PERSON,     but that's EXACTLY who should be President..



Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 14 November 2016, 12:29:37
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
I don't know what more I could do to make it more clear that it was a joke, besides directly saying it is a joke.  :p
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 14 November 2016, 13:00:21
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
I don't know what more I could do to make it more clear that it was a joke, besides directly saying it is a joke.  :p

I'm pretty sure tp started this thread as a joke. But somewhere amongst the chaos jokes became facts that erupted all over America into protests. So it's difficult for me to see who is actually joking in this thread and who is actually being srs. Ok, my bad :-[
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 14 November 2016, 13:06:45
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
I don't know what more I could do to make it more clear that it was a joke, besides directly saying it is a joke.  :p

I'm pretty sure tp started this thread as a joke. But somewhere amongst the chaos jokes became facts that erupted all over America into protests. So it's difficult for me to see who is actually joking in this thread and who is actually being srs. Ok, my bad :-[
I can't tell when tp4 is joking or not, so it's alright.  :))
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 14 November 2016, 13:53:34
^ I remember tp4 looking for a new nickname.  I think Nero is appropriate.  Except, with a post, instead of a lyre.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 14 November 2016, 16:52:15

But somewhere amongst the chaos jokes became facts that erupted all over America


Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:07:16
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:13:24
http://www.newsweek.com/john-dean-can-trump-survive-lawsuits-against-him-520298 (http://www.newsweek.com/john-dean-can-trump-survive-lawsuits-against-him-520298)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:13:44
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election

Science and logic says otherwise. I seriously doubt that it didn't sway things in Trump's favor. You just have to open your eyes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:17:11
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.
I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..

Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election

Science and logic says otherwise. I seriously doubt that it didn't sway things in Trump's favor. You just have to open your eyes.

But if I open my eyes that means I'll have to wake up :( I've been asleep for the past eight years..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Mon, 14 November 2016, 18:47:26

I agree it's our duty to vote, but if we can't be informed voters, it's probably our best alternate duty to not vote. Truth is, I'd rather have someone like Fohat, whose vote has probably canceled out every one I've made in the last 20 years, vote instead of an ill informed voter who accidentally presses the same buttons as I do.


That's illogical..   How and why something happens is disconnected from your logical DESIRED outcome..



My greater, "logical desired outcome" is for democracy to work.
 
I think that overall our system was pretty well thought out. A system which respects the points of views of all of its constituents, while still having safeguards to prevent abuses by factions. As unlikely as it may seem to most of us, other people may have different but valid perspectives which should be, at least, considered. Therefore, in general, a well developed argument, even if it's wrong, is more important to the system than a volume of input with no substance; the latter simply clouding the results.

Being only minimally utilitarian in my philosophy of right and wrong, I don't generally agree with the Machiavellian concept that the ends justify the means. I think we should trust the system and try to work within it, accept it, and fight it only as a last resort. That includes voter fraud, coercion as well as suppression, and equally important—accepting the results.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 November 2016, 19:20:46
My greater, "logical desired outcome" is for democracy to work.

Being only minimally utilitarian in my philosophy of right and wrong, I don't generally agree with the Machiavellian concept that the ends justify the means. I think we should trust the system and try to work within it, accept it, and fight it only as a last resort. That includes voter fraud, coercion as well as suppression, and equally important—accepting the results.

Totally agree.

It's extremely unsettling that when the PEOPLE voted for someone the Establishment dispises suddenly Democracy has Failed.  This is where you really need it despite what the Mass Media is saying.  Currently a lot of HATE is being distributed via the media today to not trust your democratic system and in fact instill some kind of sick overthrow like that will instill confidence and stability within your nation.

So funny that back when Obama got elected the system worked Perfectly but now when the mainstream parties and media working hand in hand can not stomach the people making their choice, it's now unbearable and wrong.  You can't pick and choose what you want, especially by the current corrupt swampies on the hill who want to desperately maintain the Status Quo of funding wars and oppression.

This is a unique time where the majority didn't believe the lies distributed daily by the mass media so I applaud their strength in choosing the right person here.  Trump isn't another swampie gearing up for WW3 but he wants to cut back expenditure which Obama has ramped up consistently, during his term in office.

Maybe for the first time in 8 years we actually might have a more peaceful world as all the terrorist regimes/groups get no more weapons and money to maintain their misery across the globe.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 November 2016, 19:38:28
Elrick, do you think media is equally bad around the world or just in the US? Also, how do you know that the reports that are delivered to you in Craptown are the accurate accounts? I am not challenging your information but instead trying to understand the assurance that you have in your sources.

With the current media in the West applauding and singing from the same cheat sheets.  They are all in unison when it comes to reporting everything concerning the EU, Western and Eastern societies and that alone raises suspicion that you can't have an objective media when every newspaper and media source is quoting the very same sources, delivered via Washington on a daily basis.

RT seems to be the only source providing another view point in what's happening in Libya, Middle East, Western Europe and Eastern Europe which all the western media has ignored.  So that alone raises extreme distrust in the current status quo within main stream media only reporting lacklustre rubbish.  That has disenfranchised whole populations within Europe that do not believe in the mass media anymore because they failed them in every way.

Also that delivered a Trump win which the mass media has totally misread the public and failed to accurately report reality.  The mass media chose to ignore middle america's plight and in fact make's fun of them calling them in bred and ignorant even today.  So we now have the moronic media attacking the people instead of the inept leadership which has delivered a failed state to the majority of the middle class.

When the mass media fails to report what is actually happening it's all of us that miss out in having an informed democratic system.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 14 November 2016, 20:32:27
My greater, "logical desired outcome" is for democracy to work.

Being only minimally utilitarian in my philosophy of right and wrong, I don't generally agree with the Machiavellian concept that the ends justify the means. I think we should trust the system and try to work within it, accept it, and fight it only as a last resort. That includes voter fraud, coercion as well as suppression, and equally important—accepting the results.

Totally agree.

It's extremely unsettling that when the PEOPLE voted for someone the Establishment dispises suddenly Democracy has Failed.  This is where you really need it despite what the Mass Media is saying.  Currently a lot of HATE is being distributed via the media today to not trust your democratic system and in fact instill some kind of sick overthrow like that will instill confidence and stability within your nation.

So funny that back when Obama got elected the system worked Perfectly but now when the mainstream parties and media working hand in hand can not stomach the people making their choice, it's now unbearable and wrong.  You can't pick and choose what you want, especially by the current corrupt swampies on the hill who want to desperately maintain the Status Quo of funding wars and oppression.

This is a unique time where the majority didn't believe the lies distributed daily by the mass media so I applaud their strength in choosing the right person here.  Trump isn't another swampie gearing up for WW3 but he wants to cut back expenditure which Obama has ramped up consistently, during his term in office.

Maybe for the first time in 8 years we actually might have a more peaceful world as all the terrorist regimes/groups get no more weapons and money to maintain their misery across the globe.

Many said the same thing about the elections then.  This is not a liberal/conservative nor a republic/democrat thing.  It's human nature, especially when you don't want to shine the light on your party's particular failures.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 14 November 2016, 21:43:41

the PEOPLE voted for someone


The Founding Fathers depended on an informed and engaged electorate and a free press to disseminate reliable information.

Read the publications surrounding the establishment and ratification of the Constitution, in particular "The Federalist Papers" and it is clear what the intent and assumptions were for the health and maintenance of the system.

Today those components have broken down to the point that we have a controlled partisan press monopoly promoting an incompetent and unqualified bozo about to be installed based on the vote of 26% of the qualified population of the country.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 14 November 2016, 21:49:48
It's stupid to think we really get a say in who becomes president. If America had any say at all neither Hillary nor Trump would have been in the running, yet we had no choice but to choose one of two unlikable people who paid to win. The entire idea of democracy in America is a goddamn sham.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 November 2016, 22:45:04
The Founding Fathers depended on an informed and engaged electorate and a free press to disseminate reliable information.

Read the publications surrounding the establishment and ratification of the Constitution, in particular "The Federalist Papers" and it is clear what the intent and assumptions were for the health and maintenance of the system.

Today those components have broken down to the point that we have a controlled partisan press monopoly promoting an incompetent and unqualified bozo about to be installed based on the vote of 26% of the qualified population of the country.

Exactly, the BIG mistake for the United States but mostly every other Western Nation is allowing Conglomerates to buy out all the information services.

Now you have only ONE agenda, the complete support of the current status quo which is what is really hurting not just the middle class within America but on a whole Global stage as well.  Hi-jacking news and purposely ignoring the real issues has shown in this election how the people of this country and around the globe where grossly misinformed.

What is truly disgusting with all these Corporate News Media is instead of admitting their mistakes they start attacking everyone else and that to me is the first time I've seen such deplorable behaviour from News Services which were suppose to be independent from the regime and not remain as it's lapdog, to attack anyone who questions their motives or intentions.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 November 2016, 22:57:46
It's stupid to think we really get a say in who becomes president. If America had any say at all neither Hillary nor Trump would have been in the running, yet we had no choice but to choose one of two unlikable people who paid to win. The entire idea of democracy in America is a goddamn sham.

It's a bit of both.

YES, there were only two candidates despite being another two more which were ignored by the Mass Media   Hardly heard anything from Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.  Then there was also Evan McMullin or Darrell Castle so basically there were a lot of others vying for the Presidency but the TWO party system made sure that they never got within a million miles of winning.

All we heard for more than 2 years, was Hillary Clinton (98% popularity by all the Mass Media) and Donald Trump (everyone and his dog would never vote for, again from the Mass Media).

BUT we didn't get the future foretold by the idiotic/blind Mass Media and that is what really hurts their credibility today.  Never trust garbage pretending to be the Absolute Truth by any Corporate Media because 98% of the time, it's guaranteed to be an Absolute Lie.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 15 November 2016, 08:09:48

If America had any say at all neither Hillary nor Trump would have been in the running,


It all comes back to people's apathy at not voting. I have made it a point to vote in EVERY election throughout my adult life, even down to off-year runoff elections for dog-catcher (sarcasm there).

The primary system is particularly susceptible to that problem (even though we had a couple of important county ballot measures piggy-backing on last spring) and provides us with all these bad choices.

Trump was nominated on the vote of under 6% of the eligible voters in the country, and Clinton by less than 8%.
 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 16 November 2016, 04:38:23

If America had any say at all neither Hillary nor Trump would have been in the running,


It all comes back to people's apathy at not voting. I have made it a point to vote in EVERY election throughout my adult life, even down to off-year runoff elections for dog-catcher (sarcasm there).

The primary system is particularly susceptible to that problem (even though we had a couple of important county ballot measures piggy-backing on last spring) and provides us with all these bad choices.

Trump was nominated on the vote of under 6% of the eligible voters in the country, and Clinton by less than 8%.

Apathy would be harsh in this instance mainly because vast numbers still turned out to vote.  What really hurt Obama/Clinton was the entrenchment of Wall Street within their cabinet for the last 8 years.

Eight long years of slaughtering American Manufacturing because those greedy tossers in Wall Street, made money for multi-nationals to move all of their operations into 3rd world countries to build the very same items that were once made on US soil.  Hence the unemployment of all those people and families that got retrenched and dumped like refuse in the march for record growth through a broken and corrupted economy.

They were the ones that never benefited in the so-called GREAT FREE-MARKET system which was exclusively geared towards Huge Multi-Nationals to enjoy and pay next to no tax whatsoever.  Meanwhile millions of Americans now enjoy no future at all and for their children as well so they came out to make a difference through voting.  They are the ones that are living the American Nightmare whilst all the Mass media kept saying they never had it so good under Obama and Co.

All the so-called experts that said they knew what America wanted and got it so wrong, so next time you switch on your TV in the heart land of the United States and another boring tosser starts talking about what will happen in the future, remember that these same morons never picked Trump's win and for me they've lost all credibility.  How can you take advice from 'EXPERTS" who can't see anything around them or even see what is actually happening?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:38:12

long years of slaughtering American Manufacturing because those greedy tossers in Wall Street


Manufacturing started leaving the US in earnest in the 1970s, and accelerated dramatically under Reagan.

As our manufacturing base, coming out of WW2 at an all-time strength, was wearing down, the next-generation capabilities of our former foes, Germany and Japan, financed by the Marshall Plan, was peaking. Today, the Third World may not be so advanced mechanically, but the near-infinite supply of ultra-cheap labor makes that now the cheapest place to manufacture.

I get sick of people falsely attributing NAFTA to Bill Clinton. Look it up.
It was Bush Sr's pet project for much of his term, and he signed before leaving office.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 17 November 2016, 22:37:56
Hillary is really letting herself go now that the election is over...

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 17 November 2016, 22:43:25
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 18 November 2016, 21:33:41

long years of slaughtering American Manufacturing because those greedy tossers in Wall Street


Manufacturing started leaving the US in earnest in the 1970s, and accelerated dramatically under Reagan.

As our manufacturing base, coming out of WW2 at an all-time strength, was wearing down, the next-generation capabilities of our former foes, Germany and Japan, financed by the Marshall Plan, was peaking. Today, the Third World may not be so advanced mechanically, but the near-infinite supply of ultra-cheap labor makes that now the cheapest place to manufacture.

I get sick of people falsely attributing NAFTA to Bill Clinton. Look it up.
It was Bush Sr's pet project for much of his term, and he signed before leaving office.

Pssh. Reagan's trickle down golden shower helped lift so many people out of poverty man.  Don't you even know?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 19 November 2016, 02:06:18
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate


I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.


I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 November 2016, 02:22:28
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate


I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.


I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.


No she would not have been a good president.

For one, she's on psychoactive medication just to stay upright.


The stress has already gotten to her and deteriorated her physical condition..


And the type of meds she's on, well, they greatly alter neural firings.


Though logic may not be compromised, there's no telling what type of polarization may occur..






Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sat, 19 November 2016, 02:26:24
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Sat, 19 November 2016, 02:44:48
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sat, 19 November 2016, 02:55:20
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.
both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 19 November 2016, 03:08:09
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.
both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.

I respect your view
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 19 November 2016, 03:08:43
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate


I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.


I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.

I respect your view
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 19 November 2016, 03:09:27
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate


I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.


I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.


No she would not have been a good president.

For one, she's on psychoactive medication just to stay upright.


The stress has already gotten to her and deteriorated her physical condition..


And the type of meds she's on, well, they greatly alter neural firings.


Though logic may not be compromised, there's no telling what type of polarization may occur..

I respect your view
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 19 November 2016, 04:05:50
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.
both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.

From a relatively uninformed outside perspective you were given the choice of voting for two unacceptable 'famous' candidates and two with no advertising budget.

I liken this choice to having to chose between being shot in the right leg, left leg, or shot at by one of two people who've been blindfolded and spun around so will probably do less damage.  A huge majority of those who voted wanted to get shot...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 19 November 2016, 08:17:29
Sometimes you have to read between the lines.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 19 November 2016, 09:49:45
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate


I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.


I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.


No she would not have been a good president.

For one, she's on psychoactive medication just to stay upright.


The stress has already gotten to her and deteriorated her physical condition..


And the type of meds she's on, well, they greatly alter neural firings.


Though logic may not be compromised, there's no telling what type of polarization may occur..

Links?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: derezzed on Sat, 19 November 2016, 10:51:31
Sometimes you have to read between the lines.

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Why did I look in this thread?  :(

I've never seen that quote before but that is exactly what I started thinking about when I woke up this morning.  The Republican party has been working for decades to enact laws that diminish or restrict the ability of minorities and poor people to vote.  They successfully conspired (project REDMAP) to gain control of state legislatures in 2010 for the express purpose of redrawing voting districts to consolidate non-conservative voters into fewer voting districts, increase the number of Republican voting districts, and give the Republican party more power and control.  In 2017, the Republican party will control all three branches of the federal government.  Imagine what they can do with the NSA's surveillance programs.  They will have the capability to direct surveillance to specific political opponents.  I'm not talking about Democrats in Congress.  I'm talking about journalists and activists, or really, anyone who is critical of them.  It's no secret how Trump feels about the media.  He might be tempted to have people use information gathered from NSA surveillance of American citizens to interfere with the press or to punish people who have been openly critical of him.  Many corporations have used methods like ALEC to get people in Congress to propose and enact legislation written by the corporations for the corporations.  Imagine people in Trump's administration using surveillance information to blackmail vulnerable journalists into publishing "news" stories fabricated by people in Trump's administration.   

I'm not saying that this will happen, but it seems a lot less far-fetched now.  The government's surveillance programs have always had the potential to be used this way (and in far worse ways).  If they have already been used this way, how would we know?  The potential and temptation for abuse of the system of spying on American citizens is why so many people are opposed to it.  Will the Republican party prove that their fears are founded?  Any abuse of the system normalizes that behavior and sets a precedent.  It undermines the very foundation of our country.  Is Trump the kind of person who could recognize that?  Is he the kind of person who would prioritize the long-term security of the nation above his short-term political and financial ambitions?  What about the people he appoints to his administration?

That quote posted by Fohat doesn't give me confidence in Trump's administration.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 November 2016, 13:01:38
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.
both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.

From a relatively uninformed outside perspective you were given the choice of voting for two unacceptable 'famous' candidates and two with no advertising budget.

I liken this choice to having to chose between being shot in the right leg, left leg, or shot at by one of two people who've been blindfolded and spun around so will probably do less damage.  A huge majority of those who voted wanted to get shot...



Then you misunderstand Modern Democracy in the first place..


WE DON"T have a Democracy..

That's rule #1 of the 21st century..


It's an Oligarchy through and through.. It has ALWAYS been an Oligarchy..



Even between  bands of 2 people.. the stronger person has more power..



Democracy assumes equal decision rights (at some level),  but that is impossible, because you only have as much rights as your ability to enforce/enact them.


The problem is not with the world as it is.. the problem is with ^^^^ That^^^^ assumption which form their primary benchmark for democracy.. which is plain WRONG.




Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Mon, 21 November 2016, 13:47:01
I think Americans are about to get what they deserve.

it is a pity the rest of the world will be affected.

Hillary would not have made a good president either. She was even more in hock to established banks than Obama was.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 23 November 2016, 11:31:55
Nice to know that Trump is like all other politicians and completely bull****s during his campaign before not actually doing anything he said he would.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 23 November 2016, 14:08:46
Nice to know that Trump is like all other politicians and completely bull****s during his campaign before not actually doing anything he said he would.

Seems that way. Transparency is going to be shot to hell and back, though. The US President doesn't want to live in the White House, wtf is that about?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 23 November 2016, 15:52:52
He wants to rent it out like a function room of a hotel :))
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 23 November 2016, 16:24:45
K guys, threads closed. See you all here again in 4 years.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 23 November 2016, 16:35:54
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 23 November 2016, 19:08:33
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:00:47
Nice to know that Trump is like all other politicians and completely bull****s during his campaign before not actually doing anything he said he would.

My dad said the same thing tonight, and I think he even voted for Trump.  The president-elect is a pathological liar, this was to be expected.  He knows that many of his supporters are roped in regardless of what he says, now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.

As long as he doesn't start tramping on individual rights and civil liberties in concert with the rest of the Republican Party, at least we will be entertained.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:05:00
Interesting fact about this election.  I'm in Orange County, long known as a rich Republican bastion in California.  This was our election results for the county:

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:14:06
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:45:05
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:55:13
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?

obama care is **** for us

You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you?  Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points.  So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:56:03
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?

obama care is **** for us

You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you?  Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points.  So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?

Well, it got ****ed over by congress to begin with, so it's no surprise that it would continue to get further ****ed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:56:33
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 23 November 2016, 21:02:33
It's ironic that my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 23 November 2016, 21:17:02

now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.


In what Bizarro World is this happening?

What I have heard and seen are the most rabid fringe lunatics of the "Let's blow it all up" wing describing how they intend to unravel the social fabric.



my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.


I will be curious to hear who they blame when they lose it all.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 23 November 2016, 21:21:20
It's ironic that my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.




why do they hate obama care ?


It's just a health care plan..   what's to hate or love about it ?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Wed, 23 November 2016, 22:19:29
My mom switched careers and had about a 5 month gap in insurance until the school year started. Put my sister on one of the ACA plans that it claimed all her specialists would accept. Turns out they didn't because as they told us, they weren't being reimbursed and the offices decided it wasn't worth it. Ended up paying almost everything except the prescriptions out of pocket.

Now back to insurance through work and all is well, so IDK who did it or whats up,  but I hope all this **** gets ironed out because it was a royal cluster****.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 05:36:56
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?

obama care is **** for us

You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you?  Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points.  So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?

you're not stereotyping me correctly.
What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 05:37:27

now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.


In what Bizarro World is this happening?

What I have heard and seen are the most rabid fringe lunatics of the "Let's blow it all up" wing describing how they intend to unravel the social fabric.



my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.


I will be curious to hear who they blame when they lose it all.
Obama,  of course!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 05:42:32
My mom switched careers and had about a 5 month gap in insurance until the school year started. Put my sister on one of the ACA plans that it claimed all her specialists would accept. Turns out they didn't because as they told us, they weren't being reimbursed and the offices decided it wasn't worth it. Ended up paying almost everything except the prescriptions out of pocket.

Now back to insurance through work and all is well, so IDK who did it or whats up,  but I hope all this **** gets ironed out because it was a royal cluster****.
Any plan they put in place is going to have problems and people that slip through the cracks.   My brother in law had a similar experience,  but worked with them for months and got it straightened out.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 07:40:38
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 08:16:15
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 08:42:36
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mike52787 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 08:48:30
why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 08:51:50
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 24 November 2016, 09:15:15
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.

We had 'free' employer provided healthcare but thanks to obamacare it now costs me ~$4,300 a year plus deductible and copays and it is expected to go up in 2017 again.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 09:18:21
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Thu, 24 November 2016, 09:44:40
Insurance and healthcare is strangely expensive in USA it seems. It is nowhere as bad elsewhere. Not even 1/3 or 1/4 the cost.

There is a term used to describe artificially inflated GDP but I can't remember what it is. I can't help think that US GDP is 5-7% inflated by fake healthcare costs.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 24 November 2016, 10:21:19
why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-

he's not their president

Jan 20th, this thread is dead
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 10:27:57
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate both parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 24 November 2016, 10:53:55

Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?


Affordable Health Care has been a spectacular success by any metric that you apply to it.

The biggest problem was that the need and desire for it was so drastically underestimated and that it should have been a lot larger and more far-reaching than it was. Just look at the dismal failure of the states that opted to swim against the current (such as the state where I live) compared to the successes of the states that embraced it.

There will be many millions of extremely unhappy Americans when they finally recognize what "The Evil One" (aka Paul Ryan) has done to them.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 November 2016, 12:16:30


our family insurance is $4000 a month. 

That's the _good_ insurance.. hahahaha


Most people looking into obama care is getting the  really crummy insurance that only newbie Indian Doctors in sketchy run down areas take..

It's like none of the white doctors take obamacare..  hahahahaha


But it depends on the state and how they do it though..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 24 November 2016, 12:27:43
Thats part of the problem, many companies were taking hundreds of millions in losses and as a result they are no longer selling plans in certain markets and raising rates in others. This leaves people with less options and insurance companies with less competition. The whole Obamacare initiative has been a yuge situation of YMMV.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 November 2016, 12:51:38
Thats part of the problem, many companies were taking hundreds of millions in losses and as a result they are no longer selling plans in certain markets and raising rates in others. This leaves people with less options and insurance companies with less competition. The whole Obamacare initiative has been a yuge situation of YMMV.

Well... Obamacare is far more similar a movement to Universal Healthcare than Individual insurance sects praying on the poor and dinging medicaid.

It's the Beginning of a good thing..


Now, the Trump situation ,  He's not going to repel obamacare unless there's going to be something Equivalent OR Better..


You can't give people Something, then take it away..  It's like telling gays they can marry,   Then be like, Oh wait No, Changed my mind, Gay's can't marry now..



It's NOT a potential political move.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 24 November 2016, 14:05:10
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 17:17:17
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

You don't think that this is not obnoxious?

why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-

he's not their president
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 24 November 2016, 17:18:28
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

Of course you would your the triggered one
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 18:03:35
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 18:19:30
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

Of course you would your the triggered one
Triggered?   In what way? Like I said,  there are a few things that Trump can do that I view as a setback,  but all in all,  I'm not gloom and doom at him being in office.  The country has survived worse, and either way it was going to be a ****show IMO.

That's exactly what I was trying to say- he thinks I'm arguing the other side,  but couldn't be further from the truth.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 24 November 2016, 18:26:16
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

Of course you would your the triggered one
Triggered?   In what way? Like I said,  there are a few things that Trump can do that I view as a setback,  but all in all,  I'm not gloom and doom at him being in office.  The country has survived worse, and either way it was going to be a ****show IMO.

That's exactly what I was trying to say- he thinks I'm arguing the other side,  but couldn't be further from the truth.

I wouldnt bother. in the nicest way possible, i coulnt give a **** what you think. Your comments were mean considering they were directed at alienman and he has got to be the most pleasent and nicest person in this cespool.

Tl;dr no need to justify, i dont care.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 19:34:13
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 19:38:23
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 24 November 2016, 19:58:11
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:

Cool story bro  :thumb:

Didn't read.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 24 November 2016, 20:11:36
Political arguments are dangerous in the sense that they reveal deeply held beliefs reflected in who or what we support politically. They have more to do with challenging who people are, what they believe, and how they think, than actual politics.

Now, if political arguments were conducted as competing arguments supported by a factual analysis, research, and civil debate, they would not result in so many butthurt, angry individuals.
But our education system and culture has failed to foster such type of debate, and the anti-intellectual sentiment is strong.

By the way, the idea of right vs. left is simply designed to divide people that have mostly the same interests to gain their vote while the people we elect use our vote for their own purposes and gains.  It's a false duality designed to reduce the complexity of political arguments to appeal to our natural desire for false dualities.  When you start questioning the assumption that half of the voters are your opponent, you start to see the BS political system for what it is.

Happy Thanksgiving, fellow proles!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 20:47:56
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:

wait you were my secret santa?  Lol.  Sweet board indeed.  political discussions are a bit dangerous especially online.  I don't think of you as mean, but I don't believe you're central.  Maybe not a Hillary lover or a Trump lover, but you only argue against right ideas here, so I assume you are leaning left.

Not even.  I want government out of my finances and out of my life.  I think it should be small, and only used when needed in specific instances.  I hate the tax system, and would love something like a flat tax.  As a consultant, I spend too much of my time and money on taxes and accountants, when to incentivize foreign nationals, they reduce or eliminate tax liability of their businesses and income.  I hate the welfare system- it's turning us into a welfare state.  I could go on and on, and you'd see that specific things I argue against and for... not one way or the other, but based on that particular issue falls.  And with healthcare, having a mandate forces people to take on some of their own healthcare, and hopefully gets them to take better care of themselves rather than waiting until they have stage 4 cancer to go to the doctor, and thus putting more strain on the system.  That's why I support some kind of mandate.  The amount of money that hospitals lose from people not having insurance and coming to the ER is pretty criminal.  That's really the only thing I've argued here- unless I forget.  This is getting to be a pretty long thread LOL.  Given a choice between all candidates, my choice would have been more towards Ben Carson.  He had some really good ideas, and was pretty much torpedoed by the MSM.  I don't think he was the perfect candidate.  But given the field, I don't think you could really find one.

And just for the record, I was really trying to find out what you meant by stereotyping- I thought that came out of left field, and was wondering what I might have said to engender that remark.  But I don't think of anyone as ... anything, really from online discourse.  Even when trying to be real, people are different than they are in personal conversations- even when trying to be snarky or mean.  I think, in fact, especially during those times.

And I got as much as you did from it... I never knew anything about BS boards.  I mean, I knew about them... I had several long ago- just happened to come with the computers I was using.  But I didn't know anything about the internals or the types or that different years were important to the board.  Thanks to you for giving me that opportunity!  :)

But as I said above... Onward!  :thumb:

Political arguments are dangerous in the sense that they reveal deeply held beliefs reflected in who or what we support politically. They have more to do with challenging who people are, what they believe, and how they think, than actual politics.

Now, if political arguments were conducted as competing arguments supported by a factual analysis, research, and civil debate, they would not result in so many butthurt, angry individuals.
But our education system and culture has failed to foster such type of debate, and the anti-intellectual sentiment is strong.

By the way, the idea of right vs. left is simply designed to divide people that have mostly the same interests to gain their vote while the people we elect use our vote for their own purposes and gains.  It's a false duality designed to reduce the complexity of political arguments to appeal to our natural desire for false dualities.  When you start questioning the assumption that half of the voters are your opponent, you start to see the BS political system for what it is.

Happy Thanksgiving, fellow proles!

Preach!  I like to have conversations to learn, and help to enrich myself with other views - even opposing views.  But it doesn't seem that most people want to do that these days, now that we have forums to have such conversations.  And that's sad.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 24 November 2016, 23:15:24
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Thu, 24 November 2016, 23:34:18
People got mad paper in this place. Must be chill af.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 24 November 2016, 23:40:51
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:

Cool story bro  :thumb:

Didn't read.
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Wasn't for you, though you could have gotten something from it.  The right person read it.  :thumb:

Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion.  Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 25 November 2016, 00:00:44
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion.  Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.

..but it doesn't always work out that way.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 November 2016, 01:22:23
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.


No, Most political discussions go South,  because people don't have basic understanding of economics


If they'd only ask the simple questions,  who gets paid...   the rational reason behind every political motive becomes clear.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 25 November 2016, 07:46:08
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion.  Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.

..but it doesn't always work out that way.

I will agree with you there.  In fact, I think you could remove always, and say it doesn't work that way most of the time.  It's a rare online community where you can have discussions about religion, politics, etc., and have people mature enough to agree to disagree when the time comes with no acrimony, and only respect left at the end.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 25 November 2016, 08:22:49
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

Exactly. I've actually picked a few things from various political discussions on the Internet.  My main goal actually is to get others to challenge their assumptions and beliefs about the political system and the motivations of politicians.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 25 November 2016, 08:24:30

where you can have discussions about religion, politics, etc., and have people mature enough to agree to disagree when the time comes with no acrimony, and only respect


At some point the irreconcilable differences become impossible to resolve amicably.

For example, perhaps my most important core belief as a human being (and member of the human race and inhabitant of the Planet Earth) is that "we are all in this together" and that the health of the planetary system, as a whole, is the paramount mandate.

My perception is that people in general fall into categories of collaborators or predators, and that the collaborators are the "good guys" and the predators are the "bad guys" so these are moral distinctions, not intellectual ones.

Pure selfishness (the writings of TP4Tissue come to mind) seems to me to be the "animal instinct" that the ascent of humanity seeks to transcend.

Therefore, when I see and hear the plans and attitudes of Trump/Bannon/Pence and the rest of their cronies, I cannot feel anything but fear and loathing, much less acrimony, and there is absolutely nothing, whatsoever, that I see there that I could possibly "respect" on any level.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 25 November 2016, 09:54:16
Not impossible.  Maybe viewed as impossible, but I have a community that I go to where it happens, all the time.  And I have learned and gleaned so much from those conversations, and treasure the people on all sides of the issues.  Talking in an echo chamber is rarely as satisfying as those discourses, even with people that I vehemently disagree with.  And after years, I consider them as close to friends as anyone that I only have online interactions with will ever be.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:16:54

And I have learned and gleaned so much from those conversations, and treasure the people on all sides of the issues.


As a general observation, I would agree with you.
 
However, with regard to the future Trump presidency and its cabal of perpetrators, I have never heard any hint of substantive "dialogue" that raised my knowledge, awareness, or understanding of the world, nor have I detected any intent on their part to do so.

They love to pontificate on what they plan to do, but no explanations are ever forthcoming as to the "why" or how this will improve the condition of the country and the world.

The exchange of ideas occurs in the discussions and explanations, and these have been painfully conspicuous in their absence.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:21:07
Where my Trump caps at so I can smash some faces?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 25 November 2016, 11:01:13
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 25 November 2016, 11:28:37
Just don't watch Megyn Kelly lol
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 25 November 2016, 12:30:15

And I have learned and gleaned so much from those conversations, and treasure the people on all sides of the issues.


As a general observation, I would agree with you.
 
However, with regard to the future Trump presidency and its cabal of perpetrators, I have never heard any hint of substantive "dialogue" that raised my knowledge, awareness, or understanding of the world, nor have I detected any intent on their part to do so.

They love to pontificate on what they plan to do, but no explanations are ever forthcoming as to the "why" or how this will improve the condition of the country and the world.

The exchange of ideas occurs in the discussions and explanations, and these have been painfully conspicuous in their absence.

watch fox news for a week.  I double dare you

In my opinion, all MSM is pretty much the echo chamber that I talked about.  Talk radio used to be my way of getting news, but Neal Boortz is off the air, and I haven't been able to find a suitable replacement, and I can't get WSB where I moved, so I've had to move online to find anything.  I miss Royal Marshall from his show... RIP.  I love to listen to news where they are critical and analytical- and most (all) of the TV just has too much bias showing.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 25 November 2016, 13:30:13
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 25 November 2016, 15:31:36
Does he have an online presence that I can listen to?  Or is it just XM?  I've looked at XM and Sirius, but never actually subscribed to either :(
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 25 November 2016, 18:31:14
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 25 November 2016, 21:30:35

watch fox news for a week.  I double dare you


I have been subjected to that TV station at my father-in-law's house for the past few days.

It is the most mindless and inane pig**** that I have ever heard, even worse than it was in years past when I have heard it before.

Joseph Geobbels would be profoundly gratified.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 25 November 2016, 22:19:56
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 25 November 2016, 22:22:18
People still watch television?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 25 November 2016, 22:26:33
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 25 November 2016, 23:06:09
Non-holographic? Pleb.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 November 2016, 02:13:57
People still watch television?

i got cnbc/ bloomberg on most of the time.  Basically I'm paying $50 a month for these 2 channels.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sat, 26 November 2016, 02:35:43
cnn and fox are both ****
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 26 November 2016, 10:25:55
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 27 November 2016, 19:32:40

watch fox news for a week.  I double dare you


I have been subjected to that TV station at my father-in-law's house for the past few days.

It is the most mindless and inane pig**** that I have ever heard, even worse than it was in years past when I have heard it before.

Joseph Geobbels would be profoundly gratified.

well there isn't much I can stand on CNN...

It's basically every citizen best interest to not pay attention to television or radio "news", regardless of whether you think it supports your viewpoint.  All of these "news" sources are designed to capture a reliable audience so they can sell that viewership or listenership to advertisers and keep a steady profit.   They have very little interest in providing accurate news, great analysis, or generally quality journalism.  The level of analysis is rarely better than anything you can find a short article.  If you listen or watch these sources regularly, they invade your way into your brain and affect your way of thinking, often leaving you angry and hating on some Other or spacegoat.

Do yourself a favor and stop watching TV news, or listening to talk radio, and replace all that with reading long-form articles from sources that are not propaganda and still practice journalistic integrity.  You'll be more knowledgeable, improve your understanding and analysis of events, feel smarter, be able to have better discussions, and probably not be so pissed off at some Other.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 27 November 2016, 22:51:30
So about this recount......
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 28 November 2016, 06:56:35
So about this recount......

A recount is a legal, democratic process.  While I am a bit worried that billionaire and Democratic supportrr George Soros is potentially behind this, I hope the results do not significantly change as a testament to the accuracy of the process and to disprove bogus claims of widespread voter fraud.

What worries me more is that the president-elect makes wild, unsubstantiated claims on social media without any evidence whatsoever, tens of millions of Americans eat it up without questioning, and it's all used as a distraction from whatever nonsense he is doing in the meantime (e.g. more questionable Cabinet appointments).


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 28 November 2016, 07:22:08
The recount is ridiculous. It will be like the FBI, especially the 2nd time around: "Uh, sorry, still nothing there."

There are so many things that need attention: Russia, fake charities, countless violations of election law, innumerable conflicts of interest - before you even get to the true horribleness of what Ryan and his cronies plan to do that is in direct conflict with the will of 80% of the people of the country.

And it will take at least a couple of years for Trump's supporters to finally accept that he will not be bringing back any jobs.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 28 November 2016, 07:53:10
Yes, it's a distraction, that is for sure.  The cult of personality and culture is strong with some Trump supporters, I do not believe that if he does not deliver, his supporters will flee.  Listen to conservative TV, radio, and read the websites, and the whole purpose is to make people angry at liberals, the left, or whatever.  If you constantly expose yourself to that message, you will do anything to vote against the left, even if the people you vote for are con artists that use your support to advance their own interests.

Even if factories start magically reviving and popping up in the Rust Belt, they will be heavily automated with a fraction of the employees they used to employ and require skilled workers with proper training and education.  New factories are not a place where everybody and their brother can land a job and be thrown on the line with minimal training.

Believing that Trump can revive the dead and dying factory and farm towns of Middle America is akin to a a Hail Mary pass at the end of a football game.  It might work, but the odds are very slim.  I have lived here and traveled here my whole life, I've watched these places decline further even in my lifetime; they do not turnaround in four years.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Mon, 28 November 2016, 08:17:42

I have been subjected to that TV station at my father-in-law's house for the past few days.

It is the most mindless and inane pig**** that I have ever heard, even worse than it was in years past when I have heard it before.



Mr Digs, sorry for asking but I'm really surprised your father in law is still alive. I remember reading that you were the oldest member of this forum at 76 or 78 years old.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 November 2016, 08:39:09
OK...

New theory..


Trump hired Russian Hackers to Rig election Results ??
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 28 November 2016, 08:52:46

I remember reading that you were the oldest member of this forum


I ain't dead yet! I am actually extremely close to Liam Neeson and Dan Akyroyd in age, just for reference.

I keep asking whether anybody here is older than my 64-1/2, but nobody pipes up any more.

But yes, my father-in-law is an 83-year-old drug addict who has been suffering from dementia for years - seems like a typical Fox TV enthusiast to me.

http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/ (http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Mon, 28 November 2016, 08:59:43
But yes, my father-in-law is an 83-year-old drug addict who has been suffering from dementia for years - seems like a typical Fox TV enthusiast to me.

http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/ (http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/)

Were you joking about the drug addict part? I don't think someone who regularly shoots up could still be alive at 83.

I don't think Trump is as bad as the news media makes him look. Trump talks big but he doesn't have a record of invasions and foreign interventions unlike Hillary. I suspect a president Hillary would be very good at saying the right thing to the media, but would continue the policies of invasions and bombings that I dislike so much.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Mon, 28 November 2016, 09:23:53
There are so many things that need attention: Russia
Leave us alone.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 28 November 2016, 10:15:09
But yes, my father-in-law is an 83-year-old drug addict who has been suffering from dementia for years - seems like a typical Fox TV enthusiast to me.

http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/ (http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/)

Were you joking about the drug addict part? I don't think someone who regularly shoots up could still be alive at 83.

I don't think Trump is as bad as the news media makes him look. Trump talks big but he doesn't have a record of invasions and foreign interventions unlike Hillary. I suspect a president Hillary would be very good at saying the right thing to the media, but would continue the policies of invasions and bombings that I dislike so much.

And that the describes the major dilemma of the election for many people.

Trump is as bad as he makes himself out to be.  The latest is claims of widespread voter fraud via Twitter without any evidence whatsoever.  So he tweets conspiracy theories on social media like your idiot relatives or friends from high school, probably to distract from more substantive issues with his transition. Your next president, people.

What scares me the most is all the historians that describe the similarities between the current political climate with our elected/appointed officials and previous governments that have lurched towards autocracy.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Mon, 28 November 2016, 11:03:36

What scares me the most is all the historians that describe the similarities between the current political climate with our elected/appointed officials and previous governments that have lurched towards autocracy.

Hillary won't have become a dictator, but that is because she is too indebted to the many parties that have supported her. Such as big businesses, the Washington elite, foreign politicians, minority interests. These people will also make it hard for her to pursue an independent policy freed from old baggage.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: captsis on Mon, 28 November 2016, 14:34:47
i took a break from GH for a month and thread is tl;dr. Summary? is GH ****ting itself over trump? I know I was.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 November 2016, 14:38:14
i took a break from GH for a month and thread is tl;dr. Summary? is GH ****ting itself over trump? I know I was.

No..

hillary camp still peeved..

And now recount
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: captsis on Mon, 28 November 2016, 14:52:31
i took a break from GH for a month and thread is tl;dr. Summary? is GH ****ting itself over trump? I know I was.

No..

hillary camp still peeved..

And now recount

LOL'd at recount. Wasn't that what Trump was saying hed do if hed lost? vivalarevolución makes a good point.


And that the describes the major dilemma of the election for many people.

Trump is as bad as he makes himself out to be.  The latest is claims of widespread voter fraud via Twitter without any evidence whatsoever.  So he tweets conspiracy theories on social media like your idiot relatives or friends from high school, probably to distract from more substantive issues with his transition. Your next president, people.

What scares me the most is all the historians that describe the similarities between the current political climate with our elected/appointed officials and previous governments that have lurched towards autocracy.


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I of course think that the media's caricature of trump is probably a bit overblown. However I agree that Trump's image depends on how he makes it. There was an interesting thread on Reddit saying that Trump's campaign/public image is outlined in entirety in Ahe Art of the Deal. Basically that any publicity good or bad is good pablicity. I'm not really a Trump supporter but I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 28 November 2016, 17:36:47

I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something


With the foaming-at-the-mouth crazies all around him, he might well stumble into it, however, even if he doesn't "declare" it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 28 November 2016, 18:29:34
What movies do you think Trump will request during his term? At least we can get a little bit of insight from the feature flicks of the president-elect
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 November 2016, 18:41:03

I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something


With the foaming-at-the-mouth crazies all around him, he might well stumble into it, however, even if he doesn't "declare" it.


why does that matter to you.. you're already a million years old.. they won't send u to war.. hahahahaha...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 28 November 2016, 18:53:43

I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something


With the foaming-at-the-mouth crazies all around him, he might well stumble into it, however, even if he doesn't "declare" it.


why does that matter to you.. you're already a million years old.. they won't send u to war.. hahahahaha...

That doesn't mean he wouldn't potentially have loved ones serving during a war regarding something only the gods would know about
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Mon, 28 November 2016, 18:55:26
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 November 2016, 19:00:48

I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something


With the foaming-at-the-mouth crazies all around him, he might well stumble into it, however, even if he doesn't "declare" it.


why does that matter to you.. you're already a million years old.. they won't send u to war.. hahahahaha...

That doesn't mean he wouldn't potentially have loved ones serving during a war regarding something only the gods would know about


But fohat will expire well before the worst of --The War-- (2-3 years into one).  so no matter what,  one can not intervene when the worst comes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Mon, 28 November 2016, 21:11:27
Tp4 roasting Fohat, but we all know Tp4 much older
(https://southsudanmedicaljournal.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chinese-beard1.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: captsis on Mon, 28 November 2016, 21:17:58
Tp4 roasting Fohat, but we all know Tp4 much older
Show Image
(https://southsudanmedicaljournal.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chinese-beard1.jpg)


your avatar makes this so much more funny
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 November 2016, 23:28:21
Tp4 roasting Fohat, but we all know Tp4 much older
Show Image
(https://southsudanmedicaljournal.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chinese-beard1.jpg)


your avatar makes this so much more funny

Tp4 am quite old in the head..  I feel fohat's outlook is much younger than my own.. On the forums, he's demonstrated child-like naivety and fervently unrealistic optimism..

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/lol1-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862512)

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 29 November 2016, 08:10:54
Here's an interesting perspective on where Trump might be going with all the constant blatent lies.  Basically, don't fool yourself into thinking this presidency is about anything more than power, control, adulation, and self advancement.  He will throw out a few bones to keep the populist appeal, but that is a deliberate strategy to maintain support and power.  He uses classic political strategy, but to a greater degree than what I have seen before in this country, and only read about in other countries.

https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.w57ggf4jk

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 29 November 2016, 09:31:08
Here's an interesting perspective on where Trump might be going with all the constant blatent lies.  Basically, don't fool yourself into thinking this presidency is about anything more than power, control, adulation, and self advancement.  He will throw out a few bones to keep the populist appeal, but that is a deliberate strategy to maintain support and power.  He uses classic political strategy, but to a greater degree than what I have seen before in this country, and only read about in other countries.

https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.w57ggf4jk





Saying something has nothing to do with what has been said,  rather it has everything to do with the desired OUTCOME of having said what's been said.

THE ENDS always justify the means..

The intelligent will teach this in the opposite to placate an uprising of the lesser.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:02:30
Here's an interesting perspective on where Trump might be going with all the constant blatent lies.  Basically, don't fool yourself into thinking this presidency is about anything more than power, control, adulation, and self advancement.  He will throw out a few bones to keep the populist appeal, but that is a deliberate strategy to maintain support and power.  He uses classic political strategy, but to a greater degree than what I have seen before in this country, and only read about in other countries.

https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.w57ggf4jk





Saying something has nothing to do with what has been said,  rather it has everything to do with the desired OUTCOME of having said what's been said.

THE ENDS always justify the means..

The intelligent will teach this in the opposite to placate an uprising of the lesser.

You seem to be using the methodology, because what you said makes no sense.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 29 November 2016, 19:59:45
(http://i.imgur.com/gGw6nGv.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 15 December 2016, 22:17:29
So Obama is having a press conference tomorrow....word on the street is he will be announcing a delay in the transition to President-Elect Trump because of the Russian hacking :eek:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 15 December 2016, 22:44:43
Here's an interesting perspective on where Trump might be going with all the constant blatent lies.  Basically, don't fool yourself into thinking this presidency is about anything more than power, control, adulation, and self advancement.  He will throw out a few bones to keep the populist appeal, but that is a deliberate strategy to maintain support and power.  He uses classic political strategy, but to a greater degree than what I have seen before in this country, and only read about in other countries.

https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.w57ggf4jk





Saying something has nothing to do with what has been said,  rather it has everything to do with the desired OUTCOME of having said what's been said.

THE ENDS always justify the means..

The intelligent will teach this in the opposite to placate an uprising of the lesser.

You seem to be using the methodology, because what you said makes no sense.



When someone asks,  Does this shirt make me look fat..


YOUR choice of the CORRECT answer is dependent upon the desired outcome ONLY.


The answer could either be Yes or No.   None of the solutions need to be the TRUTH of whether the shirt is fattening.. It can be...  but it DOES NOT HAVE to be..


What if your desired outcome is to get free cheese, because this person's father owns a cheese shop, and appeasing this person's insecurity is a sure way to get cheese..


Well, then Yes or No, has no meaning relative to what's been ask or what you've replied..


The goal is CHEESE..  By whatever means necessary..



The point is.. it doesn't matter what you SAY or DO,  as long as you're on track to get what you want..


In that way.. Trump won..  it's that simple..  He did it HIS WAY..   


Vegetables are fertilized with poo.. but such material can still end up in a 5`star restaurant commanding a premium..



Anything can be anything.. as long as the goal is on track and clear
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 22:45:24
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 15 December 2016, 22:51:38
ray why did you have to bump this T_T

¯\(°_o)/¯
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 15 December 2016, 22:53:10
ray why did you have to bump this T_T

¯\(°_o)/¯

The thing about russian hacking is..


No one said you couldn't use Russian hacking to win the presidency..


If anything.. that's resourcefulness,  on top of improving international Relations..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 16 December 2016, 09:12:40
I'm really afraid for the world right now.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 16 December 2016, 11:20:58
I'm really afraid for the world right now.

Me too. I never thought that it could ever even happen at all, but this is turning out far worse than I would have imagined it could.

The idea that he would select the biggest fattest ugliest alligators in the country to populate his swamp should not be surprising since he is a pathological liar and only cares about wealthy people, but the White Supremacist/Radical Religious thing really blindsided me. During the campaign I thought that he was just talking that trash to stir up the haters.

There are more than enough smoking guns to derail his ascent: campaign law violations, conflicts of interest, foreign money, lawsuits, ineligible appointments, Putin, security breaches, the list could go on. But who is there to initiate and follow through with the process?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 16 December 2016, 11:40:01
I'm really afraid for the world right now.

Me too. I never thought that it could ever even happen at all, but this is turning out far worse than I would have imagined it could.

The idea that he would select the biggest fattest ugliest alligators in the country to populate his swamp should not be surprising since he is a pathological liar and only cares about wealthy people, but the White Supremacist/Radical Religious thing really blindsided me. During the campaign I thought that he was just talking that trash to stir up the haters.

There are more than enough smoking guns to derail his ascent: campaign law violations, conflicts of interest, foreign money, lawsuits, ineligible appointments, Putin, security breaches, the list could go on. But who is there to initiate and follow through with the process?




That's ridiculous..

What you are blinded by is not the Trump Reality..

It's the candy coated one you've lived in your whole life.

EVERY person of power work through lots and lots of MUCK,  to get to where they are, and to stay where they are..

There's never been any exception to this..



As for racism..  our biology makes us naturally "racist" to some degree, through kin-selection..

More or less would then later depend on intellect and purpose..


The majority of nazis didn't think they were better than jews, or that jews were somehow different but the party at the time needed someone to blame to unite the public.


It's unlikely this would happen again in that fashion, because hey America needs all the soldiers it can produce..



Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 16 December 2016, 13:52:23
So Obama is having a press conference tomorrow....word on the street is he will be announcing a delay in the transition to President-Elect Trump because of the Russian hacking :eek:

Thanks for bumping the thread.  Let's get the band back togrther!

I'm assuming that means the inauguration date would be moved back, which is unconstitutional.  It would cause an uproar.  Check out the 20th amendment.   (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxx)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Fri, 16 December 2016, 14:00:29
As for racism..  our biology makes us naturally "racist" to some degree, through kin-selection..

This is true.  Black women won't give us white men a chance.  It's not our fault we're not hung like a horse! :(
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 16 December 2016, 14:33:37
Obama confirms trump won fair and square. We can move on now.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 16 December 2016, 14:37:18
Obama confirms trump won fair and square. We can move on now.

I could've told ya'll that from the beginning.. hahahahahaha

EVEN if the Russians WERE hacking, and made the 100% difference that Trump won..


We as a NATION could never ADMIT, that our system was compromise by foreign government..

Think of the consequences..


The most POWERFUL Democracy spending UNLIMITED tax-Dollars funding the NSA.. Lost to RUSSIANS.


(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/hehe-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 16 December 2016, 15:18:24
Obama confirms trump won fair and square. We can move on now.

No, Obama confirmed that the voting and counting process proceeded mechanically as it should have.

Foreign intervention and deceit of the electorate is hardly "fair" even if it might conceivably be described as "square"
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 16 December 2016, 15:29:35
Obama confirms trump won fair and square. We can move on now.

No, Obama confirmed that the voting and counting process proceeded mechanically as it should have.

Foreign intervention and deceit of the electorate is hardly "fair" even if it might conceivably be described as "square"


That's narrow sighted..

What is foreign influence..

Countries are not isolate entities.  They're a cohesive function that we compartmentalize out of convenience.



Hacking is just as legit a political strategy if it works..


The next president will have a better hacking / digital security team..



That's just how we move forward..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 16 December 2016, 16:20:13
The amount of times that the United States has intervened in the elections and politics of other countries is basically off the charts, whether by force or covertly.  Now all of our politicians are getting their panties in a bunch because some other country may have finally influenced our election.  Bunch of hypocrites, we are.

 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Fri, 16 December 2016, 16:49:07
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 16 December 2016, 18:23:02
The amount of times that the United States has intervened in the elections and politics of other countries is basically off the charts, whether by force or covertly.  Now all of our politicians are getting their panties in a bunch because some other country may have finally influenced our election.  Bunch of hypocrites, we are.

The Democrats are always portraying themselves as good guys, but it seems all the hating so far has been on Trump. The news is totally one sided and very fanatical and alarmist.

Also, the Democrats haven't tried to win over the Trump supporters. Democrats seem to keep dismissing their concerns and are happy to stereotype them as a bunch of racist hicks. If New York is doing well, they don't care about Wisconsin and Pennsylvania's bad economy. These guys can starve or go to hell.

Hating on white working people is also racism, but Democrats refuse to accept that. To them white people are only privileged racists, and never victims.

The Democrats haven't shown any more respect for the Republicans than the other way round. They don't want to accept that in many people's eyes, homosexuality and transexuality is wrong. If you took a world vote, most people everywhere would say no to gays. Including the Arab Muslims and Catholic Mexicans that democrats love.

So when democrats want to impose their gay rights on Republicans, Republicans find it unpalatable. The same would go for many other policies that Democrats like and Republicans hate. For example, amnesty for 11 million illegal immigrants, unlimited entry to Muslims, taking in millions of Syrians, that kind of stuff. Most countries in the world would think that is totally crazy. Even Saudi Arabia is very restrictive on Muslim entry and doesn't accept any Syrian refugees. Now Democrats love that, that's fine. But if people who share your country object, I don't think it makes them monsters and madmen. If you start shouting Fascist and Racist at them, eventually they tune you out and only appoint their own people to political posts who ignore everything you say.

Because Democrats have created so much hysteria and lowered expectations so much, as long as Trump doesn't start a nuclear war on 20 January 2017 he will already be better than what most Democrats claim and everyone should be happy.

I wasn't referencing the Democrats in particular, as many Republicans have voiced their concerns with the alleged Russian hacking.

By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, you basically are doing the same thing as the people you are criticizing.  That does not make for a very convincing or effective argument.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 16 December 2016, 18:42:56
Just when I thought this thread died  :-\
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 16 December 2016, 20:08:04
The amount of times that the United States has intervened in the elections and politics of other countries is basically off the charts, whether by force or covertly.  Now all of our politicians are getting their panties in a bunch because some other country may have finally influenced our election.  Bunch of hypocrites, we are.

 



Who influences whom is merely a matter of Perspective..


The earth revolves around the sun.. Yes,  but the solar system goes around the giant black hole at the center of our galaxy..

So, is the sun making us do what we do,  or is it the black hole..



Everything that YOU BELIEVE exists in the middle,  and that belief has so little to do with what actually happens,  because everything outside of belief is so many orders of magnitude larger.



There is no true Unity of Aim outside of universal laws such as entropy..

We are not yet at capacity to talk about decisions..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 16 December 2016, 20:09:52
Also, the Democrats haven't tried to win over the Trump supporters. Democrats seem to keep dismissing their concerns and are happy to stereotype them as a bunch of racist hicks.
The election is over. Time to move on.
The Democrats will have learned their lesson in four years.

The big issue now is: how much damage can Trump and his administration of hardline warmongers and climate deniers do before that?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 16 December 2016, 20:40:13
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 16 December 2016, 21:22:26
There is nothing funny about that. I am being dead serious. We are facing the hardest, biggest challenge in the history of mankind - the very real possibility of the destruction of the biosphere that we depend on, that sustains us,  that everything we have is based on, without we have nothing, and the US president elect - the most powerful man in the world, is a giant douche going the wrong way.

That is not left or right. That is a fact.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 16 December 2016, 21:34:47
It's so cool when people use "left" and "right" to throw shade on another person's perspective. Why bother thinking beyond simple binaries? Like, shut up and pour me another glass of that Corpis Christi tap water... All I understand is some simple formulaic single-minded ideology.

Cleaning up the planet and ensuring the human species has a future in this universe is sooooo left, what dweeb. Who would be concerned about that?

Edit- This is sarcasm by the way.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 16 December 2016, 21:39:19
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 16 December 2016, 21:41:07

There is nothing funny


True that.

The 26% of eligible US voters who propelled the Orange Hitler into office may have (the jury is still out, of course, and it will take months or years or decades to know) precipitated a set of global disasters of colossal magnitude on multiple fronts.

We can only hope that the Einstein quote proves true.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 16 December 2016, 21:44:19
There is nothing funny about that. I am being dead serious. We are facing the hardest, biggest challenge in the history of mankind - the very real possibility of the destruction of the biosphere that we depend on, that sustains us,  that everything we have is based on, without we have nothing, and the US president elect - the most powerful man in the world, is a giant douche going the wrong way.

That is not left or right. That is a fact.


You guys are being childish.

It's not the PRESIDENT doing all these things..


It's all of us.. Driving everywhere.. eating animals at every meal.. playing video games..  Using cellphones.. 


Just as HE did not cause these problems,  He himself is also not the solution..


You want to change.. make money.. buy into political office.. Change..



Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 16 December 2016, 21:56:41
There is nothing funny

True that.

The 26% of eligible US voters who propelled the Orange Hitler into office may have (the jury is still out, of course, and it will take months or years or decades to know) precipitated a set of global disasters of colossal magnitude on multiple fronts.

We can only hope that the Einstein quote proves true.

Can we not try to leverage this backwards logic? If reversed, it can also be said that only ~26.6% of eligible US voters voted for Hillary Clinton. While I am at it, might as well throw a half-assed claim that her victory in popular vote was entirely decided by the state of California.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 16 December 2016, 22:08:03
It's so inconvenient to have to face up to the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in the history of the nation. But, yeah, it was only all those welfare-check havin' beatniks in California. All 2.9 million of them (and rising). Who cares about the will of the people anyway? This is America.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 16 December 2016, 22:26:25
It's so inconvenient to have to face up to the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in the history of the nation. But, yeah, it was only all those welfare-check havin' beatniks in California. All 2.9 million of them (and rising). Who cares about the will of the people anyway? This is America.

It's the largest margin by anyone that has lost the electoral college.  Get your facts straight.
.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 16 December 2016, 22:28:21
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Fri, 16 December 2016, 22:46:35
Politics bring out the worst in people.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 16 December 2016, 23:02:26


It's so inconvenient to have to face up to the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in the history of the nation. But, yeah, it was only all those welfare-check havin' beatniks in California. All 2.9 million of them (and rising). Who cares about the will of the people anyway? This is America.

This is the United STATES of America.  The Electoral College isn't perfect but it does give more fair representation to states with smaller populations and balances out the distribution of popular votes. I can see the argument with swing states possibly deciding an election but the popular vote largely favors urban areas. Also, the statement about California was largely sarcastic. There are a million "what-ifs" but even having every California voter be pro-Hillary, the electoral results would still be the same and there would be a ~4 million vote swing for Clinton.

@Alienman82 I have tried to chill out since the election and the last time this thread was bumped :)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ygor on Fri, 16 December 2016, 23:07:53
It's the largest margin by anyone that has lost the electoral college.  Get your facts straight.
.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin

The Compromise of 1877 really was something.

This is the United STATES of America.

The War of Northern Aggression ended in 1865, homie.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Fri, 16 December 2016, 23:21:49
no point
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 17 December 2016, 03:21:32

By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing. 

All I needed was for you to admit this.

I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.

I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.

Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.

This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.

After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.

New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.

If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.

Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.

In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.

So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?

I like your energy
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 December 2016, 04:21:22

By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing. 

All I needed was for you to admit this.

I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.

I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.

Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.

This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.

After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.

New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.

If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.

Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.

In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.

So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?

I like your energy

Lies.. you didn't read it..

Just like I don't read this stuff.....

Because they're dim witted enough to post in such length on the internet.

That is clear indication of their low intelligence, and comprehension of the medium..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 17 December 2016, 05:06:47

By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing. 

All I needed was for you to admit this.

I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.

I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.

Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.

This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.

After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.

New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.

If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.

Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.

In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.

So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?

I like your energy

Lies.. you didn't read it..

Just like I don't read this stuff.....

Because they're dim witted enough to post in such length on the internet.

That is clear indication of their low intelligence, and comprehension of the medium..

I love you
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 17 December 2016, 07:20:37

By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing. 

All I needed was for you to admit this.

I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.

I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.

Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.

This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.

After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.

New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.

If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.

Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.

In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.

So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?

I did not admit anything, I only made an observation about your statements.  You really just like to push your viewpoints about how much you don't like Hillary and the Democrats.

But your strategy is effective, you're basically making stuff up or distorting facts to push your viewpoint, which makes an actual discussion impossible.  Unfortunately, this style of argument is quite popular these days and many people are entranced by it.  A consequence of an era in which we are so saturated with information, that the truth can be glossed as we move on to the next topic that justifies our viewpoints.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 17 December 2016, 07:22:37


It's so inconvenient to have to face up to the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in the history of the nation. But, yeah, it was only all those welfare-check havin' beatniks in California. All 2.9 million of them (and rising). Who cares about the will of the people anyway? This is America.

This is the United STATES of America.  The Electoral College isn't perfect but it does give more fair representation to states with smaller populations and balances out the distribution of popular votes. I can see the argument with swing states possibly deciding an election but the popular vote largely favors urban areas. Also, the statement about California was largely sarcastic. There are a million "what-ifs" but even having every California voter be pro-Hillary, the electoral results would still be the same and there would be a ~4 million vote swing for Clinton.

@Alienman82 I have tried to chill out since the election and the last time this thread was bumped :)

I hear this viewpoint about the electoral college quite a bit, and it is a falsehood.  The electoral college allows the parties to craft their platforms to appeal to a small subset of swing voters in 10 or less states because those are the voters that decide elections these days.  Trump did a better of job of that this time around.  I recommend checking out the two videos below and let them do the explaining.

Basically the vote of a person is not influential if they did not vote for the winner of a state.  A popular vote allows votes that are not in the majority in a state to influence the election, including within small states.  Perhaps voter turnout would be higher with a popular vote, as people might feel their vote will matter more.  The Republican Party has won ONE popular vote since 1992 (W in 2004).  Seven elections, one popular vote win.  They know that they cannot win anymore without gerrymandering, without the electoral college, without low voter turnout, without swing states.  But facts don't matter anymore, so why do I bother.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 17 December 2016, 08:33:50

Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters


Like lying to them about getting jobs for them while simultaneously taking away their Social Security and Affordable Health Care?

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 December 2016, 08:56:16

Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters


Like lying to them about getting jobs for them while simultaneously taking away their Social Security and Affordable Health Care?





The collapse of welfare is due to the fact that America can no longer dominate CREDIT..

This is a flaw inherent in fiat,   Not a one off choice by any politician.



For the last 50 years,  America produced things that could not be made any where else...

That made the difference...


Now it's much harder when everyone's learned our stuff..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 20 January 2017, 21:30:36
The entire inauguration felt like a goddamn church sermon, how many ****ing times do they need to bring up God and have yet another decrepit out of touch cardinal or priest talk more religious sanctimonious bull****?
And what the actual **** is with his cabinet choices? It's like the League Of Evil over here, this is absurd and surreal the rogues gallery that is being put into power right now.

What a complete ****show this entire election was from both sides: Dems putting up a completely unlikable robot criminal, and the Reps putting up a racist misogynist with zero political experience. Then one wins by literally rigging the election process and everyone is just cool with it. Absolutely absurd, and yet all the upset people still just sit around with their thumbs up their asses not doing **** to change anything. Just roll over and ****ing die America.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 20 January 2017, 21:37:55
Why do people act like selecting the lesser of 2 evils is not a supremely important act of choice?

If one choice is even slightly better, it is imperative that you take it!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 20 January 2017, 21:41:42
The entire inauguration felt like a goddamn church sermon, how many ****ing times do they need to bring up God and have yet another decrepit out of touch cardinal or priest talk more religious sanctimonious bull****?
And what the actual **** is with his cabinet choices? It's like the League Of Evil over here, this is absurd and surreal the rogues gallery that is being put into power right now.

What a complete ****show this entire election was from both sides: Dems putting up a completely unlikable robot criminal, and the Reps putting up a racist misogynist with zero political experience. Then one wins by literally rigging the election process and everyone is just cool with it. Absolutely absurd, and yet all the upset people still just sit around with their thumbs up their asses not doing **** to change anything. Just roll over and ****ing die America.

I was waiting for someone to revive this thread today. Voted for the guy, but damn it will be a whole lot easier if these next four years aren't a continual ****-show.

Why do people act like selecting the lesser of 2 evils is not a supremely important act of choice?

If one choice is even slightly better, it is imperative that you take it!

First time I have agreed with Fohat within this thread.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 20 January 2017, 21:55:10
First presidential speech I've listened to in ~8yrs.

My favorite part of the day had to be W. and his poncho.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Fri, 20 January 2017, 21:56:17
cant wait for justin to let trump ruin our logging and milling industry
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:01:21
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:05:09
stop bumping this thread.

He won.. that's it.

Here's his victory dance

(http://i.imgur.com/HA9I9AI.gif)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:07:29
stop bumping this thread.

He won.. that's it.
I'm allowed to express my opinion my dude, all i hope is trump doesnt go through with the free trade thing otherwise hes going to put my father out of a job that hes had for a long time and get rid of an opening of a job for myself in the future after i recover from cancer, and my mom is disabled so she cant work either.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:13:44
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:15:18
ive ignored it. i kinda think trump is a big ol weenie.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:19:33
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:40:47

 [A]ll i hope is trump doesnt go through with the free trade thing otherwise hes going to put my father out of a job that hes had for a long time and get rid of an opening of a job for myself in the future after i recover from cancer, and my mom is disabled so she cant work either.

I understand your concern. I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office. The so-called forgotten men and women Trump spoke to were tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations, while they heard pontifications about the unemployment rate dropping to record lows; numbers that don't account for those who finally gave up and left the workforce.



I was waiting for someone to revive this thread today.


Ha! We know it was coming, didn't we?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 21 January 2017, 08:00:45

tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations


Precisely the things that Trump has absolutely no power to change, even if he had the will to do so.

The forces of globalization have been entrenched since the 1970s, and have continue to escalate and accelerate. Slapping protectionist and isolationist policies on US trade now will be counterproductive in the extreme. The only way to slow or reverse the flow of money and jobs out of the US would be to incentivize keeping them here. Unfortunately, most of the damage has long since been done, and you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: daerid on Sat, 21 January 2017, 08:49:20
I understand your concern. I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office. The so-called forgotten men and women Trump spoke to were tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations, while they heard pontifications about the unemployment rate dropping to record lows; numbers that don't account for those who finally gave up and left the workforce.

Unfortunately, although he might be able to bring some of those jobs back, the march of progress won't be stopped. The vast majority of those jobs weren't lost to outsourcing or foreign companies, but rather automation.
And that's going to increase. If Middle America thinks it's been hit hard already, they ain't seen nothing yet. We're going to see a loss of jobs here to AI in the next 8-10 years that will be staggering.

For the people that voted for him, Trump is a tourniquet. But (to continue the metaphor), the bleeding can't be stopped, only slowed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 21 January 2017, 11:11:05

the bleeding can't be stopped, only slowed.


Meanwhile Ryan and Pence will be doing everything in their power to strip away Social Security, Medicare, and all other forms of health and social relief, while DeVos eviscerates the educational system and Wall Street is freed to run amok again.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abjr on Sat, 21 January 2017, 12:06:57
And what the actual **** is with his cabinet choices? It's like the League Of Evil over here, this is absurd and surreal the rogues gallery that is being put into power right now.

And these are the exact same types of people he derided Clinton for taking money from. Billionaires and Wall Street insiders. He's not draining the swamp he's actively plugging the drain so more crap floats to the top.

I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office.

No to split hairs, but the people didn't. The States did. Neither candidate got the majority, with Trump not even getting the plurality.

He might be easier to stomach if he could learn to exhibit a little bit of decorum. Not holding my breath.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 21 January 2017, 13:46:35
Muahahahahahahahahahhaa
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 21 January 2017, 14:54:11
TBF, Mattis is one of the best people to have as SoD.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:09:53
TBF, Mattis is one of the best people to have as SoD.

I have a few buddies in the Marines, not all were Trump supporters but all of them seemed pretty pumped about that.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:23:49
Although the Constitution was structured to ensure civilian oversight of the military, you need look no further than Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz to see that Republican appointments tend to be ideological-based rather than experience-based.

Although I am no hawk, I do believe that the military knows and understands the military better than civilians do, in general. And, although they may always strive to "win" they are nonetheless more mindful of limitations and reality. And also, cognizant of the horrors of violating international conventions such as prohibitions against torture.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:29:25
He'll certainly be the most experienced person in their position in the cabinet  :))
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:53:55

most experienced


Unless time spent contradicting, fighting, damaging, short-circuiting, and circumventing the department in question counts as "experience"
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 22 January 2017, 18:42:40
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.

That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes.  Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.

The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President.  Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.

Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.

Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it.  We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening?  Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.

First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing.  Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sek1ne on Sun, 22 January 2017, 19:31:54
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.

That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes.  Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.

The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President.  Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.

Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.

Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it.  We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening?  Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.

First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing.  Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.

This is some straight up crazy talk, "most americans" voted against Trump. There were protests when Obama won and people continued to harass him for the duration of his presidency over being a "secret muslim" or Kenyan and that he was going to take away everyone's guns. There is no extreme leftist conspiracy at work here. Trump has in the very recent past made extremely sexist remarks and in the more distant past fought to keep literal institutionalized racism in place. His cabinet have already come out and yelled at the media and when presented with facts they shouted over people and then presented what they called "alternative facts". Facts are facts in that there is no alternative. Hillary was a terrible candidate and she lost, there is no point in arguing about it. What you can do is make sure to constantly remind the current president what the people of his country want from him. You do this by protesting, talking to your elected representatives and so on, it's a normal part of democracy. He can continue to act as president as the protest will literally not interfere with his operations from the whitehouse, it's not like they're in the living room. Part of being a head of state is constantly bearing whatever criticism people have and then continuig on to do your duty as head of that state. If you are unable to bear that sort of criticism and level of attention on everything you do do not sign up for the job.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abjr on Sun, 22 January 2017, 19:49:24
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.

That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes.  Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.

The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President.  Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.

Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.

Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it.  We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening?  Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.

First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing.  Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:26:15
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..


and what is it about starbucks that makes anarchists want to trash them???   If it was still open would have been a good place to get a beverage / and or pee during said protest...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:40:10
DAVE IS HELPING
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:48:25
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..


and what is it about starbucks that makes anarchists want to trash them???   If it was still open would have been a good place to get a beverage / and or pee during said protest...

And do you not think it's ironic that he's now filling his cabinet with those coastal elites?

Starbucks is seen as an icon of capitalism. It's a natural first target by so called anarchists.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:04:33
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:09:35
nick get out of here, UK people can't vote for USA president, and you can't get beef jerky either!

Only one of those things is true.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:14:49
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..

This is the widespread reality of America.

The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally.  They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.

The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump.  Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership.  Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs  ;) .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:15:32

And do you not think it's ironic that he's now filling his cabinet with those coastal elites?

Starbucks is seen as an icon of capitalism. It's a natural first target by so called anarchists.


talk about looting against self interest.. NOW WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PEE !!!


I mean ... I am non partisan.. tending to be sort of conservative however honestly... I get what you are saying about Trumps cabinet.. but I also get why people in Middle America voted for an anti Establishment (in theory guy).   Now whether he screws them over, now that he is in office remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:19:07
Now whether he screws them over, now that he is in office remains to be seen.

Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser and he was there for 8 Years  8) .

The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:21:55
It's funny when you talk about Hillary voters doing what the elites told them to do, and yet Trump and Wilbur Ross's combined net worths alone are over $6.5b.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 22 January 2017, 22:33:02
It's funny when you talk about Hillary voters doing what the elites told them to do, and yet Trump and Wilbur Ross's combined net worths alone are over $6.5b.

The difference here is that Hillary, like a true parasitic swampie, accumulated millions through her fake charity organizations run by her and her husband.  Donations handed to her from all sorts of who's who in monster regimes around the globe which you can personally look up easily if you want a detailed listing on the net.  So before we start climbing the high horse and praising one side higher than the other, it still remains that Trump has taken the Presidency for only THREE days.

Decent thing here is to wait till November 2020 before starting to make any possible comparisons because you need to wait for the incoming President to wipe clean most of the previous mess achieved under his predecessor, before he can start rebuilding the United States again from scratch.

The best thing would be to rebuild the infrastructure which has collapsed under previous incumbents which didn't care if bridges failed or roads fell apart.  Instead of pumping out tax payer trillions to foreign regime changes and terrorists, start to really care for Americans on home soil.  I liked his statement that all countries can look after themselves here and don't need the US to support them at all, first American President that said that in 40 years that I could ever remember.  This is what will make him a great leader for his people instead another moron wanting to overthrow elected foreign countries for fun and enjoyment and reaping the rewards of global disintegration.

All Trump has to do is channel most of the tax payer funding to re-building the United States which has been left to rot and decay everywhere throughout this great nation, also to start repaying the trillions of dollars in debt accrued by previous parasites over the last 40 years.  Why be a First World Power when millions are without jobs and there isn't any hope for the future?

That should be the NUMBER one job for any American President to help his people FIRST, that has been missing for such a long time now.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 22 January 2017, 22:53:55
Uhuhhhhh... And the billions earned by Trump has all been legitimate? The multiple business bankruptcies causing the loss of countless thousands of jobs hasn't contributed to the issues created under former "parasites"? No tax returns available for the last 18 years which is unheard of in the history of the presidency?

Trump is not the anti-establishment, wrecking ball to the system, breath of fresh air you think he's going to be. All the people who like to influence votes with the money they have spent on various peoples campaigns can now just leapfrog over those in the house of representatives and go straight to their buddy in the Oval Office.

I for one hope he doesn't **** up everyone's health care, destroy the environment or cause some massive international diplomatic incident, because I quite like the world that I live in. I wish him all the best, but it doesn't mean those people who didn't vote for him can't voice their frustrations against him. I abhor violent civil disobedience for any cause, but protesting is the people's right.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:04:14

All Trump has to do is channel most of the tax payer funding to re-building the United States which has been left to rot and decay everywhere throughout this great nation, also to start repaying the trillions of dollars in debt accrued by previous parasites over the last 40 years.  Why be a First World Power when millions are without jobs and there isn't any hope for the future?

That should be the NUMBER one job for any American President to help his people FIRST, that has been missing for such a long time now.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

You might want to do some fact checking before touting your statistics.

Also, the United States is more like a cruise ship than a speed boat.  You don't immediately see the changes because of policies in most cases, because it takes time to implement them, and then see the effects.  I do agree that Trump is being judge very harshly going into office... I don't think I've seen it as much, and do think it's unfair.  But he's not helping himself with his approach so far.  And the Democrats saying that they will resist him, rather than they will work to fulfill the will of the people and serve them... well, that's pretty much the same as the Republican rhetoric over the last 8 years, and that's gotten us nowhere.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:21:20
I for one hope he doesn't **** up everyone's health care, destroy the environment or cause some massive international diplomatic incident, because I quite like the world that I live in. I wish him all the best, but it doesn't mean those people who didn't vote for him can't voice their frustrations against him. I abhor violent civil disobedience for any cause, but protesting is the people's right.

Not saying Trump is an ANGEL god forbid but he never lived off donations from establishing Fake Charities like what Hillary and Co has done.

What ever your political stance it still remains, that Trump needs to serve his posting first before all the Zealots start baying for his blood after only 3 days.

I have a naive hope, he doesn't become another Washington Swampie swimming with the parasitic filth that has done absolutely nothing for anyone, other than to build a broken down society which is scared of each other and their Government.  This wasn't done overnight by Trump alone but it was done over a long period of time and that needs to be addressed here.  The only way you can build trust within your Government when it delivers on it's promises and that will go a long way in every country (not just in the United States), no matter which side of the political fence you sit.

Trump has broke through the paralyzing partisanship that has affected all previous presidents, who were all slaves to their idiot party ideologies and self serving interests.  Just hope he doesn't fall into that nest of Vipers and become consumed by them, Washington is a horrific cesspool never really existing anywhere else on Earth but in nightmares of decent everyday people.  Politics is a nasty business to be sure so I have a little confidence that Trump will deliver because he's never scared of a fight no matter with whom.

Just my humble interpretation of Trump and the World's most Corrupt Parliamentary System (speaking with experience within Convict Town, home of Corruption)  ;D .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:49:17
It's baffling how anyone who calls themselves an American can defend either side. The problem is a lot of folks can't see how absolutely ****ed both Trump and Hillary supporters are. And how both Hillary and Trump are simply bad people, the fact that anyone claiming to have rational thought could settle for either of them or defend them at this point speaks volumes about the sad state of this country's future.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ArchDill on Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:03:53
Can't we all just be friends?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Parak on Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:46:23
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..

This is the widespread reality of America.

The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally.  They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.

The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump.  Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership.  Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs  ;) .

Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser

Ah yes, welcome everyone to the alternative facts:



The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.

It sure will be.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 23 January 2017, 01:52:12
Can't we all just be friends?

I'll be your friend...... wanna make love?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 23 January 2017, 10:32:34
This is a fine post for an Internet political discussion. Thanks Parak. Not simply because it justifies my pre-existing views, but because Parak cleverly and painstakingly breaks down the flimsiness and BS of the "policy" and arguments coming from current administration.  It's Orwellian methods from the administrstion, to say the least.

Largest protests in American history on Saturday.  It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women that are more fired up than ever before and getting organized, something which people don't seem to realize in the young male dominated corners of Internet forums.

wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..

This is the widespread reality of America.

The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally.  They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.

The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump.  Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership.  Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs  ;) .

Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser

Ah yes, welcome everyone to the alternative facts:

  • The rich elites tried to get Hillary in power, while Trump is a pauper (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/top-presidential-donors-campaign-money.html) that only had the support of the poor and struggling worker class (http://fortune.com/2016/10/17/donald-trump-peter-thiel-carl-icahn/), including some incredibly impoverished (http://fortune.com/2016/08/03/trump-billionaire-backers-list/) individuals.
  • The actual industry that will pick up... er, which industry is that again specifically (http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/11/17/trump-cant-make-apples-iphone-manufacturing-come-back-and-it-wouldnt-help-if-he-could/)? Well, no matter, they're all the same as far as Trump is concerned I'm sure. Just tax all imports and outsourcing until those jobs come back, whatever they were, because it worked really well historically with the Smoot–Hawley Tariff (https://fee.org/articles/the-smoot-hawley-tariff-and-the-great-depression/). But who cares about history - that has a well known liberal bias.
  • Let's bring back the coal jobs especially, as so many in the rust belt are suffering due to those pesky liberal solar and wind energy sources being cheaper and safer. No worries, just remove all regulations that are making coal no longer competitive (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/29/donald-trumps-promise-to-revive-coal-industry-will/), and build more plants, even if that makes air in our towns look like those in China (https://qz.com/157015/this-map-shows-where-the-chinese-coal-plants-that-kill-257000-a-year-are/) and kills thousands in the coal mines. We can then treat the rise of lung diseases and related injuries using the new wondrous healthcare system that is obviously going to be vastly better than anything before it.
  • Which is exactly why the ACA that many of his supporters use unknowingly  (http://www.dailydot.com/upstream/jimmy-kimmel-obamacare-affordable-care-act/)is the first and foremost (http://time.com/4642088/trump-inauguration-obamacare-repeal-order/) priority of the administration, as repealing that will obviously immediately help the already struggling millions of lower income populace with their health problems. No need to actually have a concrete plan for something better first (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/obamacare-replacement-plans/), because gotta get those pesky insurance premiums (https://www.wired.com/2017/01/not-even-insurance-companies-want-obamacare-repealed/) down ASAP for those that can no longer afford them. Such as businesses (http://fortune.com/2017/01/18/affordable-care-act-repealed/) that never insured their workers and the upper classes (http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/aca-repeal-would-lavish-medicare-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households). What could possibly go wrong? (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-cbo-repealing-obamacare-20150619-column.html)
  • Look, it's okay. Of course he'll bring back manufacturing, because he deeply cares (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/12/lockheed-martin-share-prices-donald-trump-tweet) about domestic production (http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/09/the-carrier-jobs-trump-saved-will-be-automated-anyway/), like that time he yelled at Toyota (http://www.industryweek.com/competitiveness/toyota-tops-most-american-made-car-list). Don't look at the labels on the lines of clothing and other paraphernalia that he (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/) and his daughter have (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/business/donald-trump-ivanka-clothes-global-trade-overseas-manufacturing.html).
  • We have to just have faith that the person that has a known history screwing over minority renters (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/09/trump-housing-discrimination-largest-in-history-228741), small businesses, and contractors (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners/) while sitting on golden chairs (https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-family-cbs-interview-gold-thrones-elite-all-americans-man-of-the-people-7416171) and lying throughout (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/) his entire campaign (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/i9tog6/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-trump-lets-the-truth-come-out-post-election) will put the little guys first and foremost.
  • Why, look at the cabinet appointments - incredibly qualified individuals all (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/19/donald-trump-has-assembled-the-worst-cabinet-in-american-history/), who know the struggles of the lower and middle classes well (http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/donald-trumps-14-billion-cabinet/). They'll do their utmost for us, of course.
  • How dare that pesky liberal media even attempt to sort through the constant stream of Orwellian (https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/5phjg9/kellyanne_conway_spicer_gave_alternative_facts_on/dcrdfgn/?st=iy99x3xr&sh=83b411f1) post-truth (http://www.recode.net/2017/1/22/14350432/trump-press-secretary-lied-sean-spicer-meme) indecipherable  (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/french-people-translate-donald-trump-us-president-language-speech-a7539461.html) verbiage? They're all fake, anyway, so it's not like it matters if they do manage it.
  • Just... just give the guy a chance. He'll definitely do unbelievable things to the country and the rest of the world.


The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.

It sure will be.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 23 January 2017, 11:15:22

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Mon, 23 January 2017, 11:48:00
nm
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: wishful_cynic on Mon, 23 January 2017, 11:48:15

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence.  "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election.  Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.  It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).

It was a perfect storm of many factors.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 23 January 2017, 12:21:40

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence.  "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election.  Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.  It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).

It was a perfect storm of many factors.

/Trump...  BEST PRESIDENT...


Although... he's certainly from a Dynasty... --albeit-- not the normal one we get... hahahaha



The message that was sent was..

"FFFF you --people who went to college--, also because it's trump, they're also saying,  women get back in the kitchen"
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 23 January 2017, 12:37:19

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

It's important to remember that over 70 milllion voters DID NOT vote for him.

Protests are not farting in the wind.  Protests are the physical and emotional manifestation of how people are feeling and what they want, and often leading to further organization, strategy, and action.  Simply look at what the Tea Party did to push out moderate, willing-to-compromise politicians and replaced them with ideologues.  There is a reason that authoritarian regimes put bans of certain amounts of people meeting together in one place.  They know it is dangerous to their power.


It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence.  "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election.  Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.  It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).

It was a perfect storm of many factors.

The greatest irony of this idea is that Trump is a slatwart of the rich, elite establishment.  But he speaks and acts in a way that you don't hear from the traditional politician, more like your uncle that gleens his political knowledge from partisan TV news, which has its own appeal to lots of Americans.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 23 January 2017, 12:51:42

The greatest irony of this idea is that Trump is a slatwart of the rich, elite establishment.  But he speaks and acts in a way that you don't hear from the traditional politician, more like your uncle that gleens his political knowledge from partisan TV news, which has its own appeal to lots of Americans.


People are not so fundamentally different, whether they are rich or poor..

They want the same things.. and would generally behave the same given identical circumstances..


The battle is actually always between who got there first,  keeping others from -getting there-..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 23 January 2017, 14:28:47
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/net-neutrality-foe-ajit-pai-fcc-chairman/ (https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/net-neutrality-foe-ajit-pai-fcc-chairman/)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Parak on Mon, 23 January 2017, 15:43:28

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.

First off, I don't consider an educated voter someone that holds some education or higher forms of education, diplomas, and so forth. I'm a firm believer that while nice to have, a former education is not an absolute requirement to be an educated (as in about issues and positions) voter. Now, with that out of the way..

A truly educated voter, faced by hypothetical choice of two equally distasteful candidates, would vote for one, then on the opposite side for the house and senate. This guarantees a balance of power, and requiring cooperation and compromises from the candidate, or at the very least renders them without much power. An equally valid choice of the educated voter is to vote third party to give them a sufficient percentage for more power nationwide in current as well as future elections. Both send a powerful message, far more powerful than anything that was sent this election. Neither of the two options is actually particularly valid in this existing case, however. Why you ask? Well, it's quite simple:


It's a sad state of affairs, but that's where we are at. So, based on the above I do not believe that there was a significant enough amount of actual educated voters that voted in protest, as such voters would likely to be able to discern better options than that. This is a moot point however as such voters might as well at this point be a margin of error for statistical purposes.

<snip>Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician</snip>

You're welcome (http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/a-false-corruption-claim/) to provide (http://fortune.com/2016/09/22/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-corrupt/) your proof (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/06/why-hillary-clintons-perceived-corruption-seems-to-echo-louder-than-donald-trumps-actual-corruption/), of course (http://forwardprogressives.com/fine-lets-actually-compare-controversial-scandals-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/). Just, you know... be careful (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/10/clinton_vs_trump_whose_crimes_are_worse.html) of some bias (https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-think-Hillary-is-evil) here and there (https://theintercept.com/2016/12/02/hillary-clintons-corrupt-establishment-is-now-advising-donald-trump/).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 23 January 2017, 16:38:56
///Ridiculous





By your netting, an educated person would neither vote, NOR even talk about voting..

Such person would instead go make money, and through that achieve TRUE political EFFICACY..



So, all you've done is call yourself an idiot for this continued bickering over politics on an inconsequential online forum about keyboards.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 23 January 2017, 18:44:08
///Ridiculous





By your netting, an educated person would neither vote, NOR even talk about voting..

Such person would instead go make money, and through that achieve TRUE political EFFICACY..



So, all you've done is call yourself an idiot for this continued bickering over politics on an inconsequential online forum about keyboards.

Totally agree with TP here.  Someone should end this because carrying on with this here is now totally mute considering what this forum was setup to praise "KEYBOARDS"  - not stupid ideologies and corruption.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 23 January 2017, 18:47:46
Agreed. Mods please remove any posts not related to keyboards on this forum.  :))
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:15:55
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: wishful_cynic on Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:28:31
mods shouldn't remove it - it's off topic.  TP4 should lock it though since it's way too toxic

tbh it is very legitimizing when someone responds to mild, objective, two-sided generalizations with one-sided attacks.  I have always enjoyed a good patriotic back and forth, but maybe I'm just not educated appropriately! :)

Part of being a non-partisan voter is the freedom of choice you get from having no affiliation.  I've voted: Bush, Obama, abstain (mistake), Trump (TBD).  I always love a good political discussion, and try to be two-sided in fairness whenever I talk politics.  Just because things are bleak and have been for a while doesn't mean we shouldn't talk and figure out what's getting people so triggered! 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:57:49
Let's all face facts: The end goal here was to get a president Pence, so the way they rigged everything was rather well done. How else do you get an unelectable man elected? Overshadow him with a loud brash fireworks show that distracts the simpletons with flashing colors so no one pays any attention to the Voldemort behind him. There was absolutely no way even Pence would have been able to beat that robotic lizard Hillary, so they just snuck him in as the VP because they knew the story everyone wanted to hear was Trump.

Once Trump is impeached we will be left with far worse, so yeah you may hate Hillary which is understandable, but by voting Trump you've ****ed absolutely everyone in the end.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:59:34
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:08:30
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.




get ready...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:15:35
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.




How would you impeach trump.....?? Hahahahahaha


Prosecutor:   President Trump...  Did you put a cigar in Jennifer's _____....


Trump:  Yes, yes I did...


Prosecutor:   Is that appropriate behavior for the president of United States..


Trump:  I said I was gonna do something like this BEFORE I became president.. 

Trump's lawyer:   Presents videos and recordings of Trump's escapades with loose women..


Prosecutor:  But.. as a president..


Trump:  Listen... the American people said it was ok..


Judge:  CASE CLOSED...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:16:51
I was waiting for someone to revive this thread today. Voted for the guy, but damn it will be a whole lot easier if these next four years aren't a continual ****-show.

Trump's behavior and act will not change any time soon.  What he showed us the first time is what he is and what he will continue to be.  It's who he is.  This is what you voted for.  Own it.

I understand your concern. I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office. The so-called forgotten men and women Trump spoke to were tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations, while they heard pontifications about the unemployment rate dropping to record lows; numbers that don't account for those who finally gave up and left the workforce.

This pattern will never change for differing segments of the economy depending on the time in history and no politician will ever save us.  8 years ago, people looked towards Obama's positive message for hope.  Now they look towards Trump to save us from the "carnage".  When your industry tanks or town starts to shrivel up, you can move, retrain/re-educated yourself, try to create multiple income streams, something, anything besides hoping your politicians or company will save you.  That's the way it has always been, that's the way it always will be.  Savior worship of politicians is always a losing game.

Of course, that is a simplistic solution, because people are in different circumstances that make it difficult to respond adequately when they lose their job or their industry starts disappearing.  I've seen much of it firsthand.


Part of being a non-partisan voter is the freedom of choice you get from having no affiliation.  I've voted: Bush, Obama, abstain (mistake), Trump (TBD).  I always love a good political discussion, and try to be two-sided in fairness whenever I talk politics.  Just because things are bleak and have been for a while doesn't mean we shouldn't talk and figure out what's getting people so triggered! 

If you think it is only a two-sided debate, that's an entirely too simplistic generalization.  The political masters use the whole two-sided debate in this country to herd voters into corners over mostly trivial issues, and then just use your vote to advance their own agenda.  They throw the common folk a few bones here and there, but never shake up the status quo too much.  Don't be a fool.

mods shouldn't remove it - it's off topic.  TP4 should lock it though since it's way too toxic

Toxic?  This stuff is child's play, just a friendly back-and-forth debate.  Ignore Elrick's rambling and you should be fine.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: wishful_cynic on Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:31:30
I love all of you.  And your keyboards and keycaps. <3
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:57:39
Let's all face facts: The end goal here was to get a president Pence, so the way they rigged everything was rather well done. How else do you get an unelectable man elected? Overshadow him with a loud brash fireworks show that distracts the simpletons with flashing colors so no one pays any attention to the Voldemort behind him. There was absolutely no way even Pence would have been able to beat that robotic lizard Hillary, so they just snuck him in as the VP because they knew the story everyone wanted to hear was Trump.

Once Trump is impeached we will be left with far worse, so yeah you may hate Hillary which is understandable, but by voting Trump you've ****ed absolutely everyone in the end.

I was chatting about this with a fellow Hoosier in the know on government affairs.  I thought was Trump was worse because he is more unstable and Pence is more predictable and malleable.  He thought Pence was worse because of his ultraconservative, theologian agenda, and Trump could be convinced to be less extreme.  We agreed that is was a tossup about who is worse.

My take is that the approach of this administration will be disastrous, which appears to be move fast without any idea of the effects of their actions, just push your short-sighted, opportunistic agenda through so hard and fast that the opposition can't respond.   I am certainly open to the idea of businessmen and outsiders running government agencies, I've seen it succeed before.  But when the newly appointed agency heads don't have any interest in learning about the agencies or listening to the people that have deep agency knowledge or experts in the field, it will inevitably lead to poor outcomes, employees will be unhappy, service delivery will suffer, the regulated community will be frustrated by the internal chaos, and the people that benefit from government services, which is all of us, will be affected.  Businesses like stability, not chaos.

It's possible to reform government without f-ing up the whole system or bringing it to a complete halt, which is what is happening right now.  What it takes is doing more than playing politics, but rather respecting your employees and citizens, setting realistic goals, both short and long term, and actually trying to manage the organization, like a real inspiring organizational leader does, if any of you have encountered one before.

Regarding the legislation coming out of Congress, the idea of cutting taxes and privatizing as much as possible will certainly benefit the wealthy and corporations, but have middling effects for the common man, like massive privatization or defunding of public programs usually does.  I would have some respect for Congress if they were not the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen as soon as one of their own got into the office.  Heck, they tried to push out ethics and open the door for corruption right away, but somehow that got stopped.  All I see is ego, power grabs, fights for control, and an overzealous desire to carry out a fringe agenda they've kept in full uniform on the sidelines for years.  It is and will continue to be a circus.

I'll check every now and then to review the trends.  I will gladly eat my words if there is some massive turnaround in a couple years.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 24 January 2017, 01:31:30
See, tp, your last two posts in this thread are meant to be funny but they actually just show the reason why women are protesting in your country.

LOL GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN is a pretty ****ty joke.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 02:47:17
See, tp, your last two posts in this thread are meant to be funny but they actually just show the reason why women are protesting in your country.

LOL GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN is a pretty ****ty joke.

Femalez just don't understand the TP....

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 24 January 2017, 03:48:50
Not to be harsh dude, but if you talk like that around women as well, it's not that they don't understand you it's probably that they dont like you =/
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 04:05:09
Not to be harsh dude, but if you talk like that around women as well, it's not that they don't understand you it's probably that they dont like you =/

/hahahaha

You're so wrong..

Change the wording.. say the exact same thing..  they love me..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 24 January 2017, 08:54:22

The political masters use the whole two-sided debate in this country to herd voters into corners over mostly trivial issues, and then just use your vote to advance their own agenda.


Excellent 1-sentence description of the post-1970s political landscape in the US.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Tue, 24 January 2017, 08:55:59
I think Trump has been judged unfairly. He has barely taken office and there are these fierce and emotional demonstrations about how evil he is. Even Madonna is recommending (to an audience of millions) blowing up the White House.

Everyone has flaws. One black Trump supporter pointed out that while Trump is racist, he didn’t think Trump was any more racist than most white people. Trump is just less sophisticated and unskilled with using politically correct paens to hide his inner prejudices. Thus he is seen as more honest than Hillary because he is very poor at hiding his flaws and inconsistencies.

For all the negative things about his real estate business excluding blacks, it’s also true that Trump was the first person to desegregate his Mar-a-Lago resort. Everyone else in the area refused blacks and Jews. Trump openly welcomed them.

A former employee, Barbara Res, said that Trump basically ‘profiled, but didn’t discriminate’. He definitely held prejudices, but when it came to business, he did business with anyone. He hired plenty of Mexicans in his hotels. He didn’t really respect women as a category and shamelessly lusted after them, but when it came to work he was work-minded. The picture I get of Trump is that he’s really more of a boor than a psychopath or ideologue. He’s not out to deliver anyone a world of hurt, or to impose a religion and way of life on others. He’s like a lot of real estate developers and building contractors, macho seeming guys who puff themselves up like cockatoos.

In any ordinary circumstance, Trump would be a very poor choice for the White House. However the world is now in a state of transition. The old elites who got rich from globalization have no answer to the many people structurally out of work or disadvantaged by globalization. They just keep preaching more free trade and more migration.

There is a real American carnage going on. Vast sections of continental America have been hollowed out economically thanks to free market competition from China.

It is glib and dishonest for the coastal-based liberals to just say, well, get out of town and migrate then!

You’re asking people to uproot themselves in the millions from their families and towns and massively migrate to where the jobs are.

If 20 million people moved out of the Midwest and Rust Belt, 4 million would go to NYC, 3 million to LA, 1 million each to Houston and Chicago and Atlanta. Housing costs and infrastructure pressures would skyrocket. A new white urban underclass, drug abusing and discontented, would pop up. Many people would turn to religion for comfort and vote Republican. And tell me the libs won’t be hating on them?

Because no one would champion their cause, many of the declining white middle class voted Trump.

I don’t know if Trump can deliver. But if he delivers, I think America, and American democracy, would be much better off. Before you start getting into some global ideal of admitting all Mexicans or Muslims who want to enter the USA, you need to make sure your own citizens are doing fine. Athenian democracy took care of Athenians first. Venetian Republic took care of Venetian interests first. USA needs to start taking care of its own people before it tries to be some sort of global examplar. The decline of the US middle class is NOT good for democracy.

Trump the populist is a lot less dangerous than someone like Hitler or Mussolini or Mao or Stalin. Unlike these four dictators, Trump is not tied to any ideology. History has shown that people tied to ideologies are the most likely to do the worst things because they are deluded by their religion and their ideology. Trump may be slow to recognize that he has done something wrong, but once he sees it, he can change.

I don’t believe in giving Trump 4 years. But 1.5 years is fine, until the campaigning starts for the Midterm elections. If the Republicans have been pragmatic and truly patriotic in their policymaking, they will deserve reelection and strengthen their majority in Congress. If the Republicans have focused their energy on religion in schools and other measures that don’t take care of the Middle Class, they will lose their majority and Congress will have a deadlock.

Problem is, Republican party is too full of ideologues. The swamp monsters. USA needs more fresh blood not tied to established interests. All the old idiots in Congress need to get out. John Lewis needs to understand that his heroics 50 years ago are not relevant as a selling point for reelection in 2018. You need more energetic, engaged and intelligent people like Cory Booker, and less geriatrics resting on their laurels.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Tue, 24 January 2017, 09:07:17
I think that Trump's pro-business pro-labor policies will help the struggling working class some, but automation is a more threatening trend for the American worker.

Any thoughts on how we deal with the vast number of people who will no longer be needed in tomorrow's world?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 24 January 2017, 09:22:16

the vast number of people who will no longer be needed in tomorrow's world?


By far the biggest problem for the entire planet Earth is overpopulation.

I believe that the number of humans on the planet is already an order of magnitude too great.

All other problems are magnified through this lens. Middle America is merely a microcosm of the greater whole.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 24 January 2017, 10:25:33
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Tue, 24 January 2017, 11:08:20
Fohat—Agreed, over-populaton is a problem but I'm not sure that addresses the problem of surplus labor. If we have 4 billion people instead of 8 billion, it would largely  leave the same percentage of people unnecessary to run a heavily automated society. I'm reminded of the blobs of dystopic humanity in the movie WALL-E.

Granting that we should reduce population, how would we do it? Education? Limiting numbers of children to parents? Stopping humanitarian aid to underdeveloped nations? Extermination of undesirable elements? Euthanization for people at the first sign of geriatric disease? WW3?  This is not not meant as a rhetoric. A less populated Earth makes sense.  I'm just not sure how to do it without a callous disregard for others autonomy or well being.

Ultimately, the questions that must be asked will have to include the value and purpose of the individual.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Tue, 24 January 2017, 12:02:47
As always, the people who can least afford to support their children, have the most of such children.

The poorest, most messed up countries are the ones who have the highest birthrates, after which they demand for aid, prey on others' shipping, or simply send out their excess population to others as refugees.

There is no liberal answer to this.

We know the right wing answer to this, and it isn't pretty either.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 24 January 2017, 12:18:45
"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.

Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."

- Kurt Walters 2017
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Parak on Tue, 24 January 2017, 12:53:59
As always, the people who can least afford to support their children, have the most of such children.

The poorest, most messed up countries are the ones who have the highest birthrates, after which they demand for aid, prey on others' shipping, or simply send out their excess population to others as refugees.

There is no liberal answer to this.

That's a bit of odd statement. Why do you think that there's no liberal answer? This is something that has been extensively studied for decades, and has innumerable publications and statistics. Surely somewhere in there is at least one proposal that has some sort of a liberal lean to it.

We know the right wing answer to this, and it isn't pretty either.

I'm interested in hearing it, as I don't know it, or don't know the specific answer being discussed. I can think of multiple possible answers that lean right to some extent or other, but I don't want to presume.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:06:00
"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.

Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."

- Kurt Walters 2017

Interesting read from a Forbes Contributor; Why Is The Media Smearing New FCC Chair Ajit Pai As The Enemy Of Net Neutrality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2017/01/24/why-is-the-media-smearing-new-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-as-the-enemy-of-net-neutrality/#6e2d493e4c7f)

I feel like I am getting conflicting information this, trying to understand if him as chairman will be a good move (or not) for net neutrality. 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:11:18
As always, the people who can least afford to support their children, have the most of such children.

The poorest, most messed up countries are the ones who have the highest birthrates, after which they demand for aid, prey on others' shipping, or simply send out their excess population to others as refugees.

There is no liberal answer to this.

We know the right wing answer to this, and it isn't pretty either.

You have a wrong outlook on Children..

What we need is MORE KIDS,  regardless of who they come from..


People have the wrong comprehension of money.. 

IN truth the strength and wealth of a nation is in its population, the bigger the better, Period..


Look at japan... They have virtually infinite money just like the USA,  but they're on steep decline, because they have no god damn kids..


Once people have money, they become deadened to the natural responsibility (as living organisms) to procreate..  They want television, they want entertainment, they want luxuries, they want alcohol, they want drugs...


It is the rich that is closer to oblivion...   it's a good thing that there are so few of them..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:14:28
Who becomes soldiers.. who cleans up the streets..  who builds the streets... who puts hammer to natural resources..


The middle and rich classes command those things..   but hand to rock is done by the poor..


The wars of today and future require a class of humans without the opportunity to say no..


They are of the greatest importance to every nation and every society..


We don't frame people this way, because it sounds awful,  but it's just a consequence of how humans organize..


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:18:25
"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.

Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."

- Kurt Walters 2017


You don't have to worry about this.. because google has more money than god..  They also control the majority of what people see on the internet..

So no matter what person you put in the way of net neutrality,  it will not be enough to influence a core movement on data..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:27:44
"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.

Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."

- Kurt Walters 2017

Interesting read from a Forbes Contributor; Why Is The Media Smearing New FCC Chair Ajit Pai As The Enemy Of Net Neutrality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2017/01/24/why-is-the-media-smearing-new-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-as-the-enemy-of-net-neutrality/#6e2d493e4c7f)

I feel like I am getting conflicting information this, trying to understand if him as chairman will be a good move (or not) for net neutrality.

Trump has the habit of appointing people who are the opposites, and who have the most conflicting views.

For a man who seems hubristic in many ways, this is one of the most intelligent habits by far.

And I think it is one of the least understood habits of Trump.

For all his boasting and posturing Trump is perfectly aware that he isn't the smartest nor that he has all the answers. That's why he deliberately has people bring different perspectives to the table, and to have them fight it out in front of him.

Appointing total skeptics to run certain agencies isn't necessarily a bad move. It brings a totally different point of view to what is otherwise an echo chamber. The skeptic will also have more credibility with the enemies of these agencies, ensuring greater cooperation.

The responsibility for the selections, however, lie with Donald Trump.

If Trump selected a skeptic or former enemy and used him to head a committee or agency, this will be a success if Trump made a good character judgement - that such a person is open minded and amenable to changing his views after getting new information from the agency officers and committee members.

If Trump made a bad judgement and chose an ideologue, then this person will head the agency with the mentality of a wrecker or saboteur. He will do no good.

I'm pretty sure some of the people Trump appointed will lead their agencies down dark and destructive ways. But I also expect the outcomes to be unpredictable.

Jeff Sessions for instance, is often thought of as a big racist. But one of the most liberal Supreme Court justices in US history, Hugo Black, started out as not just a racist, but a member of the KKK.

So people can be unpredictable. And the Trump administration is probably the least predictable in the history of the United States. They'll either drain the swamp and leave the US as a better place, or... just read any liberal newspaper for predictions on what is likely to happen.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:33:39

Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered"


Interesting read from a Forbes Contributor; Why Is The Media Smearing New FCC Chair Ajit Pai As The Enemy Of Net Neutrality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2017/01/24/why-is-the-media-smearing-new-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-as-the-enemy-of-net-neutrality/#6e2d493e4c7f)

I feel like I am getting conflicting information this, trying to understand if him as chairman will be a good move (or not) for net neutrality. 


Let me digest this a bit. So far, I haven't figured out how to resolve the conflicting concepts enumerated here.

I was 100% behind the decision to define the internet as a "public utility" and that inevitably involves certain levels of regulation (and hopefully that is to keep the playing field level).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:50:40


Trump has the habit of appointing people who are the opposites, and who have the most conflicting views.

For a man who seems hubristic in many ways, this is one of the most intelligent habits by far.

And I think it is one of the least understood habits of Trump.

For all his boasting and posturing Trump is perfectly aware that he isn't the smartest nor that he has all the answers. That's why he deliberately has people bring different perspectives to the table, and to have them fight it out in front of him.

Appointing total skeptics to run certain agencies isn't necessarily a bad move. It brings a totally different point of view to what is otherwise an echo chamber. The skeptic will also have more credibility with the enemies of these agencies, ensuring greater cooperation.

The responsibility for the selections, however, lie with Donald Trump.

If Trump selected a skeptic or former enemy and used him to head a committee or agency, this will be a success if Trump made a good character judgement - that such a person is open minded and amenable to changing his views after getting new information from the agency officers and committee members.

If Trump made a bad judgement and chose an ideologue, then this person will head the agency with the mentality of a wrecker or saboteur. He will do no good.

I'm pretty sure some of the people Trump appointed will lead their agencies down dark and destructive ways. But I also expect the outcomes to be unpredictable.

Jeff Sessions for instance, is often thought of as a big racist. But one of the most liberal Supreme Court justices in US history, Hugo Black, started out as not just a racist, but a member of the KKK.

So people can be unpredictable. And the Trump administration is probably the least predictable in the history of the United States. They'll either drain the swamp and leave the US as a better place, or... just read any liberal newspaper for predictions on what is likely to happen.



All you've said is,  --yea,  it might go one way or the other--


No duh...  hahahahahhahaa


It seems like you read but don't think.. haahahahaha

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:52:50

Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered"


Interesting read from a Forbes Contributor; Why Is The Media Smearing New FCC Chair Ajit Pai As The Enemy Of Net Neutrality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2017/01/24/why-is-the-media-smearing-new-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-as-the-enemy-of-net-neutrality/#6e2d493e4c7f)

I feel like I am getting conflicting information this, trying to understand if him as chairman will be a good move (or not) for net neutrality. 


Let me digest this a bit. So far, I haven't figured out how to resolve the conflicting concepts enumerated here.

I was 100% behind the decision to define the internet as a "public utility" and that inevitably involves certain levels of regulation (and hopefully that is to keep the playing field level).


Net neutrality is a certainty..

You can not challenge Google as a politician..  that is political suicide..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 24 January 2017, 19:06:38
I think that Trump's pro-business pro-labor policies will help the struggling working class some, but automation is a more threatening trend for the American worker.

Any thoughts on how we deal with the vast number of people who will no longer be needed in tomorrow's world?

Universal basic income and more funding for job retraining or re-education is all i can think of.  Unfortunately, individuals that are forced out of a job or industry later in life will have more difficulty with re-positioning themselves in an increasingly automated world.

Fohat—Agreed, over-populaton is a problem but I'm not sure that addresses the problem of surplus labor. If we have 4 billion people instead of 8 billion, it would largely  leave the same percentage of people unnecessary to run a heavily automated society. I'm reminded of the blobs of dystopic humanity in the movie WALL-E.

Granting that we should reduce population, how would we do it? Education? Limiting numbers of children to parents? Stopping humanitarian aid to underdeveloped nations? Extermination of undesirable elements? Euthanization for people at the first sign of geriatric disease? WW3?  This is not not meant as a rhetoric. A less populated Earth makes sense.  I'm just not sure how to do it without a callous disregard for others autonomy or well being.

Ultimately, the questions that must be asked will have to include the value and purpose of the individual.

As always, the people who can least afford to support their children, have the most of such children.

The poorest, most messed up countries are the ones who have the highest birthrates, after which they demand for aid, prey on others' shipping, or simply send out their excess population to others as refugees.

There is no liberal answer to this.

We know the right wing answer to this, and it isn't pretty either.

The topic of reducing fertility rates has been well researched and carried out in many countries.  In fact, fertility rates have been on the declining for many decades and the growth in world population has slowed considerably. Two things that come to mind are improving access to birth control methods (not even talking about abortion here) and empowering women.  Women that see themselves as more than mothers, but actually educated individuals that have a place in the world of work, will be less enthusiastic to be subservient to a man and have a bunch of children.

And you don't have to force any of this on people, just provide them with the opportunity and they will use it if they want it.

If you're that interested in the topic, here is a start from the first page of Google results. (http://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP176/index2.html)  You can Google the issue some more if you that interested.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Tue, 24 January 2017, 19:14:43
we may never know if aliens exist... because why anyone smart enough to get here from outer space would want to ... is a mystery to me at least.. unless of course the aliens think we are delicious..

At one point I thought the world would do me a solid and not fall apart before I shuffle off ... now I'm not at all so sure.

Anyone that thinks either the Democrats or Republicans have average people's best interests in mind is delusional...

I may just be grumpy today also.... but my patience for humanity is waning.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 24 January 2017, 19:22:44
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#growthrate


As viva (My bad viva. :o) pointed out the population growth is slowing down. Quite a bit since the 60's for example.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 19:59:59

The topic of reducing fertility rates has been well researched and carried out in many countries.  In fact, fertility rates have been on the declining for many decades and the growth in world population has slowed considerably. Two things that come to mind are improving access to birth control methods (not even talking about abortion here) and empowering women.  Women that see themselves as more than mothers, but actually educated individuals that have a place in the world of work, will be less enthusiastic to be subservient to a man and have a bunch of children.

And you don't have to force any of this on people, just provide them with the opportunity and they will use it if they want it.

If you're that interested in the topic, here is a start from the first page of Google results. (http://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP176/index2.html)  You can Google the issue some more if you that interested.


If they want it ?

We have  a clear picture.. once you're fed and educated (as far as modern education is concerned)... YOU DON"T want KIDS..


This is bad.. very very bad..

There's hope that we reach a balance point..   but more likely than not..   It'll get to a point where you MUST have one to fill the ranks..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 24 January 2017, 20:27:23
We have  a clear picture.. once you're fed and educated (as far as modern education is concerned)... YOU DON"T want KIDS..


This is bad.. very very bad..

There's hope that we reach a balance point..   but more likely than not..   It'll get to a point where you MUST have one to fill the ranks..

So it means that every Geekhacker has to start impregnating as many women as possible and you lot need to do it soon.

Do it for your Country because quite soon your own population will be reduced down to oldies and walking frame cretins unable to do anything.  Time to pull out the family jewels and put them to work and I don't mean shooting anymore Pron vids for facebook.

It's your duty to bring in the new generation to clean up our mess we've created for more than 50 plus years.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 21:17:30
We have  a clear picture.. once you're fed and educated (as far as modern education is concerned)... YOU DON"T want KIDS..


This is bad.. very very bad..

There's hope that we reach a balance point..   but more likely than not..   It'll get to a point where you MUST have one to fill the ranks..

So it means that every Geekhacker has to start impregnating as many women as possible and you lot need to do it soon.

Do it for your Country because quite soon your own population will be reduced down to oldies and walking frame cretins unable to do anything.  Time to pull out the family jewels and put them to work and I don't mean shooting anymore Pron vids for facebook.

It's your duty to bring in the new generation to clean up our mess we've created for more than 50 plus years.



Well, IDK,  for many of us Geekhackers Personally,   #Ronery4ever isn't a choice,  you kinda just prolly born this way.. hahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 24 January 2017, 22:08:47
/TP4thread
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 January 2017, 22:35:09
/TP4thread


I think lots ya'll were forgetting that this is one of those..

/had to step in..

to Remind ya'll..  hahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Wed, 25 January 2017, 07:53:42
Education? Limiting numbers of children to parents? (...) Extermination of undesirable elements? Euthanization for people at the first sign of geriatric disease? WW3?
What's interesting is that all of that had been tried in various ways and countries.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 25 January 2017, 08:52:36
Here in the Western world, it is almost considered a "right" to have a child, no matter what.
Childless couples who want a child or even childless single women in their 40's are given medical treatments to get pregnant and those treatments are often paid for with public funds (in countries that offer their citizens affordable health care)
The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.

The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child. Top cope with cases where a child had died in childhood, the sterilization procedures chosen should be of types that could be reversed.

Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany. Governments should not kill their own people. Murder is murder.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 25 January 2017, 10:08:57

The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.

The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child.

Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany.


There are morally acceptable ways to accomplish some of this.

For example, provide tax breaks and benefits for the first 2 offspring, then tax additional children heavily.

Suicide and euthanasia should be acceptable and non-stigmatized ways for competent adults to end their lives, if they so choose.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Wed, 25 January 2017, 11:00:33
Won't work.

Most rational, sensible, reasonable people will go along.

Religious people are not going to accept this.

We'll wind up with a lot of religious people, ranging from Amish to Orthodox Jews to Catholics to Muslims, all really pissed.

The Pope just fired the Grand Master of the Knights of Malta. For offering condoms to poor people as part of his charitable initiatives against VD and unwanted children.

Amish might just peacefully go to jail. But the Orthodox Jews will be suing and suing away. And the Muslims will start blowing things up. There will be no peace until the religious people get to pump out all the kids they want.

I am 100% certain that the world will get more religious. Because the secular progressives will be quickly out reproduced by the religious.

This is the 21st century and you still have lots of people in the USA who refuse to believe in Evolution and who literally think the world is only a few thousand years old.

I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Wed, 25 January 2017, 11:22:03

The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.

The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child.

Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany.


There are morally acceptable ways to accomplish some of this.

For example, provide tax breaks and benefits for the first 2 offspring, then tax additional children heavily.

Suicide and euthanasia should be acceptable and non-stigmatized ways for competent adults to end their lives, if they so choose.

I am not so sure about the suicide portion but I wholly support euthanasia laws like Oregon's Death with Dignity Act. If someone is terminally ill, there is no need to prolong any suffering for fear of "Playing God".
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 25 January 2017, 11:31:57

I am 100% certain that the world will get more religious. Because the secular progressives will be quickly out reproduced by the religious.


As horrible and distressing as this is, I have to disagree.

The fact is that while we don't know what really comprises the universe, but it is about as close to a certainty as you can get that the Hebrew God, as imagined in traditional Western religion, is not and was never real, and that the "words" that he supposedly passed down to the human race are surely a human fabrication.

If the creationists and climate deniers killed off all the rational people in the world, does that mean that their beliefs would become "true"?

Not matter what any or all the members of the human race believe (that is: choose to think) it does not alter reality.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 25 January 2017, 11:38:56
Won't work.

Most rational, sensible, reasonable people will go along.

Religious people are not going to accept this.
Yeah, but I think most of the religious nutjobs live in places that are going to go to hell anyway within the next five decades.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Wed, 25 January 2017, 12:11:23
Won't work.

Most rational, sensible, reasonable people will go along.

Religious people are not going to accept this.
Yeah, but I think most of the religious nutjobs live in places that are going to go to hell anyway within the next five decades.

Nope. When their places go to hell, they'll just migrate to your country. Sweden has an open door policy for migrants, same as many liberal Western countries.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: henz on Wed, 25 January 2017, 12:18:20
Any bets on what kind of funky papers he will sign next?

Its like watching a movie :)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Wed, 25 January 2017, 12:43:09
im gone for a day and people are talking about assisted suicide wtf
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 25 January 2017, 12:56:02

I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.

Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter.  I would add apathy to that short list as well.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 January 2017, 13:44:02
It's a good thing dantan writes in such a way that no one would read his posts..

Otherwise people might get a wrong idea about cause and effect in politics..


hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 January 2017, 13:45:22

I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.

Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter.  I would add apathy to that short list as well.

plato didn't have internet..

Stop making these leaps guys..  core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 January 2017, 13:47:16

The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.

The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child.

Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany.


There are morally acceptable ways to accomplish some of this.

For example, provide tax breaks and benefits for the first 2 offspring, then tax additional children heavily.

Suicide and euthanasia should be acceptable and non-stigmatized ways for competent adults to end their lives, if they so choose.

I am not so sure about the suicide portion but I wholly support euthanasia laws like Oregon's Death with Dignity Act. If someone is terminally ill, there is no need to prolong any suffering for fear of "Playing God".



Why is it that you guys think having LESS kids is the right way to go..

The current economy is completely dependent on humans continuously producing more kids..


If humans don't produce children, then the system continuously prints money that is stagnant..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 January 2017, 13:50:46
Here in the Western world, it is almost considered a "right" to have a child, no matter what.
Childless couples who want a child or even childless single women in their 40's are given medical treatments to get pregnant and those treatments are often paid for with public funds (in countries that offer their citizens affordable health care)
The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.

The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child. Top cope with cases where a child had died in childhood, the sterilization procedures chosen should be of types that could be reversed.

Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany. Governments should not kill their own people. Murder is murder.


See people like you are the problem..

Are you going to join the military and get shot

Are you going to go clean vomit from a floor in a school of 1000 kids who vomit alot..

Are you going to go swing a axe in a coal mine..


No.. No one willingly do those things unless they had no better option..


If you started capping off the lower economic class,  now who's left to do all of those things.


This is ridiculous..   The more people the better..   The mental sickness you guys have is generated by having lived too comfortably..


Go to a construction site for a day, and witness REAL god damn work..  for every engineer, there's 1000s of guys breaking their backs swinging a hammer..





Now in your perfect world where only educated rich people procreate..  congratulation, all your money is worth less, because China has all these dudes that'll come into your base and take your ****..   because you didn't produce enough of your own dudes..


Your money is also worthless, because there's no one you can hire to maintain infrastructure..

Because you know, only educated rich people can have kids..



So what's left,  you gotta do your own roads.. ??  too bad, you're 500 men short of building a road..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 25 January 2017, 14:34:01

I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.

Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter.  I would add apathy to that short list as well.

plato didn't have internet..

Stop making these leaps guys..  core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.

Yea, but looking beyond the impact of modern technology, have the essential parts of human nature and behavior changed that much in the last couple thousands years?   There's a reason that we still read the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare's plays, they still are relevant to modern human behavior.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 January 2017, 14:59:34

I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.

Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter.  I would add apathy to that short list as well.

plato didn't have internet..

Stop making these leaps guys..  core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.

Yea, but looking beyond the impact of modern technology, have the essential parts of human nature and behavior changed that much in the last couple thousands years?   There's a reason that we still read the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare's plays, they still are relevant to modern human behavior.


Well, I would say people still read that old stuff because they need to feel better about their English degrees..  hahahahaha



As for democracy..

I don't think Plato's comprehension of democracy is the same as today..

Democracy without communication is as he said under threat by ignorance..  So that is a huge problem in his day, because information is localized, and some guy has to yell at the top of his lungs on a certain day at a certain time, and you had to be there to hear it.


The threat of ignorance isn't so much a problem today,  rather democracy is under threat because of capitalist mentality ..  To pursue increased personal wealth without a clear purpose in utilizing such wealth..

This is far more dangerous, because the population is then aimless, and easily circularly huddled around hedonism..




This wouldn't have been a problem except now we have Thoroughly conquered the Equation to happiness..  Turns out,  it's Heroin.. 


And we can generate an infinite supply of Heroin..


In conflict,  We now also know..   If you're happy,  you don't go to work, you don't want to work, you don't feel like you need anything.. EXCEPT being m0ar happy..



Modern Pharmacology has redefined what used to be a human endeavor..  Happiness as it turns out is not a right , it's a metered resource..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 25 January 2017, 15:37:18

it's Heroin

Modern Pharmacology has redefined what used to be


No, it's Prozac. Far more profitable and your insurance company pays any asking price for it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 25 January 2017, 16:34:38

I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.

Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter.  I would add apathy to that short list as well.

plato didn't have internet..

Stop making these leaps guys..  core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.

Yea, but looking beyond the impact of modern technology, have the essential parts of human nature and behavior changed that much in the last couple thousands years?   There's a reason that we still read the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare's plays, they still are relevant to modern human behavior.


Well, I would say people still read that old stuff because they need to feel better about their English degrees..  hahahahaha



As for democracy..

I don't think Plato's comprehension of democracy is the same as today..

Democracy without communication is as he said under threat by ignorance..  So that is a huge problem in his day, because information is localized, and some guy has to yell at the top of his lungs on a certain day at a certain time, and you had to be there to hear it.


The threat of ignorance isn't so much a problem today,  rather democracy is under threat because of capitalist mentality ..  To pursue increased personal wealth without a clear purpose in utilizing such wealth..

This is far more dangerous, because the population is then aimless, and easily circularly huddled around hedonism..




This wouldn't have been a problem except now we have Thoroughly conquered the Equation to happiness..  Turns out,  it's Heroin.. 


And we can generate an infinite supply of Heroin..


In conflict,  We now also know..   If you're happy,  you don't go to work, you don't want to work, you don't feel like you need anything.. EXCEPT being m0ar happy..



Modern Pharmacology has redefined what used to be a human endeavor..  Happiness as it turns out is not a right , it's a metered resource..

I know you like offer a counterpoint for the sake of offering a counterpoint, but...okay I really don't know what to say when tp goes off like this.  Maybe just bow down at his clown genius.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 25 January 2017, 16:48:07

I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.

Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter.  I would add apathy to that short list as well.

plato didn't have internet..

Stop making these leaps guys..  core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.

Yea, but looking beyond the impact of modern technology, have the essential parts of human nature and behavior changed that much in the last couple thousands years?   There's a reason that we still read the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare's plays, they still are relevant to modern human behavior.


Well, I would say people still read that old stuff because they need to feel better about their English degrees..  hahahahaha



As for democracy..

I don't think Plato's comprehension of democracy is the same as today..

Democracy without communication is as he said under threat by ignorance..  So that is a huge problem in his day, because information is localized, and some guy has to yell at the top of his lungs on a certain day at a certain time, and you had to be there to hear it.


The threat of ignorance isn't so much a problem today,  rather democracy is under threat because of capitalist mentality ..  To pursue increased personal wealth without a clear purpose in utilizing such wealth..

This is far more dangerous, because the population is then aimless, and easily circularly huddled around hedonism..




This wouldn't have been a problem except now we have Thoroughly conquered the Equation to happiness..  Turns out,  it's Heroin.. 


And we can generate an infinite supply of Heroin..


In conflict,  We now also know..   If you're happy,  you don't go to work, you don't want to work, you don't feel like you need anything.. EXCEPT being m0ar happy..



Modern Pharmacology has redefined what used to be a human endeavor..  Happiness as it turns out is not a right , it's a metered resource..

I know you like offer a counterpoint for the sake of offering a counterpoint, but...okay I really don't know what to say when tp goes off like this.  Maybe just bow down at his clown genius.

All tp wants is a belly rub.... go on give him a belly scratch he loves belly scratches.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 January 2017, 17:05:10

All tp wants is a belly rub.... go on give him a belly scratch he loves belly scratches.

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 25 January 2017, 18:59:19
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.

That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.

Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:02:21

Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?


"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.

Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."

- Kurt Walters 2017
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:27:13
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.

That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.

Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?

No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.

For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending.  I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money.  Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:39:11
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.

That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.

Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?

No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.

For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending.  I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money.  Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".

There's gonna be a riot if he does this..

Because there are simply too many things made outside the us right now...  and @ 10% + sales tax, no one making 40k will be able to afford anything at all..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:40:33
First thing we need to implement is State of Jefferson...cut off the losers who live in SoCal like Nubbs and Demik...those guys suck.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:44:31
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.

That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.

Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?

No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.

For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending.  I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money.  Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".

There's gonna be a riot if he does this..

Because there are simply too many things made outside the us right now...  and @ 10% + sales tax, no one making 40k will be able to afford anything at all..

There have been people rioting since 2016.  As they say - American's have short attention spans and I guess I just got used to them.

Where was the outrage in this? (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/24/barack-obama-palestine-funding-221-million-final-hours)

You have issues with a 10% tariff - which a lot of our "friends" are already doing - but no outrage over Obama printing money and giving it away?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:46:50
removed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:48:25
If you don't like America, then move to Canada with Halverson and Sifo.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sek1ne on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:51:00
If you don't like America, then move to Canada with Halverson and Sifo.

Seriously, it's nice up here. I also don't think we'll be building a wall or imposing any tariffs on american goods. You do have to get used to multiple political parties though.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:02:26
If you don't like America, then move to Canada with Halverson and Sifo.

Seriously, it's nice up here. I also don't think we'll be building a wall or imposing any tariffs on american goods. You do have to get used to multiple political parties though.

You don't have Portillos though. :(
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:12:48
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.

That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.

Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?

No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.

For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending.  I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money.  Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".

There's gonna be a riot if he does this..

Because there are simply too many things made outside the us right now...  and @ 10% + sales tax, no one making 40k will be able to afford anything at all..

There have been people rioting since 2016.  As they say - American's have short attention spans and I guess I just got used to them.

Where was the outrage in this? (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/24/barack-obama-palestine-funding-221-million-final-hours)

You have issues with a 10% tariff - which a lot of our "friends" are already doing - but no outrage over Obama printing money and giving it away?

Why should there be?  Did you read the whole article?  Or look for other sources of what really happened?

From your article:
Quote
"This is actually money that the Israelis have traditionally supported us giving to the Palestinians because it goes toward things like security reform and making sure the Palestinian Authority doesn't collapse, and that's actually in Israel's security interest," Harf said.

The money given to the Palestinians coincides with the $3.8 billion-a-year memorandum signed between the U.S. and Israel in September, guaranteeing a set level of funding for the Israelis over the next 10 years.

"We felt that was very important to sign under the Obama Administration to make sure the Israelis knew they were going to keep getting support from us," Harf said.

Harf said she does not think President Donald Trump will reverse this $221 million in funding.

"If we don't help the Palestinian Authority maintain stability, that's actually really bad for Israel's security," she said.

And from other sources (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/01/23/us/politics/ap-us-united-states-palestinians.html?_r=0):

Quote
Congress had initially approved the Palestinian funding in budget years 2015 and 2016, but at least two GOP lawmakers — Ed Royce of California, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Kay Granger of Texas, who sits on the House Appropriations Committee — had placed holds on it over moves the Palestinian Authority had taken to seek membership in international organizations. Congressional holds are generally respected by the executive branch but are not legally binding after funds have been allocated.

Nothing to see here.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:14:07
If you don't like America, then move to Canada with Halverson and Sifo.

Seriously, it's nice up here. I also don't think we'll be building a wall or imposing any tariffs on american goods. You do have to get used to multiple political parties though.

You don't have Portillos though. :(

Yea that....or Amazon Prime? I need that.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:21:52
^ I read the article and I don't agree with it.  Nor do I agree with giving money to Israel.

We are a nation that is $20 trillion in the hole and can't afford to have everyone living on our tit indefinitely.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:28:13
^ I read the article and I don't agree with it.  Nor do I agree with giving money to Israel.

We are a nation that is $20 trillion in the hole and can't afford to have everyone living on our tit indefinitely.

It seemed that you were implying that he did something illegal or underhanded in your prior post.  When its something that's been voted on, and process was followed.  Why should there be outrage over something that was already taken through the process?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:31:34
^ I read the article and I don't agree with it.  Nor do I agree with giving money to Israel.

We are a nation that is $20 trillion in the hole and can't afford to have everyone living on our tit indefinitely.

It seemed that you were implying that he did something illegal or underhanded in your prior post.  When its something that's been voted on, and process was followed.  Why should there be outrage over something that was already taken through the process?

I don't know.  I just don't know.  I think my underwear has spots of blood and it may be my time of the month.  I think I'm going to log off for the night.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:28:52
LOL 10% tarrif on the **** you buy..... sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:38:18
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries.  If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Wed, 25 January 2017, 22:25:15
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries.  If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/

If it's on the Internet, it's true..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MykB77 on Wed, 25 January 2017, 23:24:02
If ya wanna head up to Canada, better move before there is another wall...  eh?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Thu, 26 January 2017, 02:43:27
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries.  If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/

That's not done by Trump. That's done by all other US presidents - mostly swampy people who have at least one foot stuck in the Military Industrial Complex swamp.

Trump's contribution is the most expedient. Since these guys hate the US by now, the best way is to keep them from coming here.

Another thing to note: Obama raised the national debt from $10.626 trillion to $19.78 trillion. If I had $9.2 trillion to spend that wasn't mine, I could make the economy look pretty good for a number of years too.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 26 January 2017, 03:15:35
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries.  If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/

If it's on the Internet, it's true..

These destabilizing tactics are done on purpose..

A united middle east is too difficult on the oil front.



Think about it this way..  If YOU"RE smart enough to realize it's bad foreign policy..   Don't you think professional foreign policy makers know that as well ?


Yet they did it anyway..  WHY,  what was the reason.. ??


short sighted people continue to debate and point fingers,   they're looking at this completely wrong..



The more the middle east is at its own throat,,   the more easily the US can buy their oil,  and sell them Made In America Guns..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 26 January 2017, 07:47:30
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.

That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.

Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?

No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.

For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending.  I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money.  Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".

There's gonna be a riot if he does this..

Because there are simply too many things made outside the us right now...  and @ 10% + sales tax, no one making 40k will be able to afford anything at all..

There have been people rioting since 2016.  As they say - American's have short attention spans and I guess I just got used to them.

Where was the outrage in this? (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/24/barack-obama-palestine-funding-221-million-final-hours)

You have issues with a 10% tariff - which a lot of our "friends" are already doing - but no outrage over Obama printing money and giving it away?

Just a testament to his awful job in office.

What's your evidence for this statement?  Can you think of a few things that he might have done well or accomplished?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 26 January 2017, 07:49:27
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries.  If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/

If it's on the Internet, it's true..

These destabilizing tactics are done on purpose..

A united middle east is too difficult on the oil front.



Think about it this way..  If YOU"RE smart enough to realize it's bad foreign policy..   Don't you think professional foreign policy makers know that as well ?


Yet they did it anyway..  WHY,  what was the reason.. ??


short sighted people continue to debate and point fingers,   they're looking at this completely wrong..



The more the middle east is at its own throat,,   the more easily the US can buy their oil,  and sell them Made In America Guns..

Oh yea, I know.  Another reason is that if you create chaos there, it acts as a sponge for extremism, and might keep it away from our shores.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 26 January 2017, 08:05:29
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries.  If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/

If it's on the Internet, it's true..

What's not true about verifiable past and current meddling in the affairs of other countries, current military action in four of those countries (Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Yemen), and the anti-immigrant and anti-refugee executive orders regrading these countries yesterday?

If ya wanna head up to Canada, better move before there is another wall...  eh?


Not with those keyboard import prices I hear about all the time.   I'll be going to Mexico soon, before they build the wall.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Thu, 26 January 2017, 10:18:17
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries.  If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there. 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/

If it's on the Internet, it's true..

These destabilizing tactics are done on purpose..

A united middle east is too difficult on the oil front.



Think about it this way..  If YOU"RE smart enough to realize it's bad foreign policy..   Don't you think professional foreign policy makers know that as well ?


Yet they did it anyway..  WHY,  what was the reason.. ??


short sighted people continue to debate and point fingers,   they're looking at this completely wrong..



The more the middle east is at its own throat,,   the more easily the US can buy their oil,  and sell them Made In America Guns..

Yes, in a way, but I'd argue incompetence (or at least being misguided) over malefeasance.

We used to believe that communism was a real threat to our western democratic ideals, and we did all kinds of things to obliquely fight it--things to extend our influence. Things like arming what would become the taliban in Afghanistan to help fight the soviets in their war. Things like organizing the ascension to power of a western friendly dictator in Iran (and other places).

But things didn't work out how we thought, and then we helped install a western friendly dictator in Iraq to fight the mess we made in Iran. Then we fought that same person when he invaded western friendly Kuwait. As an aftermath to *that* decision we had to patrol Iraqi air space which necessitated maintaining military bases in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. Well, the saudis might say one thing to our face, but after the USS Cole, the Khobar towers (look it up), and finally 9/11, it was clear to our government that we had to get the hell out of Saudi Arabia. Now, why it has been so important to protect the Saudi royals I will never know, but we decided it was easier to make up something about WMDs than to be truthful: the Saudis were selling us out, we had to get out of that country, and that meant Saddam Hussein had to go.

Which brings us to the messes in northern Iraq, Syria, and Yemen that most here are more familiar with. So while oil plays a role, it's not the only (or even most important) thing, and it's 70 years of cascading decisions that have to be considered. I think this had a significant impact on how Obama handled Syria (or didn't handle, depending on perspective).

But one last question for those here who still support Trump: with this last executive order banning entry for residents of certain countries, how do you feel about Saudi Arabia not being on that list? Why would someone who proclaims this to be about being tough on terrorism exclude many, but allow the country that sent us 3/4 of the 9/11 actors? Why would someone who yells about "radical Islamic" people allow the country that sponsors the most radical sect (Wahhabism)?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 26 January 2017, 10:35:01
Saudi Arabia has always been a special case because it supplies so much oil.

If we were not hypocritical, we would support and encourage free, open, secular democracies as our preferred allies, rather than shoring up horrible monarchies, theocracies, and/or otherwise bad specimens of governance because they are "friendly" to our desires ....
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 26 January 2017, 10:40:42
The titillating factoids just keep rolling in:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/310566-trumps-cabinet-picks-have-more-money-than-third-of-american (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/310566-trumps-cabinet-picks-have-more-money-than-third-of-american)

"The amount of wealth possessed by the 17 picks, at least $9.5 billion, is greater than the 43 million least wealthy households in America."

The alligators are being ferried into the swamp in limousines.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Thu, 26 January 2017, 10:55:38
Saudi Arabia has always been a special case because it supplies so much oil.


Hmmm. Is that really it?

(http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 26 January 2017, 11:19:00
Saudi Arabia has always been a special case because it supplies so much oil.


Hmmm. Is that really it?

Show Image
(http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 26 January 2017, 11:21:30

What's your evidence for this statement?  Can you think of a few things that he might have done well or accomplished?

That's the problem with politics in the US today.  People increasingly fall into the trap of ideological differences that the politicians have set (bread and circuses), while pursuing their own agendas.  Obama didn't/couldn't have done anything correctly or right, because he falls into a different bucket.  Trump can't/won't do anything right because he falls into a different bucket.

This is the failure of the imagination; reducing others whose beliefs and motivations you don’t understand to a literally subhuman category. You can use other words: barbarian, bigot, racist, sexist, hater, etc.  You 'other' people that don't agree with you in this fashion:


https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777/

It is written by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist. Haidt is a self-described liberal, but his research focuses on morality – its emotional foundations, cultural variations, and development.

Haidt basically argues that conservatives and liberals disagree because they are being motivated by different moral matrixes. When they see each other as “evil”, it’s because they don’t understand the moral matrix the other is operating from (Haidt is not a moral relativist, and does believe in evil, he just doesn’t apply the word to most political or philosophical disagreements).

I don’t agree with everything that Haidt says, but I recommend this book to everybody. He develops and works with a few axioms, two of which are:

There’s more to morality than harm and fairness.

Morality binds and blinds.

The second axiom sounds purely negative, but it’s not; rather it’s the acknowledgement that while a strong moral code can be a powerful tool for personal happiness and social order, at the same time it blinds us to the validity of competing moral codes.

The entire book is an exercise in the scholarly and scientific application of imagination to the problem of moral social conflict, and especially to the necessity of understanding the other side.  And this is important. Understanding does not mean agreement, and without proselytizing conservatism to liberals or liberalism to conservatives, Haidt (I think successfully), communicates how the artificial sides fall into specific views, and, I think anyone who reads this book will come a long way toward understanding how people, in a general and specific manner (family, friends, people that should 'know better'), voted differently in this divisive election.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Thu, 26 January 2017, 11:27:16
Saudi Arabia has always been a special case because it supplies so much oil.


Hmmm. Is that really it?

Show Image
(http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

I know they are the largest producer. But they aren't our (USA) largest supplier. In fact, as shown in the imports graphic, we import about the same amount from Mexico, and it appears they don't deserve special treatment.  I think what you might find is that it isn't about USA oil at all, but again global politics and influence (look up where Europe gets their oil imports from).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 26 January 2017, 11:47:47
I know they are the largest producer. But they aren't our (USA) largest supplier. In fact, as shown in the imports graphic, we import about the same amount from Mexico, and it appears they don't deserve special treatment.  I think what you might find is that it isn't about USA oil at all, but again global politics and influence (look up where Europe gets their oil imports from).

So you don't think the fact that Saudi Arabia produces the most oil has any influence on global politics?

Also this in relation to your oil import statement:

http://visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-energy-how-much-what-type-and-where-from/
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Thu, 26 January 2017, 11:58:23
I know they are the largest producer. But they aren't our (USA) largest supplier. In fact, as shown in the imports graphic, we import about the same amount from Mexico, and it appears they don't deserve special treatment.  I think what you might find is that it isn't about USA oil at all, but again global politics and influence (look up where Europe gets their oil imports from).

So you don't think the fact that Saudi Arabia produces the most oil has any influence on global politics?

Also this in relation to your oil import statement:

http://visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-energy-how-much-what-type-and-where-from/

No, they *totally* influence the global landscape, and having significant control of OPEC matters a lot. My point was around how people usually say that the US is meddling in the Middle East to keep the oil flowing to the US, and that's not entirely true. You can't cripple Russia's economy if you have to keep buying their oil, which means if we want our (USAs) sanctions to stick, then we need to make sure the EU has other sources. See also: why fight over who controls Syria and their Mediterranean port.

It's about more than simple resources is my big point, just because I hear people too often saying it's about our (USA) oil buying.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 26 January 2017, 12:35:08
OK. Well in that case I agree with you. My objection was that fohat did not specify that Saudi Arabia supplied oil to America. I would like to think that America is concerned enough about the rest of the world to be extra considerate of Saudi Arabia for all the reasons you just specified.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ArchDill on Thu, 26 January 2017, 12:46:13
Can't we all just be friends?

I'll be your friend...... wanna make love?

TIL THE NIGHT CLOSES INNNN!!!!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 26 January 2017, 14:38:58

My objection was that fohat did not specify that Saudi Arabia supplied oil to America. I would like to think that America is concerned enough about the rest of the world to be extra considerate of Saudi Arabia for all the reasons you just specified.


I did not specify "to America" and I don't think that the US is concerned enough about the rest of the world for its (the world's) own sake as it is for how global conditions affect the US.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:24:45

What's your evidence for this statement?  Can you think of a few things that he might have done well or accomplished?

That's the problem with politics in the US today.  People increasingly fall into the trap of ideological differences that the politicians have set (bread and circuses), while pursuing their own agendas.  Obama didn't/couldn't have done anything correctly or right, because he falls into a different bucket.  Trump can't/won't do anything right because he falls into a different bucket.

This is the failure of the imagination; reducing others whose beliefs and motivations you don’t understand to a literally subhuman category. You can use other words: barbarian, bigot, racist, sexist, hater, etc.  You 'other' people that don't agree with you in this fashion:

  • I am a rational/good human being.
  • Because I am a rational/good human being, I believe X.
  • If you do not believe X, you are either ignorant, stupid, or evil.
  • Because you are ignorant, stupid, or evil, it is useless to debate with you and pointless to listen to you.

https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777/

It is written by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist. Haidt is a self-described liberal, but his research focuses on morality – its emotional foundations, cultural variations, and development.

Haidt basically argues that conservatives and liberals disagree because they are being motivated by different moral matrixes. When they see each other as “evil”, it’s because they don’t understand the moral matrix the other is operating from (Haidt is not a moral relativist, and does believe in evil, he just doesn’t apply the word to most political or philosophical disagreements).

I don’t agree with everything that Haidt says, but I recommend this book to everybody. He develops and works with a few axioms, two of which are:

There’s more to morality than harm and fairness.

Morality binds and blinds.

The second axiom sounds purely negative, but it’s not; rather it’s the acknowledgement that while a strong moral code can be a powerful tool for personal happiness and social order, at the same time it blinds us to the validity of competing moral codes.

The entire book is an exercise in the scholarly and scientific application of imagination to the problem of moral social conflict, and especially to the necessity of understanding the other side.  And this is important. Understanding does not mean agreement, and without proselytizing conservatism to liberals or liberalism to conservatives, Haidt (I think successfully), communicates how the artificial sides fall into specific views, and, I think anyonee acknowledgement that while a strong moral code can be a powerful tool for personal happiness and social order, at the same time it blinds us to the validity of competing moral codes.

The entire book is an exercise in the scholarly and scientific  who reads this book will come a long way toward understanding how people, in a general and specific manner (family, friends, people that should 'know better'), voted differently in this divisive election.

I'm pretty sure that your post is longer than the attention span of anyone that would benefit from reading it.  Let alone an entire book.

I do agree, understanding is absolutely essential.  Yet if we are not even willing to understand the other person's morals and values and how that influences their voting, but rather yell at each other in partisan anger, how would we get to that point?

It's important to consider where most Americans are obtaining their political arguments these days.  I imagine that it is not from healthy debate among peers, exchanging policy ideas based on competing evidence in order to convince the other party, accessing a variety of sources and analysis, or whatever traditional idea of political discussion that we have.  No, most of us seem to be getting our political information in snippets from social media and TV news, close friends and family, our deeply held values, our human nature, or our favorite website, most of which serve to create an opposition bogeyman that must be defeated at any cost and we need to stick by our man, no matter what they say or do.  In fact, the powers that be love to pit us against each other and choose sides, because it benefits their ability to impose their agenda.

There is a dangerous reductionism that occurs when we simply heap labels upon people because they are reduced to that label and then we can treat them as sub-human and be relieved from treating them with dignity.  See terms like liberals, racist, idiot, elite, immigrant, refugee, Muslim, Mexican, Chinese...the list goes on.  Which is why I cannot emphasize enough the importance of individual rights and considering of the humanity in each person.

I heard an interesting analysis of the election the other day.  What might matter the most in any election is how people feel about their economic situation and that of the jurisdiction, not necessarily what the evidence shows about the economic situation.  Tap into that and you can ride it to victory.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Thu, 26 January 2017, 18:39:28
this thread is ****in retarded
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 26 January 2017, 18:41:49
this thread is ****in retarded
And it never dies!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 26 January 2017, 19:14:27
this thread is ****in retarded
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 26 January 2017, 19:46:49
this thread is ****in retarded
And it never dies!

Neither does politics and people that like to talk about it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 26 January 2017, 21:35:51
this thread is ****in retarded
And it never dies!

Neither does politics and people that like to talk about it.

Of course, but this is the longest running TP4 thread I have ever seen. Its a nice bit less charged now that the election process is over.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 27 January 2017, 06:05:19
this thread is ****in retarded
And it never dies!

Neither does politics and people that like to talk about it.

Of course, but this is the longest running TP4 thread I have ever seen. Its a nice bit less charged now that the election process is over.

I hope it stays charged as it becomes increasing obvious that the Republicans and Trump administration are attempting to dismantle our struggling democracy and use for their own plunder, capping off a process that has been underway for decades.

http://www.sfgate.com/weird/article/AlternativeFacts-com-redirects-to-an-article-10887496.php
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 January 2017, 07:04:34

capping off a process that has been underway for decades.


Since the election of the horrible hateful Reagan.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Fri, 27 January 2017, 07:49:38
2017 is going to be the year that fascism returned to the First World.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Fri, 27 January 2017, 08:44:33
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.

Unlimited mass migration, unlimited trade ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country, unconditional PC and acceptance of other religions without regard to the social tensions and conflicts, eventually it would have been too much to swallow for many people.

You may disagree with me, but plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.

Trump may have won with a minority of the popular vote, but he won with a huge majority in the electoral college. If you consider counties, this victory is even more lopsided: 2623 to 489 counties for Hillary most of which are urban and pretty small.

If the USA were to split into 2 countries now, the ‘deplorables’ would own over 90% of the continental USA and Hillary would have just a handful of coastal cities plus Chicago. Remove all the illegal immigrants plus the children of illegal immigrants who got free citizenships and the vote just because they were born here, and Hillary’s majority will vanish.

If you are born to illegal immigrants, you should not be given citizenship. It’s common sense. If I snuck onto your land, I am a trespasser. If I give birth to children while trespassing on your land, can my children gain inheritance rights to YOUR land?

If George Soros disagrees, I think the best thing the 'deplorables' can do is to send pregnant activists into Soros' mansion to give birth. Tah dah, now George Soros will have to pay for the kids' education and welfare and they gain inheritance rights.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Fri, 27 January 2017, 09:03:51
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.

Unlimited mass migration, unlimited trade ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country, unconditional PC and acceptance of other religions without regard to the social tensions and conflicts, eventually it would have been too much to swallow for many people.

You may disagree with me, but plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.

Trump may have won with a minority of the popular vote, but he won with a huge majority in the electoral college. If you consider counties, this victory is even more lopsided: 2623 to 489 counties for Hillary most of which are urban and pretty small.

If the USA were to split into 2 countries now, the ‘deplorables’ would own over 90% of the continental USA and Hillary would have just a handful of coastal cities plus Chicago. Remove all the illegal immigrants plus the children of illegal immigrants who got free citizenships and the vote just because they were born here, and Hillary’s majority will vanish.

If you are born to illegal immigrants, you should not be given citizenship. It’s common sense. If I snuck onto your land, I am a trespasser. If I give birth to children while trespassing on your land, can my children gain inheritance rights to YOUR land?

If George Soros disagrees, I think the best thing the 'deplorables' can do is to send pregnant activists into Soros' mansion to give birth. Tah dah, now George Soros will have to pay for the kids' education and welfare and they gain inheritance rights.  :thumb:

Hey dantan, is what is happening in South Dakota par of your "rebalancing"? The people (mostly republican, white, low-ish education levels) put an anti-corruption bill on the ballot, passed it, and the state legislature just called for emergency procedures to be able to eliminate it. You can read about it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/24/south-dakota-republicans-are-about-to-get-rid-of-the-states-first-independent-ethics-commission/?utm_term=.d905051a86fa This won't the the last time in the coming years where lawmakers will fight to gut all of our voting rights and powers.

There's a word for when a single party system that rules from the top, ruthlessly and quickly, for the interest of the few under the guise of doing what's best for the nation because others can't be trusted. And it's not "rebalancing"
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 January 2017, 09:12:40

ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country

plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.


It may take several years to see, but Trump will do immeasurable damage to the working class in the US.

His words and his actions are diametric opposites.

His supporters have not recognized this yet. Ignore his words - scrutinize his actions.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Fri, 27 January 2017, 09:58:42

ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country

plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.


It may take several years to see, but Trump will do immeasurable damage to the working class in the US.

His words and his actions are diametric opposites.

His supporters have not recognized this yet. Ignore his words - scrutinize his actions.

Are you willing to admit you were wrong if he proves otherwise?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:16:55

ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country

plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.


It may take several years to see, but Trump will do immeasurable damage to the working class in the US.

His words and his actions are diametric opposites.

His supporters have not recognized this yet. Ignore his words - scrutinize his actions.

Are you willing to admit you were wrong if he proves otherwise?

hahahahahahahahhaa.,,, as a white american ? I doubt it...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:21:16

Are you willing to admit you were wrong if he proves otherwise?


I am always willing to admit that I was wrong if there is legitimate evidence to demonstrate it.

That is why the scientific method is essential to the progress of civilization.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:22:56

Are you willing to admit you were wrong if he proves otherwise?


I am always willing to admit that I was wrong if there is legitimate evidence to demonstrate it.

That is why the scientific method is essential to the progress of civilization.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

THat's such a lie.. hahahaha.. every political / economic statement you've made on Geekhack has been proven wrong..

By Geekhack's chief political / economic strategist Tp4.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:25:37
 In the grand scheme..

Trump will be good for HUMANITY..

Simply because he brings a great deal of shakeup to the status quo..


It's really not about policy or the sum you measure...  It's about awakening.. 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:27:35

I am always willing to admit that I was wrong if there is legitimate evidence to demonstrate it.                                                                                                                                                                                                   


every political / economic statement you've made on Geekhack has been proven wrong..


As always, your statements are devoid of evidence.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:31:18
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:44:42
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:49:53

I am always willing to admit that I was wrong if there is legitimate evidence to demonstrate it.                                                                                                                                                                                                   


every political / economic statement you've made on Geekhack has been proven wrong..


As always, your statements are devoid of evidence.


Hahhahaa.


First you said, Bernie,  how quickly you forgot..

Then you explained how Because of Bernie's economic policies, he's going to win..

Which I clearly remember correcting you on, how Wealth controls politics by default and taking wealth Away from those in Charge would quickly put Bernie out of the race..


THEN you went on to become a Hilary camper..   Again Tp4 said,  hey, this stuff won't work, because Hilary is an idler..




From the very beginning Tp4 was right about Bernie,  THEN Trump..


2 for 2.. Tp4


negative 3 .. fohat.dig..


 negative because you're probably wrong about other stuff I forgot you were wrong about.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:13:41

My objection was that fohat did not specify that Saudi Arabia supplied oil to America. I would like to think that America is concerned enough about the rest of the world to be extra considerate of Saudi Arabia for all the reasons you just specified.


I did not specify "to America" and I don't think that the US is concerned enough about the rest of the world for its (the world's) own sake as it is for how global conditions affect the US.

What I meant was that I was trying to defend you by saying you didn't specify America and yet the counter argument was how Saudi Arabia doesn't supply much oil to America, hence my links to show how much they supply the rest of the world.

In the grand scheme..

Trump will be good for HUMANITY..

Simply because he brings a great deal of shakeup to the status quo..


It's really not about policy or the sum you measure...  It's about awakening.. 

How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:16:22
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:26:05

do you think that's the way it should be?


No point in feeding the troll. You will just get an ever-increasing avalanche of amoral Chinese psycho-babble.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:32:57

How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???


Sigh............... ok.. don't usually like talking about abortion, because people often get the human-rights aspect of it muddled with the BIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONAL aspect of it..


Here goes..


ABORTION is the consequence of a Hijacking maneuver.

This Hijacking is in the form of inconsequential-sex.. WHICH IS equivalent in practice to any forms of drug use..


First let's discuss what the Colloquial drug use IS..

DRUG USE, is anything that makes you feel good, with little utility towards expanding the Productivity Frontier..



Money (The Tabulator-y aspect of modern economic metrics), must be put aside for a moment in this discussion.



"" If ya'll computer guys remember , they give you that thought experiment in 101,  what would happen if a computer could press its own buttons..


If you program a reward system for an AI,  then you give it the ability to press that rewards button regardless of the work it is tasked to do..

What would happen. ??""



That is fundamentally what DRUG USE is..

When one Eat when not hungry..

One drinks alcohol..

One does Hard Drugs..

Two have Sex with no-intention / no-ability to produce or raise children..



ALL of these things WHILE NOT absolutely without purpose,  is among the least productive tasks..  because productivity is when you take Hammer to Natural resources..  I'm not Marxist,  but this is just one thing they got right.


So.. keep in mind..  Limiting abortion may not be the right way to go about it...   But it is NOT something that's fundamentally wrong for a GOVERNMENT policy..

Governments need children.. The Nation needs Children.. 

The United States is lucky to have a great piece of land,  attracting foreigners to join the cause.. (currently a necessity for maintaining population)

But with all this great stuff,  People still have fewer kids than they should be having. Our Great American birthrate is BELOW 2.0



This is due to the fundamental plight to all procreative systems, when Pleasure is disconnected from the PURPOSE behind those pleasures...



Abortion is your right.. You own your body, FINE,    but you'll probably get it done one way or another..   it's really not that hard a physical task to accomplish.. so the LAW has little to do with practical applications


If we have extremely efficient system to facilitate the task,  it would only further promotes inconsequential pleasure seeking, WHICH is GENERALLY Not good for society..




Now, as for the role of sex...   It's the most powerful NATURAL motivator humans possess.. Because reproduction is a vital function for all lifeforms..    Modernity has made light of this in face of other rewards....









Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:34:17

do you think that's the way it should be?


No point in feeding the troll. You will just get an ever-increasing avalanche of amoral Chinese psycho-babble.


Hahaha.. I always knew you were a racist bigot on the inside..

Right before these posts, I prove you wrong yet again.. and that time for Lying..

Now you pile on the name-calling..


/ fohat.dig.. so trashy..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:41:02
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?


It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people..  that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..


The insatiable drive (appetite) for power,  to the point of sickness..


Think about how many people are in your path...   Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iceman2733 on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:57:44

How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???

I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding.  Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions.  Funding = Tax payer dollars.  Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure.    Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions.  The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little.  It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US? 

People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control.  Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making.   This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that. 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:00:34

How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???

I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding.  Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions.  Funding = Tax payer dollars.  Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure.    Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions.  The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little.  It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US? 

People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control.  Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making.   This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe where a condom or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that. 


/total agreement ....


Although I am always looking at the Process side to the procreative process,  rather than the consequence side as you have..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:14:23

How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???

I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding.  Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions.  Funding = Tax payer dollars.  Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure.    Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions.  The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little.  It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US? 

People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control.  Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making.   This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.

Apparently you usually stay out of *all* threads. This is a hell-of-a-first post. And you might (*might*) have an intellectual argument in there if the people who fight for defunding/banning/obstructing access to abortions weren't *also* working hard at fighting aforementioned education and access to prophylatics. Thus, this ends up as a thinly veiled argument to make sure that women are kept under control by any means necessary.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:16:18

How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???

I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding.  Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions.  Funding = Tax payer dollars.  Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure.    Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions.  The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little.  It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US? 

People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control.  Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making.   This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.

Apparently you usually stay out of *all* threads apparently. This is a hell-of-a-first post. And you might (*might*) have an intellectual argument in there if the people who fight for defunding/banning/obstructing access to abortions weren't *also* working hard at fighting aforementioned education and access to prophylatics. Thus, this ends up as a thinly veiled argument to make sure that women are kept under control by any means necessary.


Not every policy is going to have isolate outcomes.. and the majority of these modern day (MAJOR) topics are ultimately inconsequential except for News Headlines..

The battle is only in ones mind..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iceman2733 on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:24:53

How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???

I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding.  Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions.  Funding = Tax payer dollars.  Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure.    Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions.  The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little.  It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US? 

People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control.  Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making.   This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.

Apparently you usually stay out of *all* threads. This is a hell-of-a-first post. And you might (*might*) have an intellectual argument in there if the people who fight for defunding/banning/obstructing access to abortions weren't *also* working hard at fighting aforementioned education and access to prophylatics. Thus, this ends up as a thinly veiled argument to make sure that women are kept under control by any means necessary.

Why is US tax payers problem to fund all of that??  How many other countries contribute to this fund? The argument still stands, why should US tax dollars go to fund international happy hour?  Who helps the US tax payers?  I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.  Funny thing is people is looking for any reason to hate this man, the funny thing is the this act was put in place long before his time by Reagan (1973) and has been put back in and out by each office change since than.  For people that want to pay for abortions for international couples please do, nothing stops them from donating.  Funny how so many in the US go hungry, go without any help while barely making wages to keep food on there table for there family but as a country we aren't worried about that we are worried about international happy hour and funding the aftermath of it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:28:18


Why is US tax payers problem to fund all of that??  How many other countries contribute to this fund? The argument still stands, why should US tax dollars go to fund international happy hour?  Who helps the US tax payers?  I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.  Funny thing is people is looking for any reason to hate this man, the funny thing is the this act was put in place long before his time by Reagan (1973) and has been put back in and out by each office change since than.  For people that want to pay for abortions for international couples please do, nothing stops them from donating.  Funny how so many in the US go hungry, go without any help while barely making wages to keep food on there table for there family but as a country we aren't worried about that we are worried about international happy hour and funding the aftermath of it.


Your first post is a discussion.

You're just picking fights now.. hahahaha..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iceman2733 on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:35:23


Why is US tax payers problem to fund all of that??  How many other countries contribute to this fund? The argument still stands, why should US tax dollars go to fund international happy hour?  Who helps the US tax payers?  I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.  Funny thing is people is looking for any reason to hate this man, the funny thing is the this act was put in place long before his time by Reagan (1973) and has been put back in and out by each office change since than.  For people that want to pay for abortions for international couples please do, nothing stops them from donating.  Funny how so many in the US go hungry, go without any help while barely making wages to keep food on there table for there family but as a country we aren't worried about that we are worried about international happy hour and funding the aftermath of it.


Your first post is a discussion.

You're just picking fights now.. hahahaha..

Sorry didn't mean for it to be good sir and I really don't mean to single out the other gentleman.  My point is this act was put in place I do understand the UN does works with organizations to help population control.  My point is only as adults we should understand for each action there is a a consequence.  Cause and affect.  Provide help to those that truly need it but murdering babies because the adults do understand the consequence to there actions is needless.  Not meaning to pick a fight but as a working class guy with a family I am sick of everyone else living off of our hard earned tax dollars while the rest of us do the best we can and live and pay for our consequences. 


Sorry for the horrible spelling and grammar my goodness this screen protector is horrible on my phone lol
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:41:38
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.

I think you will find lots of us who want to ensure access for all Americans to a full range of medical care (which includes prophylactics, emergency prophylactics, and abortion) that is efficient and covered by the collective wealth of our country (I.e. Taxes) so no one has to bear the burden of onerous costs to get the care they need. You just might not find them with an R attached to their name. Hope your kiddo is doing well.

As far as the world goes, I think our modest investment pays off, as peace and prosperity in the world is great for our prosperity. How much that investment should be is always up for debate, but I don't think any rational person puts the correct amount at zero.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:44:01


Why is US tax payers problem to fund all of that??  How many other countries contribute to this fund? The argument still stands, why should US tax dollars go to fund international happy hour?  Who helps the US tax payers?  I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.  Funny thing is people is looking for any reason to hate this man, the funny thing is the this act was put in place long before his time by Reagan (1973) and has been put back in and out by each office change since than.  For people that want to pay for abortions for international couples please do, nothing stops them from donating.  Funny how so many in the US go hungry, go without any help while barely making wages to keep food on there table for there family but as a country we aren't worried about that we are worried about international happy hour and funding the aftermath of it.


Your first post is a discussion.

You're just picking fights now.. hahahaha..

Sorry didn't mean for it to be good sir and I really don't mean to single out the other gentleman.  My point is this act was put in place I do understand the UN does works with organizations to help population control.  My point is only as adults we should understand for each action there is a a consequence.  Cause and affect.  Provide help to those that truly need it but murdering babies because the adults do understand the consequence to there actions is needless.  Not meaning to pick a fight but as a working class guy with a family I am sick of everyone else living off of our hard earned tax dollars while the rest of us do the best we can and live and pay for our consequences. 


Sorry for the horrible spelling and grammar my goodness this screen protector is horrible on my phone lol

NONO.. say whatever you want to say.. This is a Tp4 thread..

That means you can say whatever you want..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:47:05
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.

I think you will find lots of us who want to ensure access for all Americans to a full range of medical care (which includes prophylactics, emergency prophylactics, and abortion) that is efficient and covered by the collective wealth of our country (I.e. Taxes) so no one has to bear the burden of onerous costs to get the care they need. You just might not find them with an R attached to their name. Hope your kiddo is doing well.

As far as the world goes, I think our modest investment pays off, as peace and prosperity in the world is great for our prosperity. How much that investment should be is always up for debate, but I don't think any rational person puts the correct amount at zero.


Well.. ok... but as you've said.. it's an investment..  foreign aid is not aid.. it's a business venture/ incentive..

So, in that way,  the nation enters the battle ground..



It's a fight ..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Spopepro on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:50:41
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.

I think you will find lots of us who want to ensure access for all Americans to a full range of medical care (which includes prophylactics, emergency prophylactics, and abortion) that is efficient and covered by the collective wealth of our country (I.e. Taxes) so no one has to bear the burden of onerous costs to get the care they need. You just might not find them with an R attached to their name. Hope your kiddo is doing well.

As far as the world goes, I think our modest investment pays off, as peace and prosperity in the world is great for our prosperity. How much that investment should be is always up for debate, but I don't think any rational person puts the correct amount at zero.


Well.. ok... but as you've said.. it's an investment..  foreign aid is not aid.. it's a business venture/ incentive..

So, in that way,  the nation enters the battle ground..



It's a fight ..

I don't think it's a competition. But geek hack, OT, and a TP thread isn't really where I want to dive deep on macroeconomic theory.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 January 2017, 12:53:08
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost?  I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.

I think you will find lots of us who want to ensure access for all Americans to a full range of medical care (which includes prophylactics, emergency prophylactics, and abortion) that is efficient and covered by the collective wealth of our country (I.e. Taxes) so no one has to bear the burden of onerous costs to get the care they need. You just might not find them with an R attached to their name. Hope your kiddo is doing well.

As far as the world goes, I think our modest investment pays off, as peace and prosperity in the world is great for our prosperity. How much that investment should be is always up for debate, but I don't think any rational person puts the correct amount at zero.


Well.. ok... but as you've said.. it's an investment..  foreign aid is not aid.. it's a business venture/ incentive..

So, in that way,  the nation enters the battle ground..



It's a fight ..

I don't think it's a competition. But geek hack, OT, and a TP thread isn't really where I want to dive deep on macroeconomic theory.


My point is..  what an abortion policy means to you personally or even WOMEN of America..   has very little to do with its actual purpose when proposed by the government.


The government isn't a belief system.. it's a managerial entity to promote growth..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 27 January 2017, 13:12:16
Abortion is your right.. You own your body, FINE,    but you'll probably get it done one way or another..   it's really not that hard a physical task to accomplish.. so the LAW has little to do with practical applications


If we have extremely efficient system to facilitate the task,  it would only further promotes inconsequential pleasure seeking, WHICH is GENERALLY Not good for society..

I deleted the first bit because it doesn't make any sense. But this second bit is actually a huge problem in the attitude towards abortion.

If people want to get an abortion, they are going to get one, you are right. But with these plans, there is less advice about abortions, meaning people don't know where the safe places are to go. This increases the risk of suffering serious injury or death to a woman attempting to go through alternate routes.

Wanting an abortion is not due to drug taking or "pleasure seeking". Birth control does fail, vasectomies do fail. For some of these people, there is no other option, other than abortion. Nobody WANTS to get an abortion. It's not like; aaaah, if I get pregnant I will just get an abortion. It is a horrendous and traumatic experience. If abortion was illegal, these people would still get abortions. And a great many more people would die due to the lack of regulation or expertise.


How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?

I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???


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I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding.  Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions.  Funding = Tax payer dollars.  Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure.    Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions.  The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little.  It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US? 

People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control.  Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making.   This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that. 

You are right, he hasn't limited abortions. Not directly. This is a ploy to appeal to both sides, but it is a stepping stone to putting a very real limit on abortions.

See above in relation to your birth control comment.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 27 January 2017, 20:38:53
*Googles 'tiny hands'

*all results are pics of Trump
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Fri, 27 January 2017, 22:51:03
I am not against abortion, but let me point out, an abortion costs a lot. $350-$5000 in countries where it is legal. Average seems to be $500.

Condoms don’t even cost 0.1% as much.

For the cost of one abortion, you can fund condoms for years.

I don’t see why taxpayer money should go towards funding abortion if significant numbers of people are strongly opposed to it. Trump hasn’t outlawed abortion, nor should it be outlawed. Just don’t use other people’s money to pay for something that ultimately you are responsible for.

In reply to Chyros:
Your comparison of Trump to Hitler is a really cheap, facile and misleading comparison.
Hitler was a good orator who stirred the masses. So was Winston Churchill. Hitler = Churchill?
Roosevelt came up with policies that took care of the jobless working masses. Hitler had similar selling points. Hitler = Roosevelt?
As Nicholas Kristof pointed out, there are many ways on which you can attack Trump. But liberals are getting all emotional and behaving deplorably and attacking in meaningless ways. Such as that gay professor who attacked Ivanka Trump on a flight when she was with her kids, and tweeted about it like some kind of great hero. Or that SNL writer who tried to make a 10 year old into a school shooter. Or even that Buzzfeed leak of allegedly totally ridiculous antics by Donald Trump in Moscow.

When Obama was elected I was very irritated to see the right wing make all kinds of racist comments such as calling him Omuzzie or comparing his family to monkeys. But now it is obvious the left wing is no less hateful and no less capable of dressing their hate up as righteousness.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 01:34:14
Abortion is your right.. You own your body, FINE,    but you'll probably get it done one way or another..   it's really not that hard a physical task to accomplish.. so the LAW has little to do with practical applications


If we have extremely efficient system to facilitate the task,  it would only further promotes inconsequential pleasure seeking, WHICH is GENERALLY Not good for society..


Wanting an abortion is not due to drug taking or "pleasure seeking". Birth control does fail, vasectomies do fail. For some of these people, there is no other option, other than abortion. Nobody WANTS to get an abortion. It's not like; aaaah, if I get pregnant I will just get an abortion. It is a horrendous and traumatic experience. If abortion was illegal, these people would still get abortions. And a great many more people would die due to the lack of regulation or expertise.



The human procreative process is very different from pre-society.

By design it is the BEST feeling thing a human being can experience naturally.



Feeling good at no consequence  IS drug seeking..

There's no real difference..


The entire system of (Feeling good)  is designed around writing into memory, a completed task which IN SOME WAY facilitated the procreative process..



Elective abortion may not Always be the result of pleasure seeking,  but a stance on wide availability is a reduction in consequence of such pleasures..


That is bad for growth.. and is the reason every advanced nation has inadequate birth rate..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 01:38:43

I don't think it's a competition. But geek hack, OT, and a TP thread isn't really where I want to dive deep on macroeconomic theory.


You missed my point.. hahaha..

When America goes to Iraq..  They take the banner Freedom.. 

But the reality is , Disrupt middle eastern politics, GET CHEAPER OIL..


So, when people begin to argue their beliefs,   they're putting aside the PRACTICAL reason why we do what we do..


EVERYONE including policy makers know right from wrong.. We've all heard the virtues, we've all been taught to share..


But that system doesn't exist in reality, because reality is not in perfect agreement on who gets what..

That's why we still fight..  That's why we have crazy foreign policies, that may seem terrible on personal levels,  but are a necessity for the operation of the nation..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 28 January 2017, 04:19:45
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.

Unlimited mass migration, unlimited trade ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country, unconditional PC and acceptance of other religions without regard to the social tensions and conflicts, eventually it would have been too much to swallow for many people.

You may disagree with me, but plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.

Trump may have won with a minority of the popular vote, but he won with a huge majority in the electoral college. If you consider counties, this victory is even more lopsided: 2623 to 489 counties for Hillary most of which are urban and pretty small.

If the USA were to split into 2 countries now, the ‘deplorables’ would own over 90% of the continental USA and Hillary would have just a handful of coastal cities plus Chicago. Remove all the illegal immigrants plus the children of illegal immigrants who got free citizenships and the vote just because they were born here, and Hillary’s majority will vanish.

If you are born to illegal immigrants, you should not be given citizenship. It’s common sense. If I snuck onto your land, I am a trespasser. If I give birth to children while trespassing on your land, can my children gain inheritance rights to YOUR land?

If George Soros disagrees, I think the best thing the 'deplorables' can do is to send pregnant activists into Soros' mansion to give birth. Tah dah, now George Soros will have to pay for the kids' education and welfare and they gain inheritance rights.  :thumb:

Hey dantan, is what is happening in South Dakota par of your "rebalancing"? The people (mostly republican, white, low-ish education levels) put an anti-corruption bill on the ballot, passed it, and the state legislature just called for emergency procedures to be able to eliminate it. You can read about it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/24/south-dakota-republicans-are-about-to-get-rid-of-the-states-first-independent-ethics-commission/?utm_term=.d905051a86fa This won't the the last time in the coming years where lawmakers will fight to gut all of our voting rights and powers.

There's a word for when a single party system that rules from the top, ruthlessly and quickly, for the interest of the few under the guise of doing what's best for the nation because others can't be trusted. And it's not "rebalancing"

They are dong a similar thing in Maine, which just voted to use an approval voting system because a three-candidate race with plurality voting brought them two terms of Paul LePage, a miniature Trump occasionally says really, really dumb things.

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/01/11/lawmakers-may-seek-court-opinion-on-constitutionality-of-ranked-choice-voting/
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 28 January 2017, 04:46:26
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?

Speaking of facism, our politiicians are trying to criminalize protests now, too.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/23/lawmakers-in-eight-states-have-proposed-laws-criminalizing-peaceful-protest/

Okay, okay, the bills I have seen are trying to prevent people from blocking traffic.  Harmless right?  Not really.  What they do is slowly take away your rights, little by little, when you don't even notice what is happening.  It starts with the ethics nonsense, restricting access to birth control methods, downright xenophobic immigration policies (all refugees and Muslim immigrants banned), resistance any kind of voting or electoral reform (except voting rights crackdowns based on conspiracy theories).  Before you know it, something that affects you or you care about is being attacked.

But that's the way people are, we usually don't care until something directly affects us.   It's only a matter of time before they come after something that affects or you wake up to it. 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sat, 28 January 2017, 07:54:49
yawn
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 28 January 2017, 08:18:01

there are many ways on which you can attack Trump. But liberals are getting all emotional and behaving deplorably and attacking in meaningless ways.


My attacks on Trump revolve around core issues, and his demonstrable incompetence and personal problems are contributive but ancillary.

- Assaults on fundamental American principles such as freedom of speech, press, religion, and assembly.
- Conflicts of interest throughout his administration which leave them beholden to specific entities rather than to will of the American people.
- Nominations of incompetent candidates to high positions based on criteria other than their technical qualifications.
- His apparent willingness to renege on this country's obligations around the world, and his disregard for the rule of law in general.

Clearly, I have also objected to nearly 100% of his stated policy positions, particularly those related to financial, social, and health-related issues, but those are based on my opinions and are separate from my fundamental objections to the ethical and legal issues listed above.

*   *   *   *   *

That said, it is hard not to get emotional about the deliberate fabrication and dissemination of outright falsehoods to the people who placed their trust in him.   
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 09:58:19

there are many ways on which you can attack Trump. But liberals are getting all emotional and behaving deplorably and attacking in meaningless ways.


My attacks on Trump revolve around core issues, and his demonstrable incompetence and personal problems are contributive but ancillary.

- Assaults on fundamental American principles such as freedom of speech, press, religion, and assembly.
- Conflicts of interest throughout his administration which leave them beholden to specific entities rather than to will of the American people.
- Nominations of incompetent candidates to high positions based on criteria other than their technical qualifications.
- His apparent willingness to renege on this country's obligations around the world, and his disregard for the rule of law in general.


- It's like in the matrix, they give us the belief that we're free, and as long as we feel like it's almost free,  we're ok with it..   BUT INREALITY, the government and capitalist powers enslaves us with debt and ever-rising cost...    Having basic freedoms are relatively benign relative to the bars we're in today..


- No large political entity are devoid of Capitalist influence, it has little to do with which one has more or less,  THEY"RE all heavily involved..

- I assure you they're more competant than you are.. For one, they're where they are, and you're still working a day job..  Power is less about how much you can withstand than how much you are capable of GRASPING at..

- Laws are broken all the time..  You play the game however you can.. As a president, he's allowed to change the rules.. It might be colloquially being a ****, but That's always been fundamental to good leadership.


In conclusion.... Trump //Best President..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Parak on Sat, 28 January 2017, 12:23:17
Sorry didn't mean for it to be good sir and I really don't mean to single out the other gentleman.  My point is this act was put in place I do understand the UN does works with organizations to help population control.  My point is only as adults we should understand for each action there is a a consequence.  Cause and affect.  Provide help to those that truly need it but murdering babies because the adults do understand the consequence to there actions is needless.  Not meaning to pick a fight but as a working class guy with a family I am sick of everyone else living off of our hard earned tax dollars while the rest of us do the best we can and live and pay for our consequences. 

I don’t see why taxpayer money should go towards funding abortion if significant numbers of people are strongly opposed to it. Trump hasn’t outlawed abortion, nor should it be outlawed. Just don’t use other people’s money to pay for something that ultimately you are responsible for.

Well, saying that the tax money is simply going towards mitigating unwanted side effects of procreation is quite misguided and is a drastically simplified dismissal of a significantly larger issue. For starters, the money is not only used for providing abortion related services, but also many other things such as basic contraceptives, cervical cancer screening, maternal health, STD prevention/treatment/education, and so on. By denying funding based on a small section of what an NGO does, it removes support for all of the above as well.

Secondly, as far as abortion itself is concerned, one also has to look at it through the lens of the countries that these NGOs serve in, not a modern one. We're talking countries where people don't have proper sex education, and have no idea what and how it actually happens. Countries where millions of uneducated underaged women get pregnant through no fault of their own. For that matter, how can people be responsible for their actions, especially women, if they are completely clueless, defenseless, and often basically kids? How can someone pin the blame for abortion on someone that may routinely be forced into marriage, raped in a war conflict, or abused by their family? Is the lack of empowerment of women in those countries really a thing that can be willfully ignored for the sake of simple hand-waving and excuses?

Earlier in the thread some voiced their discontent at overpopulation and high birth rates in some parts of the world, yet it's all quite conveniently forgotten when it's so easy to have a knee-jerk reaction. Well, here it is, the "liberal" solution to overpopulation - education, prevention, empowerment of women, and yes where needed, abortion. Helping countries cut down on high birth rates (primarily via education and birth control, not abortions), on vast poverty that results from that, is a far more preferred alternative than isolationism and eventual wars and migrant crises that will inevitably result. I wonder what is currently more acceptable, taxing people to help other countries, or taxing people to mingle in a conflict in other countries that is at least partially due to a population crisis. Relevant link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348), for those who can't bother to read long studies with statistics. Lack of access to basic contraceptives as the direct result of cut funding will only increase the rates of abortion and in turn since nobody will be able to perform them safely, high death rates for women attempting to have some semblance of normal life for themselves in abject poverty.

People are failing to see the forest for the trees, and when such outlooks become the de facto policies of the entire country it spits in the face of decades of hard scientific research and selfless work of millions that work and volunteer for NGOs in the hardest conditions possible. It seems that some are all too happy to start dancing on the freshly dug grave of progress.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sat, 28 January 2017, 15:37:11
this thread makes me wanna puke more than my chemotherapy
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 28 January 2017, 15:43:09
On behalf of my friends and coworkers from Iran, what the actual **** is this retard doing?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 28 January 2017, 15:56:38
So let's hear some thoughts on the USA trading California to Mexico in return for Mexico paying to build the wall?

Then Cuba can be added as a state to keep the usa at 50.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Sat, 28 January 2017, 16:23:40
I guess I'm going to have to brush up on my Spanish.  Do you think they will get enough money to run the wall along the California/Arizona,Nevada, Oregon, border as well?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Sat, 28 January 2017, 16:26:56
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?


It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people..  that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..


The insatiable drive (appetite) for power,  to the point of sickness..


Think about how many people are in your path...   Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
You're completely evading the question.  Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 28 January 2017, 16:30:34

So let's hear some thoughts on the USA trading California to Mexico


Don't be ridiculous. California should annex Mexico and become the California Republic again. California's GDP is twice as large as Mexico's.

 http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html (http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 17:16:57

So let's hear some thoughts on the USA trading California to Mexico


Don't be ridiculous. California should annex Mexico and become the California Republic again. California's GDP is twice as large as Mexico's.

 http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html (http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html)


Again, you demonstrate no comprehension of Economics..   

GDP is only a tabulation of market transaction..

it is also not a quantity to be compared as 2 apple is more than 1 apple.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 17:21:14
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?


It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people..  that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..


The insatiable drive (appetite) for power,  to the point of sickness..


Think about how many people are in your path...   Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
You're completely evading the question.  Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?

I gave my answer.. You chose to not comprehend it.. hahahaha

Tp4 believes the world should be ran on a large mainframe, Only machines can make the objective decisions we need based on big-data.



As for the Humans..  My answer to that was simply,  There is NO OTHER WAY to organize humans besides this pyramidal model of servitude..

In the human system, you're slaving one processor to merely an equally capable processor..  The only thing holding all this together is this veil of money/power which says, processor 1 came after processor 0,  therefore do what processor 0 says..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Sat, 28 January 2017, 18:09:47
Did anyone else catch Ashley Judd's recitation at the Women's event last week?

I should first say that I like to be gross at times.I love gross jokes; what can I say, I'm a guy. I must say however that Ashley Judd was able to do something that decades of foul mouthed comedians and worldly sailors couldn't. Her speech made me feel like puking. In her defense, she brought awareness to the fact that tampons are taxable ( I will gladly support the effort to make them tax exempt), but anything else that she was trying to say was lost in a vulgar stream of profane and hateful imagery. I know that Trump is partially to blame for lowering the bar of public discourse but just like it is inexcusable for Trump, so is it for anyone. I fear that men born straight will seek alternatives to women after hearing her graphic descriptions! I can only hope that the women cheering her on will be surprised and a little ashamed when they read a transcript of what she actually said.

On another note, I am also perplexed by not only her performance but also Meryl Streep's a few weeks earlier. They are both fine actresses. In fact, Streep may be among the best in the last century. I'm a decent public speaker but a horrible actor. Acting is hard. That is why I'm surprised by the almost amateurish overacting both displayed. Judd seemed relaxed but Streep was almost breathless; as if she was uncomfortable with her words.

The colorful speeches combined with the p---yhats are, no doubt, an appropriate appetizer for the main course they will be cooking up in the years to come.





Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Sat, 28 January 2017, 18:35:36
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?


It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people..  that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..


The insatiable drive (appetite) for power,  to the point of sickness..


Think about how many people are in your path...   Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
You're completely evading the question.  Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?

I gave my answer.. You chose to not comprehend it.. hahahaha

Tp4 believes the world should be ran on a large mainframe, Only machines can make the objective decisions we need based on big-data.



As for the Humans..  My answer to that was simply,  There is NO OTHER WAY to organize humans besides this pyramidal model of servitude..

In the human system, you're slaving one processor to merely an equally capable processor..  The only thing holding all this together is this veil of money/power which says, processor 1 came after processor 0,  therefore do what processor 0 says..
And let me guess, we can no longer afford to let communists sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids, either? :p
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 18:37:01
Did anyone else catch Ashley Judd's recitation at the Women's event last week?

I should first say that I like to be gross at times.I love gross jokes; what can I say, I'm a guy. I must say however that Ashley Judd was able to do something that decades of foul mouthed comedians and worldly sailors couldn't. Her speech made me feel like puking. In her defense, she brought awareness to the fact that tampons are taxable ( I will gladly support the effort to make them tax exempt), but anything else that she was trying to say was lost in a vulgar stream of profane and hateful imagery. I know that Trump is partially to blame for lowering the bar of public discourse but just like it is inexcusable for Trump, so is it for anyone. I fear that men born straight will seek alternatives to women after hearing her graphic descriptions! I can only hope that the women cheering her on will be surprised and a little ashamed when they read a transcript of what she actually said.

On another note, I am also perplexed by not only her performance but also Meryl Streep's a few weeks earlier. They are both fine actresses. In fact, Streep may be among the best in the last century. I'm a decent public speaker but a horrible actor. Acting is hard. That is why I'm surprised by the almost amateurish overacting both displayed. Judd seemed relaxed but Streep was almost breathless; as if she was uncomfortable with her words.

The colorful speeches combined with the p---yhats are, no doubt, an appropriate appetizer for the main course they will be cooking up in the years to come.








Where are you guys being exposed to this weird stuff..

Tp4 only watches 2 channels cnbc and bloomberg


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 18:38:16
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.

The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.

Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?


It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people..  that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..


The insatiable drive (appetite) for power,  to the point of sickness..


Think about how many people are in your path...   Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
You're completely evading the question.  Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?

I gave my answer.. You chose to not comprehend it.. hahahaha

Tp4 believes the world should be ran on a large mainframe, Only machines can make the objective decisions we need based on big-data.



As for the Humans..  My answer to that was simply,  There is NO OTHER WAY to organize humans besides this pyramidal model of servitude..

In the human system, you're slaving one processor to merely an equally capable processor..  The only thing holding all this together is this veil of money/power which says, processor 1 came after processor 0,  therefore do what processor 0 says..
And let me guess, we can no longer afford to let communists sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids, either? :p


I don't sound that crazy...  we've had the matrix for years.. hahahahahahha
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 28 January 2017, 20:12:18
Did anyone else catch Ashley Judd's recitation at the Women's event last week?

I should first say that I like to be gross at times.I love gross jokes; what can I say, I'm a guy. I must say however that Ashley Judd was able to do something that decades of foul mouthed comedians and worldly sailors couldn't. Her speech made me feel like puking. In her defense, she brought awareness to the fact that tampons are taxable ( I will gladly support the effort to make them tax exempt), but anything else that she was trying to say was lost in a vulgar stream of profane and hateful imagery. I know that Trump is partially to blame for lowering the bar of public discourse but just like it is inexcusable for Trump, so is it for anyone. I fear that men born straight will seek alternatives to women after hearing her graphic descriptions! I can only hope that the women cheering her on will be surprised and a little ashamed when they read a transcript of what she actually said.

On another note, I am also perplexed by not only her performance but also Meryl Streep's a few weeks earlier. They are both fine actresses. In fact, Streep may be among the best in the last century. I'm a decent public speaker but a horrible actor. Acting is hard. That is why I'm surprised by the almost amateurish overacting both displayed. Judd seemed relaxed but Streep was almost breathless; as if she was uncomfortable with her words.

The colorful speeches combined with the p---yhats are, no doubt, an appropriate appetizer for the main course they will be cooking up in the years to come.

Maybe it's not over acting, but how they really feel?  After all, in neither case were they acting, so classifying it in the same vein as that seems... strange.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 20:23:42
googled the speech..

she really should've practiced it first..

I think the content is irrelevant as long as the delivery is good. but her performance is what made it awful



I say that because no matter what you say..  VERY generally, people want the same things.. so however you say something, in the end, intentions and goals are the same..  IN THAT way, content is never unique..


You can say... Tampon tampon tampon..  in the end,  people get it, you want equal rights for women..   you could say, you want equal rights for women, or tampon tampon tampon.. 

So.. there's no real difference in content and intention... the context (womens rights event) is good enough.. People already inherently know what they're about to hear before going to the event.

Now,  have someone pretty with a smooth voice say it,  and it works fine..

The delivery ultimately determines whether the message resonates with the audience..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Sat, 28 January 2017, 20:33:14
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 January 2017, 20:49:34


Just read this transcript calmly in your own voice..

You'd see that it's not really that awful.. it's pretty straight forward..  Ashley Judd's performance is what made it hard to listen to..


[Ashley Judd:]
My name is Ashley Judd and I am a feminist! and I wanna say hello to Independence Avenue in the back to all the way down to 17th Street.

(Wow)

And I bring you words from Nina Donovan, a 19-year-old in Middle, Tennessee and she has given me the privilege of telling you what she has to say:

I am a nasty woman. I’m not as nasty as a man who looks like he bathes in Cheetos dust.

A man whose words are a distract to America.

Electoral college-sanctioned, hate-speech contaminating this national anthem.

I’m not as nasty as Confederate flags being tattooed across my city. Maybe the South actually is going to rise again. Maybe for some it never really fell.

Blacks are still in shackles and graves, just for being black. Slavery has been reinterpreted as the prison system in front of people who see melanin as animal skin.

I am not as nasty as a swastika painted on a pride flag, and I didn’t know devils could be resurrected but I feel Hitler in these streets. A mustache traded for a toupee. Nazis’ renamed the Cabinet Electoral Conversion Therapy, the new gas chambers shaming the gay out of America, turning rainbows into suicide notes.

I am not as nasty as racism, fraud, conflict of interest, homophobia, sexual assault, transphobia, white supremacy, misogyny, ignorance, white privilege.

I am not as nasty as using little girls like Pokeman before their bodies have even developed.

I am not as nasty as your daughter being your favorite sex symbol, like your wet dreams infused with your own genes. But – yeah, I’m a nasty woman – a loud, vulgar, proud woman.

I am not nasty like the combo of Trump and Pence being served up to me in my voting booth.

I’m nasty like the battles my grandmothers fought to get me into that voting booth.

I’m nasty like the fight for wage equality. Scarlett Johansson, why were the female actors paid less than half of what the male actors earned last year.

See, even when we do go into higher paying jobs our wages are still cut with blades sharpened by testosterone. Why is the work of a black woman and a hispanic woman worth only 63 and 54 cents of a white man’s privileged daughter? This is not a feminist myth. THIS IS INEQUALITY. So we are not here to be debunked. We are here to be respected. We are here to be nasty.

I’m nasty like my bloodstains on my bed sheets. We don’t actually choose if and when to have our periods. Believe me if we could some of us would. We do not like throwing away our favorite pairs of underpants. Tell me, why are pads and tampax still (Ooo that was a brand name) why are tampons and pads still taxed when Viagra and Rogaine are not? Is your erection really more than protecting the sacred messy part of my womanhood? Is the bloodstain on my jeans more embarrassing than the thinning of your hair?

I know it is hard to look at your own entitlement and privilege. You may be afraid of the truth.

I am unafraid to be honest.

It may sound petty bringing up a few extra cents.

It adds up to the pile of change I have yet to see in my country.

I can’t see. My eyes are too busy praying to my feet hoping you don’t mistake eye contact for wanting physical contact. Half my life – I have been zipping up my smile hoping you don’t think I want to unzip your jeans.

I am unafraid to be nasty because I am nasty like Susan, Elizabeth, Eleanor, Amelia, Rosa, Gloria, Condoleezza, Sonia, Malala, Michelle, Hillary!

And our pussies ain’t for grabbing.

There for reminding you that our walls are stronger than America’s ever will be.

Our pussies are for our pleasure. They are for birthing new generations of filthy, vulgar, nasty, proud, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh, you name it, for new generations of nasty women.

So if you – a nasty woman, or you love one who is, let me hear you say, hell yeah.

HELL YEAH!

HELL YEAH!

I LOVE YOU! THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 28 January 2017, 20:55:41
this thread makes me wanna puke more than my chemotherapy

Nobody forces you to click on it, but maybe check back when Trump does something stupid with our relationship with Canada, like slaps on some tariffs because Canada takes in too many refugees or is too politically correct or the CBC airs a skit that really rubs him the wrong way.

Anyways, I hope your cancer treatments are effective and other threads give you some joy.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Sat, 28 January 2017, 21:09:03
Anyone who thinks Hillary would have given women equal pay are as delusional as the Trump supporters who think he's going to bring all the jobs back.

I probably would have voted Hillary if the Democrat/Soros machine did a better job at hiding the rapes and other brutal crimes by Syrian/Middle Eastern refugees in Europe.

I'm not afraid of Islam: I'm afraid of religion.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 28 January 2017, 21:20:06
So let's hear some thoughts on the USA trading California to Mexico in return for Mexico paying to build the wall?

Then Cuba can be added as a state to keep the usa at 50.

It would be easier to just add one of territories.  I vote for Guam, American Somoa, or US Marshall Islands, another Pacific state would nice.  Or keep it close and go with Puerto Rico or US Virgin Islands.

I guess I'm going to have to brush up on my Spanish.  Do you think they will get enough money to run the wall along the California/Arizona,Nevada, Oregon, border as well?

I wonder how they will work it around the Lake Tahoe Basin.

On behalf of my friends and coworkers from Iran, what the actual **** is this retard doing?

What a frickin fiasco.   I'm just starting to think that he needs to undergo psychiatric evaluation.  The belief is conspiracy theories and impulsive policy making as a president is just too much.  At least get some decent legal counsel that will prevent unconstitutional executive orders.

However, if I'm a struggling American in a dire situation (although not as dire as being forced from ones home and country), I have to ask: Why all this compassion for immigrants and refugees, but not me?  Where is my help and team of protestors?

Did anyone else catch Ashley Judd's recitation at the Women's event last week?


No, I generally don't pay attention to celebrity activism or speeches because they are not in positions of power that are responsible for decisions that affect hundreds of millions of people.  Celebrity fueds and controversies are simply a distraction to take our minds off other more pertinent matters, like how your elected and appointed officials are abusing their power.  That's what we always must be aware of and not allow wedge issues to pit us commoners in separate corners.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iceman2733 on Sat, 28 January 2017, 21:21:02
Sorry didn't mean for it to be good sir and I really don't mean to single out the other gentleman.  My point is this act was put in place I do understand the UN does works with organizations to help population control.  My point is only as adults we should understand for each action there is a a consequence.  Cause and affect.  Provide help to those that truly need it but murdering babies because the adults do understand the consequence to there actions is needless.  Not meaning to pick a fight but as a working class guy with a family I am sick of everyone else living off of our hard earned tax dollars while the rest of us do the best we can and live and pay for our consequences. 

I don’t see why taxpayer money should go towards funding abortion if significant numbers of people are strongly opposed to it. Trump hasn’t outlawed abortion, nor should it be outlawed. Just don’t use other people’s money to pay for something that ultimately you are responsible for.

Well, saying that the tax money is simply going towards mitigating unwanted side effects of procreation is quite misguided and is a drastically simplified dismissal of a significantly larger issue. For starters, the money is not only used for providing abortion related services, but also many other things such as basic contraceptives, cervical cancer screening, maternal health, STD prevention/treatment/education, and so on. By denying funding based on a small section of what an NGO does, it removes support for all of the above as well.

Secondly, as far as abortion itself is concerned, one also has to look at it through the lens of the countries that these NGOs serve in, not a modern one. We're talking countries where people don't have proper sex education, and have no idea what and how it actually happens. Countries where millions of uneducated underaged women get pregnant through no fault of their own. For that matter, how can people be responsible for their actions, especially women, if they are completely clueless, defenseless, and often basically kids? How can someone pin the blame for abortion on someone that may routinely be forced into marriage, raped in a war conflict, or abused by their family? Is the lack of empowerment of women in those countries really a thing that can be willfully ignored for the sake of simple hand-waving and excuses?

Earlier in the thread some voiced their discontent at overpopulation and high birth rates in some parts of the world, yet it's all quite conveniently forgotten when it's so easy to have a knee-jerk reaction. Well, here it is, the "liberal" solution to overpopulation - education, prevention, empowerment of women, and yes where needed, abortion. Helping countries cut down on high birth rates (primarily via education and birth control, not abortions), on vast poverty that results from that, is a far more preferred alternative than isolationism and eventual wars and migrant crises that will inevitably result. I wonder what is currently more acceptable, taxing people to help other countries, or taxing people to mingle in a conflict in other countries that is at least partially due to a population crisis. Relevant link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348), for those who can't bother to read long studies with statistics. Lack of access to basic contraceptives as the direct result of cut funding will only increase the rates of abortion and in turn since nobody will be able to perform them safely, high death rates for women attempting to have some semblance of normal life for themselves in abject poverty.

People are failing to see the forest for the trees, and when such outlooks become the de facto policies of the entire country it spits in the face of decades of hard scientific research and selfless work of millions that work and volunteer for NGOs in the hardest conditions possible. It seems that some are all too happy to start dancing on the freshly dug grave of progress.
Let's put it this way than why should US tax dollars go to help other countries that aren't helping themselves?????   Is the US the only country that can help them I highly doubt it.  Maybe as a society we should stop giving excuses for individuals actions and start making individuals be accountable for there actions.  There is no accountability given anymore everything and everyone has accuses and if they can not come up with one someone else will.   As a society we need to stop expecting others to pay or do for us and learn to do for ourselves.  A good saying give a man a fish he will eat a meal, teach a man to fish and he will have food for life. 

The middle class US worker is getting nothing but taxes taken from them to pay for others while who helps them pay for thier families or pay to put there children/kids thru schooling.  As I have said before no one offers to help the American citizens that are a working providing tax paying individual/family but than again who are we just the people paying the bills.

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 28 January 2017, 21:35:24
Anyone who thinks Hillary would have given women equal pay are as delusional as the Trump supporters who think he's going to bring all the jobs back.

I probably would have voted Hillary if the Democrat/Soros machine did a better job at hiding the rapes and other brutal crimes of Syrian/Middle Eastern refugees in Europe.

This is just the normal turn of events in that 8 years of Demicraps means you will get the return of the Republicans to even the keel of democracy here.  Although now it's the first time an 'uncontrollable' is put into the white house instead of another party-camp felcher (which has occurred throughout US history - really confused with what had happened).

Hope having a non-party member in power, will pay dividends here but we need time to see what shall happen over the next few months.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 29 January 2017, 00:53:05
The wage gap is a proven myth, anyone even slightly educated in the matter knows this.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 29 January 2017, 01:36:39
The wage gap is a proven myth, anyone even slightly educated in the matter knows this.

The part that kills me is that its made to sound like these two metaphorically equal people with the exception of gender, are doing the same job and the woman is only paid ~77 percent of the man. Its simply not true and unsurprisingly, men also die on the job at a rate 9x that of women. Height discrimination is a much more real thing.

Women do face real prejudices in the workplace but not in this wage-gap war cry.

BTW Ashley Judd, all prescriptions for men and women are tax-free and over-the-counter medications (i.e. Rogaine) are taxed in all but 8 states. If they made female hygiene products tax-free, I wouldn't care.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 January 2017, 02:15:34
The wage gap is a proven myth, anyone even slightly educated in the matter knows this.

The part that kills me is that its made to sound like these two metaphorically equal people with the exception of gender, are doing the same job and the woman is only paid ~77 percent of the man. Its simply not true and unsurprisingly, men also die on the job at a rate 9x that of women. Height discrimination is a much more real thing.

Women do face real prejudices in the workplace but not in this wage-gap war cry.

BTW Ashley Judd, all prescriptions for men and women are tax-free and over-the-counter medications (i.e. Rogaine) are taxed in all but 8 states. If they made female hygiene products tax-free, I wouldn't care.



This is only because you're not a man working in a company that makes female hygiene products... 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 29 January 2017, 02:32:40

So let's hear some thoughts on the USA trading California to Mexico


Don't be ridiculous. California should annex Mexico and become the California Republic again. California's GDP is twice as large as Mexico's.

 http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html (http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html)

That's weird, I watched the Mask of Zorro yesterday...

I am completely in awe of this travel ban. Green card and visa holders being prevented from travelling back HOME. A Scottish student with an Iranian passport can't get back to Scotland from Costa Rica because her flight takes her through the USA.

Unconstitutional doesn't even cover it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Sun, 29 January 2017, 07:18:07
OK, let's just cut through the bull**** here for a second. The guy is as close to openly evil as is politically possible and millions voted for him. I mean what the hell, America?!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 29 January 2017, 08:32:16

I mean what the hell, America?!


Brexit X 1000
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Sun, 29 January 2017, 08:56:25

I mean what the hell, America?!


Brexit X 1000
As if that wasn't "what the hell" enough D: . 2016 was a miserable year, I think we can all agree.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ideus on Sun, 29 January 2017, 09:49:53
Anyone who thinks Hillary would have given women equal pay are as delusional as the Trump supporters who think he's going to bring all the jobs back.

I probably would have voted Hillary if the Democrat/Soros machine did a better job at hiding the rapes and other brutal crimes of Syrian/Middle Eastern refugees in Europe.

This is just the normal turn of events in that 8 years of Demicraps means you will get the return of the Republicans to even the keel of democracy here.  Although now it's the first time an 'uncontrollable' is put into the white house instead of another party-camp felcher (which has occurred throughout US history - really confused with what had happened).

Hope having a non-party member in power, will pay dividends here but we need time to see what shall happen over the next few months.

US bought a dangerous and expensive lottery ticket. The outcome could be very nasty. It feels now that there will be no winner at all, but a wounded and divided country.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 29 January 2017, 10:11:23

there will be no winner at all, but a wounded and divided country.

Assuming that the wound is not fatal, I feel certain that this will finally wake up and unify progressives at least.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 29 January 2017, 12:04:22

there will be no winner at all, but a wounded and divided country.

Assuming that the wound is not fatal, I feel certain that this will finally wake up and unify progressives at least.

We've been through similar things, and the country still stands.  I hold on to that hope, and the hope that it does not turn to violence before it starts to get better.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Sun, 29 January 2017, 12:29:59
I'm pretty annoyed by the ham-fisted immigration order... what a cluster f*ck ...  I have seen Officials for DOJ and State saying nobody talked to them about any of this and they just blindsided everyone with this ...

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 29 January 2017, 13:42:27
It's funny... everywhere I see posts like "Trump did XYZ. Not nice! Sir, I'm retracting my vote for you!" Hahahaha... yeah... if it would only work that way.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Sun, 29 January 2017, 14:11:34
It's funny... everywhere I see posts like "Trump did XYZ. Not nice! Sir, I'm retracting my vote for you!" Hahahaha... yeah... if it would only work that way.

I didn't actually vote for him... I accidentally refrained from voting for pres...as while looking at my absentee ballot I couldn't initially stomach either obvious choice... so i skipped it planning to come back to it.. and forgot and sealed the envelope at which point I figured... meh just as well.

I'm hoping Trump learns from some initial missteps and learns to work with State and the DOJ ..well and other Governmental Agencies before trying to massively revise something again.   The goal of keeping terrorist threats out is great and all... but the way this was bungled is not a great way to start off.

Anyone with any sense advising Trump should have strongly warned him that this plan was highly likely to get an injunction and probably loose in court, and as such should not be initiated in this form as to avoid an embarrassing climb down defeat out of the gate...


However... I kinda see a possible long view someone might be pushing...   

Go for it... get rebuked

wait... and sooner or later some radical lone wolf or terror cell launches some sort of attack

then go on the offensive about how you tired to protect the people and blah blah blah ...liberals stopped you... and ride a populous wave to enacting even more draconian polices  and to re-election..


but who knows... it could just be loose cannon central over at the WH right about now????
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 29 January 2017, 14:26:58

I didn't actually vote for him ....


Frankly, I hold you personally responsible for this mess.

It is  you and 96 MILLION others just like you  who allowed 26% of the eligible voters in the US to put those stubby fingers on the red button.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Sun, 29 January 2017, 14:34:48

I didn't actually vote for him ....


Frankly, I hold you personally responsible for this mess.

It is  you and 96 MILLION others just like you  who allowed 26% of the eligible voters in the US to put those stubby fingers on the red button.


do you by any chance work for CNN...taking the first six words out of context... nice...  :)

also living in CA my vote didn't matter.. nobody in their right minds would have thought voting for anyone or anything was going to change the result in CA..     If I was a swing state voter, maybe I'd feel worse about forgetting to go back and picking someone..  Honest mistake on my part... **** happens.. it had been a long day.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 January 2017, 14:39:50
OK, let's just cut through the bull**** here for a second. The guy is as close to openly evil as is politically possible and millions voted for him. I mean what the hell, America?!

No, he's not openly evil..  He's just TRANSPARENT as to how the GAME is played in politics..

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Then there is the REALITY of how people are..  self first.. then if you're lucky, he sees the rest of humanity.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 29 January 2017, 15:32:14
The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Say what now? DID YOU JUST ASSUME THE MEDIA'S RACE?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 29 January 2017, 15:42:21

I didn't actually vote for him ....


Frankly, I hold you personally responsible for this mess.

It is  you and 96 MILLION others just like you  who allowed 26% of the eligible voters in the US to put those stubby fingers on the red button.


do you by any chance work for CNN...taking the first six words out of context... nice...  :)

also living in CA my vote didn't matter.. nobody in their right minds would have thought voting for anyone or anything was going to change the result in CA..     If I was a swing state voter, maybe I'd feel worse about forgetting to go back and picking someone..  Honest mistake on my part... **** happens.. it had been a long day.

Don't worry.  It's this kind of thinking that makes it so people pretend not to know how the electoral college doesn't work until the popular and electoral college votes don't line up, then do nothing about it in the intervening years until it happens again.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Sun, 29 January 2017, 15:43:04
OK, let's just cut through the bull**** here for a second. The guy is as close to openly evil as is politically possible and millions voted for him. I mean what the hell, America?!

No, he's not openly evil..  He's just TRANSPARENT as to how the GAME is played in politics..

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Then there is the REALITY of how people are..  self first.. then if you're lucky, he sees the rest of humanity.
You really ought to go out and see the rest of the world for a change, you'd be surprised at how the rest of humanity manages :p .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 29 January 2017, 15:52:39

 .... taking the first six words out of context ....


I seek clarity and directness in my comments. I seldom quote entire posts, because I wish to respond to specific individual statements.

And I re-checked my figures, the non-voters who allowed Trump to slither in numbered ~93M rather than ~96M. Anyone in that group should be ashamed.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 29 January 2017, 16:31:40
OK, let's just cut through the bull**** here for a second. The guy is as close to openly evil as is politically possible and millions voted for him. I mean what the hell, America?!

No, he's not openly evil..  He's just TRANSPARENT as to how the GAME is played in politics..

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Then there is the REALITY of how people are..  self first.. then if you're lucky, he sees the rest of humanity.
You really ought to go out and see the rest of the world for a change, you'd be surprised at how the rest of humanity manages :p .

Actually, I really agree and deeply belief about the "self first"-disease. We are raised by it, nurtured by it. We are taught that self-interest is "logical" and "makes sense" and that it is what a "rational" being would do. Of course, it is not our true nature - or so I have decided to belief - but if you reiterate a falsehood long enough it becomes truth.

Whole neoliberalism is founded on this idea: it is only rational to look out for yourself. And then it became: so you should.

If we are being fed this nonsense, people with a moral identity, with a weak moral development, will not learn to resist their urge to f**k anybody over because "the peeps at the top say it is good if I do this" and we keep being screwed over and over again.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 29 January 2017, 17:17:58

Whole neoliberalism is founded on this idea: it is only rational to look out for yourself. And then it became: so you should.

If we are being fed this nonsense, people with a moral identity, with a weak moral development, will not learn to resist their urge to f**k anybody over because "the peeps at the top say it is good if I do this" and we keep being screwed over and over again.


I am not sure what you are saying but I think that you must be pretty young.

For Americans, the whole "Greed is Good" thing was the ugly evil mantra that the horrible hateful Reagan rode in on in 1980.

Liberalism is rooted in the idea that we are all in this together and that fairness and compassion are the virtues to strive for.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 January 2017, 17:21:58
OK, let's just cut through the bull**** here for a second. The guy is as close to openly evil as is politically possible and millions voted for him. I mean what the hell, America?!

No, he's not openly evil..  He's just TRANSPARENT as to how the GAME is played in politics..

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Then there is the REALITY of how people are..  self first.. then if you're lucky, he sees the rest of humanity.
You really ought to go out and see the rest of the world for a change, you'd be surprised at how the rest of humanity manages :p .

Actually, I really agree and deeply belief about the "self first"-disease. We are raised by it, nurtured by it. We are taught that self-interest is "logical" and "makes sense" and that it is what a "rational" being would do. Of course, it is not our true nature - or so I have decided to belief - but if you reiterate a falsehood long enough it becomes truth.

Whole neoliberalism is founded on this idea: it is only rational to look out for yourself. And then it became: so you should.

If we are being fed this nonsense, people with a moral identity, with a weak moral development, will not learn to resist their urge to f**k anybody over because "the peeps at the top say it is good if I do this" and we keep being screwed over and over again.


It's not a belief, iLLucionist ,    it's a designed spec..

There would be no other people without the Self..     Because we are not fiber-optically linked..  Our systems can not truly empathize AT LARGE..

It has the processing capacity to take SOME air-cross i/o via empathy neurons stimulated by the body's sensors,  But this system is very very very limited on bandwidth..



The cost to connectivity between humans is simply too great, relative to simple subjugation (slave) to main processors..   Which is why the economic model is the way it is.. It exists because even though we SERVE,  the productivity improvement is superior to a truly democratic decision tree.. WHICH no human would actually have time or processing capacity for.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 January 2017, 18:24:28
For Americans, the whole "Greed is Good" thing was the ugly evil mantra that the horrible hateful Reagan rode in on in 1980.

Liberalism is rooted in the idea that we are all in this together and that fairness and compassion are the virtues to strive for.

Pretty much the main Bill Board of the American Lifestyle served everywhere on this Planet.

Reagan can't be solely blamed for this but he did contribute to the interference by way of God and Country onto every sphere of Political discussion and it is still alive and well within Washington.  Don't really see it changing much but thus far Trump has definitely kicked that perverse mantra down the road a bit.  Pretty difficult to completely remove it from the reins of power, since most Republicans still believe in their right to do anything much like the perverted fanatics in the Middle East and having the previous President using them to promote "Regime Change" helps to further distort the real meaning of fairness and compassion.

Since Isis came into existence under the previous incumbent what's left now is a totally damaged world where the main stream media is lost in it's portraying of the next deluded narrative.  Have to wait and see how they'll spin the next set of lies to promote their sick agenda.

Trump thus far has acted upon what he promised during his election campaign and so far he has been far more honest than Reagan, Clinton, Bush or Obama have ever been.  They all LIED to their constituencies and that is why the American Public are through with trusting anymore corrupted Political Parasites, who have constantly served the interests of Wall Street and the perverse Liberalization of the Planet.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 January 2017, 18:39:40
For Americans, the whole "Greed is Good" thing was the ugly evil mantra that the horrible hateful Reagan rode in on in 1980.

Liberalism is rooted in the idea that we are all in this together and that fairness and compassion are the virtues to strive for.

Pretty much the main Bill Board of the American Lifestyle served everywhere on this Planet.

Reagan can't be solely blamed for this but he did contribute to the interference by way of God and Country onto every sphere of Political discussion and it is still alive and well within Washington.  Don't really see it changing much but thus far Trump has definitely kicked that perverse mantra down the road a bit.  Pretty difficult to completely remove it from the reins of power, since most Republicans still believe in their right to do anything much like the perverted fanatics in the Middle East and having the previous President using them to promote "Regime Change" helps to further distort the real meaning of fairness and compassion.

Since Isis came into existence under the previous incumbent what's left now is a totally damaged world where the main stream media is lost in it's portraying of the next deluded narrative.  Have to wait and see how they'll spin the next set of lies to promote their sick agenda.

Trump thus far has acted upon what he promised during his election campaign and so far he has been far more honest than Reagan, Clinton, Bush or Obama have ever been.  They all LIED to their constituencies and that is why the American Public are through with trusting anymore corrupted Political Parasites, who have constantly served the interests of Wall Street and the perverse Liberalization of the Planet.



These concepts are all Fine on their own..

The reality of PEOPLE is much different..

It's naive to believe that any animal adheres to the impossible intellectual ideals.




Every person can imagine a perfect sphere, and even possibly define it..

However, the creation of such a thing is outside our ability.


It is the same with all other cognitive creations.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ideus on Sun, 29 January 2017, 18:55:53
Ignoring the nature of Economics does not eliminate its effects. US Economy is intrinsecally linked with the world's. It is like an organ in a body, it just could not live in a stand alone form.

Jobs are part of an economy, they cannot be created by an executive order. This POTUS can make a great show and even convince the average Joe that he is fulfilling his promises, but turning the Economic system up side down will not help anyone in the long term.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 January 2017, 18:57:32
Ignoring the nature of Economics does not eliminate its effects. US Economy is intrinsecally linked with the world's. It is like an organ in a body, it just could not live in a stand alone form.

Jobs are part of an economy, they cannot be created by an executive order. This POTUS can make a great show and even convince the average Joe that he is fulfilling his promises, but turning the Economic system up side down will not help anyone in the long term.


Turbulance is exactly what we need..

Economic upset is nausea in the short term,  but it is a REBALANCING in the long term.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ideus on Sun, 29 January 2017, 19:04:06
Ignoring the nature of Economics does not eliminate its effects. US Economy is intrinsecally linked with the world's. It is like an organ in a body, it just could not live in a stand alone form.

Jobs are part of an economy, they cannot be created by an executive order. This POTUS can make a great show and even convince the average Joe that he is fulfilling his promises, but turning the Economic system up side down will not help anyone in the long term.


Turbulance is exactly what we need..

Economic upset is nausea in the short term,  but it is a REBALANCING in the long term.

I'll see you in four years.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 29 January 2017, 19:18:11
Ignoring the nature of Economics does not eliminate its effects. US Economy is intrinsecally linked with the world's. It is like an organ in a body, it just could not live in a stand alone form.

Jobs are part of an economy, they cannot be created by an executive order. This POTUS can make a great show and even convince the average Joe that he is fulfilling his promises, but turning the Economic system up side down will not help anyone in the long term.


Turbulance is exactly what we need..

Economic upset is nausea in the short term,  but it is a REBALANCING in the long term.

I'll see you in four years.

First two years are probably the most important to Trump while Republicans hold the majority in the House and Senate. Midterm elections in 2018 will certainly be interesting, especially considering that of the 33 seats up for grabs in the Senate, 25 of them are currently held by Democrats, not including Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Sun, 29 January 2017, 21:47:57
wee woo wee woo
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ideus on Sun, 29 January 2017, 21:51:03
Ignoring the nature of Economics does not eliminate its effects. US Economy is intrinsecally linked with the world's. It is like an organ in a body, it just could not live in a stand alone form.

Jobs are part of an economy, they cannot be created by an executive order. This POTUS can make a great show and even convince the average Joe that he is fulfilling his promises, but turning the Economic system up side down will not help anyone in the long term.


Turbulance is exactly what we need..

Economic upset is nausea in the short term,  but it is a REBALANCING in the long term.

I'll see you in four years.

First two years are probably the most important to Trump while Republicans hold the majority in the House and Senate. Midterm elections in 2018 will certainly be interesting, especially considering that of the 33 seats up for grabs in the Senate, 25 of them are currently held by Democrats, not including Bernie Sanders.

That's true.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abjr on Sun, 29 January 2017, 22:31:38
No point in feeding the troll. You will just get an ever-increasing avalanche of amoral Chinese psycho-babble.

Hahaha.. I always knew you were a racist bigot on the inside..

Right before these posts, I prove you wrong yet again.. and that time for Lying..

Now you pile on the name-calling..

/ fohat.dig.. so trashy..

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Pot meet kettle. Not cool tp4. Not cool.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 29 January 2017, 23:21:12
No point in feeding the troll. You will just get an ever-increasing avalanche of amoral Chinese psycho-babble.

Hahaha.. I always knew you were a racist bigot on the inside..

Right before these posts, I prove you wrong yet again.. and that time for Lying..

Now you pile on the name-calling..

/ fohat.dig.. so trashy..

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Pot meet kettle. Not cool tp4. Not cool.

Well played.  Well played.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 30 January 2017, 00:03:42

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Pot meet kettle. Not cool tp4. Not cool.



Hahahaha..

I used the term Jewish in a positive way..  But if you've interpreted that negatively, it's your own chip on the shoulder..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Mon, 30 January 2017, 14:55:00
For Americans, the whole "Greed is Good" thing was the ugly evil mantra that the horrible hateful Reagan rode in on in 1980.

Liberalism is rooted in the idea that we are all in this together and that fairness and compassion are the virtues to strive for.

Pretty much the main Bill Board of the American Lifestyle served everywhere on this Planet.

Reagan can't be solely blamed for this but he did contribute to the interference by way of God and Country onto every sphere of Political discussion and it is still alive and well within Washington.  Don't really see it changing much but thus far Trump has definitely kicked that perverse mantra down the road a bit.  Pretty difficult to completely remove it from the reins of power, since most Republicans still believe in their right to do anything much like the perverted fanatics in the Middle East and having the previous President using them to promote "Regime Change" helps to further distort the real meaning of fairness and compassion.

Since Isis came into existence under the previous incumbent what's left now is a totally damaged world where the main stream media is lost in it's portraying of the next deluded narrative.  Have to wait and see how they'll spin the next set of lies to promote their sick agenda.

Trump thus far has acted upon what he promised during his election campaign and so far he has been far more honest than Reagan, Clinton, Bush or Obama have ever been.  They all LIED to their constituencies and that is why the American Public are through with trusting anymore corrupted Political Parasites, who have constantly served the interests of Wall Street and the perverse Liberalization of the Planet.

I thought if it was posted on 4chan or Reddit then it's legit

The general population is fed a certain IMAGE by the Ruling jewish media, of how their leaders are..

Pot meet kettle. Not cool tp4. Not cool.



Hahahaha..

I used the term Jewish in a positive way..  But if you've interpreted that negatively, it's your own chip on the shoulder..

Yea, that's called reverse racism abjr...reported.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Thu, 02 February 2017, 20:17:32
so I read something about a Bodega strike in NY.... and then I thought to myself... is there anything your average Republican cares less about than a Bodega being closed in protest??? and I got nothing???  seriously  I kinda only know what one is because of watching Law & Order..  ;D
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 February 2017, 20:23:32
so I read something about a Bodega strike in NY.... and then I thought to myself... is there anything your average Republican cares less about than a Bodega being closed in protest??? and I got nothing???  seriously  I kinda only know what one is because of watching Law & Order..  ;D

I could never get into law and order..

Not enough spaceships or robots..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Thu, 02 February 2017, 20:32:54
so I read something about a Bodega strike in NY.... and then I thought to myself... is there anything your average Republican cares less about than a Bodega being closed in protest??? and I got nothing???  seriously  I kinda only know what one is because of watching Law & Order..  ;D

I could never get into law and order..

Not enough spaceships or robots..


ah... you got to watch the Law and Order Criminal Intent...for robots????
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 06 February 2017, 20:25:54
so I read something about a Bodega strike in NY.... and then I thought to myself... is there anything your average Republican cares less about than a Bodega being closed in protest??? and I got nothing???  seriously  I kinda only know what one is because of watching Law & Order..  ;D

I could never get into law and order..

Not enough spaceships or robots..


ah... you got to watch the Law and Order Criminal Intent...for robots? ???

Of course not he fancies Det. Serena Stevens.  She is the hottest one in that show, the Mrs has to be out when I view Serena  ;) .

Would love for her to be an under cover Fembot ready for action with any perpetrator she apprehends.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 February 2017, 21:31:06


Of course not he fancies Det. Serena Stevens.  She is the hottest one in that show, the Mrs has to be out when I view Serena  ;) .

Would love for her to be an under cover Fembot ready for action with any perpetrator she apprehends.

serena stevens ain' aht nuttn on tricia helfer
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 07 February 2017, 20:46:43
nuttn on tricia helfer

Hey, hey...... Tricia Helfer shines in Lucifer.

She's better off as Satan's Mother here so leave it be.  Besides she only played a bit part on CSI many years ago.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:28:35

I probably would have voted Hillary if the Democrat/Soros machine did a better job at hiding the rapes and other brutal crimes by Syrian/Middle Eastern refugees in Europe.

I'm not afraid of Islam: I'm afraid of religion.


However, if I'm a struggling American in a dire situation (although not as dire as being forced from ones home and country), I have to ask: Why all this compassion for immigrants and refugees, but not me?  Where is my help and team of protestors?


No, I generally don't pay attention to celebrity activism or speeches because they are not in positions of power that are responsible for decisions that affect hundreds of millions of people.  Celebrity fueds and controversies are simply a distraction to take our minds off other more pertinent matters, like how your elected and appointed officials are abusing their power.  That's what we always must be aware of and not allow wedge issues to pit us commoners in separate corners.

Let's put it this way than why should US tax dollars go to help other countries that aren't helping themselves?????   Is the US the only country that can help them I highly doubt it.  Maybe as a society we should stop giving excuses for individuals actions and start making individuals be accountable for there actions.  There is no accountability given anymore everything and everyone has accuses and if they can not come up with one someone else will.   As a society we need to stop expecting others to pay or do for us and learn to do for ourselves.  A good saying give a man a fish he will eat a meal, teach a man to fish and he will have food for life. 

The middle class US worker is getting nothing but taxes taken from them to pay for others while who helps them pay for thier families or pay to put there children/kids thru schooling.  As I have said before no one offers to help the American citizens that are a working providing tax paying individual/family but than again who are we just the people paying the bills.

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The liberals, progressives and globalists on the left don’t seem very concerned with their own fellow citizens. They are more concerned with their jihad to spread their values to the rest of the world.

Consistently I see the media showing more concern for non-citizen Muslims, than for the victims of Muslim terrorism. If a Muslim is insulted in the NYC subway it makes headline news, but stuff about Christians being massacred in the Central African Republic by Muslims or Yazidis being genocided by Muslims tends to make smaller headlines.

Americans have been kidnapped and held hostage and terrorized and beheaded by Muslims for decades, and there are almost never any demonstrations. Now Trump follows up on a campaign promise and slaps a TEMPORARY ban pending extreme vetting on countries that have been a proven source of terrorists for years, and literally millions turn out to demonstrate.

Boston Marathon Massacre didn’t bring millions into the streets. Protecting the migration ‘rights’ of Iraqis did. Clearly the liberals prefer people who routinely shout ‘death to America’ and ‘death to Israel’ over Boston victims.

I don’t understand why the US must ‘defend’ Europe against Russia. The EU has an economy 10 times the size of Russia, a population 3 times as big, and far superior technology. If Turkey is included, European NATO has 4x the military manpower that Russia has. All the statistical advantages are in European hands. If they can’t or won’t defend themselves, then NATO should be disbanded.

Likewise the USA has no business defending South Korea against the North. South Korean GNP is 40 times that of the North. Their population is 2x as big. They spend 3x as much on their military. Their technology is literally world class. I’ll bet that not a single member of geekhack does not have multiple examples of South Korean high technology in his home. If mad dictator Kim is still a threat to South Korea, that is because South Koreans are willing to accept a Kim dictatorship.

Madonna just took another two Malawi infants in for adoption. Like many Hollywood celebs, she loves making a big show of taking some third world kids from their homelands and raising them in conditions of great privilege. Strangely these celebs pay very little attention to the poor and disprivileged in the USA. I’m sure Madonna is rich enough to pay for a total overhaul of the Flint water system and Meryl Streep can buy up and fix entire neighborhoods in Detroit. But they’ll rather go to Cambodia and Ethiopia for their trophy non-white infants.

Liberals will beat and burn Trump in effigy, but not Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. That Der Spiegel magazine cover, portraying Trump as Jihadi John, really says it all. They can't tell an elected president from a murderous terrorist. At this rate we won't be able to tell Der Spiegel from Der Sturmer.

Recently Trump’s wall building and visa blocking have caused many Silicon valley hypocrites to pop out and make pious statements about liberal values. Quite ironically, Mark Zuckerberg just built a mile long wall to block off Native Hawaiians from accessing a public beach, and tried to sue and drive off hundreds of Natives from their ancestral lands. He has 700 hectares that he doesn't need to farm. Many of these natives have just a few acres to farm, surrounded by Zuckerberg property. He wants to deny access using legal tricks when access is already part of traditional Hawaiian land rights. To me, this is symbolic of the problem of liberalism. Their charity doesn’t begin at home. It begins 5000 miles away.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:32:13
Let's put it this way than why should US tax dollars go to help other countries that aren't helping themselves?????   Is the US the only country that can help them I highly doubt it.  Maybe as a society we should stop giving excuses for individuals actions and start making individuals be accountable for there actions.  There is no accountability given anymore everything and everyone has accuses and if they can not come up with one someone else will.   As a society we need to stop expecting others to pay or do for us and learn to do for ourselves.  A good saying give a man a fish he will eat a meal, teach a man to fish and he will have food for life. 

The middle class US worker is getting nothing but taxes taken from them to pay for others while who helps them pay for thier families or pay to put there children/kids thru schooling.  As I have said before no one offers to help the American citizens that are a working providing tax paying individual/family but than again who are we just the people paying the bills.

The liberals, progressives and globalists on the left don’t seem very concerned with their own fellow citizens. They are more concerned with their jihad to spread their values to the rest of the world.

Consistently I see the media showing more concern for non-citizen Muslims, than for the victims of Muslim terrorism. If a Muslim is insulted in the NYC subway it makes headline news, but stuff about Christians being massacred in the Central African Republic by Muslims or Yazidis being genocided by Muslims tends to make smaller headlines.

Americans have been kidnapped and held hostage and terrorized and beheaded by Muslims for decades, and there are almost never any demonstrations. Now Trump follows up on a campaign promise and slaps a TEMPORARY ban pending extreme vetting on countries that have been a proven source of terrorists for years, and literally millions turn out to demonstrate.

Boston Marathon Massacre didn’t bring millions into the streets. Protecting the migration ‘rights’ of Iraqis did. Clearly the liberals prefer people who routinely shout ‘death to America’ and ‘death to Israel’ over Boston victims.

I don’t understand why the US must ‘defend’ Europe against Russia. The EU has an economy 10 times the size of Russia, a population 3 times as big, and far superior technology. If Turkey is included, European NATO has 4x the military manpower that Russia has. All the statistical advantages are in European hands. If they can’t or won’t defend themselves, then NATO should be disbanded.

Likewise the USA has no business defending South Korea against the North. South Korean GNP is 40 times that of the North. Their population is 2x as big. They spend 3x as much on their military. Their technology is literally world class. I’ll bet that not a single member of geekhack does not have multiple examples of South Korean high technology in his home. If mad dictator Kim is still a threat to South Korea, that is because South Koreans are willing to accept a Kim dictatorship.

Madonna just took another two Malawi infants in for adoption. Like many Hollywood celebs, she loves making a big show of taking some third world kids from their homelands and raising them in conditions of great privilege. Strangely these celebs pay very little attention to the poor and disprivileged in the USA. I’m sure Madonna is rich enough to pay for a total overhaul of the Flint water system and Meryl Streep can buy up and fix entire neighborhoods in Detroit. But they’ll rather go to Cambodia and Ethiopia for their trophy non-white infants.

Liberals will beat and burn Trump in effigy, but not Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. That Der Spiegel magazine cover, portraying Trump as Jihadi John, really says it all. They can't tell an elected president from a murderous terrorist. At this rate we won't be able to tell Der Spiegel from Der Sturmer.

Recently Trump’s wall building and visa blocking have caused many Silicon valley hypocrites to pop out and make pious statements about liberal values. Quite ironically, Mark Zuckerberg just built a mile long wall to block off Native Hawaiians from accessing a public beach, and tried to sue and drive off hundreds of Natives from their ancestral lands. He has 700 hectares that he doesn't need to farm. Many of these natives have just a few acres to farm, surrounded by Zuckerberg property. He wants to deny access using legal tricks when access is already part of traditional Hawaiian land rights. To me, this is symbolic of the problem of liberalism. Their charity doesn’t begin at home. It begins 5000 miles away.


This might be the best post I've read in a while.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:34:34
Ít's funny when you say liberals can't tell Trump from a terrorist when it's clear that most republicans can't tell a regular Muslim from a terrorist either.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:38:18
Ít's funny when you say liberals can't tell Trump from a terrorist when it's clear that most republicans can't tell a regular Muslim from a terrorist either.

It's funny that liberals hate America and Republicans don't.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:45:49
Ít's funny when you say liberals can't tell Trump from a terrorist when it's clear that most republicans can't tell a regular Muslim from a terrorist either.

It's funny that liberals hate America and Republicans don't.

By "hate America" you mean letting immigrants and refugees in, right? Granting asylum to US Military interpreters, families fleeing conflict and political persecution, right?

And by "don't hate America" you mean setting fire to people's property, right? Just because they have a different religion which they are free to practise because of the constitution, or preventing people with visas and green cards from coming into the country, which is protected by the constitution, right?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:48:58
Ít's funny when you say liberals can't tell Trump from a terrorist when it's clear that most republicans can't tell a regular Muslim from a terrorist either.

It's funny that liberals hate America and Republicans don't.

By "hate America" you mean letting immigrants and refugees in, right? Granting asylum to US Military interpreters, families fleeing conflict and political persecution, right?

And by "don't hate America" you mean setting fire to people's property, right? Just because they have a different religion which they are free to practise because of the constitution, or preventing people with visas and green cards from coming into the country, which is protected by the constitution, right?

That's a lot of hate speech, not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 08 February 2017, 15:49:57

The liberals, progressives and globalists on the left don’t seem very concerned with their own fellow citizens. They are more concerned with their jihad to spread their values to the rest of the world.

Consistently I see the media showing more concern for non-citizen Muslims, than for the victims of Muslim terrorism. If a Muslim is insulted in the NYC subway it makes headline news, but stuff about Christians being massacred in the Central African Republic by Muslims or Yazidis being genocided by Muslims tends to make smaller headlines.

Americans have been kidnapped and held hostage and terrorized and beheaded by Muslims for decades, and there are almost never any demonstrations. Now Trump follows up on a campaign promise and slaps a TEMPORARY ban pending extreme vetting on countries that have been a proven source of terrorists for years, and literally millions turn out to demonstrate.

Boston Marathon Massacre didn’t bring millions into the streets. Protecting the migration ‘rights’ of Iraqis did. Clearly the liberals prefer people who routinely shout ‘death to America’ and ‘death to Israel’ over Boston victims.

I don’t understand why the US must ‘defend’ Europe against Russia. The EU has an economy 10 times the size of Russia, a population 3 times as big, and far superior technology. If Turkey is included, European NATO has 4x the military manpower that Russia has. All the statistical advantages are in European hands. If they can’t or won’t defend themselves, then NATO should be disbanded.

Likewise the USA has no business defending South Korea against the North. South Korean GNP is 40 times that of the North. Their population is 2x as big. They spend 3x as much on their military. Their technology is literally world class. I’ll bet that not a single member of geekhack does not have multiple examples of South Korean high technology in his home. If mad dictator Kim is still a threat to South Korea, that is because South Koreans are willing to accept a Kim dictatorship.

Madonna just took another two Malawi infants in for adoption. Like many Hollywood celebs, she loves making a big show of taking some third world kids from their homelands and raising them in conditions of great privilege. Strangely these celebs pay very little attention to the poor and disprivileged in the USA. I’m sure Madonna is rich enough to pay for a total overhaul of the Flint water system and Meryl Streep can buy up and fix entire neighborhoods in Detroit. But they’ll rather go to Cambodia and Ethiopia for their trophy non-white infants.

Liberals will beat and burn Trump in effigy, but not Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. That Der Spiegel magazine cover, portraying Trump as Jihadi John, really says it all. They can't tell an elected president from a murderous terrorist. At this rate we won't be able to tell Der Spiegel from Der Sturmer.

Recently Trump’s wall building and visa blocking have caused many Silicon valley hypocrites to pop out and make pious statements about liberal values. Quite ironically, Mark Zuckerberg just built a mile long wall to block off Native Hawaiians from accessing a public beach, and tried to sue and drive off hundreds of Natives from their ancestral lands. He has 700 hectares that he doesn't need to farm. Many of these natives have just a few acres to farm, surrounded by Zuckerberg property. He wants to deny access using legal tricks when access is already part of traditional Hawaiian land rights. To me, this is symbolic of the problem of liberalism. Their charity doesn’t begin at home. It begins 5000 miles away.


This is so completely delusional and divorced from reality that I would not even know where to start to respond to it.

Just because the rabid radical ultra-ultra-Right calls themselves by the name "Patriots" does not make it so:

"“I’m a Leninist.” Bannon elaborated: “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

is not a statement made by a person who loves his country.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 February 2017, 16:43:19

The liberals, progressives and globalists on the left don’t seem very concerned with their own fellow citizens. They are more concerned with their jihad to spread their values to the rest of the world.

Consistently I see the media showing more concern for non-citizen Muslims, than for the victims of Muslim terrorism. If a Muslim is insulted in the NYC subway it makes headline news, but stuff about Christians being massacred in the Central African Republic by Muslims or Yazidis being genocided by Muslims tends to make smaller headlines.

Americans have been kidnapped and held hostage and terrorized and beheaded by Muslims for decades, and there are almost never any demonstrations. Now Trump follows up on a campaign promise and slaps a TEMPORARY ban pending extreme vetting on countries that have been a proven source of terrorists for years, and literally millions turn out to demonstrate.

Boston Marathon Massacre didn’t bring millions into the streets. Protecting the migration ‘rights’ of Iraqis did. Clearly the liberals prefer people who routinely shout ‘death to America’ and ‘death to Israel’ over Boston victims.

I don’t understand why the US must ‘defend’ Europe against Russia. The EU has an economy 10 times the size of Russia, a population 3 times as big, and far superior technology. If Turkey is included, European NATO has 4x the military manpower that Russia has. All the statistical advantages are in European hands. If they can’t or won’t defend themselves, then NATO should be disbanded.

Likewise the USA has no business defending South Korea against the North. South Korean GNP is 40 times that of the North. Their population is 2x as big. They spend 3x as much on their military. Their technology is literally world class. I’ll bet that not a single member of geekhack does not have multiple examples of South Korean high technology in his home. If mad dictator Kim is still a threat to South Korea, that is because South Koreans are willing to accept a Kim dictatorship.

Madonna just took another two Malawi infants in for adoption. Like many Hollywood celebs, she loves making a big show of taking some third world kids from their homelands and raising them in conditions of great privilege. Strangely these celebs pay very little attention to the poor and disprivileged in the USA. I’m sure Madonna is rich enough to pay for a total overhaul of the Flint water system and Meryl Streep can buy up and fix entire neighborhoods in Detroit. But they’ll rather go to Cambodia and Ethiopia for their trophy non-white infants.

Liberals will beat and burn Trump in effigy, but not Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. That Der Spiegel magazine cover, portraying Trump as Jihadi John, really says it all. They can't tell an elected president from a murderous terrorist. At this rate we won't be able to tell Der Spiegel from Der Sturmer.

Recently Trump’s wall building and visa blocking have caused many Silicon valley hypocrites to pop out and make pious statements about liberal values. Quite ironically, Mark Zuckerberg just built a mile long wall to block off Native Hawaiians from accessing a public beach, and tried to sue and drive off hundreds of Natives from their ancestral lands. He has 700 hectares that he doesn't need to farm. Many of these natives have just a few acres to farm, surrounded by Zuckerberg property. He wants to deny access using legal tricks when access is already part of traditional Hawaiian land rights. To me, this is symbolic of the problem of liberalism. Their charity doesn’t begin at home. It begins 5000 miles away.


This is so completely delusional and divorced from reality that I would not even know where to start to respond to it.

Just because the rabid radical ultra-ultra-Right calls themselves by the name "Patriots" does not make it so:

"“I’m a Leninist.” Bannon elaborated: “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

is not a statement made by a person who loves his country.



HAHAHAHAHA


it would seem neither of you understand what money is...

People have what they have..  they RESPOND to money as part of the collective for organization sake..  not because there's actually the ability to BUY your way out of a hole..


Dubai is a desert,  once they run out of oil,  it will go back to being JUST a desert..



A functional collective is often cruel to its individuals simply because the organizational overhead is too much for any single or even groups of humans.. 


Everything that seems unfair in your life, is actually just efficiency loss..   the loss is gigantic relative to 1 person.. But relative to all people, it's minimal..


The world is operating as well as could be done BY HUMANS..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 February 2017, 20:29:23
Best thing about Trump is the way the Idiot Mass-Media is collapsing upon itself trying to destroy him.  They in fact taken it upon themselves to attack the people's choice here as President and they're losing the battle.

All the ones who voted for him are enjoying the decapitation of the idiot media by their hero and I for one find it highly entertaining.  The mass media has lost the plot here and we (the ones who love him) enjoy this complete meltdown of the media trying to control him.  He is totally ambivalent towards them and that would be the first time in political life anyone has done that to them.

Love hearing their descriptions of him and what he is doing and thus far it's been great theater that can never be repeated by any other forthcoming swampie parasite of the future here.  He again has taken the media by it's limp balls and squashed them repeatedly and watching them thrashing about in pain is very entertaining.  First time in history, US politics has suddenly become interesting because the Media can not set the narrative for him and his own party can not control the narrative as well.  We actually have a MAN with balls that won't bow down to his party on any issue and that is why the People of the United States chose him and many people far away, truly appreciate his courage and determination.

Very proud of him to continue his fight against the third nastiest political party on the Planet known as the Mass Media, keep it up Trumpie you are still much loved here in Convict Town  :thumb: .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 February 2017, 21:13:10
Here's the lyrics for the Greatest Politician in Living memory;

No you don't have to say you love me
Baby it's alright
Cos honey I don't care
Oh baby I don't care
Oh honey I really don't care   8)

 
Courtesy of Wendy James of Transvision Vamp.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 08 February 2017, 21:21:57
Erm, okay?

45 and his administration are living in a bubble. A bubble where the lies are truths and the truth is completely out of reach. The fact that they have to make up terrorist attacks to try and justify the policies of a total imbecile is actually scary. Trying to instil fear into their own citizens to justify their policies that aren't founded in any semblance of truth is downright Fascist, if not Orwellian.

The media have lost the plot, definitely. There is no way to deal with this man or his administration in the way they would normally deal with a politician. There are no apologies, no retractions, no rationale, no research, no consideration and no facts behind the large majority of decisions and statements made on twitter, in person or on paper. Other politicians can't deal with him because he is irrational and has a temper the length of his "Political Experience" section on his CV.

Pointing fingers at the media and saying that everything they say is lies and everything you say is the truth is very, very dangerous. Especially when you have been proven of lying time and time again.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 08 February 2017, 21:59:31
I blame it all on this two party system and the media... How in the hell is a country this diverse expected to be appeased by such a small group with more wealth than the whole they represent???

I really hate talking about this ****, but it seems ****ing crazy that no one can see things from both sides(or maybe I'm just not seeing it)... I see people in here making great points from all sides, but at the same time I see them looking passed a lot of faults too.

This is also me being bored at work cause I don't have my laptop... Damn you NEWEGG!!!

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 08 February 2017, 22:05:12
To be honest I have no idea how some of these independent candidates get through. Who the **** was that guy actually on the ballot who had no idea that Aleppo was a city?

The two party system is truly ****ed. You just need an independent candidate that isn't a total ****ing imbecile.

I mean truthfully, Trump could have been an independent. Didn't need the money, didn't agree with a lot of the policies and rules set out by the party, I guess he only went with the Republicans to try and legitimise his candidacy.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 08 February 2017, 22:30:46

I mean truthfully, Trump could have been an independent. Didn't need the money, didn't agree with a lot of the policies and rules set out by the party, I guess he only went with the Republicans to try and legitimise his candidacy.
I feel like that makes sense and as an independent it would be too easy to pass on him as a wrench in the gears...

I still wonder why we even allow a solo person this kind of power??? How the hell do we not have a court of people by now (not congress either)?
I understand that America has this idea of keeping with tradition, but at what point do we try to push are melting pot society forward... whos to say that's even the right way, but it's gotta be better than what we have now? maybe...

I would be truly interested in where my $20 grand to federal is going... you know I could pay off my house with that...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 08 February 2017, 22:43:43

I mean truthfully, Trump could have been an independent. Didn't need the money, didn't agree with a lot of the policies and rules set out by the party, I guess he only went with the Republicans to try and legitimise his candidacy.
I feel like that makes sense and as an independent it would be too easy to pass on him as a wrench in the gears...

I still wonder why we even allow a solo person this kind of power??? How the hell do we not have a court of people by now (not congress either)?
I understand that America has this idea of keeping with tradition, but at what point do we try to push are melting pot society forward... whos to say that's even the right way, but it's gotta be better than what we have now? maybe...

I would be truly interested in where my $20 grand to federal is going... you know I could pay off my house with that...

Looking at it from a neutral point of view, if he had run as an independent that would have been the best way to shake up the political system. No need for financial backing, and going up against Ted Cruz and Hillary? Please. It would have been fairly easy.

As for executive orders, it is a pretty ridiculous system. Obama exploited it at the end of his tenure, and I'm sure 45 won't be the last.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Wed, 08 February 2017, 23:01:59
Ít's funny when you say liberals can't tell Trump from a terrorist when it's clear that most republicans can't tell a regular Muslim from a terrorist either.

It's funny that liberals hate America and Republicans don't.

By "hate America" you mean letting immigrants and refugees in, right? Granting asylum to US Military interpreters, families fleeing conflict and political persecution, right?

And by "don't hate America" you mean setting fire to people's property, right? Just because they have a different religion which they are free to practise because of the constitution, or preventing people with visas and green cards from coming into the country, which is protected by the constitution, right?

That's a lot of hate speech, not sure what you mean.

Really ridiculous straw man that Katushkin has set up. US right wingers and alt right people have been doing things that discredit the conservatives, such as spewing insults and threats and randomly vandalizing things.

Muslim terrorists have been doing things that discredit the Muslims, such as blowing people up and shooting people dead randomly.

Just compare the two and ask me what is worse and what causes more discrediting:

1) Conservatives who don't rein in the misuse of free speech by the alt right. Example, David Duke has never physically hurt anyone in his life, but he is always making obnoxious speech that even a fence sitter like me finds infuriating.

2) Muslims who don't speak out against Muslim terrorism that leads to real deaths. Muslims who don't make the effort to show that they have migrated to the West and intend to assimilate and respect Western norms.

How about this Katushkin, I take 1000 insults against me. You can spit on my face. I don't have a headscarf, but you can pull off my cap and throw it on the floor. You can throw 10 pigs heads at my door.

I blow up your workplace, I shoot your kids' school up, and I join a mass rape of your daughter.

Which set of actions are more contemptible, fearsome, and deserve our contumely?

Liberals are completely delusional and divorced from reality that I would not even know where to start to respond to it.

Just because the rabid radical ultra-ultra-Left calls themselves by the name "Progressives" does not make it so. They are massively importing people with unprogressive thinking into the West and doing all they can to shield and encourage such people. That's not progress at all.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 08 February 2017, 23:20:28
Normal Muslims DO speak out against radical Muslims. All the time.

How many Muslims have shot up schools in the last five years? (spoiler alert; it's zero).

How many first generation immigrants from the countries affected by this executive order have actually committed acts of terrorism on US soil? Are swastikas on the underground and attacks on places of worship to entice people to "assimilate into Western norms" by preventing them from practising their religion, which is a Western norm protected by your Western constitution.

There are bigger issues in America and the world than asylum seekers. Should probably not get rid of background checks for firearms seeing as the amount of people killed by firearms in the US is five figures every year.

Yes, we should stand up to terrorism. A lot of Muslims stand up to terrorism. Yes we should stand up to hate speech. A lot of conservatives stand up to hate speech. But there are those on both sides who do not. This distinction is important, but we should not punish all Muslims (see; travel ban) or all conservatives (see; deplorables) for the crimes of the few.

Liberals are not standing up for terrorists, at all. The left isn't advocating an open door policy, they just want people who are entitled to enter the United States to enter the United States. Children fleeing war should be allowed to enter a safe country without the risk of being sent back to a warzone.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 February 2017, 01:22:53
Liberals are not standing up for terrorists, at all.

Who was providing Al Nusra in Syria with taxpayer funding and weapons for the last 6 years? 

Let's not get all High and Mighty about the Liberals here unless you really want to show everyone your real ignorance of what has happened in the Middle East since Obama took over.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 09 February 2017, 02:20:21
Liberals are not standing up for terrorists, at all.

Who was providing Al Nusra in Syria with taxpayer funding and weapons for the last 6 years? 

Let's not get all High and Mighty about the Liberals here unless you really want to show everyone your real ignorance of what has happened in the Middle East since Obama took over.
So Bush Sr selling massive arms to Arab states is ok... but A Al Nusra General claims "Yes, the US supports the opposition [in Syria], but not directly. They support the countries that support us. But we are not yet satisfied with this support" is bad because Obama...

Thank goodness we have Captain Aussie on the case.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 09 February 2017, 03:17:22
Thank goodness we have Captain Aussie on the case.

 ****ING LOL............. but I would have gone with Captain Kangeroo, Ensign Emu, Commodore Koala,  Warrant Officer Wombat, Petty Officer Platypus, Leading Aircraftman Lizard or something with a straya spin.

I get CAPT America works really well for a US twat because of the whole Generation Kill thing,  but it doesn't seem to have the same effect when applied to Australian's (not calling Elrick a twat here just assuming that was what Apocalypse was trying to convey).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 09 February 2017, 04:47:03
Thank goodness we have Captain Aussie on the case.

 ****ING LOL............. but I would have gone with Captain Kangeroo, Ensign Emu, Commodore Koala,  Warrant Officer Wombat, Petty Officer Platypus, Leading Aircraftman Lizard or something with a straya spin.

I get CAPT America works really well for a US twat because of the whole Generation Kill thing,  but it doesn't seem to have the same effect when applied to Australian's (not calling Elrick a twat here just assuming that was what Apocalypse was trying to convey).
it's the little things.  :)) :-*
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Thu, 09 February 2017, 07:49:21
Normal Muslims DO speak out against radical Muslims. All the time.

How many Muslims have shot up schools in the last five years? (spoiler alert; it's zero).

How many first generation immigrants from the countries affected by this executive order have actually committed acts of terrorism on US soil? Are swastikas on the underground and attacks on places of worship to entice people to "assimilate into Western norms" by preventing them from practising their religion, which is a Western norm protected by your Western constitution.

There are bigger issues in America and the world than asylum seekers. Should probably not get rid of background checks for firearms seeing as the amount of people killed by firearms in the US is five figures every year.

Yes, we should stand up to terrorism. A lot of Muslims stand up to terrorism. Yes we should stand up to hate speech. A lot of conservatives stand up to hate speech. But there are those on both sides who do not. This distinction is important, but we should not punish all Muslims (see; travel ban) or all conservatives (see; deplorables) for the crimes of the few.

Liberals are not standing up for terrorists, at all. The left isn't advocating an open door policy, they just want people who are entitled to enter the United States to enter the United States. Children fleeing war should be allowed to enter a safe country without the risk of being sent back to a warzone.

I read the liberal press all the time. If a racist says a mean word to a Muslim, the news would report it. If a Muslim did anything marginally tolerant and positive, the liberal press would crow over it. The NYT has been praising Syrian immigrants for two years now, devoting more front page praise to Syrians, than showing any care or concern towards the economic problems of depressed zones in the US (now Trump voterland).

Most liberals simply don’t understand facts any more than the most rabid conservative ideologues do. Syria is/ was a polygot nation. It has been like that since the Roman empire. You have some highly educated cosmopolitans, and a lot of tribal, ultraconservative people who don’t accept that the earth rotates around the sun. It is very easy to find examples of Syrian researchers and PhD holders. But there are also a whole lot of Syrians who hate the West, or who won’t shake hands with women, or who won’t drink from Red Cross-given bottles because of the cruciform symbol. Only extreme vetting can sieve out the religious crazies from the smart globalists.

Trump should have appeased the liberals by offering 10000 Syrian visas to the most highly educated and reasonable sounding people. Then he should have just paid for neighbouring countries to house the religious millions in refugee camps. Trump is a businessman and he needs to use business skills in DC to trade political favors.

Looks like you have not heard of the Beslan or Pesharwar massacres. Not attacks by deranged individual shooters. A bunch of Muslims got organized and and systematically massacred large numbers of school children. Looks like it is much easier for deranged individual Muslims to find other deranged individual Muslims, than it is for deranged other people to join forces. I don’t think these deranged individuals got together in churches, temples, synagogues, nightclubs or intellectual salons. They probably met at their local mosque.

How many first generation immigrants (or migrants) became terrorists? I don’t know, there’s Syed Rizwan Farook, Tashfeen Malik, Nidal Hasan, the Tsarnaev brothers, Omar Mateen, Jamal Zougam and 5 other people who escaped, Hasib Hussain, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, 9 people involved in the Paris attacks some of whom were second generation, 5 people in the Brussels Airport attack some of whom were first generation, Amedy Coulibaly, the Kouachi brothers, Mohammed Merah... and I’m only naming those who are responsible for many deaths each, and within the past few years.

No one who is not a citizen is entitled to enter the United States. That’s the basic of international law. Everything else comes from visas, green cards, treaties between countries – all of which can and should be renegotiated when conditions change. Trump’s problem is that he is too arrogant and poorly advised. He should have gotten legal advisors to draft his order in a manner compliant with law.

I don’t think age matters anymore. Young children can be easily indoctrinated. With modern technology, 12 year olds can do a lot more damage now than they could in the Bronze age. Nigeria has been seeing a wave of attacks from 8 year olds. They’re arresting lots of kids in Australia now because they got brainwashed by other Muslims into preparing terrorist acts. No society has a responsibility to take the children of a failed society. Would George Soros have welcomed and sheltered 1000 Hitlerjugend members?

The only way to take in refugee kids, is if someone vouches for them and assumes full legal liability. Madonna is worth over $600m. If she assumed liability for 5 Afghan kids and they all turned into radicals, Madonna could pay up $500m to the victims and still be a very rich woman. Likewise Zuckerberg can take responsibility for 7000 refugees and house them on his 700 hectare estate. He has the resources to pay for damage caused by fake refugees. At most only 1% will be blowing people up, and Zuckerberg’s billions can pay for damage done by 70 people.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 09 February 2017, 08:06:43

How many first generation immigrants (or migrants) became terrorists? I don’t know


http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/31/most-terrorists-in-the-u-s-since-911-have-been-american-citizens-or-legal-residents-infographic/#4f7fe0e0482c (http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/31/most-terrorists-in-the-u-s-since-911-have-been-american-citizens-or-legal-residents-infographic/#4f7fe0e0482c)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 09 February 2017, 08:31:35
How many first generation immigrants from the countries affected by this executive order have actually committed acts of terrorism on US soil?

How many first generation immigrants (or migrants) became terrorists? I don’t know, there’s
Syed Rizwan Farook - Parents from Pakistan
Tashfeen Malik - Born in Pakistan, kicked around in Saudi early on
Nidal Hasan - Parents from Palestine
the Tsarnaev brothers, Omar Mateen Afghan Parents
Jamal Zougam  Morocco?
and 5 other people who escaped
Hasib Hussain Pakistan parents ?
Mohammad Sidique Khan Pakistan Parents?
Shehzad Tanweer Pakistan Parents?

9 people involved in the Paris attacks some of whom were second generation, 5 people in the Brussels Airport attack some of whom were first generation,
Amedy Coulibaly Republic of Mali Parents ?
the Kouachi brothers Algerian Parents
Mohammed Merah Algerian

So does the ban mainly apply to the following countries...  Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen ? Sorry I have not been really reading much about this. Maybe there is a wider reach or something? If so I don't think any of the people you listed by name meet Katushkin's criteria. Also some of these were not on US soil, yet again not part of the criteria. I mean I do see where you are coming from (and as a side note, there is probably quite a bit you and I would agree on), but it just seems you were building what appeared to be a well constructed argument which kinda misses the point.

I assumed Katushkin was arguing against the travel ban and its effectiveness, not that terrorism is a serious problem that is predominantly utilized by radicalized Muslims. I don't know I see two different issues, but maybe I am missing a big piece of the puzzle with regards to the Trump ban thing, in that it actually does block these states?

Seriously school the **** out of me if I have misread the Trump thump or misunderstood one of you guys, Katushkin and dantan.

 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 09 February 2017, 08:50:22

So does the ban mainly apply to the following countries .... 
 

The ban does not apply to any country where Trump owns hotels and/or is negotiating business deals.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Thu, 09 February 2017, 09:49:15

How many first generation immigrants (or migrants) became terrorists? I don’t know


http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/31/most-terrorists-in-the-u-s-since-911-have-been-american-citizens-or-legal-residents-infographic/#4f7fe0e0482c (http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/31/most-terrorists-in-the-u-s-since-911-have-been-american-citizens-or-legal-residents-infographic/#4f7fe0e0482c)

I thought you were a native speaker of English?

An immigrant is anybody who migrates to another country for permanent settlement. Immigrants can be citizens or legal residents or illegal residents. It essentially means in-migrant. Obama's father was not an immigrant because he went back to Kenya and didn't show any interest in staying permanently in the USA. Nearly all of the Japanese interned in 1941 were not immigrants because they had not made the choice to migrate - they were born in the USA.

Nearly all Muslim terrorists are immigrants or foreigners because very few were actually born in the West. The few that were born in the West, tend to be converts.

With diehard liberals in charge, immigrants would be handed citizenships on arrival anyway, so your definition is basically dishonest. Handing citizenships out unconditionally doesn't change 'immigrant' to 'native'. These guys are still aliens in every way except for legal fictions concocted by diehard liberals.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 February 2017, 19:07:54
Trump should have appeased the liberals by offering 10000 Syrian visas to the most highly educated and reasonable sounding people. Then he should have just paid for neighbouring countries to house the religious millions in refugee camps. Trump is a businessman and he needs to use business skills in DC to trade political favors.

Not there yet, remember he is still acclimatizing to the President's role here.  Eventually to push though his agenda, deals shall be done but don't forget forthcoming elections for the Libs in which they will lose even more seats if they hamper the President in any way, remember the majority chose their President so even the Republicans are nervous about stepping on him just yet.

Looks like you have not heard of the Beslan or Pesharwar massacres. Not attacks by deranged individual shooters. A bunch of Muslims got organized and and systematically massacred large numbers of school children. Looks like it is much easier for deranged individual Muslims to find other deranged individual Muslims, than it is for deranged other people to join forces. I don’t think these deranged individuals got together in churches, temples, synagogues, nightclubs or intellectual salons. They probably met at their local mosque.

How many first generation immigrants (or migrants) became terrorists? I don’t know, there’s Syed Rizwan Farook, Tashfeen Malik, Nidal Hasan, the Tsarnaev brothers, Omar Mateen, Jamal Zougam and 5 other people who escaped, Hasib Hussain, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, 9 people involved in the Paris attacks some of whom were second generation, 5 people in the Brussels Airport attack some of whom were first generation, Amedy Coulibaly, the Kouachi brothers, Mohammed Merah... and I’m only naming those who are responsible for many deaths each, and within the past few years.

Many countries surrounding certain nations whether it's inside Israel, Yemen (disaster still ongoing), Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Syria (West's failure to initiate Regime Change) and the ongoing threats on European soil literally rests everything upon the involvement of the West within all those conflicts being supported via money and or weapons through 3rd parties.  The West suddenly thinks it absolves them from blood and corpses but when you are complicit with supplying money and weapons/instructors (training) to conduct murders, then you are as guilty as the perpetrators.  In the end you reap what you sow, simple as that.

Trump shocked all the Liberal Neocons when he stated the bleeding obvious here when interviewed by Bill O'Reilly about applying the "Killer" description on the United States and watched them choke on that factual statement.  They couldn't handle the fact that dropping bombs, supplying weapons and toppling elected foreign Governments,  lead to mass killings all around the globe.  First time ever an Honest Leader described the bleeding obvious here and the mass-media went into toxic shock.  All the Democratic garbage couldn't believe that for the first time in history a US President spoke the TRUTH and that is what makes him a dangerous man to the corrupt establishment, who for years thought it was their job to murder people around the globe for selfish reasons like promoting their own demented version of democracy.

No one who is not a citizen is entitled to enter the United States. That’s the basic of international law. Everything else comes from visas, green cards, treaties between countries – all of which can and should be renegotiated when conditions change. Trump’s problem is that he is too arrogant and poorly advised. He should have gotten legal advisors to draft his order in a manner compliant with law.

Trump only got into power a couple of weeks ago hence his timing is way off BUT he was elected upon his promises which the people of the United States believed in him, so he is in a rush to implement his promises but if the GOP tries to slow it down don't forget senate seats are up for election soon so if they are showing resentment to his agenda it will reflect in the polls and then watch those who opposed him vanish from Washington altogether.  The People are no longer interested in excuses and lies like it was delivered previously they want ACTION, so that is a good thing when the old paradigms are torn down.  In the end Trump wants the Government to benefit the average American citizen directly, instead of wasting time and money on fake causes overseas, wasted on funding wars and terrorism.

Instead of the democratic losers crying about their loss they should instead get behind Trump to make their country better but I suspect like most ignorant babies they are happy to cry all the time about losing.  Some losers are born that way because they never achieve anything within their own lives and are far happy to see everything burn down for their own perverted gratification.  Fortunately not all Americans are like them because most see a constructive future with a lot of promise whilst the losers are happy to slosh around in their own stale muck.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 February 2017, 19:20:14
So Bush Sr selling massive arms to Arab states is ok... but A Al Nusra General claims "Yes, the US supports the opposition [in Syria], but not directly. They support the countries that support us. But we are not yet satisfied with this support" is bad because Obama...

All of this has happened before under both political establishments here, so I don't know why you think because both have done it that it must be okay for some reason?

Maybe that is why your recent election delivered someone who isn't tainted by party ideology because those old demented doctrines need to be forgotten in the 21st century, if you want any progress towards peace.

Hanging onto the old fantasies of the past is good for moronic cretins who enjoy repeating it constantly but we need to look towards the future here and build upon a far better outcome, then continue along the same doomed path like past leaders.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 09 February 2017, 20:07:46
Is it possible for someone to translate this alternative-fact-alternative-universe-speak into coherent sentences in the English language?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Fri, 10 February 2017, 02:20:58
Is it possible for someone to translate this alternative-fact-alternative-universe-speak into coherent sentences in the English language?

Not to be a républicain at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

if you’re not a leftist or socialist before you’re 25, you have no heart; if you are one after 25 you have no head!

if you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

All quotes from famous people. If you can't understand these quotes, you're indeed an elderly liberal.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 10 February 2017, 02:28:23
Is it possible for someone to translate this alternative-fact-alternative-universe-speak into coherent sentences in the English language?

Not to be a républicain at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

if you’re not a leftist or socialist before you’re 25, you have no heart; if you are one after 25 you have no head!

if you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

All quotes from famous people. If you can't understand these quotes, you're indeed an elderly liberal.

What famous people were these quotes from?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Fri, 10 February 2017, 02:28:51
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38896547

The biggest aid givers to Syrian refugees are Western liberal-controlled countries.

Saudi Arabia gives less than Estonia in absolute amounts, not just as a proportion of GNP. Estonia is not even a rich country. It's got no natural resources except for amber and permafrost.

The other oil rich Muslims are nowhere to be seen. Qatar, UAE, Kuwait basically spend their oil riches funding the Taliban (which they used to recognize as the government of Afghanistan).

I conclude that liberals love Muslims more than other Arab Sunni Muslims love their fellow Arab Sunni Muslims.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Fri, 10 February 2017, 02:31:24
Is it possible for someone to translate this alternative-fact-alternative-universe-speak into coherent sentences in the English language?

Not to be a républicain at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

if you’re not a leftist or socialist before you’re 25, you have no heart; if you are one after 25 you have no head!

if you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

All quotes from famous people. If you can't understand these quotes, you're indeed an elderly liberal.

What famous people were these quotes from?

I grabbed it off a google page. One is Victor Hugo. For the rest just cut and paste into google search.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 10 February 2017, 03:11:50
Is it possible for someone to translate this alternative-fact-alternative-universe-speak into coherent sentences in the English language?

Sorry sunshine, wasting time here in between changing gearboxes and replacing time schedules (between two workshops), precludes hours of truly understanding your fvcked up system in any logical manner.

If I got enormous amount of time to sit down and waste away like your good self, I could examine the pathetic garbage known as Necon Propaganda pushed daily by your so-called, none-news services.  So many lies distributed yet nothing noteworthy or truthful to believe in.

Maybe you can understand the traditional mass-media gossip that got so many things wrong before the election and after, yet it never stops.  Best thing as always, earn the big bucks and enjoy life because YOUR current system is so corrupt only the delusional actually believes you can change it for the better.

Wish Trump all the best because you lot need all the help necessary in draining out that horrid swampland (only quote worth remembering about the US system)  ;D .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 10 February 2017, 04:14:08
Is it possible for someone to translate this alternative-fact-alternative-universe-speak into coherent sentences in the English language?

Sorry sunshine, wasting time here in between changing gearboxes and replacing time schedules (between two workshops), precludes hours of truly understanding your fvcked up system in any logical manner.

If I got enormous amount of time to sit down and waste away like your good self, I could examine the pathetic garbage known as Necon Propaganda pushed daily by your so-called, none-news services.  So many lies distributed yet nothing noteworthy or truthful to believe in.

Maybe you can understand the traditional mass-media gossip that got so many things wrong before the election and after, yet it never stops.  Best thing as always, earn the big bucks and enjoy life because YOUR current system is so corrupt only the delusional actually believes you can change it for the better.

Wish Trump all the best because you lot need all the help necessary in draining out that horrid swampland (only quote worth remembering about the US system)  ;D .

I'd lick your gearbox you old **** (I can say that, its not a personal attack if your from Australia so back off mods).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 10 February 2017, 05:02:37
So Bush Sr selling massive arms to Arab states is ok... but A Al Nusra General claims "Yes, the US supports the opposition [in Syria], but not directly. They support the countries that support us. But we are not yet satisfied with this support" is bad because Obama...

Maybe that is why your recent election delivered someone who isn't tainted by party ideology because those old demented doctrines need to be forgotten in the 21st century, if you want any progress towards peace.

Yeah no party ideology needed. I'm not a fan of it myself... I do like that Trump talks as if he is against the standard party/status quo, but his actions are not convincing. Ranting and mud slinging on twitter is not how you get **** done.

I really hope he is the guy that breaks the mold and gets **** going in the right direction... but I've seen nothing but a megalomaniac thus far. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 10 February 2017, 07:05:50

What famous people were these quotes from?


Variations of these have been kicking around for a long time. Probably the most recent and famous was Churchill.

As usual, I run against the trend - I was born and raised "conservative" and have become steadily more progressive after I awakened to an adult intelligence and as I continue to learn and grow.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 10 February 2017, 11:53:17
So Bush Sr selling massive arms to Arab states is ok... but A Al Nusra General claims "Yes, the US supports the opposition [in Syria], but not directly. They support the countries that support us. But we are not yet satisfied with this support" is bad because Obama...

Maybe that is why your recent election delivered someone who isn't tainted by party ideology because those old demented doctrines need to be forgotten in the 21st century, if you want any progress towards peace.

Yeah no party ideology needed. I'm not a fan of it myself... I do like that Trump talks as if he is against the standard party/status quo, but his actions are not convincing. Ranting and mud slinging on twitter is not how you get **** done.

I really hope he is the guy that breaks the mold and gets **** going in the right direction... but I've seen nothing but a megalomaniac thus far. Fingers crossed.
The good and bad thing about Trump on twitter is that everything comes straight from the horse's mouth and the media can't twist those statements. I am excited for the future, especially the part where he grows a bit thicker skin.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 10 February 2017, 12:09:00
So Bush Sr selling massive arms to Arab states is ok... but A Al Nusra General claims "Yes, the US supports the opposition [in Syria], but not directly. They support the countries that support us. But we are not yet satisfied with this support" is bad because Obama...

Maybe that is why your recent election delivered someone who isn't tainted by party ideology because those old demented doctrines need to be forgotten in the 21st century, if you want any progress towards peace.

Yeah no party ideology needed. I'm not a fan of it myself... I do like that Trump talks as if he is against the standard party/status quo, but his actions are not convincing. Ranting and mud slinging on twitter is not how you get **** done.

I really hope he is the guy that breaks the mold and gets **** going in the right direction... but I've seen nothing but a megalomaniac thus far. Fingers crossed.
The good and bad thing about Trump on twitter is that everything comes straight from the horse's mouth and the media can't twist those statements. I am excited for the future, especially the part where he grows a bit thicker skin.

As President of the US, he has a certain responsibility to the welfare of the country to temper his remarks on a media that is so volatile, and geared towards instant results and gratification.  There are other venues that he could utilize for this that would not rely on the media, and would allow him to be more tempered (i.e. whitehouse.gov?).  The possible ramifications have already been shown with this Ivanka/NM thing, i.e. the stock went down when he first tweeted, then back up later.  That's dangerous, for all of us.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 10 February 2017, 14:27:46
So Bush Sr selling massive arms to Arab states is ok... but A Al Nusra General claims "Yes, the US supports the opposition [in Syria], but not directly. They support the countries that support us. But we are not yet satisfied with this support" is bad because Obama...

Maybe that is why your recent election delivered someone who isn't tainted by party ideology because those old demented doctrines need to be forgotten in the 21st century, if you want any progress towards peace.

Yeah no party ideology needed. I'm not a fan of it myself... I do like that Trump talks as if he is against the standard party/status quo, but his actions are not convincing. Ranting and mud slinging on twitter is not how you get **** done.

I really hope he is the guy that breaks the mold and gets **** going in the right direction... but I've seen nothing but a megalomaniac thus far. Fingers crossed.
The good and bad thing about Trump on twitter is that everything comes straight from the horse's mouth and the media can't twist those statements. I am excited for the future, especially the part where he grows a bit thicker skin.

As President of the US, he has a certain responsibility to the welfare of the country to temper his remarks on a media that is so volatile, and geared towards instant results and gratification.  There are other venues that he could utilize for this that would not rely on the media, and would allow him to be more tempered (i.e. whitehouse.gov?).  The possible ramifications have already been shown with this Ivanka/NM thing, i.e. the stock went down when he first tweeted, then back up later.  That's dangerous, for all of us.
I agree with you and he is using Whitehouse.gov for his weekly addresses.  Trump knows his twitter is so powerful because of its immediate acknowledgement by millions of people who use the platform on a daily or hourly basis.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:32:54
With great power, comes great responsibility.  Who will be the next entity to have their stock prices affected by a random tweet?  And what if other countries act as rashly in their policies towards his statements on twitter.  Diplomacy in 140 characters doesn't really make me feel very good...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Fri, 10 February 2017, 19:21:00
man... this whole system is so rotten to it's core...it should be demolished and built anew...

There are actually very few people in this country that deserve liberty and freedom at this point I say...  People are selfish, vain , idiotic simpletons that are easily roped into a system that is rigged against them from the start.

Some how they are convinced that either one of the Two parties in this country actually gives a flying **** about them and their welfare.


As far as the ban goes??   why??? why these countries and not some obvious other countries.. maybe it was on purpose to distract people while his supreme court guy gets in and DeVos get in??  maybe it is just a trap.... sooner or later some Islamic extremist nutjob is going to steal a truck and drive into a crowd.. and boom Trump can Willie Horton the left and moderate right all day??

The immigration thing drives me nutz ... how the left have managed to manipulate the conversation .. into simplistic non sense like "no person is illegal"... **** you nobody says they are.. but not every single person on earth has a right to come to the United States and ignore our immigration laws / requirements.      The left has done a great job of making any doubts on their agenda a sign of racism or prejudiced ...   And the right has done a great job of giving Corporations the keys to the kingdom and claiming the free market "works" .. meh... I'm so sick of these clowns..

I don't know... I feel like the decline and morals and consideration for our fellow man has given us all what we deserve collectively at this point.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 10 February 2017, 20:06:50

this whole system is so rotten to it's core .... it should be demolished and built anew ....


It disturbs me deeply to hear that you are a Steve Bannon supporter.



"“I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Fri, 10 February 2017, 20:12:30

this whole system is so rotten to it's core .... it should be demolished and built anew ....


It disturbs me deeply to hear that you are a Steve Bannon supporter.


"“I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”




well with all due respect .. anyone with 1/4th working brain can see the current system is fouled pretty badly up and starting over isn't the worst option...

any Bannon sounding is purely coincidental
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 10 February 2017, 20:47:35

this whole system is so rotten to it's core .... it should be demolished and built anew ....


It disturbs me deeply to hear that you are a Steve Bannon supporter.


"“I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”




well with all due respect .. anyone with 1/4th working brain can see the current system is fouled pretty badly up and starting over isn't the worst option...

any Bannon sounding is purely coincidental

Sure, would love me some post World War I Soviet Union!  Why not?  Bring it on!

Starting over would be nice.  Starting over with Bannon in charge with his vision?  No thanks.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Fri, 10 February 2017, 21:23:21
why do Trump's people keep making up fake terror attacks??   I mean there isn't a shortage of actual attacks they could point towards to make their case

Charlie Hebdo , Nov 2015 Paris attacks, Truck attacks in Nice and elsewhere..

San Bernardino ... ...etc etc...  No idea why they keep making up bulls*** one's that didn't happen...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 February 2017, 21:33:47

this whole system is so rotten to it's core .... it should be demolished and built anew ....


It disturbs me deeply to hear that you are a Steve Bannon supporter.


"“I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”




well with all due respect .. anyone with 1/4th working brain can see the current system is fouled pretty badly up and starting over isn't the worst option...

any Bannon sounding is purely coincidental



You're taking the god approach..  but because we are humans and not gods.. we don't actually have the ability to start over..

But IMHO, it's not the system at fault.. the bottleneck isn't the fact that we have bad policies..  the bottleneck is people Selfishly not following the rules..


There's no ideal way to counter this besides removing humans from decision making processes,  TO WHICH our current technology is not yet capable of..

But Big data is coming... so.. /fingers crossed..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 February 2017, 21:35:39
why do Trump's people keep making up fake terror attacks??   I mean there isn't a shortage of actual attacks they could point towards to make their case

Charlie Hebdo , Nov 2015 Paris attacks, Truck attacks in Nice and elsewhere..

San Bernardino ... ...etc etc...  No idea why they keep making up bulls*** one's that didn't happen...


Hahahaha... Why does anyone lie,  to make something happen, that otherwise would not happen..

It's pretty straight forward..   They pay good money if you have this ability..


The person who LIED to you the most,  is the person who told you to be Virtuous as a way to succeed in life..


While in Every realistic conflict,   all choices between fact and fiction is GRAY , because humans and human systems do not have perfect awareness of prior or present information..







Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: atarione on Fri, 10 February 2017, 21:52:03
why do Trump's people keep making up fake terror attacks??   I mean there isn't a shortage of actual attacks they could point towards to make their case

Charlie Hebdo , Nov 2015 Paris attacks, Truck attacks in Nice and elsewhere..

San Bernardino ... ...etc etc...  No idea why they keep making up bulls*** one's that didn't happen...


Hahahaha... Why does anyone lie,  to make something happen, that otherwise would not happen..

It's pretty straight forward..   They pay good money if you have this ability..


The person who LIED to you the most,  is the person who told you to be Virtuous as a way to succeed in life..


While in Every realistic conflict,   all choices between fact and fiction is GRAY , because humans and human systems do not have perfect awareness of prior or present information..



I mean.... the lies are actually hurting their case... if they just stuck to the facts... that people have come from the area's they are concern about ..in some cases as refugees and then carried out attacks their position would be much better.. than if they keep going on about some made up nonsense in Bowling Green or ATL ... just doesn't make any god damned sense....

GRRRRR....

and humans can "reset" the existing order...it just has an unfortunate tendency to result in a lot of head chopping off and all.... 

I'm just frustrated because there are serious issues that require serious discussion and work and our people and our leaders can't do anything other than play the worlds most dangerous game of "I know you are but what am I" ..it seems..

if I'm honest I mostly would like to move to some remote village in Japan and make Washi paper and be left alone for the most part at this point... the world can go **** itself
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 February 2017, 22:07:37




I mean.... the lies are actually hurting their case... if they just stuck to the facts... that people have come from the area's they are concern about ..in some cases as refugees and then carried out attacks their position would be much better.. than if they keep going on about some made up nonsense in Bowling Green or ATL ... just doesn't make any god damned sense....

GRRRRR....

and humans can "reset" the existing order...it just has an unfortunate tendency to result in a lot of head chopping off and all.... 

I'm just frustrated because there are serious issues that require serious discussion and work and our people and our leaders can't do anything other than play the worlds most dangerous game of "I know you are but what am I" ..it seems..

if I'm honest I mostly would like to move to some remote village in Japan and make Washi paper and be left alone for the most part at this point... the world can go **** itself



Only a small percentage of people care enough to check facts, 

An even smaller percentage of those people are good enough at checking facts to arrive at the Truth,

An Infinitesimal percentage of people Knowing the Truth can DO Anything about it..


So,  given those assumptions,  if you need a quick return on investment.. Your best option is TO LIE..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 11 February 2017, 06:50:25
why do Trump's people keep making up fake terror attacks??   I mean there isn't a shortage of actual attacks they could point towards to make their case

Charlie Hebdo , Nov 2015 Paris attacks, Truck attacks in Nice and elsewhere..

San Bernardino ... ...etc etc...  No idea why they keep making up bulls*** one's that didn't happen...


Hahahaha... Why does anyone lie,  to make something happen, that otherwise would not happen..

It's pretty straight forward..   They pay good money if you have this ability..


The person who LIED to you the most,  is the person who told you to be Virtuous as a way to succeed in life..


While in Every realistic conflict,   all choices between fact and fiction is GRAY , because humans and human systems do not have perfect awareness of prior or present information..



I mean.... the lies are actually hurting their case... if they just stuck to the facts... that people have come from the area's they are concern about ..in some cases as refugees and then carried out attacks their position would be much better.. than if they keep going on about some made up nonsense in Bowling Green or ATL ... just doesn't make any god damned sense....

GRRRRR....

and humans can "reset" the existing order...it just has an unfortunate tendency to result in a lot of head chopping off and all.... 

I'm just frustrated because there are serious issues that require serious discussion and work and our people and our leaders can't do anything other than play the worlds most dangerous game of "I know you are but what am I" ..it seems..

if I'm honest I mostly would like to move to some remote village in Japan and make Washi paper and be left alone for the most part at this point... the world can go **** itself

It's a tool to create their own reality that they can then use for their own means.  Straight from the autocrat's playbook.  And these are petty people in charge, not long-term problem solvers.

A small village in Mexico is closer, just make sure it isn't overrun by the drug cartels.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dantan on Sun, 12 February 2017, 06:46:36
why do Trump's people keep making up fake terror attacks??   I mean there isn't a shortage of actual attacks they could point towards to make their case

Charlie Hebdo , Nov 2015 Paris attacks, Truck attacks in Nice and elsewhere..

San Bernardino ... ...etc etc...  No idea why they keep making up bulls*** one's that didn't happen...


Hahahaha... Why does anyone lie,  to make something happen, that otherwise would not happen..


I mean.... the lies are actually hurting their case... if they just stuck to the facts... that people have come from the area's they are concern about ..in some cases as refugees and then carried out attacks their position would be much better.. than if they keep going on about some made up nonsense in Bowling Green or ATL ... just doesn't make any god damned sense....


My contribution for the weekend

The mainstream media has really discredited itself over time. This has led to alternative media rising. I don’t like the alt media either because of fake news. But with real news so badly distorted and skewed by the manipulations of the mainstream media, fake is not that bad anymore.

Many crab cakes and crab sticks are fake. But they’re made of cheaper fish, and are still fully edible and provide nutrition.

Compare that to real crab meat from mutated and bloated crabs that grew up outside Fukushima. Which is better, fake crab meat or real crab meat?

The poisonous distortions of the real media works like radiation. By mutating real news, it causes real news to become less credible.

The West is so deluded that now I see a BBC article recommending that Muslims with mental health problems get more religious counseling instead.

A religion that by itself is a mental health issue, and you want to worsen the mentally ill’s conditions by referring them to religion? So shall I refer every mentally ill redneck to Hitler’s Mein Kampf?

Let’s say I believe in my prophet, Al-dof. I believe Al-dof is the prophet of an invisible and almighty God named Natas. Natas, through Al-dof, says that anyone who believes differently should be beheaded. No one is allowed to believe in multiple Gods or worship an idol. Infidel women can be raped and sexually enslaved as spoils of war. Believing women must always wear full length veils and must never drive or take a plane without a male guardian’s written permission.

So many people believe in this great Natas, that they often behead other people while screaming Natas is Great, Heil Al-dof! But now belief in this religion has so messed up many countries, that 60 million of their believers are seeking refuge in other countries. 99.999% of these believers refuse to conform to the values of the countries they are seeking refuge in. Even when they are attending a citizenship interview in Switzerland, they refuse to shake the woman officer's hand because they say it offends Al-dof. When they are denied citizenship, liberals rush to file a case before the European Court of Jesters because someone's religious rights are being denied.

Would liberals still tolerate and welcome my religion? What if I said that Dylann Roof was a member of this faith? Would you condemn all criticism of this faith as xy-phobia?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Thu, 26 October 2017, 04:53:22
So it's been almost a year now, how does everyone think it's going?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 26 October 2017, 05:01:13
As an outsider , it's been hilarious so far
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Thu, 26 October 2017, 05:43:19
LOL
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 26 October 2017, 05:43:20
Why hasn't he yet screwed up so royally that the only possible outcome would be impeachment?
I know he has neglected a lot of issues because of incompetence, but people seldom react to such things.

I had expected that he would have been under massive fire about now.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 26 October 2017, 06:13:43
Why hasn't he yet screwed up so royally that the only possible outcome would be impeachment?
I know he has neglected a lot of issues because of incompetence, but people seldom react to such things.

I had expected that he would have been under massive fire about now.
Fake news FTW :thumb:

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 26 October 2017, 06:42:12
So it's been almost a year now, how does everyone think it's going?

The dam is about to break. The cracks are widening.

I think that they are just keeping him around in expectation of getting his signature on whatever anti-consumer legislation they can pass in the near term. Once his usefulness has waned, he will be quickly discarded. They know that he would be toxic in the next election cycle.

My guess is that using the 25th Amendment will be selected as less inflaming to his supporters than impeachment.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 26 October 2017, 07:21:45
Oh look it's this thread again.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Thu, 26 October 2017, 12:13:30
So it's been almost a year now, how does everyone think it's going?

My gut tells me the United States was bought and paid for a long, long time ago.

The purpose of the stooges in office are to keep the bulls eye off the real owners of the land.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Thu, 26 October 2017, 13:00:32
IIRC I've never seen or read of any news coverage about someone throwing miniature flags at a President. So, that's a thing now.

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-41739249/trump-is-treason-protester-throws-russian-flags-at-president (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-41739249/trump-is-treason-protester-throws-russian-flags-at-president)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 26 October 2017, 21:03:01
I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 26 October 2017, 21:24:35
I think's he's doing a good job..

Trump is great for America..

It's getting greater and greater..

Lots of things getting done..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 27 October 2017, 06:03:39
I think's he's doing a good job..

Trump is great for America..

It's getting greater and greater..

Lots of things getting done..

(https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Fri, 27 October 2017, 08:57:19
I think's he's doing a good job..

Trump is great for America..

It's getting greater and greater..

Lots of things getting done..

+1

Trump is the best president since Abraham Lincoln (Republican).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 October 2017, 09:46:33
I think's he's doing a good job..

Trump is great for America..

It's getting greater and greater..

Lots of things getting done..

+1

Trump is the best president since Abraham Lincoln (Republican).

Keep this thread alive..

4 m0ar years. !!!!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 27 October 2017, 11:55:53
dang
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:00:55
I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet.

this would actually be good for the country ultimately, I think it would strike fear in the gilded billionaires and corrupt corporations who are getting far too brazen and blatant in their illegal activities
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:03:44
I think it's the most entertaining politics has been for me and I'm from the US.

I think if Trump were truly heinous he would've been outed already, almost everyone left of right hates the dude's guts. Not impeachment-wise, more than just name-calling. Something substantial.

The media has been flexing on him hard, same with the entire West Coast it seems(companies and people alike). It's truly interesting to sit back and see the influence of the media and the entertainment industry and witness ferocity at which those giants can spread an idea. But we also see how it's a double-edged sword where if you jack it up, you stand to lose credibility like many organizations. It also shows you what those in power think of people and how easily they think we might be influenced. I mean, c'mon comedians telling me what to think? Who do they think they are? George Carlin? lol.

I think it's also incredibly interesting to see the typical political complex suspension that's usually whirling around, ever mixing; finally stop and settle so we can see the different layers of sediment and where they stand.

Everyone has their own reasons for choosing their side; no harm, no foul. I'm registered as No Party. I just haven't seen anything from the Left that I agree with lately, aside from decriminalization. However, Trump said that his stance was to leave it to the States, which I am okay with also.

...That's if all this is legit. Like there are no old world powers that be, and supposing we (The average Joe)aren't pissing away our hopes for better lives.

Both sides have their conspiracies, I'm sure he has crazy dirt on people tbh, if there are actually two sides. That dude is waaaaay higher up on the food chain than Hillary. (Forbes says Trump has 3b, Hillary has 45m publically).

 I do like his stance on human-trafficking. 1,500+ arrests.

I generally try to stay away from this stuff mostly, its extremely toxic usually.




Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:05:53
I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet.

this would actually be good for the country ultimately, I think it would strike fear in the gilded billionaires and corrupt corporations who are getting far too brazen and blatant in their illegal activities

I doubt it, we'd have to raze everything for it to make a difference to them. They're a hydra. All greed, if one of them dies that means someone can move in on his turf.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:08:59
I think it's the most entertaining politics has been for me and I'm from the US.
Politics Is Not Supposed To Be Entertaining !

The purpose of the stooges in office are to keep the bulls eye off the real owners of the land.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: digi on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:18:58
I think it's the most entertaining politics has been for me and I'm from the US.

I think if Trump were truly heinous he would've been outed already, almost everyone left of right hates the dude's guts. Not impeachment-wise, more than just name-calling. Something substantial.

The media has been flexing on him hard, same with the entire West Coast it seems(companies and people alike). It's truly interesting to sit back and see the influence of the media and the entertainment industry and witness ferocity at which those giants can spread an idea. But we also see how it's a double-edged sword where if you jack it up, you stand to lose credibility like many organizations. It also shows you what those in power think of people and how easily they think we might be influenced. I mean, c'mon comedians telling me what to think? Who do they think they are? George Carlin? lol.

I think it's also incredibly interesting to see the typical political complex suspension that's usually whirling around, ever mixing; finally stop and settle so we can see the different layers of sediment and where they stand.

Everyone has their own reasons for choosing their side; no harm, no foul. I'm registered as No Party. I just haven't seen anything from the Left that I agree with lately, aside from decriminalization. However, Trump said that his stance was to leave it to the States, which I am okay with also.

...That's if all this is legit. Like there are no old world powers that be, and supposing we (The average Joe)aren't pissing away our hopes for better lives.

Both sides have their conspiracies, I'm sure he has crazy dirt on people tbh, if there are actually two sides. That dude is waaaaay higher up on the food chain than Hillary. (Forbes says Trump has 3b, Hillary has 45m publically).

 I do like his stance on human-trafficking. 1,500+ arrests.

I generally try to stay away from this stuff mostly, its extremely toxic usually.






That's the point a lot of people are missing on Trump and why you either love him or hate him. He's exposing a system that's been in place and ruffling feathers that need to be ruffled to progress as a society (especially in the white house). Lots of Americans have a cover over their eyes with media outlets until this last year. The problem is a lot of Americans can't handle that...they want to "feel good"..

The left wants to focus on racism and keep it relevant because without it, they have less (if any) of an agenda. You're talking to someone who grew up in arguably the most liberal area of the United States and I've heard it all but nothing that ever moves society in a progressive direction.

I agree with what you said, very well put.

Trump is horrible with words, but actions are louder than words.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:23:35
But he's exposing a corrupt system by being openly corrupt himself. That's like showing a building's not up to fire code by setting it on fire.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:23:52
I think it's the most entertaining politics has been for me and I'm from the US.
Politics Is Not Supposed To Be Entertaining !

The purpose of the stooges in office are to keep the bulls eye off the real owners of the land.
Indeed.

What else can it be right now? They're doing a good as hell job at juggling the balls for everyone to gawk at.







Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:32:45
But he's exposing a corrupt system by being openly corrupt himself. That's like showing a building's not up to fire code by setting it on fire.

Tbh, I prefer that than the status quo if we're using your analogy.

I'm interested in your "openly corrupt" statement, do you have any recommended reading off the top of your head?

I found this https://corrupt.af/

Lots of info, however I do not trust the sources.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 October 2017, 13:21:48

do you have any recommended reading off the top of your head?


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/trumps-scandals-a-list.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/trumps-scandals-a-list.html)

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-investigation-suspects-mueller-693149 (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-investigation-suspects-mueller-693149)

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 27 October 2017, 13:52:22

do you have any recommended reading off the top of your head?


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/trumps-scandals-a-list.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/trumps-scandals-a-list.html)

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-investigation-suspects-mueller-693149 (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-investigation-suspects-mueller-693149)

Thank you

Now, those articles cite some of the places that I find disreputable, however my perception if all that is true is that a crooked man keeps crooked company. In that same breath one would still be able to say "Innocent until proven guilty.". If we are going off of limited evidence both candidates' heads should've rolled.

That's one of my biggest pet peeves though, is that underneath all of this stuff isn't a left vs right kind of argument. It's us vs them. Anyone of those people up top has probably done something illegal on their path up, but no one ever pays their tab
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 27 October 2017, 14:18:56
But he's exposing a corrupt system by being openly corrupt himself. That's like showing a building's not up to fire code by setting it on fire.

Tbh, I prefer that than the status quo if we're using your analogy.

But there are real people getting hurt currently.  And a lot of it has to do with 'burning down the house'.  Maybe we should call him Nero.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 October 2017, 14:25:44
Trump is not any MORE or LESS corrupt than any other government member..


People have to stop operating under the belief that the Government is for the people.


The government is the FARMER,  the people are the HENS..


They all have their own different agendas,  today this group gets ahead, tomorrow another.


If you're displeased with being a hen,  then Aim to be a People-Farmer,  Try to get elected, MAYBE you'd do some good.

But I highly doubt it,  once you get consorted with all the Hookers and Blow they do in washington, you'd be like any other politician..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 27 October 2017, 14:59:56
tp, that is ****ing retarded
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 October 2017, 15:02:57
tp, that is ****ing retarded


Think on the relationship you have with your own manager/ boss, every chance he gets, he exploits you and pimps you for your time.   Then look at the relationship between him and HIS boss.


This goes ALL THE WAY to the top..

And who's at the bottom,  us,  the Proletariat.



The government is the Farmer, and We are the Hens.. 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Sat, 28 October 2017, 18:16:55
hohoho, looks like the first indictment is going out Monday yet haven't revealed who it is. Both sides are saying it's the other lol
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 October 2017, 18:35:43
hohoho, looks like the first indictment is going out Monday yet haven't revealed who it is. Both sides are saying it's the other lol



My guess is,  Someone did something really bad, up to and around 2016..   Then they needed a great big Diversion to clean up whatever it is they did,  so they put in a crazy wacky president to distract that public..


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Sun, 29 October 2017, 09:38:10
There's all kinds of bad **** going on all the time. It's like musical chairs lol. Whoever is caught slippin' pays the piper.

Do you have something specific in mind?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 30 October 2017, 06:28:41
I don't know. Everyone knows that they are all corrupt, It's just a matter of who slipped first. Both dems and the GOP have fishy ties with foreign govts. As for actual, provable corruption, charges are incredible hard to stick.

So for now, I would wager someone high in the GOP will fall, as all the Uranium One shtick is still relatively new and there is years of research ahead.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: nugglets on Wed, 01 November 2017, 11:36:16
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If we are going off of limited evidence both candidates' heads should've rolled.

I honestly don't understand this argument. I don't like Hillary more than anyone else, but the fact of the matter is that she is not President of the United States right now.

Why should we be wasting time, that Trump is spending currently in office, investigating the losing candidate when there is a sitting President to investigate?

If everything comes up clean for Trump, guess what? We can still investigate Hillary and "the Dems" without having lost anything. Hillary holds no political office, any damage her supposed corruption could cause now is extremely limited. Trump, on the other hand...

The whole idea is a stall tactic; a diversion. Everyone likes to talk about "main stream media" pulling the wool over our eyes, when the President himself is trying to do it on a daily basis through baseless twitter rants.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 November 2017, 12:24:06
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If we are going off of limited evidence both candidates' heads should've rolled.

I honestly don't understand this argument. I don't like Hillary more than anyone else, but the fact of the matter is that she is not President of the United States right now.

Why should we be wasting time, that Trump is spending currently in office, investigating the losing candidate when there is a sitting President to investigate?

If everything comes up clean for Trump, guess what? We can still investigate Hillary and "the Dems" without having lost anything. Hillary holds no political office, any damage her supposed corruption could cause now is extremely limited. Trump, on the other hand...

The whole idea is a stall tactic; a diversion. Everyone likes to talk about "main stream media" pulling the wool over our eyes, when the President himself is trying to do it on a daily basis through baseless twitter rants.


This is almost certainly a carefully crafted Diversion of what REALLY went down..


It's always like this,


When equifax went down,  they had their executives sell a small amount of stock..

WHY,  to draw attention AWAY from the real problem.,  The fact that these large data structures are fundamentally flawed and impossible to thoroughly protect.



Why are they now doing this Small potatoes housing scandal ,  this stuff is maybe 10-50 million,  small potatoes compared to the type of deals and political strife these guys are used to working with..


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 01 November 2017, 12:39:08
It's essentially a great big soap opera: The Rothschilds/Soros/Hollywood/Media vs. Trump.

That said, the same long term game the ultra elites have played will continue now but just with a different approach.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 November 2017, 12:42:20
It's essentially a great big soap opera: The Rothschilds/Soros/Hollywood/Media vs. Trump.

That said, the same long term game the ultra elites have played will continue now but just with a different approach.


THERE IS ONLY the Rothchilds in the western world..


No other real opponents exist.   except the Chinese.. and the Germans (who are really bitter about ww2)


You can count the russians too,   but they're more in the corner, and bein' like..  Guys, it's too cold to be fighting.. I'mma go get drunk ,  screw you guys , I'm going home..



Then there's the saudis,  and they're like,  it's going to happen guys,  I'mma convert oil into WATER.. watch me do it..   Come on  desert, wh00t wh00t..

Again, never gonna happen..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 01 November 2017, 12:49:17
Woo, slowly working their way up the chain of corruption.

I always wanted to see Trump just assassinated by some crazy, but now I'm thinking it would be far more cathartic to see him keep denying allegations, get impeached, then refuse to step down and instead deny and fight it, then go to prison for treason. Seeing Trump in an orange jumpsuit would be so damn satisfying.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 November 2017, 12:54:04
Woo, slowly working their way up the chain of corruption.

I always wanted to see Trump just assassinated by some crazy, but now I'm thinking it would be far more cathartic to see him keep denying allegations, get impeached, then refuse to step down and instead deny and fight it, then go to prison for treason. Seeing Trump in an orange jumpsuit would be so damn satisfying.


That is not how it works. hahahaha


You know what brought Bill Clinton down ?   FEMINISM..

If this was the 50s-80s,   B Clinton'd get a High-Five and a RAISE, and Elected to a 3rd term perhaps..



But you see,  TRUMP is immune to Feminism,  That's why he's such a good president, He'll get away with ANYTHING..  And they'll let him do it.


WHY?    Because it's Tremendously Embarrassing for a country's Leader to be caught in wrong doing.


EVEN if Trump went crazy committed a capital offense,   They'll find a fall guy for it..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:03:00
Woo, slowly working their way up the chain of corruption.

I always wanted to see Trump just assassinated by some crazy, but now I'm thinking it would be far more cathartic to see him keep denying allegations, get impeached, then refuse to step down and instead deny and fight it, then go to prison for treason. Seeing Trump in an orange jumpsuit would be so damn satisfying.

What treason do you speak of?

Corruption?  Are you new to this planet?  All politicians are corrupt!

You must be a $25 per hour protester.  Say hi Soros for me.

Anywho.

"BUT.... BUT.... BUT.... RUSSIA!" (as they wipe the rabid saliva off their mouthes)

As if the United States never invaded other countries and installed their own puppets.

Give me a break.

You want something that would have shocked everyone?  Imagine if you will during the last election that Putin was an option on the ballot.

Just hear me out.

Would he have won?  NO.  But many would been very surprised by how many votes he would have received; and he wouldn't have needed hackers to get that number.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:18:51
That thought kind of opens up an image in my head of people voting ironically. I'm sure ironic voting is actually a thing but probably hard to quantify
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:22:51
That thought kind of opens up an image in my head of people voting ironically. I'm sure ironic voting is actually a thing but probably hard to quantify


It's only a miniscule percentage.


It would require the person's input to vote (showing up cost) to be minimal.

For example, a young teacher who works at the school where the booths are setup in the gym that day..



If a person has to cross any large distance to vote, more than 1 block radius,   then those who show up will have some purposed political agenda,   Otherwise, why get out of bed.




People who get out of bed to be sarcastic are on reddit and geekhack..  they wouldn't drive all the way down to the booth just to be sarcastic.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:24:24
Quote
If we are going off of limited evidence both candidates' heads should've rolled.

I honestly don't understand this argument. I don't like Hillary more than anyone else, but the fact of the matter is that she is not President of the United States right now.

Why should we be wasting time, that Trump is spending currently in office, investigating the losing candidate when there is a sitting President to investigate?

If everything comes up clean for Trump, guess what? We can still investigate Hillary and "the Dems" without having lost anything. Hillary holds no political office, any damage her supposed corruption could cause now is extremely limited. Trump, on the other hand...

The whole idea is a stall tactic; a diversion. Everyone likes to talk about "main stream media" pulling the wool over our eyes, when the President himself is trying to do it on a daily basis through baseless twitter rants.

You're either purposefully forgetting momentum, or disregarding it all together.

 There are swathes of people who want to see her in jail, and I'm sure he got some votes simply for saying so. As well as I'm sure the entire country of Haiti is hoping so as well. We live in one of the most outspoken ages, even regular Joes across the globe are interested.

 This is simply follow through. Which, honestly I like.

 Tptb imo are hoping this will be swept under the rug; the sooner this disappears from the spot light, the quicker they can go back to being crooks.

As far as Trump's stuff is concerned, it would have already been game over if there was anything that would stick. People ****ing hate Trump. People with lots of power, people with no power; doesn't matter-
 absolutely disgusted with this man. The fight against him is ongoing. If there were a thread to yank on his sweater, they would've. And the PR resources pointed towards this guy is INSANE. INSANE. So instead of telling you what he has done wrong, they want you to FEEL like he has done wrong in the least. There can be no discernment that the media is straight up trying to manipulate the country into being against this guy. And for good reason.

 I already mentioned the 1500+ pedo arrests. You think Harvey Weinstein would've gotten outed if Hillary were Chief? I don't think so. Not because she loves pedos, but because she represents the status quo, woman or not. And we all know pedos and sexual deviants are a protected class among America's Aristocrazy. When ya swish some dirt from the right place around in a pan, sometimes you find a little gold. But ya gotta get the dirt first.

So I think that has something to do with why I think the Clinton investigation is more relevant. Not being Prez didn't stop them from abusing her influence. That family is powerful, no mistake about it.

Trump tweeting is fantastic. I don't participate in twitter, however I do get glance when something pops up on radar. I've met lots of people who feel like it's unpresidential and have shown indignation at the thought of one of the most powerful people in the world tweeting, of all things.

Twitter has 330 million users this quarter. I'd go so far as to say that it humanizes this guy in that he's utilizing one of the most popular forms of social media.. Like many of us. And in a way lowers him (as a human) off of a pedestal that the presidents usually have. Also, it's very transparent in what it reveals about the three branches of our government in the US. He *****es and moans on twitter because he isn't an omnipotent jackass who can do as he please. He actually has to wait in line at the DMV (figuratively) just like we do for America's justice system to work itself out. Sure he can write EO's, but we've watched that play out with those judges in CA and HI overturning it or whatever.

About the baseless comment, I don't know where you get that. Maybe I just don't follow enough of the tweets. Nor do I see that wool = urging justice (in his opinion) forward.

Wool to me, is Kevin Spacey coming out as gay and guilty of sexually assaulting a minor simultaneously and the media spinning it to say people are pissed at him cause he's gay. Nahhhh. It's 2017, being gay is far from a suprise to anyone. Frank Ocean came out or at least bi, no one was mad. Interested, not mad.

You could make an argument that releasing the JFK files was a distraction, maybe it was. I'll concede that, still pretty damn cool though.

I'll admit I am biased. I'm not emotional enough to be on the left, nor pragmatic enough to be on the right. However, I follow logic and logic says she's poison. We've just been waiting for the toxicology report.

I do have problems with Trump, however this post has been long enough.   :eek:







 




Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:37:22
^ That's why all the Trump haters will be sad once he is reelected.  Because they would rather fester in their rabies than put pressure on the DNC to come up with viable candidates.

The path of least resistance.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:44:24
That thought kind of opens up an image in my head of people voting ironically. I'm sure ironic voting is actually a thing but probably hard to quantify


It's only a miniscule percentage.


It would require the person's input to vote (showing up cost) to be minimal.

For example, a young teacher who works at the school where the booths are setup in the gym that day..



If a person has to cross any large distance to vote, more than 1 block radius,   then those who show up will have some purposed political agenda,   Otherwise, why get out of bed.




People who get out of bed to be sarcastic are on reddit and geekhack..  they wouldn't drive all the way down to the booth just to be sarcastic.

I think you are underestimating the power of irony. Their gift for ironic voting would potentially be 4-8 years of ironic social engagement. From what I understand as an outsider looking in, a few hours at the polls is equivalent to 4-8 years worth of VIP access via their favorite comedy club. I'm not an ironic voter I just think that aspect of voting might make for an interesting read.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:48:01

I think you are underestimating the power of irony. Their gift for ironic voting would potentially be 4-8 years of ironic social engagement. From what I understand as an outsider looking in, a few hours at the polls is equivalent to 4-8 years worth of VIP access via their favorite comedy club. I'm not an ironic voter I just think that aspect of voting might make for an interesting read.


You would be correct 20-30 years ago, when people had more energy, and Outside-minded-ness.


But, I don't even want to walk down to the kitchen..

When drones came out, I contemplated getting one,  Not to take aerial photos,  but to fly it down to the refrigerator for a sandwich.


American lazy is on a whole new level..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 01 November 2017, 13:54:21

I think you are underestimating the power of irony. Their gift for ironic voting would potentially be 4-8 years of ironic social engagement. From what I understand as an outsider looking in, a few hours at the polls is equivalent to 4-8 years worth of VIP access via their favorite comedy club. I'm not an ironic voter I just think that aspect of voting might make for an interesting read.


You would be correct 20-30 years ago, when people had more energy, and Outside-minded-ness.


But, I don't even want to walk down to the kitchen..

When drones came out, I contemplated getting one,  Not to take aerial photos,  but to fly it down to the refrigerator for a sandwich.


American lazy is on a whole new level..

Dopamine. Unlock the phone and bam, you're dosed. No need to venture outside these days.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:01:41
That thought kind of opens up an image in my head of people voting ironically. I'm sure ironic voting is actually a thing but probably hard to quantify

A large portion of Trump voters were in fact trolls from places like 4chan and the like. If you frequented forums leading up to the election there was a big anon movement to troll the election by ironically voting Trump thinking he had no chance of actually winning. It was in fact supposed to be, or at least started as an edgy ironic joke. Funny and sad at the same time.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:03:42
That thought kind of opens up an image in my head of people voting ironically. I'm sure ironic voting is actually a thing but probably hard to quantify

A large portion of Trump voters were in fact trolls from places like 4chan and the like. If you frequented forums leading up to the election there was a big anon movement to troll the election by ironically voting Trump thinking he had no chance of actually winning. It was in fact supposed to be, or at least started as an edgy ironic joke. Funny and sad at the same time.


If this is true, it is the saddest example of democracy's failure.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:09:28
That thought kind of opens up an image in my head of people voting ironically. I'm sure ironic voting is actually a thing but probably hard to quantify

A large portion of Trump voters were in fact trolls from places like 4chan and the like. If you frequented forums leading up to the election there was a big anon movement to troll the election by ironically voting Trump thinking he had no chance of actually winning. It was in fact supposed to be, or at least started as an edgy ironic joke. Funny and sad at the same time.

If this is true, it is the saddest example of democracy's failure.

It's not true at all.  Hillary is the reason why Trump won.

Seriously sometimes I feel like I'm living in a computer simulation.  Every Anti-Trump bot refuses to acknowledge that Hillary was the reason why Trump was elected.

They would rather run their proverbial mouths about how bad Trump is - because lets admit it - any anonymous keyboard warrior that isn't a paid protester can do it from the comfort of their armchair.

If you hate Trump so much get off your lazy arse and go find a worthy candidate to take him down.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:12:40
If you hate Trump so much get off your lazy arse and go find a worthy candidate to take him down.

There was, the people voted for him and then his own party ousted him for an unlikable synth.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:18:03
That thought kind of opens up an image in my head of people voting ironically. I'm sure ironic voting is actually a thing but probably hard to quantify

A large portion of Trump voters were in fact trolls from places like 4chan and the like. If you frequented forums leading up to the election there was a big anon movement to troll the election by ironically voting Trump thinking he had no chance of actually winning. It was in fact supposed to be, or at least started as an edgy ironic joke. Funny and sad at the same time.

Totally started similar to that for sure, but there's a real dogma in those early 4chan threads about that Trump and his "dubs" and "trips". Kind of funny if you ask me. I like it, makes for a good story.

But to say Anons represented a large enough number to throw an entire election is disingenuous, and like TP said doesn't relay the true laziness of Americans. Lots of people are all talk and roleplay online.

The fact is she spent close to a billion dollars on campaigning, still lost. Enough regular voters detest her as well.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:22:01
Well, what's the alternative for one? Two, people are gonna spend their votes how they want, that's what democrazy is about. Can't hate on people for being less educated about their picks, nor more educated. I'm not speaking for any side when I say that.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 01 November 2017, 16:16:13
The fact is that far more eligible voters did not vote at all in 2016 than voted for any candidate.

The ignorance, anger, apathy, or whatever it was that kept those voters at home allowed (through the twin machinations of the Electoral College and gerrymandering) 26%of eligible US voters to install their candidate in the White House.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Wed, 01 November 2017, 19:10:52
"BUT.... BUT.... BUT.... RUSSIA!" (as they wipe the rabid saliva off their mouthes)

As if the United States never invaded other countries and installed their own puppets.
Wait, we invaded the United States? I must have missed something.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Thu, 02 November 2017, 07:31:02
"BUT.... BUT.... BUT.... RUSSIA!" (as they wipe the rabid saliva off their mouthes)

As if the United States never invaded other countries and installed their own puppets.
Wait, we invaded the United States? I must have missed something.

What I meant was, there is a difference between Russia and/or other countries influencing US elections and a military power (Uncle Sam) outright invading a country and putting their people in power.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ander on Sat, 04 November 2017, 05:51:34
Okay—it's a year later, and it's officially confirmed in all but the smallest, most backward places: Trump's the Worst. President. Ever.

Have we had enough now? I mean, okay, ha ha, there were lotsa laughs. Really, though, could we wind up the circus now and return to actually getting a few things done?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 04 November 2017, 07:48:42
LOL
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 04 November 2017, 08:22:29

return to actually getting a few things done?

Not until the Republican Party is no longer in power.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 04 November 2017, 08:24:16
I thought that the news about the Twitter employee removing Trump's account on his last day of work was hilarious! Kudos to that guy. He has balls!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Sat, 04 November 2017, 08:32:02
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 04 November 2017, 11:06:59
"BUT.... BUT.... BUT.... RUSSIA!" (as they wipe the rabid saliva off their mouthes)

As if the United States never invaded other countries and installed their own puppets.
Wait, we invaded the United States? I must have missed something.

What I meant was, there is a difference between Russia and/or other countries influencing US elections and a military power (Uncle Sam) outright invading a country and putting their people in power.

You think Russia never did that?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 04 November 2017, 11:40:57
I thought that the news about the Twitter employee removing Trump's account on his last day of work was hilarious! Kudos to that guy. He has balls!

The funny thing is that he will spend two and a half days in China on his tour of Asia in which he won't be able to tweet either  :))
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Sat, 04 November 2017, 11:42:41
Okay—it's a year later, and it's officially confirmed in all but the smallest, most backward places: Trump's the Worst. President. Ever.

Have we had enough now? I mean, okay, ha ha, there were lotsa laughs. Really, though, could we wind up the circus now and return to actually getting a few things done?

like what?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 04 November 2017, 11:43:50
Okay—it's a year later, and it's officially confirmed in all but the smallest, most backward places: Trump's the Worst. President. Ever.

Have we had enough now? I mean, okay, ha ha, there were lotsa laughs. Really, though, could we wind up the circus now and return to actually getting a few things done?

like what?


I don't know where you're all getting your facts from..

Everything looks fine..


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Sat, 04 November 2017, 19:53:18
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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 15 November 2017, 21:27:43
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-reverse-ban-elephant-trophies-africa/story?id=51178663&cid=social_twitter_abcn (http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-reverse-ban-elephant-trophies-africa/story?id=51178663&cid=social_twitter_abcn)

There is literally no reason for this other than to coddle the testicles of rich hunter's(and his scumbag son) and so Trump can wag his tiny little thumb cock around because he got to reverse one of Obama's bills. If Obama passed a bill banning infant cannibalism, Trump would reverse it just to say he did.

 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Thu, 16 November 2017, 05:57:18
I'm not a hunter first of all and do not endorse or disapprove of it.

 For one, you're unlikely to completely stop poaching whatsoever, as long as ivory makes money and people in less developed areas believe it's magical. So to me after fully reading the article, sounds like they're trying to do something similar in the states by giving out hunting permits for them.

The demand for hunting large "interesting" game is there, and the fees "should/will" be used for conservation efforts. Which, makes sense in order to turn poaching into "regulated" hunting as much as is possible. 

The only problem I have is with is the human corruption. That thing at the end where they most likely, intentionally misreport the number of elephants killed. My bet is the money from the unaccounted ones went straight into some ones pocket up high.

I very much doubt your last sentence. The base that got him elected is generally pro-life, its the Left I believe that is pro-choice. 

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Thu, 16 November 2017, 07:49:53
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Thu, 16 November 2017, 10:39:16
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

Hopefully it saving doesn't mean eradicating
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 16 November 2017, 11:01:27
I'm not a hunter first of all and do not endorse or disapprove of it.

 For one, you're unlikely to completely stop poaching whatsoever, as long as ivory makes money and people in less developed areas believe it's magical. So to me after fully reading the article, sounds like they're trying to do something similar in the states by giving out hunting permits for them.

The demand for hunting large "interesting" game is there, and the fees "should/will" be used for conservation efforts. Which, makes sense in order to turn poaching into "regulated" hunting as much as is possible. 

The only problem I have is with is the human corruption. That thing at the end where they most likely, intentionally misreport the number of elephants killed. My bet is the money from the unaccounted ones went straight into some ones pocket up high.

I very much doubt your last sentence. The base that got him elected is generally pro-life, its the Left I believe that is pro-choice. 



See, the thing about elephants is they have a complex hierarchy structure. The older bull elephants who do not breed anymore don't prevent younger elephants from breeding, but what they do  do is teach non aggressive behavior to younger elephants and serve actual functional roles in the herd's structure. Nature already has a way of letting elephants know it's time to go, which is why they mysteriously wander off to an elephant graveyard when they become a burden on the herd.
 
Also elephant hunting is a *****-ass **** sport. You literally ride up alongside a grazing elephant in a jeep and blast it. No skill, no danger, just rich ****s checking a box on their lists.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 12:24:01

Also elephant hunting is a *****-ass **** sport. You literally ride up alongside a grazing elephant in a jeep and blast it. No skill, no danger, just rich ****s checking a box on their lists.

I agree. Trophy hunting is pretty sickening when its a threatened or endangered species. In these instances, is it even sport? How do people enjoy it?

The only compelling reasoning to me is the thought that wildlife preserves would authorize a kill only on elephants/animals they've confirmed to be irreversibly dying very soon and in the exchange for a vast sum of money that is veritably used for conservation and protection of those environments and its inhabitants. I haven't seen such transparency though.

I don't even like talking about Trump. He is nothing short of an embarrassment to this country time after time. It is saddening, really, if you're not just trying to meme about it. If it weren't for instant successes in cracking down on child trafficking, I would wonder what good has come from his presidency thus far. Hopefully awareness? That if you don't vote, like fohat.digs said, someone like this CAN get elected. I had never been introduced to the term yet but recently George H.W. Bush aka dubya senior called Trump a "blowhard" and I really think its the most fitting way to describe him. Alas, dubya senior has recently garnered some pretty serious allegations himself...

I hadn't seen this video referenced here but it is pretty relevant.
https://clips.twitch.tv/RespectfulImportantPotatoPeteZaroll (https://clips.twitch.tv/RespectfulImportantPotatoPeteZaroll)

If only the DNC hadn't tampered with the 2nd biggest election in this country. Maybe Bernie would be pres. right now - not that I was a supporter or anything but at this rate, he seems favorable to Trump, no? Wonder what that would be looking like
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 16 November 2017, 14:49:04
Note that both clothes and knife are still clean ....
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:05:58
I'm not a hunter first of all and do not endorse or disapprove of it.

 For one, you're unlikely to completely stop poaching whatsoever, as long as ivory makes money and people in less developed areas believe it's magical. So to me after fully reading the article, sounds like they're trying to do something similar in the states by giving out hunting permits for them.

The demand for hunting large "interesting" game is there, and the fees "should/will" be used for conservation efforts. Which, makes sense in order to turn poaching into "regulated" hunting as much as is possible. 

The only problem I have is with is the human corruption. That thing at the end where they most likely, intentionally misreport the number of elephants killed. My bet is the money from the unaccounted ones went straight into some ones pocket up high.

I very much doubt your last sentence. The base that got him elected is generally pro-life, its the Left I believe that is pro-choice. 



See, the thing about elephants is they have a complex hierarchy structure. The older bull elephants who do not breed anymore don't prevent younger elephants from breeding, but what they do  do is teach non aggressive behavior to younger elephants and serve actual functional roles in the herd's structure. Nature already has a way of letting elephants know it's time to go, which is why they mysteriously wander off to an elephant graveyard when they become a burden on the herd.
 
Also elephant hunting is a *****-ass **** sport. You literally ride up alongside a grazing elephant in a jeep and blast it. No skill, no danger, just rich ****s checking a box on their lists.

Oh absolutely, I agree with you. There's nothing but trophy in it for them. If I have to have an opinion on it, aside from what you've brought up; it's ****ing silly. I don't see a point to it. I am not very informed about an Elephant's nature, so that is news to me and I agree that as a "sport" it attracts the worst kinds.

Hopefully, there will be a shred of good to come of this if it goes through, in that money makes it out of people's pockets and back into conservation although I do not hold any misconceptions in that it would be better off left alone if the poachers are really 75% gone currently or whatever the article said.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:20:38

Also elephant hunting is a *****-ass **** sport. You literally ride up alongside a grazing elephant in a jeep and blast it. No skill, no danger, just rich ****s checking a box on their lists.

I agree. Trophy hunting is pretty sickening when its a threatened or endangered species. In these instances, is it even sport? How do people enjoy it?

The only compelling reasoning to me is the thought that wildlife preserves would authorize a kill only on elephants/animals they've confirmed to be irreversibly dying very soon and in the exchange for a vast sum of money that is veritably used for conservation and protection of those environments and its inhabitants. I haven't seen such transparency though.

I don't even like talking about Trump. He is nothing short of an embarrassment to this country time after time. It is saddening, really, if you're not just trying to meme about it. If it weren't for instant successes in cracking down on child trafficking, I would wonder what good has come from his presidency thus far. Hopefully awareness? That if you don't vote, like fohat.digs said, someone like this CAN get elected. I had never been introduced to the term yet but recently George H.W. Bush aka dubya senior called Trump a "blowhard" and I really think its the most fitting way to describe him. Alas, dubya senior has recently garnered some pretty serious allegations himself...

I hadn't seen this video referenced here but it is pretty relevant.
https://clips.twitch.tv/RespectfulImportantPotatoPeteZaroll (https://clips.twitch.tv/RespectfulImportantPotatoPeteZaroll)

If only the DNC hadn't tampered with the 2nd biggest election in this country. Maybe Bernie would be pres. right now - not that I was a supporter or anything but at this rate, he seems favorable to Trump, no? Wonder what that would be looking like

Bernie was all dust and musk; of his promises of utopia none would've come to fruition. He doesn't have the clout obviously.

I can't believe anyone takes anything any of the Bush's say with any credibility, one year ago the masses' opinions on that family were just as much bad guys as the Clintons. If you had any illusion that there were actually two sides when you voted, I hope that was dispelled when you see them all hanging out.

I'm happy enough that those child traffickers are off the streets and hoping they sing for more.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 16 November 2017, 19:54:28
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

What about global warming?

Oh wait, that's a lie, isn't it.  Then why are sales of boats soaring?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 November 2017, 20:11:37
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

What about global warming?

Oh wait, that's a lie, isn't it.  Then why are sales of boats soaring?

I've seen the mighty moon-worm..

Actually, I just watched inconvenience sequel.. we're so ffff-ed..   



As is,  it's almost certainly too late.. we will have major famine and war within 100 years..

That isn't to say we shouldn't TRY to fix it,  but, at this point..  apocalypse is already happening.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 16 November 2017, 20:13:12

What about global warming?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/24/donald-trump-calls-global-warming-a-hoax-until-it-threatens-his-golf-course/?utm_term=.b68d4bdba4e8 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/24/donald-trump-calls-global-warming-a-hoax-until-it-threatens-his-golf-course/?utm_term=.b68d4bdba4e8)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 November 2017, 20:14:33

What about global warming?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/24/donald-trump-calls-global-warming-a-hoax-until-it-threatens-his-golf-course/?utm_term=.b68d4bdba4e8 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/24/donald-trump-calls-global-warming-a-hoax-until-it-threatens-his-golf-course/?utm_term=.b68d4bdba4e8)

Golf is going away as the old people die off..


It makes no sense to play something like that,  when there's Overwatch..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 16 November 2017, 23:43:58

What about global warming?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/24/donald-trump-calls-global-warming-a-hoax-until-it-threatens-his-golf-course/?utm_term=.b68d4bdba4e8 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/24/donald-trump-calls-global-warming-a-hoax-until-it-threatens-his-golf-course/?utm_term=.b68d4bdba4e8)

Golf is going away as the old people die off..


It makes no sense to play something like that,  when there's Overwatch..

The aim of golf is to play as little golf as possible.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Fri, 17 November 2017, 00:45:56

Bernie was all dust and musk; of his promises of utopia none would've come to fruition. He doesn't have the clout obviously.

I can't believe anyone takes anything any of the Bush's say with any credibility, one year ago the masses' opinions on that family were just as much bad guys as the Clintons. If you had any illusion that there were actually two sides when you voted, I hope that was dispelled when you see them all hanging out.

I'm happy enough that those child traffickers are off the streets and hoping they sing for more.

Maybe he was all dust and musk but a president has limited power, especially when congress is controlled by the other party. There always seem to be some promises that are hard to keep, like, I didn't have relations with that woman, We're going to close Gitmo, We're going to build a wall.. I'll admit, Bernie's support of Clinton after being cheated by her and the DNC made him look weak imo. The DNC members were so idiotic, at that point, everyone was leaning towards Trump over the blatantly criminal Clinton. I still can't help but wonder what would be different if we didn't have a blowhard in office. Credible or not, you'd be lying if you said blowhard didn't describe Trump comically well in one word  :p blowhard
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 17 November 2017, 01:11:54

Bernie was all dust and musk; of his promises of utopia none would've come to fruition. He doesn't have the clout obviously.

I can't believe anyone takes anything any of the Bush's say with any credibility, one year ago the masses' opinions on that family were just as much bad guys as the Clintons. If you had any illusion that there were actually two sides when you voted, I hope that was dispelled when you see them all hanging out.

I'm happy enough that those child traffickers are off the streets and hoping they sing for more.

Maybe he was all dust and musk but a president has limited power, especially when congress is controlled by the other party. There always seem to be some promises that are hard to keep, like, I didn't have relations with that woman, We're going to close Gitmo, We're going to build a wall.. I'll admit, Bernie's support of Clinton after being cheated by her and the DNC made him look weak imo. The DNC members were so idiotic, at that point, everyone was leaning towards Trump over the blatantly criminal Clinton. I still can't help but wonder what would be different if we didn't have a blowhard in office. Credible or not, you'd be lying if you said blowhard didn't describe Trump comically well in one word  :p blowhard



Trump is as good a president as any..

If you believe otherwise,  it is because you don't understand the president's actual function, and you don't understand the real power behind 'Murica



Monsanto, Raytheon, Lockheed, Boeing, Intel, Northrop
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Fri, 17 November 2017, 02:01:04


Trump is as good a president as any..

If you believe otherwise,  it is because you don't understand the president's actual function, and you don't understand the real power behind 'Murica



Monsanto, Raytheon, Lockheed, Boeing, Intel, Northrop

The president's actual function according to who/what? According to the Constitution and tradition, his function as a diplomat and moral leader? A party leader? As Chief Executive, responsible for seeing that all laws are faithfully executed? I wonder how much "good" he really is responsible for
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 17 November 2017, 03:02:26

The president's actual function according to who/what? According to the Constitution and tradition, his function as a diplomat and moral leader? A party leader? As Chief Executive, responsible for seeing that all laws are faithfully executed? I wonder how much "good" he really is responsible for

The president does one thing.. To give the appearance of firm unitary power stance..

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the billionaires and billionaire weapons merchants debate and carve up the world and its people.

Half their legacy sons and daughters stay in the family business,  half enters political office..


That's how it's always been, and that's how it will always be..


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Fri, 17 November 2017, 10:32:30
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

Hopefully it saving doesn't mean eradicating

By saving I mean there will be no left, there will be no right, probably no religion either which would be a glorious - only your fellow humans trying to survive.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Sat, 18 November 2017, 10:05:28
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

Hopefully it saving doesn't mean eradicating

By saving I mean there will be no left, there will be no right, probably no religion either which would be a glorious - only your fellow humans trying to survive.

You don't think people would revere it as god eventually, or even some oppose it?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 November 2017, 10:24:22
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

Hopefully it saving doesn't mean eradicating

By saving I mean there will be no left, there will be no right, probably no religion either which would be a glorious - only your fellow humans trying to survive.

You don't think people would revere it as god eventually, or even some oppose it?


It's only dangerous if it's advanced enough to understand LIFE at all cost, but NOT advanced enough to process empathy and nostalgia..


You don't kill your parents, because killing Feeels bad in general, and the parents may remind one of a (sometimes) good childhood.



However, if the AI is ONLY  after survival,  then Humanity as its parents is 100% screwed..


It will develop brain harvesting technology to propagate its logic matrix. Kill off all men,  Enslave all women for production of more brains.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: dante on Sat, 18 November 2017, 11:46:26
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

Hopefully it saving doesn't mean eradicating

By saving I mean there will be no left, there will be no right, probably no religion either which would be a glorious - only your fellow humans trying to survive.

You don't think people would revere it as god eventually, or even some oppose it?

God? No.  The savior the world desperately needs: Yes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Sat, 18 November 2017, 12:15:15
The only thing that can save us now is Skynet.

Hopefully it saving doesn't mean eradicating

What do you think that world would look like?
By saving I mean there will be no left, there will be no right, probably no religion either which would be a glorious - only your fellow humans trying to survive.

You don't think people would revere it as god eventually, or even some oppose it?

God? No.  The savior the world desperately needs: Yes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 18 November 2017, 13:08:00
We, both as individuals and as a race, must take responsibility and save ourselves.

Knowledge and wisdom are our best tools, selfishness and ignorance are our worst foes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 15 July 2018, 14:54:03
It seems his goal right now is to damage the USA's  reputation and influence in the global arena. I don't know why he's saying and doing these things that offend allied countries, ruin trade relations, and make the country seem weak, but he's doing a great job of it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 15 July 2018, 15:39:23

I don't know why he's saying and doing these things that offend allied countries, ruin trade relations, and make the country seem weak,


Because that is what Putin wants him to do and he owes the Russian mafia hundreds of millions of dollars.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 July 2018, 15:57:02
It seems his goal right now is to damage the USA's  reputation and influence in the global arena. I don't know why he's saying and doing these things that offend allied countries, ruin trade relations, and make the country seem weak, but he's doing a great job of it.


Trump is heavily connected in the Gambling scene.

Wallstreet is the world's largest casino.

Him Juliani, NewYORK, WALLSTREET, etc..


They're in league,  and now they've got the world's most powerful Fake news Platform to make Large swings in the market..


The people IN on their group gets to make billions,  the People on the outside just see these weird inexplicable behavior.

In the end,  it doesn't hurt anyone except  their trade competitions.


It's rich men doing rich men things..


Nothing for little people like us to worry about, 


No one is going to fight a war over the things Trump talk about,  it's just a show stage for the casino.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: snarfbot on Sun, 15 July 2018, 16:08:32
lots of crazy propaganda in here you guys are wacked.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 15 July 2018, 16:14:48
Because that is what Putin wants him to do and he owes the Russian mafia hundreds of millions of dollars.
Trump will be meeting his boss again tomorrow for more instructions.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 July 2018, 16:21:16
Because that is what Putin wants him to do and he owes the Russian mafia hundreds of millions of dollars.
Trump will be meeting his boss again tomorrow for more instructions.


If this does involve russia,  it's probably some sort of debaucherous sexual blackmail

It's definitely not about owe-ing money.. Trump has owed money before,  he wouldn't need to do all this just to get out of it.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 15 July 2018, 16:32:24
lots of crazy propaganda in here you guys are wacked.

If any of you like to read, I will recommend this one:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35356384-how-democracies-die (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35356384-how-democracies-die)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 15 July 2018, 17:35:35
Thread cleaned up a bit at the end. 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 July 2018, 17:43:19
lots of crazy propaganda in here you guys are wacked.

If any of you like to read, I will recommend this one:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35356384-how-democracies-die (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35356384-how-democracies-die)

I don't believe that is a good read..

Democracy as an ideal is fine, even very very good.

But we do not live in it..

If we are all suppose to have equivalent voting power and value,  who voted to do the same work for unequal pay.


If the system actually works, and America gets better SINCE the founding, why does pay gap always increase..

How did bush jr and Trump lose the popular vote and still become president..



Democracy exists as an idea, and it may be true that America is closer to it than elsewhere, 

But We're not remotely there yet. and a Book titled "How Democracy Dies" must presume Democracy has lived, which is simply not the case, as It is absolutely a certainty that ALL NATIONS are Oligarchies..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 15 July 2018, 17:52:56
Yeah, because reading is painfully outdated... </sarcasm> Added How Democracies Die to my list, thank you for the recommendation :)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 July 2018, 17:55:16
Yeah, because reading is painfully outdated... </sarcasm> Added How Democracies Die to my list, thank you for the recommendation :)


Reading is alrite..  outside of scientific writing, I never understood why we needed such length of words to describe some simple ideas.

Reading lists, mm.. you'll probably never get to it as a modern human..

Too much netflix and vidya available..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 15 July 2018, 18:14:09
Yeah, because reading is painfully outdated... </sarcasm> Added How Democracies Die to my list, thank you for the recommendation :)


Reading is alrite..  outside of scientific writing, I never understood why we needed such length of words to describe some simple ideas.

Reading lists, mm.. you'll probably never get to it as a modern human..

Too much netflix and vidya available..


Reading from three different books each day helps chip away at the list. So it goes.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 15 July 2018, 18:30:09
If you read (guess some of you don't) literally any habits of the super wealthy or successful one that is always on the list is they tend to be voracious readers. The majority of them take at least 30mins a day, if not more, to just sit and read books.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 July 2018, 19:01:18
Yeah, because reading is painfully outdated... </sarcasm> Added How Democracies Die to my list, thank you for the recommendation :)


Reading is alrite..  outside of scientific writing, I never understood why we needed such length of words to describe some simple ideas.

Reading lists, mm.. you'll probably never get to it as a modern human..

Too much netflix and vidya available..


Reading from three different books each day helps chip away at the list. So it goes.

I'm quite impressed if you're actually doing as such..

Tp4 recommends

committee of 300


and

creature of jekyll island
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 15 July 2018, 19:28:25
Yeah, because reading is painfully outdated... </sarcasm> Added How Democracies Die to my list, thank you for the recommendation :)


Reading is alrite..  outside of scientific writing, I never understood why we needed such length of words to describe some simple ideas.

Reading lists, mm.. you'll probably never get to it as a modern human..

Too much netflix and vidya available..


Reading from three different books each day helps chip away at the list. So it goes.

I'm quite impressed if you're actually doing as such..

Tp4 recommends

committee of 300


and

creature of jekyll island


Those titles remind me of the days when I really enjoyed books in the same vein as The Flouride Deception. But that was around 06' perhaps 07'
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 July 2018, 19:54:38

Those titles remind me of the days when I really enjoyed books in the same vein as The Flouride Deception. But that was around 06' perhaps 07'



Well, hahaha.. it's not exactly conspiracy.

They're about the banking system and the very select group of bankers who decide the fate of the known world.


Some people take these books as Awakenings of sorts, or Freedom from oppression.


However, I personally believe that to be wishful naivety.


ANYTIME you put Human beings in charge,  given enough time,  it ends up in the same arrangement.. 

Consolidated power Oligarchy.



I certainly hope the technology will be there in our futures to offload macro decision making enough that this doesn't happen..


Yet, the back of my mind,  I look at human beings and how primitive spirituality and animalistic minds are...   Not saying I've given up..

But, sigh..............
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 16 July 2018, 11:05:39

Those titles remind me of the days when I really enjoyed books in the same vein as The Flouride Deception. But that was around 06' perhaps 07'



Well, hahaha.. it's not exactly conspiracy.

They're about the banking system and the very select group of bankers who decide the fate of the known world.


Some people take these books as Awakenings of sorts, or Freedom from oppression.


However, I personally believe that to be wishful naivety.


ANYTIME you put Human beings in charge,  given enough time,  it ends up in the same arrangement.. 

Consolidated power Oligarchy.



I certainly hope the technology will be there in our futures to offload macro decision making enough that this doesn't happen..


Yet, the back of my mind,  I look at human beings and how primitive spirituality and animalistic minds are...   Not saying I've given up..

But, sigh..............


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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 July 2018, 11:35:59

Show Image
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/square/000/022/488/c6bf9b08586c241b021dd04c204b7a85.png)


(https://i.imgur.com/UzALKpm.gif)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:19:38
I just watched an excerpt from the press conference at Putin's meeting with Trump, listening to what Trump said.

I laughed out loud with my face in my hands ...
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 July 2018, 15:31:25
I just watched an excerpt from the press conference at Putin's meeting with Trump, listening to what Trump said.

I laughed out loud with my face in my hands ...

I think he did the job wonderfully..

The hallmark of incredible statesmenship is to have one's mouth moving while the sounds mean nothing, leads to nothing, and ultimate protect the status quo of the nation's elite banking and corporate owners.

Trump is our ideal president and ambassador..


Everyone else has now fallen into America's clever fascade of incompetance, meanwhile the Powers-That-Be ROB other nations blind through debt creation, fractional reserve lending, and Printing Dolla Dolla Billz.


Trump 1000 Years. !!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 16 July 2018, 16:02:08
They are saying the pee tapes are real. I believe something close to that exists.

On another note, do you think Melania could be a Russian informant?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 July 2018, 16:11:41
They are saying the pee tapes are real. I believe something close to that exists.

On another note, do you think Melania could be a Russian informant?


It'd be very embarrassing to some of the -Other- Presidents.

But Not Trump..   


Again.. I re-iterate.. Trump = Best President.

Immune to blackmail is no-small-power for a Politician..


It would have to be way worse, like a -social taboo- to even scratch Trump..  A Wii Tape is at worst a General Fringe Fetish..   - 



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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 16 July 2018, 16:24:55
Immune to blackmail is no-small-power for a Politician..

Literally his entire presidency has been puppeted through blackmail of the money he's borrowed and had laundered via Russia. Probably the deal they (Russian Mob) struck with him so he could still protect his money by not having to pay them back, and instead pay them back through political influence and law-bending.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 16 July 2018, 16:30:03
As tp4 said, the drama around Trump could be misdirection. However, I doubt that the objective is the status quo. Trump is destroying too much. I think it is more likely that he is leading us away from some real **** that is going down on the side.

Whether the pee tapes are real or not is not important ... and if they existed, would they slander Trumps' character or not? Hardly. What character? It would be a drop in the ocean. He has no honour left to defend. The damage is done, by himself in public many times over.
Also, Russia does not need Melania (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmuR2XFxkdU) to be an informant, Trump is doing willingly what Putin wants without him even asking.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 July 2018, 16:33:42
Immune to blackmail is no-small-power for a Politician..

Literally his entire presidency has been puppeted through blackmail of the money he's borrowed and had laundered via Russia. Probably the deal they (Russian Mob) struck with him so he could still protect his money by not having to pay them back, and instead pay them back through political influence and law-bending.



People like Trump can not be threatened by NO MONEY,  because whatever they owe,  They still possess established means of making it back , even if it takes a while to get flush..


If it is a threat, (by the russians), it's either an incest video or some other taboo thing..


There's no reason to do all this work, if it was just over money. .

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 16 July 2018, 16:38:50
You do not understand the ego of this man. Literally ALL he cares about is his image and his money. Literally.

The Presidency is supposed to be a fiduciary role, he's using it for personal interests. That's called corruption.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 July 2018, 16:59:09
You do not understand the ego of this man. Literally ALL he cares about is his image and his money. Literally.

The Presidency is supposed to be a fiduciary role, he's using it for personal interests. That's called corruption.

We can only speculate..  could money be involved , sure..

I am only cautious against the narrow critique that Trump is doing what he's doing Solely because of monetary blackmail, which is quite impossible.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 16 July 2018, 17:35:02

I doubt that the objective is the status quo. Trump is destroying too much.


One of the better articles on the subject:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/19/trump-russia-fake-news-libertarians-autocrats-democracy (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/19/trump-russia-fake-news-libertarians-autocrats-democracy)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 16 July 2018, 19:31:14
Damn. Via video tweet too.

TheHill | Schwarzenegger: Trump looked like a 'little wet noodle' during Putin press conference
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/397328-schwarzenegger-trump-looked-like-a-little-wet-noodle (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/397328-schwarzenegger-trump-looked-like-a-little-wet-noodle)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 July 2018, 21:46:55
Damn. Via video tweet too.

TheHill | Schwarzenegger: Trump looked like a 'little wet noodle' during Putin press conference
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/397328-schwarzenegger-trump-looked-like-a-little-wet-noodle (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/397328-schwarzenegger-trump-looked-like-a-little-wet-noodle)


Schwarzenegger for President ??

You can tell he's got the lust for it..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 17 July 2018, 03:03:13
When The Onion doesn't even need to fabricate an article title you know everything's going swell!
https://politics.theonion.com/trump-putin-hold-first-joint-press-crackdown-1827633703 (https://politics.theonion.com/trump-putin-hold-first-joint-press-crackdown-1827633703)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Tue, 17 July 2018, 03:14:54
Firstly, just googled trump pee tapes and was not dissapointed. Secondly, prolapse tapes would have been better. Thirdly, pffft that is some noob ass material.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 17 July 2018, 05:32:33
I'd say it's fun to watch from the sidelines as Trump goes nutballs, but it really isn't.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 July 2018, 07:10:27
I'd say it's fun to watch from the sidelines as Trump goes nutballs, but it really isn't.

There is nothing funny about it, even comedians often can't top the simple facts of reality.

Among the most bizarre aspects of it, to me, is that ignorant working-class rural "common" people would so adore the quintessential pretentious, condescending, spoiled, infantile, New York City rich boy. By all rights, he should be the very embodiment of everything that they would despise.
 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 July 2018, 08:43:26
Firstly, just googled trump pee tapes and was not dissapointed. Secondly, prolapse tapes would have been better. Thirdly, pffft that is some noob ass material.

Link to tape ?

I thought it was just a rumor ??
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:01:50
I'd say it's fun to watch from the sidelines as Trump goes nutballs, but it really isn't.

There is nothing funny about it, even comedians often can't top the simple facts of reality.

Among the most bizarre aspects of it, to me, is that ignorant working-class rural "common" people would so adore the quintessential pretentious, condescending, spoiled, infantile, New York City rich boy. By all rights, he should be the very embodiment of everything that they would despise.
That's a really interesting point actually, I had never thought of it like that xD .

And you're definitely right about the first point. The best a comedian can do to make fun of Trump is to just quote him. It's one of those cases where only truth is stranger than fiction.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Blaise170 on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:10:31
Among the most bizarre aspects of it, to me, is that ignorant working-class rural "common" people would so adore the quintessential pretentious, condescending, spoiled, infantile, New York City rich boy. By all rights, he should be the very embodiment of everything that they would despise.

I know plenty of people in my hometown who still support the troll. How? I have no idea. I don't know if it's a lifetime of brainwashing by Republicans and Evangelism, if it's ineptitude and ignorance, or some other thing. But these are the same people who I see on Facebook talking about how terrible Obama is, why Clinton hasn't been locked up yet, how "libturds" want to take away all of our guns, or whatever else. Literally Obama has been out of office for two years, Clinton is irrelevant these days (despite still being targeted by Fox News every day), few people want to take away "all the guns", etc. And it's worse because I can't even talk politics with my family because most of them are in this same realm of thought. I don't know how my (mostly Evangelical) family can support a man who is literally the embodiment of everything Christ didn't stand for. It boggles my mind almost daily.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:15:49
Among the most bizarre aspects of it, to me, is that ignorant working-class rural "common" people would so adore the quintessential pretentious, condescending, spoiled, infantile, New York City rich boy. By all rights, he should be the very embodiment of everything that they would despise.

I know plenty of people in my hometown who still support the troll. How? I have no idea. I don't know if it's a lifetime of brainwashing by Republicans and Evangelism, if it's ineptitude and ignorance, or some other thing. But these are the same people who I see on Facebook talking about how terrible Obama is, why Clinton hasn't been locked up yet, how "libturds" want to take away all of our guns, or whatever else. Literally Obama has been out of office for two years, Clinton is irrelevant these days (despite still being targeted by Fox News every day), few people want to take away "all the guns", etc. And it's worse because I can't even talk politics with my family because most of them are in this same realm of thought. I don't know how my (mostly Evangelical) family can support a man who is literally the embodiment of everything Christ didn't stand for. It boggles my mind almost daily.

Overall, Lesser aware individuals are interpreting the situation wrongly.
'
Trump, the Government, Our nation is NOT ran by incompetent people.

The Image they put forth is a cover for the (less than shiny) deals they're pulling in the back..


Anyone who complains about Trump and believes this is some unfortunate coincidence is both naive and myopic..


Presidents are Selected,  not Voted into Office,  (paraphrase) (google who said that)..

You can be sure this was deliberate and has far deeper a purpose.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Blaise170 on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:19:38
I don't believe most our government is incompetent but I do believe Trump ad some of his closest aids are. I believe that there is a puppet master pulling the strings behind the scenes. Now whether that is Russia, some elected US official, or some other power remains to be seen, but I don't like the direction that the country is moving. The current administration is undoing decades of progress.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:21:28
I can't believe he hasn't done anything he said he would, I'm still supporting thousands of people with my hard earned money and I don't get Christmas cards or anything.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:39:09
Schwarzenegger for President ??
I hope to some day visit a USA which is safer and nicer than now and has a Schwarzenegger Presidential Library (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPBrt-mdNmQ) ...

This is only presidential library Trump is going to get ... (http://www.ifitshipitshere.com/the-donald-j-trump-presidential-twitter-library/).
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:43:28
Schwarzenegger for President ??
I hope to some day visit a USA which is safer and nicer than now and has a Schwarzenegger Presidential Library (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPBrt-mdNmQ) ...

This is only presidential library Trump is going to get ... (http://www.ifitshipitshere.com/the-donald-j-trump-presidential-twitter-library/).

I would never go to the clinton library or ANY library..

But I would go as far as paying for a ticket at the Trump Library..

So..  hey..  clearly , Trump's doing something right..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 17 July 2018, 10:25:18
Reading this thread got me like

(https://imgur.com/zGHQb4O.gif?2)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 17 July 2018, 11:06:16
Damn. Via video tweet too.

TheHill | Schwarzenegger: Trump looked like a 'little wet noodle' during Putin press conference
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/397328-schwarzenegger-trump-looked-like-a-little-wet-noodle (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/397328-schwarzenegger-trump-looked-like-a-little-wet-noodle)


Schwarzenegger for President ??

You can tell he's got the lust for it..


We already know he can kick ass, what could go wrong? :p
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 July 2018, 18:03:26

I don't know if it's a lifetime of brainwashing by Republicans and Evangelism,


From my point of view and experience, the downhill slide began in earnest with the election of Reagan in 1980. The myth of the “Moral Majority” was perpetrated as if there existed a catch-all category of Americans who believed similarly on a wide range of subjects, as Nixon had also done a decade earlier by invoking his “Silent Majority” supporters.

Reagan embraced the notion and behaved as if there was a mandate from “his” constituency to bring about a plethora of radical quasi-fundamentalist “religious reforms” many revolving around sexual and reproductive issues.

At that point the flagship issues of abortion rights and “gay liberation” were generally accepted as settled doctrine around the country, certainly by nearly all young people and/or progressives. For example, abortion was a 3rd-tier social issue that was all but insignificant in the 1970s, and gay people were pouring out of the closet with little fear. Reagan’s dramatic lurch hard to the right was only made possible by what Jimmy Carter referred to as the country’s “malaise” in his famous 1979 speech.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/09/jimmy-carters-malaise-speech-was-popular/?utm_term=.0e81d297d1a0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/09/jimmy-carters-malaise-speech-was-popular/?utm_term=.0e81d297d1a0)

From my experience, the national mood of the US peaked in the late 1960s as our decade-long space race, in which we were all emotionally invested, and climaxed with televised Americans walking on the Moon. Euphoria is hardly a strong enough word for what we felt, and I feel certain that this country, as a whole, has never experienced anything like it, before or since. Generally, epic celebratory events result from the winning of wars, worthy accomplishments for certain, but hideous and gruesome nonetheless. Americans walking on the Moon was pure true human accomplishment.

Immediately afterwards, we suffered the double whammy of facing the ugly conclusion of the Vietnam war and then the humiliating demise of the Nixon presidency. (note that while I think that Nixon was a pathetic and disgusting person, he was not a bad president, as those things go)

This left the country fearful and disillusioned, and the James McGill Buchanan’s stealthy radical-right organization sprang into action. By co-opting what Reagan considered to be his “Moral Majority” under the funding of the ultra-wealthy tax-haters, the hard right began its inexorable march to the Trump horror.

Make no mistake – the one and only purpose of everything that the Republican Party does today revolves around stripping the meager wealth of the working classes and transferring it to the already-ultra-wealthy. Social issues such as the traditional “3-Gs” - God, guns, and gays are meaningless wedge issues drummed up to the forefront to motivate the ignorant to vote directly against their own self-interests.

Simultaneously, Carter’s malaise infected the center and left with increasing despair, and since there was no corresponding organizational impetus than to simply strive for the “common good” that the Founding Fathers trusted the people to steer towards, progressives have fallen into lethargy for a couple of generations.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 17 July 2018, 19:31:02
All this talk, now I just wanna see Schwarzenegger fight Trump.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 July 2018, 21:33:26
All this talk, now I just wanna see Schwarzenegger fight Trump.

Schwarzenegger is pretty flabby now..

It really comes down to who dies of a heart attack first..


We DO KNOW, that Schwarzeneggar is in that new Vegan documentary.. soooo.. my bet is still on Arnold
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 18 July 2018, 08:39:10
All this talk, now I just wanna see Schwarzenegger fight Trump.

Schwarzenegger is pretty flabby now..

It really comes down to who dies of a heart attack first..


We DO KNOW, that Schwarzeneggar is in that new Vegan documentary.. soooo.. my bet is still on Arnold


Uhhh he's not as swole as he once was, but "flabby" is hardly the word I would use.


Looks to be in better shape than probably 99% of Geekhack at 70 years old.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 July 2018, 09:59:02





Hrrrrmmm... Guess I gotta take it back..

Given that video, Trump prob has 0 chance..


(https://i.imgur.com/8l4kWNs.gif)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Blaise170 on Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:23:40
Trump probably has 0 chance? I'd be surprised if Trump lives to see his entire term, much less win a fight with a well trained body builder.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 July 2018, 11:03:07

I'd be surprised if Trump lives to see his entire term,


If he wasn't a permanent resident of la-la land he would have had heart attacks many times over by now.

Honestly, I don't think he has even the slightest clue about the seriousness of the things that he has done.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 July 2018, 11:51:32
Trump probably has 0 chance? I'd be surprised if Trump lives to see his entire term, much less win a fight with a well trained body builder.

Well, I don't see why Trump wouldn't finish the term..  He hasn't done anything GOOD, but he hasn't done anything BAD either..

In terms of governance, if everyone is fed and sleeping well..  That is the Ideal outcome.


Sure, we can't say Trump is the good-Guy..   But he's done as much as is necessary for a President,  which is NOTHING..

So.. Overall.. Trump = Good President..



All the stuff, trade-war,  russia.. it creates alot of extra Paper-work for someone..  But overall,  they're mostly inconsequential..
 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Blaise170 on Wed, 18 July 2018, 14:04:02
I don't mean in terms of politics (i.e. impeachment), I'm rather speaking in regards to his health.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 July 2018, 15:35:18
I don't mean in terms of politics (i.e. impeachment), I'm rather speaking in regards to his health.

If it comes down to it,  the Rich and Powerful purchase black market organs.

It's a well known fact, that's kept out of the news.. the same news network owned by the Rich and Powerful..

Hahahah

I mean,  people wait on the donor list for years...  Steve jobs gets one after a couple months..

Things like that.. you'd wonder,  did they really find it,  or cut it out of some poor indian guy ..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 July 2018, 15:40:05
awef
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Wed, 18 July 2018, 15:53:35
I don't mean in terms of politics (i.e. impeachment), I'm rather speaking in regards to his health.

If it comes down to it,  the Rich and Powerful purchase black market organs.

It's a well known fact, that's kept out of the news.. the same news network owned by the Rich and Powerful..

Hahahah

I mean,  people wait on the donor list for years...  Steve jobs gets one after a couple months..

Things like that.. you'd wonder,  did they really find it,  or cut it out of some poor indian guy ..


If you need money bad enough, organs will fetch a few bucks. Some people also don't care where they come from so long as they save a life.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 July 2018, 16:08:29

If you need money bad enough, organs will fetch a few bucks. Some people also don't care where they come from so long as they save a life.

It's unpleasant to think about..

But the Mechanics of human beings are what they are..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 18 July 2018, 16:39:58
Trump will just hire goons to hold him down.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 19 July 2018, 02:10:11
Trump is the greatest President since Presidents, change my mind.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 July 2018, 03:22:27
Trump is the greatest President since Presidents, change my mind.

Tp4 Agrees !!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 19 July 2018, 09:53:49
The Presidency Is Not Supposed To Be Entertainment !
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Thu, 19 July 2018, 09:59:10
The Presidency Is Not Supposed To Be Entertainment !
If there's one thing the US electorial system teaches us, it's that EVERYTHING in the US is supposed to be entertainment :p .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: romevi on Thu, 19 July 2018, 10:01:02
The Presidency Is Not Supposed To Be Entertainment !
If there's one thing the US electorial system teaches us, it's that EVERYTHING in the US is supposed to be entertainment :p .

 :cool:
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 July 2018, 11:01:55
The Presidency Is Not Supposed To Be Entertainment !
If there's one thing the US electorial system teaches us, it's that EVERYTHING in the US is supposed to be entertainment :p .

I've come to view humanity as predominantly monkey business..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 03 August 2018, 10:46:28
All this talk, now I just wanna see Schwarzenegger fight Trump.

Schwarzenegger is pretty flabby now..

It really comes down to who dies of a heart attack first..


We DO KNOW, that Schwarzeneggar is in that new Vegan documentary.. soooo.. my bet is still on Arnold


Uhhh he's not as swole as he once was, but "flabby" is hardly the word I would use.


Looks to be in better shape than probably 99% of Geekhack at 70 years old.

Looks like at 40 I'm going on TRT, screw getting old and weak
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 August 2018, 10:57:10

Looks like at 40 I'm going on TRT, screw getting old and weak


What is TRT
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 03 August 2018, 11:00:00

Looks like at 40 I'm going on TRT, screw getting old and weak


What is TRT

Testosterone replacement therapy; pretty popular with older gents.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: maxf on Fri, 03 August 2018, 11:02:34
wut in tarnation
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 August 2018, 11:10:55

Looks like at 40 I'm going on TRT, screw getting old and weak


What is TRT

Testosterone replacement therapy; pretty popular with older gents.

Is it just for body building, or does it do other things..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 03 August 2018, 11:35:54
No, it's a quality of life measure for men >30 I'd say. As you get older your testosterone production goes down, so people supplement it. Lower T can lead to all kinds of annoying things like depression, no sex drive, fat gain etc etc. Basically, something like bringing you back to your 20's test levels or somewhere around there. It'll shorten your life they say, but I say quality vs quantity :p


Also, any jacked older guy is most certainly on TRT or roids in general.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 15 January 2019, 07:36:45
He's like a terrorist from a bad movie at this point. Holding America hostage over a tantrum, and now in talks of pulling the US out of NATO. Seriously? How he has anyone supporting him anymore I cannot understand. He's literally become a terrorist, the biggest threat to the United States is the guy running it. **** is even happening?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 15 January 2019, 08:55:14
Oh good this thread is still going.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 15 January 2019, 09:46:33
You know, at first I thought that him getting elected was just a one-time error. You know "oops, we ****ed up, you're right, he's a total moron, won't make the same mistake again." But no, despite everything, people are STILL supporting him, and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if he was re-elected. It's exactly the same thing that happened and is still going on with Brexit and supporters of Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson; the people are faced with these really really obvious lies, and despite how glaringly and patently false all the statements are, even factual deconstruction can't change their minds as they have some kind of blinder on that will make them accept and even attempt to explain away all this bull**** that these politicians keep spouting. It's both hilarious and extremely saddening at the same time.

Of course, all of this is easy to explain. When you engage either of these groups of people, it's blatantly clear that there's only one thing that they care about. You know, the one none of them dare to admit.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 15 January 2019, 10:54:48
You know, at first I thought that him getting elected was just a one-time error. You know "oops, we ****ed up, you're right, he's a total moron, won't make the same mistake again." But no, despite everything, people are STILL supporting him, and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if he was re-elected. It's exactly the same thing that happened and is still going on with Brexit and supporters of Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson; the people are faced with these really really obvious lies, and despite how glaringly and patently false all the statements are, even factual deconstruction can't change their minds as they have some kind of blinder on that will make them accept and even attempt to explain away all this bull**** that these politicians keep spouting. It's both hilarious and extremely saddening at the same time.

Of course, all of this is easy to explain. When you engage either of these groups of people, it's blatantly clear that there's only one thing that they care about. You know, the one none of them dare to admit.

I find it very odd that ANYONE believes votes are ever counted.. or that democracy exists..

Naive,   

There is a power behind the throne,  be it britain's child-sex ring,  or casino-usa, or illegal animal fur china,


did we not all witness america elect 2 people who lost the popular vote ?

Did roosevelt not say unambiguously, "presidents are selected" ?


You've all seen game of thrones,  it's EXACTLY like that.. except everyone's less attractive..




The democratic contract with the people is a ploy,  THERE is no cake, there never was cake..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Tue, 15 January 2019, 12:58:19
You know, at first I thought that him getting elected was just a one-time error. You know "oops, we ****ed up, you're right, he's a total moron, won't make the same mistake again." But no, despite everything, people are STILL supporting him, and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if he was re-elected. It's exactly the same thing that happened and is still going on with Brexit and supporters of Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson; the people are faced with these really really obvious lies, and despite how glaringly and patently false all the statements are, even factual deconstruction can't change their minds as they have some kind of blinder on that will make them accept and even attempt to explain away all this bull**** that these politicians keep spouting. It's both hilarious and extremely saddening at the same time.

Of course, all of this is easy to explain. When you engage either of these groups of people, it's blatantly clear that there's only one thing that they care about. You know, the one none of them dare to admit.

I find it very odd that ANYONE believes votes are ever counted.. or that democracy exists..

Naive,   

There is a power behind the throne,  be it britain's child-sex ring,  or casino-usa, or illegal animal fur china,


did we not all witness america elect 2 people who lost the popular vote ?

Did roosevelt not say unambiguously, "presidents are selected" ?


You've all seen game of thrones,  it's EXACTLY like that.. except everyone's less attractive..




The democratic contract with the people is a ploy,  THERE is no cake, there never was cake..

Sorry mate, but what does that have to do with anything I said? xD
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 15 January 2019, 13:07:16
Sorry mate, but what does that have to do with anything I said? xD

Your post mentioned PEOPLE,   as in, somehow PEOPLE have real influence in what happens in world affairs.


That is the same as sheep having a say in their fur and their slaughter.


Removing the general population from view,  the process is clear, SOME POWER has something to gain by whatever is in process,  and that is exactly what will happen.

Regardless of how the sheep feels about being cold and dead.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 15 January 2019, 13:12:09
THERE is no cake, there never was cake..

too real ;_;
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 15 January 2019, 13:32:51
McDonalds served by candlelight, the peoples president.

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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ArchDill on Tue, 15 January 2019, 14:02:53
/end tp4tissue bot
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 15 January 2019, 18:25:31
You can look back through this thread and see my previous views on the subject but I'm so apathetic towards politics at this point. I know that it's a bit of a dangerous attitude to have, but everything coming from both sides of the aisle seems like such a crapshoot. It's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 15 January 2019, 19:06:29
While I was waiting for the bus today that was running 40 minutes behind schedule due to the shutdown I was talking to a very nice elderly lady who hasn't been getting her food stamps for the past two weeks and was on her way back from the local DSHS offices to work it out, which were also closed due to the shutdown.

Today was way too real for me.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 15 January 2019, 19:37:47
While I was waiting for the bus today that was running 40 minutes behind schedule due to the shutdown I was talking to a very nice elderly lady who hasn't been getting her food stamps for the past two weeks and was on her way back from the local DSHS offices to work it out, which were also closed due to the shutdown.

Today was way too real for me.

iirc, EBT is a pain to deal with even when offices are open

edit - pic for realismification

(https://i.imgur.com/NAzzpOJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 16 January 2019, 07:44:21

both sides


This is the most frightening attitude of all.

The differences are stark and huge, in every way.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 January 2019, 07:53:50

both sides


This is the most frightening attitude of all.

The differences are stark and huge, in every way.

No they are not..

It does not matter who rules Kings Landing

KINGSHIP relies on the establishment of resource inequity.

The controller ALWAYS exploit the controlled, he's only human.  It doesn't matter who sits on the iron throne.

Whoever, sits in the seat gets fat, while his people starve, suffer, and die.

This is a human story and it repeats because evolution is SLOW..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 10:20:57
Maybe not in every way but they are different in many ways. I think directly towards energy/climate issues, birth control, war on drugs/prison reform - all issues that affect at least millions of people that mark social divisions between the parties. Beyond that, they are different individuals and will approach international relationships differently. Trump's stately plan and actions were to recoup money from bad trade with friend or foe and has made historically little differentiation between the two. A proper level of diplomacy with Russia has been in place since the 90s. Through sanctions, we have reacted, in my opinion, fairly in response to the Kremlin's notorious political assassinations and military intervention in Ukraine, especially Crimea. With Hillary, it was worrisome that her threats to take back Crimea would devolve into the worst relations with Russia since the height of the western resistance to communism. 

This is one of the things that Elrick had pointed out and that I was very hopeful for, is that Trump was naturally less in bed with the military industrial complex and would slow our war machine. We have removed Troops from Syria but at the same time, we've increased our defense spending. This year, the Pentagon is to have its largest adjusted base budget since WWII despite the military being near its smallest since WWII. I'm worried there will be a new National Security "threat" soon. Did you laugh at the "Space Force," in the same way you laughed when you heard he was running?


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 January 2019, 12:53:26
Maybe not in every way but they are different in many ways. I think directly towards energy/climate issues, birth control, war on drugs/prison reform - all issues that affect at least millions of people that mark social divisions between the parties. Beyond that, they are different individuals and will approach international relationships differently. Trump's stately plan and actions were to recoup money from bad trade with friend or foe and has made historically little differentiation between the two. A proper level of diplomacy with Russia has been in place since the 90s. Through sanctions, we have reacted, in my opinion, fairly in response to the Kremlin's notorious political assassinations and military intervention in Ukraine, especially Crimea. With Hillary, it was worrisome that her threats to take back Crimea would devolve into the worst relations with Russia since the height of the western resistance to communism. 

This is one of the things that Elrick had pointed out and that I was very hopeful for, is that Trump was naturally less in bed with the military industrial complex and would slow our war machine. We have removed Troops from Syria but at the same time, we've increased our defense spending. This year, the Pentagon is to have its largest adjusted base budget since WWII despite the military being near its smallest since WWII. I'm worried there will be a new National Security "threat" soon. Did you laugh at the "Space Force," in the same way you laughed when you heard he was running?



The War Machine is Everything.

There is no such thing as a Peace machine..

TRUE Peace exists only when Everyone's War Machine is at nearly equivalent power to ensure mutual destruction.. 


This is the way of all lifeforms at this stage of evolution.


There is a fundamental lapse when people try to categorize what the War Machine is..  the primary cause of silly pacifist theories.


Is a communication satellite a (war machine).
Is a new gene editing technique a (war machine).
Is a new super computer a (war machine).
Is a maglev train a (war machine).


In the public space, no.  But everything you learn from making these things is either FROM or could be TURNED INTO a weapon.


The War Machine is Omnipresent, and its advancement is what upholds all modern sovereignty.  What we choose to name our inventions is irrelevant next to their wide-utility.


Why was there no peace for Crimea, Because they didn't build their darn war machine.


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Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 16 January 2019, 13:38:10
The time is right... Akira, where are you?! Save us!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 16 January 2019, 15:57:36
There's been some talk of Taiwan and China going at it. I hope that doesn't happen.

It would be great to see Taiwan truly independent, but without support China would destroy them. And who wants to go to war with China right now?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 January 2019, 16:13:14
There's been some talk of Taiwan and China going at it. I hope that doesn't happen.

It would be great to see Taiwan truly independent, but without support China would destroy them. And who wants to go to war with China right now?


Taiwan returning to China is most likely inevitable.

Overall, Tp4 am rootn' for Taiwan,  but it just doesn't seem very likely they'll succeed in the long term.

Look at it this way,  Why did Putin just plow through Crimea, even though it was clearly ILLEGAL, and Everyone said don't do it, and all them sanctions..

BECAUSE,  Putin CAN,  and Most importantly because there's NOTHING in Crimea thoroughly destroyed, which will impact Russia's economy.


Taiwan, However is very different, ATM it has TSMC, they are a major semiconductor supplier of all the gadgets that come out of China. 

There is no easy replacement source if TSMC is destroyed..  Taiwan doesn't need weapons or any support,   AS LONG AS they can keep the technological lead in Semiconductor,  China will not make a move..


However, China continues to rev up its own semicon industry.

IF China reaches parity in terms of tech vs TSMC, (which is well possible within 20yrs time),   

There is a high probability that the Successor of XJP will Roll Taiwan just like how Putin rolled Crimea.


Nothing can defend against this, the Taiwan population is too small to fight a war, and they're too far from the nearest (Support). Just like Crimea, everyone will shake their heads,  but not lift one finger to help..


And as far as international sanctions/support go,  everyone agrees Putin did wrong on paper, but I don't see anyone sending help to Crimea,  WHY ? because again, Crimea has NOTHING anyone else wants.

Then there is TSMC, let's say TSMC gets blown up.  What would be anyone's motivation for helping Taiwan,  Are they after Taiwan's discounted salted fish ?

Taiwan's only survival chance, is to maintain semicon lead..  IDK how they're going to do it,  but that's the only way to continue their semblance of independence.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 16 January 2019, 16:18:16
There's been some talk of Taiwan and China going at it. I hope that doesn't happen.

It would be great to see Taiwan truly independent, but without support China would destroy them. And who wants to go to war with China right now?


Taiwan returning to China is most likely inevitable.

Overall, Tp4 am rootn' for Taiwan,  but it just doesn't seem very likely they'll succeed in the long term.

Look at it this way,  Why did Putin just plow through Crimea, even though it was clearly ILLEGAL, and Everyone said don't do it, and all them sanctions..

BECAUSE,  Putin CAN,  and Most importantly because there's NOTHING in Crimea thoroughly destroyed, which will impact Russia's economy.


Taiwan, ATM has something called TSMC, they are a major semiconductor supplier of all the gadgets that come out of China. 

There is no easy replacement source if TSMC is destroyed..  Taiwan doesn't need weapons or any support,   AS LONG AS they can keep the technological lead in Semiconductor,  China will NEVER make a move..


However, China continues to rev up its own semicon industry.

IF China reaches parity in terms of tech vs TSMC, (which is well possible within 20yrs time),   

There is a high probability that the Successor of XJP will Roll Taiwan just like how Putin rolled Crimea.


Nothing can defend against this, the Taiwan population is too small to fight a war, and they're too far from the nearest (Support).

And as far as international sanctions/support go,  everyone agrees Putin did wrong on paper, but I don't see anyone sending help to Crimea,  WHY ? because again, Crimea has NOTHING anyone else wants.

Taiwan's only survival chance, is to maintain semicon lead..  IDK how they're going to do it,  but that's the only way to continue their semblance of independence.




It wouldn't make sense for China to destroy one of their major sources of spice. China is going to need that tech when their cotton takes over the moon.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 January 2019, 16:25:07

It wouldn't make sense for China to destroy one of their major sources of spice. China is going to need that tech when their cotton takes over the moon.

Taiwan has 1 path,  Everyone study the hell out of quantum physics..  No more semiconductor lead, no more Taiwan.


I have read other conspiracy theories that Taiwan has already been taken over by soft power and their semicon products are used By China to spy on other nations.

--  This is plausible, because fundamentally, Taiwan KNOWS nothing can be done to save them by anyone else given their proximity to China if it came to war,  So they might as well put on the mask, and use that disdain to put in some espionage labor for China..

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:25:40
There's been some talk of Taiwan and China going at it. I hope that doesn't happen.

It would be great to see Taiwan truly independent, but without support China would destroy them. And who wants to go to war with China right now?


Taiwan returning to China is most likely inevitable.

Overall, Tp4 am rootn' for Taiwan,  but it just doesn't seem very likely they'll succeed in the long term.

Look at it this way,  Why did Putin just plow through Crimea, even though it was clearly ILLEGAL, and Everyone said don't do it, and all them sanctions..

BECAUSE,  Putin CAN,  and Most importantly because there's NOTHING in Crimea thoroughly destroyed, which will impact Russia's economy.


Taiwan, ATM has something called TSMC, they are a major semiconductor supplier of all the gadgets that come out of China. 

There is no easy replacement source if TSMC is destroyed..  Taiwan doesn't need weapons or any support,   AS LONG AS they can keep the technological lead in Semiconductor,  China will NEVER make a move..


However, China continues to rev up its own semicon industry.

IF China reaches parity in terms of tech vs TSMC, (which is well possible within 20yrs time),   

There is a high probability that the Successor of XJP will Roll Taiwan just like how Putin rolled Crimea.


Nothing can defend against this, the Taiwan population is too small to fight a war, and they're too far from the nearest (Support).

And as far as international sanctions/support go,  everyone agrees Putin did wrong on paper, but I don't see anyone sending help to Crimea,  WHY ? because again, Crimea has NOTHING anyone else wants.

Taiwan's only survival chance, is to maintain semicon lead..  IDK how they're going to do it,  but that's the only way to continue their semblance of independence.




It wouldn't make sense for China to destroy one of their major sources of spice. China is going to need that tech when their cotton takes over the moon.

[attachimg=1]



Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:38:23
There's been some talk of Taiwan and China going at it. I hope that doesn't happen.

It would be great to see Taiwan truly independent, but without support China would destroy them. And who wants to go to war with China right now?


Taiwan returning to China is most likely inevitable.

Overall, Tp4 am rootn' for Taiwan,  but it just doesn't seem very likely they'll succeed in the long term.

Look at it this way,  Why did Putin just plow through Crimea, even though it was clearly ILLEGAL, and Everyone said don't do it, and all them sanctions..

BECAUSE,  Putin CAN,  and Most importantly because there's NOTHING in Crimea thoroughly destroyed, which will impact Russia's economy.


Taiwan, ATM has something called TSMC, they are a major semiconductor supplier of all the gadgets that come out of China. 

There is no easy replacement source if TSMC is destroyed..  Taiwan doesn't need weapons or any support,   AS LONG AS they can keep the technological lead in Semiconductor,  China will NEVER make a move..


However, China continues to rev up its own semicon industry.

IF China reaches parity in terms of tech vs TSMC, (which is well possible within 20yrs time),   

There is a high probability that the Successor of XJP will Roll Taiwan just like how Putin rolled Crimea.


Nothing can defend against this, the Taiwan population is too small to fight a war, and they're too far from the nearest (Support).

And as far as international sanctions/support go,  everyone agrees Putin did wrong on paper, but I don't see anyone sending help to Crimea,  WHY ? because again, Crimea has NOTHING anyone else wants.

Taiwan's only survival chance, is to maintain semicon lead..  IDK how they're going to do it,  but that's the only way to continue their semblance of independence.




It wouldn't make sense for China to destroy one of their major sources of spice. China is going to need that tech when their cotton takes over the moon.

(Attachment Link)

Don't forget bout' that Nullentropy tech <3
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 19 January 2019, 08:39:27
Trump is the leader of the Trump Cult, pure and simple.

And, at this point, it encompasses pretty much the entire Republican Party in the US.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 January 2019, 08:45:44
Trump is the leader of the Trump Cult, pure and simple.

And, at this point, it encompasses pretty much the entire Republican Party in the US.





TRUMP, is a distraction..

The nobility is always up to some taboo..  With Trump in front,  no one sees the background..

Get out of the center, use your peripherals, there is so much bad going down, and the only thing the general population sees is Trump's clowning.



That said,  I still believe the Party actuated their intentions expertly, and that Trump is highly intelligent and a great actor.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 19 January 2019, 17:48:41
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Sat, 19 January 2019, 18:36:33

The pocket sand bit kills me frickin' time

edit - *every
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 20 January 2019, 23:45:11
Did Trump think that shutting down the federal government — which includes the FBI — would thwart the investigation of him?

Impeach him already! Current events should be reason enough. What the **** is wrong with you, USA?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 January 2019, 00:25:35
Did Trump think that shutting down the federal government — which includes the FBI — would thwart the investigation of him?

Impeach him already! Current events should be reason enough. What the **** is wrong with you, USA?


What would it accomplish though ?

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 21 January 2019, 05:28:54
Did Trump think that shutting down the federal government — which includes the FBI — would thwart the investigation of him?

Impeach him already! Current events should be reason enough. What the **** is wrong with you, USA?


What would it accomplish though ?


Trump would be trapped in a giant peach.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 January 2019, 06:55:20
Did Trump think that shutting down the federal government — which includes the FBI — would thwart the investigation of him?

Impeach him already! Current events should be reason enough. What the **** is wrong with you, USA?


What would it accomplish though ?


Trump would be trapped in a giant peach.

Save the Grasshopper.. !!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 21 January 2019, 07:54:32



That said,  I still believe the Party actuated their intentions expertly, and that Trump is highly intelligent and a great actor.


Can we stop perpetuating this BS?  Trump is NOT highly intelligent based on pretty much any and all metrics, he is literally a moron who stumbled into the presidency.  People saying this just perpetuates the "4D chess" rhetoric which is insulting to both chess and residents of the 4th dimension.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 21 January 2019, 08:40:52

he is literally a moron who stumbled into the presidency.


He is a 3rd-rate con artist and the beneficiary of a decades-long propaganda campaign to de-educate and misinform the angry and susceptible.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 21 January 2019, 08:49:58



That said,  I still believe the Party actuated their intentions expertly, and that Trump is highly intelligent and a great actor.


Can we stop perpetuating this BS?  Trump is NOT highly intelligent based on pretty much any and all metrics, he is literally a moron who stumbled into the presidency.  People saying this just perpetuates the "4D chess" rhetoric which is insulting to both chess and residents of the 4th dimension.

Non-corporeals definitely deserve a more suitable entity comparison.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Sintpinty on Sun, 17 February 2019, 20:12:00
I can't vote ! I'm 14!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: ander on Sat, 23 February 2019, 04:39:49
I can't vote ! I'm 14!

Ha ha ha

On the surface, you wouldn't think there was anything wrong with electing an attention-craving, pathologically lying, woman-molesting, minority-detesting creep with zero public-service experience, zero people skills, and zero interest in anything but his own accumulation of wealth, power and gold-plated bathroom accessories. This is especially true if you don't give a flying fart about the US, and whether it careens into chaos because it's being lead by a belligerent 12-year-old who thinks he can throw tantrums to get anything he wants. I'm just saying.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 23 February 2019, 07:56:42

This is especially true if you don't give a flying fart about the US,


Precisely why the Russian military has been working so diligently to elect Republicans for many years now.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Sat, 09 March 2019, 17:17:54
Trump is a bit too authoritarian for my liking, but he's pretty OK.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mkkeyboardvigilante on Sat, 09 March 2019, 22:43:10
Too burned out to even keep up with all the many ways this buffoon is wrecking this country every day. I've nicknamed him Chump for that reason. I don't read his Twitter or any of the other insane crap he says anymore. At least we don't have a President Pence.....yet....
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Sat, 09 March 2019, 23:07:47
Eeh, I don't care about his tweets or the stupid Russian conspiracy theory, just glad for the economy improvements and tax cuts.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Sun, 10 March 2019, 10:36:31
Eeh, I don't care about his tweets or the stupid Russian conspiracy theory, just glad for the economy improvements and tax cuts.
YOU ARE WRONG IT'S ALL THE RUSSIANS' FAULT
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Sun, 10 March 2019, 10:36:49
and so is Brexit
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Sun, 10 March 2019, 15:15:58
Can the people who support him at least be honest and just admit that they have no idea what his policies are and that even if they did they would care for them, but that the only reason they back him is because he's against Mexicans? :p

A bit like Brexiteers really don't ACTUALLY give a crap aboutany economical aspects (all of which are negative anyway) but just don't like Eastern Europeans and are willing to take a monetary loss for it? 

I mean come on, if you're going to back a fascist at least have the guts to admit you are in fact a racist and that keeping out immigrants is your number one priority by far. You owe yourself and everybody else that much at least.

Besides, his two main election points - building a wall and throwing Hilary Clinton in jail - didn't exactly, you know, happen :p .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mkkeyboardvigilante on Sun, 10 March 2019, 17:33:02
Can the people who support him at least be honest and just admit that they have no idea what his policies are and that even if they did they would care for them, but that the only reason they back him is because he's against Mexicans? :p

A bit like Brexiteers really don't ACTUALLY give a crap aboutany economical aspects (all of which are negative anyway) but just don't like Eastern Europeans and are willing to take a monetary loss for it? 

I mean come on, if you're going to back a fascist at least have the guts to admit you are in fact a racist and that keeping out immigrants is your number one priority by far. You owe yourself and everybody else that much at least.

Besides, his two main election points - building a wall and throwing Hilary Clinton in jail - didn't exactly, you know, happen :p .

Nope, all for show, just like everything else the con man in chief has ever accomplished in his life. He didn't change one bit from the nonsense he pulled on The Apprentice. Anti-establishment candidate my foot. I also read The Making of Donald Trump, and it goes into this crook's shady past as well. His whole family is corrupt and insane, and goes back well before Fred Trump's time, a scumbag in his own right.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Sun, 10 March 2019, 17:51:40

I mean come on, if you're going to back a fascist at least have the guts to admit you are in fact a racist and that keeping out immigrants is your number one priority by far. You owe yourself and everybody else that much at least.

I don't see how maintaining an already-existing border is racist, nearly every country has customs. Not trying to start a fight but I think there are more important issues than a few fences being put up. Don't really see any actual evidence of him being racist either.

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: chyros on Mon, 11 March 2019, 02:01:01

I mean come on, if you're going to back a fascist at least have the guts to admit you are in fact a racist and that keeping out immigrants is your number one priority by far. You owe yourself and everybody else that much at least.

I don't see how maintaining an already-existing border is racist, nearly every country has customs. Not trying to start a fight but I think there are more important issues than a few fences being put up. Don't really see any actual evidence of him being racist either.
Neither of those are the same as what I said before ;) .
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 11 March 2019, 10:41:33
Eeh, I don't care about his tweets or the stupid Russian conspiracy theory, just glad for the economy improvements and tax cuts.

Just noting that the economy "improvements" are mostly spillover from the previous administration, and the tax cuts have turned out to be mainly filtering to the top earners and corporations.  So far this tax season I've noticed the average middle-class taxpayer is saving about 10%, while those in the higher brackets are saving anywhere from 30% to 45%, depending on their income level and situation.  Corporations are saving literally billions of dollars as well, but instead of passing those savings on as they had stated they'd do, corporate stock buy-backs have increased immensely while wages have stayed mainly stagnant.

So yes, while taxes are pretty much down across the board, the tax savings are disproportionately going to the rich who are just using that to increase their personal wealth.  Surprise, trickle-down fails again!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Mon, 11 March 2019, 12:38:18
Any cuts are good cuts IMO. Not jealous if some happen to get more. We'll likely see more if more government waste is cut.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 11 March 2019, 15:08:46
Any cuts are good cuts IMO. Not jealous if some happen to get more. We'll likely see more if more government waste is cut.

The government needs funding to operate, so no, not all cuts are good cuts.  As critics of the bill stated when it passed, the savings in the bill are disproportionately going to corporations and high-wage earners, meanwhile Trump just proposed a record-high budget of $4.75 trillion for 2020, with yet another increase in military spending (an almost 250% increase from 2001) and yet more cuts to social programs like education and Medicare.  So more funding for the DoD, an entity notorious for government bloat and waste, and cuts to some of the most cost effective areas of the government like Medicare and of course, the IRS.  A basic understanding of budgeting would show that less revenue + more expenses = bad news.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Mon, 11 March 2019, 16:42:28
All in all, I think we should just give him a chance. It's not like there is any good competition at the moment anyway.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 11 March 2019, 17:28:53

yet more cuts to social programs like education and Medicare


Every other developed country in the understands that education and scientific research are the best and most efficient investments that government can make.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 11 March 2019, 18:07:03
All in all, I think we should just give him a chance. It's not like there is any good competition at the moment anyway.

I don't think you USAers have any choice about giving him a chance. Hes already in the hot seat driving that super yacht you call government.


BUCKLE UP BUCKAROOS.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Mon, 11 March 2019, 19:09:45
All in all, I think we should just give him a chance. It's not like there is any good competition at the moment anyway.

I don't think you USAers have any choice about giving him a chance. Hes already in the hot seat driving that super yacht you call government.


BUCKLE UP BUCKAROOS.
Sounds fun!
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 March 2019, 19:30:21
Sigh... y'all still complaining about Trump..

To use a TV analogy.


Let's say you use the worst quality video player, Windows Trump Media Player.

It renders a bad image, lies about the meta-data, and outputs to the TV.

OK..  This is obvioiusly no good.

However, the TV also has its own idea of what THAT image should look like, and it WILL do whatever it wants with the input signal.

And so in the end, however bad or Good the input signal from however bad or Good the Windows Trump Media Player,    The final image is NOTHING like we'd thought it, and is neither guaranteed to be Good OR Bad.


The same is the case if we use Obama Media Player Classic HillaryClinton,  It outputs a much more accurate and Better image, But in the end, the TV (industry at large)  STILL does whatever it wants, and cut taxes for the rich, while stealing from the middle class.



This is the nature of man,  An Incomplete and imperfect processing of signals..  No one is fundamentally Evil, we're just bandwidth and processing starved.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 11 March 2019, 20:38:36
All this talk of a wall because they took our jarbs.. meanwhile: also happening rapidly in the west..

(https://i.imgur.com/17wRti0.gif)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 March 2019, 21:11:02
All this talk of a wall because they took our jarbs.. meanwhile: also happening rapidly in the west..

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/17wRti0.gif)


Robot maintenance jobs


all these bots are hand assembled.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 11 March 2019, 21:35:46
All this talk of a wall because they took our jarbs.. meanwhile: also happening rapidly in the west..

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/17wRti0.gif)


Robot maintenance jobs


all these bots are hand assembled.


For all the people that are fine with reading the maintenance manual(s).  How many decades before the maintenance robots are up for the job?

No one wants to think about it yet the technology keeps advancing..
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: kurplop on Mon, 11 March 2019, 21:38:29
All this talk of a wall because they took our jarbs.. meanwhile: also happening rapidly in the west..

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/17wRti0.gif)


I wonder if it ever occurred to the systems design engineer that if he lined up the conveyor belt with the table he wouldn’t need one or perhaps both of those robots.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 11 March 2019, 21:53:57
All this talk of a wall because they took our jarbs.. meanwhile: also happening rapidly in the west..

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/17wRti0.gif)


I wonder if it ever occurred to the systems design engineer that if he lined up the conveyor belt with the table he wouldn’t need one or perhaps both of those robots.

I guess damaged packages will still be a thing judging by the way both robots are working together to handle the mechandise.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 11 March 2019, 23:02:36
I for one welcome Skynet.


Hey Skynet see i have been supporting you since 2019.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 12 March 2019, 09:20:32
I for one welcome Skynet.


Hey Skynet see i have been supporting you since 2019.

Tp4 haz Skynet membership since 1996
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Tue, 12 March 2019, 10:03:15
Discussing politics anymore is a waste of time, people are so dug into their beliefs on either side that you might as well be in an echo chamber. It's not that you shouldn't challenge your ideas but people are so tied to their opinions that any conflicting idea cuts them personally. And with all social media, this effect is only compounded because you are further conditioned to believe that your (everyone's) narrowly educated viewpoint is somehow important. It's good for finding out what ads to run to you, that's about it.

If the argument that what we're experiencing now is spillover from previous presidents, then that can apply across the board for all achievements, because we all know change takes time. And frankly I don't see the evidence that that is true, only that Obama has cost the taxpayers a **** ton of money as well in different ways. No difference.

I'd rather have a bloated DoD ready to fight, rather than rely on other foreign countries' help, who can't even do their fair share. Thankfully, our role as world police is supposed to lessen. Plus, with the economy doing "better", there are less available recruits and less young people these days are capable of military service anyway due to obesity etc. So if you can't have a "large" fighting force I would imagine there is a belief that you spend the money to have a more "quality" existing one. Obviously there are going to be outliers.

As for the border, I'm all for it. I don't think it's racist one bit. It's circumstance that it's that the people on the other side are Mexican. If there was another white country or whatever filled with crime or cartels there would be a border there too. I don't buy for one second that "seeking" a better life elsewhere is a smart move, what happens when this country goes to ****? We all migrate to Canada, leaving trashed wastelands and failed infrastructure? But then again, I'm a believer in personal responsibility and what must be done, must be done; regardless of the heightened emotions.

I think a better option would be sponsorship programs, so that the people that really believe in that kind of thing can have hands on care of a family or whatever; invite them into their houses and share space with them; provide for them. It's a win for everyone, the burden is on those who opt for it and less if none on others.

I find it interesting though for as many complaints people have about how we're not getting paid enough, want to raise minimum wage etc, can't get a decent job, they want to invite more people in to dilute the workforce and lessen wages even further. Regardless, corporations are going to be corporations. That's the enemy if there is one, but people are too caught up in convenience etc.

TL;DR: Reality is what it is; all the huff-n-puff is unnecessary. We're stuck with what we got unless you want to do something illegal, and if that's the case you're just as disgusting as those you reproach.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 12 March 2019, 10:41:56
Discussing politics anymore is a waste of time, people are so dug into their beliefs on either side that you might as well be in an echo chamber. It's not that you shouldn't challenge your ideas but people are so tied to their opinions that any conflicting idea cuts them personally. And with all social media, this effect is only compounded because you are further conditioned to believe that your (everyone's) narrowly educated viewpoint is somehow important. It's good for finding out what ads to run to you, that's about it.

If the argument that what we're experiencing now is spillover from previous presidents, then that can apply across the board for all achievements, because we all know change takes time. And frankly I don't see the evidence that that is true, only that Obama has cost the taxpayers a **** ton of money as well in different ways. No difference.

I'd rather have a bloated DoD ready to fight, rather than rely on other foreign countries' help, who can't even do their fair share. Thankfully, our role as world police is supposed to lessen. Plus, with the economy doing "better", there are less available recruits and less young people these days are capable of military service anyway due to obesity etc. So if you can't have a "large" fighting force I would imagine there is a belief that you spend the money to have a more "quality" existing one. Obviously there are going to be outliers.

As for the border, I'm all for it. I don't think it's racist one bit. It's circumstance that it's that the people on the other side are Mexican. If there was another white country or whatever filled with crime or cartels there would be a border there too. I don't buy for one second that "seeking" a better life elsewhere is a smart move, what happens when this country goes to ****? We all migrate to Canada, leaving trashed wastelands and failed infrastructure? But then again, I'm a believer in personal responsibility and what must be done, must be done; regardless of the heightened emotions.

I think a better option would be sponsorship programs, so that the people that really believe in that kind of thing can have hands on care of a family or whatever; invite them into their houses and share space with them; provide for them. It's a win for everyone, the burden is on those who opt for it and less if none on others.

I find it interesting though for as many complaints people have about how we're not getting paid enough, want to raise minimum wage etc, can't get a decent job, they want to invite more people in to dilute the workforce and lessen wages even further. Regardless, corporations are going to be corporations. That's the enemy if there is one, but people are too caught up in convenience etc.

TL;DR: Reality is what it is; all the huff-n-puff is unnecessary. We're stuck with what we got unless you want to do something illegal, and if that's the case you're just as disgusting as those you reproach.

The presidency is more like a BRAND of keyboard.

You can have a good brand make a Bad keyboard, just as you can have a bad brand make a Good keyboard.  Talking about brand and belief is not as meaningful as discussing the end product.

___

Understanding the DOD and Money

People misunderstand how money works. It's just a piece of paper that's printed. The primary owners (leaders) of the world Print money to Compel Some-Action that they deem to be a worthwhile pursuit.

It does not matter how Much Money is consumed or spent on something,  what we REALLY expend is HUMAN LIVES. We utilize HUMANS and convert them INTO PRODUCT.   Just as we convert FOOD into -More Humans-.

Now, The DOD is problematic In Full,  because the current most time consuming and costly project, Super-Carriers + Manned Flight Objects, is fundamentally useless in a Real War..  Given the guided missile tech of moderna,  Carriers and Carrier groups are giant targets,  Any of the countries that the United States would consider a threat can easily defeat Carriers at long range, making carriers worthless.  Even small countries that would never consider fighting the USA, like France, sunk Murica-Carriers during war games.

The LAG in decision making relative to Tech-proliferation and advancement on part of the DOD is why the money bugs are angry, It has NOTHING to do with HOW MUCH MONEY,  It has to do with WHAT We're Buying, and Who'd be in charge of that Spending Direction.

The Military has ALL THE MONEY, as the ONLY force which Ensures american-Soverignty, they have the full resource of this entire Nation.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 12 March 2019, 10:59:22
Why deal with all the messy construction?  I'm sure there's enough of the Berlin wall left to whip up something nice for the good ole USA.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: killiah on Tue, 12 March 2019, 12:59:52
i do not like trump
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Tue, 12 March 2019, 15:33:42
Discussing politics anymore is a waste of time, people are so dug into their beliefs on either side that you might as well be in an echo chamber. It's not that you shouldn't challenge your ideas but people are so tied to their opinions that any conflicting idea cuts them personally. And with all social media, this effect is only compounded because you are further conditioned to believe that your (everyone's) narrowly educated viewpoint is somehow important. It's good for finding out what ads to run to you, that's about it.

If the argument that what we're experiencing now is spillover from previous presidents, then that can apply across the board for all achievements, because we all know change takes time. And frankly I don't see the evidence that that is true, only that Obama has cost the taxpayers a **** ton of money as well in different ways. No difference.

I'd rather have a bloated DoD ready to fight, rather than rely on other foreign countries' help, who can't even do their fair share. Thankfully, our role as world police is supposed to lessen. Plus, with the economy doing "better", there are less available recruits and less young people these days are capable of military service anyway due to obesity etc. So if you can't have a "large" fighting force I would imagine there is a belief that you spend the money to have a more "quality" existing one. Obviously there are going to be outliers.

As for the border, I'm all for it. I don't think it's racist one bit. It's circumstance that it's that the people on the other side are Mexican. If there was another white country or whatever filled with crime or cartels there would be a border there too. I don't buy for one second that "seeking" a better life elsewhere is a smart move, what happens when this country goes to ****? We all migrate to Canada, leaving trashed wastelands and failed infrastructure? But then again, I'm a believer in personal responsibility and what must be done, must be done; regardless of the heightened emotions.

I think a better option would be sponsorship programs, so that the people that really believe in that kind of thing can have hands on care of a family or whatever; invite them into their houses and share space with them; provide for them. It's a win for everyone, the burden is on those who opt for it and less if none on others.

I find it interesting though for as many complaints people have about how we're not getting paid enough, want to raise minimum wage etc, can't get a decent job, they want to invite more people in to dilute the workforce and lessen wages even further. Regardless, corporations are going to be corporations. That's the enemy if there is one, but people are too caught up in convenience etc.

TL;DR: Reality is what it is; all the huff-n-puff is unnecessary. We're stuck with what we got unless you want to do something illegal, and if that's the case you're just as disgusting as those you reproach.

The presidency is more like a BRAND of keyboard.

You can have a good brand make a Bad keyboard, just as you can have a bad brand make a Good keyboard.  Talking about brand and belief is not as meaningful as discussing the end product.

___

Understanding the DOD and Money

People misunderstand how money works. It's just a piece of paper that's printed. The primary owners (leaders) of the world Print money to Compel Some-Action that they deem to be a worthwhile pursuit.

It does not matter how Much Money is consumed or spent on something,  what we REALLY expend is HUMAN LIVES. We utilize HUMANS and convert them INTO PRODUCT.   Just as we convert FOOD into -More Humans-.

Now, The DOD is problematic In Full,  because the current most time consuming and costly project, Super-Carriers + Manned Flight Objects, is fundamentally useless in a Real War..  Given the guided missile tech of moderna,  Carriers and Carrier groups are giant targets,  Any of the countries that the United States would consider a threat can easily defeat Carriers at long range, making carriers worthless.  Even small countries that would never consider fighting the USA, like France, sunk Murica-Carriers during war games.

The LAG in decision making relative to Tech-proliferation and advancement on part of the DOD is why the money bugs are angry, It has NOTHING to do with HOW MUCH MONEY,  It has to do with WHAT We're Buying, and Who'd be in charge of that Spending Direction.

The Military has ALL THE MONEY, as the ONLY force which Ensures american-Soverignty, they have the full resource of this entire Nation.




I've read about the war games losses; but I don't think it matters much. They're exercises and the participants know this. You're right in that every country has big guns, missiles whatever that are capable mass destruction from across the world. Everyone has them seems like; reliance on them is definitely up for debate. Idk if you're familiar with how Russia was battling against Ukraine (I believe), but supposedly they were using the Ukranian soldiers phones against them and sending them bogus texts etc. There are other kinds of valid warfare other than brute force.

Yes, you are correct we expend human lives vs money; but those lives need to be fed, housed, etc. It can cost millions of dollars to train the highest tier of troops. At the same time; those dudes can literally fly across the world, cloaked, yank a dude out of their bed, and disappear again into the night. Or better yet; train up an in-country army out of its own citizens to "take back their own country".

Money is Mana, can't cast any spells without Mana.

A million dollar missile can be used once and once only; while a million dollar troop can be used several times over the course of many years for significantly more precise effectiveness.

Real war? That term is ambiguous. There is no such thing as conventional war anymore many would argue; due to the tech you speak of. Much of it is subversive and subliminal, back-door-esque.

This is an interpretation of a chapter from Sun Tzu
"4. Tactical Dispositions
Ts`ao Kung explains the Chinese meaning of the words for the title of this chapter: "marching and countermarching on the part of the two armies with a view to discovering each other's condition." Tu Mu says: "It is through the dispositions of an army that its condition may be discovered. Conceal your dispositions, and your condition will remain secret, which leads to victory,; show your dispositions, and your condition will become patent, which leads to defeat." Wang Hsi remarks that the good general can "secure success by modifying his tactics to meet those of the enemy.'"
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 12 March 2019, 15:55:28

I've read about the war games losses; but I don't think it matters much. They're exercises and the participants know this. You're right in that every country has big guns, missiles whatever that are capable mass destruction from across the world. Everyone has them seems like; reliance on them is definitely up for debate. Idk if you're familiar with how Russia was battling against Ukraine (I believe), but supposedly they were using the Ukranian soldiers phones against them and sending them bogus texts etc. There are other kinds of valid warfare other than brute force.

Yes, you are correct we expend human lives vs money; but those lives need to be fed, housed, etc. It can cost millions of dollars to train the highest tier of troops. At the same time; those dudes can literally fly across the world, cloaked, yank a dude out of their bed, and disappear again into the night. Or better yet; train up an in-country army out of its own citizens to "take back their own country".

Money is Mana, can't cast any spells without Mana.

A million dollar missile can be used once and once only; while a million dollar troop can be used several times over the course of many years for significantly more precise effectiveness.

Real war? That term is ambiguous. There is no such thing as conventional war anymore many would argue; due to the tech you speak of. Much of it is subversive and subliminal, back-door-esque.

This is an interpretation of a chapter from Sun Tzu
"4. Tactical Dispositions
Ts`ao Kung explains the Chinese meaning of the words for the title of this chapter: "marching and countermarching on the part of the two armies with a view to discovering each other's condition." Tu Mu says: "It is through the dispositions of an army that its condition may be discovered. Conceal your dispositions, and your condition will remain secret, which leads to victory,; show your dispositions, and your condition will become patent, which leads to defeat." Wang Hsi remarks that the good general can "secure success by modifying his tactics to meet those of the enemy.'"



Money is not like mana, and we don't use MONEY to train soldiers.

If you subscribe to the Russians,  It's Hammer to natural resources..   The hammer is human beings.. We train soldiers by applying hammer to soil, and we feed soldiers with wheat.

Money in the case of the Leviathan, would be something like Neurotransmitters.  They function as part of the Signaling process which compel action.


On SunTze:

You have to understand that as good as the art of war is,  it was written during a time when a Conventional War CAN BE WON.

It was a myopic period of history, when humans understood themselves as separate entities from the planet and from other living beings (cows, trees).

That mental segregation and compartmentalization forms our core comprehension and behavioral drives..

HOWEVER, all living things are not enemies, there is no true WIN or LOSE. There is no competition relative to the earth organism.

Everything plays its part in balancing the cybernetic homeostatic system that IS Life-on-Earth, from the Whale to the flea, to the Bacteria.



The War Industry is a necessary component of being a life-form within narrow cognitive confines (the world of Man), but that is only because we can not perceive universal interconnections at the Personal level. From that obscurity we dream of enemies and victories against them.

It's your arms vs your legs,  who wins if one kills the other.



 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: mkkeyboardvigilante on Tue, 12 March 2019, 20:53:11
At one point I did give this clown a chance and it's been nothing but a farce since he was elected, and even before to be honest. I still think he did this originally so he could sell more of his books and grow his following. I bet after his presidency is over, he'll retire and come out with more nonsensical, likely ghostwritten books about how he was so great as a president and how much better he is than everyone else.

I feel guilty not even voting for either one of these candidates in 2016, and got sucked into the Jill Stein camp for a while, but I'm not so crazy about her either. Live in a red state, so I didn't think I had much to lose going with a different choice this time, but I know better now.

Been all over the political spectrum over the years, going from more liberal to conservative to my strange libertarian phase to progressive and now at a point where I don't care what I'm called anymore. Tried to make up for it in last year's elections by voting all blue to try to get Stacey Abrams elected here in my state, though that didn't work out. :/
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 13 March 2019, 08:09:57

he'll retire


Not a chance.

He and his children will spend the rest of their lives in court and/or jail, quickly stripped of the shockingly little money that they might still possess today (a fraction of the amount that was inherited from Fred in the 1990s).

Out of office, his usefulness will be nil, and his current billionaire supporters will abandon him in a heartbeat.
 
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Wed, 13 March 2019, 09:36:34

he'll retire



He and his children will spend the rest of their lives in court and/or jail
 
For what exactly?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 13 March 2019, 10:20:50

he'll retire



He and his children will spend the rest of their lives in court and/or jail
 
For what exactly?

R u kiddn' ??
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 13 March 2019, 10:22:42

he'll retire


Not a chance.

He and his children will spend the rest of their lives in court and/or jail, quickly stripped of the shockingly little money that they might still possess today (a fraction of the amount that was inherited from Fred in the 1990s).

Out of office, his usefulness will be nil, and his current billionaire supporters will abandon him in a heartbeat.
 


I don't think they'll go broke or anything of the like.  Even if they do, it won't be public

You have to understand that AMERICA will still protect Trump, at the end of the presidency.

He is afterall a FORMER President.


If he gets his ass sued and money stripped,  that would greatly damage the American Brand.


No one will outright Abandon Trump, They can not,  WE can not.



You guys are always thinking narrow.. There is a GREAT Again America here, Whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Wed, 13 March 2019, 10:26:06

I've read about the war games losses; but I don't think it matters much. They're exercises and the participants know this. You're right in that every country has big guns, missiles whatever that are capable mass destruction from across the world. Everyone has them seems like; reliance on them is definitely up for debate. Idk if you're familiar with how Russia was battling against Ukraine (I believe), but supposedly they were using the Ukranian soldiers phones against them and sending them bogus texts etc. There are other kinds of valid warfare other than brute force.

Yes, you are correct we expend human lives vs money; but those lives need to be fed, housed, etc. It can cost millions of dollars to train the highest tier of troops. At the same time; those dudes can literally fly across the world, cloaked, yank a dude out of their bed, and disappear again into the night. Or better yet; train up an in-country army out of its own citizens to "take back their own country".

Money is Mana, can't cast any spells without Mana.

A million dollar missile can be used once and once only; while a million dollar troop can be used several times over the course of many years for significantly more precise effectiveness.

Real war? That term is ambiguous. There is no such thing as conventional war anymore many would argue; due to the tech you speak of. Much of it is subversive and subliminal, back-door-esque.

This is an interpretation of a chapter from Sun Tzu
"4. Tactical Dispositions
Ts`ao Kung explains the Chinese meaning of the words for the title of this chapter: "marching and countermarching on the part of the two armies with a view to discovering each other's condition." Tu Mu says: "It is through the dispositions of an army that its condition may be discovered. Conceal your dispositions, and your condition will remain secret, which leads to victory,; show your dispositions, and your condition will become patent, which leads to defeat." Wang Hsi remarks that the good general can "secure success by modifying his tactics to meet those of the enemy.'"



Money is not like mana, and we don't use MONEY to train soldiers.

If you subscribe to the Russians,  It's Hammer to natural resources..   The hammer is human beings.. We train soldiers by applying hammer to soil, and we feed soldiers with wheat.

Money in the case of the Leviathan, would be something like Neurotransmitters.  They function as part of the Signaling process which compel action.


On SunTze:

You have to understand that as good as the art of war is,  it was written during a time when a Conventional War CAN BE WON.

It was a myopic period of history, when humans understood themselves as separate entities from the planet and from other living beings (cows, trees).

That mental segregation and compartmentalization forms our core comprehension and behavioral drives..

HOWEVER, all living things are not enemies, there is no true WIN or LOSE. There is no competition relative to the earth organism.

Everything plays its part in balancing the cybernetic homeostatic system that IS Life-on-Earth, from the Whale to the flea, to the Bacteria.



The War Industry is a necessary component of being a life-form within narrow cognitive confines (the world of Man), but that is only because we can not perceive universal interconnections at the Personal level. From that obscurity we dream of enemies and victories against them.

It's your arms vs your legs,  who wins if one kills the other.



 


Militaries still operate on those principles dude. And is required/suggested reading in many units.

Conventional war "can't be won" mostly because humanity is pretty humane it turns out and are unwilling (Thankfully) to commit large scale atrocities lately. Obviously it still happens, but mostly not.

 Just because they don't take it verbatim doesn't mean it doesn't apply/adds something of value.

You're just diluting the mana analogy. It's all the same.

Troops must be fed, housed, etc. People don't do that stuff for free, nor will fight for something without basic survival covered.

The end of your comment is just basic psychedelia talk. Drop enough acid and be one with the universe etc. There is merit to believing we're all one; and the structure and importance of ecology is factual. However, life adapts and isn't inherently important unless one narrowly believes that our current state is the only viable state.

I disagree with your analogy about arms and legs. It's like competing plates of mold. Limited resources, the more sturdy and pervasive the specimen the more successful it will be over its peers. There will be cross pollination of genes/culture, but ultimately there will still be a root/overarching culture that succeeds.

 I fundamentally disagree that we can all be one etc; dogmas get in the way and make enemies, and if you're the only one wanting peace then you're vulnerable and *will* be taken advantage of/submitted.

One doesn't necessarily have to choose to be enemies; it only takes "The Other" seeing one as a threat.

The compartmentalization is what keeps a particular culture surviving. Otherwise we'd be razed every few years by whatever new power shows up.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 13 March 2019, 10:57:12


Militaries still operate on those principles dude. And is required/suggested reading in many units.

Conventional war "can't be won" mostly because humanity is pretty humane it turns out and are unwilling (Thankfully) to commit large scale atrocities lately. Obviously it still happens, but mostly not.

 Just because they don't take it verbatim doesn't mean it doesn't apply/adds something of value.

You're just diluting the mana analogy. It's all the same.

Troops must be fed, housed, etc. People don't do that stuff for free, nor will fight for something without basic survival covered.

The end of your comment is just basic psychedelia talk. Drop enough acid and be one with the universe etc. There is merit to believing we're all one; and the structure and importance of ecology is factual. However, life adapts and isn't inherently important unless one narrowly believes that our current state is the only viable state.

I disagree with your analogy about arms and legs. It's like competing plates of mold. Limited resources, the more sturdy and pervasive the specimen the more successful it will be over its peers. There will be cross pollination of genes/culture, but ultimately there will still be a root/overarching culture that succeeds.

 I fundamentally disagree that we can all be one etc; dogmas get in the way and make enemies, and if you're the only one wanting peace then you're vulnerable and *will* be taken advantage of/submitted.

One doesn't necessarily have to choose to be enemies; it only takes "The Other" seeing one as a threat.

The compartmentalization is what keeps a particular culture surviving. Otherwise we'd be razed every few years by whatever new power shows up.



9999hp,  You are not at an awareness/ intellectual level to have an opinion, just as I (Tp4) am not.


I am only paraphrasing TO YOU, the core ideas behind the work of James Lovelock and its implications on General-game theory.

Human organization which includes the military  ARE born from more myopic times, and while on the surface they seem adversarial,  Significant change has already occurred.

The greater Earth Organism concepts have not reached the lower socio economic classes where you and I reside.

The reason a conventional war can not be won, is precisely because we're all truly 1 body.


You have alot more reading to do before having this discussion.


Don't get stuck on 1 perspective.


Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: 9999hp on Wed, 13 March 2019, 14:06:01
lol I can't tell whether this is some new-age schtick or not. Or are you suggesting the billionaire's have obtained the secret to the universe through all their opaque rituals? Sounds intriguing.

If you want to spout all this one-world globalism/hippy one-source stuff; that's fine. That itself is one perspective also. Humans (like me and you) can not operate on that level nor understand it. We just pretend to know stuff, and still have go on with our meager lives practicing the 3 S's (****, shower, shave).

The point of these boards is to discuss this stuff from our subjective experiences; if they are invalidated in the face of objectivism; why are you even bothering posting in the first place. If all is null; I'd rather just read another book than another reply. One might be better practicing what they preach than giving ambiguous and unnecessary advice. Something useful might be suggesting books I can read to understand where you are coming from.

It's too early to call any of this stuff, you're counting eggs before they've hatched.

 At this point we can just agree to disagree otherwise. modus vivendi amirite?

Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: iri on Wed, 13 March 2019, 14:26:14
why do people still talk to tp4

even voting for trump is more reasonable
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 13 March 2019, 16:05:43

he'll retire



He and his children will spend the rest of their lives in court and/or jail
 
For what exactly?

lol
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Fri, 19 April 2019, 10:13:13
Well, Russian conspiracy theory is debunked.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 19 April 2019, 17:41:14
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36560496-the-perfect-weapon (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36560496-the-perfect-weapon)
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 19 April 2019, 18:10:06
Obviously the man is corrupt and has engaged in illegal activities to further his political career along the line, but the current aftermath of the Muller report has had the left looking like they are grasping at any possibility, however thin, to pursue an obstruction charge. The Dems are so latched onto this hunk of meat I think they are losing sight of what is important here, like a drug dog that's been thrown off the trail of the big cocaine bust because a hippy with a joint walked by. I feel like the incompetence and hunger of the Dems is going to cause them to drop the ball.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 19 April 2019, 18:17:53
Where are you guys reading all this "reliable" information ?
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 19 April 2019, 19:26:06
Books.

Big thick books.

Books by award-winning authors and prestigious professors, books with a hundred pages of footnotes and appendices at the back.
Title: Re: Vote for Trump
Post by: Nextium on Tue, 28 May 2019, 09:17:41
Well, Russian conspiracy theory is debunked.
I do not think that everything is so simple. Trump is helping the Putin regime very well, by ignoring this problem, unlike Obama, who wanted to solve it.